1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. There's seriously nothing worse, in 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: my opinion, than planning a stock on a good deer, 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: getting to exactly where you think you should be and 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: the place is a ghost town. What I don't like 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: about it is just not knowing what happened. Did he move, 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: did he spook, Maybe he just bedded down. You may 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: never know. That's unless you have a spotter. When planning 12 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,319 Speaker 1: a stock, it's always easier to have someone watching from 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: an advantage and doing what I call directing traffic. Hand 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: signals can be a great way to guide another hunter in, 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: but if you're not on the same page, it can 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: honestly be more confusing than it's worth. So this week 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be breaking down the tried and true use 18 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: of hand signals. So text your hunting buddy right now 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: to listen in on this podcast because it takes two 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: to tango. But before we go there, I'm going to 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: share the story of today's late season archery mule deer 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: hunt with my wife. I figured, if I'm going to 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: tell a hunting story, might as well tell the story 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: of today's hunt. My wife and I drew some late 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: season archery meal deer tags, and this is kind of 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: my wife's like first jump into archery hunting. Earlier this year. 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: She just thought she's been on a few archery hunts 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: with me and thought it would be pretty exciting to 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: try herself. So we got our shooting a bow and 30 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: she actually went out and did some small games, some 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: grouse hunting, and she's doing really well and just progressing 32 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: really well, just all in preparation for this tag, so 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: she's been really excited. Unfortunately, today was the first day 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: we could get out. I was actually had a trip 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: already planned in Alaska and just got back, so we 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: kind of gathered up our stuff and went out today. 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: First morning. I figured out, okay, I'll just we'll continue 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: to hunt and I can do these podcasts at night 39 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: whenever after we get back. So we went out and 40 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: not having any time to scout, I just started to 41 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: check a few areas that I'd hunted before, and the 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: first part of the morning, didn't really see much. You know, 43 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: we hadn't had a whole lot of weather. Sometimes late 44 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: season hunts can be a little more migration dependent. We 45 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: got some weather, so I thought, okay, this is gonna 46 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: be great, and then didn't really see what we're looking 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: for the first part of the day, so we switched 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: areas kind of got into a new spot away from people. 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Some weather started moving in its cloudy, snowing cold. Um, 50 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: the fog started to roll into the glass. In visibility 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: wasn't that great. But before we lost visibility, spotted a 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: couple of bucks down in this this valley like kind 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: of in this patch of aspen trees. So I saw 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: one buck and he was actually a nice, nice buck, 55 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: pushing some dose in the aspens. Were like, okay, we'll 56 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: go over there. The snow is deep where we were at. 57 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: So we got up to the top and I'm like, 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: all right, it's maybe a mile and a half. Let's 59 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: go over there and stock in. So on the way there, 60 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: we get into a group of deer and my wife's 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: just looking to get her first our bow harvest, like 62 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: first bow kill, so not being super picky, there's a 63 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: big fork in horns or like, let's stock this. The 64 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: snow starts moving in, we start crawling in, and all 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the one deer we saw bet had 66 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: turned into about fifteen deer mostly does like, man, that's 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna be a tough stock. But we're headed for some 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: other deer anyway, so let's do a quick stock. If 69 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: we get in there, great if not, no tears. You know, 70 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: there's probably quite a few other bucks like this one around, 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: so let's just kind of knock the rust off, get 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: a little stock in. It was actually honestly bad stocking condition. 73 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: We didn't get very far before the dose sauce and 74 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: blew out. Thought okay, usually blew up the correct direction, 75 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: so we continued on. As we're now getting closer, we 76 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: hit some patches of pretty deep snow, like three or 77 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: four ft drifts on the back side, and we're like, okay, man, 78 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: if we gotta walk all the way there and then 79 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: all the way back up the mountain in this snow, 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. So we kind of tried to 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: navigate to a spot with a little less snow, pick 82 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: a different route over there, and on the way, sure enough, 83 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: here's another buck. Okay, so these other two bucks are 84 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: feeding and like, okay, these are kind of by themselves. 