WEBVTT - TRUMP DOUBLES DOWN WITH DISTURBING MAKE-OUT IMAGE - 4.16.26

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump appropriates the image of Jesus Christ again. This time

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<v Speaker 1>it is not him pretending to be Jesus, it's him.

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<v Speaker 1>How does one phrase something like this? It looks in

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<v Speaker 1>this image like Trump is about to make out with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, none of the components here would constitute my

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<v Speaker 1>areas of expertise. But Jesus is clearly fondling Trump's chef,

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump's eyes are closed in ecstasy. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's religious ecstasy. Hey watch where you put your

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<v Speaker 1>hands Jesus as Americans ranging from atheists to papists to

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus impersonators recoil. Trump put this out just three days

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<v Speaker 1>after his image of himself as Jesus or is doctor Jesus?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is doctor Johnny Jesus or whatever he claimed it was.

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<v Speaker 1>The radical left lunatics might not like this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's quite nice, he wrote. Apart from the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you are seeing how Trump's life of rationalization works,

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<v Speaker 1>his existence fits the psychological phenomenon known as no true Scotsman.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not trivial. This is not something that just

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<v Speaker 1>pisss off a couple of religious nuts, It pisss off

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing variety of Americans on a visceral level, somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>approximating that of Trump, having insulted each of their mothers individually. Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>though reflexively tells himself his supporters get it, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course anybody who doesn't get it is a lunatic, so

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a supporter, so doesn't count. So he has one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent support. How does he sleep at night? You ask?

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<v Speaker 1>That's how? In point of fact, if we accept the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Trump's cult, his beneficiaries, his enablers, his junta,

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<v Speaker 1>have long since come to terms with the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care if he's crazy, they don't care if

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<v Speaker 1>he's evil, They don't care if every moment he is

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<v Speaker 1>in power threatens the life of everybody and every animal

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<v Speaker 1>and every plant on the planet, including them. So long

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<v Speaker 1>as the power and the money keep on rolling in,

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<v Speaker 1>we are, from their point of view, watching something worse

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<v Speaker 1>than all of that end of the world. So what

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<v Speaker 1>there's the rapture? This threatens the power and the money now, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>because it touches something that his dwindling base is enslaved

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<v Speaker 1>to that entire spectrum running from deeply considered belief at

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<v Speaker 1>the one end and then superstition and fear on the

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<v Speaker 1>other end. I mean, this is so bad that after

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<v Speaker 1>the first one, even Speaker Mike Johnson, who is Speaker

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnson rather than ex Speaker Mike Johnson, because he

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<v Speaker 1>is capable of greeting any evidence of Trump's brain turning

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<v Speaker 1>to tapioca by saying, I didn't see it, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>hear I didn't read it, I didn't smell it, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't taste it. I didn't put my hands on its chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Mike Johnson has noticed the Jesus stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker Johnson asked you at the Presidence, and how Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talked with the President about it, as says, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it and told him.

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<v Speaker 3>That I don't think it was being received in the

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<v Speaker 3>same way he intended, as he agreed, and he pulled

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<v Speaker 3>it down.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the very thing. He explained how he saw that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think he thought it was sacrilegious at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think he should have to?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he respect to other facts.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Mike, what about this new one with him and

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus and the chest rub no comment. There is no

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<v Speaker 1>question that the Iran war, the Epstein files, the economy,

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<v Speaker 1>half a dozen other crises are causing Republican support to

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<v Speaker 1>bleed out as the midterms approach. But if they do

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<v Speaker 1>lose the House, especially if they lose the Senate, and

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Schumer, not a reliable source, but certainly not a

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<v Speaker 1>wild eyed one, said yesterday he thinks the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>going to take the Senate this year. I guess he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to resign and put somebody else in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign. But he thinks the Democrats are going to

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<v Speaker 1>win the Senate in the midterms. And if the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>lose the House at especially the Senate, depending on your viewpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>either thank Jesus or blame Jesus, but not the Pope.

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<v Speaker 1>The Republicans are in fact enjoying Trump doubling down on

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<v Speaker 1>that part of this equation. Will someone please tell the Pope?

