WEBVTT - Ep 71: Fat White Family

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everyone, welcome to Midnight Chats. Is is episode seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for downloading it. We know that there

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<v Speaker 2>are now one hundred million podcasts out there for you

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to. It's a very crowded marketplace, so the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you've taken the time to listen to this

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<v Speaker 2>one means a great deal to us. My name's Stuart,

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<v Speaker 2>and tonight my guests on the podcast are LEAs and

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Saudi, both from the South London band Fat White Family,

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<v Speaker 2>who I guess are a group who more than anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>or more than anyone else I can think of, who

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<v Speaker 2>have a reputation that tends to precede them, which is

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes a bit of a shame because that White Family

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<v Speaker 2>makes the really great records. But it might be that

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<v Speaker 2>you know more stories of outrage about Fat White Family

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<v Speaker 2>than you do songs. And a lot of that comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to the band's drug use and use of hard drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>which is something that to their credit, they have always

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<v Speaker 2>been very open about. They've never hidden anything. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>very honest and very forthcoming with that part of their

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<v Speaker 2>lives and how it affects them and the stress that

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<v Speaker 2>that puts upon the group and the relationships within the group.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do talk a bit about that within this

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<v Speaker 2>episode of the podcast. It seems like something that is

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<v Speaker 2>unavoidable talking about. But mainly the reason I met up

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<v Speaker 2>with LEAs and his brother Nathan was to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that brand new record. It came out today. It's their

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<v Speaker 2>third album. It's called Surf's Up and Today, being good Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>is the day that it's out, so you can you

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<v Speaker 2>can go and check out this record as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>you've finished listening to this episode of the podcast. The

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<v Speaker 2>main thing I guess we talk about is how the

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<v Speaker 2>group removed themselves from the South London scene where they

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<v Speaker 2>were getting so distracted and there was just a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of mess in their lives, and they moved up to

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<v Speaker 2>Sheffield into a house up there to record and make

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<v Speaker 2>this record together. We talk a lot about that, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is a warning that I have to let you

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<v Speaker 2>know about, which is towards the end of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Right at the end, there is a scaty logical story

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<v Speaker 2>from LEAs, which you know is pretty gross. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty gross story that involves human feces. Now that might

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<v Speaker 2>be something that you definitely do not want to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes up in the conversation towards the end,

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<v Speaker 2>you will be able to sense it. You will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to stop the podcast at that point. But equally,

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<v Speaker 2>if maybe you don't even want to risk that and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to stop listening now, as obviously completely fine.

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<v Speaker 2>We will see you next week at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you are still here, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fun in this podcast as well. I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>talking to Nathan and LEAs because you know, as a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of brothers, I have an older brother myself, and

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<v Speaker 2>brothers have got this weird tension about them, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a band as kind of chaotic as fat

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<v Speaker 2>White Family I imagined, So it was really nice to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to them. They had just come from rehearsal, or

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<v Speaker 2>they were about to go to a rehearsal they're rehearsing

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<v Speaker 2>this week near our office, so they came by and

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<v Speaker 2>I think they were feeling a bit stressed about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had a good time talking to them. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you to both the guys for coming in and

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed this episode of the podcast. Of course, as always,

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<v Speaker 2>please do subscribe if you like what you hear, check

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<v Speaker 2>back there seventy before this one, and next week we

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<v Speaker 2>have a very very glamorous guest. Glamorous is that right? Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go with that glamorous until then though.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is Fat White Family on episode seventy one Midnight Chats. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>as you say, you've just got kind of back into

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<v Speaker 2>like band world, You've had like a few weeks I

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<v Speaker 2>guess presents and stuff, and now you're kind of getting

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<v Speaker 2>back into like the rehearsals you're rehearsing this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then for when does the tour start?

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<v Speaker 4>Tour starts on May first.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got rehearsals this week.

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<v Speaker 4>And we got another home very nice, and then we

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<v Speaker 4>got another another like sort of session of rehearsals before

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<v Speaker 4>we begin the tour. I mean, I'd like to think

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<v Speaker 4>that we will still have the same lineup by tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what are you giving yourself?

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say it's like kind of six to one, six

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<v Speaker 4>to one. No, I'd say it's like I'd say, give

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<v Speaker 4>me a good life.

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<v Speaker 3>The seven three to what I'd say, it's a three

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<v Speaker 3>to one chance.

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<v Speaker 4>We make it to tour with the same membership that

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<v Speaker 4>you'll see on like a.

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<v Speaker 5>Posting one because there's seven people in the band and

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<v Speaker 5>the Bucky the house has to favor the best, So

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<v Speaker 5>the sixty one seven in the bend, I'm giving you

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<v Speaker 5>good ords.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's pretty pretty pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty cynical, but I mean, I'm I'm the book

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<v Speaker 4>keeper at the moment. Despite yeah, despite you know, initial

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<v Speaker 4>pangs of anxiety, I think we'll make it to May

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<v Speaker 4>first with the same lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>How does it feel to be kind of back into

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<v Speaker 2>this though, back into because it's been I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never done I've never done.

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<v Speaker 4>A promo season before really like this this thing, you

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<v Speaker 4>know where it's been like it feels like just months

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<v Speaker 4>and months of kind of like just talking about yourself

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, promoting and selling the record, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like which is which is what's kind of fun initially,

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<v Speaker 4>and then it's kind of I don't know, after after

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<v Speaker 4>a few months of it, you started to just become

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<v Speaker 4>all discombobulated and kind of detached, and you don't listen

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<v Speaker 4>to the thing for I haven't listened to it for ages,

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<v Speaker 4>wandering around talking and talking about this thing, and then

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<v Speaker 4>and then and then and then you've got to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of switch that video brain off and go into sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like playing again.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, right, this is the thing that we do. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just like I remind yourself what those songs

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<v Speaker 3>sound like.