85 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: It looks like a bachelor group. Maybe we see two 86 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: right now, there might be more, so we slowly crept in, 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: but just the I think they definitely hurt us. The 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: snow wasn't really I wouldn't say crunchy, but it wasn't 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: quiet either. They blew out, so like, okay, well we 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: got about sixty yards on those, but she wants to 91 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: get within thirty thirty five yards. It's like this is 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: gonna be tough. So we continue onto that bigger buck 93 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: that was in those aspen trees, thinking okay, I just 94 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: saw like a couple of does in a in a buck. 95 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: So we get up over on the hillside where we 96 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: can look into those aspen trees we're glassing, and I'm like, 97 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: I see the doughs in there and not the buck. 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: So I start moving down the hill that we're on, 99 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: like the opposite hill of where they're at, and sure enough, 100 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: a deer jumps up. And this is just something that 101 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: kind of happens in migration areas where you start getting 102 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of deer moving in. In this stage that 103 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: we had to go through to get to where we're going. 104 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: Was just a pocket loaded full of does, probably sixty doughs. 105 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: One blew out and it took the whole hillside running. 106 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: We didn't even get within five yards of the deer 107 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: we were trying to stock. Sure enough, those dose blew 108 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: out scattered everywhere. We couldn't see them because they're laying 109 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: in sage that was about neck high, and there when 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: our stock for the day. So like, bummer, this sucks. Well, 111 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: let's head back to the truck. There's a lot of 112 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: deer around we might see something. So we head back 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: and we're starting to head out and I spot a 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: couple other bucks, but nothing in a good stocking positions. Said, okay, 115 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: we're just not even gonna waste their time like on 116 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: these deer that are just unstoppable. The wind was bad, 117 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: They're better in a good spot, just not in a 118 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: good position for stalking. So we're on our way out 119 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: and as we're we're heading out, I spot antler tips 120 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: coming up the hill in front of us, like buck buck. 121 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: So the buck crosses in front of us and then 122 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: starts feeding. Is perfect. The wind's good and we're already 123 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: fairly close within that two yards, so we creep in 124 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: a little bit closer. She gets within range, but then 125 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: just no shot. It's like, oh man, that was so 126 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: close yet so far away, Like all right, well, let's 127 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: keep going. So we go just a little bit further 128 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: and just around the bend there was this Earlier that 129 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: day I had spotted this really big I called it 130 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: forcas Sours, just a giant forking horn. It was like 131 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: a probably a regressed buck, real mature animal, just a 132 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: big buck, only two points on each side, but very 133 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: tall times just like a cool looking deer. And he's 134 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: with a bunch of does, and there's actually two bucks 135 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: in the group. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna stay here. 136 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: I got my camera out. I'm like, I'm gonna guide 137 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: you in because that way, it's just like less people, 138 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: less in the movement. And they're kind of in this 139 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: tall sage mix and a really steep hill, so it 140 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: was kind of hard. It's hard to know where they're going. 141 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: So I hold back and she starts to creep up. 142 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: She's crawling in and now she's like on the steep 143 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: face below. It's pretty vertical, so you can't really see 144 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: until you get close, and I can see she's she's 145 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: creeping up and I'm directing her up and that group 146 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: of deer. There's a buck with some does right above her. 147 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: So as she's creeping in, I can tell she sees 148 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: a dough. She gets down and she can start seeing 149 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: the group of deer. But what she can't see is 150 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: the buck walked up and around and is now on 151 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: the other side of her. So I start hands signaling, 152 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: like right, go right. She looks at me like right. 153 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm like yes, right, she's looking she can see the deer. 154 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: She's like, okay, I'm just gonna trust his hand signals. 