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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret histories and little known, fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts and figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows

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Speaker 1: and more. We are your two Billie Joe's of the

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Speaker 1: bottom line, I'm Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan run Tug

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Speaker 1: and today Jordan's As you might have gleaned from that intro,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about one of the defining pieces of

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Speaker 1: bands of the nineties, and a seemingly universally lauded work

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Speaker 1: that spans mediums. That's right, we're talking about Green Days

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Speaker 1: American Idiot. Uh. Green Day were one of my gateways

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Speaker 1: into punk music. International Super Hits was one of the

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Speaker 1: like five CDs that I bought as like a child,

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Speaker 1: but I kind of stopped checking in with them around

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Speaker 1: the time this came out, just because like I had

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Speaker 1: already discovered like, quote unquote real punk, and by the

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Speaker 1: time this came out, I was like ignoring pop culture basically,

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Speaker 1: but god, it was hard to ignore this this record.

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Speaker 1: I still remember there was like a card dealership in

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Speaker 1: of studio musicians to just recreate an instrumental version of

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Speaker 1: American Idiot for their like fourth of July super weekend

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Speaker 1: of sales. And I was just like, even as a child,

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Speaker 1: like the cognitive dissonance struck me. But yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: really pleasantly surprised. Like going back on it, I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, sure, sure, well yeah, yeah, yeah, what

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Speaker 1: about you? Yeah, it's funny. The same error when you

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Speaker 1: were getting into jazz was the same era where I

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Speaker 1: really didn't engage with anything that I couldn't find on

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Speaker 1: So my initial reaction when you told me you wanted

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Speaker 1: to do this was I have nothing to say on this.

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Speaker 1: But after studying up on American Idiot, I realized I

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Speaker 1: knew way more Green Day songs than I realized Because

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Speaker 1: of my high school band, we were called Pitched to Johnny.

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Speaker 1: In basket Case. And for years I operated under the

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Speaker 1: mistaken assumption that our lead singer wrote most of thoks last,

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Speaker 1: So those were some of the These were some of

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Speaker 1: the first baselines I ever learned. Oh yeah, minority is

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Speaker 1: still like one of my one of my party pieces. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so I assumed that those were, like at least

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Speaker 1: a few of them were originals. Then years later I'd

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Speaker 1: Green Day than I thought. So I do have a

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Speaker 1: soft spot for them. But my main memory of American

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Speaker 1: tweet at us about this episode, please use the hashtag cold, tired,

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Speaker 1: and covered in elk blood. Between that moment and nine eleven,

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Speaker 1: It's an album about love and loss and paranoia and politics,

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Speaker 1: released after the wave of jingoistic post nine eleven patriotism

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Speaker 1: Armstrong told MTV in two thousand and five, a lot

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Speaker 1: rich text for a band whose breakthrough album was called Dookie, Dookie, Dookie,

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Speaker 1: especially Green Day two, it's like lauding this is some

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Speaker 1: And when you think about like this era, people were

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Speaker 1: to show art can't change things. Has been a production

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Speaker 1: the strange second life of the album is a Broadway musical.

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Speaker 1: Here's everything you didn't know about Green Days American Idiot

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Speaker 1: in the Only two thousand's Green Day was at a

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Speaker 1: cross rights. One of the biggest success stories of the

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Speaker 1: UH nineties alternative culture becoming the mainstream. The band went

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Speaker 1: Seminole East Bay label Lookout Records. Ker Plunk sold a

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Speaker 1: Plunk is also supposedly Serena Williams favorite record I just

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Speaker 1: By their own admission, they were somewhat creatively spent by

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Speaker 1: the time of two thousand's Warning, which, despite having minority

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Speaker 1: uh rips off the Kinks picture book. It's one of

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Speaker 1: with like you really got me in terms of how

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Speaker 1: it that there's a I think a Mac DeMarco song

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Speaker 1: It's a good song. What's it's a good song? Really? Yeah? Okay,

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00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: intense sidebar? You know John Man, Yeah, Brooklyn band guy

428
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: about town, John Mann one of my groomsmen. Uh. I

429
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: call him Guy Patterson because he looks like and it's

430
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 1: just as sweet as uh, the Guy Patterson character from

431
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: that thing you do the drummer. Yeah, he looks like

432
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: Tom Everett too. He loves early Google dolls when they

433
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: were like really influenced by the Replacements, and we're like

434
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: closer to Jawbreaker than than Iris. And he told me

435
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: this like heartwrenching story about like Johnny Resnick growing up

436
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, New York and being like forced to take

437
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: accordion lessons and having to lug this accordion from like

438
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: the B side of Buffalo where he grew up to

439
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: take these lessons. Um, I don't know, just really humanized

440
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: Google dolls for me. I bear them. No quarrel I

441
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: played a charity as a little kid and tried to

442
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: impress a little girl who lived down the street for

443
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: me when I was like eight, by playing accordion marching

444
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: back and forth outside of her house. Oh yeah, you've

445
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: told me that before. Super weird. When that that didn't work,

446
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know her mom came out and told me

447
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: to go home because she wasn't there. Well. At some point,

448
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: Armstrong was driving along and did not hear the sound

449
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: of a young lovelorn man playing accordion in the street.

450
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: He heard a song by Leonard skinnerd called That's how

451
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: I like it. It's even worse than me playing accordion

452
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: at age seven. Yeah, nothing like three guitars and Confederate

453
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: apology sympathists. Um I don't I I like a lot

454
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: of leon skinnered Um. But but this song I didn't

455
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: know this song at contains the lyrics. It reads like

456
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: a parody. It reads like like are you ready for

457
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: some football? Kind of Vanzanti. It probably is their state

458
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: fair I call their state fair years. Oh oh yeah,

459
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: it's from two thousand three, which explains why these lyrics

460
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: are so awful. Like my women hot and my beer

461
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: ice cold, real fast car and my whiskey old. I

462
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: can slow drive down an old dirt road, That's how

463
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: I like it. I can turn my music way up loud.

464
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing better than the sound of a crowd American flag.

