Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to Midnight Chats. Is is episode seventy one
Speaker 2: and thank you for downloading it. We know that there
Speaker 2: are now one hundred million podcasts out there for you
Speaker 2: to listen to. It's a very crowded marketplace, so the
Speaker 2: fact that you've taken the time to listen to this
Speaker 2: one means a great deal to us. My name's Stuart,
Speaker 2: and tonight my guests on the podcast are LEAs and
Speaker 2: Nathan Saudi, both from the South London band Fat White Family,
Speaker 2: who I guess are a group who more than anyone else,
Speaker 2: or more than anyone else I can think of, who
Speaker 2: have a reputation that tends to precede them, which is
Speaker 2: sometimes a bit of a shame because that White Family
Speaker 2: makes the really great records. But it might be that
Speaker 2: you know more stories of outrage about Fat White Family
Speaker 2: than you do songs. And a lot of that comes
Speaker 2: down to the band's drug use and use of hard drugs,
Speaker 2: which is something that to their credit, they have always
Speaker 2: been very open about. They've never hidden anything. They've been
Speaker 2: very honest and very forthcoming with that part of their
Speaker 2: lives and how it affects them and the stress that
Speaker 2: that puts upon the group and the relationships within the group.
Speaker 2: So we do talk a bit about that within this
Speaker 2: episode of the podcast. It seems like something that is
Speaker 2: unavoidable talking about. But mainly the reason I met up
Speaker 2: with LEAs and his brother Nathan was to talk about
Speaker 2: that brand new record. It came out today. It's their
Speaker 2: third album. It's called Surf's Up and Today, being good Friday,
Speaker 2: is the day that it's out, so you can you
Speaker 2: can go and check out this record as soon as
Speaker 2: you've finished listening to this episode of the podcast. The
Speaker 2: main thing I guess we talk about is how the
Speaker 2: group removed themselves from the South London scene where they
Speaker 2: were getting so distracted and there was just a lot
Speaker 2: of mess in their lives, and they moved up to
Speaker 2: Sheffield into a house up there to record and make
Speaker 2: this record together. We talk a lot about that, and
Speaker 2: there is a warning that I have to let you
Speaker 2: know about, which is towards the end of the podcast.
Speaker 2: Right at the end, there is a scaty logical story
Speaker 2: from LEAs, which you know is pretty gross. It's a
Speaker 2: pretty gross story that involves human feces. Now that might
Speaker 2: be something that you definitely do not want to hear.
Speaker 2: When it comes up in the conversation towards the end,
Speaker 2: you will be able to sense it. You will be
Speaker 2: able to stop the podcast at that point. But equally,
Speaker 2: if maybe you don't even want to risk that and
Speaker 2: you want to stop listening now, as obviously completely fine.
Speaker 2: We will see you next week at the same time.
Speaker 2: But if you are still here, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: kind of fun in this podcast as well. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: talking to Nathan and LEAs because you know, as a
Speaker 2: couple of brothers, I have an older brother myself, and
Speaker 2: brothers have got this weird tension about them, especially if
Speaker 2: you're in a band as kind of chaotic as fat
Speaker 2: White Family I imagined, So it was really nice to
Speaker 2: talk to them. They had just come from rehearsal, or
Speaker 2: they were about to go to a rehearsal they're rehearsing
Speaker 2: this week near our office, so they came by and
Speaker 2: I think they were feeling a bit stressed about that,
Speaker 2: but I had a good time talking to them. So
Speaker 2: thank you to both the guys for coming in and
Speaker 2: enjoyed this episode of the podcast. Of course, as always,
Speaker 2: please do subscribe if you like what you hear, check
Speaker 2: back there seventy before this one, and next week we
Speaker 2: have a very very glamorous guest. Glamorous is that right? Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go with that glamorous until then though.
Speaker 2: Here is Fat White Family on episode seventy one Midnight Chats. Right, So,
Speaker 2: as you say, you've just got kind of back into
Speaker 2: like band world, You've had like a few weeks I
Speaker 2: guess presents and stuff, and now you're kind of getting
Speaker 2: back into like the rehearsals you're rehearsing this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then for when does the tour start?
Speaker 4: Tour starts on May first.
Speaker 3: So we got rehearsals this week.
Speaker 4: And we got another home very nice, and then we
Speaker 4: got another another like sort of session of rehearsals before
Speaker 4: we begin the tour. I mean, I'd like to think
Speaker 4: that we will still have the same lineup by tour.
Speaker 3: Okay, what are you giving yourself?
Speaker 4: I'd say it's like kind of six to one, six
Speaker 4: to one. No, I'd say it's like I'd say, give
Speaker 4: me a good life.
Speaker 3: The seven three to what I'd say, it's a three
Speaker 3: to one chance.
Speaker 4: We make it to tour with the same membership that
Speaker 4: you'll see on like a.
Speaker 5: Posting one because there's seven people in the band and
Speaker 5: the Bucky the house has to favor the best, So
Speaker 5: the sixty one seven in the bend, I'm giving you
Speaker 5: good ords.
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty pretty pretty hard.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cynical, but I mean, I'm I'm the book
Speaker 4: keeper at the moment. Despite yeah, despite you know, initial
Speaker 4: pangs of anxiety, I think we'll make it to May
Speaker 4: first with the same lineup.
Speaker 2: How does it feel to be kind of back into
Speaker 2: this though, back into because it's been I mean, I've
Speaker 2: never done I've never done.
Speaker 4: A promo season before really like this this thing, you
Speaker 4: know where it's been like it feels like just months
Speaker 4: and months of kind of like just talking about yourself
Speaker 4: and you know, promoting and selling the record, you know,
Speaker 4: like which is which is what's kind of fun initially,
Speaker 4: and then it's kind of I don't know, after after
Speaker 4: a few months of it, you started to just become
Speaker 4: all discombobulated and kind of detached, and you don't listen
Speaker 4: to the thing for I haven't listened to it for ages,
Speaker 4: wandering around talking and talking about this thing, and then
Speaker 4: and then and then and then you've got to sort
Speaker 4: of switch that video brain off and go into sort
Speaker 4: of like playing again.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, right, this is the thing that we do. Actually,
Speaker 3: it's not just like I remind yourself what those songs
Speaker 3: sound like.