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<v Speaker 4>You got to remind yourself what those songs sound like,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you're not like, you know, it's not your

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<v Speaker 4>job to sort of traveling around talking and you got

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<v Speaker 4>to get back into it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We always play in South London in like little club

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<v Speaker 4>nights and acoustic nights and stuff like that, so we're

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<v Speaker 4>always performing and working on things anyway, So I don't

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<v Speaker 4>feel like that much of a leap. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 4>a bit more pressure and a bit you know, a

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<v Speaker 4>bit more bit more time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it requires more time.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of like the last bout of shows,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess twenty sixteen, after kind of when you wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>up that record, I guess, yeah, and kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>you played that big show at Brixton Academy and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everything and kind of from the outside everyone around that

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<v Speaker 2>time thought that maybe like the band that was that

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<v Speaker 2>was it the band We're going to vanish now?

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it was over.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I guess how people kind of put it across,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the press were kind of saying that, and people

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<v Speaker 2>presumed that did it Did it ever feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>for you guys?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you always?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it did feel it did? Did it come close

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<v Speaker 2>to that being the end of it?

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<v Speaker 4>It was like, it's like it's like Terminator too, when

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<v Speaker 4>the things is all fucked in the bits or the

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<v Speaker 4>rubbles or spared slowly congealing back, it comes back together.

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<v Speaker 4>Got real bit it was really took ages. Really, it

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<v Speaker 4>was like, yeah, they fucked him up, like it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was bit of me all over the place. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's bitchy in New York by Campbell slowly sort of

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<v Speaker 4>worming its way back.

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<v Speaker 3>To form form fulness again. I guess that's a good

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<v Speaker 3>way to put it. But you knew it was going

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<v Speaker 3>to come back. I think, deep in my gut, I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of knew we'd get on with it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>what else we were going to do? You know? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it was of like kind of a lot

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Into it to just sort of throw it in the

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<v Speaker 4>burn and I don't know, yeah, I kind of we

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<v Speaker 4>signed a deal straight away and started planning on doing

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<v Speaker 4>the next thing straight away, So there wasn't a sort

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<v Speaker 4>of period of like we're not doing it anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>There was just a kind of like, all.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, well went from and liked that album, run to

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<v Speaker 5>stress about the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, but how we did it was the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>was painful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was like soul was gone. Right, you have

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<v Speaker 4>to just deal with that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, half the band are all on Heroin.

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<v Speaker 4>Have to just deal with that, and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 4>just a lot of problems and if you really if

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<v Speaker 4>you really really want to do it and you really

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<v Speaker 4>believe in what you're doing or whatever, then and also

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<v Speaker 4>if you're the added sort of sensation of never really

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<v Speaker 4>having kind of amounted to I don't know, maybe your

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<v Speaker 4>initial promise or whatever. I think that was a strong

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<v Speaker 4>feeling of kind of like we haven't really.

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<v Speaker 3>Delivered that way. It seems a little bit like it

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<v Speaker 3>was unfinished business that point.

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<v Speaker 4>A bit embarrassing to just finish at that point. It

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<v Speaker 4>would have been difficult to sort of what what are

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<v Speaker 4>we going to do now? Like after all that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of hulla balloo and like scorn we poured on like

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<v Speaker 4>everything else, it's kind of like it would be a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of a shame to go back to like making

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<v Speaker 4>pizzas or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, imagine Rocky Too. He comes out and loss.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he gets a spray, gets a spray before the

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<v Speaker 4>fight and just decides he doesn't want to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it develops a COLDI habit.

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<v Speaker 5>After pushing for that for a straw and Rocky One

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<v Speaker 5>comes out and Rocky Too.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, okay, yeah, a sub text problem out of that

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<v Speaker 4>half the lineup that was then at that moment, how

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<v Speaker 4>many how much of that band is still this band now?

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<v Speaker 3>Half? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's me, Nathan, Adam, Harmer, Sol Him Chevski obviously

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<v Speaker 4>that are kind of the the main group. And then

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<v Speaker 4>there's Alex White, who came in around that time but

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't like a full member, you know, who's now really

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<v Speaker 4>prominent and plays about like seventeen different when we finally

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<v Speaker 4>got we've finally got somebody in the band that knows

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<v Speaker 4>how to play music, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is really useful.

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<v Speaker 4>Really key Yeah, you can play He's got like a sax,

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<v Speaker 4>a barattzo and sax, two different keyboards. He's got this

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<v Speaker 4>because he's just surrounded by like instruments on one side,

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<v Speaker 4>of the stage, you can harmonize like impeccably with anything.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's that of our own ladies laziness as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm quite a difficult person to harmonize with

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<v Speaker 3>because I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really conventionally like sing very well, and often

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just sing completely different things every time, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>much to like the chagrin of Saul over the years.

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<v Speaker 4>But like Alex is so good at harmony. He just

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<v Speaker 4>clicks in almost like whatever he's doing. He's been he's

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<v Speaker 4>been a really great addition. He's a permanent member now

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<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>On your bassis.

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<v Speaker 4>We got a new but a new bassist, Adam Brennan,

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<v Speaker 4>who's kind of just been playing around the scene in

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<v Speaker 4>South London. He was in like twelve different bands. Like

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<v Speaker 4>when these guys who's just like obviously really hungry, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a great thing to have in a band. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he's always there like bang on time.

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<v Speaker 6>Thinking about crime, we've lost a few, we've lost a few,

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<v Speaker 6>gained a few, and you know, it's the same regime

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<v Speaker 6>as before where you know, if you completely fed up

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<v Speaker 6>mid tour, then.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you're going to get sacked, you know what.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it's like, no, I don't really have any

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<v Speaker 4>there's no other way to do it. I don't see

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<v Speaker 4>any other way of doing it. I don't see any Do.

