1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Jeff McNeil has finally been traded to the Athletics for 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old kid from Cuba who played in 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: the DSL. Crazy Mets are sending money. Jeff McNeil's no 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: longer on this team. We're gonna talk about it just 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: as a player, as burst a lot of things. There's 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: connections to this podcast for Jeff McNeil. I'm sure some 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: of you at home watching this are jumping for joy. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you are pulling your hair out. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Going what is this team doing? How can we get 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: rid of Jeff McNeil. There's a lot to talk about here. 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: Before we do, make sure you do subscribe. Classic us 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: drop an episode on Monday. David Stern selfish, couldn't wait 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: till Tuesday to give us the news. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: Had to make sure we double upload today. But that's 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: what we're doing for you guys. James, when you saw 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: the trade, when you saw the news, what did you think? 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: It's like you said, finally, it felt like the mess 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: have been trying to trade Jeff McNeil this all off season. 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 3: It felt like everybody in the Mets community was kind 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: of collectively waiting for the Messa trade. 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil. It was kind of like, if you're going 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: to trade all. 23 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: These other guys, like, what's Jeff McNeil still doing here? 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: Like it's and based on the way this trade going down, 25 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: receiving a seventeen year old DSL pitcher and kicking in 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: almost six million dollars and then agreeing to pay the 27 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: two million dollar buyout if Jeff's option is not exercise 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: next year, this was a where we are getting rid 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: of this guy by any means necessary. And this was 30 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: this was truthfully just a team that was willing to 31 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 3: take him. 32 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not. 33 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: A bad deal now for the A's if you think 34 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: about from their perspective from the Mets, they did pay 35 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: the A's to take him away again for a seventeen 36 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: year old cuban who signed last year and just started 37 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: playing professional baseball. He was born in two thousand and eight. 38 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Believe that's like the same year that Brandon Knew was drafted. 39 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: I think the year before Brandon was drafted by them. 40 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: As also two minutes ago from Francis Romero. With Jeff 41 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: McNeil gone, the Mets are believed to be exploring to 42 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: tell Marte or at least discussing him in trade talks. 43 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't think those two are related because Marcus sime 44 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: is still the second baseman. I mean, listen, I'll have 45 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: to tell Marte. 46 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: Not important, right, non point, not important, just just it 47 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: just happened on Twitter. So it's fine, but it's u 48 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: This is a continuation of what this offseason has been, 49 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 3: which was everything changing. We're getting rid of every single 50 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: player from the stench of the old world. I'm not 51 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: even saying the old world. Like the twenty twenty five Mets, 52 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: Jeff McNeil was the second guy left on this active 53 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: roster with any connection to the Wolpond owned Mets. Now 54 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: the last one is David Peterson, who debuted in twenty 55 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: twenty still didn't get a foothold in the league for 56 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: years after that. I think it was just a cast 57 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: that year. But this was We've now had the four 58 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: longest tenured Mets all just gotten rid of whether by 59 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 3: free edge of year trade in a month. 60 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a very good chance that David Peterson 61 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: might not be on this team either, come opening guy. 62 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: It's one of those moves where Jeff McNeil's. 63 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: Valuable, but on this team along with what possibly could 64 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: be the problems with him and Francisco Indoor that they've 65 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: now had multiple altercations with each other. 66 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: We remember the rat versus raccoon. 67 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: We heard after the Philly game that they got at 68 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: it probably just wasn't a good fit. And on a 69 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: team now that has Marcus Simeon, who is gonna play 70 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: better defensive second base, and while I think McNeil's a 71 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: better hitter, there's a world where they could end up 72 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: being the same hitter in twenty twenty six. 73 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would be surprised. 74 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: Along with bringing Jorge Polanco, who is gonna be first 75 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: base DH but could play second base. 76 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: If you need him to. 77 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Jeff just kind of didn't have a spot on this team, 78 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: and something that has been talked about it seems like 79 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: every offseason since David Surtas has been here is possibly 80 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: moving off Jeff McNeil. In that contract you mentioned, it's 81 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: the old garb of a Will Pond guy too with McNeil. Also, 82 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's a Billy Eppler guy too. Billy Eppler 83 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: gave him that contract and he's gone. 84 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: It's funny to think about that. 85 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: Billy Eppler offseason, where again. 86 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: Almost nobody from Billy Eppler stuff is still here because 87 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: even the prospects that some of that Billy Eppler. 