Speaker 4: You got to remind yourself what those songs sound like,
Speaker 4: and then you're not like, you know, it's not your
Speaker 4: job to sort of traveling around talking and you got
Speaker 4: to get back into it.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: We always play in South London in like little club
Speaker 4: nights and acoustic nights and stuff like that, so we're
Speaker 4: always performing and working on things anyway, So I don't
Speaker 4: feel like that much of a leap. It's just it's
Speaker 4: a bit more pressure and a bit you know, a
Speaker 4: bit more bit more time.
Speaker 3: You know, it requires more time.
Speaker 2: At the end of like the last bout of shows,
Speaker 2: I guess twenty sixteen, after kind of when you wrapped
Speaker 2: up that record, I guess, yeah, and kind of the
Speaker 2: you played that big show at Brixton Academy and yeah,
Speaker 2: everything and kind of from the outside everyone around that
Speaker 2: time thought that maybe like the band that was that
Speaker 2: was it the band We're going to vanish now?
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was over.
Speaker 2: That's I guess how people kind of put it across,
Speaker 2: Like the press were kind of saying that, and people
Speaker 2: presumed that did it Did it ever feel like that
Speaker 2: for you guys?
Speaker 3: Did you always?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it did feel it did? Did it come close
Speaker 2: to that being the end of it?
Speaker 4: It was like, it's like it's like Terminator too, when
Speaker 4: the things is all fucked in the bits or the
Speaker 4: rubbles or spared slowly congealing back, it comes back together.
Speaker 4: Got real bit it was really took ages. Really, it
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, they fucked him up, like it was.
Speaker 4: It was bit of me all over the place. You know,
Speaker 4: there's bitchy in New York by Campbell slowly sort of
Speaker 4: worming its way back.
Speaker 3: To form form fulness again. I guess that's a good
Speaker 3: way to put it. But you knew it was going
Speaker 3: to come back. I think, deep in my gut, I
Speaker 3: kind of knew we'd get on with it. I mean,
Speaker 3: what else we were going to do? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was of like kind of a lot
Speaker 3: a lot of gone.
Speaker 4: Into it to just sort of throw it in the
Speaker 4: burn and I don't know, yeah, I kind of we
Speaker 4: signed a deal straight away and started planning on doing
Speaker 4: the next thing straight away, So there wasn't a sort
Speaker 4: of period of like we're not doing it anymore.
Speaker 3: There was just a kind of like, all.
Speaker 5: Right, well went from and liked that album, run to
Speaker 5: stress about the next one.
Speaker 3: Really, but how we did it was the thing that
Speaker 3: was painful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like soul was gone. Right, you have
Speaker 4: to just deal with that.
Speaker 3: You know, half the band are all on Heroin.
Speaker 4: Have to just deal with that, and it's just it's
Speaker 4: just a lot of problems and if you really if
Speaker 4: you really really want to do it and you really
Speaker 4: believe in what you're doing or whatever, then and also
Speaker 4: if you're the added sort of sensation of never really
Speaker 4: having kind of amounted to I don't know, maybe your
Speaker 4: initial promise or whatever. I think that was a strong
Speaker 4: feeling of kind of like we haven't really.
Speaker 3: Delivered that way. It seems a little bit like it
Speaker 3: was unfinished business that point.
Speaker 4: A bit embarrassing to just finish at that point. It
Speaker 4: would have been difficult to sort of what what are
Speaker 4: we going to do now? Like after all that kind
Speaker 4: of hulla balloo and like scorn we poured on like
Speaker 4: everything else, it's kind of like it would be a
Speaker 4: bit of a shame to go back to like making
Speaker 4: pizzas or whatever.
Speaker 3: Well, imagine Rocky Too. He comes out and loss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gets a spray, gets a spray before the
Speaker 4: fight and just decides he doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 3: You know, it develops a COLDI habit.
Speaker 5: After pushing for that for a straw and Rocky One
Speaker 5: comes out and Rocky Too.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, yeah, a sub text problem out of that
Speaker 4: half the lineup that was then at that moment, how
Speaker 4: many how much of that band is still this band now?
Speaker 3: Half? Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's me, Nathan, Adam, Harmer, Sol Him Chevski obviously
Speaker 4: that are kind of the the main group. And then
Speaker 4: there's Alex White, who came in around that time but
Speaker 4: wasn't like a full member, you know, who's now really
Speaker 4: prominent and plays about like seventeen different when we finally
Speaker 4: got we've finally got somebody in the band that knows
Speaker 4: how to play music, which.
Speaker 3: Is really useful.
Speaker 4: Really key Yeah, you can play He's got like a sax,
Speaker 4: a barattzo and sax, two different keyboards. He's got this
Speaker 4: because he's just surrounded by like instruments on one side,
Speaker 4: of the stage, you can harmonize like impeccably with anything.
Speaker 5: I think that's that of our own ladies laziness as well.
Speaker 3: I think I'm quite a difficult person to harmonize with
Speaker 3: because I can't.
Speaker 4: I don't really conventionally like sing very well, and often
Speaker 4: I'll just sing completely different things every time, you know,
Speaker 4: much to like the chagrin of Saul over the years.
Speaker 4: But like Alex is so good at harmony. He just
Speaker 4: clicks in almost like whatever he's doing. He's been he's
Speaker 4: been a really great addition. He's a permanent member now
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: On your bassis.
Speaker 4: We got a new but a new bassist, Adam Brennan,
Speaker 4: who's kind of just been playing around the scene in
Speaker 4: South London. He was in like twelve different bands. Like
Speaker 4: when these guys who's just like obviously really hungry, which
Speaker 4: is a great thing to have in a band. I think,
Speaker 4: you know, he's always there like bang on time.
Speaker 6: Thinking about crime, we've lost a few, we've lost a few,
Speaker 6: gained a few, and you know, it's the same regime
Speaker 6: as before where you know, if you completely fed up
Speaker 6: mid tour, then.