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<v Speaker 2>You find those conversations when you have to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>give someone their march in orders?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you find it easy to do? Hard to do? Not?

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<v Speaker 3>Not a nice meal? Like in Jenny maguire take them

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<v Speaker 3>down to Nando's. You brought me the Nandos to fire me?

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<v Speaker 3>Your son up a bitch?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean, I mean Saul was the worst, but

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<v Speaker 4>we just got our tour manager to do that, which

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<v Speaker 4>we got Pete Hamley to do that. Man, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>it was the the thing becomes so sour at that point,

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<v Speaker 4>just so.

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<v Speaker 3>Bitterly bitterly sour. It was just like that was awful.

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<v Speaker 4>But I mean the one get in the van other

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<v Speaker 4>than other than other than that, it's kind of like,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you've just come in the band, or

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<v Speaker 4>you've been in for a year or whatever and you

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<v Speaker 4>just can't be But most of the time, actually people walk.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really get had one walker.

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<v Speaker 4>Jack Jack ever At walked several quit but that was

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<v Speaker 4>post tours, so he survived the tour. He just didn't

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<v Speaker 4>want to live in Sheffield, trying to think A lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the time they just come and go with their

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<v Speaker 4>own volition. Think of a lot they they'd be a laugh, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we'd be in a band playing football. Then people would

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<v Speaker 4>be great, and then they're like, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>actually not I'm going on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of hard work.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a lot of hard work and a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of nasty vibes a lot of the time, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of tension.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's kind of like quite different a fat

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<v Speaker 2>white family, and I've always thought it's quite quite a

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<v Speaker 2>commendable trait of yours is that you've always spoken really

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<v Speaker 2>freely about this kind of stuff about them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of bands, I guess traditionally always kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like to pretend that everything's fine and everyone's getting

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<v Speaker 2>on and it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>And they don't want to crush the bread.

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<v Speaker 5>It does get like, you know, you go up pie

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<v Speaker 5>and then you go down long.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess we swing hard.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you mean though, Yeah, it's kind of I

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<v Speaker 4>just find it impossible not to not to spill the

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<v Speaker 4>beans really just just because you've got to you've got

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<v Speaker 4>to vent, Like just like your therapy isn't. It's like, yeah,

0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.160
<v Speaker 4>when you talk to talk you do things like this constantly,

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<v Speaker 4>it does become kind of ever so slightly therapeutic.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh god, yeah, it's awful at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>But and why shouldn't people have a kind of picture

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<v Speaker 4>of what it's actually like when you're you know, why

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I think it's like if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Worked in an office and there was someone in the

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<v Speaker 2>office that was fucking you off, like you'd go home

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<v Speaker 2>and you'd say and you'd say, yeah, like it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a similar kind of thing, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess, But yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we go you know, we don't trash

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<v Speaker 4>like other people individually personally sit there and name names

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's like, it's frustrating doing this because of you know, A,

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<v Speaker 4>B and C, and you know, I guess it's why

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<v Speaker 4>not have a discussion about that and let people know

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what goes on to a certain extent.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever get tired of the fact that if

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<v Speaker 2>people are defining the band as like this chaotic thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I get I get a little bit I get a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit tired of Like recently, I mean We've been

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<v Speaker 4>having like a glowing reviews for this record, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>still like, you know, South London degenerates and it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>hang on a minute, man, Like you know, sure everybody

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<v Speaker 4>was like bang on the drug and the rest of it,

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<v Speaker 4>but I mean everybody in this band's got like mental

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<v Speaker 4>health issues and the rest of it. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't know where people get off like

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<v Speaker 4>repeating that over and over and over again, even once

0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.080
<v Speaker 4>you put something far more kind of like developed on

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<v Speaker 4>the table. And what I mean, what other justification do

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<v Speaker 4>we have to sort of offer to sort of like

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<v Speaker 4>rid ourselves of that title?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>At least shows that we have been, if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of dedicated to the music. And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>what it's about, not like behaving like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>like morons, you know people. And we did behave like moron,

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<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't the whole point.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you got to you gotta.

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<v Speaker 5>Let loose, don't you They be able to let loose

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<v Speaker 5>on like boredom.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean you guys were so dedicated to it,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact that you relocated to Sheffield, yeah exactly, which

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<v Speaker 2>is not something exactly that's not quite a big feet.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a lot of people would go and spend a

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<v Speaker 4>year or two of the life in another part of

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<v Speaker 4>the country where don't know any and the social lives

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<v Speaker 4>kind of gone and all the rest of it, just

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<v Speaker 4>so they can kind of like get on with what

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<v Speaker 4>they were doing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think became a kind of adopted a kind of

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<v Speaker 5>president Stence and for two years, well like stopped but

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know sensual things but then't fuck or anything

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<v Speaker 5>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>No sex, just for music.

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<v Speaker 4>Monk like a hermitude up in Sheffield. That was what

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<v Speaker 4>it was. It was a hermitude. Come on, were you

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<v Speaker 4>still you were still wanking though, yeah, but not that much.

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<v Speaker 4>You gave up on the sensual like you stopped sucking,

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<v Speaker 4>but you were still you have a wank what every

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<v Speaker 4>three days?

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<v Speaker 5>It's not a lot bashing, It's not I wasn't thinking

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<v Speaker 5>like you know, I was lonely.

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<v Speaker 4>What about you know what about the spot about the

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<v Speaker 4>truckloads of ganga that you were smoking?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that not sensual?