465
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: It makes me proud, That's how I like it. And

466
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: Armstrong was so cheesed off, justifiably so, that he that

467
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: was the genesis of American Idiot, But apparently the notion

468
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: of a punk rock opera had been kicking around his

469
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: head for years. There's a profile in CMJ from that

470
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: mentions um the notion of such a thing, along with

471
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: a two CD concept album, as among the wild ideas

472
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: that Billy Joe was kicking around in those days. Yeah,

473
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: even in the early days they talked about wanting to

474
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: have a Beatle like arc to their creative life, and

475
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: now they were getting into their more experimental era, and

476
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: Billy Joel later described the ambition by saying, we decided

477
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: we were going to be the biggest best band in

478
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: the world or fall flat on our faces. And hilariously,

479
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: there was a review of American Idiot in Slant magazine

480
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: that opens with this tremendous lead. Of all the negative

481
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: effects the Bush administration has had on the world, the

482
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: most unlikely bit of collateral damage has to be the

483
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: return of the rock opera. As you meditate on that,

484
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more too much information. After

485
00:26:47,240 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: these messages, the songs for the record started to take

486
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: shape during these demo sessions in Oakland. The opening suite

487
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: for the record, Homecoming, came together out of necessity. Mike

488
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Dirt was left alone in the studio after Armstrong was

489
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: summoned to community service stemming from a d u I

490
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: and Trey Cool was meeting with divorce lawyers, which is

491
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: a grim, grim couple of reasons to miss band practice.

492
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: Dirt came up with a thirty second song and sent

493
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: it to the other two and they kind of took

494
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: it as a challenge to develop their own. And that, folks,

495
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: is how you get a mini suite. UM. You know,

496
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: the big obvious touchstones for this are like those who

497
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: records you know, quick one while he's away, the biggest one. UM.

498
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: They demo these students in Oakland, but then they split

499
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: for l A and uh, those sessions did not start auspiciously.

500
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: They arrived at Ocean Way Recording in Hollywood on April

501
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: two thousand three, and the studio caught fire. So they

502
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: went I have dinna say, I feel like Trey Cool

503
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: has something to do with this. Well, yeah, with what

504
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm about to say, wouldn't shock me. Uh. They got

505
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: back to their hotel and, according to him, went and partied.

506
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: Um despite the fact that this was a major I mean,

507
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: they could still pull budgets. We wrapped up this stuff

508
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: at Capital Studios. Trade Cool brought something like seventy five

509
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: snare drums of varying vintages to these sessions. This whole,

510
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: the whole tracking phase seems like a very bizarre mix

511
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: of unrepentant hedonism and slowly maturing as people, which I

512
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: guess is a lot of people's early thirties. Maybe they

513
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: just didn't want to make this album. Okay, first time around,

514
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: all right, how do we get out of recording at

515
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: the studio? Somebody steal our masters? Okay, second time around,

516
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: how do we get recording it? Burn it to the ground? Alright. So,

517
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: but things did start to fall into place once you know,

518
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: the studio blaze subsided. Tray Cool later said that he

519
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: remembered thinking, Wow, we're nailing it. There was just such

520
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: energy to it. I felt like Frank Sinatra was in

521
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: the Room with Us, which is a surprising choice of studio.

522
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Ghost was the King of He was the King of

523
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Student of Capital Studios though, I guess. But but I'd

524
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: like to talk a bit more about the hedonism element,

525
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: if I may. I think this was at their previous studio,

526
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: Studio eight eighty in Oakland, so maybe this is when

527
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: they were making their lost prior album. But I guess

528
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: they set up a pirate radio station in the studio

529
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: and broadcast their work in progress and various jam sessions

530
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: just out across the Bay area. Um and also considering

531
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: that the show Cranky Anchors was at the peak of

532
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: its popularity. They would also make prank phone calls and

533
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: broadcast those, and Trey Cool apparently would do stuff like

534
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 1: call an animal crematorium in Hawaii and claim that they

535
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: lost his monkey. They're just yeah, I guess he had

536
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: to be there. They're the Verily Brothers of punk rock. Um. Yeah.

537
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: They also did this our side project, The Network. They

538
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: wrote an entire album in a Day of the Strange,

539
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: like fake New Wavy thing, and they released it under

540
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: the title Money Money in two thousand three, and they

541
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: pretended to be this fake band The Network and they

542
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: were just masked characters with names like the Snow and

543
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Captain Underpants, And for years they would pretend like they

544
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: had no idea who these people were, They had nothing

545
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: to do with them. It was always just like wink

546
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: wink thing whenever they were being interviewed and asked about

547
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: the network, they had always I've never actually seen them

548
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: in person before, I've heard about them, and they were

549
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: all like pretending that it wasn't actually them, but it

550
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: obviously was so clearly they had a lot of steam

551
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: to blow off during sessions for American Idiot Um. Anyway,

552
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: now that we've discussed the slightly more sophomore excited green day,

553
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: HI tell us about all the ways they matured during

554
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: these sessions. I guess, Uh, you know, being in a

555
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: band with a bunch of guys who you're bonding things

556
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: were smoking weed and masturbating. Uh, and then you've just

557
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: been friends with them for like thirty years and been

558
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: in a band. It doesn't lead to the best band

559
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: bonded differently, it doesn't lead to the best communication practices. Yeah,

560
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: I guess they started Armstrong pitched essentially like weekly touch

561
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: base and touch Bases slash Heart to hearts within the band. Yeah,

562
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: you never did that. No, and I never will. Uh,

563
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: this is not you wouldn't therapy go elsewhere. As reported

564
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: in Rolling Stone, we bared our souls to one another,

565
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: Mike Dern said, Admitting that we cared for each other

566
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: was a big thing. Trey Cool added, we didn't hold

567
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: anything back. He said, before Billy would write a song

568
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: get stuck and say get the imaginary Mike and Trey

569
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: and his head would say that song sucks, don't waste

570
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: your time on it. He stopped doing that and became

571
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: totally fearless around me and Mike. Bullie Joe later told

572
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: the Alternative Press there was a lot of talking going

573
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: on with this record, and a lot of the growing

574
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: up process for us was like, dude, even saying the

575
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: same thing to me since you were fifteen, and I've

576
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: been hating it for fifteen years. We just let it

577
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: all out and declared our places and then felt comfortable

578
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: in our places, and it was a very big deal

579
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: because now the weird thing is we feel younger and

580
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: more revitalized, and we're having more fun than we ever had,

581
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: hence the prank phone calls, and of course on the

582
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: other side, of that was all the drinking that they did. Uh.

583
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: Talking to Spin in two thousand four, Armstrong said, as

584
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: a songwriter, I get so deep into what I'm writing about.