Speaker 3: Like you're going to get sacked, you know what.
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, no, I don't really have any
Speaker 4: there's no other way to do it. I don't see
Speaker 4: any other way of doing it. I don't see any Do.
Speaker 2: You find those conversations when you have to kind of
Speaker 2: give someone their march in orders?
Speaker 3: Do you find it easy to do? Hard to do? Not?
Speaker 3: Not a nice meal? Like in Jenny maguire take them
Speaker 3: down to Nando's. You brought me the Nandos to fire me?
Speaker 3: Your son up a bitch?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I mean Saul was the worst, but
Speaker 4: we just got our tour manager to do that, which
Speaker 4: we got Pete Hamley to do that. Man, I mean
Speaker 4: it was the the thing becomes so sour at that point,
Speaker 4: just so.
Speaker 3: Bitterly bitterly sour. It was just like that was awful.
Speaker 4: But I mean the one get in the van other
Speaker 4: than other than other than that, it's kind of like,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you've just come in the band, or
Speaker 4: you've been in for a year or whatever and you
Speaker 4: just can't be But most of the time, actually people walk.
Speaker 3: They don't really get had one walker.
Speaker 4: Jack Jack ever At walked several quit but that was
Speaker 4: post tours, so he survived the tour. He just didn't
Speaker 4: want to live in Sheffield, trying to think A lot
Speaker 4: of the time they just come and go with their
Speaker 4: own volition. Think of a lot they they'd be a laugh, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'd be in a band playing football. Then people would
Speaker 4: be great, and then they're like, and you know what,
Speaker 4: actually not I'm going on.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of hard work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of hard work and a lot
Speaker 4: of nasty vibes a lot of the time, a lot
Speaker 4: of tension.
Speaker 2: I think what's kind of like quite different a fat
Speaker 2: white family, and I've always thought it's quite quite a
Speaker 2: commendable trait of yours is that you've always spoken really
Speaker 2: freely about this kind of stuff about them, you know,
Speaker 2: like a lot of bands, I guess traditionally always kind
Speaker 2: of like to pretend that everything's fine and everyone's getting
Speaker 2: on and it's great.
Speaker 3: And they don't want to crush the bread.
Speaker 5: It does get like, you know, you go up pie
Speaker 5: and then you go down long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we swing hard.
Speaker 4: I know you mean though, Yeah, it's kind of I
Speaker 4: just find it impossible not to not to spill the
Speaker 4: beans really just just because you've got to you've got
Speaker 4: to vent, Like just like your therapy isn't. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: when you talk to talk you do things like this constantly,
Speaker 4: it does become kind of ever so slightly therapeutic.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh god, yeah, it's awful at the moment.
Speaker 4: But and why shouldn't people have a kind of picture
Speaker 4: of what it's actually like when you're you know, why
Speaker 4: they're doing it?
Speaker 3: You know. I think it's like if you.
Speaker 2: Worked in an office and there was someone in the
Speaker 2: office that was fucking you off, like you'd go home
Speaker 2: and you'd say and you'd say, yeah, like it's it's
Speaker 2: a similar kind of thing, I.
Speaker 3: Guess, But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think we go you know, we don't trash
Speaker 4: like other people individually personally sit there and name names
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: But it's like, it's frustrating doing this because of you know, A,
Speaker 4: B and C, and you know, I guess it's why
Speaker 4: not have a discussion about that and let people know
Speaker 4: exactly what goes on to a certain extent.
Speaker 2: Do you ever get tired of the fact that if
Speaker 2: people are defining the band as like this chaotic thing.
Speaker 4: I get I get a little bit I get a
Speaker 4: little bit tired of Like recently, I mean We've been
Speaker 4: having like a glowing reviews for this record, and there's
Speaker 4: still like, you know, South London degenerates and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: hang on a minute, man, Like you know, sure everybody
Speaker 4: was like bang on the drug and the rest of it,
Speaker 4: but I mean everybody in this band's got like mental
Speaker 4: health issues and the rest of it. And it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know where people get off like
Speaker 4: repeating that over and over and over again, even once
Speaker 4: you put something far more kind of like developed on
Speaker 4: the table. And what I mean, what other justification do
Speaker 4: we have to sort of offer to sort of like
Speaker 4: rid ourselves of that title?
Speaker 3: You know, I think.
Speaker 4: At least shows that we have been, if nothing else,
Speaker 4: kind of dedicated to the music. And that's kind of
Speaker 4: what it's about, not like behaving like a bunch of
Speaker 4: like morons, you know people. And we did behave like moron,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't the whole point.
Speaker 3: I think you got to you gotta.
Speaker 5: Let loose, don't you They be able to let loose
Speaker 5: on like boredom.
Speaker 2: No, I mean you guys were so dedicated to it,
Speaker 2: in fact that you relocated to Sheffield, yeah exactly, which
Speaker 2: is not something exactly that's not quite a big feet.
Speaker 4: Not a lot of people would go and spend a
Speaker 4: year or two of the life in another part of
Speaker 4: the country where don't know any and the social lives
Speaker 4: kind of gone and all the rest of it, just
Speaker 4: so they can kind of like get on with what
Speaker 4: they were doing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I think became a kind of adopted a kind of
Speaker 5: president Stence and for two years, well like stopped but
Speaker 5: I don't know sensual things but then't fuck or anything
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: No sex, just for music.
Speaker 4: Monk like a hermitude up in Sheffield. That was what
Speaker 4: it was. It was a hermitude. Come on, were you
Speaker 4: still you were still wanking though, yeah, but not that much.
Speaker 4: You gave up on the sensual like you stopped sucking,
Speaker 4: but you were still you have a wank what every
Speaker 4: three days?
Speaker 5: It's not a lot bashing, It's not I wasn't thinking
Speaker 5: like you know, I was lonely.
Speaker 4: What about you know what about the spot about the
Speaker 4: truckloads of ganga that you were smoking?
Speaker 3: Was that not sensual?
Speaker 4: But that's to go in okay, And the ket in
Speaker 4: that's to go in deeper, okay. So just masturbation kit
Speaker 4: him in weed booze. But other than that, totally non sensual.
