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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Heidi hollis with us. Heidi, of course, is

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Speaker 1: that truth seeker of the unknown, an expert on the

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Speaker 1: Shadow people the Hatman phenomena. She actually gave them both

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Speaker 1: their descriptive names in her books The Secret War, a

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Speaker 1: True Story about a real Alien War, and Shadow People

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Speaker 1: in The Hat Band, The True Story of Evil Encounters.

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Speaker 1: Heidi is a radio talk show host The Outlander, a

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Speaker 1: cartoonist occupational therapist as well. Her paranormal comic strip is

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Speaker 1: called The Outlanders, very popular as well. Heidi, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, they're George, just making my parents proud. Mary.

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Speaker 1: You know what you do, such a wonderful job every

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Speaker 1: time you're on the program. Every time. Thanks George, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Optimistic. How did the shadow people and the

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Speaker 1: hat People come your way? What happened? Oh gosh, man,

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Speaker 1: I was just very unlucky. I first spotted the shadow

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Speaker 1: people following a friend of mine, a shadow being shoulders shadow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the first experience, and I thought, honestly that

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, I know, I was the same

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Speaker 1: things I knew I'd seen something, and I saw this

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Speaker 1: thing following us on a bright sunny day and we

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Speaker 1: reached our destination and this thing followed us all the

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Speaker 1: way back, and by the time I got back to

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Speaker 1: my friend's home, I was just beside myself. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I grabbed a piece of paper and I

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Speaker 1: drew this hulking, shadowy thing with a head directly connected

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Speaker 1: to its shoulders, just black. And you know, I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: my friend's gonna laugh and think, you know what if

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Speaker 1: he if he go what's going on with this girl?

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Speaker 1: And she takes a look at it, and she's just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: bad thing. I don't know. That thing's been following me

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Speaker 1: since I was a kid, And I was just like, what,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I had to go grab something and

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Speaker 1: from my room I was staying at my friend's house.

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Speaker 1: How to grab something from the attic second floor room,

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Speaker 1: only to be met with this thing blocking my way

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Speaker 1: out of the room. So, I mean, just it's such

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Speaker 1: a weird thing to express the people that you feel

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Speaker 1: that something is wanting to kill you, to rip your

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Speaker 1: life from you. And I just closed my eyes, saying

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Speaker 1: a prayer and walked right through it and made it

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Speaker 1: out of that room, and that began my introduction to

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Speaker 1: shadow people. Would you say that most of the shadow

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Speaker 1: people that people witness are evil or dangerous? I would

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Speaker 1: say one hundred percent. I mean I get some people

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Speaker 1: that are just like, oh, I think especially hat Man

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Speaker 1: he's my guardian. I like, I've gotten a handful of

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Speaker 1: those reports and I'm starting to see a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of that. But I'm like, what makes you think that? Well,

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Speaker 1: because he doesn't gare me and he just watches over me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, but eventually it comes to

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Speaker 1: if I get if I get the person far enough along,

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Speaker 1: or they write me back, they're like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: thought he was a guardian, and then it became this.

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Speaker 1: He became threatening, He became intimidating and talking and yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I mean it's as if he's gauging how close

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Speaker 1: it's I don't I wouldn't trust I wouldn't trust the

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Speaker 1: hat Man. Anything black and shadowy with red eyes. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, George, that doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

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Speaker 1: How about you? Now, what is the difference between hat

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Speaker 1: Man and shadow Man. You know, I had I come

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Speaker 1: on your show several times, thank you George, and oh good, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd come on and I described hat Man as being

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Speaker 1: seen him. My college roommate seen him, and we had

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Speaker 1: to categorize him. And then my email started changing from

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Speaker 1: this man wears a suit, he sits on my bed,

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Speaker 1: he talks. Sometimes he's clean shaven, sometimes he's got a goatee,

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Speaker 1: And you know, shadow people they're kind of whispy and

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Speaker 1: directing the other shadow entities in the room. If there

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Speaker 1: I really do believe so. Um you know, gosh, when

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Speaker 1: emails that I'm getting in the stories that I hear

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Speaker 1: people saying he reached into my chest and he pulled

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Speaker 1: Sometimes he's flying them somewhere, and I mean it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's after they're souls. And it's getting worse. George just

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Speaker 1: getting to the point that I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: that we're ever to lose this battle, you know, but

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Speaker 1: that it's not just a possibility, it's a threat. He

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Speaker 1: is looking, he is coming. It's a crazy thing to say,

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Speaker 1: But where did the boogeyman talk ever come? I think

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Speaker 1: it came from this guy what summons them up? The

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Speaker 1: them pop up? You know, I'm thinking, honestly, there's a

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Speaker 1: definite connection to aliens. If somebody's been abducted, have a

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Speaker 1: know some people, I always say, you know thyself, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, Um, it's a it's a good way to decide, Oh,

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Speaker 1: what side of sense do I sit on? Well, let's

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Speaker 1: say here, Um, you know if even know you're bit

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Speaker 1: rotten on the inside. Yeah, yeah, these things might make

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Speaker 1: finding more often than not, though, George, this is just

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Speaker 1: this is even more disturbing that the people that are

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Speaker 1: may just be brighter than the next person, and they

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Speaker 1: want to stomp off that light. They want to control

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Speaker 1: it's like they may be very empathic. They might have

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Speaker 1: And my goodness, if a person in a crowd can

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Speaker 1: always thought that, for example, shadow people may have come

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Speaker 1: People wonder what's the common thread when it comes to

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Speaker 1: he's just going to keep building this enslaved army. What

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Speaker 1: conjuring them up, I mean some people are directly doing

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Speaker 1: like a portal of negative gunk gets opened up and

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Speaker 1: Why is that? What's the hat man saying to you

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Speaker 1: when he's there, And it's just like I think he's

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Speaker 1: And oh my gosh, George, I've been getting reports now

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Speaker 1: show me you're dedicated to my cause. And what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: this is how you reap souls like this, this is

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Speaker 1: what he's telling these people. Now I didn't get to

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Speaker 1: And then it's then it's another you know, hey, I

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Speaker 1: I always ask what he comes to people's doors? Oh

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? I am? Okay, I really am. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's winning these souls over. He's convinced them to do

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Speaker 1: he said, different height. It's not him every time anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Hatman has to run around as much

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Speaker 1: is it the same? Is the Hatman just one entity

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, maybe they're somehow related to an elemental

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think of like our souls being able

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Speaker 1: But then we don't need these bodies to get around

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