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Speaker 1: so much to everybody who reached out on my birthday yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Uh it was so nice. It was really nice. I

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Speaker 1: a better birthday gift. No serious, honestly, what a present

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Speaker 1: it really was. It was just it was just such

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Speaker 1: seeing all those getting all these kind messages, all of

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Speaker 1: We got some fun do ye um. Danny got me

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Speaker 1: get into this story today. We're going somewhere we haven't

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Speaker 1: been in a while, that's true. Yeah, we're going to Africa, baby, Yes,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about Njinga of Dongo and Matomba,

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Speaker 1: who was a badass queen. She ruled for nearly four

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Speaker 1: like many rulers, she has a really complicated legacy. But

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Speaker 1: She managed to fight off Portuguese colonization using a combination

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Speaker 1: Portugal bow to the Double Queen. Yeah, let's go pay

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Speaker 1: their French colu. Well, Elia and Diana got stories to tell.

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Speaker 1: There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships,

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio? All right, before we kick it off,

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Speaker 1: of Angola Um. So we'll note when we find quotes

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Speaker 1: But Jinga, like you said, was like no, I told

422
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: you before, We are not conquered people. So she refused

423
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: to pay these tributes. And more than that, she sent

424
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: messengers to all the Portuguese plantations and told the workers

425
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: there that they escaped and came to in Dongo to

426
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: join her, they would be considered free. Now the Portuguese

427
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: started to lose so much manpower as all these slaves

428
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: and workers just slipping through the cracks to run back

429
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: to Windongo, that they complained about Jinga and said she

430
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: wasn't holding up her end of the peace treaty and

431
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: returning their escaped slaves, as she had promised to do.

432
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: But Jinga looked around and said, oh, you want me

433
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: to send back the escaped slaves. Of course I will,

434
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: I said I would. But she looked around and said,

435
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: but my kingdom doesn't have any Well you're talking about

436
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: all these folks back here. Well, they can't be slaves,

437
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: they're free. Woops, Sorry, I got nothing to send you

438
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: too bad, so sad. Now, obviously this made Jinga look

439
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: like a total boss. So many of those sobas, the

440
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: aristocrats who had been lured the Portugal side, they came

441
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: right back to her. She was gaining strength by the day.

442
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: That made Portugal or Real nervous. So they decided to

443
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: do what any powerful country does in the face of

444
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: a nation that doesn't want to do as it's toll

445
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: prop up a public government that will give him whatever

446
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: they want. So the Portuguese army dispatched some soldiers to

447
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: protect one of these sobas. His name was harri Akilwanji,

448
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: and they put him forward as a replacement king for Jinga.

449
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: A Kilowanji was one of these guys who was all

450
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: worked up about Jinga being a woman. You know, he's

451
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: running around like guys, I just don't understand how a

452
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: lady can rule. I mean, her tits will get in

453
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: the way something. But he was a real threat because

454
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: he actually was descended from the royal line somewhere in

455
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: his ancestry. So he was kind of a good choice

456
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: that the Portuguese had landed on. He could get a

457
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: lot of support. Jinga sent some soldiers to crush this

458
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: little rebellion, but it didn't work, and that made some

459
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: of these wishy washy sobas change their minds again. And

460
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: that weekend Jinga's claim, I'm picturing that scene in Hook

461
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: when Rufio draws the line in the sand and he's like,

462
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: who's with me? And who's with this fake pan? And

463
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: they keep running back and forth. I'm back and forth.

464
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: That's the sobas, remember detailed moments from Hook, Right, whatever listened,

465
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: somebody was nodding through that what he was nodding. So

466
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: Jinga tried negotiating with Portugal while she's secretly gathering her

467
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: forces together. But the Portuguese kind of saw through that.

468
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: They said, Satan's done waiting, and they declared Kilauangi the

469
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: rightful King of Dongo and then declared outright war on Jinga.

470
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Now things looked pretty desperate for in Jinga. She and

471
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: her followers had to flee the capital to some islands

472
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: on the Kwanza River. Battles raged, but she was outnumbered

473
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: by the Portuguese and she suffered a lot of defeats.

474
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Things started to look up when Harry kilauanj died of smallpox.