Speaker 3: Not even other than that, it was a it was
Speaker 3: a pristine almost you know, you don't take it.
Speaker 5: You don't take it like them in to go out
Speaker 5: there like hey, I'm socializing with.
Speaker 3: You know, you're on your own. I know you don't.
Speaker 3: You don't usually take Heroin to go out either.
Speaker 5: You can anyway, Why do you have to bring it
Speaker 5: down that fucking alley.
Speaker 3: I'm not going down to alley. I'm just you know,
Speaker 3: if you're going to deny the sensual, and then the
Speaker 3: sensual was denied, I will leave it at that. We'll
Speaker 3: leave it at that. What was it?
Speaker 2: What was it about? So when did you move to Sheffield?
Speaker 2: Was at the beginning of twenty seventy.
Speaker 4: We finished Mixton Academy, which was like what September or
Speaker 4: something October that year, and then we all went on
Speaker 4: We all went on separate ways for a bit. Nathan
Speaker 4: went to Mexico for a couple of months to get clean.
Speaker 4: I went to cambody allowed to sort of wander around,
Speaker 4: So I went to New York because everybody went really
Speaker 4: their opposite ways for a few months, and then me
Speaker 4: and Nathan relocated back up up north to Sheffield for
Speaker 4: the long haul.
Speaker 3: It was the middle of winter.
Speaker 2: And that was just that was just because you guys
Speaker 2: were like, we got to get out, get out of town.
Speaker 4: It was it was a plan that had been floating
Speaker 4: around for a for a year or so. I tried
Speaker 4: to sort of move everybody up there a year before,
Speaker 4: knowing full well that it was kind of slowly employing,
Speaker 4: but it had just fallen through.
Speaker 3: We didn't have the organization or whatever. But we had.
Speaker 4: A new manager based in Sheffield, and I'd started working
Speaker 4: in Sheffield because of the moon landings, so we already
Speaker 4: kind of knew a few people up there who could
Speaker 4: find us a little house, find us little studio. So
Speaker 4: it was like just getting a van, wage and stuff,
Speaker 4: move up there and east somewhere for you that sort
Speaker 4: of start out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like just showing up in Sheffield and going
Speaker 4: down the estate. I mean, you have to sort there
Speaker 4: was a little bit of planning that to go into it. Sure,
Speaker 4: but yeah, we just packed a van full of stuff
Speaker 4: and it was and yeah, we had this little five
Speaker 4: bedroom house. It was like seven hundred pan a month
Speaker 4: or something like that. This little studio it was like twenty
Speaker 4: five quid. It was like a bit studio, a bit
Speaker 4: like this, but like overlooking a little canal in like
Speaker 4: this industrial kind of like the state, this industrial kind
Speaker 4: of wasteland at a cliff opposite.
Speaker 3: A place called City Sauna. Did you watched it?
Speaker 4: It was a shown Channel four called a very British
Speaker 4: bro brothel.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I've seen a trailer for. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. Like episode one, they're trying to put in
Speaker 4: a glory hale, you know, but they put it in,
Speaker 4: they put it. It's not it's not deep, and I'm
Speaker 4: just it's not it's too shallow. It's too shallow to
Speaker 4: put it up too high.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's too high up for smaller gentleman.
Speaker 4: And they have to put like another gloryhole in and
Speaker 4: they have to make it slightly deeper, and it's like
Speaker 4: it's really it's really funny.
Speaker 3: But that was opposite. That was like the only other.
Speaker 4: Thing going on in the area was just this brothel,
Speaker 4: you know, right, ropey as hell, you know, But was it.
Speaker 2: Just it was just you two that moved up first,
Speaker 2: Adam and Severn, but they didn't really stick stick it
Speaker 2: out too long.
Speaker 4: Severyone really missed London. I mean fair enough for he's
Speaker 4: you know, London sort of born and bred, and it's
Speaker 4: quite a big ask really, And we didn't really have
Speaker 4: any idea what we were doing. It's not like we had
Speaker 4: loads of like song ideas to sort of like we
Speaker 4: was like day one, like what we're going to do
Speaker 4: from scratch, Yeah, like literally pissing around on keyboards and
Speaker 4: just like anything.
Speaker 3: You know. So it was obviously going to take a
Speaker 3: long time. That became quite apparent. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 3: going to be done in a six months. It was
Speaker 3: going to take it was going to take a year.
Speaker 3: How it took a year. It took about a year.
Speaker 3: It took about it took about a year of writing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, was there a moment when it started to
Speaker 3: work when you felt.
Speaker 4: Like there were a few There were a couple of
Speaker 4: so of Yeah, there were a few songs or like
Speaker 4: rough ideas like skeletons for tunes that were like, okay,
Speaker 4: we've kind of got some kind of direction. The main
Speaker 4: one was feet really, I think that was kind of
Speaker 4: like it was good because it was so different. I mean,
Speaker 4: the original demo was just like real like ten minute
Speaker 4: long techno kind of like to me an acid sort
Speaker 4: of like jammed thing that was like, didn't that anything
Speaker 4: like fat white, But it was kind of it was
Speaker 4: curious to us, I think because it didn't you know,
Speaker 4: it was like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like a challenge in a way.
Speaker 3: You know, So it was.
Speaker 4: Something a bit different, but we yeah, we could be
Speaker 4: there was there was a few songs that kind of
Speaker 4: start to show up, and then you get to a
Speaker 4: point where you've nearly got like half a record, and
Speaker 4: then you kind of know that it's just about yeah,
Speaker 4: you're gonna pull it off at some point, you know.
Speaker 4: But the first few months was a bit like, you know,
Speaker 4: did you like Sheffle though just generally like it as
Speaker 4: a place. It strikes me as like a nice creative
Speaker 4: place to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4: I think if you want to like get your head
Speaker 4: down and work or whatever, it's kind of perfect.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so distractions, I guess doesn't.
Speaker 4: Have the distractions. Everybody's really sound, everybody talks to each other.