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<v Speaker 4>But that's to go in okay, And the ket in

0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.320
<v Speaker 4>that's to go in deeper, okay. So just masturbation kit

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<v Speaker 4>him in weed booze. But other than that, totally non sensual.

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<v Speaker 3>Not even other than that, it was a it was

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<v Speaker 3>a pristine almost you know, you don't take it.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't take it like them in to go out

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<v Speaker 5>there like hey, I'm socializing with.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you're on your own. I know you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't usually take Heroin to go out either.

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<v Speaker 5>You can anyway, Why do you have to bring it

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<v Speaker 5>down that fucking alley.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going down to alley. I'm just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to deny the sensual, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>sensual was denied, I will leave it at that. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>leave it at that. What was it?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it about? So when did you move to Sheffield?

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<v Speaker 2>Was at the beginning of twenty seventy.

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<v Speaker 4>We finished Mixton Academy, which was like what September or

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<v Speaker 4>something October that year, and then we all went on

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<v Speaker 4>We all went on separate ways for a bit. Nathan

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<v Speaker 4>went to Mexico for a couple of months to get clean.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to cambody allowed to sort of wander around,

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<v Speaker 4>So I went to New York because everybody went really

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<v Speaker 4>their opposite ways for a few months, and then me

0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.239
<v Speaker 4>and Nathan relocated back up up north to Sheffield for

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<v Speaker 4>the long haul.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the middle of winter.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was just that was just because you guys

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<v Speaker 2>were like, we got to get out, get out of town.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was a plan that had been floating

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<v Speaker 4>around for a for a year or so. I tried

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<v Speaker 4>to sort of move everybody up there a year before,

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<v Speaker 4>knowing full well that it was kind of slowly employing,

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<v Speaker 4>but it had just fallen through.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't have the organization or whatever. But we had.

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<v Speaker 4>A new manager based in Sheffield, and I'd started working

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<v Speaker 4>in Sheffield because of the moon landings, so we already

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<v Speaker 4>kind of knew a few people up there who could

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<v Speaker 4>find us a little house, find us little studio. So

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<v Speaker 4>it was like just getting a van, wage and stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>move up there and east somewhere for you that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of start out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't like just showing up in Sheffield and going

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<v Speaker 4>down the estate. I mean, you have to sort there

0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.760
<v Speaker 4>was a little bit of planning that to go into it. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, we just packed a van full of stuff

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<v Speaker 4>and it was and yeah, we had this little five

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<v Speaker 4>bedroom house. It was like seven hundred pan a month

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that. This little studio it was like twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five quid. It was like a bit studio, a bit

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<v Speaker 4>like this, but like overlooking a little canal in like

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<v Speaker 4>this industrial kind of like the state, this industrial kind

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 4>of wasteland at a cliff opposite.

0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 3>A place called City Sauna. Did you watched it?

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<v Speaker 4>It was a shown Channel four called a very British

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<v Speaker 4>bro brothel.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't. I've seen a trailer for. That's amazing.

0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.159
<v Speaker 4>It's amazing. Like episode one, they're trying to put in

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<v Speaker 4>a glory hale, you know, but they put it in,

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<v Speaker 4>they put it. It's not it's not deep, and I'm

0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.119
<v Speaker 4>just it's not it's too shallow. It's too shallow to

0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:31.280
<v Speaker 4>put it up too high.

0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's too high up for smaller gentleman.

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<v Speaker 4>And they have to put like another gloryhole in and

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<v Speaker 4>they have to make it slightly deeper, and it's like

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:40.679
<v Speaker 4>it's really it's really funny.

0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.960
<v Speaker 3>But that was opposite. That was like the only other.

0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.680
<v Speaker 4>Thing going on in the area was just this brothel,

0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, right, ropey as hell, you know, But was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it was just you two that moved up first,

0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Adam and Severn, but they didn't really stick stick it

0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 2>out too long.

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<v Speaker 4>Severyone really missed London. I mean fair enough for he's

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, London sort of born and bred, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>quite a big ask really, And we didn't really have

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 4>any idea what we were doing. It's not like we had

0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.840
<v Speaker 4>loads of like song ideas to sort of like we

0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.080
<v Speaker 4>was like day one, like what we're going to do

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<v Speaker 4>from scratch, Yeah, like literally pissing around on keyboards and

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<v Speaker 4>just like anything.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. So it was obviously going to take a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. That became quite apparent. You know, it wasn't

0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.480
<v Speaker 3>going to be done in a six months. It was

0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:26.960
<v Speaker 3>going to take it was going to take a year.

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<v Speaker 3>How it took a year. It took about a year.

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.840
<v Speaker 3>It took about it took about a year of writing.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, was there a moment when it started to

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<v Speaker 3>work when you felt.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there were a few There were a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>so of Yeah, there were a few songs or like

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<v Speaker 4>rough ideas like skeletons for tunes that were like, okay,

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.240
<v Speaker 4>we've kind of got some kind of direction. The main

0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.960
<v Speaker 4>one was feet really, I think that was kind of

0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.920
<v Speaker 4>like it was good because it was so different. I mean,

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 4>the original demo was just like real like ten minute

0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 4>long techno kind of like to me an acid sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like jammed thing that was like, didn't that anything

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 4>like fat white, But it was kind of it was

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 4>curious to us, I think because it didn't you know,

0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.160
<v Speaker 4>it was like, oh, this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's kind of like a challenge in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, So it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Something a bit different, but we yeah, we could be

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<v Speaker 4>there was there was a few songs that kind of

0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.399
<v Speaker 4>start to show up, and then you get to a

0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 4>point where you've nearly got like half a record, and

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.720
<v Speaker 4>then you kind of know that it's just about yeah,

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.320
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna pull it off at some point, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>But the first few months was a bit like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>did you like Sheffle though just generally like it as

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.760
<v Speaker 4>a place. It strikes me as like a nice creative

0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:40.679
<v Speaker 4>place to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I think if you want to like get your head

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<v Speaker 4>down and work or whatever, it's kind of perfect.

