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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I've been O'Brien and today I am in the Lost Wages, Nevada.

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Speaker 1: Uh here at the Shot Show and I'm hanging out

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Speaker 1: with Ryan Callahan and the Mediator crew as always, and

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Speaker 1: UH my friend, a longtime friend, Ian Harrison, who is

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Speaker 1: currently the editor in chief of Recoil Magazine, which is

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Speaker 1: a one of the better gun magazines out in the world.

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Speaker 1: It's on news stands and you're able to subscribe to

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Speaker 1: it as well. I believe it'll they'll mail it to you. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a great conversation. Ian has uh an incredible background

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Speaker 1: when it comes to firearms ownership. His perspective is a

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Speaker 1: unique one, and you'll find out why. In this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We delved into, uh, some of the more political discussions

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Speaker 1: we've had in the past. That can be I will

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Speaker 1: warn you they can be. They can fire folks up.

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Speaker 1: Everyone will have their opinions about our discussion, but I

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Speaker 1: think what, as always we tried to do is to

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Speaker 1: examine these things. Don't be afraid to wait into tough

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Speaker 1: issues and examine them with pragmatism and a careful nature.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully you'll agree with that as you listen to

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Speaker 1: episode number seven with Ian Harrison. Hi, Ian, Hello, Ben,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm finding down here? I mean, how

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Speaker 1: how better could I be? I mean, I'm hooked up

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Speaker 1: to an IVY I know me too. And m Callahan's here, Hey,

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Speaker 1: cal Hello, how are you? I mean, what do you

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Speaker 1: what do you call it? A non combatant here, combatant

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Speaker 1: kind of on his nut, hooked up to an IVY observer.

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Speaker 1: And when you know we're in Vegas, this is what

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Speaker 1: day three four? Yeahs day three in Vegas. Um, this

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Speaker 1: is responsible. It's prophylactic. Yeah. I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: word means, but I'll go I agree. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're in Vegas, it's a lot of long nights

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Speaker 1: and and the shot show is the sickness that has

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Speaker 1: passed around via handshakes and hugs and general mouth breathing,

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of that going on. Um, while

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Speaker 1: we're doing is fighting back and we're taking the battle

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Speaker 1: to the enemy. Yeah, right now, it's being as aggressive

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Speaker 1: as we can. It's definitely prophylactic. That's what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Your lovely co editor at Recoil, Your lovely editor, Candice

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Speaker 1: was also a registered nurse. She is delightful and delightful

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Speaker 1: for sure. Um, so she hooked us up. And so

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Speaker 1: now we're going to use our IVY bags as a

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Speaker 1: timer when the bags are empty. The podcast coming to

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Speaker 1: a close. I would like also to have a big

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Speaker 1: shout out to Phoenix Fly Department, who supplied all of

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Speaker 1: the So, Phoenix a hefty You're great, You're great, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Without you, Without you, we would be pale faced stumbling, Yes,

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Speaker 1: pale face stumbling, hungover and dehydrated. And we've got B

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Speaker 1: twelve involved. Yeah, sucker vegans, Yes, the sucking vegans. You're

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Speaker 1: the editor of Carnivore. We work for meat Eater, So

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Speaker 1: sucond vegans I think is implied, but we'll go right

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Speaker 1: at him now, cal Why did you not want to

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Speaker 1: get hooked up to an ivy? Oh you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going with the old fashioned way of having a

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Speaker 1: tall canny beer here. That's right right, water, And yeah, ironically,

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Speaker 1: does that counteract the does that in any way counteract

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Speaker 1: the IVY experience to be drinking during this? Oh? Wow? Okay,

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Speaker 1: would you mind's going fast. This mine's going too fast.

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Speaker 1: Cannus is slowing down my ivy because it's going too fast.

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Speaker 1: a story then, and then we just kept to Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we gotta slow these babies down because we got like,

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Speaker 1: we gotta go an hour or two here. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the position, Yeah, Ian's position is all messed up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming off. Well, this is great. I'm happy we're

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Speaker 1: doing this. Sure it's entertaining for the listeners. Cale, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: were you will you at least take a shot of

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Speaker 1: Have that worked for me last year? Do you see? Okay? Alright, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean in my eye and you're taking shot? Are

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Speaker 1: gluten free b twelves. Yes, well, we were talking before

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Speaker 1: the podcast that where Ian and I met, and I

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Speaker 1: um Ian was like maybe the first person that I

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Speaker 1: where I worked at the time. Huh. If I'd known that,

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Speaker 1: called Top Shot indeed, and uh tell us about that show.

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Speaker 1: Ian so reality based competition format shooting show, which doesn't

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Speaker 1: qualified And what year. What year was this that you won? This?

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Speaker 1: Believing then this is nine years ago, nine years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to do reruns. But it was five seasons and you

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Speaker 1: American Rifleman, and we're looking for mainstream you know, acceptance

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Speaker 1: not result in a criminal conviction. You're right. I was

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Speaker 1: So there were various other ones like I think Sons

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Speaker 1: Sons Guns, the elevid show from Discovery Channel perhaps not

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Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, there was another show after that. We're

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Speaker 1: a similar thing. What was it? We don't even need

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Speaker 1: What's the state of the industry right now? We don't, uh,

425
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: well they well, you see, excited about Recoil. We've since

426
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: grown Recoil from one brand, one one publication, which was

427
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: a quarterly when I took it over, and now six

428
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 1: times a year, so bi annual, so bi monthly, bi monthly,

429
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: um slapping around the here somebody. And then we've added

430
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: titles which are been a natural extension from from our brand.

431
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: So we then stood up a sort of prepper light

432
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: magazine which focuses on guys who are not so much

433
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: have their forty acres and a mule out in the

434
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: back country and they're drying their own feces for fuel,

435
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: because you know those guys who already have a had

436
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: stuff tapped down, you know, they already know what they're

437
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: talking about. But for people who are maybe in an

438
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: urban area and want to get prepared for the next

439
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: natural disaster, be at the fires in California or a

440
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: hurricane or whatever. So that was the next publication that

441
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: we stood up and that's been that's been accessful and

442
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: well received. And then after that we created a publication

443
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: to cater to people who carry concealed weapons on a

444
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: daily basis, and one of those is me. And after

445
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: that the one that we're most particularly excited about the

446
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: moment myself and Nurse Candae over in the corner there,

447
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: and that is Carnival. And we kind of have the

448
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: same philosophy I think with meat Eata and carnivore. Hey,

449
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of crossover in the in the theme

450
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: theme of the titles as well. In that ah for example,

451
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: And you contributed to the first issue as I did that.