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: So there happened to be two bucks in. The bigger 156 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: bucks circled around and went to this bush. So I 157 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: just started hand singing, like she's looking at me. She 158 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: can't see above her because the hills steep and the 159 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: brushes thick, so she's looking back at me. I'm hand 160 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: signaling over. Up she goes, and I just start directing 161 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: her in, and I can see the deer because I've 162 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: got this this wide view, this panoramic TV view of 163 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: seeing everything. So I direct her right to the bush 164 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: and she gets down, and then I can tell she 165 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: sees it antler tips right on the other side of 166 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: the bush. And I mean from from my view because 167 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: the two of them are stacked together, it looks like 168 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: the deer's five feet away. It ended up being fifteen yards. 169 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: So now this is her first opportunity at a meal 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: deer buck, and I can tell she's pretty excited. So 171 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: the bucks moving right, I guided her right in to 172 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: the perfect spot. She draws back, the bucks now feeding, 173 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: and it's just gonna walk out right broadside, perfect, but 174 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: instead turns and starts going left, not like moving fast, 175 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: just milling and feeding. So she's already at full draw 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: and she creeps around the point of the bush and 177 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: I can see her settle the pin and she shoots 178 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: and it just hits the bush right in front of her. 179 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: Her site picture was clear, but the bush's trying to 180 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: shoot around. She didn't notice that her arrow is lower. 181 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, the things you learned 182 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: archery hunting. I mean, I've made that mistake, probably myself. 183 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many times I did it 184 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: on a doll sheep in Alaska. Once just hammered the 185 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: rock right in front of me, two feet away, And 186 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: since that that time is just one of those like 187 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: experiences where you just have to have those experiences. You think, 188 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: at fifteen yards there's no way you can miss, and 189 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: yet you you focus in so much that you don't 190 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: realize your arrow doesn't clear the tree branch right in 191 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: front of you, and you've got that deer right in 192 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: your site, dead to rights, and something goes wrong. And 193 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: I said, welcome to bow hunting. I mean that right 194 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: there perfectly describes to me what bow hunting is. It's 195 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: it's everything combined of so many things you need to learn, 196 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: so many things you need to do, and even when 197 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: everything looks so perfect, there's still those little things you 198 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: need to pay attention to that can go wrong. But 199 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, if she would have just kept creeping on 200 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: those other deer, she would have completely had no opportunity 201 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: at the buck. Because I was sat back and was 202 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: able to direct her. And even though she thought, okay, 203 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: those I can see, dear here, they've got to be 204 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: right here, just following those hands signals, it was able 205 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: to get her within range, within fifteen yards of a 206 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: buck that she probably would have messed up or not 207 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: even she would have even known that that buck peeled 208 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: off and win another direction. Um, has she just been 209 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: stalking in or had I been stalking in with her? 210 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: So there was a huge ability to just like helping hand. 211 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: I call it like a helping hand guiding her in 212 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: to the deer when I could take that original view 213 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: and see everything from the director's chair and kind of 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: helped direct her into position to get close enough for 215 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: a bowshot. Now, I'll be real honest with you, I 216 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: have had a love hate relationship with hand signals for 217 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: a very long time. For me, I generally hunt alone. 218 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: I do a lot of solo hunting when I'm hunting 219 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: for myself, so I don't have somebody else helping direct 220 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: me in or even know what happens if I stalk 221 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: in and then lose the animal or can't find it. 222 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: I think that often the best way to stalk you 223 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: end up losing sight of whatever you're stalking at some 224 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: point through the stock because you have to go around 225 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: the backside, come in from the top. You've got to 226 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: adjust your plan, and you're gonna lose sight of him 227 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: at some point. That's where having somebody there to watch 228 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: really can pay dividends. Now for me personally, I've gotten 229 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: used to hunting without that, but I do when I 230 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: hunt with other people, I realize what a benefit it 231 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: is to be able to help guide people in. Now 232 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: there are some states that allow radios two a communication. 