88 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: Trade for some of them are gone. It also doesn't 89 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: look like many of them are gonna get big time 90 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: chances to do. I think scept Bryan cliffor Ran Cliff 91 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: is going to be the jewel from the Billy Eppler era. 92 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: But like you, you had him season where you it 93 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: was an objective failure, like you won a bunch of games, 94 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: you choke, you collapse against the Braves, and you fell 95 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: apart against the Padres, and like every single guy get 96 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: a big extension. Now every single one of those extensions 97 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: is off this team to three being edwind Ds, Jeff McNeil, 98 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: and Brandon Emo. 99 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: It's a oh, it's a lot to take in, but 100 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: we can't. The second the Mark. 101 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: Send me a trade happen, there was a five percent 102 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: chance Jeff McNeil was going to be on the team 103 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: opening day. 104 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: It would have been weird because the role would have 105 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: been starting left fielder. And as much as I love 106 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Jeff as a player and a dude like, I don't 107 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: feel the greatest with viz mess roster. Having Jeff McNeil 108 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: playing every single day in left field especially. 109 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 3: Easy to forget Jeff McNeil's coming off the race of 110 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: outlet surgery. So I don't know how that affects hitters, 111 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: but I'm sure, but we know how the effects pitchers, 112 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: so I'm sure with effect a guy like Jeff than 113 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: neil's arm in the outfield that wasn't the best arm 114 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: ever to begin with anyway. But this is now, like 115 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: this is a clear indication there is a lot of 116 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: additions that again keep saying it, but like now, especially 117 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: even without Jeff, like we now have kind of six 118 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: position players, guaranteed position players that are going to be 119 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: on this team in this line up opening day, truthfully, 120 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: like six is six is also that's a that's with 121 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: Polanco that sent me in a soloist, Lindor, that's Alvarez, 122 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: that's baby. 123 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 2: That's about Vanto's Right. 124 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: Now, this Mets bench with Carson benjen lineup and Tyson 125 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Tyrone Taylor in the lineup, has Ronnie Mariusio Luis and 126 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: Helicunya and Jared you On on the young on the 127 00:04:59,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: bench mark. 128 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: Viento's is the line up in this one every single day. 129 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: Like there there's a lot of holes to fill, and 130 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: as weird as it sounds for a team that had 131 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: a lot already, they kind of had to make another 132 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: one here with Jeff. 133 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it was it felt like it was 134 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: kind of that time. And I don't know, I still 135 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: like Jeff. I still think Jeff can be a good 136 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: baseball player. 137 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: I think he will be. I think he's gonna be 138 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: great out there. 139 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 3: He'll probably have a near eight hundred ops, probably twenty. Yeah, 140 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: I mean in his Met's career, when it's all said 141 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: and done, there were huge peaks and huge valleys, but 142 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: you had almost eight hundred ops. Like this was a 143 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: guy who was objectively a good hitter and a good 144 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: player for a long time ago Jeff and was playing 145 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: center field last year. Yeah, Like I think about think 146 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: about that for a second, but I do think that 147 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: there was a bit of this war probably did run 148 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: its course. Like there's probably we're trying to change the 149 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: culture of the attitudes in this clubhouse. I understand a 150 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: guy like Jeff maybe, which is sometimes it didn't really 151 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: fit with some of the other guys that much as 152 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: I was gonna say that diplomatically. 153 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, when you have like Lindor, who's I don't 154 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: want to say happy go lucky, but like is a 155 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: little bit looser of a player, We're like, Okay, there's 156 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: gonna be ups and downs in the season. 157 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: There's gonna be times where things go right and go well. 158 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: I think at times for teammates, it probably does get 159 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: a little bit old when Jeff lines out to the 160 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: second basement for the second time in a game and 161 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: comes in and smashes his helmet and freaks out. 162 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Like we've always talked about that. 163 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: We love that McNeil is so fucking crazy when he 164 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: plays and is insane, but like the little bit of 165 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: the red ass that he does have every once in 166 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: a while probably runs old over a one sixty two 167 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: when your team's not winning, especially when things are going 168 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: bad like they were, and it's just like, over and 169 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: over again, this happens. It's kind of sad that the 170 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: best ball that Jeff McNeil's played in the last few 171 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: years was down the second half of twenty twenty four, 172 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: and then he got hurt. He wasn't able to be 173 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: a part of that run, which is kind of funny too, 174 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: Like that was the best he was hitting. 175 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: And I think you and I also have just. 176 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: A different relationship Jeff McNeil, because you're literally like friendly 177 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: with him, Like during the pandemic, you guys became friends. 178 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: I met him a FaceTime. Then we got the job 179 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: with the Mets. He hugged us on the field like 180 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: the first day we were out there with our press passes. 