1 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: It was the early sixties and my parents had taken 2 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: us to Jacal Island to tour the mansions. As the 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: seven of us went through, my mother at one point 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: noticed my sister Sharon was no longer with us, thinking 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: that she was probably just in another room, or maybe 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: the restroom, or perhaps she had even gone outside to 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: wait on us. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: But every second. 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: That went by that my mother did not see her, 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: she became more anxious. Slowly my mother became frantic to 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: find her. I remember vividly there was an elderly couple 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: that saw my mom's searching. 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: And said, can we help you? 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: And she said, I can't find my daughter, And they asked. 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: What was she wearing? 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: What does she look like? My mom gave a description. 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: At that point, some of the tour guides got involved. 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: The state patrol was. 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: Called on the island, and then a young group of 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: about four friends we would have called them hippies, jumped 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: in and also. 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Offered a spread out to look for her. 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: My dad, with my other two older sisters, Sheila and Charlaine, 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: they walked back toward our car to see if she thought, Hey, I'll. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: Just go there to meet up with them. 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: Me and Shelley being the babies, stayed with her mom 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: at the last place she was known to be well. 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: The state patrol found her sitting in a chair with 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: the back of the chair facing the door, so if 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: you looked in the room, you wouldn't see her. And 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Sharen had found a rare book in the library of 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: that mansion and just lost track of time reading. But again, 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: even as a little little girl, what I remember is 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: all of these people from different backgrounds, at different stages 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: of their life, stopped everything they were doing to help. 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: It made me feel great that strangers who we had 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: never seen before immediately jumped into action to look for 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: my sister. And as my mother used to always say, 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: love wins. 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: Now. 41 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: Y'all know, I like to start a case, especially a 42 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: cold case investigation where it ended. But in the missing 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: person's case of Molly Miller and Colt Hayes, I don't 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: have that. We don't know where it is, we don't 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: have a crime scene, we don't have a place that 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: was located, where evidence was found, collected and preserved. It's 47 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: really unusual to start a case where somebody goes missing 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: and you kind of have a general idea because there 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: was some now when one calls made. There was some 50 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: searches done by some friends, but you never locate any 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: evidence of where Cold and Molly ended up. Now it's 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: going to remind y'all that Molly Miller and Cold Hayes 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: got into a car driven by their friend con Nip 54 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: on July seventh, twenty thirteen, in Wilson, Oklahoma, after a 55 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: police chase with speeds up to one hundred and twenty 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: miles an hour. The chase was called off, but law 57 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: enforcement could see the dust from the trail the car 58 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: was taken, so they knew the direction that they went. 59 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: They also knew the car. They also knew Con so 60 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: even though there was a chase, it wasn't like they 61 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: didn't know where to. 62 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: Go find it. 63 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: The car was found direcked, and Molly and Colt were 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: never seen alive again. Our guest today is Paula Miller Fielder. 65 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: She's Molly's cousin. For a decade, she's been searching, fighting, 66 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: praying to try to find Molly and Cold. Now she 67 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: and the family did something extraordinary. Seventy and a half 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: years after Mollie went missing, they had her declared dead. 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those investigative moves that's genius. 70 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: If Mollie was legally declared dead, it would mean this 71 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: becomes a death investigation, no longer a missing person now. 72 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: The family hoped that that action would lead to more 73 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: resources for law enforcement to change from a missing person 74 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: and put homicide detectives on it, that OSBI and maybe 75 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: the FBI could get involved. It was just a really 76 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: mart maneuver, even though it was gut ridging for them. 77 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: Paula, I cannot thank you enough for joining us. 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I honestly appreciate you put 79 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: Molly's story out there the way you have the past 80 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: few weeks, and you know it's people like you that 81 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: keep her story going, that keeps people interested and never 82 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: lets them forget. Well. 83 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: You and I had a chance to work side by 84 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: side with each other on the ranch. Yes, I got 85 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: to tell you, Oh gosh, I want people to know again. 