452
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: Then we are all about hunting, but hunting is an experience,

453
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: and hunting as not so much pursuing antlers, but definitely

454
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: pursuing time of field with friends and family, and putting

455
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: high quality protein on the table. And I do have

456
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: to say, I don't know if you have it published

457
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: somewhere where people can access it right now. With that,

458
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: your first issue, first letter from the editor, is just

459
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty. Like the messaging in there is

460
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: is something people need to that's something people need to

461
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: read before they Yeah, sometimes you need to speak bluntly

462
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: about you know, about where we are and what we're

463
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: doing and why we're doing it. Yeah. Good, thanks, that's good. Yeah,

464
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think as well, because if we do that,

465
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: if we take that approach and we address it as

466
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: you know, this is the way that all of our

467
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: ancestors have managed to put meat on the table. And

468
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: and as Steve when Now has said, and I use

469
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: this quote all the time, not hunting is a particularly

470
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: recent phenomenon. And as everybody befull that pre industrial ever,

471
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't hunt, then you were a widow.

472
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: Well that's the numbers are there's a hundred and every

473
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: time I say anything sounds wrong, but it's right. A

474
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: hundred thousand generations of people lived on the hunter gatherer

475
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Speaker 1: diet prior to the industry revolution, like prior to the

476
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Speaker 1: availability of industrialized foods, and then I think it's one

477
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: or two generations in the industrial ages. And then you've

478
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: got to processed foods, and there's like a generation a

479
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: half two generations of people that have lived I think

480
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: it's three now, um, that have lived in you know,

481
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: the processed food environment. And how quickly we've forgotten, how

482
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: quickly we've lost the knowledge of that exact fact. And

483
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: that then that came from one of the doctors who

484
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 1: founded the Paleo diet. This is a guy saying like,

485
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: this is in your genes. You are experimenting in a

486
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: way that yeah, yeah, we've now normalized eating cheetos, And

487
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: whereas mabously like your head, yeah, I know we've normalized that,

488
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: we've normalized cheetos. But yeah, I mean I think that's

489
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: it's just that's the truth. You know. I feel like

490
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, because we care about

491
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: this thing so much and we want people to understand

492
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: what it is, we we sound like a broken record,

493
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: like listen, this is this is this is us. Like

494
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: research your humanity and you will find there's no doubt

495
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: about it. You will find that's someone in your past, uh,

496
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: killed an animal, native you know a good friend of mine, well,

497
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Greg Dean, he used to buy by way of dating

498
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Speaker 1: a gal. He spent a lot of time volunteering at

499
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: a food shelter in South Idaho, Southern Idaho, and um,

500
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: he was just shocked at how much food they could

501
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: take in and how little food they could actually distribute

502
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: because people would show up and they unless it is

503
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: in a box in a you know, basically pre prepared way,

504
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: they just don't have any clue that it is even food.

505
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: So there could be a thirty pound bag of beans

506
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: next to a three ounce like add water bag of

507
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: beans and they see one is food and the other

508
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: is ballast a pillow. Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly, I throw

509
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that in the back of the truck during the winter season.

510
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Well just try it, you know, just try one time.

511
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: Like if you you know anybody out there wants to

512
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: try it, have somebody cook all your meals for a year.

513
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: Don't touch the ingredients or the meals. Just take a

514
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: year and don't do any work, any culinary work at

515
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: all for yourself or your family, and see how it

516
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: changes you and your expectations, your perspective, Like what you have,

517
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: what food is, do you changes like, I've never done that,

518
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: but an experiment that I would want to inflict on them.

519
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that do. There's a

520
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: lot of college students that that do you know, There's

521
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people, uh that just that's what they know.

522
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are quote unquote foodies

523
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: that like to go out have other people feed them,

524
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: and that's what food. Being a foodie is. You're like, yeah,

525
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: but you're talking about the flavors. I'm talking about the

526
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: work that's being involved. Yeah, being involved. So it's it's

527
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: in a way scary, but in a way just like

528
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: we're it's not gonna stop, like we're not, you know,

529
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: this conversation ain't gonna put it to a halt. So yeah,

530
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: I think we need to be realistic as to expectations.

531
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: There are only a certain number of people who will

532
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: listen to that message and actually act on it. And

533
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that's fine too, because you know, I'm

534
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: not going to dig the people's lifestyles. And there may

535
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: be good reason for people to do that, lack of time,

536
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: family pressures, that sort of thing. But I think eventually,

537
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: once those prescious change, perhaps that people might be more

538
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: receptive to the to the message and Okay, go and

539
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: kill something. Um take it all the way through from

540
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: slow food man. Man, it's about the slowest food there is. Yeah,

541
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Like, not everybody's gonna be able to

542
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: go out and do that stuff for many, many, many reasons.

543
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: They also need to understand that that is how this works,

544
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: all of it works, and so they better damn well

545
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: be uh cognizant of the fact that if they buy

546
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: it in the grocery store, it does not mean that

547
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: something didn't die. Well. This I've been I've been advocating

548
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: this since like episode two of this program. I believe

549
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: that we should do a deal where you have to

550
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: get a license to buy meat. This means you're gonna

551
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: like it. Okay, this meeting, and this is one by

552
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: the government, right this meat licenses administered by it, but

553
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: some sort of government the government. Yeah, yeah, it could

554
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: be a state. Now that could be like now you

555
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: fucking yeah, I thought I had it. Listen, it's in

556
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: your King's super's card or you have to go, so

557
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: you go to just like you get a driver's license,

558
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: what you have to do is go to the meat.