233 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: Me personally, even in states where it's legal, I don't 234 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: use it, and I don't like to use it, partially 235 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: because I don't know, just personal preference, But I feel 236 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: like the hand signals are a little bit different because 237 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: it's a it's more of an archaic form of guiding 238 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: someone in, and if you've ever done it, you can 239 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: realize that a lot can go wrong even with hand signals, 240 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: and I think that the thing that goes wrong most 241 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: is poor communication and poor pre planning between the two 242 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: people trying to signal each other in. So if done correctly, however, 243 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: I will say that it is extremely effective at getting 244 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: someone into position, and it's a way that you can 245 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: communicate back and forth silently, and the person with the 246 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: director's chair the big view can help guide the hunter 247 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: as things move. So I think that if we're gonna 248 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: break down hand signals, we've first have to talk about 249 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: the basics. What hand signals are is you've got someone 250 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: watching and someone's stalking, So the hunters stalking. Obviously, the 251 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: person watching is is seeing hopefully has a view of 252 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: where the animal is and can then pick up the 253 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: hunter along the way. The person signaling his job is 254 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: to direct the hunter to the animal. Obviously, So you're 255 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: gonna need some standard commands. Here are the commands that 256 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: I think are necessary, and I think any more than 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: this is kind of unnecessary. So your standard commands are 258 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: gonna be up down right, left. You need something for yes, 259 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: something for no, something for I don't know, and then 260 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: you need something to communicate. It is the same, it 261 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: has changed, it is over. So I'll jump into the 262 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: like breaking this down here. So the signal or the 263 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: way that I think works the best, and what you 264 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: need is to people to be on the same page. 265 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: That is the number one key tactics. So whether you're 266 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: a signal er or you're the stalker, you need to 267 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: have this down, memorized and understood before you embark on 268 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: a stock and before it's game time. So the way 269 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: that I operate hand signals is the signaler should always 270 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: direct where the person needs to go from where they're looking. 271 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: So the direction of travel needed. So if I'm looking 272 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: out at the mountain, I've got the hunter at one point. 273 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: Let's call the hunter at point A and the deer's 274 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: at point B. Point A from my view, he needs 275 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: to go right to get to point B. The hunter 276 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: needs to move right to go to the deer. I 277 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: put my arm right if he needs to go up. 278 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: I put my arm up above my head if I 279 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: need he needs to go down down below my head, 280 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: and left left arm out so as he's looking, he 281 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: can look back at the glass er and he goes 282 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: the direction that he's pointing. So okay, he's looking, and okay, 283 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: I go that way. Um now, now don't want to 284 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: be pointing at the animal, but you're using your arms 285 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: as directions. So left, right, up, down essentially covers all 286 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: the directions on a hill that a person can go. Now, 287 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: you also need something where you can communicate back and forth, 288 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: because this is where hand signals fall apart. The person 289 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know if the deer's where they were before, if 290 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: the deer has changed, anything like that. So I like 291 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: to have an easy way of communicating these three things. 292 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: It is the same, it has changed, it is over 293 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: when the hunter leaves the glass or I like to 294 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: set up something where at a glance, they can understand 295 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: how or what I'm looking at without having to make 296 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: any signals or anything. So the way I do that, 297 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: I generally have like a even if I'm archery hunting 298 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, I have an extra blaze orange vest in 299 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: my backpack, or I use a game bag like a 300 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: white game bag, something easy to see before the hunter leaves. 301 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: I said it on one side of me up maybe 302 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: where either tied on my pack, or maybe there's a 303 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: branch or something I can put it on. So if 304 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down looking at the hill, I generally put 305 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: whatever I'm using, my orange vest or game bag to 306 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: the left of my body, so it'll just be sitting 307 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: there constantly, always to my left. That means that what 308 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: we're looking at when the hunter leaves, it's the same. 309 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: So for if he's stalking a bedded buck and he 310 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: looks back at any point during the stock to check 311 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: in and sees that that game bag or orange vest 312 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: is to my left when he's looking at it to 313 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: be to my right obviously, but you do it while 314 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: he's there, so or he or she's there, so they 315 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: know where it's at. They know that it's the same 316 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: as when they left, so they're gonna plan their stock. 