86 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: I've told the story about when I first walked in, 87 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: but I want to talk specifically about you that weekend. 88 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: It was the day after Thanksgiving, and when I walked 89 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: into that ranch, you were to my left at the 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: stove and you were cooking and simultaneously while you were 91 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: making dinner and whatnot, you were also cleaning up, and 92 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: I thought, now, this is a woman knows how to 93 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: run that kitchen, especially the day after Thanksgiving, where you've 94 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: probably already done that. 95 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: And then that night we went out searching. You didn't 96 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: even go to bed. And then the. 97 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: Next day you never stopped. From the moment we hit 98 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: that filled area and that search area, you were working 99 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: the screens, you were pulling dirt, you were sifting through stuff, 100 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: you were helping get the hose ready. You were walking 101 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: the area to make sure. Yep, I think we can 102 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: set up here, and I think the hose can run 103 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: this way, and you know, we'll put the tarps here. 104 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: I mean, you really were just remarkable as far as 105 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: the effort that you were going to put in physically. 106 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 3: You know, over the past ten years, I've had an 107 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 3: opportunity on multiple occasions to do some searches that we 108 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: had gotten together that would possibly an end result. And 109 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: when those opportunities arise, there's no wasting time. And when 110 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: you have the people there that are there for a 111 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: very limited time, you know you've got to get as 112 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: much done in that timeframe as you possibly can. And 113 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 3: this has happened, not only in this instance where you 114 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: and Marine were there, but in other instances over the years. 115 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's like just go non stop to get 116 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: as much done as possible, and it is physically and 117 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: mentally exhausting. However, it's something that absolutely has to be done, 118 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 3: and it has to be done now. I just wanted 119 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: to make sure, you know, I always have this fear 120 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: that something's going to get missed. I can't feel like 121 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: I can leave the area, you know, I have to 122 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: stay right there because in my head I know what 123 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: I'm looking for. 124 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: You didn't burn any daylight. I mean, it was all 125 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: well utilized. And again it was something to me that 126 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: I know, this is gut wrenching. 127 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: I know it's hard. I know. Maureene and I. 128 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: Even talked that at that scene we wanted to find something. 129 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: We wanted some answer to be given. But at the 130 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: same time, it's like, man, I hope we don't find 131 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: anything for her sake, but then I hope we do 132 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: find something for her sake. It's an unusual balance of 133 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, yes, we want to recover Molly and Cole, 134 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: but at the same time that's going to be a 135 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: final answer. Either way, it was clear to me you 136 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: were going to leave there with some sadness, either sad 137 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: we didn't find anything, or sad that we did. I 138 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: want to give you answers. Maureene wanted to give you answers. Toby, Rob, Cindy, 139 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: and again we're not done. 140 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: Early on, when me and my cousin Misty and my 141 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: sister were searching, you know, at one time we had 142 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: gone to a location that we had gotten a tip on, 143 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: and what I saw in the ground something that looked 144 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: like shovel marks that were going into the ground, and 145 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: so we had shovels. We had breaks with us. It 146 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: was in August of twenty thirteen. It was so hot. 147 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: We had not planned out being out there that long. 148 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: That day we started digging and we got to a 149 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 3: point where we thought we saw a skull. We all 150 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: were on our knees digging with our hands at this point, 151 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: and we just started crying. Every one of us saw 152 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: the skull in our minds. We were looking at a 153 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: skull and the eye sockets nerves, you know. So we 154 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: took off back to the vehicle. We called Molly's uncle, 155 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: We asked him to come. We had no water, We 156 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: asked him to bring us water out there. He showed up. 157 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: We wouldn't even walk back there with him, and he 158 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: said it was not a skull, it was a rock. 159 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: It was so I think we wanted so badly to 160 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: find something, to find her, you know that. You know, 161 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: we were starting to see things. 