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote, then his tired line about Iran killing protesters,

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<v Speaker 1>the protesters Trump said he would protect and then didn't

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<v Speaker 1>protect them, and saying all this is if Trump doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have protesters killed here, but about the Pope. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>like me, spiritual, but you think all religions are wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe their leaders are a step down from telemarketers.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to stand back and try to understand this.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to look at it carefully and understand. This

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<v Speaker 1>is as if three quarters of the world's population identified

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<v Speaker 1>as firm fundamental believers in and to some degree is

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<v Speaker 1>having based important decisions in their own lives, including how

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<v Speaker 1>they live, who they marry, who they vote for, who

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<v Speaker 1>they will comfort, who they will kill, based on which

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel Entertainment French they like best. These are not Marvel

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<v Speaker 1>Comics fans who have preferences and sort of chuckled at

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<v Speaker 1>the other guys like the other ones. These are Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man fans who in their heart want to see all

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<v Speaker 1>the Avengers fans dead. The Pope is the Pope Catholic?

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<v Speaker 1>Why yes, yes he is. Is Mike Johnson Catholic? Why no,

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<v Speaker 1>No he's not. He's a leader in the Baptist Church.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Trump's base Catholic?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Almost, not at all. Would Trump's space actually have supported

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<v Speaker 1>John F. Kennedy, a Catholic for president alive or as

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<v Speaker 1>a reincarnated Catholic. No, no, of course not. Is Congressman

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Nell's Catholic. No, no, and I really would find

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<v Speaker 1>it hard to believe he's religious at all, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not Catholic.

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<v Speaker 4>Not after this, I've obviously the Pope needs to keep

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<v Speaker 4>his business into leading his so to speak, leading the church,

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<v Speaker 4>and probably stay out of the political arena. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>need to be getting involved in the political arena. Go

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<v Speaker 4>lead your church, but stay out of the politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Right elect it.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't elect the Pope to be the president or

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<v Speaker 4>be anything else. So just keep his nose in the

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<v Speaker 4>church's business and stay out of the political arena.

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<v Speaker 1>This is nothing new. Obviously, MAGA views Pope Leo as

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<v Speaker 1>just another impediment, in large part because right wing governments

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<v Speaker 1>have been attacking the Catholic Church since King Henry the Eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>often with great reason. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, I don't care, especially although I have

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<v Speaker 1>been told that in the nineties the Pope used to

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<v Speaker 1>watch me on SportsCenter, and of course, to borrow from

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<v Speaker 1>the other legendary Chicago White Sox fan besides the Pope,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeene Shepherd the o tour of a Christmas story, I

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<v Speaker 1>will tend to listen to a white Sox fan more

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<v Speaker 1>than any other human and about eternity and suffering, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as shep wrote, if I were going to storm a pillbox,

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<v Speaker 1>going to shear utter certain death, and the colonel said,

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<v Speaker 1>Shepherd picked six guys, I'd pick six white Sox fans

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<v Speaker 1>because they have known death every day of their lives

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<v Speaker 1>and it holds no terror for them. That's your Pope.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with the strutting of clowns like Troy Nells,

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<v Speaker 1>who took the cigar out of his mouth briefly to

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<v Speaker 1>give those comments is when they try to expand, as

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<v Speaker 1>Nils did, their potshots at one religion, which I can

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<v Speaker 1>support in principle, into some kind of dictum against going

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<v Speaker 1>into the political lane by all Bible thumpers. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>religionists can't talk about politics, that means no support for

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<v Speaker 1>Trump from Franklin Graham or from the crazy White House

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<v Speaker 1>advisor PAULA White, or from you know, any megachurch or

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<v Speaker 1>evangelic or that whole crowd that cheered as Trump said

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<v Speaker 1>he was eliminating the Johnson rule and now pastors could

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<v Speaker 1>campaign for him from the pulpit, or any of the

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<v Speaker 1>End Time's clowns or any of the dozens of active

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans who have insisted in the last two months, we

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<v Speaker 1>are in Iran because Israel is owned biblical support. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, explain that the Pope has no right to

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<v Speaker 1>talk politics, and you wipe out virtually the entire rationale

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<v Speaker 1>for supporting Israel as it is understood by Trump's own cult,

