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Speaker 1: baum Gartner. Now you don't have to ask me who

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Speaker 1: am calling the incredible Ernie Hudson for today's episode. And listen.

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Speaker 1: He's what they call prolific. Ernie has been gracing screens

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ernie Hudson, Bubble and Squeak. I love it,

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Speaker 1: Bubble and Squeak, Bubble and Squeaker cooking at every month,

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Speaker 1: ABC really liked me, and the producers really liked me,

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00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: but Henry was not so love me. So they wanted

426
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: me to go back and auditioned for Henry. And so

427
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: I went back in and as I was walking into

428
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: the room and they called me and Henry was leaving,

429
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: so and I was like, man, so and I went in.

430
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: I did the little dance came out. I got a

431
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: call from the agent later on saying bad news. You

432
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: didn't get Ryan's four. And I was like, but you

433
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: got this movie called Adventures in the Creep Zone shooting

434
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: in Vancouver, and I'm like Adventures in the Creep Zone

435
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: that I was really depressed. Well, Adventures in the Creep

436
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: Zone was a movie that Ivan Rightman would be producing

437
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: and with Peter Strauss and Molly Ringwall. So I did

438
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: that movie, got a chance to work with Ivan. But

439
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: the character in that movie was Washington, who was a

440
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: guy who was sort of bigger than life. My head

441
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: was shaved, I talked in the lower register. He was

442
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: just sort of one of those kind of bombassaing big guys,

443
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, And I think Ivan saw me that way.

444
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: And so the first time I heard a ghost by

445
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: because it was a year after I had worked with

446
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: him on Space Center and I was visiting a friend

447
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: at Sea Signai Hospital and I have been ripe. I

448
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: just happened to be there, got on the elevator and

449
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: we're riding down and need you know, pleasant tries and

450
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: then he said, oh, I'm I'm doing this movie Ghostbusters

451
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: with a Billy and Danny, but there's nothing in it

452
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: for you do when they're really fast. And said, okay,

453
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: well that's uh, it's cool. And then I found out

454
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: that there was a role that were casting looking at

455
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: Black So but I think at one point they saw everybody,

456
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: but I've been they've refused to see me. So it

457
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: took me probably it feels like three months. It might

458
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: have been two months. I don't know, but it took

459
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: me a long time to finally my agent was able

460
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: to get an audition. And that was because I even

461
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: saw you in a certain way, I think so he

462
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: saw me in a certain way. The character I've played

463
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: in that movie would not work in ghost Busses because

464
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: he was just you know, like I said, and it

465
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: was he was over the top and that's what he

466
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: that's that was the character, you know. So but I

467
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: went in and auditioned, and I thought, I, Um, Harold

468
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: Ramos was in the room ivan his producers, and I

469
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: killed it. I mean I got the script. At first.

470
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: I got the script and I thought, oh my god,

471
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: this is so amazing. If I get this role, I

472
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: gotta get this role. Except I was a single dad.

473
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: The rent was due. I needed his job. I just

474
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: went in and then I got the feedback that they

475
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: liked me a lot. They wanted me to come in

476
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: and screen tests. I'm thinking, but they had a camera

477
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: in the room at the time, but okay, So I

478
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: went back in and then they said, well, they really

479
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: liked me and they wanted to come again. I think

480
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: I did like six auditions and they still weren't satisfied.

481
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: They said they were going to New York they were

482
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: gonna see some because there and so this is going on,

483
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: like it just felt like forever. I made the mistake

484
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: of calling um the casting director because I just needed

485
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: to know, and I said, uh, I'm I'm going to Hawaii,

486
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to leave town in case this

487
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: was going to happen. So what's going on? And she said, well,

488
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, I will let you know. Well, when they

489
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: went to negotiate, they said, oh, Ernie wants a job

490
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: because he's been calling casting director and so we don't

491
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: have to pay him anybody because he's so desperate. And

492
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: they didn't and so, uh but you know, it worked out,

493
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: but it was it was a struggle getting the job.

494
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, Ghostbusters was a probably the biggest learning experience

495
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: I've had, and all my fifty five plus whatever years

496
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: I've been doing this, it was while it was it

497
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: was a struggle because it wasn't anything that I thought.