162 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: Well, you remember when we were out together and ex 163 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: FBI agent Marine O'Connell was with us. She was on 164 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the FBI's evidence recovery team. Remember we kept thinking we 165 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: were finding fingers, but it was bamboo. Yeah, so yeah, 166 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: your mind, we'll play tricks on you, so to speak, 167 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: when you're so laser focused on what you're looking for 168 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: and then you think it presents itself, and you know, 169 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: it's funny. My children went through a program at a 170 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: state park here in Georgia called Mud and Go Seek, 171 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: And what they taught them is, if you're going to hide, 172 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: use what is ever in the natural terrain. So whatever 173 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: mud is, their foliage, whatever, that's what you put all 174 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: over your body. And then if you lay flat, you 175 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 1: blend in. And what they did was they had the 176 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: kids work for an hour or so, teaching them use 177 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: like the mud from a cave, the bottom of a 178 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: creek bed and then the ground, and those three different 179 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: tones will camouflage you beautifully. So they had the kids. 180 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: Once they got all camouflaged up with the natural terrain, 181 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: they got I don't know, ten or fifteen minutes to 182 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: go hide, and then the parents we were supposed to 183 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: go try to find them. My son laid flat on 184 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: a rock and I could not see him. 185 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it was wicked. 186 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: So again for us, how many different grays were there, 187 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: Greens were there, browns were there that were all mixed, 188 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: and we kept pulling different things out the bamboo rugs, leaves. 189 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: So let me ask you when you first were told 190 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: Molly was missing, how were you told and what was 191 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: your first reaction about it. 192 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: My younger sister had actually seen it on Facebook and 193 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 3: called me. She's seen a post made by one of 194 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: our other cousins. She asked me if I had heard 195 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 3: anything about this. I had not, so I called Mollie's mother. 196 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: She had basically told me that what had happened, that 197 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: Mollie had been in the police chase with a friend. 198 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: She told me all the circumstances, and then you know, 199 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: we kind of kept in contact. We made posts on 200 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 3: Facebook asking for any information. Almost two weeks to the day. 201 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 3: The police chase was on a Saturday, and about a 202 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: week and a half, almost two weeks later, that Thursday, 203 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 3: Molly's mother had contacted me. She was screaming into the 204 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: phone and telling me, I need you here, Paula, they've 205 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: done something to my baby. And I said, what do 206 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: you mean, they've done something to your baby? I said, 207 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: how do you know? When she said, I just know 208 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: I need you here. And so that was on a Thursday, 209 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: and I lived right about two hours away. I had 210 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: never lived in the area, so it was all foreign 211 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: to me. The next morning, my sister and I got 212 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: in the car and we drove down I thirty five 213 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: until we hit Oswalt Road. That is the road in 214 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: Love County where Con had taken the police chase two 215 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 3: out of Carter County. He had taken it down to 216 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 3: Oswalt Road because the road Long haul of Road where 217 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: he lived was off of Oswald. So that's where we headed, 218 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: and we drove until we found Long Hollow Road. Well, 219 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: just so happens, there was a man coming out of 220 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: the gate of the ranch at that time was owned 221 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: by a man. His name was mister Green and he 222 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: owned the ranch at that time, and it was not 223 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: developed at all like what you see now. Was not 224 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: there when Molly and Colt went missing, and it was 225 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: all wooded and you know, just a dirt trail down 226 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: to the ponds. So he was coming out of his 227 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: property closing the gate. We stopped. We spoke to him, 228 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: and he told us then that you know these people, 229 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: you know, he would have to come out there. He 230 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: lived up in Oklahoma City. He would have to come 231 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: out there periodically just to check on the property because 232 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: these people the area had taken over that property as 233 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: it was their own. And I'm talking about Kobe Barrick 234 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 3: and con Nip and them. He told us that they 235 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: were on and office property all the time and they 236 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: would find remnants of them having bonfires out there in 237 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: this type of thing. So he gave us permission at 238 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: that point that they had a key to the property 239 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: at the left County Sheriff's department and if we ever 240 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: needed on it that all we had to do is 241 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: call and ask. The man left and my sister and 242 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: I we drove down long hollow road just to see 243 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: what it was, what it's all about. It's a dead 244 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: end road. We drove down to the end of it 245 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: and there was content sitting out on her front porch. 