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<v Speaker 1>because Israel to them is only one thing. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>means towards the rapture, which some days I sit around

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<v Speaker 1>thinking the rapture can't happen soon enough. The other question

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<v Speaker 1>raised by Trump's continuing fights with the Pope and Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>is simply how many wars can Trump start and handle

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, War against the Pope, war against Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>war against reality. The last two have become the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he again insists he is blockading the Strait of Hormoz,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Navy is clearly not blockading the Strait of

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<v Speaker 1>horm moves the Navy is blockading the ports of Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't tell the difference. Many of the ships from

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<v Speaker 1>the ports of Iran would go through the Strait of Hormuz,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not a blockade of the Strait of Horror moves.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump does not understand this. It's too much trouble for him.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably also doesn't understand when Iran comes back as

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<v Speaker 1>it did yesterday, to say, it will now raise the

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<v Speaker 1>ante and if Trump doesn't down from the blockade, he

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<v Speaker 1>literally couldn't tell where it is from his assor's elbow.

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<v Speaker 1>It will now attack and block shipping in the Red Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't worry about that, explains Scott Besant, adjusting his

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<v Speaker 1>glasses for the four millionth time and making sure his

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<v Speaker 1>head doesn't fall off. Gas will be back under four

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a gallon in the summer, the summer which was

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<v Speaker 1>when it was supposed to be under two dollars a

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<v Speaker 1>gallon before Trump's plans were screwed up by that evil trader,

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<v Speaker 1>checks notes Trump. It's just too bad Trump's brain did

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<v Speaker 1>not live long enough to see any of this. These

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<v Speaker 1>quotes are from the transcript of Maria Bartiromo's interview with

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<v Speaker 1>him yesterday. I just can't play clips of Maria Bartiromo.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I can legally. I just can't listen

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<v Speaker 1>to that voice. She says about the war. You keep saying,

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<v Speaker 1>what was is this war over? Trump says, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's close to over. Yeah, he's previously said it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>I view it as very close over. If I pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up stakes right now, it would take them twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>to rebuild that country. We're not finished. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they want to make a deal. He has

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<v Speaker 1>no concept that there is anything to a war besides

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<v Speaker 1>blowing stuff up. Second topic, Bartaromo, did you see that

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<v Speaker 1>Britain suffered the biggest growth forecast downgrade in the G seven,

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<v Speaker 1>so their economy is impacted. Trump's answer, they got to

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<v Speaker 1>stop with the windmills. No, true, Scotsman, Bartiomo. Moving to

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<v Speaker 1>domestic issues. What are your top priorities now for the

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<v Speaker 1>economy for the rest of the year. Trump, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>we are doing so well. You look at this. I

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<v Speaker 1>hit the fifty thousand dow mark. Look at me. I

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<v Speaker 1>made poopy in the potty trainer, mommy. Trump really is

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<v Speaker 1>fighting reality now, not just avoiding it. He again insists

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<v Speaker 1>he's already beaten Iran, while insisting there will be ceasefire

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<v Speaker 1>talks again minutely, or at least talks about starting new

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<v Speaker 1>talks or I wonder if Trump is even being told

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<v Speaker 1>how bad it is going for America, in the Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>right now and in the world generally. Or is this

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<v Speaker 1>like Germany nineteen forty two, where citizens and many government

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<v Speaker 1>officials were actually told don't worry about it. The Luftwaffe

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<v Speaker 1>has already totally destroyed New York City. There are lots

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<v Speaker 1>of things in history. I don't know. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>fun things about history is finding out those things. But

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<v Speaker 1>it still startles me when I read something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>This was in the in house magazine of NBC. The

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<v Speaker 1>transmitter was just radio then from January nineteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and I tripped over this doing some other online research

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<v Speaker 1>the other day. Quoting it, German prisoners transported to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States express amazement that New York Skyline remains intact.

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<v Speaker 1>Say they heard broadcasts describing how their planes had smashed

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<v Speaker 1>our skyscrapers to rubble. There's just a sample of how

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<v Speaker 1>our enemies use the radio to delude their own people.