475
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: So the Portuguese needed a new king and they backed

476
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: anothern Donga noble named nag Lahari, and he wasn't a

477
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: very popular choice, but he still had the support of

478
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: the Portuguese and the more powerful and Donga noble. Jinga

479
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: tried negotiating again. She offered them four hundred slaves as

480
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: a gift, and she said she'd even start paying those

481
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: tributes to Portugal that she hated so much, as long

482
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: as they declared her the rightful queen. You know she's

483
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: at the end of her row. But they said, no,

484
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: too late. You are going to have to not only

485
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: pay those tributes, but you're going to have to submit

486
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: to our chosen king, nag Lahari. You lick my boots,

487
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: kissed the ring, so on and so on. Shinga. Obviously,

488
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: she would rather die in battle than do any of

489
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: that ship, so she just kept on fighting. But her

490
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: forces were depleted. Some accounts say she had less than

491
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: two hundred soldiers. Even worse, both of her sisters, Fungi

492
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: and Kumbo were captured and imprisoned in Luanda, and this

493
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: devastated her. But then an interesting message arrived for her.

494
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: It was from the powerful in bangal And warlord named Kassanji.

495
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: Remember these are the guys who initially invaded back when

496
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: her brother was king. He kind of had a loose

497
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: agreement with them, but it always fell apart. These are

498
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: the tough guys next door. This guy had been an

499
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: enemy of Dongo for years. He was actually the one

500
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: who routed in Bandi from Kasaba and established his own kingdom. Yeah,

501
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: the kingdom of Kasanji. Well, he still had his own

502
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: kingdom along the Kwanza River and he was sick to

503
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: death of the Portuguese. So he went to Jinga and

504
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: set have an alliance. You got my warriors and you're smarts.

505
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: We can really get rid of these Portuguese and that

506
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 1: asshole that took over the crown from you. But she

507
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: would have to marry him and conform to his way

508
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: of life and leave behind any symbols of her own power.

509
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: That's right, I guess it was like this large bell

510
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: that was symbolically carried by the leader of Dongo went

511
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: to battle, and he was like, you gotta leave that

512
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: type of song um and sably. Kind of surprisingly, Jinga

513
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: accepted this proposal. She married Kasanji, and she was inducted

514
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: into Imbongala society because it basically like a Sparta type situation.

515
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: They're like highly militarized society, very much into getting as

516
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: tough as possible. Wheaties really eat your wheaties society. My

517
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: nation is more of a fruit loops nation nation. We're

518
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: about having a good time a lot of variety here.

519
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: I like that. I wouldn't be in the fruit loops nation.

520
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: What's up, Fruities, Thanks for tuning into fruit loops Nation.

521
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: I was trying to decide if I would prefer to

522
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: be called a fruity or a loopy. Oh yeah, well

523
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: that's the that's the in fighting. The people of the

524
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: fruit loops Nation eventually split into fruities and loopy's. You'd

525
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: think it'd be more chill over it gets very ugly. Dang. Yeah,

526
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: one of the most one of the most catastrophic wars

527
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: in history was between the Fruities and the Loopies. Yeah,

528
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: resuilted in a high fruit toast corncyrup personing. So yeah,

529
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: they were more of a meritocracy. Like if you were

530
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: like a high level person and in Mongaland's society and

531
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: you had a kid, your kid had to join the

532
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: war camp as an equal with everybody else in the

533
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: war camp. They had to prove themselves just like anybody else,

534
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: didn't matter who their daddy was or whatever. So they

535
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, she liked that because she had been told

536
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: all this time, you're a woman, you can't be doing

537
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: all this cool ship, and she's like, but I am

538
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: doing it, so it shouldn't account for something. Now, this

539
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: is another part of Jinga's story that's been somewhat obscured

540
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: by like a rumor and hearsay throughout the years, because

541
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: her legend includes little tidbits like how she would eat

542
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: the hearts of her enemies, or how she would decapitate

543
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: slaves before battle and drink their blood, like real crazy

544
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and more than likely, like a lot

545
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: of these more lurid rumors is just the Western historical

546
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: record trying to make her look bad, and we've also

547
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: seen that many, many times in many stories. However, there

548
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: is a grain of truth in these ones because there

549
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: were customary in Bengal and rituals that she did more

550
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: than likely participate in, including a blood oath ceremony where

551
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: she had to drink human blood or the muggy as

552
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: Samba initiation that includes the use of an oil made

553
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: from a slain infant. History of Royal Women says that

554
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: the ritual required you to kill your own child and

555
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: make an oil to anoint yourself, but since Zena had

556
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: no children, she had to take the child off of

557
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: one of her concubines and kill that one instead. Yeah,

558
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: that's gross, don't love it. Um. But I also was like,

559
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: it's so funny when you hear the words drink human blood,

560
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: because you always imagine like a crazy, like big coconut

561
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: full of it or something, and it's like a huge amount.

562
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: It might have just be a little, just a little

563
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: couple drops on your tongue. It might not have been

564
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. It's just one of those things.

565
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we exaggerate the volume of blood that's required.