498
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: You know, at first I got the movie, but you're

499
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: not making that much money. I mean, I'm just lucky.

500
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: But the role was so amazing that I I get

501
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: this role. Man, I know, I'm gonna just I'm gonna

502
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: take Hollywood. And then I before we start chewing, they

503
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: changed the role and they took all the meat out

504
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: of it, and suddenly I'm coming in halfway through the

505
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: movie and it's like, that's not what I signed up.

506
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: I took no money because it's such a great role.

507
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: But now it's not a great role and so and

508
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: and then I do the movie and then uh, in

509
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: the movie, get ready, I'm not on the promotion, I'm

510
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: not on these three guys, and I'm not in it.

511
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: And so all the things are going to happen in

512
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Hollywood didn't happen. And and I'm stuck in an apartment.

513
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: And now the movie is so huge that fans are

514
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: coming to my door. Go on and on and on.

515
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: So it was but all of it was me having

516
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: to go, how do I how and why I adjust?

517
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: And I think that is what has helped me to sustain.

518
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: How do I not be angry about this? But how

519
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: do I what's going on? And how do I make

520
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: peace with? And Harold Ramos was very helpful that way.

521
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Harold carried himself in a way that I thought, no

522
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: matter what happens on the set, Harold is always you know,

523
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: he just knows how to navigate. And I would watch

524
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: him a lot, and I think I learned a lot.

525
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Just you know, you can't lose it. When I was

526
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: a kid, you make me mad, I'll do this. You

527
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: can't do that and not have a career. But you

528
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: can't not do it and hate yourself. You gotta find

529
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: a way to still feel good about who you are

530
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and still allow life to happen the way it happens.

531
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: And that's what Ghostbusters taught me. Yeah, Harold directed a

532
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: number of episodes of the Office, and I was lucky

533
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: enough to get to know him a little bit. What

534
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: a what a kind yea even killed That's it's really interesting.

535
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way, but yeah, you know,

536
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: he directed some probably our most complicated episode out of

537
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: two hundred and six never never unflappable. Yeah, yeah, no,

538
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: he um. I always sort of credit him. I mean,

539
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: not taking any away from my environment, but whenever things

540
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: would just get a little bit crazy a little bit,

541
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and that's all, Harold was always the one that pulled

542
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: all the pieces back together, you know what I mean.

543
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: He just had a way and and I always considered him.

544
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean we never really what we did hang out

545
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I just really I was able

546
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: to tell him later on at the Austin Film Festival,

547
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: they asked me to present him with an award, but

548
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: he just it meant a lot to me at that time.

549
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, when you're young, you get advice from friends

550
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: and it's not the best advice you get upset, and

551
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: he said, man, you ought to do this, said you

552
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: do something stupid. And then but it was nice having

553
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: someone kind of it wasn't a mentor, but just my

554
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: wife and I had been together for a number of

555
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: years since before I came out of l A and

556
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: we and I had been married once. It was awful.

557
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: I didn't want to marry again, and we were together,

558
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: but I was kind of not committed. And it was

559
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: actually Harold who was getting married at the time. But

560
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: I realized that she was. They were there was the closest,

561
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: there was a friendship, and that was what really mattered.

562
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: You know. I think sometimes in Hollywood, you think you

563
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: got to marry this kind of person, you know. I mean,

564
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: she wasn't the right color, she wasn't the right whatever,

565
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, even though she's my best friend and we

566
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: have this very special bond, but it's not it's not

567
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: what I need to do what I And then I

568
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: think it was Harold that not for anything he said,

569
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: but I'm like, yeah, that, I mean, I want someone

570
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to spend my life with and not someone

571
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: who looks a certain way or is approved by whoever. Yeah,

572
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: and uh and I know, I don't think I ever

573
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: said this to my wife, but I know that is

574
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: what made me go. You know what, I don't I

575
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: don't need anybody's approval to love who I love and

576
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: UH always and I still together now what he six

577
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: whatever years. But to make that final step, it was

578
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: just seeing Harold his relationship with his UH with his

579
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: wife was very very special. So I learned a lot

580
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: in so many ways. Yeah, well, I mean it's a

581
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: huge obviously. I mean it's just it's almost reductive to

582
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: talk about how huge the movie was. The opening weekend

583
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: set box office records at the time, it's sat there

584
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: for weeks being at the top. Is it? Is it

585
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: a blessing or a curse for you? You know some

586
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: things that's him, like curses end up being blessings. So

587
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. All I know is

588
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: at the time, once again I was a single dad.