585
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: It's almost like I have to stir up to write

586
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: about it. And I think when we were in l

587
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: A recording the record, we were also living it out.

588
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie to you. Got weird, Mike

589
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: Dern told them Armstrong apparently had to schedule vocal recording

590
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: sessions around his hangovers, oh, saying that the time period

591
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: involved kind of a conscious effort to have a lack

592
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: of conscience. Uh, there's this great anecdote from alternative press

593
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: that comes out of this this Hollywood period. Uh what

594
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: that magazine deemed the drummer of a respected British band

595
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: was staying next door to Cool and burst into his

596
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: room yelling, turned down the music. I've got a gig tomorrow.

597
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: So I hear from a hotel security the next day

598
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: that one of this band's guys got locked in his

599
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: room during the night. Mike during explained somebody apparently tied

600
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: a rope around his door handle, then tied it to

601
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: a nearby handrail. At this point, Trey Cool weighs in, saying, see,

602
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: you just do a slip knot on the door knob,

603
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: then you pull it really tight against the handrail and

604
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: do a good sailing knot. I've got a boat and stuff,

605
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: so I'd know how to tie a knot like that

606
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: really good. Without admitting it, he says, I would know how. Uh,

607
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: And then for the rest of the night, I guess

608
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: Trey Cool apparently just kept playing that band's music through

609
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the room so that this guy was tormented by his

610
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: own music and unable to get out of his hotel room.

611
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Who do you think that is? Do we think it?

612
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess Radiohead. I would like to think it

613
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: was not Radiohead because Phil Selway seems like a cool guy. Um,

614
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: well yeah, but I mean everybody's gonna sleep. I would,

615
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: I bet you, Tray Cool, I'm just annoying as hell

616
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. Yeah, i'd say cold Play.

617
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking cold Play. But yeah, I

618
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: guess it is around clock Sarah. Yeah, and they do

619
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: seem ripe for him to be Yeah. Um, Tray Cool

620
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: is a ridiculous person. Multi instrumentalist Josh Freese, who plays

621
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: on American Idiot, recalled to spits that he showed up

622
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: to record, and quote, Tray comes down, runs up to

623
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: me and goes, hey, if you and I were camping

624
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: and you woke up with my junior ass, would you

625
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: tell anybody? And I said, uh no, and he goes,

626
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: you want to go camping? Those were his first words

627
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: to me. So, yeah, the medium funny bits of some

628
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,959
Speaker 1: kid in your gym class in seventh grade is also

629
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: a millionaire drummer, and that's Tray cool, very aggressively competent drummer.

630
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: He's fine. I really like Mike Dirnt. I think, oh,

631
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: he's amazing bass player. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't realize that

632
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: Dirt wasn't his real name. His real name is Mike

633
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Pritchard and Dirt is from the South. He used to

634
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: play air Base all the time. Yeah he is. I

635
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: cannot stress enough how how great the base on those

636
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: records is, especially like stuff like Dukie and and um yeah,

637
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: even even up to a warning. It's kind of annoying

638
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: to me how they dumbed down his stuff on American

639
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Speaker 1: Idiot because I remember watching all these live performances and

640
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Speaker 1: Billy joels like, gentlemen, Mike Dirt the greatest bass player

641
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: in the world and he's just going dung ding ding dung,

642
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: ding dung du dung dung dung. And I'm like, man,

643
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: you had a lot cooler bass lines boy back in

644
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Speaker 1: the day. I mean minority. Yeah, that's like, I mean,

645
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: like the most psycho bazing the the Yeah. He said

646
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: he came up with it on acid up. His family

647
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: situation is nuts. This is from the two thousand five

648
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone profile. I guess Mike Durn's adopted parents divorced

649
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: when he was seven years old and basically made him

650
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: choose between his rich father, who was this white computer programmer,

651
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: and his financially struggling mother, who was a Native American

652
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: who this is a quote from the Rolling Stone piece

653
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: didn't hide her racial animosity. And Mike said, I grew

654
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: up with my mom hating the white man and loving me, which, yes,

655
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: that's rough. Um, that is intense. Anyway, Mike Dirnt has

656
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: a great way of summing up his band. He said,

657
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: Green Day is like sex. When we're good, we're really good.

658
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: When we're bad, we're still pretty damps. I mean they

659
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: are they are a tight band. I mean, you gotta

660
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: really like watching some of the I watched some of

661
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: that bullet in the Bible, that live thing, and like

662
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: they are tight. There's not a ramshackle punk experience. Man

663
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: really on the money live anyway. Outside of the explicitly

664
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: political numbers on the record, the title track and Holiday

665
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: probably the most too strident, uh and these ambitious multipart suites.

666
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: There are two deeply personal songs on American Idiot from Armstrong,

667
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: one with very well known source materials. I speak, of course,

668
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: of Boulevard of Broken Dreams, one of my least favorite

669
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: turns of phrase ever. Well look lovely that God. I

670
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: hate that song. It's not one of my favorites. One here,

671
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: which just like looks like something that I would have

672
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: written on a trapper keeper in seventh grade. Anyway. He

673
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: was written about his lost month in New York, inspired

674
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: by the Gottfried Heilwin Heinwin Gottfried Helen wyin Um. That

675
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: painting of James Dean, Humphrey Bogert, Marilyn Monroe and Elvis

676
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: Presley sitting in an all night diner, a fixture on

677
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: the dorm room walls of people without imagination. I mean,

678
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: it's it's the hopper painting, It's nighthawks, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

679
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: but it's got like ed gy, like tragic pope culture figures.

680
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: They they all died before, certainly before they were sixty,

681
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: possibly even fifty. They did although young. That is interesting.

682
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: There was a whole mystery about what real life bar,

683
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: the Nighthawks Bar was based on. Like they're all these

684
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: architecture blogs and stuff. They're trying to figure out like

685
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: where that bar is in New York because Hopper painted

686
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: it after a real place, like a census is that it'

687
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: saw on granw Chavan seventh in the West Village. M

688
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: little something special for all you art fans out there anyway.