566
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: Didn't we just watch something where they were like, oh,

567
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: we make a we're blood brothers. Now are going to

568
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: be bound in blood. And one guy like pricks his

569
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: finger and the other one like they split your whole

570
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: hand open, like I can't stop bleeding. And they had

571
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: a spraying everywhere. One of my favorite things to happen

572
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: on stage, spraying blood. Classic. One time we did a

573
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: show where they had to vomit, I think, and y'all

574
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: had rigged up a fire extinguisher, so it was this

575
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: insanely powerful streaming out of this person. It was so gross,

576
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: the whole thing where there's a tube coming out their

577
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: sleeve and it runs down their costume and out their

578
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: leg and off stage somewhere, and every time you hold

579
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: your hand up to your mouth, just somebody backstage pulls

580
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: the trigger. And it was like, yeah, very intense, violent show,

581
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: so funny now by all accounts, Jenga did incredibly well

582
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: with the I Bengala uh because she's a badass already,

583
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: so they respected that and she even became a warlord

584
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: in her own right. Then she invaded the Kingdom of Matamba,

585
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: where she had spent a few years, and she conquered them.

586
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: Oh thanks for your hospitality. I'm back. I loved it

587
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: here so much, and I decided to take over. But

588
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: instead of executing the queen of Matamba, which was an

589
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: Imbongalan tradition they always executed their conquered rulers, Jinga showed

590
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: mercy and she just branded her as a common slave instead.

591
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: So kind. But now Jinga had a stable power base,

592
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: so she turned her attention to expanding the slave trade

593
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: within her own borders. This served a double purpose. Firstly,

594
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: by selling slaves, she raised the money to buy arms

595
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: and ammunition, very important. Secondly, by controlling the slave trade,

596
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: she denied the Portuguese their source of income. Plus, people

597
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: started calling her the double Queen, which is just cool.

598
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: That's just a cool thing to happen. I know we

599
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: were going to get a double queen, but it just

600
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: won't fit in our room. Oh you. She also started

601
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: dressing in masculine clothes and insisting that people call her

602
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: king instead of queen. She even took a male wife.

603
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: So this has to do with a wider and very

604
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: interesting conversation about societal expectations of roles like wife and

605
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: husband and king and queen and in many parts of Africa,

606
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: women were female husbands or female kings because that conferred

607
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: different distinctions and responsibilities. So it wasn't about what's between

608
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: your legs, but rather about what role you were taking

609
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: on in society, right. It was especially if you were

610
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: a childless woman, you would become a female husband and

611
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: you would have a wife. And there was a one

612
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: woman who did this whose brother was like her surrogate,

613
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: so she had children with her female wife, but her

614
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: brother is the one who impregnated her. However, as the

615
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: female husband, she was responsible for the kids and and

616
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Very very interesting, right, and so not

617
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: that uncommon for Jinga to be doing this. There's a

618
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: book called Boy Wives and Female Husbands, Studies in African

619
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: Homosexualities by Murray and Roscoe that goes into more detail

620
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: about that for anybody who might be interested. Really fascinating

621
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: of right. I love it too, because it's so interesting

622
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: to think about. When you say husband, it's just got

623
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: a different right you You're expecting a different thing from

624
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: that person than you're expecting from a wife. So the

625
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: gender of the people doesn't matter. It's like what I'm

626
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: expecting out of you or the king or queen thing

627
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: as well, So it's like it's more it's really just

628
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: interesting with our whole conversation about gender expression right now

629
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: and like what how you present and all that sort

630
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: of thing. I just found it really fascinating. I think

631
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: of you as kind of the male no, the female

632
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: husband around here, my female husband. You a male wife

633
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: or I feel like a husband? Oh no, no, no,

634
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm a male wife. Yeah. I mean I cook clean,

635
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: trying to make everything ready for you when you get home,

636
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: so you don't yell at me. I earned a lot

637
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: of money around here. We are in the same money now,

638
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: So for once, I'm finally coming into my own power,

639
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: my own autonomy. Here. You're welcome that I let you

640
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: be that independent than you. Maybe a little more uncommon

641
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: for Jingo was how she maintained a sixty man strong

642
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: harem throughout her lifetime, and she made some or all

643
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: of them dress in women's clothing. Meanwhile, her army was

644
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: full of women warriors, and her personal bodyguard were only women.

645
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: Another story says that she would make members of her

646
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: harem fight to the death for the right to sleep

647
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: with her each night, only to be killed off the

648
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: next morning. So you're really, it's just like you two

649
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: are gonna die, one of you gets laid first. Here's

650
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: some knives go now. This particular element is frequently dismissed

651
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: as hearsay, and considering that Amina of Nigeria was also

652
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: said to do the same thing we talked about her

653
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: in another episode, it does kind of seem unlikely because, again,

654
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the Western record can't really be trusted.