589
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: I need to work, and I thought, okay, this is

590
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: going to open up my MOVI. And I've done some

591
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: movies before. I did a movie with John Candy called

592
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: Going was a Going Deserved. I think it was Going deserved.

593
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: I've done a few films before, but I thought Ghostbuster

594
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: was going to open the door because it's what I

595
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: always been told. Have been a big blockbuster movie, it

596
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: means other things with a major studio. So I didn't

597
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: make the money that I thought movie stars make. And

598
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm living in a neighborhood. There's no gates,

599
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: there's no kind of protection here, and suddenly I can't

600
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: get a movie. I cannot not get a movie. I

601
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: can't even get an interview. I even Colombia, who produced

602
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: the movie, who would invite me to come to their parties.

603
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: We're doing movie they were doing sold the story with

604
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: most of the black cast. I couldn't get an audition.

605
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: It was like everything froze up. And that was like

606
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: I didn't understand why it was. It wasn't until they

607
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: three years later, Nick Noley was doing a movie called Weeds,

608
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: and I finally got an audition and I went in

609
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: and I just had I had to have this role,

610
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: and I got the role. And then I did I

611
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: think six or seven movies back to back, and then

612
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters too happened and the same thing happened. Everything shut down.

613
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know if producers thought

614
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: that somehow, I don't know what why. I can't explain why,

615
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: but it did not. And that's when I went to

616
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: do a lot of TV show, you know, because I

617
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: wasn't getting filmed, which is what I wanted to do.

618
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Did you well, but let's hope for Ghostbusters too. They

619
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: paid you a little bit more. They paid me a

620
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: little bit more, but I think I got it. I

621
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: think they paid me about as much as those guys

622
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: per Diem was, you know, I mean, those guys each

623
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: got timper scent of the box office gross. Okay, so

624
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: so we we won't even go there. But they did

625
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: pay me more, and it was certainly more fun. Winston

626
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: was established. But I will say, and I ain't ad

627
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: at nobody, don't get me wrong here, but I will

628
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: say that the character's cut out of half of the movie. Again,

629
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's Winston that? I mean, I opened the

630
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: movie and then I disappear, and so none of that

631
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: ever made sense. It still doesn't make sense. Fans are

632
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: okay with it, but I never really understand. But you know,

633
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: now it's a different time. Jason Reitman has sort of

634
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: taken over the Helm and ghost buses. You know, they're

635
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: moving forward with it. I went to UM. I got

636
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: invited to Chicago. They had a thirty year reunion release

637
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: of the movie, and so I got invited to Chicago,

638
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: go to the theater and introduced the movie and the

639
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: whole thing. And I get to Chicago and I said,

640
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: and it's the three guys on the I'm like, come

641
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: on thirty years later, guys, really, this is true. I

642
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: did that Today Show and Al Roker, who's a big

643
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: fan of the movie, and so they did the interview

644
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: and then he said, Ernie, we have some gifts for you.

645
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: And they gave me a little bag of Ghostbuster stuff

646
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: which was two dolls, which wasn't one of mine. And

647
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: then I got a T shirt. This is true. I'm

648
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: on the Today's Show. They give me a T shirt

649
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: and it's four guys on the T shirt, but it's

650
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: Danny Ackroyd. Twice I'm not on the T shirt. I go,

651
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: this has to be delivered. I mean, somebody had to

652
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: look at and I don't know. I don't know how

653
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: to react on national TV. I don't know if I

654
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: say something, if I don't say something. So I didn't

655
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: say anything, but I'm like, so, anyway, some Ghostbusters person

656
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know, but it's uh, it's been interesting,

657
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: to say the least. But the fans are amazing. They've

658
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: always been very kind. I remember having a discussion with

659
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: one of the executive producers and Ivan, and the executive

660
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: producers said, you know, the fans they think Once is

661
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: just one of the Ghostbusters, Like, are you kidding me?