689
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: In the two tho VH one Storytellers program for Green Day,

690
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: Billy Joe stated that the title of the song was

691
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: nicked from a painting of James Dean walking alone. That's

692
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: funny you said it was a painting. I was thinking

693
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: of that famous picture of him walking through Times Square

694
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: at dusk, but it's all foggy and he's by himself

695
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: and looks all dejected, Like that's kind of what I

696
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: always thought it was based on. Maybe he confused a

697
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: painting with a photo, wouldn't surprise me, Yeah, that will

698
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: happen one person who believes that this song was nicked

699
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: from them is No gallaghery of Oasis, never one to

700
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: shy away from saying things that would get a non

701
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: celebrities teeth pushed in ah. He criticized this song in

702
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: two thousand six based on having the same chord progression

703
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: as Wonder Wall, which is faking rich of him, yes,

704
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: saying they should have the decency to wait until I

705
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: am dead before stealing my songs. I at least pay

706
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: the people I steal from that courtesy. He did not

707
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: narrator voice, Well, what's the isn't don't look back an anger?

708
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: Basically imagine and then he also he's admitted the ripping

709
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: off Burt back or act too. But yeah, my favorite

710
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: is uh Liam Gallagher's feud with George Harrison imag a

711
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: feuding with George Harris, and I mean, I guess he

712
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: does have some spy I mean, this is the opposite

713
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: of the George Harrison Mike Myer's story we told in

714
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: the Awesome Powers episode. George was pretty open when asked

715
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: about Oasis ripping off the Beatles, and he said in

716
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: their music lacks depth and the singer Liam is a pain.

717
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: The rest of the band don't need him. He apparently

718
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: was a big fan of Oasis. Is h MTV unplugged

719
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: gig where Noel handled all the vocal duties. Uh. Liam

720
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: responded to this in the sane and measured way that

721
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: one would expect. He told MTV if any of them

722
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Speaker 1: old farts have got a problem with me, then they

723
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: should leave their zimmer frames walkers the British term for

724
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: a walker at home, and I'll hold them up with

725
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: a good right hook. They're jealous and their senile. If

726
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: they want to fight, I'll beat them up. This Liam Gallagher,

727
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: one of the foremost Beatles fans on the planet, threatening

728
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: to beat up George Harrison. Uh I still love the Beatles,

729
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: and I still love George Harrison as a songwriter in

730
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the Beatles, but as a person. He calls him a nipple,

731
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: which is an expression I don't think that exists. I

732
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: think that's just like when Liam called Nola thetation. I

733
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: think it just sounds good. Um. Yeah, this doesn't have

734
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: to do with Green Day. But when there's a Beatle

735
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: or in a way suce anecdote to be shared, I

736
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: try to take the opportunity. I just want to interject

737
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: taking Morning Glory, what's the story? Morning Glory has two

738
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: songwriting lawsuits connected to it. Shaker Maker wound up costing

739
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: them five hundred thousand dollars because of the similarity to

740
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing by the

741
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: New Seekers, and they lost ten of their royalties to

742
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: Stevie wonder based on the tracks out sounding similar to

743
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: Uptight Everything's all Right, Stevie Wonderer was worth noting very

744
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: much alive, Yeah, oh my god. Um. Speaking of bands

745
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: that ripped off the Beatles, Green Day wanted to end

746
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: the song Boulevard of Broken Dreams with a nod to

747
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: the Sergeant Pepper closer A Day and a Life, but

748
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: producer Rob Cavallo talked them out of it. He later said,

749
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: originally the band wanted the outro to be something like

750
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: the huge crescendo at the end of the Beatles of

751
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Day and of Life. Then they thought they'd maybe try

752
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: it with Calliope's and Circus music and craziness like that.

753
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: I told them, look, you're a rock band, let's just

754
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: do it with guitars. My favorite anecdote about the Boulevard

755
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: of Broken Dreams, though, is that they used it in

756
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: the office Dwight and Andy singing at the holiday party

757
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: one in one episode, and apparently Billy Joe literally didn't

758
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: get the memo, or maybe it was during his drinking

759
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: years because he had no idea that it was used

760
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: in the office. And then a few years ago he

761
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: was binging the series like ten years after it aired,

762
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: and he was shocked to just find one of his

763
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: songs in one of these episodes, which is great, that's

764
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: kind of adorable. Wake me Up when September Ends Meanwhile,

765
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: was written about the death of Armstrong's father from esophagal

766
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: cancer he was just ten. Apparently the title comes from

767
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: something that Billy Joe actually said, I guess following his

768
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: dad's funeral, he locked himself in his room and said,

769
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: wake me up when September ends. His dad died in September. Yeah.

770
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: He and his five siblings were raised by their mother,

771
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: who worked as a waitress at a twenty four hour

772
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: restaurant called Rod's Hickory Pit. Uh. She worked a lot

773
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: of graveyard shifts. He said, my brothers and sisters were

774
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: put in a position where they had to grow up

775
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: really fast and become parents to me. If there's a

776
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: song on American Idiot that veers away from the story

777
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: for the album. It's that one. He This is on Storytellers.

778
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: He said, it's a personal thing. I've never tackled an

779
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: issue about that, About singing about my father. It's hard

780
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: to sing, but definitely therapeutic because it deals with the

781
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: passing of someone you love. The seven years have gone

782
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: so fast line is thought to maybe deal with the

783
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: gap between when his father died in nine and green

784
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: Day's first DP in nineteen. It's just a theory, and

785
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: the twenty years has gone so fast line as the

786
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: period between when his dad died and when Billy wrote

787
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: the song in two thousand too, So it's sort of

788
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: like the theory of American Pie being written about Don

789
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: McLean's dad. You know, for ten years we've been on

790
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: our own um. Perhaps unfortunately for him though, Despite this

791
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: song's also heavy handed Iraq War themed video, this song

792
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: is popularly remembered for neither his father nor the Iraq

793
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: War because it came out in June two thousand five,

794
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: and then when Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans two months later,

795
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: this song became associated with that which you can trace

796
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: back to a single blogger by the name of Karma

797
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: Girl a K s Z eight. She posted an edit

798
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: of this song paired with TV coverage of Katrina and

799
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: put it up on her website, which is still you

800
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: could smash face dot com slash vlog. I don't know.

801
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: I just got that from Wikipedia and it went viral.