181 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: So it's like there's probably a little softpar in our 182 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: soft spot in our hearts, more so for Jeff McNeil, 183 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 3: because it seems like the overwhelming reactions for Mets fans 184 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: is jubilation on the internet. 185 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, from a team building perspective, I get it, like 186 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I can, I can understand it. I'm not upset any 187 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: of that, but like I would be lying if I 188 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: didn't say, like it sucks. Like Jeff was extremely nice 189 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: to me. He wanted to stream on Twitch during COVID 190 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: because everybody did. I like replied to a tweet of 191 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: his being like, hey, I can help you set things up. 192 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: Did And then like you mentioned James, like me and 193 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: James used to be roommates. We used to live together 194 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: in Astoria. I'm sitting on the couch or watching TV, 195 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: like watching whatever, we are all of a sudden, Jeff 196 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: McNeil's face timing mate and I like answered, I'm like hey, 197 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: He's like what do you doing, like sitting on the couch, man, 198 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: what are you up to? 199 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Or like I was like, what's up, Jeff? Yeah, show 200 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: James like we're at a bar. 201 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: He would like shoot me a text, like, man, like 202 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: I hate this shit, Like whatever's going on in the game. 203 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: He's like the COVID rules, it sucks. Is so hard. 204 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: It's different playing baseball, played MLB the show with him 205 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: genuinely just one of the nicest guys. And James even 206 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: mentioned it, like when we got Mets up with the Mets, 207 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: like when they took us on. We walked onto the field, 208 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: I go to Jeff and James goes to Jeff to 209 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: go congratulate him for having a baby. He comes up 210 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: to us first, gives us a hug. He's like, so 211 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: happy for you guys, like the podcast, that's so cool. 212 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: What a nice fucking guy. 213 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Even when we interviewed him in the batting cages, here's 214 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: like a it was a point of contention because I 215 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: always told the people like I'm friends with this guy. 216 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: Can go up and talk to him, They're like, let 217 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: us go through the proper channels to get him on 218 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: the podcast. 219 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: He sees like, oh, he's excited to come on, Fellas. Yeah, 220 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: what's up? Fellas? Really just a very good dude. 221 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: The ups and downs, like you mentioned, were tough, and 222 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: people had gotten tired of Jeff McNeil. But I also like, 223 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: remember the good times where people love Jeff McNeil. If 224 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: you would have told people in like twenty twenty one, 225 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two that you wanted Jeff McNeil for trade 226 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: from this team, they would have been, what are you 227 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: an idiot? 228 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: Are you stupid? 229 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we're we're gonna be paying him to play 230 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 3: against us. He let got play thirty four games center 231 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: field last year, but he's a I don't know, like 232 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 3: you think back at that year and he won the 233 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: batting title in twenty twenty two, and then we interviewed 234 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 3: Buck show Walter after that and he was like, I'm 235 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: really worried how Jeff's gonna prepare and we have to 236 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: cut it out because the best cut out of our podcast. 237 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: They were like, I'm really worried about Jeff McNeil playing 238 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: against without the shift this year. That was really something 239 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: he relied upon. We were like, why are you telling 240 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: us this right now? 241 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: And then what's so funny is when we talked to Jeff, 242 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: he was like, I like pulling the ball. 243 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: Like I like pulling the baseball. That's what I'm at 244 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: my best. 245 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: So if you ever heard us talk about Jeff McNeil's 246 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: guy to get back to pulling the ball, that's why 247 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: we would say it. 248 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 3: And I think again, like we'll talk about the return 249 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: for the Mets in this, which again is it's a 250 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: young DSL pitcher, Jeff mcnil a good fit for this 251 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: A's team right now, Like for the A is a 252 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: team that probably wanted the second basement but didn't really 253 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: want to pay for one, wanted the veteran hitter but 254 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: didn't want to pay for one. The fact that the 255 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: Mets are going to pay down Jeff McNeil, you're you 256 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: get to pay in less than ten million dollars a year. 257 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: Bench players, like bench veterans don't even make that much money. 258 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: Well, looking at like how the Mets could fill in 259 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: this Jeff mcfeialld role, because that role is valuable to 260 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: this Mets team. It would be nice to have a 261 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: guy who could play infield positions along with the outfield 262 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: in a pinch if you needed it. 263 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: And that's what Jeff did, who. 264 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: Was a league average to ten percent league average better 265 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: than a hitter. You could pencil him in for that. 266 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: Finding that on the open market on the trade thing 267 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: not gonna be the easiest. Like, there aren't a lot 268 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: of players that fit that role, and that sucks truly. 