Speaker 4: It's kind of it's kind of a good it's a
Speaker 4: good it's a good kind of it's a good community
Speaker 4: kind of feel up there that you don't Did you
Speaker 4: get really so much in London anymore?
Speaker 3: I guess you know, did you miss it down here
Speaker 3: with elements? Yeah?
Speaker 5: You were like I used to come back and said,
Speaker 5: but you know, you just move on. I left for
Speaker 5: different I was running a studio.
Speaker 3: And a lot, but they're going tour.
Speaker 7: There's no point keeping a studio going if you're going
Speaker 7: to be on tour where all your money is going
Speaker 7: to running a business, so you're not even going to
Speaker 7: be running like I had to like cut that.
Speaker 5: If I didn't have a studio, there was nothing for
Speaker 5: me to work on.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I missed it.
Speaker 4: I used to come down a lot of different weekends
Speaker 4: and cut loose or whatever, you know, just see friends
Speaker 4: and that.
Speaker 3: But it's only two hours on the train.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not that you're both back in town
Speaker 4: now moment.
Speaker 3: But tom Bean, see where tour leads us? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You never really know when you start getting a bus
Speaker 3: and then about you later. You've got no idea what's
Speaker 3: going to happen.
Speaker 2: I read that you guys whilst did Field we're listening
Speaker 2: to I think that the quote on your press release
Speaker 2: with the record is like Jesus and George my wamby.
Speaker 3: Side one with just one whamb side? What is the
Speaker 3: wham B side? Blue? Armed with Love? Okay? Really yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really odd. But how did you cut? Did you?
Speaker 3: Is this just a tune that you knew from? Like
Speaker 3: you he started playing? Now where does that come from?
Speaker 5: I was just scrolling through YouTube and it came up
Speaker 5: and I was like, holy shoot, that's all right and
Speaker 5: Blue I keep talking talking something keep them.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the yass thing was that? That was
Speaker 4: because I blame lou Reid for that. That was that
Speaker 4: talk has article he did about Jesus, you know, get
Speaker 4: artists to write I'm different. And I was never listened
Speaker 4: to Kenny West before, and I was like lou Reid
Speaker 4: was just bigging it up.
Speaker 8: And I was like, oh man, maybe it's something in there,
Speaker 8: but he is.
Speaker 3: Sold for already, but it is, yeah, I'm already what
Speaker 3: was it? The B side? Tiptop? All right? Okay, well tiptop?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does go on for about five minutes to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we can talking listen.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Once George starts going, it's a
Speaker 4: little I hear that so sexy, And I was.
Speaker 3: I was sad when George when I was sad when
Speaker 3: I know it was at the end of that year
Speaker 3: when everyone.
Speaker 4: When yeah he really he managed to really see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like, oh, yeah, that one. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it got me for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: He just seem like a really kind of just seemed
Speaker 4: like a great guy, didn't he. You know, that whole
Speaker 4: let's go outside thing was just the best fucking thing ever,
Speaker 4: you know, really, that crystal Yeah, the way the toilet spam.
Speaker 3: I love that attitude, man, love it, love it. I
Speaker 3: mean I've always liked I've always liked George Michael.
Speaker 4: But then when he died and you get that thing,
Speaker 4: don't Yeah, you have a sort of like renaissance man.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 3: He was amazing, wasn't he? Like?
Speaker 4: I wanted him to sing on songs for our mothers.
Speaker 4: Saul shot down the idea immediately. I wanted him to
Speaker 4: do some like some of that groany ship he does
Speaker 4: there at the end of esn't and.
Speaker 3: He would have done it, I reckon.
Speaker 4: And what I hear what I hear about George Michael
Speaker 4: and his music tastes, and he's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, he's his general kind of like joy
Speaker 4: de Vive.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think there's a pretty good chance he might have
Speaker 4: been like, oh, yeah, I'll do I'll do it, you know,
Speaker 4: I'll do a groan for fat White Family.
Speaker 3: I reckon it's a possibility.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's sordid enough for George gotten into bed
Speaker 4: with it a little bit, you know.
Speaker 3: So that's that's what you woure listening. You would be
Speaker 3: listening to that track.
Speaker 4: We'll be listening to that track, and we've been listening
Speaker 4: to we were listening to users kind of obsessively.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was just really the juxtaposition.
Speaker 4: Between everything that he was banging on about and our
Speaker 4: like little gray terroraced house in Sheffield. I don't know,
Speaker 4: there was just something fantastical about it. It was like, you know,
Speaker 4: our little lounge with a head full of kettmen just
Speaker 4: this kind of like sort of sunken kind of like
Speaker 4: l a kind of like like this sort of incredible
Speaker 4: just towering narcissism and bombasts, you know, and just filth, just.
Speaker 3: Absolute filth of very kind.
Speaker 4: And I don't know it just felt like an affront
Speaker 4: to everything that I stood for, which I kind of
Speaker 4: I think I needed a shot of that. Sometimes you
Speaker 4: need to just let that it's just like, actually, fuck it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm kind of on board with this. Actually a moment,
Speaker 4: was there an actual moment when the kind of the
Speaker 4: band all came back together that you can remember, Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, it came back together a few times and
Speaker 4: then split up a few times, and then you know,
Speaker 4: it's like we're waiting for that. Yeah, we're still waiting
Speaker 4: on that. Yeah, I reckon in about two May first
Speaker 4: apparently rumor has it. Yeah, man, any any day there
Speaker 4: many we're gonna get him all in the same room
Speaker 4: at the same time.
Speaker 3: I can't. Actually it's going to be a bo It's
Speaker 3: going to be but I'm bored. I'ms like from that,
Speaker 3: but from that moment where like you said that, once
Speaker 3: you finished the last Records tour and you kind of
Speaker 3: all went your separate way, Yeah, do spirts Recorders of
Speaker 3: the World?
Speaker 2: Did you then, Like, when was the moment when you
Speaker 2: kind of I mean, I suppose its different because you
Speaker 2: guys are brothers, you're kind of always in touch.
Speaker 4: I guess say that Unfortunately it's not necessarily true.
Speaker 3: Thirty years, maybe you don't feel like it's true.