802
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got that from the New York Times

803
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: of all places. Surely the first time smash phase dot

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00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: com slash flog appeared in the August pages of The

805
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Gray Lady. Um. Yeah, I guess it went viral and

806
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: became like a sort of anthem for the recovery following

807
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: that disaster. Um. They performed the song days after Hurricane

808
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Katrina on React Now Music and Relief, which was a

809
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: benefit concert broadcast and MTV, and a live version of

810
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: the song recorded in September was released soon after, dedicated

811
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: to the hurricanes victims. I read dedicated. I wonder if

812
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: proceeds went to them or they just said this is

813
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: dedicated to you and kept the money they had they

814
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: have donated something. They also performed it for some reason

815
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: with the Edge at the first game played in the

816
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: super Dome in New Orleans after the hurricane I mean

817
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: statistically proven that if you have a charity single and

818
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: you loop in any members of you too, it's gonna

819
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: do better. I Mean there's something about the presence of

820
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: YouTube that just provokes guilt and makes you want to

821
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: fork over cash. So yeah, I'm just thinking about like

822
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: a lesser disaster and they're like all sitting and like

823
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: Clayton I was gonna say, yeah, they're all sitting around

824
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, we can't get onto the edge,

825
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: but we can get Larry or at them to play

826
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: really anonymous space guitar and drums that could easily have

827
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: just been programmed by literally anyone in the world. I

828
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: just love these bands where it's like Black Keys or someone,

829
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: where it's like half the band is clearly doing the work,

830
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: the other half is just kind of there. You do

831
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: such a perfect example of that, Just like you've got

832
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: the guy with the big voice and the and who

833
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: just clearly will put his own face in front of everything,

834
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: and then you've got the guy who lucked into one

835
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: of the most identifiable guitar sounds of the past fifty years,

836
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: and the other two and the aristocrats. Anyway, the other

837
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: big thing about Wake Me up when September ends. Is

838
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: that has become a meme online starting in September, with

839
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: people bothering and tagging Billy Joe about it enough that

840
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: he mentioned to Vulture at one point it's like, when

841
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: Jesus was born on December, people go, hey, it's Christmas

842
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: time went okay. When the Easter bunny comes, people go hey,

843
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: it's Easter. When September comes, people go hey, it's that

844
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: guy in Green Day. And he joked that he wanted

845
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: to write a song called shut Up when October Begins,

846
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: which is medium funny. Yeah. I think of that whole

847
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: phenomenon as being like the seasonal book end to the

848
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be May justin timber like man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

849
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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

850
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information and just a moment.

851
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Jesus of Suburbia is the I guess one of the

852
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 1: only parts of this that gives it. It's like quote

853
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: unquote rock opera thing. I don't know, do you he's

854
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: a big question. Do you think this counts as a

855
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: rock opera? No? Yeah, they're thematically linked, but like it's not.

856
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a real concept album. But we

857
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: mentioned the Who earlier. Man, you want to see a

858
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: great who clipped? Did you see that rock and roll

859
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: circus performance? Have you seen that? One of my all

860
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: time of course I have that when they're doing a

861
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: quick one. Yeah. That last when they're doing the last

862
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: you are Forgiven part is like one of my favorite

863
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: rock moments that live. That live performance whips so much.

864
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, just the fact that they Green Day could

865
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: never guess where The Rolling Stones never released it anyway,

866
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: Jesus of Siberia compared variously by the band to a

867
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Quick One While He's Away and Bohemian Rhapsody. Is Armstrong

868
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: Get serious? Guys? Uh? His Armstrong's favorite Green Day song?

869
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: Apparently he also name checked Greece when talking about inspirations

870
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: for the album as a whole, which I think is

871
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: hilarious and kind of adorable, but also one of the

872
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: least punk things I've ever heard. The fact that the

873
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: female character on American Idiot is called What's her name

874
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: would definitely cause this album to fail the Bechdel test,

875
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, everyone talks about sort of the

876
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: more obvious touchstones, but I guess he's a big fifties guy.

877
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: Maybe that whole Everly Brothers tribute album. No I knew

878
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: he was a big Everly Brothers fan, but what did

879
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: he do a song on it? Yeah, him and Norah Jones,

880
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: whoa for an album called Wait for It Foreverly. That's

881
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: actually not I mean, it is bad, but it's also

882
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: it's very clever. It's also it's not even one of

883
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: the it's not even one of the like big Everly

884
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: Brothers songs. It's the album songs are Daddy Taught Us,

885
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: which are like all old traditional folk songs. Interesting. So yeah,

886
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: that's interesting digression anyway. Jesus of Suburbia is the band's

887
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: second longest song, after the other multi part suite on

888
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: American Idiot Homecoming. Billy Joe had had a rudimentary version

889
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: of the song kicking around for a while, and the

890
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: sweet part of it was sort of stitched together over

891
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: extended jams. The band has uh The guitar sound in

892
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: particular on that I read was achieved by using the

893
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: old nineteen seventies classic rock technique of when you buy

894
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: amp or split the guitar signal and you run half

895
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: of it directly into the mixing board. And then the

896
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: other half into a tradition like an amp miked amp

897
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: set up, and then you blend the two of those

898
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: signals together. Did Mark Bowland do that Rex stuff? Yeah,

899
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the t Rex stuff has that. Kathleen

900
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: Hannah of pioneering Riot Girl band Bikini Kill was asked

901
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: to seeing the aforementioned female part of What's Her Name,

902
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: which doesn't exactly square with Riot Girl, but I'm sure

903
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: she got some cash from it. Was nice um, although

904
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: she was told to sing like a female Billy Joel,

905
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: which sounds like a terrible experience for someone. But they

906
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: called her up just because they like Bikini Kill, which

907
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: is nice good. He's a great quote from Billy Joe

908
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: about his process. He told us to MTV in two

909
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: thousand of five. Right after I came up with the

910
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: phrase American idiot, I came up with the album's protagonist,

911
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Jesus of Suburbia. I felt like, across that line between

912
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: church and state, or politics and religion, I thought, how

913
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: would I interpret the Bible even though I've never really

914
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: read it. Incredible, but he considers the song the best

915
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: that he's ever done, he told Vulture in I'm tooting

916
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: my own horn, But I think it encompasses so much

917
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: about my life and friendship and family, and it's flamboyant

918
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: and big and bombastic. It's one of those moments where

919
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: I was feeling like I wanted to take a big risk.

920
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: It's so fun to play live seeing how the entire

921
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: crowd sings along. It's just one of those songs. But

922
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: when it came to actually getting the label on board

923
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: back in two thousand four, that was a bit of

924
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: a trickier proposition. He'd say, American Idiot was such a

925
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: difficult album to explain the people before it came out.