662
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: That's what I thought too. But I love the franchise.

663
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm very happy. I've been um. And then I remember

664
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: I've been saying Once that. He says, you know, Ernie,

665
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: you worked, you work more than all the other guys,

666
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: and I go, yeah, because I had to make up

667
00:39:44,560 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: trying to catch up with that tender said Ghostbusters answer

668
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: the call, directed by Paul fig I was in that

669
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: so I will tell I will tell you the story.

670
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this story. Very few people have heard

671
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: this story. I don't think I've ever told the story

672
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: before publicly. But I hope I don't get in trouble.

673
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Alison Jones, who was casting director of the Office, and

674
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: Paul fig who directed a lot of episodes of the Office.

675
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: I get a call. It's about seven o'clock at night

676
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: and from Alison Jones direct I think directly to me.

677
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: We were friends, and she said, so there's this a

678
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: little part. It's gonna be something bigger. It happens at

679
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: the absolute climax of the movie. Paul said he needs

680
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: you in the movie and I said, okay, okay, you

681
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: know there's and she goes, there's not much there. Who

682
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: wants to m probably wants to do all this stuff

683
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: on set. He needs you to come to Boston tomorrow

684
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: the first flight of the day. And I'm like, what

685
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: wait tomorrow, Like both are and I said okay, And

686
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: I said how long will I be there? And she said,

687
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. So like, yeah, this is one moment.

688
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one moment in the movie. And

689
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: so I fly, I fly to like five thirty in

690
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: the morning, I'm getting up, I fly to Boston. I'm there,

691
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: and it is the climax of the movie. You got

692
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: them swinging around, ghosts coming up, all the ladies are there, everything,

693
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: And basically what happens is I come out in my bathrobe,

694
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: dead pan a joke, get killed by a ghost and

695
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: that's it. But because it was that there were all

696
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: of these elements, we shot the same scene for like

697
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: two and a half weeks. That kept getting interrupt it

698
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: by Rain. I think I was there about a month,

699
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: and um, and I was, I was. I was cut

700
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: from the movie. Now I'm back in. I think cut,

701
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: but I was cut. That's my Ghostbusters experience as well.

702
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: So well, if you were there for a month, you

703
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: made a whole lot more than I did, because they

704
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: were like, we want you in the movie and uh,

705
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, guys, uh, you make it seem like

706
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to be in the movie. But so,

707
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: but you're You're not a Ghostbuster, You're the uncle. Did that?

708
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, because that makes any sense to me.

709
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: But I love all the person Let me say I

710
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed the movie, and I love all the ladies. They're

711
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: all incredibly funny. I think there was a lot funnier

712
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: if they weren't trying to be a version of us.

713
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: But that's another story. But but yeah, I did not

714
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: understand what I was doing and they were. The offer

715
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: was so ridiculous. I though, heart, I'm not jumping up

716
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: and down to necessarily go to work for you, so

717
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: you gotta at least make it interesting. But but I

718
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: love Paul, and you know, I drew working with him.

719
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: I've never worked with him before and now after after life,

720
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: this is it's all. It's just coming back and this

721
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: is this franchise is coming, okay, and you're happy about

722
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm very happy. But well, I mean in the the

723
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: end of the movie, you know, they do the credits,

724
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: and so Winston has now done very well in life,

725
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: and so I think he's connected. We have the scene

726
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: and I said something about you know the ghostbus is

727
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: My boy said, yeah, we just we were talking. Yeah,

728
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: well you're a businessman, but you know you'll always be

729
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: a ghostbuster. Okay, So I I threw that line in

730
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: at the end, So so hopefully I'll always be a ghostbuster.

731
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: And uh, I know they're they're Jason is writing in

732
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: the new script. I understand Sony has approved it. This understanding.