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's so distractions, I guess doesn't.

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 4>Have the distractions. Everybody's really sound, everybody talks to each other.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of it's kind of a good it's a

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<v Speaker 4>good it's a good kind of it's a good community

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<v Speaker 4>kind of feel up there that you don't Did you

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<v Speaker 4>get really so much in London anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you know, did you miss it down here

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.680
<v Speaker 3>with elements? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>You were like I used to come back and said,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, you just move on. I left for

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<v Speaker 5>different I was running a studio.

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<v Speaker 3>And a lot, but they're going tour.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no point keeping a studio going if you're going

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:24.640
<v Speaker 7>to be on tour where all your money is going

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 7>to running a business, so you're not even going to

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.480
<v Speaker 7>be running like I had to like cut that.

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.359
<v Speaker 5>If I didn't have a studio, there was nothing for

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:33.040
<v Speaker 5>me to work on.

0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.399
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean I missed it.

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 4>I used to come down a lot of different weekends

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.879
<v Speaker 4>and cut loose or whatever, you know, just see friends

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:42.040
<v Speaker 4>and that.

0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:43.440
<v Speaker 3>But it's only two hours on the train.

0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:46.080
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's not that you're both back in town

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 4>now moment.

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<v Speaker 3>But tom Bean, see where tour leads us? Yeah, exactly.

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 3>You never really know when you start getting a bus

0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 3>and then about you later. You've got no idea what's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I read that you guys whilst did Field we're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to I think that the quote on your press release

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<v Speaker 2>with the record is like Jesus and George my wamby.

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<v Speaker 3>Side one with just one whamb side? What is the

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<v Speaker 3>wham B side? Blue? Armed with Love? Okay? Really yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really odd. But how did you cut? Did you?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this just a tune that you knew from? Like

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<v Speaker 3>you he started playing? Now where does that come from?

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<v Speaker 5>I was just scrolling through YouTube and it came up

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.879
<v Speaker 5>and I was like, holy shoot, that's all right and

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<v Speaker 5>Blue I keep talking talking something keep them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean the yass thing was that? That was

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 4>because I blame lou Reid for that. That was that

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 4>talk has article he did about Jesus, you know, get

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 4>artists to write I'm different. And I was never listened

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.280
<v Speaker 4>to Kenny West before, and I was like lou Reid

0:23:57.400 --> 0:23:58.679
<v Speaker 4>was just bigging it up.

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<v Speaker 8>And I was like, oh man, maybe it's something in there,

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 8>but he is.

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<v Speaker 3>Sold for already, but it is, yeah, I'm already what

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 3>was it? The B side? Tiptop? All right? Okay, well tiptop?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it does go on for about five minutes to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but we can talking listen.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, man, Once George starts going, it's a

0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:41.560
<v Speaker 4>little I hear that so sexy, And I was.

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 3>I was sad when George when I was sad when

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I know it was at the end of that year

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 3>when everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>When yeah he really he managed to really see it.

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I was like, oh, yeah, that one. I

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:00.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it got me for some reason.

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:02.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But I mean, I don't know.

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 4>He just seem like a really kind of just seemed

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 4>like a great guy, didn't he. You know, that whole

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.440
<v Speaker 4>let's go outside thing was just the best fucking thing ever,

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, really, that crystal Yeah, the way the toilet spam.

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 3>I love that attitude, man, love it, love it. I

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.119
<v Speaker 3>mean I've always liked I've always liked George Michael.

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 4>But then when he died and you get that thing,

0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.200
<v Speaker 4>don't Yeah, you have a sort of like renaissance man.

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 5>He was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was amazing, wasn't he? Like?

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 4>I wanted him to sing on songs for our mothers.

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 4>Saul shot down the idea immediately. I wanted him to

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 4>do some like some of that groany ship he does

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 4>there at the end of esn't and.

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 3>He would have done it, I reckon.

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 4>And what I hear what I hear about George Michael

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 4>and his music tastes, and he's kind of like, you know,

0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, he's his general kind of like joy

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 4>de Vive.

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 3>I think.

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a pretty good chance he might have

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.119
<v Speaker 4>been like, oh, yeah, I'll do I'll do it, you know,

0:25:58.280 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 4>I'll do a groan for fat White Family.

0:25:59.920 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 3>I reckon it's a possibility.

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:01.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 4>I think it's sordid enough for George gotten into bed

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:06.520
<v Speaker 4>with it a little bit, you know.

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>So that's that's what you woure listening. You would be

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:10.960
<v Speaker 3>listening to that track.

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 4>We'll be listening to that track, and we've been listening

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 4>to we were listening to users kind of obsessively.

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was it was just really the juxtaposition.

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 4>Between everything that he was banging on about and our

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.879
<v Speaker 4>like little gray terroraced house in Sheffield. I don't know,

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 4>there was just something fantastical about it. It was like, you know,

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 4>our little lounge with a head full of kettmen just

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 4>this kind of like sort of sunken kind of like

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 4>l a kind of like like this sort of incredible

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 4>just towering narcissism and bombasts, you know, and just filth, just.

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Absolute filth of very kind.

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know it just felt like an affront

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 4>to everything that I stood for, which I kind of

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 4>I think I needed a shot of that. Sometimes you

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.920
<v Speaker 4>need to just let that it's just like, actually, fuck it. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of on board with this. Actually a moment,

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 4>was there an actual moment when the kind of the

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 4>band all came back together that you can remember, Like,

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:09.639
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it came back together a few times and

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 4>then split up a few times, and then you know,

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 4>it's like we're waiting for that. Yeah, we're still waiting

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 4>on that. Yeah, I reckon in about two May first

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 4>apparently rumor has it. Yeah, man, any any day there

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 4>many we're gonna get him all in the same room

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 4>at the same time.