559
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: You have to go to a factory farm, and you

560
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: have to take a knife and chop the head off

561
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: a chicken, pluck that chicken, and like, you know, hang

562
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: out with Mr Purdue and cut it in in vacuum, seal it,

563
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: and send it off to everyone for everyone to eat.

564
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Once you've done that, they give you a little chicken license.

565
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: And then when you go to the store. When you

566
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: go to the store, they're like, sir, do you have

567
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: your chicken license? And you're like, yes, here, it's a

568
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: little laminated card with a picture of you and a

569
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: dead chicken. You're like, here, I've got a chicken license.

570
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, perfect, You're allowed to buy chicken now.

571
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: And if you'd like to buy a pig, you have

572
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: to go to you have to go wack a pig

573
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: on the head. And if you like to buy a cow,

574
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, beef, you have to have killed a cow.

575
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm a cognizant meat consumer. I'm a cognizant met Because

576
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm now, there's a lot of holes in this Uh

577
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: you just called out one of them. A lot of

578
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: people will say I'm some kind of comedy for one

579
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: more government restriction. I'm not. I'm not. If anybody who's

580
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: unfamiliar with my background. I was a shooter in the UK.

581
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute,

582
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm running the show here. I don't know the reason

583
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: I would say this. The reason I wanted you to

584
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: come on the show is exactly what we're about to

585
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: talk about. And I want to go line by line.

586
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to skip anything. Um because you're, like

587
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: I said, your your story that that we've already covered

588
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: after top shot was interesting, but the real interest comes prior,

589
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: and the real perspective that you can provide comes prior

590
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: to Okay, So you were born in what year? Damn,

591
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it because I'm so freaking incient.

592
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm feeling so incient old you'll die before a little bit.

593
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: What do you first remember about life? You were born

594
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: in what town? I was born in the northeast of England,

595
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, group there, normal normal life, normal happy

596
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: childhood and then uh, one day, my my folks are

597
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: this little with some of my other wellito was stand

598
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: this uh sort of weekend place on a working farm,

599
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: which I think is where I got to introduce to

600
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: the idea of animals. They sort of end up on

601
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: people's plates. It's actually you know, there is there, it

602
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: is walking around and then subsequently, you know, I means, Dick,

603
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: make that connection so we can place on the farm

604
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: and then manage to finagle away into convincing the farmer

605
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to let me shoot at twenty two and that was it.

606
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, this is awesome. This is what I

607
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: want to do for my entire life. Now I want

608
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: to shoot things. And and as a result of that,

609
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, I went through the normal progression of a

610
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: bb gun and then a shotgun, and then then started

611
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: competitive handgun shooting, and then went to school, joined the

612
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: army and became a I was serving British Infantry Office

613
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: three eight years and then uh in seven the British

614
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: government confiscated my handguns as a result of a school shooting.

615
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: They changed the law and said, okay, anybody who's you know,

616
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: you guys, your psychol insics, and even though you didn't

617
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: do anything bad and you didn't do nothing wrong, but

618
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have you know, indulge in some collective punishment.

619
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: Was called the dune blame dun blame yep, don't blame

620
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: mesaca and not too similar to what the school shootings

621
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: that have happened in recent vintage in India, in America, indeeds,

622
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: And so because that happened in an election, Yeah, the

623
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: two political parties were vying to out um to do

624
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: each other in terms of restricting people's liberties and throwing

625
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: the firearms community under the bus as escapegoat for the

626
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: actions of a lunatic. And they decided that, you know,

627
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: collective punishment was in order, so they confiscated mine and

628
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: other people's lawfully held firearms. And as a result of that, Yeah,

629
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: described the day that that you had to you know,

630
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: I gotta jump in here one second, because the only

631
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: time I've heard this story, Ian and I had just

632
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: butchered a black bear and we were we were literally, yeah,

633
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Yeah, I mean getting that meat prepared

634
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: to feed thirteen people, and really that was like our

635
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Speaker 1: only opportunity to just like, you know, through the course

636
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: of good kitchen talk, get to know each other a

637
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: little bit. And um. Yeah. The fascinating part to me

638
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: is it was twenty people. Yeah, so there were only

639
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: that number of pistol shooters in a country of a

640
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: population of what about sixty million at the time, And

641
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: there have been previous restrictions on yeah, yeah, but until

642
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, there was no there were no firearms lows,

643
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: effectively no firearms lows in the UK. You could walk

644
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: into a hard waist and buy a machine gun before then.

645
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: And what happened was because of after the end of

646
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the First World War, in the mismanagement of the vet

647
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: and population returning from that, the Bolshevik Revolution actually started

648
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: getting a toe hold in the UK and so you know,

649
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: casting managed back to what happened then that time in history.

650
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: So you have a large working class purple population which

651
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: had been used as canon foder for four years, and

652
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: they came back to a country that kind of did

653
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: not appreciate what they've done, what they've been through, and

654
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: to straight into the effectively the opening phases of the

655
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Great Depression. And so you know, the Bolshevik message was

656
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: being accepted and had a ready audience at that time.

657
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: So as a result of that, the British government and

658
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: establishment discided that okay, and in the wording of the

659
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: the Cabinet minutes at the time, they wanted to ensure

660
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: that firearms were available to friends of the government, and

661
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: as a result of that, they instituted the first firearms

662
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: restrictions in the United Kingdom. And like I said, prior

663
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: to that, you could walk into a hardware store and

664
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Speaker 1: buy a machine gun. And it's a story that is

665
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: very very rarely told and um, you know, armed crime

666
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: as a result because of that. Well it let me backtrack,

667
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: So that was the first firearms restrictions and that's sort

668
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: of kind of set the scene for every subsequent incremental

669
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: increase in screwing with guys right owned firearms. And we

670
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: went all the way through up to the nineteen sixties

671
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: sixty eight, I believe, restrictions on shotguns and it was

672
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: just sort of just drip drip, drip, drip drip, chipping

673
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: away people's firearms rights. And as a result, now you

674
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: know the there's very very little in the way of

675
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: firearms ownership in the UK. It's regarded as some sort

676
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: of cultural aberration. And at the point at which you

677
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: had to turn in, you had two pistols at that

678
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: virtual Smoke's boarde of handguns most competitive shot pistol shoot Yeah, um,

679
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: but they were like twenty thousand licensed. But yeah, but

680
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: by that's only about twenty people who's amazing own handguns.