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<v Speaker 1>Put into practice Hitler's despicable theory that if lies are

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<v Speaker 1>big enough, everyone will believe them. Make a Nazi perversion

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<v Speaker 1>of an invention that is one of the world's greatest

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<v Speaker 1>sources of good. One quote, NBC nineteen forty three apart

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<v Speaker 1>from the fact that what you heard described in there

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<v Speaker 1>is the America that much of MAGA wants to see

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<v Speaker 1>in our future. And I mean I often get the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that given enough time FCC Chairman Brendan Carr, even

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<v Speaker 1>from that influential but pretty dry office, even Brendan Carr,

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<v Speaker 1>will somehow commit war crimes someday. I keep thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>our present day version of the astonished German POWs finding

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<v Speaker 1>out Goebbels was lying is Trump. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>takes much effort to convince him not to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the bad news you don't want to tell him, But

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<v Speaker 1>I think they don't tell him like the bad news

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<v Speaker 1>about how it's going abroad, where the newly elected leader

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<v Speaker 1>of Hungary, mad gr Pater Peter Magir if you prefer,

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<v Speaker 1>just announced his government will not continue Victor orbn's policy

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<v Speaker 1>of funding Seapack. The what now Hungary was funding Seapack?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait wait wait wait. As my old colleague Juliet

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<v Speaker 1>Kayam noted, Trump directed aid to Hungary, then Hungary sent

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<v Speaker 1>money to Seapack. So is this a story of Trump

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<v Speaker 1>washing taxpayer money and illegally contributing it to his own

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<v Speaker 1>campaign if anybody would like to look at that, or

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<v Speaker 1>talking about foreign bad news, the whole Pope thing. Guess

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<v Speaker 1>where that's not going down? Well, Italy, you know where

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<v Speaker 1>the Vatican is. We're an Italian reporter called Trump Trump

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<v Speaker 1>who was apparently listed in the Yellow Pages under both

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<v Speaker 1>despot and crackpot, and he got Trump to trash the

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<v Speaker 1>Pope and Georgia Maloney, Or how it's going in England,

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<v Speaker 1>where a Prime Minister Starmer once again yesterday insisted the

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<v Speaker 1>UK will not get involved in Trump's war in Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ed Davey, who is the leader of the Liberal Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>who may be the third most influential party right now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the second. What with the Conservatives melting trying to

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<v Speaker 1>coalesce an all party move to convince King Charles not

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<v Speaker 1>to make his scheduled state visit here, the King of

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<v Speaker 1>England not to show up for the two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary of this country.

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<v Speaker 5>A whole civilization will die tonight. Words I never thought

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<v Speaker 5>I would hear from an American president, And though Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump thankfully didn't follow through this time, these words are

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<v Speaker 5>a start reminder of how reckless, immoral, and completely outside

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<v Speaker 5>the bounds of international law. This president is, regrettably he

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<v Speaker 5>is no friend of the United Kingdom. He's no leader

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<v Speaker 5>of the free world. He is a dangerous and corrupt gangster,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is how we must treat him. So will

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<v Speaker 5>the Prime Minister advise the King to cool off his

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<v Speaker 5>state visits to Washington before it's too late, because I

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<v Speaker 5>really fear for what Trump might say or do while

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<v Speaker 5>our king is forced to stand by his side. We

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<v Speaker 5>cannot put his majesty in that position.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that really is the correct play for the King.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, among other things that are calm now

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<v Speaker 1>but will blow up when Charles gets here. He won't

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<v Speaker 1>be meeting with Epstein survivors, which is just that bad.

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<v Speaker 1>As bad a plan as you could consider very unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 1>as the most significant world figure implicated in the Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>files just happens to be the King's brother. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that may come up and closer to home. There are

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<v Speaker 1>problems here too that Trump probably doesn't know about. One

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<v Speaker 1>group of Democrats in the House is gathering steam for

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<v Speaker 1>an impeachment bill, which will not succeed for another nine months.