655
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: Because the Portuguese were just tripping all over themselves to

656
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: tell people back home about this woman who was so

657
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: oversexed and island and savage and all the people's of

658
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: darkest Africa needed to be drawn into the light of

659
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: the Lord or whatever it was. They made up a

660
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of stories like this exactly. Yeah, it served a

661
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: purpose to make her look crazy like that, So it's

662
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: likely not true. But she did have sixty men standing

663
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: around that she will be probably absolutely did pick from

664
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: each night and say you look good today. I guess

665
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I better reward you. I'll belie your birthday comethday. So

666
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: Jane is doing her utmost to control the slave trade

667
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: and rambo her army up, but she's also still sending

668
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: peace proposals to the Portuguese, asking for the release of

669
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: her sisters who were still being held captive in Luanda,

670
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: and suggesting a military alliance. But my conditions are you

671
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: have to let me back to Indongo as the rightful queen,

672
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: and again i am not paying a cent of tribute

673
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: as a vassal to Portugal. And also I'm not going

674
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: to convert back to Christianity. That was just for fun,

675
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: but Portugal still did not want to dance to her tune,

676
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: especially if she wasn't going to be the right religion.

677
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: So she's like, all right, she just shrug her shoulders

678
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: and continue to conquer the ship out of everything. She

679
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: eventually took over control of all the key slaves supplying areas,

680
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: which I'm not entirely sure what that means. I'm assuming

681
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: it's a poor region where you can just grab people up.

682
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: She even created an alliance with her people's traditional rival

683
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: to the north, the Kingdom of Congo. But she really

684
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: wanted her sisters back. They're still captured, You're still in there.

685
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: She's like, I really want them back. They're kind of

686
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: the only people she felt she could fully trust in

687
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: her life. An opportunity struck when the Dutch arrived, because

688
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: they already didn't like Spain and Portugal from way back.

689
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: So she's like, great, some white people who also don't

690
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: like the same white people that I don't. Let's get together.

691
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: So she offered an alliance, and she opened up the

692
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: slave trade to the Dutch and they agreed to back

693
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: her up with the Portuguese. She was also able to

694
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: get messages to and from her sister Fungi, who started

695
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: spying on her Portuguese captors for Jinga. In sixteen forty one,

696
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: the Dutch and the Congo together defeated the Portuguese and

697
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: drove them out of Lawanda. Triumphant, Jinga immediately consolidated the

698
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: slave trade under her own rule, and it wasn't long

699
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: before she had a formidably sized army, a lot of

700
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: wealth lining her pockets, and of course her famous reputation

701
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: as a total badass. With all that, she was able

702
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: to regain most of her lost Dongan territory and her

703
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: sister Kumba. By sixteen forty four, she got one of

704
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: her sisters out of there, the other one spying for

705
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: her do an awesome job, and she's got a bunch

706
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: of this land back that her dad had been trying

707
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: to get so this has been decades in the making.

708
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: But our girl also got bit by the expansionist bug.

709
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: Kind of a bad idea. She started conquering land in

710
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: Congo that had never been part of her territory and

711
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: that really piste off the King of Congo, Garcia the Second.

712
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: And this was nerve racking because they had a very

713
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: tentative alliance between the Congo and the Dutch and the Dongan's,

714
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: and the Dutch had to come in and be like, listen, guys,

715
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: y'all are our only friends around here, please don't fight

716
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: all Jinga's many w's had the and Donga nobility declaring

717
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: their everlasting loyalty. We'll stay along that last, which meant

718
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Jinga got tributes for slaves from them, which she turned

719
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: around and sold to the Dutch for firearms. And by

720
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: sixty eight, everyone including the Portuguese, knew that Jinga was

721
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: the big bad. She was the final boss in the region.

722
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: No one above her, we all below her. But she

723
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: couldn't stay on top forever. And we'll hear more right

724
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: after this welcome back. So jingas on top. She's crushing it.

725
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: But a lot of things went wrong at the same time,

726
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: she lost two big battles, but the Portuguese. In one,

727
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: her sister Kumba was recaptured, and unfortunately, this revealed the

728
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: fact that their sister Fungi was spying for Jenga and

729
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: that she had revealed important Portuguese battle plans. They retaliated

730
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: by drowning Fungi in the river Kuanza. Jinga was devastated,

731
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: but before she could even recover from that, another crushing

732
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: blow quickly followed. The Dutch, whose presence was already being

733
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: weakened the area due to political infighting, found themselves defending

734
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: Luanda from a new Portuguese expedition, and they were losing badly.