733
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope if there is, uh,

734
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: I'll be in it and they'll be happy to have

735
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: me enough to where it shows up in my bank account.

736
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: But well we'll see. I never you know this, I

737
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: never take anything for granted or soon. I'm just very

738
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: happy to still be you know, able to you know,

739
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: hang out and talk to you guys like you man.

740
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: I love me. I love your work. You know, just

741
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I'm a fan. So well, this is a blessing.

742
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm such a big fan of yours.

743
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: I have to ask you about one of my favorite shows.

744
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what this says about me. You know,

745
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: you talk to me earlier about well that you're a

746
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: bit of a chameleon in a way, and that that

747
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: your performance is not based on a persona that you

748
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: have created that people want to see over and over,

749
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: but it's about the character. And I have to mention.

750
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's a little bit of time after Ghostbusters,

751
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: but you're getting cast in oz Oh. Yeah, as as

752
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: Warden Leo Glenn. Were you excited about that opportunity, being

753
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: able to do something different? Yeah? Yeah, you know, I

754
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: had to take what excites me. When people come to

755
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: me and say we love your work, we're doing this

756
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: and we like to have you come and work and

757
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: played with us, that means so much. When I got

758
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: to go on audition and and I don't even want

759
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: to not actually, at this stage in my life, I

760
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: don't do it anymore us Like you know what, guys, honestly,

761
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm unless it was a role that was so amazing

762
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: So Tom Fontana was the senior writer producer on St Elsewhere,

763
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, the series. Denzel was on it, and uh

764
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: it ran for a while. I did a half season

765
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: during the summer that the Second Ghostbus was on, and

766
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: we would talk a while. But I got a call

767
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: from him saying he was doing this series Odd to

768
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Place in a Prison and he said, you know, we

769
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: always talked about working together. I didn't remember that, but

770
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: I said, oh yeah, and he said, you know, and

771
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: so I'm doing this and uh, you know, would you

772
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: like to come? And I'm like, yeah, you know, the

773
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: fact that he cared enough to invite me that meant

774
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: so much. And I love the character. But I was

775
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: amazed at the the actor of the cast, the people.

776
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I still I just they showed up, and you know,

777
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: when you're working with a group of people and they

778
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: show up, you have to show up. I mean, and

779
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: I love that. That's how they should casting. Never cast

780
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: as something as they'll cast down. I think the actor

781
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: is kind of weakn so didn't anybody else It's but

782
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: it's it was just a great cast and I'm so

783
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: thankful to have been a part of it. And in fact,

784
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: I just worked with Tom Fontana and that whole production

785
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: crew on a serious call sitting on the hill with

786
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: Eldess Hodge and Kevin Bacon, and it was so much

787
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,439
Speaker 1: fun to go and see those guys again. Your son

788
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: appeared in OZ with you. Yes, yeah, yeah, my son

789
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: who did some acting for a while. He's now sometimes

790
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: he produces things, but he's in the business educative he

791
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: does I don't wait that, but he uh, he's only

792
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: dabbles a bit. But he was in the one of

793
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: the seasons of OZ and it was Yeah, it was great.

794
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I think he had a great time. You know. It

795
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me in this. At the end of

796
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: that season, he gets killed, and so my character has

797
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: to go in and look at the body. And I

798
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: remember when he's a little kid, he would say, Dad,

799
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to die in a movie,

800
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: tell me, because I don't want to see that. I don't,

801
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, I just I don't want to see you

802
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: die in a movie. And so then it was kind

803
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: of reverse since I'm going in there and I'm kind

804
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: of looking at him like he was dead, and it

805
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: was so weird, but but he was. He was wonderful

806
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: on the on the series and yeah, it was. It

807
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: was cool. Yeah, So I have to ask you about this.

808
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: I heard you a warden in OZ, a senior deputy

809
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: officer in ten eight Officers on Duty, a detective later

810
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: on in Desperate Housewives. You actually became a real life

811
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: reserve deputy sheriff in San Bernardino County. How did this

812
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: come about? Come about? What was what was this about? Well?

813
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: I was asked to do a Ghostbuster after the first Ghostbusters.