246 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: At the time, we didn't even know who she was, 247 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: and we didn't know that the house down there belonged 248 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: to kaan Nip's grandparents. You know, this type of thing. 249 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: We're just driving not knowing where we're at or what 250 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: we're doing. 251 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: A lot of when you work a cold case, people 252 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: will say, oh, you know, law enforcement is corrupt, and 253 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: that's rarely the case. There are people that are upset 254 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: that the case hasn't been solved or moved in some way, 255 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: but typically the detective wants it solved just as much 256 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: as anybody. But in this case, there is no question 257 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: that there was corruption because the sheriff ended up getting 258 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,119 Speaker 1: arrested and prosecuted and convicted. 259 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: So talk about that a little bit. 260 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: That now you've got two people missing from Love County 261 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: and you've got a law enforcement official that doesn't know 262 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: anything about it, and then you've got a sheriff that 263 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: ultimately gets arrested and convicted. So when did you first 264 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: start to realize or did you know from Jump Street 265 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: that law enforcement was going to be a hurdle. 266 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: I think we knew that it was going to be 267 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: a problem as soon as he refused. The sheriff Joe 268 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: refused to take the police report from Mollie's mother that 269 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: her daughter was missing in his county. 270 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: Which is freaking bathfling. It's freaking baffling. He told the dispatcher. 271 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: He came out and talked to him. 272 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: When she got the call from Mollie's mother, she came 273 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: out to the vehicle and talked to him. I spoke 274 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: to this dispatcher personally. This is what she said that 275 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: when she went out there and told him, I had 276 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: Mollie Miller's mother on the phone wanting to report her 277 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 3: daughter missing. And he said, that's not my problem, that's 278 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: Carter County's problem or Wilson's problem. I don't recall if 279 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: it was Wilson or car but anyway, he refused to 280 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: take it. So she took it upon herself to make 281 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: up flyers and hang them up in the Sheriff's department. 282 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: That deputy, who had no knowledge of the missing people, 283 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: well he knows Kahn, he knows his moo, so he 284 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: knew exactly where to go. He went to a resident's 285 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 3: house that lives out there, asked them if he could 286 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: go out on their property, and so she went with 287 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: him and they drove out there on the back side 288 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: of her property that's going toward the Nips house, and 289 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: they found the car Mully and Colt had been in 290 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: on the adjacent property from her. It still was not 291 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 3: on the Knip property, but it was just across the 292 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: fence line from her property. They found the car. That 293 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 3: was two weeks to the day that that police chase happened. 294 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: The car belonged to Nip's girlfriend. 295 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: Correct, and she reported it stolen that morning of the choke. 296 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: Yes, she did. 297 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: So. 298 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Now I just want everybody to understand. They want us 299 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: to believe that the car was stolen and he whoever 300 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: stole it wregged it and put it on the adjacent 301 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: property of the owner. 302 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 2: Okay, that's never going to happen. 303 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's ludicrous flaws law enforcement. They saw him, 304 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: they knew who was driving, I mean, so that was 305 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: never going to work anyway. And she ended up getting 306 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: prosecuted for making a false report. 307 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 3: Correct, she did an insurance fraud. 308 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's go back to that night. 309 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: So they're missing and there are some calls made there's 310 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: a call made to nine one one, and there's some 311 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: calls made to friends. Take us through some of those calls. 312 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: On Molly's phone records. There's thirty three incoming and outgoing 313 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: phone calls to one person, and that's a guy by 314 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: the name of DJ, and he was out. He was 315 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 3: a friend of Colts. The belief is well, not the 316 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: belief I think he has stated in a police report 317 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: actually that he was speaking with Colts. So Colt was 318 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: using Molly's phone to call or call DJ, and DJ 319 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: calling back on that same number, and he actually went 320 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: out looking for them, but he was actually in the 321 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: wrong location. He was on Bear Hollow Road, not Long 322 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: Hollow Road. Got it, okay, Yeah, So he was out 323 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 3: searching and you know, was unable to locate them because 324 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 3: obviously he was in the wrong place. 