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 3>I can't. Actually it's going to be a bo It's

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 3>going to be but I'm bored. I'ms like from that,

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 3>but from that moment where like you said that, once

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 3>you finished the last Records tour and you kind of

0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 3>all went your separate way, Yeah, do spirts Recorders of

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the World?

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Did you then, Like, when was the moment when you

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of I mean, I suppose its different because you

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>guys are brothers, you're kind of always in touch.

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 4>I guess say that Unfortunately it's not necessarily true.

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Thirty years, maybe you don't feel like it's true.

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Is it Is it hard being in band in a

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 2>band as brothers or do you get that feeling like.

0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 5>They don't really think about it because we've always been

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 5>in a band brothers.

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>It's weird.

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 4>It's weird you don't well, I mean, I don't know.

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.680
<v Speaker 4>I think I think it's like it announced, it's got

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 4>you've got cloths and cons there in it.

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I think you can irritate each other in ways that.

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.360
<v Speaker 4>Are kind of unfathomable to like normal people that are

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 4>like just bystanders to the situation.

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 3>People that are kind of.

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 4>Your parents always drive you in exactly, why are you

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 4>being addiced to your mom like she's yeah, exactly, you've

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 4>got aund someone's house and it's like, man, why are

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 4>you talking to your mother? Like it's exactly like that,

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, like there's certain things he does that make

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 4>me want to like smash his face in that well,

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 4>like other people are just completely.

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Like you wouldn't even notice them.

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and obviously there's kind of like you spend that much.

0:28:58.280 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, me and him have always.

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 4>Been in each other's company. It's like, well, forever.

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 3>Really.

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 4>I came to London when I was eighteen and I

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 4>think that was the only year I lived separate to

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 4>naighth And he showed up a year later and I stiff,

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 4>I could if you could sleep on my couch because

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 4>he got thrown out of school and he said he's

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 4>going to stay for a.

0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Week or two. That was fourteen years ago.

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 4>He's still, he's still, he's still, he's still living.

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Like at my at my flat now, you know.

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 4>I remember, sure he showed up at Liverpool Street station

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 4>with a little bag and that was that was the

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 4>end of our time apart like but I guess because

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 4>of our parents kind of like divorce and all this

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 4>kind of crap that happened when we were growing up,

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 4>moving around and stuff. We were always quite quite tight inevitably, yeah,

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 4>and we were, you know, we were living in Scotland

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.959
<v Speaker 4>and Northern Ireland and you know it's like always shifting around.

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 5>How many years are there between the two two three

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 5>two three quarters?

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Two and three quarters?

0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 4>I think I'm I think I'm looking younger.

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 3>What do you do? Do you think it looks younger?

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 2>I've got I think Nathan's got the course huge not just.

0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 3>That comes that comes before the end. But you look good.

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 4>I appreciate the understand.

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 3>I give it a try.

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, my brother's two years older than me, so

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that you in that in that situation, being

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 2>the younger.

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Do you do you have any other siblings. We've got

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 3>we've got a big brother. Yeah, okay, all.

0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, okay, that's a little bit different because it's just

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>me and him, and so I've always been like the

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 2>youngest and therefore like the kind of you know, the

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>youngest always the favorite, right.

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 9>You got called the chosen one, my father calls me

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 9>the chosen to be chosen, to be chosen, to be

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 9>it is cold.

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 4>But to be chosen by your father is meaningless. And

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 4>so it's all about your mother's love. That's that's the

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 4>love of the charts.

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 3>That's true. Nobody father's love. It's irrelevant, man, for your

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>mum's favorite. Of course, he is little little. She wouldn't

0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 3>hold me as she wouldn't know. That's because you shit

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 3>and scream and vomit everywhere the whole time. But she

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 3>still put up with you. That's how deep he love is.

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I guess you know there's a love there.

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.959
<v Speaker 2>So in terms of making stuff up when you were

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>making it, when you were all together and you were

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:17.719
<v Speaker 2>putting it, putting it together up there were you all

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>getting on, was it or was it like a happy

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>record to make?

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean yes and no.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 3>When we were actually doing the record, it was fine.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 4>But there was a whole kind of like beef that

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:32.719
<v Speaker 4>went off with Nathan just before we started the proceedings

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 4>and he was basically well, he went.

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 3>On strike or he was asked to leave.

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 4>It was kind of a bit it's a bit confusing

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 4>now actually exactly what happened. But Nathan wasn't there for

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 4>the first bunch of sessions and that kind of cast

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 4>a big shadow over everything. But it was all to

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 4>do with hang ups with Saul from the past when

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 4>sort of been like mad on crack and a complete

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 4>like fucking barbarian and traumatized everybody really kind of back then,

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, And it was kind of to do with

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 4>all that behavior, all those star was kind of claims

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 4>came to this one clean and lucid. There were a

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 4>lot of hang upstairs and a lot of shitty politics

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 4>to sort of sift through. Eventually it's fine, but initially

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 4>it was kind of like well, we couldn't really be

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 4>in the same room together.

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:14.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean we did for a while. We had some

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 3>good times.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 4>We went out to Norway to plan the record with

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 4>our friend on like a little house up by a

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 4>fjord there and do the last bit of writing and

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 4>we planned everything. But it wasn't exactly smooth now, but

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 4>when we were actually in the sessions.

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 3>It was all quite This time around was actually really

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 3>quite fun. Songs.