317 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna plan a stock, and you're gonna assume that. Okay, 318 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stalk into this animal like everything is the 319 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: same when they left. Now, if things change, I move 320 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: the game bag or the orange vest to the other 321 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: side of me, so at a glance, the person can 322 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: look and say, Okay, something has changed. They are not 323 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: in the same place, or maybe not the exact same place, 324 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: but not in the general vicinity. It's moved. I'm going 325 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: to have to reassess the stock and use more hands 326 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: signals to go in. Now, if it's the hunt's blown, 327 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: I generally take that thing and either put it away 328 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: or put it on, or put it above me or 329 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: wave it around something to signify that, hey, we need 330 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: to regroup the stocks over you either blew it or 331 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: it's so messed up. At this point, the animals move 332 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: so far that we need to regroup and reassess and restock. 333 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: The hand signals are no longer going to work. Just 334 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: having that where the hunter can check in and identify 335 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: that takes out a lot of communication problems and communicates 336 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: a lot of information very simply, and a lot of 337 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: information that's important for directing a person in When you 338 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: think about hand signals and directing people, it needs to 339 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: be something simple and it needs to be in a 340 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: way that you can communicate clearly. And really all you 341 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: need to communicate is direction of travel and whether things 342 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: are working or not. So I have a couple of 343 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: signals that I use for yes, no, and I don't 344 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: know yes. I got from when I was scuba diving 345 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: trying to communicate underwater. Just putting your hands in a 346 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: circle above your head. That means everything's okay, Like making 347 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: an O with your arms around your head. That's what 348 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: I use. It just says okay, everything's okay. Yes. It's 349 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: a way of communicating positive. I use my hands as 350 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: an X to communicate no. So if they're going somewhere 351 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: or they're pointing in a direction, I use the X 352 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: as no, uh, something's wrong, look at me. The X 353 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: is no go. And then sometimes things happen where you're 354 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: the glass er. You look, the deer's gone. You don't 355 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: know if he's there, you don't know if he's not there. 356 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: That's the kind of shrugged shoulders w shape, like the 357 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's I don't know, arms up to 358 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: both sides, like it would make a w between your 359 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: head and your hands, just like I don't know, is 360 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: you there? Maybe? Um? And that's a good, that's a good. 361 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 1: Having those three things to communicate back and forth with 362 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: hand signals is huge, But it's also something that's easily 363 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: identifiable over a long distance. Now, when we're talking about directions, 364 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: a lot of times you've gotta understand that you might 365 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: be five six hundred, seven hundred yards away, so you 366 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: might be hard for the person stalking in to see 367 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: the hand signals that you're doing as the director, as 368 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: the person giving the hand signals. A lot of times 369 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: I'll just take a game bag out, use that white 370 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: game bag for the direction, so it's easier to see. Now, 371 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: what you have to make sure is you have to 372 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: have some way of communicating back and forth that the 373 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: person needs a signal, so as the glass or you're 374 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: gonna be watching the person stock in. One thing that 375 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: I do, I often use my hat to get the 376 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: attention of the glass or so I'll use I'll flash 377 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: my hat to say, hey, give me a direction. Am 378 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: I good? Am I okay? What's going on? If I 379 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: turned my hat backwards and saying I'm not really sure 380 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: where I'm going or what I'm doing, and I need 381 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: some more direction. The glasses responsibility is going to be 382 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: to continually direct the person who's stalking. In this best 383 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: works with the spotting scope so you can have your 384 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: hands free. The glass will be sitting there with the 385 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: spotting scalpe watching and then constantly giving direction like up, down, left, right, 386 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: toward the animal. So at any point the person stalking 387 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: can check in with their binocularcy okay, I need to 388 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: go this way, and then continue on the path. One 389 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: thing you have to definitely think about is you need 390 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: there to be time to communicate over long distances with 391 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: these hand signals for the person stalking to look with 392 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: their binoculars, check in with you, then put them down. 393 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: Then the glass or needs to then check in with 394 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: their binoculars and see if there's any other communication that's needed. 