325 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: So there is proof that someone spoke personally with Cold 326 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: and new an area to go search. 327 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Paula. 328 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: Was there ever a phone call where somebody spoke with 329 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: Mollie that morning? 330 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 3: I believe the call was six point thirty three in 331 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: the morning. She made a call to a friend asking 332 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 3: for a ride and they were unable to go get 333 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: her and then so I may be wrong on the 334 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: time spent. At nine point thirty three am, she spoke 335 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: to another friend of hers, the last person she spoke to, 336 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 3: and asked him if he was able to come and 337 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: pick them up, fun to how what happened and that 338 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 3: they were lost in the woods. He was at work 339 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: and was unable to leave work to go get them. 340 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: And then at nine point thirty nine am was the 341 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: last call Molly ever made from her phone. The rest 342 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 3: of the calls at that point were all incoming calls. 343 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: Colt's phone went dead at nine point fifty six am, 344 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: just minutes after Molly's phone went dead, and no other 345 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: calls were made from his phone either. 346 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: Now see this is where you know, I have this 347 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: burning need to understand that their call and friends saying 348 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: we're lost in the woods. Can y'all come get us? 349 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: How did they know where to tell people to come 350 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: get home? 351 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: Well, I believe they knew that they had gone down 352 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 3: long hollow road. I think, you know, I don't know 353 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: how much time Colt had spent out spent out there, 354 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: but I had heard that Mollie from Molly's friend. She 355 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: had told me that her and Molly had been out. 356 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: They're just a week or two prior to this happening, 357 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: so I think one of them knew the general vicinity 358 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: where they were. Now Colt, he made was talking with 359 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: a group of people that during the night and into 360 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: the morning hours as well. Those four people actually went 361 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: out there driving around honking their horn trying to find them, 362 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: and cult normally, I suppose we're ever able never heard 363 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: the car horn. And so those four people actually went 364 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 3: to kN Nip's house and Con was home, and they 365 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 3: spoke to him. They actually had Colt on the line 366 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: with them when they went to CON's house and they 367 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: asked Con where they were, and he told them that 368 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: he didn't know where they were. They're just messing with you, 369 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: nothing's wrong. And Cold apparently heard this and told one 370 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 3: of those one of them, to let him talk to Kahn, 371 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: and so he spoke to Kahn. And of course it's 372 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 3: a one sided story or one sided conversation. So anyway, 373 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: when Con handed the phone back to Rob, one of 374 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 3: the people that was there, he told him, do you 375 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: remember where we left the car? And what he means 376 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: by that. Just prior to this, him and another person 377 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 3: had stolen a Mustang and that Messtang they had ditched 378 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 3: in the woods just the same emo as this, And 379 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 3: so he told them, he told this Rob, he said, 380 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: they're near there. I know according to Rob's statement that 381 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: he asked Con can we walk across the property and 382 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: he told him no, you would have to go around. 383 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: So they went back around to Pike Road and was 384 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 3: going down Pike Road and he was about to come 385 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: over the fence or something. And now this is where 386 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 3: things get a little sketchy for me, because there's a 387 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 3: couple of different stories as to did he go on 388 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: over the fence and you know, and go out there 389 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: and start looking and then hear four wheelers coming, or 390 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: there's another story that Colt was very irate and screaming 391 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 3: at him and he just got that up and left, 392 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 3: you know, they all left. So but we have been able, 393 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: our law enforcement has been able to determine by his 394 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: phone records that him and the other people with him 395 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: left the area just shortly after that, after they had 396 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: gone to Coln's house. 397 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: I gotta say I got a little tiggled when you said, 398 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: now this is where it's a little sketchy. Okay, this 399 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: is where it gets sketchy. This whole thing from the 400 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: moment it occurred is sketchy to me. I mean, I've 401 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: driven that road, and I know I didn't grow up there. 