269 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 3: I just don't think you get someone to fill that role, 270 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: like I think I can't. I think unless Luis and 271 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 3: Helaicunya gets better and can fill that role, or unless 272 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 3: you want to give Jet Williams a shot to fill 273 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: that role. 274 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think no one. 275 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: I don't think there's an external player that fills that role, 276 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 3: unless like. 277 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: Zach Kinstry, but I don't think the Tigers are trading him. 278 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: Like that's like comp kind. 279 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 3: Of like the Francis Romero report, Like total Marte theoretically 280 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: could play second base in outfield like Katl Marte could 281 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: give you some left field. Again, that's that's a pipe 282 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: dream right now. It's just it's where there's I mean, 283 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: good for us, it's gonna be a fun January. Usually 284 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: January it's a pretty dead month for baseball concept, I 285 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: think we're going to have a lot of player movement 286 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: because again right now, Lindor so though Sime and Polanco, 287 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: Bay the Alvarez, every single other spot in the lineup 288 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: on the team is pretty up for grabs at the moment, 289 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: and you're not. 290 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Really sure where Polanco's actually gonna even play. 291 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: And I don't think we're anywhere close to done with 292 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: any of the stuff. There's still has to be the 293 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 3: expectation of a trade, like I. 294 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: At least one trade. 295 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: Probably as different as this team looks right now compared 296 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: to the end of the season, we're going to have 297 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: similar amounts of differences between the way this team looks 298 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: right now and looks on opening Day. 299 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's the funny thing that me and you have 300 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: kind of always said about this team. As much as 301 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: people want to talk about like pitching, pitching, pitching, there's 302 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: no ace. The pitching stinks, blah blah blah blah, and 303 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: pitching did let us down towards the end of the year. 304 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: I look at this roster still in the off season, 305 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: I go the offense is by far a bigger the 306 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: biggest concern right now. 307 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: This entire team Francisco Lindor just putting up his first 308 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: like training video doing like doing, doing field work somewhere. 309 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: Three minutes after the trade gets announced. 310 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: It seems like he might seems like those guys might 311 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: have hated each other the second the second happened. 312 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: The semi and traiders, all right, there's no ways guy's 313 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: going to be of course, and then they signed Polanco 314 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: and then you just hear about you. 315 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: But in the in the planco press conference today, despite 316 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: some crazy lines of question from some of the Mets report, 317 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 3: there's the Polanco revealed that the Mets told him the 318 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: plan was first dh and then the last auxiliar position 319 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: will be third base. Okay, all right, so don't I 320 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: don't think he's a guy to play second base, But 321 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: I still think that that means there is room for 322 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: other second base options on the roster. 323 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I give you another second base 324 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: option on the roster. Oh name rhymes with met Madi. 325 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Brett Batty played second base last year. They probably just 326 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: go if we need Simeon to have a day off, 327 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Brett Baty goes to second, Polanco to third. 328 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: That's gotta be what they're thinking. I think. 329 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, or again just keeping the door open for 330 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: anything that's a that's our blessed right now. You could 331 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 3: basically add a player that plays any position on the field, 332 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. Are you a warm 333 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: body and you're better than movies on Helicuna or Jered Young? 334 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: Guess what you're on the major league roster? 335 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could get any feather right now who's playing 336 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: anywhere but short stops. There's no short stops available. See, 337 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: the world is our oyster still, but we keep going 338 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: in the wrong direction to have of accumulated players and 339 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: not the right direction. We're how many more players can 340 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: get added to this active roster before opening day? 341 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: Woo Okay, let me see. 342 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: So you mentioned that there's six legitimate I think the 343 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: guys that are hitting. 344 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna count through the roster. That's how'm gonna know. 345 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: So we got Lindor Simeon, Sodo, Polanco, Batty Alvarez. Those 346 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: guys are not going anywhere. I think those six are guarantees. 347 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: Then McLain Holmes, two of the Manaya, Peterson, Sanga, knnglomb 348 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: So let's put us at ten and then in the bullpen, 349 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: Devin Williams, Luke Weaver, Mintor Raley's fourteen, Wasscar brose Bond's fifteen. 350 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: Just about the option. He does have the option. 351 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: There's about ten open spots that are gonna be pretty 352 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: fluid on this roster. I think the Bets have to 353 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: bring in at least seven guys minimum, and. 354 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: Aj Minter will be on the IL on opening day. 355 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, there's there's so many guys. 356 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: So we still have about half of an active roster. 357 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: We played this We played this game in the podcast. 358 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: Came out to you guys this morning about we can 359 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: make four moves. 360 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. I still you still out the field. 361 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: It's still outfield. 