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 4>For our mothers was just pure pain. But this was

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 4>actually everybody working around each other. It was a bigger

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 4>team of musicians as well.

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, does it affect do you feel like the

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>music that comes out of it? Do you think that's

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.280
<v Speaker 2>greatly affected by just how well you're getting on, Because

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are some bands, like historically a band

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>like Black Sabbath, for example, believe that if you were

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 2>friends with the rest of the band and that was

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 2>going to make for terrible music. They loved the fact

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>that they kind of hated each other as we As

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I've already said, like some bands kind of feel like

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 2>they have to pretend that they love each other. Do

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>you think it like affects the end result? Like the

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>music is like this record compared to your previous records

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and the relationships that you've all had.

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 4>I think, I think, on on on one level for us.

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 3>It's definitely way better.

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 4>Everybody's communicating quite openly and getting on, but they're on

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 4>another sort.

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 3>Of almost more profound level.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 4>I think what's kind of made this record for me

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 4>the best one anyway is that other people's ideas are

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 4>at the at the four and I guess the war

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 4>that did occur within the group over this record was

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 4>over that and other whose ideas get prominent and who

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 4>is the kind of overall caretaker of those ideas and

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 4>who Nathan wrote a bunch, So the conflict kind of

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 4>came from that situation. So even though there was a

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 4>kind of contentment open communication within the studio when he

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 4>wasn't there, the whole thing was kind of born of

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 4>this sort of like this conflict of interest and his

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 4>power struggle. So that didn't really go away completely. It

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 4>was just sort of like omnipotent in a way, you know,

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 4>like and it took.

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Ages to resolve. So it's a it's a bit of

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 3>it's a bit of both worlds.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean, personally, I mean, I'd rather I'd rather it

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 4>or you know, I'd rather everybody got on and and

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 4>communicate it openly. But there's always I think there's always

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:32.880
<v Speaker 4>going to be a part where it's kind of a

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of a war, a bit of a conflict.

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 4>When you're collaborating, it's kind.

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:41.840
<v Speaker 5>Of you can't really foresee any external kind of forces

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 5>coming coming within sometimes, so you could get everything said

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 5>within the band, but then something happens outside and it

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 5>throws a whole spanner in the works.

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Is you know, it's the same in any relationship. It's

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 3>always going to suck up. Yeah, you need you need

0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 3>a bit of conflict in it.

0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 5>The more the more the more conflict, the more you

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 5>I think you're trying to use it that situation, I

0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 5>think the better you'll be able to handle it in

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 5>the future, you know what I mean.

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 4>I think as a group of people, you're working your

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 4>way through like these conflicts and these things. You know,

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 4>you're working your way through your relationships with each other,

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 4>and you're trying to sort of salvage it by doing

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 4>this music.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 5>You know, you're like, if you got a puppy, you'd

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 5>want your puppy to be shitting on the floor as

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.520
<v Speaker 5>much as possible, and it's for six months, so you

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 5>could then not shop on the floor after, you know,

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 5>just like so you have to give a little snack,

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 5>you get into violence and anything about snap and its neck, okay, and.

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 3>Then the crime of passion, and then it will be

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 3>a good dog.

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you think with this obviously because the record came

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>out last week, no this week, do you think that

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>because people have kind of historically loved to be outraged

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 2>by your music, do you think there's anything in this

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 2>record or do you think people are going to be

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to find the amount of outrage

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 2>they will want.

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 4>To think if Davey, if they sift around long enough,

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 4>they'll find the outrage that they sort des I definitely

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 4>put some outrage in there. I just made it slightly

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 4>less explicit this time. I think I've had a lot

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 4>more kind of of an open approach to writing the thing,

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 4>and kind of it's definitely more idiosyncratic as far as

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm concerned, and I haven't been kind of so conscious

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 4>of giving people sort of signposts and ironic kind of

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 4>like explicitly ironic kind of gestures and things like that.

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Just keep it kind of I wanted.

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 4>It to sort of be sort sort of elusive, you know,

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 4>like you have to sort of chase it a little

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 4>bit to kind of get it, you know, like it

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 4>wasn't just sort of like a courteous away. That's the

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 4>way I've thought about that much. Sounded incredibly pretentious.

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>When I told a friend of mine who writes for

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the magazine and Daniel till Ray, I told him that

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 2>we were recording this, and I said, is anything you

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>think I should ask for these guys? And he's from

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.919
<v Speaker 2>Sheffield sid there forever still lives there, and he asked

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 2>me the three questions he told me to ask.

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 3>They're all Sheffield bays.

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>One of them said, ask them about their first ever

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 2>gig in the city and the football who looking.

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 3>All right, yeah, what is that first time? The Blades crew?

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, Sheffield.

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it sounds a lot more than they'd called the Blades.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've got a lot of the BBC they call him.

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 5>But he did come in with a big machete.

0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 4>He took Adam Harmer's guitar and walked off the street

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 4>with it.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 3>He threatened everybody in the bar. Where was it?

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 4>This was on London Road where we ended up living

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.360
<v Speaker 4>like five years later, like just this little pub I

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 4>can't remember the name of it that's changed hands, changed hands,

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 4>I think, yeah, what year is this, like two thousand

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 4>and fourteen, early days, you know. It was a tiny

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 4>pol There was about thirty people there and we you know,

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 4>this is our first time and we were just like, man,

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 4>this proper sketchy up here in it, proper ship all.

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 3>We never fucking going back to Sheffield. Man, don't get

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 3>out of the van.

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Man, you were playing a show in this problem. What

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 2>a guy turns up yeah with a proper.

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Heavy yeah yeah, and a fair fair blaze of the landlord.

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 4>He went out after him up the street, you know,

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 4>and they got the police and they managed to get

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Adam's guitar back, you know, but he was really angry.