402 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: I know I didn't raise friends out there or anything. 403 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: But the idea that somebody would be on those roads 404 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: going one hundred and twenty miles an hour is sketchy 405 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: because even when I was there, you know, there were deer, 406 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: there were cows outside the fence, that gravel would make 407 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: your fishtail. I mean, there's all kinds of things that 408 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: could go wrong going one hundred and twenty miles an 409 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: hour out there, and you know, the law enforcement having 410 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: no idea that somebody's missing in their county, much less 411 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: two young people. It's all over social media, but you 412 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: don't know it. You've got family calling, but nobody in 413 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: road call is telling y'all anything. 414 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: You've got a sheriff that refuses to take a police report. 415 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: You've got a NOW one one dispatcher saying, hey, we've 416 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: even had a butt dial of somebody basically saying they've 417 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: got information. Sheriff doesn't want to hear about that. Y'all 418 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: are doing the searching, y'all don't have any support from 419 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: law enforcement. Searching this whole area. You know, you've got 420 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: friends trying to find information out from Con and at 421 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: this point Con hadn't even. 422 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: Been interviewed by law enforcement. The whole thing is sketchy. 423 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 2: The whole thing is wrong. 424 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: Every time I hear any fact that occurred during that incident, 425 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: and the first not just two weeks, but the first 426 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: ten years, it's wrong. 427 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: It's off, it's not above board. 428 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: Over ten years, I can't tell you about one organized 429 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: search by law enforcement. There's not been one. There has 430 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: been the US marshals have gone out and searched that 431 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: as far as OSBI or Wilson or Carter County, Love County, 432 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: they have never organized to search. Any searches that were 433 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 3: organized was done by this family. 434 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: Well, I want to be very clear. 435 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: Somebody else should have been out there with a badge 436 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: that walked another one hundred feet. Somebody else should have 437 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: been out there with a badge and a helicopter and 438 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: drones and dogs. 439 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: That should have never fallen to y'all. 440 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately it did it as a result of it, 441 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: you know, we're ten years into this. July the eighth 442 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 3: is ten years, and just the fact that you and 443 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: I are sitting here talking after ten years and everybody 444 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: is still talking about Molly and Colt, you know, is 445 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: incredible to me and I am so grateful that we're 446 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: able to continue this conversation. People are still looking for her, 447 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: and as of November, after you guys were here and 448 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 3: we were out there on the ranch searching, then we 449 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: were notified that now the Bureau of Indian Affairs has 450 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 3: taken this case. Molly is a Chickasaw native and the 451 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: Bureau of Indian Affairs has now taken her case. There's 452 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: major movement going on in this case now, and it's 453 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: a result of keeping people talking about it that has 454 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: resulted in them becoming involved. 455 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you mean, and I am thrilled 456 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: to hear that, because you may remember that was my 457 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: number one suggestion. We've got to get the Bureau of 458 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: Indian Affairs involved, period. 459 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: Right, and it should have been done a long time ago, 460 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: and it's not for lack of trying, you know. I've 461 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: gone to the Chickasaw Nation myself, you know, and spoke 462 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 3: to them. It was a long time ago, and you know, 463 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 3: but it you know, one of their own is missing, 464 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: and I feel like something should have been done about 465 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: this a lot sooner. But now you know, hindsight is 466 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. It's all said and done. Now they're involved. 467 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: They have all the FBI's files, they have all of 468 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: osbi's files. They don't have mine. I have a drop 469 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: box full, but that's not you know that. I'm sure 470 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: they've got everything that I've got, except all the personal 471 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: stuff that I've obtained on my own MAC. I have 472 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 3: in my attic. I have in brown paper bags because 473 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: I was told when I collect evidence that I need 474 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: to put it in brown paper bags because it don't 475 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: obtain moisture and that kind of thing, right, So I 476 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: kept brown paper bags in my truck, and so when 477 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: I found things, I collected it. And there is one 478 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 3: search that I want to tell you about real quick. 