395 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: If they don't understand, they could give the shrugging motion 396 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: and I don't know, or they can understand or reply 397 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: that they get what's going on by giving the circle 398 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 1: or the X saying no, I don't get get what 399 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: you're saying. I think one of the signals that I 400 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: want to know the most is if the stocks blown. 401 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: If I'm stalking in and the animal blows out, have 402 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: some way of communicating at any point as the hunter 403 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: checks in that hey it's over, and so that might 404 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: be you know, before you go, have a pre chosen 405 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: sign for it's over. A lot of times, like I 406 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: said earlier, I moved that that indicator, whether it's that 407 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: game bag to the left, the right, or just put 408 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: it away. But you also don't want the person to 409 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: be stalking and not see that and come back, Oh, 410 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was blown. So you definitely want to 411 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: be able to check in. Wave your arms. Hey, we 412 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: call it off. It's no longer good. We need to regroup. 413 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: If I were to give you five tips to keeping 414 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: hand signals successful, the first would be to keep gestures 415 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: to a minimum, stick to directions yes, no, maybe, and 416 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: then the sign of whether things are the same or different. 417 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: You should be able to communicate what you need to 418 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: with those. When people start ad living, when they start 419 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: thinking that they're communicating something with their hands at a 420 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: long distance that wasn't pre talked about, confusion sets in. 421 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: I've had that happen so many times with people that 422 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: are knew that I've hunted with friends that I've hunted with. 423 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I can think of more times that it 424 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: hasn't worked out because somebody's done something like, oh, I 425 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: was trying to tell you that another one came up 426 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: behind you and you should draw back and look at 427 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: that one and then shoot and go that way and 428 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: watch out for that. And there's just it's too difficult 429 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: to communicate too many things. Keep it simple, stupid like 430 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: that's just how it works with hand signals. Have your 431 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: directions to the animal from where the hunter is. Direct 432 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: them to the animal, make sure everybody understands that, have 433 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: ways to say yes, no, maybe, and then let them 434 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: know whether it's how it was when they left or 435 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: if things have changed, and that just keeping it simple 436 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: like that is going to lead to a lot more success. 437 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: The next thing is you know what the plan is 438 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: ahead of time. You know, plan the stock with the hunter. 439 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: Don't Sometimes the person hunting just goes off and like, Okay, 440 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get over there, and they don't really plan 441 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: the stock out Let the person who's glassing know what 442 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: your initial plan is. Obviously things change, but it can 443 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: be very difficult to pick out somebody that's crawling and 444 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: staying hidden in camouflage. UM. It also could be difficult knowing, Hey, 445 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: what route are you gonna take? Where are you planning 446 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: to get to? Where do you want to get to? 447 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: I think where stocks go wrong as people only think 448 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: about getting to the animal, not getting to a place 449 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: where they can shoot from. So before I leave, I 450 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: really plan out the stock with whether I'm the signal 451 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: er or the person is stalking, we plan it out. 452 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: We say, okay, look the deer's there, he's betted, he 453 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: should stay bedded there. I'm gonna go up around the 454 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: back side. I'm gonna pop over at this tree and 455 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: look for you. I'm gonna check in there and see 456 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: if I can get hand signals or if it's moved. 457 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: If it hasn't moved, then I'm going to stalk to 458 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: that rock just off the left side. It looks like 459 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: that's down wind of where I'm going. It also looks 460 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: about twenty to thirty yards and maybe a clear opening. 