814
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: I would go to schools and and and talk to kids,

815
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, and make the monitary Ghostbuster. It's kind of

816
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: a nice time to do. I got in by to

817
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: a school in Pasadena. I agree to go. They put

818
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: me up by the hotel, spend the night, got up

819
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: that morning, did the little thing. Checked out of the hotel.

820
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: The staff comes over. They want me to sign autographs,

821
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: which is and I'm I'm feeling pretty good about, you know,

822
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: this nice thing that I did. I walked out, go

823
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: into the garage and I walcome to the garage, I'm

824
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: grabbed leave from behind these guys. They throw me to

825
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: the ground. This guy got a chokehold on me. I'm

826
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: looking around trying to figure out what's going on. Something saying,

827
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: don't fight back. I'm looking at these boots and now

828
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: it's about fourteen cops and I'm on the ground and

829
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: I I just kind of and then I hit their

830
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: talking and the guy says, holy sh it, that's the guy.

831
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: That's the guy, you know, the guy that's the Ghostbuster guy.

832
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: And the guy who's holding me sort of jerks my

833
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: head around and looked at me in the face and

834
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: he said, oh man, this is oh oh. Man said

835
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. So then they stammed me up,

836
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, go on. So they dust me off

837
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: and they're talking, but I'm trying to make sense out

838
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: of this. I'm insulted. I feel like I should have

839
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: I should have thought up, but I couldn't the police

840
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: and then they said, I said what why did you?

841
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: They said, well, oh man, he said, you know there

842
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: was a robbery. This kid robbed a store. At that

843
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: point of damn, fifty years old. This kid robs the thing.

844
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: And I fit the description? How did I fit the descriptions?

845
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: Walked through the door. So they said, do you mind

846
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Speaker 1: if we get an autograph? And I'm like no, I

847
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Speaker 1: So I get in my current and I'm just I

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Speaker 1: I hate myself because I didn't. It's just it was

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Speaker 1: just anyway. I was living in up in the mountains

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Speaker 1: Lake Carolhead and a friend of mine who was part

851
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Speaker 1: of the police department, they ran a special community thing

852
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: and and I told him the stories earn. He said,

853
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: you know what you need. You need to get a badge.

854
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: He says, why don't you join become a deputy? Sure, whatever,

855
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Speaker 1: and and well, in fact, we'll make you a sergeant.

856
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: So I got a sergeant's badge from the San Berdino Department.

857
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: You have to go and take the training and qualifying

858
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: all that. So I did, but I did it primarily

859
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: so I would have me a sheriff's badge. If I

860
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: ever got to stop, I can stage check my shield

861
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: and it got me out of h I bought a

862
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Speaker 1: new Porsche once, and I literally was driving this porch

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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifteen miles an hour on a stretch

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Speaker 1: on the one on one freeway, and I thought, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this thing is fast. I looked back and

866
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: I see these lights, and I go, uh. And then

867
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Speaker 1: the first thought was he can't catch me. I can

868
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: all run it. I'm in a new Porsche. And then

869
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: I thought nah. So I pulled over and he pulls

870
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Speaker 1: up and he's pissed. I mean, he's really, he's just really.

871
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: So he comes up and uh, he said, your license,

872
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: and I would have it. So when I opened my wallet,

873
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: you see the badge with my license and he looks

874
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: at it and he says, I guess I'm working in

875
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: the wrong department and he walks away. So I was

876
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: in Australia. I did a wrong you turn. I showed

877
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: the bad but then I started getting fans who would

878
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: say this happened. They came in my home, they got

879
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: the wrong place, they beat all these horror stories and

880
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: so eventually I just gave a badge back and said,

881
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: you know what, guys, I can't I can't represent because

882
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: it's just too much going on, and so I don't

883
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: have anymore. But that's my that's the honest that's the

884
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: honest story. I did Steve Harvey Show once and I

885
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: was telling you I was in a shift her from

886
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: I said, yes, I said, but I took the training.

887
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: I learned a lot. He said, what do you learn?

888
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: How to how they can kick your ass some wars?

