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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: Mom've never told you production of I Heart Radio. So

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Speaker 1: I don't have a question for you today because we

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Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about and we're going to

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Speaker 1: be sharing our opinions throughout. Yes, because you and I

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Speaker 1: come from different angles when we're talking about the nineties

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Speaker 1: and the treatment of women in our pop culture during

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Speaker 1: the nineties, and that has been a topic of conversation lately,

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Speaker 1: whether it is Britney Spears or Monica Lewinsky. So we

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Speaker 1: wanted to briefly go over some of that, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I discuss kind of our own thoughts and feelings as

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Speaker 1: that was unfolding, right And when it comes to women

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Speaker 1: and feminism, the nineties was a decade full of contradictions,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I remember feeling contradicted myself trying to be

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Speaker 1: an independent women but then being from the South and

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Speaker 1: a nice way of saying this. You had movies and

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Speaker 1: shows and we've talked about in the past like Buffy

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Speaker 1: the Craft, Practical Magic girl groups like Spice Girls, which

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Speaker 1: yes I did own that album. Women in general were

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Speaker 1: delay marriage and children for higher education or careers, and

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Speaker 1: more and more women entered politics and was quote the

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Speaker 1: Year of Women, although there's a lot of back and

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Speaker 1: forth about the veracity of that, so just to keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, basically the Senate went from two women to

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Speaker 1: I learned what I was researching this that there's a

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Speaker 1: still because of how much of an impact for that

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Speaker 1: character from The X Files had And I loved it.

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Speaker 1: cruelly and easily often mocked in late night shows for example.

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Speaker 1: A part of this was fueled by the emerging twenty

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Speaker 1: the early nineties. This was a space to rip apart

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Speaker 1: can be translated into social media doing that to our

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Speaker 1: and obviously there's so many examples we could have talked about,

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Speaker 1: and these are not bios and disclaimer, we're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: saying that these women were completely blameless. We're more focusing

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Speaker 1: on the media's toxic treatment of them and our interpretation

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Speaker 1: talked about a lot recently. In Lewinsky started as an

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Speaker 1: intern at the U. S. White House. According to her,

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Speaker 1: from nine she and then President Clinton engaged in nine

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Speaker 1: repeatedly denied the allegations. People that worked with them had

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Speaker 1: when she was confessing sort of what was going on.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of what I remember, because I was

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Speaker 1: That's how far and wide this story captured people's attention, right,

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Speaker 1: Crazy Bitch troupe and she was a part of that narrative.

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Speaker 1: I just I just can't. There's no to that. Speaking.

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