926
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: I would be talking about things like nine minutes songs,

927
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 1: and the response from Warner Brothers was like, Okay, they've

928
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: finally lost their minds. The band could barely bring themselves

929
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: to say the phrase punk rock opera themselves for the

930
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: longest time because it just sounded so bloated. Yeah, Billy

931
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Joe has a lot of what I like to call

932
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: first bong rip ideas um, which is exactly what it

933
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: sounds like, just like Jesus of Suburbia. That's a keeper.

934
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: The videos for this record, we're all directed by veteran

935
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: director Samuel Bayer, who counts among his many credits Nirvana's

936
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: music video for Smells Like Teen Spirit and Blind Melon's

937
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: No Rain. Um. I guess all the videos for this

938
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: are thematically connected. In the American Idiot video, it's basically

939
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: kind of a live shoot. The band gets sprayed with

940
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: green liquid after the stripes of the American flag melt.

941
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: In Holiday, they drive I know, just high concept stuff, guys.

942
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: In Holiday, the band drives around in the Mercury Monterey convertible.

943
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: It is a sweet car which eventually stops in the

944
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: same field that Boulevard of Broken Dreams begins in. For

945
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: that video, Bear opted for older school visual techniques like

946
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: rear projection instead of green screen, and he would like

947
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: physically attack the film negative like scratching with razor blades,

948
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: pour coffee on it, put out cigarettes on it. All

949
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: you can do in my movie these Days. In thirty seconds,

950
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: uh for the weight me up with some tembur End's video,

951
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: which give it his CV. Incredibly, Bear calls this hands

952
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: down the greatest thing I've ever done. He did bold words, Wow,

953
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: he's done. I mean, did you look up this guy's

954
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: Aside from Smells Like Teen Spirit, which is like one

955
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: of the most the most. I don't know, what do

956
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: you think iconic videos in the nineties short list? Yes,

957
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: I feel like visually there are maybe one more time

958
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: for example, like the other songs that visually have more

959
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: of an impact, even though I think the song is

960
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: like top three era defining songs of the nineties. And

961
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: the only reason I'm not saying that's number one is

962
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting right now. But yeah,

963
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: obviously that video is up there. Doll parts for whole

964
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: uh oh we mentioned this later, pull it with Butterfly Wings. Um,

965
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: we did some stuff with Marilyn Manson. That's a terrible idea,

966
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: Blancadi to stay together for the kids. Oh um, this

967
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: was all pre American idiot. Yeah, and he likes all

968
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: of those things less than the Wake Me for September

969
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: in video anyway. Um. They cast Evan rachel Wood and

970
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: Jamie Bell in speaking roles, and I guess they aimed

971
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: for a look similar to ninety nine the Smashing Pumpkins video,

972
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: which is all kind of like the camera's rear facing

973
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: back at a person. I don't know where else to

974
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: put this. The Records cover of an arm holding a

975
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: heart shaped hand grenade first ball rip idea should have

976
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: stayed in the drafts folder was inspired by Saul Basses

977
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: poster for The Man with the Golden Arm Um I

978
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: vertigo to write like all those great oh yeah, all

979
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: the best ones Anatomy of a murder, Oh yeah yeah.

980
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: It was done by an artist named Chris Billheimer, who,

981
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: despite feeling that red is the quote most overused color

982
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: in graphic design, rendered it in red, black and white. Uh.

983
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: This was, of course, three years after the White Stripes

984
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: had done that exact same thing, So draw what conclusions

985
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: you will from that. The band also leaned into that

986
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: color scheme at this time, started wearing black and white

987
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: and red outfits on stage, like sort of like suit

988
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: tailored suit looking things for which they adorably went on

989
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: a band diet while they were recording the album to

990
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: fit into. Billy Joel also started wearing a lot of eyeliner.

991
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: In the Mark Spitz book, Uh, a friend of the

992
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: band named DJ Miss Guys Uh said, Billy Joel really

993
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: does wear more eyeliner than most drag queens now, but

994
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: they all had the face for it and could pull

995
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: it off. Um. Courtney Love is also quoted in this

996
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: book as saying, this level of fame has been very

997
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: good to them. Billy Joel looks absolutely beautiful. You know

998
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: how when people get super a list their face gets prettier.

999
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: I think it's perception, it's something that happens in your subconscious.

1000
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: But he looks stunning. He looks like a beautiful girl.

1001
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: So I just it's like de rigor that you have

1002
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: to ask Courtney Love to say something ridiculous if you're

1003
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: making a book about anything about the nineties. American Idiot

1004
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: became green days first number one album in the United States,

1005
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: selling two seven thousand copies in its first week of release.

1006
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: The biggest opening sales week, Dukie was a bit of

1007
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: a slow burn if memory serves um. The album became

1008
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: two thousand five fourth highest seller overall, moving over three

1009
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: point four million units and stuck in the top ten

1010
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: of the Billboard two hundred for over a year following

1011
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: its release. As of two thousand seventeen, is worldwide sales

1012
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: or something like sixteen million copies. That is really wild

1013
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: that these scrappy pop punks notch to the biggest selling

1014
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: records in the past thirty years. Yeah, but you know

1015
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: they're really trying it. With Me. Their press release for

1016
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: the album declared the quote Neck and Neck with Sergeant

1017
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: Pepper is the greatest album of all time. I can't

1018
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: stand by and let that aggression stand. I mean, yeah,

1019
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: just leave. You don't even have to just let them

1020
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: shoot themselves on the foot with that. Come on guys.

1021
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: In his retrospective piece in Krang last year, Ian Woodward wrote,

1022
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: in terms of its sales figures, American Idiot can be

1023
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: justly regarded as the world's last truly blockbusting rock out

1024
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: a title will likely hold forever never again, or a

1025
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: group playing this kind of music likely to sell records

1026
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: in these kind of numbers. What do you think of that?

1027
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: You think there's any anyone that came later? Do you think, like, no,

1028
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: I actually actually something, No, I actually looked this up

1029
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: and I under heavy dress have to hand it to them.

1030
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: This is probably the last pure rock record to do

1031
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: these numbers. Um, who sells seventeen million? I mean, the

1032
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: thing is this came out eight years before Spotify, right,

1033
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: so that was an eight year window in which someone

1034
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: could have beat it, and no one did. Um. I

1035
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: think the only other bands that I could really think

1036
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: that would come close would be like Queens of the

1037
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Stone Age or Red Hot Chili Peppers. And I looked

1038
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: up Queens of Stone Age because I thought Songs for

1039
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: the Deaf was a way bigger hit than it was. Not. No,

1040
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: I was extremely wrong about that. And then what's the

1041
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Chili Peppers record from two thousand from around this time?