735
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Unbeknownst Djinga, the Dutch sued for peace and they agreed

736
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: to evacuate Luanda. So when Jenga and her army showed

737
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: up to back them up in battle, they're like, we're here, everybody,

738
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: let's fight. They're like, oh, so sorry, we already signed

739
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: a peace treaty. They were like already sailing away like

740
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: a way eaving to her from her. But she's like,

741
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: what you didn't get my voicemail. That's so crazy to

742
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: show up to back them up. And they're freaking gone.

743
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: So Jingo was forced to retreat back to Matomba. But

744
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: even so, she had regained and held on to her

745
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: Dongan lands. And since she had concentrated so much the

746
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: slave trade in Matomba, she had increased its economic importance

747
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: in the area too. Both of her kingdoms were doing

748
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: pretty well, pretty impressive. Some people can't keep one kingdom together,

749
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: let alone too. All she had to do was sell

750
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of peoples. So a lot of this was,

751
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: you know, making her pretty popular amongst her people. But

752
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: she also caused some controversy because she started adopting a

753
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: lot of Christian tradition. I remember she had converted for

754
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: political reasons. In the past few years, she had refused

755
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: to return to Christianity also for political reasons, and now

756
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: she's in her mid sixties and she decided to convert

757
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: back to Christianity again for political reasons. In an article

758
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: titled Queens of Infamy, Zinga and Terryalt writes that after

759
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: a battle with Congo, Jenga's forces captured several people, including

760
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: two Spanish Capuchin monks, and Jena granted freedom to these

761
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: missionaries within her camp because unlike all the other missionaries

762
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: she had met, these guys, weren't you know, telling her like, well,

763
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: just let Portugal do whatever they want, that you know,

764
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: you need to be with God and so on. They

765
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: really kind of had a less sympathy for her position.

766
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: They were like, yeah, you lived here first, and it's

767
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of weird that we're coming in. One of these

768
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: monks even became her lifelong personal secretary, so they had

769
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: a really good relationship with her, and Terry Alt writes quote,

770
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: thanks to the arrival of the Capuchins, she conceived of

771
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: a bold new plan to develop her relationship with Rome

772
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: and convince the Pope to recognize her as a bona

773
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: fide Christian ruler. After all, if she had the support

774
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: of the almighty Vatican, surely the Portugue could no longer

775
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: challenge her right to the throne, and so began Jinga's

776
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: strategic reconversion to Christianity in order to beat the colonizing

777
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Catholics at their own game. That meant that she increasingly

778
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: relied on Christian converts in her court and among her advisers.

779
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: But it also meant that if you did not convert,

780
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: or you kind of if you were complained about the

781
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: direction that the country was going. She bit back um

782
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: She empowered Christian priests to burn temples and shrines of

783
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: her opposers. She even captured traditional in Bunden and i

784
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: bongal In priests and sold them as slaves, personally requesting

785
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: that they be shipped overseas, and then used the money

786
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: from their sale to build a Catholic church, which just

787
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: feels like insult to injury. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah. Finally,

788
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: in sixty one, peace talks resumed between Jinga and the Portuguese.

789
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: They have been at war for about twenty five years now,

790
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: and both sides we're just tired of it and it's like,

791
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: this is boring thing, counts please, Plus, the Portuguese had

792
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: been fighting a whole other war with Spain for ten

793
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: years at this point, and they really needed to concentrate

794
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: on that. So Portugal seated some land to in Jinga

795
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: and she seated some land to them, and they agreed

796
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: to back each other up if anybody's enemies ever came through,

797
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: and Jinga had to make sure that all the babies

798
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: born in her kingdom were baptized, while the Portuguese agreed

799
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: to concentrate the slave trade within her borders. Stuff like that,

800
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: scratching each other's backs here exactly as usual. The Portuguese

801
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: included a little note that said that Matomba had to

802
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: pay tribute as a vassal of Portugal, and as usual,

803
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: Jinga ignored that little part and it was never ratified.

804
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: After four years of negotiations, the peace treaty was finally signed.

805
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Jinga's sister Komba, who was now named Barbara because she

806
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: had also inverted to Christianity, was released and she reunited

807
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: with Jinga again. Now that it was peacetime, a lot change.

808
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: Jena ended all of the wartime traditions, which included stuff

809
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: like forbidding anyone within her war camp to have children,

810
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: for example. Um but it also ended some of the

811
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: more democratic and merit tocratic practices that she had liked

812
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: so much as an exiled woman trying to reclaim her throne.