Speaker 2: Is it Is it hard being in band in a
Speaker 2: band as brothers or do you get that feeling like.
Speaker 5: They don't really think about it because we've always been
Speaker 5: in a band brothers.
Speaker 3: It's weird.
Speaker 4: It's weird you don't well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's like it announced, it's got
Speaker 4: you've got cloths and cons there in it.
Speaker 3: I think you can irritate each other in ways that.
Speaker 4: Are kind of unfathomable to like normal people that are
Speaker 4: like just bystanders to the situation.
Speaker 3: People that are kind of.
Speaker 4: Your parents always drive you in exactly, why are you
Speaker 4: being addiced to your mom like she's yeah, exactly, you've
Speaker 4: got aund someone's house and it's like, man, why are
Speaker 4: you talking to your mother? Like it's exactly like that,
Speaker 4: you know, like there's certain things he does that make
Speaker 4: me want to like smash his face in that well,
Speaker 4: like other people are just completely.
Speaker 3: Like you wouldn't even notice them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and obviously there's kind of like you spend that much.
Speaker 3: I mean, me and him have always.
Speaker 4: Been in each other's company. It's like, well, forever.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: I came to London when I was eighteen and I
Speaker 4: think that was the only year I lived separate to
Speaker 4: naighth And he showed up a year later and I stiff,
Speaker 4: I could if you could sleep on my couch because
Speaker 4: he got thrown out of school and he said he's
Speaker 4: going to stay for a.
Speaker 3: Week or two. That was fourteen years ago.
Speaker 4: He's still, he's still, he's still, he's still living.
Speaker 3: Like at my at my flat now, you know.
Speaker 4: I remember, sure he showed up at Liverpool Street station
Speaker 4: with a little bag and that was that was the
Speaker 4: end of our time apart like but I guess because
Speaker 4: of our parents kind of like divorce and all this
Speaker 4: kind of crap that happened when we were growing up,
Speaker 4: moving around and stuff. We were always quite quite tight inevitably, yeah,
Speaker 4: and we were, you know, we were living in Scotland
Speaker 4: and Northern Ireland and you know it's like always shifting around.
Speaker 5: How many years are there between the two two three
Speaker 5: two three quarters?
Speaker 3: Two and three quarters?
Speaker 4: I think I'm I think I'm looking younger.
Speaker 3: What do you do? Do you think it looks younger?
Speaker 2: I've got I think Nathan's got the course huge not just.
Speaker 3: That comes that comes before the end. But you look good.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the understand.
Speaker 3: I give it a try.
Speaker 2: You know, my brother's two years older than me, so
Speaker 2: I'm like that you in that in that situation, being
Speaker 2: the younger.
Speaker 3: Do you do you have any other siblings. We've got
Speaker 3: we've got a big brother. Yeah, okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, that's a little bit different because it's just
Speaker 2: me and him, and so I've always been like the
Speaker 2: youngest and therefore like the kind of you know, the
Speaker 2: youngest always the favorite, right.
Speaker 9: You got called the chosen one, my father calls me
Speaker 9: the chosen to be chosen, to be chosen, to be
Speaker 9: it is cold.
Speaker 4: But to be chosen by your father is meaningless. And
Speaker 4: so it's all about your mother's love. That's that's the
Speaker 4: love of the charts.
Speaker 3: That's true. Nobody father's love. It's irrelevant, man, for your
Speaker 3: mum's favorite. Of course, he is little little. She wouldn't
Speaker 3: hold me as she wouldn't know. That's because you shit
Speaker 3: and scream and vomit everywhere the whole time. But she
Speaker 3: still put up with you. That's how deep he love is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess you know there's a love there.
Speaker 2: So in terms of making stuff up when you were
Speaker 2: making it, when you were all together and you were
Speaker 2: putting it, putting it together up there were you all
Speaker 2: getting on, was it or was it like a happy
Speaker 2: record to make?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean yes and no.
Speaker 3: When we were actually doing the record, it was fine.
Speaker 4: But there was a whole kind of like beef that
Speaker 4: went off with Nathan just before we started the proceedings
Speaker 4: and he was basically well, he went.
Speaker 3: On strike or he was asked to leave.
Speaker 4: It was kind of a bit it's a bit confusing
Speaker 4: now actually exactly what happened. But Nathan wasn't there for
Speaker 4: the first bunch of sessions and that kind of cast
Speaker 4: a big shadow over everything. But it was all to
Speaker 4: do with hang ups with Saul from the past when
Speaker 4: sort of been like mad on crack and a complete
Speaker 4: like fucking barbarian and traumatized everybody really kind of back then,
Speaker 4: you know, And it was kind of to do with
Speaker 4: all that behavior, all those star was kind of claims
Speaker 4: came to this one clean and lucid. There were a
Speaker 4: lot of hang upstairs and a lot of shitty politics
Speaker 4: to sort of sift through. Eventually it's fine, but initially
Speaker 4: it was kind of like well, we couldn't really be
Speaker 4: in the same room together.
Speaker 3: I mean we did for a while. We had some
Speaker 3: good times.
Speaker 4: We went out to Norway to plan the record with
Speaker 4: our friend on like a little house up by a
Speaker 4: fjord there and do the last bit of writing and
Speaker 4: we planned everything. But it wasn't exactly smooth now, but
Speaker 4: when we were actually in the sessions.
Speaker 3: It was all quite This time around was actually really
Speaker 3: quite fun. Songs.
Speaker 4: For our mothers was just pure pain. But this was
Speaker 4: actually everybody working around each other. It was a bigger
Speaker 4: team of musicians as well.
Speaker 2: You know, does it affect do you feel like the
Speaker 2: music that comes out of it? Do you think that's
Speaker 2: greatly affected by just how well you're getting on, Because
Speaker 2: you know, there are some bands, like historically a band
Speaker 2: like Black Sabbath, for example, believe that if you were
Speaker 2: friends with the rest of the band and that was
Speaker 2: going to make for terrible music. They loved the fact
Speaker 2: that they kind of hated each other as we As
Speaker 2: I've already said, like some bands kind of feel like
Speaker 2: they have to pretend that they love each other. Do
Speaker 2: you think it like affects the end result? Like the
Speaker 2: music is like this record compared to your previous records
Speaker 2: and the relationships that you've all had.