1042
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: By the way, Staty of Arcadium? Yeah, by the way,

1043
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: it was two thousand two, By the way, was the

1044
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: big one? By the way, went double platinum? Suits Stadium

1045
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: Arcadium did four times platinum. I yeah, I mean, who

1046
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: who sells sixteen million copies? Now? Except for like a

1047
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: Dele and Taylor Swift? Yes, I begrudgingly must hand it

1048
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: to them. Uh. This was a simpler time, not far

1049
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: removed from when the Dixie Chicks were crucified for slandering

1050
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: George W. Bush Post nine eleven for just saying he

1051
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: was ashamed they were ashamed he was in Texas. Come on, God,

1052
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: remember that. Anyway, the records quote unquote incendiary content resulted

1053
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: in it not being carried by some retailers, notably Walmart,

1054
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: which is hilarious because when I was trying to verify that,

1055
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: if you search American idiot and Walmart. All you get

1056
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: our current sales links selling seventy five various reissues of

1057
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: American Idiot on vinyl at Walmart. Uh. Some radio stations

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00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: declined to play the song, not on the basis of

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Speaker 1: the homophobic slur that Armstrong uses, but rather because that

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: uses the word redneck. Really shows where America was at

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: the time. I guess at one point they guessed it

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01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: on Letterman with John Kerry, like the day before this

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01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: album dropped. I do not remember this. They also performed

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Speaker 1: the title track. I thought it was on the letter

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01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: and it was on a different show in a bush

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Speaker 1: mask in the weeks leading up to the two thousand

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Speaker 1: four election. And Billy Joe later said, we did everything

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Speaker 1: we could to piss people off. But you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you actually listen to this record, it's really just

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Speaker 1: the title track and holiday that are overtly political, and

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01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: the rest of it is just, you know, a thematic

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01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: narrative about those characters st Jimmy and what's her name.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they were outspoken in interviews and on stage of

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Speaker 1: concerts and stuff, But the record itself, Uh, isn't that inflammatory?

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01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: And Billy Joe said as much in the Rolling Stone profile,

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01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: and it's a sentiment that would probably get him canceled,

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01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: if not crucified. Today, he said in the US that

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01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: puritanical feeling takes over. It's not a business who I

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: vote for. It stops people from thinking so much. They

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: developed a hard nosed opinion, and then suddenly they stopped

1081
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: taking in information. I don't have a million things against conservatives.

1082
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: Johnny Ramon was a very nice guy about a total Republican.

1083
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: I still like the guy. That's where it gets screwed up.

1084
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: If someone believes one thing, it turns into us against them.

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: This album is about feelings. I didn't want to make

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01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: a rage against the machine record. I wanted to make

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01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: an album of heartfelt songs. Uh. Last great billy quote

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01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: about all this this time from the alternative press. I've

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01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: always written about what's around me, whether it's about being

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01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: a kid master banking in front of the television or

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01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: now being scared to death in front of the television. Yeah,

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean all that. Uh well, I don't know if

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01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: you want to cut in my thing earlier about like

1094
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: this being like the most low stakes political age a

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Speaker 1: prop of all time. I mean, like, of course you

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: don't want to make a rage against machine record You're

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01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: not smart enough? Like this is it bothers me because

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: like I really do love the writing, but like every

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01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: single thing that comes out of this guy's mouth makes

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01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: me want to molly whop him, you know, just like

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01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: go upside his coal rimmed little head. It's you know why,

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01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: it is because he's rich, because he's been a millionaire

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01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: since he was eighteen. Like, that's why you can afford

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01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: to say things like I don't want to be political.

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01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: I just want to write songs about my feelings. Like different,

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01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: rich white guy from California. That's why he says that

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01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: that's why he can be friends with Johnny Ramone. Although

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, I guess admittedly he made a bunch of

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: empty noise recently about wanting to renounce his US citizenship

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Speaker 1: and move to the UK because of Roe V Wade,

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01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: So I guess he's got that going for him, which

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Speaker 1: is nice. Um. In two thousand five, American Idiot Want

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Speaker 1: a Grammy Award for Best Rock Albums, nominated in six

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01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: other categories, including am of the Album of the Year,

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01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: though because of a quirk in the way the Recording

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: Academy structures the eligibility Windows, Boulevard of Broken Dreams one

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01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: Record of the Year. The following year, video for Boulevard

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01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: of Broken Dreams won six MTV Video Music Awards, making

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01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: it apparently the only song to win both Record of

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Speaker 1: the Year at the Grammys and the MTV Video Music

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01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: Award for Video of the Year. God, what a quainter

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01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: time when that matter to people. Um So, now we

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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: have to get into the musical. At some point it

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01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: director named Michael Myer mayor something is making the two

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01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: thousand six horse Girl drama flicker, and for some reason

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: he is obsessively listening to American Idiot on his drives

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01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: to and fro from work. He's rock infused. Take a

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: Victorian era teen angst called Spring Awakening was a hit

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Speaker 1: on Broadway at this point, and it would go on

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01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: to win him a Tony Award for directing in two

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01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: thousand seven. And I guess he was being interviewed about

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01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: that musical by Variety and they said, do you think

1133
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: there'll be any more rock in musicals? And he answered, well,

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01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: obviously American Idiot could be turned into a musical. Somebody's

1135
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: probably already doing it. Narrator voice they were not, But

1136
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm a Dais star and producer Tom Holse. Tom Holsey,

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01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how you pronounced that guy's name. Guy

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: who played Mozart in Almadeis read that article and suggested

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: that Mayor move forward with the idea, and within weeks

1140
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: Green Day had flown out to New York to see

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01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: Spring Awakening and meet him. He told the Orange County

1142
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: Register in we spent the whole night talking at this

1143
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: little theater bar. The incongruity of seeing Billy Jo arms

1144
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: Strong in a bar with Nathan Lane and Bernadette Peters

1145
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: was bizarre. Amen bolstering the album's fifty seven minute run

1146
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: time with four songs from the European only release, Mayor

1147
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: was given free reign by the band to do whatever

1148
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: he wanted with the material. They didn't see anything from

1149
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: it until a two thousand eight reading of which Mayor

1150
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: recalled I looked over and all three were sitting there

1151
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: with tears streaming down their faces, which I will never forget.