813
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: Now that she had her throne, she saw all that

814
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: stuff as a threat to the monarchy. Power corrupts, Ain't

815
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: that the way it always is? Just like, hey, we

816
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: need to make it easier to change our government. I'm

817
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: going to get in charge to make it easier and

818
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: then you get in charge and you're like, okay, now

819
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: we'd better make it harder to change the government because

820
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: I like being here. This is pretty comfortable. No, no,

821
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: but it's me now, you see that's different. I'm a

822
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm a good one of the good ones. Jena also

823
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: stopped wearing men's clothes. She became more feminine in her

824
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: old age, so maybe the masculine clothes were just a

825
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: way to be like, don't discount me. She reformed her

826
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: legal code because she's still trying to be recognized as

827
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: the rightful ruler in the wider Christian Western world. Big

828
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: triumph when she received a letter from Pope Alexander being like,

829
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: oh man, you were doing so great at christianizing your nation,

830
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: wishing you all the best. So on. It's like a

831
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: letter from the corporate office being like this Taco bell

832
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: is doing exceptionally well. Amazing job. Employed a month. But

833
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: she basically was able to hold it up, being like,

834
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: see told y'all internationally recognized political player in the house,

835
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, So that was really you know, kind of

836
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: backed up her claim. But since hers was now a

837
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Christian nation, she also had to abolish the tradition of

838
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: concubine ege and we know she loves that because she

839
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: has sixty of them herself. And the peasants would not

840
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: do it unless the nobles did it, and the nobles

841
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it unless Jinga did it. According to the

842
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: History of Royal Women dot Com. They complained that Jinga

843
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: quote kept more husbands and more lovers than we have wives,

844
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: and they were like, I only have twenty ladies. You know,

845
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: it's sixty dudes, so probably giving a long suffering sigh,

846
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: like the sacrifices I make for my country. And at

847
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: the tender age of seventy four, Jinga chose her favorite concubine,

848
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: a beautiful decades younger man named Sebastiao, and married him

849
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: in a Christian ceremony in February of sixteen fifty seven. Well, beautiful,

850
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, love finds itself in many different forms, So

851
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: true everyone, how did you get together? So how did

852
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: you two met? Well, funny story. I had a harem

853
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: of sixty men. Country insisted I get rid of them.

854
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: Pretty cool for Sebastia to be chosen like those, So

855
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: maybe there's some real love here. Speculation station there was

856
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: named some real love here because she's married a couple

857
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: of times just for gain, and now she picked her favorite.

858
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: So maybe she really had some tender feelings for this guy.

859
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: That's a sweet way to think of it. I'm gonna

860
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: my stop in speculation station is that it was more

861
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: like a bachelorrette kind of thing, and they all had

862
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: to compete with each other. They each had to go

863
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: on one date, and she was like, I will choose

864
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: the best. They they're all ship talking each other, trying

865
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 1: to dig up each other's dark past. Now I would

866
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: watch this like a historic, historical fiction bachelor show with

867
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: Jinga and her sixty man. Honestly, I would watch that.

868
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: Let's get on it so if anyone's listening, we'll make

869
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: it one of our nineties shows. In our deal that

870
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: we have with HBO, we are pitching like crazy. So

871
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: Jinga had achieved everything she'd ever wanted. She was the rightful,

872
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: internationally recognized queen of not only her hereditary homeland of Dongo,

873
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: but also Matomba. Her nation was prosperous, independent and stable,

874
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: and now all that was left was to figure out

875
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: who would come next. The older she got, the more

876
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: worried about this she was. She was afraid that somebody

877
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: would come in and upset her very carefully built Christianity

878
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: apple carts to get the Portuguese all worked up and

879
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: just you know, throw it all into the wind. So

880
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: she named her sister Coomba now Barbara, as her heir.

881
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: In October of sixteen sixty three, Jinger got sick with

882
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: a throat in fiction. By December, it had spread to

883
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: her lungs. She died in her sleep on December seventeenth

884
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: of sixteen sixty three and was laid to rest with

885
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: great ceremony. Antario says that Jinga made clear that she

886
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: wanted a Christian burial. She writes quote After she died,

887
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: Jinga's body was carefully washed by her attendants, who anointed

888
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: it with herbs, perfume, and powders. Her hair was styled

889
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: with corals, pearls, and feathers, and her crown was placed

890
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: on her head. Her limbs were loaded down with jewelry

891
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: and arrangements of elephant hair, a symbol of royalty. Her

892
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: body was wrapped in two richly wrought brocade cloths, and

893
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: velvet slippers were placed on her feet. Then, mindful of

894
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: her instructions, her attendants replaced all this with a habit,

895
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: a crucifix and a rosary, though they left her hair

896
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: and crown as they were. This ceremonial dressing and redressing

897
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: represented a middle ground between the two traditions. Jinga had

898
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: spent decades navigating. I kind of love that that they

899
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: kind of did both would give you both. It's pretty cool.

