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Speaker 1: We're back on Radio row. This is the NFL Scouting

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Speaker 1: Combine twenty twenty three with JJ Stangovitz. I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our pleasure now to be joined by Daniel Jeremiah, NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft Analyst NFL Network. You hear him on the Chargers

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Speaker 1: radio broadcast, which is what I love. Move this Dick's podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's everywhere, Daniel, Thanks for the time today, Man, how

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Speaker 1: are you? It's great to be with you guys. Playing

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Speaker 1: a home game as always. You love that. Yeah, fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes away at thirty minutes away here staying on that

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Speaker 1: though for you. How excited? How I guess satisfied? Are

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Speaker 1: you that the combined stayed in Indian out I am.

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Speaker 1: I've been coming here since oh three, so it's dating myself,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's just tradition. It feels right. It's a

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Speaker 1: perfect setup in terms of the way you can access

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Speaker 1: everything down here so conveniently, and then you know there's

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Speaker 1: the then there's the important stuff with the medicals and

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Speaker 1: all that being so convenient for the players, so it's

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Speaker 1: it's a perfect spot for it. We'll see what the

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Speaker 1: future holds, but I'll take every year we can get

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Speaker 1: here and enjoy it all right, let's get right to it.

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Speaker 1: Last week, you're on record saying the Cole, Hey, they

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Speaker 1: need to move up to number one. That's probably in

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Speaker 1: their best interest. They might have some sleepless nights if

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Speaker 1: they don't do that. Why do you think that's the case?

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Speaker 1: Get off the carousel. You know it's been you know,

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Speaker 1: one veteran after another after another after another, and it's

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Speaker 1: only at some point in time you got to stop

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Speaker 1: a new boat. You know, that to me is what

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Speaker 1: they need to do. So I also look at a

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Speaker 1: two for one special in this for the Colts, and

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Speaker 1: that not only do you go get your quarterback who

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Speaker 1: you feel is the best quarterback in the draft for yourself,

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Speaker 1: you keep them from another team inside your division. So

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Speaker 1: how dangerous is it for the Colts to potentially stay

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Speaker 1: at number four? Then, because I'm looking at your top fifty,

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Speaker 1: you have Bryce Young at number three and then the

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Speaker 1: next quarterback is CJ. Stroud at number eight. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that gap between those two guys? Like if you

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Speaker 1: if you have Bryce Young at three and you're you're

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Speaker 1: drafting and you have then other two guys at eight

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Speaker 1: and nine, Stroud and Levis, Do you need to go

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Speaker 1: up to three to get that guy and not settle

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Speaker 1: for one of those other two guys. I just think

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Speaker 1: there's the nuclear option where all three of them go.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not far yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel good about that, you know.

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Speaker 1: To me, I think and you see there's a little

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just feel like you've got a

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Speaker 1: team that's got a lot of ability. When are you

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Speaker 1: going to be up here again? You're all the way

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Speaker 1: up here right now. This is the time, This is

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Speaker 1: the moment, this is where you need to whoever it is,

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Speaker 1: and to me, it maybe it maybe it's Stroud. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they look at it and say, we feel like with

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Speaker 1: what we want to do that Shane feels like this

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Speaker 1: is the right guy. I have no problem with that.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's not a huge difference between where I

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Speaker 1: have him with with three and eight. If you think

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Speaker 1: that strouds your guy, then go get him. But don't

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Speaker 1: don't leave this to fate and sit and wish and hope.

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Speaker 1: That's not a great strategy, so you don't leave it

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Speaker 1: to fate. You go up to number one. What's the

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Speaker 1: price tag looking like. Well, I've talked about it the

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Speaker 1: other day in terms of what it looks like. I

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Speaker 1: the trade chartist basically for a quarterback. So you got

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Speaker 1: doubt about that. That's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Draft Analysts, NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: And you talked about Bryce Young and he's gonna clock

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Speaker 1: in later this week, Right, He's gonna be checked medically,

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Speaker 1: I don't see the height being a huge issue. There's

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Speaker 1: a couple there's a couple plays on tape. You go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he could see as well there,

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Speaker 1: But the rest of its pristine, I mean, your accuracy, poise, touch,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather take the risk with Bryce and his health.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it that big of a risk though?

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Speaker 1: his two top traits. Yeah, And I would I would

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Speaker 1: accuracy suffered. So to me, it's that reset accuracy. That's

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Speaker 1: NFL Network staying on c J. Stroud. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: and move around pretty well. You have Anthony Richardson going

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Speaker 1: let him digest and learn the offense, let him hone

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Speaker 1: in on some fundamentals. I would incorporate the Pat Mahomes

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Speaker 1: always say, but Jared Goff. You know, we almost made

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, right, I say, yeah, you know that

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Speaker 1: he's going to make it a lot of money. Right,

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Speaker 1: he already makes it a lot of money. And it's

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Speaker 1: you have to be in the There's no such thing

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Speaker 1: the young guy who not only has a higher ceiling,

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Speaker 1: he cost me peanuts for five years. So I get

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson plus the three or four other players I

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Speaker 1: the element that people forget. Yeah, I was staying on Richardson.

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Speaker 1: You said last week that you've spoken to a lot

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Speaker 1: you know, will leave us. Hey, let's go your turnovers

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Speaker 1: a fifteen minute interview. Yeah, how much? How much stacking

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Speaker 1: what we saw at the combine. You know, you might

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Speaker 1: go over the Pro day. Who was at the Pro day?

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Speaker 1: Tell us what happened at the Pro day? Bing, bing, bing,

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Speaker 1: and then and then off you go. There you go.

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Speaker 1: He's a busy man. That's Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: Moving the Chains podcast, the Chargers. He's a busy man

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Speaker 1: here all week long at the NFL Combine. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time, Daniel. Thank you right to visit with

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Speaker 1: you guys. Thanks Daniel, right, take care