1152
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: It was one of the most satisfying moments in my life.

1153
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: After he run at the Berkeley Repertory Theater in two

1154
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 1: thousand nine, the show moved to the St. James Theater

1155
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: on Broadway opening on April two thousand ten. Decent for

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01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: twenty joke there, a show for which Donald Trump was

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: apparently in attendance. What he thought they could get a

1158
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: capsule review from Donald Trump loves musicals. Um. He was

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: also at the opening night of Studio fifty four. He

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01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: was like, I think he was like the first person there,

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: Like he was early to the party and they were

1162
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: still like getting stuff set up. Jesus Christ. The show

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01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: closed a little over a year later after four all

1164
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: so close to another four twenty Come on, guys, he

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: should have canceled two of them four hundred twenty two performances, uh,

1166
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: some of which saw Billy Joe appear as St. Jimmy.

1167
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: Other guest stars playing that role included fellow Bay Area

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: punk Davey Havoc of a f I UH and Melissa Etheridge.

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01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: Um shows cast recording when the two thousand one Grammy

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01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: Award for Best Musical Show Album, although it was ineligible

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: for a Tony Award because less than fift it was

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01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: written for the adaptation, but it did win for Best

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: Scenic Design and Best Lighting Design, so a lot of

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01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: tech crew people were happy about that. I guess um

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: American Idiot fever continued to burn unrestrained through this country

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01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: as of at least two thousand eleven, when production company

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01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: playtoned option the musical for film, with Mayor attached to

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01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: direct and Universal Pictures in talks to distribute. Armstrong was

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01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: asked to star as St. Jimmy in it, but he

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01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: was waffling on it, and the film was initially slated

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Speaker 1: for a two thousand thirteen release. By July two, Mayor

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01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: was saying at a performance of the musical, though, that

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01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: the adaptation was still happening, but was delayed due to

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01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: quote Hollywood bullshit. In March of two thousand fourteen, I

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01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: bet it was, Buddy. In March of two fourteen, playwright

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01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: this is wild Rolin Jones, who is a playwright who

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01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: is a pullets Are finalist for one of his plays

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: and an Emmy nominee for episodes of Friday Night Lights.

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01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: He was apparently tapped to write a screenplay for this

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01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 1: and at that time he said, I'm going to finish

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01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: it by the end of the month. Uh. Fast forward

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: over two years. In October, Billy Joe tills n m

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: E that the film had moved to HBO and was

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: getting more rewrites and that he would be starring in it.

1195
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: And then fast forward to February where he told an

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Speaker 1: Emmy that plans for the film adaptation had been pretty

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01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: much scrapped without elaborating, so sorry, I guess all you

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Speaker 1: green Day heads, I'm kind of amazed that they didn't

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Speaker 1: run longer. Green Day Natics? What do you call green

1200
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: Day fans? Jordan's this isn't a bit, I'm not doing

1201
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: a bit big greeners. Uh. Green Day has put out

1202
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: six records since American, including two thousand twelves Astounding Run,

1203
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: where for some reason they released they pulled their kiss

1204
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: move and each released a solo album, won Os Does

1205
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: and Trace. Their follow up to that, one Century Breakdown

1206
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: did really well. Weirdly, I looked up the sales records

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01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: for that and it did way better than I expected

1208
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: or remembered it. I don't remember a thing about that.

1209
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 1: Was there a single or is it just sell really well?

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01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: I think this single was the one that was like

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Speaker 1: bo yeah, yeah, you know that old chestnut Lulu, Well

1212
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: that won a Grammy, sold four million worldwide. God, green

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: Day cannot be stopped. This is where I have to

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01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: put aside all my cynicism because one of the things

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01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: that I do and have always loved about this band

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01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: is that live they pull kids up on stage and

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Speaker 1: hand over their instruments and either teach them how to

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Speaker 1: play one of their songs or teach them how to

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: play earlier on. It was that op ivy so acknowledge

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01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: and multiple people who are currently musicians have come out

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Speaker 1: and been like, this was like the biggest moment of

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: my life. The Matt Healey uh said that the moment

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01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: he became determined to become a musician was when, at thirteen,

1224
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: the band pulled him on stage to play bass with

1225
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: them in front of ten thousand people at the Newcastle Arena.

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01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: Billie Eilish was not even born when Duke came out.

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Speaker 1: She said it's one of her favorite albums and remembers

1228
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: her brother phineas getting a pair of trade Cools drumsticks

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01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: at a Green Day concert. And Billy J. Armstrong said

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: that even Edge Shearon saw them at Wembley Stadium performing

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01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: Time of Your Life and that was a big formative

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01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: moment for him. That kind of sounds like an edge

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, and you know what, talk a lot

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Speaker 1: of this episode, but more music is not rarely a

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01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: bad thing. And if you're inspiring kids to pick up

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01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 1: an instrument and being a band and changed their life,

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01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: I'll take any amount of your bullshit. What do you

1238
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: do if the more music is bad music? And then

1239
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: I just don't listen to it, and I'm I'm caddy

1240
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: about it on my podcast. Uh, there's a great anecdote

1241
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 1: from that Spitz book, But I guess we have to

1242
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: leave on. In March of two five, Corey George, a

1243
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: nine year old kid in Wales, was in a coma

1244
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: following a car accident. He woke up after his mom

1245
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: played him the American Idiot album. He literally woke out

1246
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: of a coma because someone played him American Idiot probably

1247
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: would have kept me in. But now you know what,

1248
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: if nothing else, they've got that going for him, which

1249
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: is nice. Which is nice. Oh, I've made so many enemies.

1250
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: I swear I wasn't going to be this mean. I

1251
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: swear I didn't come in guns loaded. Cut most of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you folks for listening. This has been

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Speaker 1: too much information. I'm Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan run Tug.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Too much information was auction

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Speaker 1: of I heart Radio. The show's executive producers are Noel

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01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: Brown and Jordan runt Talk. The supervising producer is Mike John's.

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: The show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan run

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01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: Talk and Alex Heigel, with original music by Seth Applebaum

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 1: and the Ghost Funk Orchestra. If you like what you heard,

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,520
Speaker 1: please subscribe and leave us a review. For more podcasts

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Speaker 1: on I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app,

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