900
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna do one, undo it and then to the other.

901
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: The poor funeral guys were like, oh god, I gotta

902
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: do this twice. You know, only get paid for one

903
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: job here. I get paid by the body, not by

904
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: the clothes. That's the queen, alright, the double queen should

905
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: get married, Go get the crucifix. Now. Now, you know,

906
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: as we've told her story, you can see her legacy

907
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: is very confident. Yet, I mean, she's super badass and

908
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: cool and there's a lot to like about her. A

909
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: lot of slave stuff that's a little bit more like

910
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: it's like slein infants, some blood drinking and stuff is

911
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: sort of like hey, yeah, yeah, well again. A lot

912
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: of the over sex, blood drinking rumors that abound about

913
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: her today came from one Portuguese guy who wrote a

914
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: biography about about her in like the seventeen hundreds after

915
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: she was dead. It became a sensation in the West,

916
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: but it had very little basis in fact, and a

917
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: lot of basists in disliking an African queen who refused

918
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: to be conquered. Now for Angola, which by the way,

919
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: this area in Dongo and Matamba is now what is

920
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: called Angola, because was the name for king or ruler, right,

921
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: that's right, And the Portuguese misunderstood that when they heard it,

922
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: they thought it was the name of the country, so

923
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: they were like, anglad to everybody. And but it's called

924
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: that now translation error. So for Angola. Jenga is still

925
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: remembered as a great ruler, a brilliant military strategist, and

926
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: a certified badass. She's often called the mother of the nation.

927
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: And after all the hullabaloo that Dongo had put her

928
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: through about having a woman in charge, everything changed after

929
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: Jinga and the one hundred and four years after her death,

930
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: women ruled for eighty of them, so she kind of

931
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: like just blew all that problem out of the water.

932
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: They were like, I mean, what do you know, We've

933
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: got a great example of a great queen, So I

934
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: guess it's fine. Within those hundred and four years, twenty

935
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: four of them were men. If they were like, oh no,

936
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: here comes a guy again. We all know men can't

937
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: rule here. They're too emotional. I mean, and Bundy did.

938
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: He's out here just flailing around. In nineteen five and

939
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Gola shook off the Portuguese once and for all and

940
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: gained their independence, and they used Jinga as a symbol

941
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: for their nation's independence. And that's when scholars got interested

942
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: in Jinga's story and they finally started fact checking all

943
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: this stuff that was written about. There is a street

944
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: named for her in Luanda. And in two thousand two,

945
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: Angola put up a statue of Jinga, and women like

946
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: to get married next to it, or at least have

947
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: like newly wet photos taken next to it, like you

948
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: would with your mom and dad. They would have it

949
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: taken with Jinga, maybe as a subtle message to the fellas,

950
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: like you might be my husband, but I inevitable look

951
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: at that, and I don't know. I'll say that. Anne

952
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: Terry Old said that the slave trade stuff. Apparently if

953
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: you look at historical records, she claims that the numbers

954
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: of slaves leaving Jinga's kingdom eventually dropped to zero, so

955
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: that maybe she, you know, was willing to use the

956
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: slave trade until she didn't need it as much anymore. However,

957
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: I could not find anything to back that up, and

958
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: it was seems odd to me that she would make

959
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: a monopoly in her kingdom and then there was no

960
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: slave slave trade there at all. I don't know that

961
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: I see that, So if any if anyone knows what

962
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: that is, I would love to hear more about that,

963
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: because I found it really interesting. It is interesting, and

964
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where it's like, maybe

965
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: she had to use the slave trade to get rid

966
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: of the you know, to to gain power to ultimately

967
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: get rid of the Portuguese, and it was like, you know,

968
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: a good end game for her to do terrible things.