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:26.399
<v Speaker 3>It was really upset.

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what he was upset, but the same

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 4>guy right randomly the next time we came to play Sheffield. Yeah,

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 4>this had become like you know, folklore within the band,

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 4>like Sheffield Man, the fucking nuts up there, Blades Crewed BBC,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, And we got to Sheffield and everybody was

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of a little bit you know. For the next

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 4>gig and it was like a little sold out show

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 4>at the Harley, and we were all like sketching anyway

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 4>because we're on torn or hagging from the speed.

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 3>And we were all sit downstairs.

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 4>In the bar and the pine and he walks in

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 4>the exact same guy. He sits down in opposite three

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 4>of us sat there, he points at the goes.

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 3>You pull here. It was just like, what the fuck

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 3>is wrong with this guy? You know? Is he like

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 3>following the man around? And so like, how are we

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 3>what have we done to aggravate It's like, did your

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 3>drama go over to it?

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 5>No?

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Man, we all went upstairs if we didn't come back

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 3>down until the gig. We were like, fuck Sheffield, man,

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 3>this place is wrong. You know it was. It was.

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 4>It was terrifying, man, because I knows we're already rattled

0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 4>from that first bout of proper touring.

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 3>But you came so that so that was your first

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 3>ever gig in the city. Your second was the Harley.

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 4>That was the one where I covered myself and my

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:35.800
<v Speaker 4>own ship like it was like it was a native

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 4>That was then second question, yeah, second, yeah, that was

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 4>so the second one that the guy showed up at.

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 3>That was the dirty protist.

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because they went they were it was you know,

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 4>you got given drinks talkings. It was like you have

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 4>you can have a cider or an air. It was

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 4>like I have a beer and they were like, no,

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.879
<v Speaker 4>you can't. And I was like, it's a sold out gear.

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is my first ever proper tour where

0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 4>it's like fourteen gigs in a row, and this is

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 4>like six, you know, so I've already started to learn

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 4>that if you take a lot of ecstasy on night

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 4>one and a lot of speed that buy a gig

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 4>like five or six, you pretty much want to hang

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 4>yourself and never go on stage of it again. So

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 4>I was learning like the hard way, and you know,

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 4>and I was very angry at this point in time

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 4>because you know, I don't think we've been signed yet,

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 4>so you're working full time, but you're still just destitute.

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like what is going on here?

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 4>All these people are here, Why don't you know, why

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 4>don't I have like a hotel room or like.

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Anything, you know, and now you're being refused to beer.

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 3>And now you're being refused to.

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Beer right, and you know, I get like gut right anywhere,

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 4>and I get terrible nerves, and I've been kind of

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 4>like schooling myself on Gigi Allen, And at that point

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 4>in time, I was like, well, nobody really cares, but

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 4>obviously it's kind of like let's just see how far

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:48.879
<v Speaker 4>we can push this, you know what I mean, Let's

0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 4>see how like how nasty are kind of like performance

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 4>you can actually put on just to sort of.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Just to see, just to test it. Yeah, it's happened.

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 3>What was the reaction? I mean, it was like it

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 3>was like Moses.

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 4>I felt like Moses, you know, It's like you could

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 4>just cut through this this this crowd of people, like

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 4>they were like not not even there, you know, but

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 4>I put my hand down and shut in my hand

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 4>and put put it across my face like like you know,

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 4>Indian warping or whatever, and they just started going at it,

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, like going at just attacking the audience and that.

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 4>But it was, it was it was amazing, and my

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 4>whole band were terrified, and even Saul was scared of me.

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 4>For once I went towards Saul on stage, he was

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 4>like backing off.

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 3>You know at that point, what were you thinking? At

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 3>that point? It's just it's smell horrible. It smelled really bad.

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 3>We you're just thinking he's lost he's actually lost his mind.

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 5>Now, Oh no, I didn't think he'd lose his mind.

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 3>It's just hot.

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 5>It smell like baby ship, didn't smell like adults ship.

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 5>So it's just like, fuck off, get away from ny Man.

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was funny.

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.399
<v Speaker 4>The only one that didn't notice was Adam Harmer because

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 4>he was on so much Drugger. So I ended up

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.359
<v Speaker 4>like tonguing him on stage, like covered in my own ship,

0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 4>and he didn't notice. After the gig man, but there

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 4>was one guy in the crowd who was really into it.

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 4>It was really weird, and I was like I was

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 4>naked from I was wearing a suit, but I was

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 4>naked from the waist down.

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 3>And this guy, you know, he kept like pushing into me.

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 4>Was the only guy who would give it any you know,

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 4>And I ended up I ended up like on his shoulders,

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 4>riding him around, like whipping him with his belt, and

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 4>somebody got his belt off and I ended up on

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 4>his shoulders and I was like riding him around the

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 4>Harley like he was like he was a horse or something,

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 4>covered in this ship wearing this suit but with and

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 4>it was like it was. It was really like as

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of low down as I think it's.

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 3>So Sheffield's got the energies in Sheffield. What did you

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 3>think the next day?

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 4>Like when you I thought, I bet the rest of

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 4>the tour is going to sell good now, right, people

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 4>don't want to see this band.

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<v Speaker 3>After that, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt proud, man, I felt like, you know, that

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<v Speaker 4>was a you know, that was another frontier. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to do it again and to do it every

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<v Speaker 4>night or anything, but at least I was interested to

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<v Speaker 4>know how that feels to be in like a crowd

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<v Speaker 4>of people and have this music and a microphone and

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<v Speaker 4>be covered in your own feces. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 4>like a curious no regrets at all over that one,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they call us degenera. Yeah, that self expression

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<v Speaker 4>at its most like visceral.

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