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<v Speaker 1>It won't, and a second group is gathering steam for

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<v Speaker 1>a bill demanding that the Trump cabinet invoke the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifth Amendment to depose Trump, which would take us to

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<v Speaker 1>truly novel constitutional areas. But what the hell, We're already

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<v Speaker 1>in them. And of course then the blowback against Trump

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<v Speaker 1>takes us back to finish where we began with religion

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<v Speaker 1>in America. Have you heard the name Joel Webbin. Joel

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<v Speaker 1>Webbin is one of those bearded evangelicals without whom Trump

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<v Speaker 1>drives up and blows away the good news on the

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<v Speaker 1>evangelical front from Trump. Webin, president and founder of Right

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<v Speaker 1>Response Ministries, Senior pastor of the Covenant Bible Church, and

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<v Speaker 1>consultant to the First Church of the Gooey Death Now

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<v Speaker 1>has asked this rhetorical question. Joel Webbin asks, is Trump

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<v Speaker 1>the Antichrist? He's answered it, No, no biblical definitions. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is not the Antichrist. Congratulations, mister President, You're not the Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 1>The bad news for Trump, Joel Webbin does say, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I genuinely believe Trump is currently demon possessed. Now at

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<v Speaker 1>least that would explain him making out with Jesus. All

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<v Speaker 1>se of interest here, you know, in the good old days,

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<v Speaker 1>when I tried to warn everybody about Fox News. Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News at least did big things like Billo once asking

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<v Speaker 1>John McCain what he was going to do to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the white power structure in this country. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>words the O'Reilly used. Now O'Reilly's time slot successor is

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with when the appropriate point in time is to

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<v Speaker 1>whip it out. I swear, I swear he said whip

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<v Speaker 1>it out, and that's what he meant on Fox. And

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<v Speaker 1>he said it to your crazy maga grandma. That's next.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Countdown. This is Countdown with Keith Olberman still ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>On this all new edition of Countdown. I promised you

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<v Speaker 1>a story a few weeks back about the finest French

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant in Washington, DC, and I'm gonna tell it as

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<v Speaker 1>it was told to me by the alleged recipient. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a candlelight meal, there was an aspiring reporter, there

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<v Speaker 1>was Ted Turner still in his drinking days, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a really effective slap next in another thing I

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<v Speaker 1>promised not to tell. In the interim, we always have

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<v Speaker 1>more new idiots to talk about. The roundup of the miscreants,

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<v Speaker 1>morons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who constitute today's other

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<v Speaker 1>worst persons in the world. This edition is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Rose Halligan, a self proclaimed digital creator, for her

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<v Speaker 1>threads bio, and she says she's working on a thesis

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<v Speaker 1>on anti colonialism, which as a society we should encourage

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a much bigger problem today, let alone

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<v Speaker 1>through history, than most people acknowledge. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>as Marcus Aurelius observed, you are always entitled to not

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<v Speaker 1>have an opinion on something. This was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>occasions where she should have listened to the old Roman

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<v Speaker 1>emperor and colonizer. This was after the Artemis mission. And

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<v Speaker 1>I quote miss Halligan and clean it up just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, so I'm not trying to knock the gesture here,

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<v Speaker 1>she writes, I get the sentiment. I feel for the

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<v Speaker 1>astronaut who lost his wife, as it was devastating to

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<v Speaker 1>lose my father in law who I loved very much

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<v Speaker 1>to gleoblastoma suddenly in twenty twenty three. But four astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>deciding to name a spot on the efing Moon after

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<v Speaker 1>one guy's wife, while the other eight billion of us

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<v Speaker 1>down here have no input on naming s word on

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<v Speaker 1>the efing Moon still feels like colonizer behavior to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and she concluded, I don't care if one of them

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<v Speaker 1>was a black dude, the one saving grace on that

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<v Speaker 1>that last line that sounds really racist. No, she's an

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<v Speaker 1>African American. The rest of it. Okay, let me just

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<v Speaker 1>do some numbers here. There are two million craters on

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<v Speaker 1>the Moon. One point three million craters have been mapped.

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<v Speaker 1>The total number that have been named, like for the

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<v Speaker 1>late Carol Weisman, the late wife of the astronaut, the

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<v Speaker 1>total number of named craters out of two million is

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand and three. Apart from the idea that if

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<v Speaker 1>this is colonizing behavior, it's not going very well for

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<v Speaker 1>the colonizers, exactly how far do you want to take this, madam?