889
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's that's why. Well, I mean, look your

890
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Your career has been truly unbelievable. I mean, you're you're

891
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: still now fifty years later, acting in shows Bones, Law

892
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: and Order, Secret Life of the American Teenager, Modern Family.

893
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about becoming Lily Tomlin's love

894
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: interest in Grace and Frankie. I heard you were a

895
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: fan of hers and of Jane Fonda, Is that right?

896
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: You know what, when I first started this business, they

897
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: were already established. Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda, She's always been established.

898
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's especially asked me. They said

899
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be Jane Fonda's love interest, and I'm like, wow,

900
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: there's a little trips age wise. I think, I don't know,

901
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: but I got Barbararella that poster in my mind. I'm like, okay,

902
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: I can I can work with that. And then they said, no,

903
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: we want you to be Lily Tomlin's love interest. Now

904
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: all I can see of Lily Tomas that big rocking chair.

905
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: You know. So, but when I met Lily, she's so lovely,

906
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: and I just but I've been a fan of theirs.

907
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: I had worked with Sam Waterson for on Law and

908
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Order and done a season of that. But but I

909
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: just love Lily, and they're all amazing people. It was

910
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: just just a pleasure. Lily so amazing, and she has

911
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: a spirit that reminds me of my grandmother who raised me.

912
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: There was something about her integrity, age, it's about and

913
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: yet she's so down to earth. But when you say

914
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: to a woman, you remind me of my grandmother. Not

915
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: the best thing, but she just she's an amazing person,

916
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: wonderful actress. I just it was a real blessing too.

917
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Speaker 1: And that's what I loved about that show. Was a

918
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: lot of times they'll want me to be you know,

919
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: he mentioned the detective things, So I gotta be tough.

920
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: I gotta be something that doesn't feel natural, you know

921
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like I love telling stories, but

922
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: it has to be true to the character for me

923
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: to be able to play a character that was that

924
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: I didn't have to be the bad guy or the

925
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: just he was just a guy who liked this kind

926
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: of quirky woman. And it opened a door to a

927
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: whole new kind of fan base. I mean, older women

928
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: suddenly started asking for photographs with the Ghostbuster kids. Uh, well,

929
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to talk

930
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: to me. I have long admired your work and thank

931
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: you consider it. It's such a pleasure. I wish you

932
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: nothing but the best moving forward. I know you've got

933
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: Quantum Leap out, You've got You're just you you. You

934
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: don't stop working, Ernie, and I love it. Well, thank

935
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: you so much, man, I you know, well, it's it's mutual. Man.

936
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you, appreciate the work you're doing. I

937
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: heard about your record setting cameos, but that's like, how

938
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: did he do that that? You know, everybody's got to

939
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: be good at something. Everybody's got to be good at something.

940
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: But but no, I appreciate you man, good luck. I

941
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: wish we'd have more time to sort of hang out,

942
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: like I said, you schedule but no worries. Thank you,

943
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: thank you taking the time Quintum Leap. I should again

944
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: mentioned that it's on NBC Monday nights, Family Businesses on

945
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: BT Plus Fun. What a fun character that is? Yeah,

946
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: it's yeah. So it's all good. Take good care and

947
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm always around mess we get a chance, we'll talk

948
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: to you, so look forward to it. Thanks Ernie, all right,

949
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: thank you, all right, by Ernie. It was so great

950
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: talking to you and getting to know you. Thank you

951
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast. I could have talked to

952
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: you all day. I am in awe of your career

953
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: and just promised me this. Okay, the next movie that

954
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: we're in together, let's actually appear in some scenes together. Okay, listeners,

955
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: thank you for stopping by. It is always a pleasure

956
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: getting to spend some time with you. Come back next week.

957
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: I promise I'll do my best to interview effectively an

958
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: amazing guest. Now, can you guess who it's going to be?

959
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: Because I'll never tell, but I'll see you soon. Off

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Speaker 1: the Beat is hosted an executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner,

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Speaker 1: alongside our executive producer Langley. Our producers are Diego Tapia,

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Speaker 1: Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr. Our talent producer

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00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern is Sammy Cats.

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