969
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: I think when you do that, you also accept that

970
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: people are going to have an opinion of you based

971
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: on those terrible things that you did. It's not always

972
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: just like, you know, ends justifying the means. It's also like, yeah,

973
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: but you still did those things and it's not cool, um,

974
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: but that's you know, that's that's reality, right, That's the

975
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: real history of especially war and conquest all these things,

976
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: is that like it's the good people do bad things

977
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: and bad people do good things, and it's very murky

978
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: and muddled. Yeah, And I know Anne Harry Old had

979
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: also said, like, you know that she up in a

980
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: place where it's incredibly common, she had slaves of her own,

981
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, so and so forth. You know, I I

982
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: have said before, I hate that, like woe is different

983
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: in her time or their time or whatever. But it's

984
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: not untrue. And the main thing is, it's just interesting

985
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: that we're so willing to muck around in the complicated

986
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: legacies of a lot of Western kings and queens, but

987
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: we don't care to learn about the African kings and

988
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: queens who did very similar good and bad things and

989
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, kind of see see what their deal was,

990
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Instead, we're like we're just

991
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: talking about them drinking blood and stuff and yeah, yeah,

992
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: treating them more harshly then Thomas Jefferson, you know, like exactly. Yeah,

993
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: I'll say too that I had a little bit I

994
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: was felt a little bit like uh, ambivalent or whatever

995
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: about the Christianity conversion because to me, I know that

996
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: the Portuguese did not actually conquer Dongo and Matamba because

997
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: they had to negotiate with her as an equal. She

998
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: got to maintain her authority and all that. But they

999
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: also kind of got what they wanted because she converted

1000
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: her whole country and that's sort of what they were

1001
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: going for. So it feels like they got she. They

1002
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: kind of did get colonaiesed in a different way. And

1003
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: of course it's her prerogative to have whatever religion she

1004
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: wants and everything, you know. I was just like, I

1005
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: don't know, it kind of feels a little whatever. They

1006
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: didn't conquer her militarily, but in the marketplace of ideas whatever. Yeah,

1007
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: and the country did not democratically switched to Christianity. It

1008
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: was not like something we all agreed on. It was okay,

1009
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: from now when all our babies are getting baptized. Yeah, yeah,

1010
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: I think that's true. So I was kind of like,

1011
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: see saw and about that one. I do want to

1012
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: make sure that we zero in a little bit on

1013
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: I think the ridiculous romance that sort of spiraled out

1014
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: into this story for us a couple of places, both

1015
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: when she married, um obvious, when she married the Bengala

1016
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: Costa Cosa just for that little that little trick, and

1017
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: she just bailed on him after that. Yeah, I think

1018
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: so pretty much. Hopefully he found love. We're up there

1019
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: for years. Kasa was like, I'm swearing off love. It

1020
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: will never happen for me again. Where's Kassa's Hallmark movie?

1021
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's like the scorned lover and he's like,

1022
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm done with love, you know what I mean. And

1023
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: then he goes home and he meets like a beautiful um,

1024
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, copywriter for a magazine or something, and Cake

1025
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: Baker and it's the same universe because he's like, oh,

1026
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: and my ex, the one who jilted me, she's on

1027
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: it's the spinoff show where she's doing a dating show.

1028
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: She's doing Bachelorette. Okay, we just need a whole history

1029
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: historical fiction channel where we get to just make up

1030
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: makeup shows like this. Sometimes I think if we're living

1031
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: in a simulation, that's all it is. There's just so

1032
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: many stories somebody came up with that they're just like

1033
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: they're just all happening all over the globe at once,

1034
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: and that's what we're living in. Yeah, so what I

1035
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: need is earth wide simulation. It's got to have like

1036
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: between six and eight billion people. Um, all these stories

1037
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: are happening simultaneously. It's the only way to fill them

1038
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: all in. So that's my plan. WO call me hbo.

1039
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: Let's get started on this. Let's get started on the

1040
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: worldwide simulation. Well, if you're excited to live in Eli simulation,

1041
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: or if you have any other comments about this episode,

1042
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: because it is, I mean, this is a really fascinating one.

1043
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: It was, it was it was really easy to look

1044
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: like her a lot, and then there was a hard

1045
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: other times when I was like, yeah, you know, she's

1046
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: not a cut and dried type of historical figure. But

1047
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: reach out to us, you know, we love hearing from you.

1048
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: Our email is ridic Romance at gmail dot com. That's right.

1049
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at

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Speaker 1: Oh great, it's Eli. I'm at Dynamite Boom and the

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Speaker 1: show is at ridic Romance, right, And if you want

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Speaker 1: to give Eli related first thank gifts, go on to

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts and give us a review and a rating

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Speaker 1: it right, we'd love it. Helps they're goodcovering the show.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, if it's bad, to keep it to yourself,

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Speaker 1: but if it's good, please do share. It helps people

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Speaker 1: discover the show, and we would love to have more

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Speaker 1: beautiful listeners like you. Thanks so much, I'll will catch

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Speaker 1: you the next episode. Love you so long. Friends, It's

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Speaker 1: time to go. Thanks so listening to our show. Tell

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Speaker 1: your friend's name's Uncle sandece to listen to a show

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