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<v Speaker 1>If you buy one of those thirty five dollars certificates

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<v Speaker 1>naming a star after your girlfriend and you give it

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<v Speaker 1>to her for Christmas, are you colonizing one of the

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<v Speaker 1>oh infinity stars in the oh infinite galaxy. Moreover, when

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<v Speaker 1>the first human looked up and saw it up there

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<v Speaker 1>there was no sign on the moon reading this is

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<v Speaker 1>the moon. We humans named it the moon, and in

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<v Speaker 1>several other languages it's other words that mean that and

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<v Speaker 1>collectively we consider it our moon, Earth's moon, like the

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<v Speaker 1>two moons going around Mars are Mars's moons. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>colonizing it? Or should we let the moon name itself?

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Halligan tried to answer everybody, pointing out that no,

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<v Speaker 1>she is trying to knock the gesture here despite what

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote, and no she doesn't feel for the astronaut,

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<v Speaker 1>and that yes, anti colonialism is important. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>see it in a guy naming basically a large pothole

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<v Speaker 1>on the moon after his dead wife, if you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's colonizing, you may urgently need to see a therapist.

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<v Speaker 1>And whatever you do, do not call that person your

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<v Speaker 1>therapist colonizing because they named a hole in the moon

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<v Speaker 1>after the man's late life. Anyway, the metallists the worst

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<v Speaker 1>bronze clavicular. If like me, you heard that name but

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what that is. This is a college dropout

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years old, learning challenged, takes excessive amounts of testosterone.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently hits his bone with bones with a hammer to

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<v Speaker 1>recreate his face or something so he thinks he looks better,

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<v Speaker 1>attaches the suffix max to everything he looks maxed, so

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<v Speaker 1>he's dumb Maxed and hammer maxed, and in an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with sixty Minutes Australia, he had a canned insult ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the interviewer and it blew up in his face Maxed.

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<v Speaker 1>So the only thing Maxed he could think to do

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<v Speaker 1>after that was walk out Maxed of the interview. Maxed.

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<v Speaker 3>You've obviously shared company with Andrew tight and now the

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<v Speaker 3>dare I say, ratic controversial figures?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you spend time with pay for lock that?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Have an I say, are you trying to? I see

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<v Speaker 3>you want to make this uh political?

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<v Speaker 1>Too bad?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have time to look into you know anything

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<v Speaker 3>about potentially uh you know who's who your wife cheated with?

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<v Speaker 3>But don't try to go down that line of questioning

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<v Speaker 3>uh with me?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, because I'm not doing any political I'm not married.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time, Clavical, just try your mom. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Clavicular's real name is Brayden and he's from Hoboken, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>So what he's maxed actually is he's loser Maxed. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Braden the runner up worser and the Oguls, the congressman

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<v Speaker 1>who introduced the Assimilation Act a week or so ago

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent nearly all immigration to this country, promising that

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<v Speaker 1>then i'm Erica would look like America again, even though

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<v Speaker 1>Andy o Ogels looks kind of vaguely foreign, maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little of Iranian, let me say. Anyway, Congressman Crazy is

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<v Speaker 1>back with a new proposal that suggests maybe Congress isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the right group for him to belong to. He might

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<v Speaker 1>have been better off being in charge of the Monday

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<v Speaker 1>matine at the Roman Colisseum. He tried to back out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Eric Swalwell part of this. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he really managed to do it too well.

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<v Speaker 6>The allegations of rape are like, consending adults is one thing,

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<v Speaker 6>but when you're targeting and you're a predator and you're

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<v Speaker 6>raping young women, let's hang them. Rapist should be hung, period,

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<v Speaker 6>no questions. And so now I'm not I don't want

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<v Speaker 6>to secret surface to come. I'm not talking about Eric Swalwell.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not threatening a member of Congress. But the point

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<v Speaker 6>is that we got to say enough is enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, So Congressman ogles, if it's not about Swalwell, are

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<v Speaker 1>you saying President Trump should be hanged? And yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's hanged, not hung, paintings are hung, Impeachment notices are hung.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanted posters for corrupt or crazy congressmen are hung in

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<v Speaker 1>the post office. People who you hang get hanged. Imbecile, sadistic, crazy, imbecile.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Ogles who kind of looks kind of Iranian,

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, but the winner the worst, same topic, the