681
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean that you could, but you know, licensed to

682
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: own shotguns, licensed to own lone rifles. And so because

683
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: of that, these two political parties they're like people, okay,

684
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: under the bus, you go do the do the math. Yeah,

685
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: we could win the election. These twenty people don't matter,

686
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: they don't matter. There's no blip on anybody's red off.

687
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: And so we was sacrifice and um and they say

688
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: that we're trying to outdo each other. So Tony Blair,

689
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: who is uh yeah, don't get me started on that motherfucker.

690
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: Um No, that's why we're here. We want to get

691
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: you started on that motherfucker. So yeah, so he decided

692
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: the point that the firearms new Laws were created, twenty

693
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: two pistols were were exampt and so he went, that's

694
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: an opening, that's that's a vulnerability to the Tory establishment.

695
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: And so he went, no, we need to band twenty

696
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: two handguns as well. So that was added. That was

697
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: subsequently added. So there was when this Finman's legislation was enacted,

698
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: there was a grace period and they the government said okay,

699
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: well you have to hand them all in. And initially

700
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: it was the low the lowest drafted was there was

701
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: no compensation whatsoever, and it's just like hand over your property.

702
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: And that produced a bit of a backlash in the

703
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: House of Lords, and subsequently the government revisited the legislation

704
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: and said, okay, well we're gonna we're gonna compensate you

705
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: for it at fair market value. So if you just

706
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: destroyed the market for something, what's the fair market valure you,

707
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: so they're worthless, We'll give you five dollars exactly pretty much.

708
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: But you know, you know, shoot as a resourceful people,

709
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: so we found ways to gain the system, gain the system. Um,

710
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: And you had about six months, if I remember rightly too,

711
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: from the passage of the law to the point where

712
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: you were looking at a ten stretch in pound me

713
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: in the asked prison if he didn't hand over your guns,

714
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: it's a weird name for a prison. Her majesty is

715
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: pound me. The yes. And you're you're you're still active military,

716
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: still active military, that you're a competitive shooter. Put this

717
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: set this up for fox. You're a competitive shooter. Um,

718
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: you're active military. But yet and yet the government decided

719
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: that despite the fact when you go to work you

720
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: have all of these instruments of destruction. You're not fit

721
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: worthy or trustworthy enough in order to have a handgun

722
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: in your home because someone else, because somebody else might

723
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: break a law that you are following exactly exactly. And

724
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: then the last m I checked even in the UK,

725
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: you murder is illegal. Yes, there you go. I'll google it,

726
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with yes on

727
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: that one. But yeah, I mean that's that's so you

728
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: experienced that in what year? That was? So? Yeah, at

729
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: the end of this six month grace period, um, the

730
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: very last day, I went down to my local police

731
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: a station wearing uniform and handed over my guns and

732
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: then went back to work and then checked out machine

733
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: guns from the armory and then you know, but yes,

734
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: I went back and did my thing. And and what's

735
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: the feeling, like, I mean, give people a window into

736
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, I could guess angry, Uh what you know,

737
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: what are you feeling when you're turning those guns in?

738
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: And like, what's the conversation, what's the experience in the

739
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: police station. Take people into what that might feel like

740
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: the cop who took possession of them. Kind of he

741
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: was kind of he realized that the absurdity of the situation.

742
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, you know, it's his job. Took my guns

743
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: off me and give me a receipt for them, and

744
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: we shook hands, and then I left for the United States.

745
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: You flew to how but how long? Until it took

746
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: about six months after that, and then just to finalize

747
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: the sort of move but yeah, you'll resign my commission

748
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: um and said, no, funck you guys. If you contrast

749
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: me the guns, then I don't want to be a

750
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: citizen here anymore. So moved to the US, follow the dream, ye.

751
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: And then and as a result, you know, perhaps I'm

752
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: more pro to a more rapidly pro pro to a

753
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: than than the majority of people in the United States.

754
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: But I've experienced it firsthand. And there's a lot of

755
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: people that that are on the left or or would

756
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: like to restrict gun ownership in this country that will

757
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: say and have said to me, and I'm sort of

758
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: said to you, no one wants to take all your guns.

759
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Will never happen, but like, we're not going to take

760
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: all your guns, we just want to take a few

761
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, Well, I've experienced it firsthand. So saying

762
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: that from about night the early part of the twentieth

763
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: century through the end of the you know, not even

764
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: the end of the twentieth century. They say there's no

765
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: finance restrictions and it's just an incremental chip chip chip away.

766
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: And he said, the next everybody wants to just the

767
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: common sense good laws. That's all we want is common

768
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: sense concers. Well, guess what happens. The next stage is

769
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: registration or backdoor registration. And once that happens, it's just like, okay,

770
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: we know what you have handemen. Yeah, yeah, And there's

771
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: examples of that in Australia. There's examples of that in

772
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: England and California and California. So let's just defunct that

773
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: right now. This is this has happened elsewhere, uh, and

774
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: we don't want it to happen to us exactly, Like

775
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: that's that's what we go to work to do, right

776
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's it's sort of the editorial stance that

777
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: we have is um is not one fucking inch. Well,

778
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm not compromising, and you have look at you, and

779
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: I know that, and you have the experience to back

780
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: it up. I mean the experience and now and you

781
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: look at the the UK, now, you look at England,

782
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: now they have, they are looking to I'm not sure

783
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: how much you've read. I'm sure you have. Looking to

784
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: restrict knife ownership. There has always been excuse me, not

785
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: under kind of restricting anything that could possibly be used

786
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: in a self defense scenario. The government wishes to monopolize

787
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: the use of violence. Yeah, and like it or not,

788
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: violence is of active life. Yeah, I mean that's what

789
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: when I wrote. I mean, I wrote this story for

790
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: American riflemen back in two thousand ten. That's what struck me.

791
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Is this like the the dichotomy of oh, canis is

792
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: coming over to check them? Is this not going? I

793
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: got a bigger vein, That's what she was telling me.