479 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: I was down there. We were going to do a 480 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 3: search this particular weekend. It was years later, and I 481 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: had gotten word that OSBI had been down on Oswalt 482 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: Road in a ravine based on a tip that they 483 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: had received about a freezer in that ravine. So when 484 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: we had already planned a search, so when I got there, 485 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: I wanted to see this. Some friends and I we 486 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: drove out there. We found the freezer. And I don't 487 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: know if I said long hollow road, but I mean 488 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 3: Oswalt Road until we found this freezer. It was a 489 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: very very very deep ravine off a bridge, and so 490 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: we went down. In this ravine, we looked in the freezer. 491 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: There was nothing in this freezer that I turned around, 492 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 3: looked down and there was bones scattered on the ground. 493 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: My cousin, my friend and I we were like, I 494 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: wonder if they saw this. I called the agent with 495 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 3: the OSBI and I told him where I was and 496 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 3: he asked me, how do you know about that? And 497 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: I said, well, it doesn't matter, but did you see 498 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: all these bones on the ground here? And he was like, 499 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: is there a skull? And I said no, And he said, 500 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: call me back when you find a skull, my lord. 501 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: I hung up from him. We started going through this 502 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 3: piece by piece. In this pile, we also found a 503 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: messenger bag with phones. Inside the messenger bag, we also 504 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 3: found a Turner High school T shirt that's where con 505 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: Nip went to school. Nobody was ever interested in my 506 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: bones that I collected. And now when I got back 507 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: to my friend's house, we laid every bone out and 508 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 3: photographed every bone beside money like a quarter or a 509 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: dollar or whatever. We've got it all photographed, but you know, 510 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: and then put in backs. But the fact of the 511 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: matter is nobody was interested in these bones that were 512 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: found inside a messenger bag along with a T shirt 513 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: that says turn our high school on it. I'm not 514 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 3: saying that that's molly and cult, but given the circumstances, 515 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 3: don't you think we should check? See? These are the 516 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 3: things that we have had to deal with for ten years. 517 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 3: You know, it's like if you didn't find a skull, 518 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: you know, we're not interested kind of thing. 519 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: Do you still have the bones? 520 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 3: Oh? I do? 521 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I think we know what we're going to do. 522 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: We need to get them identified as human or animal, 523 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: and then we need to get some DNA and we 524 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: need to find out something we can do with you 525 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: very easily. There are private labs that will help us. 526 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: One of my good friends is a forensic anthropologist. She 527 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: can look at those bones and tell us in five 528 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: seconds if they're animal or human. If they're human, then 529 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: there's private labs that can extract that DNA and let's 530 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: go to work and then it's ancestral from there. 531 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 3: Wow. 532 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: So phase one. Let's get them identified. So if you've 533 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: got a couple of those photographs you can send to me, 534 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: I will send to her. I know that this is 535 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: not an easy way to spend your day, and it 536 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: brings up everything and it's sad, but we got a 537 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: plan right now, Sugar. Yes, we give you some answers. Okay, okay, 538 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: well yea. 539 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: I would absolutely like to just if it's not something 540 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 3: I need to hold on to, I need to let 541 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: it go. You know what I mean, because I've had 542 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: it for like seven years, so I need to let 543 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 3: it go. But I can't. And I appreciate you guys 544 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 3: and everything that you do. You know, I want to 545 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 3: mention that we're having a ten year I don't even 546 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: know what you would want to call it, but we're 547 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 3: going to meet at the Love County Courthouse on July 548 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: the eighth, from about six to nine. We're going to 549 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 3: have a candlelight vigil. We're going to just get to 550 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 3: know Molly's angels and you know, just go and remember 551 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 3: Cole to Mollie. You know, if anybody would like to attend, 552 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 3: we would love to have them and meet them. The 553 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 3: support that we've received over these ten years, has been incredible, y'all. 554 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I 555 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: always do with a quote. Sometimes, when one person is missing, 556 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: the whole world see depopulated, and that's from French poet 557 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: I finds de la Martine. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this 558 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: is Zone seven.