Speaker 4: I think, I think, on on on one level for us.
Speaker 3: It's definitely way better.
Speaker 4: Everybody's communicating quite openly and getting on, but they're on
Speaker 4: another sort.
Speaker 3: Of almost more profound level.
Speaker 4: I think what's kind of made this record for me
Speaker 4: the best one anyway is that other people's ideas are
Speaker 4: at the at the four and I guess the war
Speaker 4: that did occur within the group over this record was
Speaker 4: over that and other whose ideas get prominent and who
Speaker 4: is the kind of overall caretaker of those ideas and
Speaker 4: who Nathan wrote a bunch, So the conflict kind of
Speaker 4: came from that situation. So even though there was a
Speaker 4: kind of contentment open communication within the studio when he
Speaker 4: wasn't there, the whole thing was kind of born of
Speaker 4: this sort of like this conflict of interest and his
Speaker 4: power struggle. So that didn't really go away completely. It
Speaker 4: was just sort of like omnipotent in a way, you know,
Speaker 4: like and it took.
Speaker 3: Ages to resolve. So it's a it's a bit of
Speaker 3: it's a bit of both worlds.
Speaker 4: I mean, personally, I mean, I'd rather I'd rather it
Speaker 4: or you know, I'd rather everybody got on and and
Speaker 4: communicate it openly. But there's always I think there's always
Speaker 4: going to be a part where it's kind of a
Speaker 4: it's kind of a war, a bit of a conflict.
Speaker 4: When you're collaborating, it's kind.
Speaker 5: Of you can't really foresee any external kind of forces
Speaker 5: coming coming within sometimes, so you could get everything said
Speaker 5: within the band, but then something happens outside and it
Speaker 5: throws a whole spanner in the works.
Speaker 3: Is you know, it's the same in any relationship. It's
Speaker 3: always going to suck up. Yeah, you need you need
Speaker 3: a bit of conflict in it.
Speaker 5: The more the more the more conflict, the more you
Speaker 5: I think you're trying to use it that situation, I
Speaker 5: think the better you'll be able to handle it in
Speaker 5: the future, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think as a group of people, you're working your
Speaker 4: way through like these conflicts and these things. You know,
Speaker 4: you're working your way through your relationships with each other,
Speaker 4: and you're trying to sort of salvage it by doing
Speaker 4: this music.
Speaker 5: You know, you're like, if you got a puppy, you'd
Speaker 5: want your puppy to be shitting on the floor as
Speaker 5: much as possible, and it's for six months, so you
Speaker 5: could then not shop on the floor after, you know,
Speaker 5: just like so you have to give a little snack,
Speaker 5: you get into violence and anything about snap and its neck, okay, and.
Speaker 3: Then the crime of passion, and then it will be
Speaker 3: a good dog.
Speaker 2: Do you think with this obviously because the record came
Speaker 2: out last week, no this week, do you think that
Speaker 2: because people have kind of historically loved to be outraged
Speaker 2: by your music, do you think there's anything in this
Speaker 2: record or do you think people are going to be
Speaker 2: going to be able to find the amount of outrage
Speaker 2: they will want.
Speaker 4: To think if Davey, if they sift around long enough,
Speaker 4: they'll find the outrage that they sort des I definitely
Speaker 4: put some outrage in there. I just made it slightly
Speaker 4: less explicit this time. I think I've had a lot
Speaker 4: more kind of of an open approach to writing the thing,
Speaker 4: and kind of it's definitely more idiosyncratic as far as
Speaker 4: I'm concerned, and I haven't been kind of so conscious
Speaker 4: of giving people sort of signposts and ironic kind of
Speaker 4: like explicitly ironic kind of gestures and things like that.
Speaker 3: Just keep it kind of I wanted.
Speaker 4: It to sort of be sort sort of elusive, you know,
Speaker 4: like you have to sort of chase it a little
Speaker 4: bit to kind of get it, you know, like it
Speaker 4: wasn't just sort of like a courteous away. That's the
Speaker 4: way I've thought about that much. Sounded incredibly pretentious.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: When I told a friend of mine who writes for
Speaker 2: the magazine and Daniel till Ray, I told him that
Speaker 2: we were recording this, and I said, is anything you
Speaker 2: think I should ask for these guys? And he's from
Speaker 2: Sheffield sid there forever still lives there, and he asked
Speaker 2: me the three questions he told me to ask.
Speaker 3: They're all Sheffield bays.
Speaker 2: One of them said, ask them about their first ever
Speaker 2: gig in the city and the football who looking.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, what is that first time? The Blades crew?
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Sheffield.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds a lot more than they'd called the Blades.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got a lot of the BBC they call him.
Speaker 5: But he did come in with a big machete.
Speaker 4: He took Adam Harmer's guitar and walked off the street
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 3: He threatened everybody in the bar. Where was it?
Speaker 4: This was on London Road where we ended up living
Speaker 4: like five years later, like just this little pub I
Speaker 4: can't remember the name of it that's changed hands, changed hands,
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, what year is this, like two thousand
Speaker 4: and fourteen, early days, you know. It was a tiny
Speaker 4: pol There was about thirty people there and we you know,
Speaker 4: this is our first time and we were just like, man,
Speaker 4: this proper sketchy up here in it, proper ship all.
Speaker 3: We never fucking going back to Sheffield. Man, don't get
Speaker 3: out of the van.
Speaker 2: Man, you were playing a show in this problem. What
Speaker 2: a guy turns up yeah with a proper.
Speaker 3: Heavy yeah yeah, and a fair fair blaze of the landlord.
Speaker 4: He went out after him up the street, you know,
Speaker 4: and they got the police and they managed to get
Speaker 4: Adam's guitar back, you know, but he was really angry.
Speaker 3: It was really upset.