794
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: You know what, ye bear in mind, this is hooked

795
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: to our arms, but I still have a bigger place

796
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: squeezing ivy bag. You're gonna have to get play by

797
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: play because I'm feeling a little dizzy. Guys, my body

798
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: has never had There's an interesting parallel, you know, to

799
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: the meat talk that we're having at the beginning here,

800
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: is um you know, there's so much of the conversation

801
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: that's driven by people who have no firsthand experience whatsoever.

802
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: And I've had these conversations I'm like, well, yeah, but

803
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: what do you think of semi automatic weapons? Like well,

804
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: let me let me just tell you what semi automatic

805
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: weapons are, Like what's that? And what do you understand

806
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: by Yeah, I have a friend, very close friend, um

807
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: that says things like guns are made to kill and

808
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: that's the difference between guns and cars. Because I was like, well,

809
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: what was it just between driving a car into a

810
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: crowd and taking a gun out? Is all guns are

811
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: paid to kill? Like It's like, listen, that's the dumbest

812
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. Guns are made to shoot cars.

813
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: Guns are meant to expel a projectile. What you use

814
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: that projecting off is ntially down to the us you know,

815
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: what it hits when it gets to this terminal impact

816
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: is up to the user. Where the car drives, whether

817
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: it's on the road in between the lines the yellow

818
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: and the white one is up to the user. Where

819
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: the bullet impacts is up to the user. And that

820
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: is the fucking difference in that. Let's put that to

821
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: bed and let's let's get that belief off the table.

822
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you're coming to America, Like I said that,

823
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: the economy is they there's a tragic event right, there's

824
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: immense sadness, there's a shock, there's all. And then it

825
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: spends that that goes away. We've seen this in the

826
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: in the States. That goes away. It spends into a

827
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: political fervor based on emotion, most times intirely based on emotion.

828
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: And because you don't have the majority of time, you

829
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: don't have a perpetrator left to hang the blame on,

830
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: because these nut joes sucking off themselves nine times out

831
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: of time. Then okay, so we're looking for we're looking

832
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: for a bad guy. We always look for the bad guy,

833
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: and it's a human niche to do. So, so what

834
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: can we blame? Um, so we blame an inanimate object.

835
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: If you get your your your assistance, and your protein

836
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: from the supermarket and that's all that you have, that's

837
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: all the only exposure that you have to it, then

838
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: then yeah, anything outside of that is looked as as

839
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: other and therefore threatening and therefore something that is icky,

840
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: And why would you do it any other way? Yeah,

841
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: it's right here. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know,

842
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: and buy my meat on styrofoam traders because animals don't

843
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: stuff up because of it. Yeah, Well that's why your

844
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: story is just it doesn't. It didn't need to be

845
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: about guns. It just was about like your pursuit of

846
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: as you put as I would put it, or you

847
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: would put it freedom, like your freedom too to express

848
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: your enjoyment and your love and your passion for firearms

849
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: and in the most productive way for you, the people

850
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: around you and your life. Like yeah, I got dude,

851
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just I just basically I'm not

852
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: going to tell you how to live your life, So

853
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: stick the fucking knows out of mine. You know, I

854
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: don't care. You know, I don't care who you sleep

855
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: with as long as it comes, it comes something, and

856
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: don't um. You know, I have a lot of a

857
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: lot of gay friends, and I say, okay, you want

858
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: to get your fighting for equality in marriage, you knock

859
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: yourselves out, you make the mistake that I did, go

860
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: for it, Jump in that pool. I mean, it's we

861
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: There's there's been some as as everyone listening to this one. No,

862
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: there's been some some talk around, um, the company I

863
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: work for in this podcast and my voice and what

864
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: I think around guns and the Second Amendment. Uh, and

865
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: you know here's what I really think. Wow, man, I

866
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: don't want to I can't say what I really think

867
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: because it would have lots of cursing and yelling at

868
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: a certain individuals. And there's been a little bit of

869
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, fucking yeah, yeah, well yeah, we said about

870
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: were drinking beer in Vegas with ivys with yeah, we

871
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: shouldn't have any rules here, no rules. But I think, um,

872
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: I always try to look at these things with a

873
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: pragmatic eye and be like, what about fire ownership is

874
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: the most important to me? And to me, it's defending

875
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: my family. That's that's to me. But that doesn't have

876
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: to be for everyone. That's just to me what it's about.

877
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: And when someone says, why do you need an air

878
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: fifteen to devent your family? I'm like, well, have you

879
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: ever been a part of a natural disaster like I

880
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: was in Illinois where they wiped it Illinois by living there.

881
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: There was a tornado that came through and wiped out

882
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: an entire town and Bob Honeycutt the when I was

883
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: working at Peters and Hunting, one of my bosses there,

884
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: Bob Honeycutt, who was was the editor of Shotgun News

885
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: which is now Firearms and News. His house was wiped

886
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: off the fucking map. Like just pieces, just rubble, And

887
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: we went over to his house, and there's people coming

888
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: in from uh urban areas like Peoria to loot this

889
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: town Washington, Illinois that had been wiped off the map,

890
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: and the folks who were defending their houses were doing

891
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: so with air fifteen and all manner of firearms. So

892
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: when you're in that position, you want the most perfective

893
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: tool available to you. So it's easy when you've never

894
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: been in that position to say, let me limit the

895
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: tools that are available to you to defend your house,

896
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: your property, in your life, in that situation. And that's

897
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: where I got my you know, my big dose of

898
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: actual perspective when it came to that concept. Yeah, well, um,

899
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: if you don't have anything belt fed uh and I do,

900
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: of course you do, probably mounted to the back of

901
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: a jeep. Then yeah, and the fifteen is the next

902
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: best semiota copying that takes detachable magazines is perhaps to

903
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: your best tool for the joke, And okay, cool, And

904
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm something might be something that only happens

905
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime is a natural disaster, But who

906
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: the hell are you to tell me what I can

907
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: and can't use? Yeah, or where I can and can't

908
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: go hunting. Oh yeah, well private property. Who the hell

909
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: are you tell me pay taxes on this piece of

910
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: last Tell me I can't go in here and take

911
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: the King's dead. There's a I won't say the brand

912
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: under armour. They have a hashtag that says go where

913
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: you don't belong, and it's about their hunting. It's a

914
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: hunting hashtag they have. It says go where you don't belong.