461 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get there and wait. You know, if it 462 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: does and look like I can get any closer, I'm 463 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: gonna wait there so long as it hasn't moved. Now, 464 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: if it moves, which way. Do you think it might go, Well, 465 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: I'd say, oh yeah, as the sun comes up, it 466 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: might go rebed in these trees over here. So if 467 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: I move the pack to the moved side and then 468 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: you know he's moved, maybe we'll do the okay symbol 469 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: if he moves to that spot. So that's Those are 470 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: just ways to pre plan the stock and pre plan 471 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: your communication based on what might happen. You don't know 472 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen, but you have a pretty 473 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: good idea of some of the options. So stick to 474 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: a plan, formulate a plan, and it makes the communication 475 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot easier between the signal er and the hunter. 476 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: The next thing would be wait and look for the signals. 477 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, even like a two 478 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: way radio, only one person can be on channel at 479 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: a time. So the trouble that I find is a 480 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: lot of people get confused because one guy's signaling, the 481 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: hunter's signaling where do I go? I don't know? Do 482 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: I go this way? And the signalers signaling to the 483 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: hunter this, this, this, go, do this, do this, and 484 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: they're doing it at the same time. Yet they aren't 485 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: far enough to visually see with their eyeballs, So you 486 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: need to make sure it's one person signaling and then 487 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: the other person signaling, give look, look at each other 488 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: with binoculars whatever, get in the optics, confirm that they 489 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: can see you, do your hands signals, then look back, 490 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and when they understand they should give you the Okay, okay, 491 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: I got what you're saying. Now I'm gonna do it. 492 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: So communicating back and forth one at a time and 493 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: then confirming whether you receive the message or not. The 494 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: next thing would be the hunter needs to check in. 495 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: So many times I've been the guy doing the hand 496 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: signals and hunter's like, Okay, I'm gonna do this stock. 497 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up there, and and then they never 498 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: check in. They never look back at the person signaling, 499 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: I will have moved my thing, saying, oh the the 500 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: animals moved, and they continue to get so focused in 501 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: on the stock that they forget to check back in. 502 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: You think, okay, that's very simple. They wouldn't, but it 503 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: happens so many times where they don't look back. My 504 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: wife did a really good job on her stock, and 505 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: the reason she was able to get fifteen yards from 506 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: that deer as opposed to not even get close to 507 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: the deer. Was as she got close, she kept checking back, 508 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: checking back, is it right? Am? I? Okay? Does everything 509 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: look good? Yeah? Everything looks okay, everything looks good. The 510 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: next thing would be small gestures don't really translate over 511 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: big distances, but also the reverses. You don't need big 512 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: gestures at short distances. So on this particular hunt, you know, okay, 513 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: could be having the same thing but just smaller instead 514 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: of having to go big over your head. I was 515 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: actually not that far away. She could see me with 516 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: her binoculars fairly easy, actually probably with her her bare eyes. 517 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: So just giving the okay symbol like finger, thumb and 518 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: index finger you know, okay, typical like yep, it's okay 519 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: finger xs no, you know, using my hat instead of 520 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the game bag hat forward means it's the same hat 521 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: backwards means it's different having those for different, uh, different distances. 522 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: But then also realizing if you're looking five yards you 523 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: need binoculars to see the person. Small hand movements don't 524 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: translate well over big distances, so you really need to 525 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: exaggerate one way. As it gets further, what I do 526 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: is I use my not only hand signals, but my 527 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: body movement. So I hold my hand right and walk 528 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: right from where I'm at as they're looking at me, 529 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: hold my hand up, walk back just ways to show 530 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: that they need to go up, they need to go down, 531 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: they need to go left, they need to go right, 532 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: but over a larger distance where it's easily translated into okay, 533 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: that's what I need to do. And then the last 534 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: tip would be to trust your signaler, but don't blame them. 535 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: So many times I've been hunting with guys, or I've 536 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: been the guy stocking and somebody has been directing me. 537 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: The person that's looking at the hills doing the best 538 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: of their ability. It's not always easy to tell um distances. 