Speaker 4: I don't know what he was upset, but the same
Speaker 4: guy right randomly the next time we came to play Sheffield. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this had become like you know, folklore within the band,
Speaker 4: like Sheffield Man, the fucking nuts up there, Blades Crewed BBC,
Speaker 4: you know, And we got to Sheffield and everybody was
Speaker 4: kind of a little bit you know. For the next
Speaker 4: gig and it was like a little sold out show
Speaker 4: at the Harley, and we were all like sketching anyway
Speaker 4: because we're on torn or hagging from the speed.
Speaker 3: And we were all sit downstairs.
Speaker 4: In the bar and the pine and he walks in
Speaker 4: the exact same guy. He sits down in opposite three
Speaker 4: of us sat there, he points at the goes.
Speaker 3: You pull here. It was just like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: is wrong with this guy? You know? Is he like
Speaker 3: following the man around? And so like, how are we
Speaker 3: what have we done to aggravate It's like, did your
Speaker 3: drama go over to it?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Man, we all went upstairs if we didn't come back
Speaker 3: down until the gig. We were like, fuck Sheffield, man,
Speaker 3: this place is wrong. You know it was. It was.
Speaker 4: It was terrifying, man, because I knows we're already rattled
Speaker 4: from that first bout of proper touring.
Speaker 3: But you came so that so that was your first
Speaker 3: ever gig in the city. Your second was the Harley.
Speaker 4: That was the one where I covered myself and my
Speaker 4: own ship like it was like it was a native
Speaker 4: That was then second question, yeah, second, yeah, that was
Speaker 4: so the second one that the guy showed up at.
Speaker 3: That was the dirty protist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they went they were it was you know,
Speaker 4: you got given drinks talkings. It was like you have
Speaker 4: you can have a cider or an air. It was
Speaker 4: like I have a beer and they were like, no,
Speaker 4: you can't. And I was like, it's a sold out gear.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is my first ever proper tour where
Speaker 4: it's like fourteen gigs in a row, and this is
Speaker 4: like six, you know, so I've already started to learn
Speaker 4: that if you take a lot of ecstasy on night
Speaker 4: one and a lot of speed that buy a gig
Speaker 4: like five or six, you pretty much want to hang
Speaker 4: yourself and never go on stage of it again. So
Speaker 4: I was learning like the hard way, and you know,
Speaker 4: and I was very angry at this point in time
Speaker 4: because you know, I don't think we've been signed yet,
Speaker 4: so you're working full time, but you're still just destitute.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like what is going on here?
Speaker 4: All these people are here, Why don't you know, why
Speaker 4: don't I have like a hotel room or like.
Speaker 3: Anything, you know, and now you're being refused to beer.
Speaker 3: And now you're being refused to.
Speaker 4: Beer right, and you know, I get like gut right anywhere,
Speaker 4: and I get terrible nerves, and I've been kind of
Speaker 4: like schooling myself on Gigi Allen, And at that point
Speaker 4: in time, I was like, well, nobody really cares, but
Speaker 4: obviously it's kind of like let's just see how far
Speaker 4: we can push this, you know what I mean, Let's
Speaker 4: see how like how nasty are kind of like performance
Speaker 4: you can actually put on just to sort of.
Speaker 3: Just to see, just to test it. Yeah, it's happened.
Speaker 3: What was the reaction? I mean, it was like it
Speaker 3: was like Moses.
Speaker 4: I felt like Moses, you know, It's like you could
Speaker 4: just cut through this this this crowd of people, like
Speaker 4: they were like not not even there, you know, but
Speaker 4: I put my hand down and shut in my hand
Speaker 4: and put put it across my face like like you know,
Speaker 4: Indian warping or whatever, and they just started going at it,
Speaker 4: you know, like going at just attacking the audience and that.
Speaker 4: But it was, it was it was amazing, and my
Speaker 4: whole band were terrified, and even Saul was scared of me.
Speaker 4: For once I went towards Saul on stage, he was
Speaker 4: like backing off.
Speaker 3: You know at that point, what were you thinking? At
Speaker 3: that point? It's just it's smell horrible. It smelled really bad.
Speaker 3: We you're just thinking he's lost he's actually lost his mind.
Speaker 5: Now, Oh no, I didn't think he'd lose his mind.
Speaker 3: It's just hot.
Speaker 5: It smell like baby ship, didn't smell like adults ship.
Speaker 5: So it's just like, fuck off, get away from ny Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 4: The only one that didn't notice was Adam Harmer because
Speaker 4: he was on so much Drugger. So I ended up
Speaker 4: like tonguing him on stage, like covered in my own ship,
Speaker 4: and he didn't notice. After the gig man, but there
Speaker 4: was one guy in the crowd who was really into it.
Speaker 4: It was really weird, and I was like I was
Speaker 4: naked from I was wearing a suit, but I was
Speaker 4: naked from the waist down.
Speaker 3: And this guy, you know, he kept like pushing into me.
Speaker 4: Was the only guy who would give it any you know,
Speaker 4: And I ended up I ended up like on his shoulders,
Speaker 4: riding him around, like whipping him with his belt, and
Speaker 4: somebody got his belt off and I ended up on
Speaker 4: his shoulders and I was like riding him around the
Speaker 4: Harley like he was like he was a horse or something,
Speaker 4: covered in this ship wearing this suit but with and
Speaker 4: it was like it was. It was really like as
Speaker 4: kind of low down as I think it's.
Speaker 3: So Sheffield's got the energies in Sheffield. What did you
Speaker 3: think the next day?
Speaker 4: Like when you I thought, I bet the rest of
Speaker 4: the tour is going to sell good now, right, people
Speaker 4: don't want to see this band.
Speaker 3: After that, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I felt proud, man, I felt like, you know, that
Speaker 4: was a you know, that was another frontier. I don't
Speaker 4: have to do it again and to do it every
Speaker 4: night or anything, but at least I was interested to
Speaker 4: know how that feels to be in like a crowd
Speaker 4: of people and have this music and a microphone and
Speaker 4: be covered in your own feces. You know, it's just
Speaker 4: like a curious no regrets at all over that one,
Speaker 4: and then they call us degenera. Yeah, that self expression
Speaker 4: at its most like visceral.
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