915
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, next time I am bill hunting,

916
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: and then somebody's backyard in Connecticut. Yeah, I'll be like

917
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: wearing what are you warring waring about? Good? Yeah, that's

918
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: why I don't belong here. Well, check Instagrams hashtag. So, yeah,

919
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: you moved to America where and you moved to where

920
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: in America? Moved to the great stay it's the permits

921
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: perhaps the most fireless freedom at the moment um, because

922
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: you know that's what you do. Yeah, I moved to

923
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: New York. You're like out of the frying band. Yeah,

924
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: but to its credit, New York does have some of

925
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: the best deer hunting in the world. But we don't

926
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: tell anybody anybody like that because you know there's there

927
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: is again from US perspective that there is a different story,

928
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: there's a different narrative. You know, I screw those guys

929
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: and restricting all our gun rights, and yes, absolutely screw

930
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: those guys for that. But I've got some good friends

931
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: that's still in New York and there is some great,

932
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: great deal hunting. Um. Everybody thinks that New York, You're

933
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: gonna go hunting in Central Park. Well, no, it's a

934
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: pretty big place and it offers a lot of diverse

935
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: terrain from the you know they you know, I love

936
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: the finger Leggs. That's where I was, and then and

937
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: then the other on XS as well. Um, beautiful country,

938
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: that beautiful country. And I actually went. I went to

939
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: hunting in for the opening day of Yeah, I went

940
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: to the Allegheny State Park. Um this past day season

941
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: in November, and it took somebodies out of Phoenix who

942
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: had never been hunting before and introduced them to hunting

943
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: on public land and perhaps one of the most populous

944
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: states in the nation with the most restrictive gun rights. Okay,

945
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe I'm doing this wrong, but how did they tell

946
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: their friends about that? What did you do this? We go? Why?

947
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: What were the British guy to New York on public

948
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: land with guns, with guns. I mean the reality is though,

949
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: that's that's a more realistic way to do it for

950
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: most people over and it's like, yeah, that's where the

951
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: most people live. Yeah, exactly accessible and and uh it was,

952
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, the typical East Coast opening day experience. So

953
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys walking around in orange vests and

954
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's fairly pad act, you know, the you know,

955
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: there is a lot of dudes in the woods out there,

956
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: and so you have to walk a few miles in

957
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: order to thin the crowds out. And yeah, we got

958
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: into it and we dropped a deer and hold it

959
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: back out butchered it there at the cabin that we

960
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: rendered in this great state park and I'm damn, am

961
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: I just giving away my honey holes and uh we

962
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like no, not really, but you know, I

963
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: gotta I got a little six pointed and um you

964
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: butchered in that evening and we did Venison Tatar and

965
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: then venison strugging off and wash it down with some

966
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: fantastic wines from a buddy of mine who owns the

967
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: best reestling estate in the country. Right now he's a

968
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: great guy, and he is has died in the woold

969
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: liberal Democrat as possible. But you know, he's a great friend.

970
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: And we see I do y on hunting. We may

971
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: not see the cee I do y on politics. And

972
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: we still talked. We respect each other's use. I know

973
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: it's like in this, in this social media age, how

974
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: is it possible to have friends that disagree with you

975
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: on any subject? I thought I knew you. I thought

976
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: I knew you. This is where I distrausted to the

977
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 1: British come from. I'm getting to here you now, keep

978
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: telling your story. I guess, I guess we're good. It's

979
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: a good illustration of how I think. That's a good

980
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: illustration how hunting can transcend boundaries in both politics and

981
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: ideology and food and food and what you get food dudes,

982
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: A bunch of dudes with food, wine, fresh meat, cigars

983
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: around a table who are just busting each of the balls,

984
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: cracking job, Unlchael. Social media finding a reason to disagree

985
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: in that environment, you find a reason to agree and

986
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: have a good time and enjoy life exactly. And anybody

987
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: walked away as from that as just you know, best

988
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: of friends. M that's how it should be. And we

989
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: all part of this great nation, and we will despite

990
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: the fact that we may have different views on certain

991
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: policy issues, we're still and Americans. Yes, we're taking a

992
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: break from the podcast to appreciate this great nation. Mm

993
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: hmmm hmm. Beautiful from sea to shining sea. You know,

994
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: It's It's an odd thing to me though, too, man.

995
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: I it seems like every uh, strong dude with you know,

996
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: positive hit on on their shoulders can look somebody and

997
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: have an actual conversation. Um and uh we need a

998
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: lot more of that right now. So that's that's what

999
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: like what I would preach. The numbers game, the numbers game,

1000
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: and we have better be willing to have a conversation

1001
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: because we're not gonna win this game by breeding. We're

1002
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: not gonna breed ourselves out of it, right, I'm not

1003
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: breeding a bunch of gun owners, you know, so breeder

1004
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: at this point, you're a non breeder. And I'm talking great,

1005
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: and I'm talking and and every day, but there's you

1006
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: get like, hey, man, I've done the research, been listening

1007
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: to you guys for a long time. I think squirrels

1008
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: and rabbits are gonna be the only thing in my

1009
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: area that I can hunt. What should be my first

1010
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: firearm purchase? Not my life? My fifth? There's tenth. What's

1011
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: the very first one? Yeah? That's yeah, just pist a

1012
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: politician off, you'll, But that's so here's where I'm suppressing.

1013
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: Here's where around the midterm elections we came kind of

1014
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: to ahead. And I think it's interesting to get everybody's

1015
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: perspective on this. You have articulated, well where you are right,

1016
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: You're like, you have a very what a lot of

1017
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: people would say is left leaning. Are you peeing and

1018
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: we're having I V I'm I'm gonna pop here bad?