362 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: These are famous last words, but it does feel like 363 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: there's going to be some way, shape or form that 364 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: one of these there's a big outfielder on this team. 365 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: On opening day. 366 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: It has to be somebody kind of like there has 367 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: to be, especially when you had this Steve Collen Tyrant 368 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: Tyrade the other day being like, people are talking about 369 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: payroll they don't really know, so it seems like an 370 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: indication that the payroll will be on par with's where 371 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 3: it's been, which is one of the highest payrolls in 372 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 3: the league north of three hundred and twenty five million. 373 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: Got an extra ten million to spend, So yeah, exactly. 374 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: I mean, we're paying jeffmcneil play against us again, like 375 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: don't don't want to leave this without talking about the 376 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,119 Speaker 3: return or Don Rodriguez. 377 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: But there's also just not that much out there on him. 378 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 3: He's a seventeen year old with a good frame, so 379 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: I think just you want to get him into our 380 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: pitching lab and see if you can turn him into 381 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 3: a potential future starter. I got a report from a 382 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: prospect guy I know in a discord that he's got 383 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: a low nineties fastball, but I think they can add more. 384 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: There's a respectable change up and a curve like it. 385 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: Just yeah, it looks like a picture. He's again, it's 386 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 3: give us anything for this amount of money if you 387 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: want us to kick in this much money. This is 388 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: a group of prospects that we want. That was kind 389 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: of the way the haggling probably goes down for a 390 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: move like this. 391 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: Do you want to hear something crazy m about how 392 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: young this prospect is? M hm. He was born after 393 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: the first. 394 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: iPhone was invented two thousand and seven, was the first iPhone, 395 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: the Amazon Kindle, the iPod, Touch, Twitter, and Facebook I 396 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: think launched in two thousand and seven. 397 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: The final book of the. 398 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Harry Potter series came out in two thousand and seven, 399 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: And we just traded Jeff, but you away for a 400 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: prospect that that age, they're one of the best case 401 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: scenarios is that we don't see what was his nam 402 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: Jurdon Rodriguez in the majors for six years. 403 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a real realistic outcome. 404 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: Least there's a good chance twenty thirty might be the fastest. 405 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: He could make it to the majors. 406 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: Actually, I mean again, that's not really the point that 407 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: The point of this is that the Mets wanted Jeff 408 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: McNeil off their team basically by any means necessary. Seems 409 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: like they were waiting around for the last few months saying, 410 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,479 Speaker 3: if someone's willing to take Jeff McNeil. 411 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: You could have him. 412 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the first team that was willing 413 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: to take him that we know of. 414 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: Will Uh, you're don Rodriguez real quick. I think he 415 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: throws like low nineties. Again, it's hard to tell because 416 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: again he's a junior in high school, so he probably 417 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: can throw harder as he becomes an actual adult. 418 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, puberty, We'll be kind to him. Can't 419 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: buy cigarettes, right, you gotta be eighteen to do that. 420 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: Per Baseball America, he was a part of their top 421 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: twenty pitching prospects in the last IFA class. 422 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, why not? I think he got a signing 423 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: bonus of four hundred. 424 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 3: K yeah, four hundred ky. Yeah, this is not This 425 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: trade was not about the return. This trade was about 426 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: getting rid of Jeff McNeil. And again, I think that 427 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: of a similar ilk we've had this icond the same 428 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: feeling about Koda I Sanga. Yes, he seems like he 429 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: might also get traded. Maybe there's some way to do 430 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: a need for need with Koda Sanga to get a 431 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: major league player back and get an outfielder not a 432 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: teenager that could be. 433 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: The Sanga Fermon Loreano. 434 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I would do that, But I just this 435 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: is uh, there's so much work left to be done 436 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: with this roster. 437 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if me and James don't have the reaction you 438 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: guys were hoping for, sorry, we just were not going 439 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, I got rid of a player. 440 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: There's there's just no way we were reacting to that, 441 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: to news that we knew was gonna happen at any 442 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: point this offseason. 443 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I mean, it's just this. This, it's first. 444 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: We've got fifty minutes out of this. I don't even 445 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: know what else say is to. 446 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: Say no, that's it. That's it. That's all I got 447 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: for you, guys. Thank you so much for watching. Make 448 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: sure you subscribe to Mess Up not just on YouTube, but. 449 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: On Apple, podcast, Spotify, and Google. Drops a rating, drops 450 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: a review, download and subscribe. You can follow James on 451 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: social media at James Ganna. I'm drafting Mark. Thank you 452 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: as for watching. We'll catch you all later this week 453 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: for another radio. 454 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, see you guys. 455 00:17:00,720 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, FO