539 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes when they're stacked up against each other, they're they're 540 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: directing you based on the way that they see it. 541 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: Communication is limited in one way. When you leave the 542 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: person signaling, you have to have the assumption that I'm 543 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: going over here to stock. This person will tell me 544 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: if it's gone. This person might be able to help 545 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: direct me in if I get confused or if the 546 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: animal moves, But I'm not relying on them for my 547 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: success or failure. You're it's still hunting. It's a team 548 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: effort at this point, you know, blaming your hunting partner 549 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: because oh, you didn't understand their signal or whatever is 550 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: a horrible way to go. I've seen I've seen many 551 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: hunting partners get hit each other's throats because one guy 552 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: was a bad signal, or he didn't understand what he 553 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: was doing. He did a terrible job, the stock was blown, 554 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: he would have done better with it. It's just like 555 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: I've seen that happen. But also trust the guy signaling. 556 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: He's got a way better advantage than you. Um, so 557 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, trust in what they're saying. If they're saying 558 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: go right, go right, there's now there's are times when 559 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: you're on the ground you need to make different decisions. 560 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: But trust that your signal is saying okay, at least 561 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: directing you to where the animal is and giving you 562 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: a better idea of where you need to go. So 563 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: trust them, but don't blame them. If you do those things, 564 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: I think that you'll find yourself a lot more successful 565 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: it being guided in or guiding in your hunting partner 566 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: on your next stock. If you really think about the 567 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: hunting trips you go on, most hunting trips people are 568 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: with friends, with a hunting partner, unless you're by yourself. 569 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: But it's a great advantage to have to really nail 570 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: down these hand signals ahead of time, to be on 571 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: the same page to communicate these things. You're gonna find 572 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: yourself a lot more successful guys that have hunted and 573 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: done this a lot together. I mean, it's very hard 574 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: starting out. You might like it seems difficult starting out, 575 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: but the more you do it, the more you practice it, 576 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: the better you're gonna be at it, both as the 577 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: hunter and the signal er. That's what makes a really 578 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: good hunting team is people that can communicate well without 579 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: the use of electronic devices or having to talk. They 580 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: can just give hand signals. They understand what they're doing, 581 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: where they're going, and they're gonna be a lot more 582 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: successful that way. So find a good hunting buddy, get 583 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: on the same page, work these signals out, practice them 584 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: in the field, use them as often as you can, 585 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: and you're gonna find that you're gonna be a lot 586 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: more successful for it. I think we're coming into the 587 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Christmas time next week. I'm gonna do what I like 588 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: to call my Christmas special, So there's gonna be some 589 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: gear giveaways like I did last year. I like to 590 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: reward everybody who listens to this podcast. So I got 591 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: some some cool stuff to give away, nothing huge, but 592 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: just a little give back thank you. Try to make 593 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: it a little bit easier odds of winning than some 594 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: just mass giveaways on social media. So um, good luck 595 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: at that. You'll have to listen in to figure out 596 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: how to claim your prize. It's gonna be I think 597 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: as Christmas Eve is the next one, so you know 598 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: you'll probably be enjoying it with your family. Maybe we'll 599 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: do the giveaway within like the that week of Christmas 600 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: even on so you don't have to. But if you 601 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: want to listen on Chris to see Christmas whatever with 602 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: your family or whatever, that's cool too. But enjoy the 603 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: time with your family. Hopefully you're thinking about hunting, I'll 604 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: give you some some good uh. I like to think 605 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: about some good holiday stories and then maybe some good 606 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: tips on that hunting. Between Christmas and New Year's maybe 607 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: getting some family out, whether your kids or just people 608 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: in your family out, and some just some fun hunts 609 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: that you can do with other people that may hunt 610 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: that may not hunt. That maybe thinking about getting into hunting, 611 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: just some fun stuff to do and maybe some ways 612 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: to cook up what you take home, so look forward 613 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: to that until next week. Keep them pointed in the 614 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: right direction.