1019
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: What the fuck? We have? Ivy? It's a real quick

1020
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: light beer. That's light beer. That's light beer. How much

1021
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: you have left in the can? Then? Ben? Uh? Not

1022
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: a much? Okay, because I'm I mean, I'm a need

1023
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: to join them in. You need to all right, Well,

1024
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: I can't go on a soapbox with nobody else in

1025
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: the in the room. You wait until Callahan gets back

1026
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: and then and then you go, yeah, yeah, you have

1027
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: to carry your ivy. So right now, according to the

1028
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: we may have to speed the ivy. We've been going

1029
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: for like an hour and thirteen that we're only halfway through.

1030
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean we made bounce our entire afternoon, Canice? Can

1031
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: you can you turn this thing up all my wide open? Fine? No,

1032
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm mad about it. I like say here talking to

1033
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: my friends from a very long time. It's yeah, he's

1034
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: going faster than me. I should have made fun of

1035
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: his vein size Houston next to me and hung like

1036
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: a Chinese fighting man. This water is deep. Anyway, what

1037
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: was I saying that this is so people canna listen

1038
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: to this? Yeah a lot of them do. Really, Yeah,

1039
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: you guys need to this one. This one will be,

1040
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: this will be. I have this predisposition that this is,

1041
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: this has happened recently, you know, and with this this,

1042
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: folks are challenging our belief and you know in guns

1043
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: and such um and people also challenge our belief in

1044
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: hunting and like killing anials. So people are challenging from

1045
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: both sides, which is people are challenging the people are

1046
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: just challenging, challenge and challenging. But I've had this predisposition

1047
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: lately to see like a tough issue, which was what

1048
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: we're talking about, see a tough issue and just sucking

1049
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: run right at it. Sometimes get it wrong, sometimes get

1050
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: it right, but just run right at it and then

1051
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: we can figure it out at some point, hopefully the conversation.

1052
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: Do you get, Yeah, you're getting, you know, solid dudes

1053
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: around drinking off. I think you get by the end

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01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: of the evening, everything squid. This is how stuff is

1055
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: figured out. All right, go pee, you gotta pee? Or

1056
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: you getting hold it? No, no, no, I'm gonna hold

1057
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: it all right. I'm gonna at you for it, but

1058
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: we'll have to. There's only one battery in here. So anyways, listen,

1059
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big bottle. Yeah, and then a huge

1060
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: opening for a guy like you can probably get it

1061
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: all the way. Uh, where where are we at? We're

1062
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: about what will you say, Candice? How far down the ivy?

1063
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: How long do we have left? Do you think? In

1064
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: the podcast? Because I don't want to wait into some

1065
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: other like healthy subject, I'm gonna I'm gonna an interview

1066
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: from somebody who's gonna throw the canamon the pigeons, throw

1067
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: the one on the pigeons, the canama on the pigeons.

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01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: It's it's an English term. He wouldn't understand. Yeah, speak

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: American Ian has and he will think one time. He

1070
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: texted me and I was like, what's up, man? He's like,

1071
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like just hanging out? He's like,

1072
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: I thought you might be in your whanking chariot And

1073
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: I was like, the funk is that? Bro? I think

1074
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: it turned out to be in my bed as Yeah, well,

1075
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: let's let's end the alright, alright, I got this now?

1076
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: Are we done with this heavy topic? Are we good?

1077
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: Like everybody said what they need say, I'm good. Another chapter,

1078
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: another chapter in the chapter. So let's spend this. Give

1079
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: us some British terms, some fucking like we got the

1080
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: whanking chair? Yeah. So other terms for you for your

1081
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: cat among the pigeons, yes, which means I'm assuming means

1082
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: like the predator among the prey exactly, feathers flying. Other

1083
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: terms these are old, you know, prettish squaty terms. Yes.

1084
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: Uh so. Other terms for your your sleeping equipment would

1085
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: be uh, your gonk sack, your gonk zack. And the

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01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: one that I'm most vivid, most enamored of is uh

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: if you're sleeping back is is referred to as the

1088
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: horizontal time accelerator. It's a little wordy for me, but

1089
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: I like it. Cal and I are have a dual

1090
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: gonk sacks over there and we'll be sleeping. I wake

1091
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: up and I look over during the shot show and

1092
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: there's Kyl there. He's gun out in the sack. What else?

1093
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: This is great? I'm sure you've got a lot of

1094
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, speaking with your better half who she's

1095
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: doing a little booth time at one o'clock that we

1096
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: need to make it too, because she's way prettier than

1097
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: she is. Um, she's also more interesting. Brother shows up.

1098
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: She's like, I can't understand a single word. They say, well,

1099
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: yeah we could. We sort of lapsed back into Northern dialect,

1100
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: which in the UK you can't travel more than twenty

1101
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: miles before somebody speaks a different accent to you. And

1102
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: so that's how we hate each other. We we use

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01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: that as a gauge zone. Just see how he says

1104
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: he has a slightly different emphasis on the on the

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01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: letter A, and therefore you must die. It sounds like

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01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: a lovely culture. H Yeah, Well we are the the

1107
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 1: culture that did bring you concentration camps and the bow

1108
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: and football houganism, so Uligans, Hulians football, who is it?

1109
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: Are real? I spent some time in Wales, one time,

1110
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was in Cardiff and we went to

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01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: a football game and people were just like, he didn't

1112
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: go to rugby match? Ugby rugby? Man? It was a

1113
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: football game for sure, and we didn't football. I don't

1114
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: come now was football? So football is unball and rugby

1115
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: is like like American football but for men do you

1116
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: guys wear pads? And then you call it rugby football? Yeah?

1117
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: And then football? What else you got? What? We just

1118
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: got a ton of confusing stuff. And it's just, you know,

1119
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: we have our own culture and dialect all over the

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01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: country and which served only to confuse the foot people. Yeah,

1121
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: like from the air cand from the northeast where I'm from,

1122
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot of our dialect to come from the Ore important.

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01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, the British Empire was you know, worldwide, so

1124
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: not all the people know that pajamas came from India.

1125
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, and you saying minic of the woods. Then

1126
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: if you say, if you tell somebody I'm gan Yam,

1127
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: then you're going home say that again, I'm gan Yam.

1128
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: Spell it. I'm not too sure I can. When we

1129
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: were in bear Camp, Ian's dish was um curry big

1130
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: big curry sorts panda, yeah, ye, pasanda. And culture is

1131
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 1: the national and there's the national dish in England. Really

1132
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 1: that's what I killed me. It's like, well, I'm from

1133
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: the UK, so I'm making my national dish, Like I

1134
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 1: thought that was he just fried fried fish and fried

1135
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: potatoes and then called it fish and chips. He has that,

1136
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: and then there's you know the rest of it where

1137
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: which basically consists of bald gray mush and you know,

1138
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: people have looked at is this lamb or is this

1139
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: is this? Uh check in you know, going back to

1140
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: the UK, Did you go back there? I go there

1141
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: every year or so, and for the longest time after

1142
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: I moved over here, I was saying, Okay, I know

1143
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the UK. If anybody wants for

1144
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: my family to visit them, they have to visit me

1145
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: in the US because I'm not giving any of my

1146
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: money to the British government because those guys. And then,

1147
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of mellowed a little bit. And

1148
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: actually this last year I went hunting in the UK

1149
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: for the first time, at like thirty five minutes from

1150
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: the center of London. And it's possible, it is possible.

1151
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: What did you go hunting for fellow fellow. Yeah, was

1152
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: there like, was there a road deer and things around?

1153
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: Munjack muncha really yeah, Muna is fang deer, fanged deer,

1154
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: possibly the smallest deer I've ever shot with the two seventy,

1155
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: which kind of probably didn't get any meat off the

1156
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: front shoulders. Was blade round start looking very good? Ortunally

1157
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: I did thread the need life shut it right in

1158
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: the center of the chest. So um the bullet probably

1159
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: expanded just inside the rib cage. But tender logs will

1160
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: go on. Whoa. But there after hunting cou'se deer, all

1161
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: of a sudden have so I gotta hunt seek a

1162
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: deer and then Cou's deer within four months of each other.

1163
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 1: And I'm now very fascinated by small deer, the dominative

1164
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: deer hunter, the dominiative hunter. Ryan Callahan. Yeah, loads for

1165
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: my twenty two long rifle. I was gonna suggest perhaps

1166
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: at one seven seven rifle. Oh yeah, yeah. The whole

1167
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: New World charge it up hunting. So there was six

1168
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: There were six d species in the UK, and I

1169
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: shot three of the four of them so far. But

1170
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: this this, let's see, let's see what we can guess Okay,

1171
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: can we guess the six deer species that are in

1172
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: what tail deer, mule deer, none of the above, None

1173
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: of those. I'm gonna go with road deer being yep,

1174
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: follow deer discussed, monk chack yep being another. I'm gonna

1175
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: also say that red deer gives in there. That's obvious.

1176
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: Now we got two more to get ska is za yep,

1177
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: one more, we said, foulow. We said, am I going

1178
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: to win this? We're gonna get this. It's not roosa deer.

1179
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: That's not that. It's come on, come on, you can

1180
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: do this. Come on, cow. Cow's looking confused. It's gotta

1181
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: have strange teeth. Yeah, it's kind of it can't be

1182
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: just a normal deer. Yeah, that was a great joke.

1183
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: A little spike. I'm thinking that, we said. Road deer

1184
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: said faullo deer. Okay, I'll save you Chinese. I would

1185
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: have never got that. I was thinking rooster deer and

1186
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: other things. You know. So it's one of the few

1187
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: places in the world that you can Chinese want to do,

1188
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: and the Chinese want to do. A population in China

1189
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: isn't doing all that well. So um, yeah, it's it's

1190
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: it's a rest of those genetics. Yeah, I've always wanted

1191
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: to come check things out. How many of those are native? Three? Three? Yeah?

1192
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: And fellow fellow not native? They were imported from Europe

1193
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: in the time of the Norman's valid if if, if

1194
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm correct, for the most populated deer in the world,

1195
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: there's more fallady than any other type of deer. I

1196
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: believe I was told that by a man it would know,

1197
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with it. Uh. If I'm wrong,

1198
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. That could be the title of this podcast.

1199
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but be Over would probably

1200
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: do very well. Well. We are coming to the end

1201
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: of our ivy You know what that means, kids, kids,

1202
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: you know what that means here at the Hunting Collective,

1203
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: when the ivy bag is empty, it's time to go pee,

1204
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: It's time to go and p Thank you Ian for

1205
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you Ben. What's how do you say

1206
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: goodbye in English? Goodbye? Goodbye, cheerio. That's it. That's all.

1207
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: Episode number forty seven is in the books I vys

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01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: beer all the best discussion with my good friendI and Harrison.

1209
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: I'm a good friend. Ryan Callahan's Privilege to sit down

1210
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: with these boys and record, and I believe it's a

1211
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: great representation of Ian's life and what he feels and thinks,

1212
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: and ours as well. So hopefully enjoyed it. I'm sure

1213
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: you will let us know your opinions on what was discussed,

1214
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 1: and we'll have fun time with that conversation. In the meantime,

1215
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: As always, please go to the mediator dot com, sign

1216
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: up for the newsletter, go to the store, go to

1217
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: the events page, do all those things. You're gonna find

1218
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: us all over the country. In the next couple of weeks.

1219
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: We head out very soon to Reno and Sacramento, So

1220
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: there's the places you'd be looking at and buying tickets

1221
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,919
Speaker 1: for that. If you want to see Callahan, myself, Johannes Pitelis,

1222
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: Steve Vanilla, and other guests on the live podcast tour,

1223
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: we very much look forward to seeing you there, or

1224
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: seeing you anywhere for that matter. So that's it. That's

1225
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: all I got, short, sweet and beautiful. Again, thank you

1226
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: for listening, Thank you for wading into these deep waters

1227
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: and these important issues with us. Hopefully you find the

1228
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: conversation to be challenging, you find the conversation to be

1229
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: something that makes you think it makes you better, because,

1230
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: as Ian said and as Cal said during this podcast,

1231
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: the conversation is what we care about, so we'll keep

1232
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: having it. Next time on The Hunting Collective see yu