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<v Speaker 1>same topic as Eric Swalwell, and the winner is little

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Waters, host of a Fox primetime show and co

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<v Speaker 1>host of its highest rated show, which is now on

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<v Speaker 1>at five o'clock because most Fox viewers are now so

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<v Speaker 1>old they cannot stay up for primetime even a little.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just coming back from dinner at five o'clock. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to bed at seven forty five. There for Fox

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<v Speaker 1>is officially out of new people to host their propaganda shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lineup is almost embarrassing. Now Sean Hannity, so

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<v Speaker 1>it is embarrassing, but the rest of the lineup is

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<v Speaker 1>almost embarrassing. Jesse is profoundly simple, and at Fox this

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<v Speaker 1>is a prize commodity because it is the simple people

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<v Speaker 1>who desperately need to be on TV and will do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to be on TV, who do not have to

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<v Speaker 1>be told what to say by their brainwashing bosses. They

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<v Speaker 1>look for things that they know will please their bosses,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jesse found something that will rile up his boss

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<v Speaker 1>and his audience on the five those ninety seven year

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<v Speaker 1>old women watching him. I quote about Swallowell quote don't

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<v Speaker 1>just whip it out. As an aside, Yes, this was

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<v Speaker 1>on TV at five in the afternoon. Quote don't just

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<v Speaker 1>whip it out. Allegedly he was just whipping it out

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<v Speaker 1>in a car and broad daylight in front of the intern.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the moment you do it. It has to

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<v Speaker 1>be done in the moment of maybe some passion. With

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<v Speaker 1>the co host Dana Perino, realizing that Waters was now

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<v Speaker 1>about to damage the eternal Fox damnation of Bill Clinton

0:30:24.595 --> 0:30:30.075
<v Speaker 1>rule one of Fox Dialogue, she interrupted with never within intern.

0:30:31.035 --> 0:30:36.035
<v Speaker 1>Waters then parrotied, never with an intern. But he's giving

0:30:36.035 --> 0:30:40.155
<v Speaker 1>advice about when to whip it out. So, if you're

0:30:40.155 --> 0:30:42.315
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what this was all about, what

0:30:42.355 --> 0:30:46.515
<v Speaker 1>the whole Jesse Waters Stephen Miller is a sexual matador

0:30:46.635 --> 0:30:49.835
<v Speaker 1>thing was all about? What all the other Jesse Waters

0:30:49.875 --> 0:30:55.395
<v Speaker 1>inappropriate and amazingly unattractive attempts at the Big Sexy are about.

0:30:55.795 --> 0:31:01.075
<v Speaker 1>I can't explain Jesse Waters worked at Fox News for

0:31:01.115 --> 0:31:06.835
<v Speaker 1>a decade for Bill O'Reilly Jesse, right, you are, mister

0:31:06.915 --> 0:31:27.835
<v Speaker 1>Mayhoffer Waters two Day's other worse person in the In

0:31:27.995 --> 0:31:31.875
<v Speaker 1>Monday's episode, I told the story of Senator Chris Murphy

0:31:31.955 --> 0:31:36.875
<v Speaker 1>of Connecticut reportedly meeting with a bunch of progressive donors

0:31:36.955 --> 0:31:41.395
<v Speaker 1>or activists at a French restaurant in Georgetown in Washington,

0:31:41.475 --> 0:31:44.635
<v Speaker 1>d C. To discuss what they thought was advancing their

0:31:44.675 --> 0:31:47.955
<v Speaker 1>agenda and what he thought was an update for them

0:31:48.195 --> 0:31:51.395
<v Speaker 1>on efforts to remove Chuck Schumer as the minority leader.

0:31:51.435 --> 0:31:55.715
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, please, I told that story and there it

0:31:55.755 --> 0:31:58.035
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem to be an update on it, and we're

0:31:58.075 --> 0:32:02.155
<v Speaker 1>still stuck apparently with Schumer through the midterms. But the

0:32:02.275 --> 0:32:06.235
<v Speaker 1>whole story about where this happened, the venue, the Georgetown

0:32:06.395 --> 0:32:11.155
<v Speaker 1>French restaurant, struck a chord with me and a memory

0:32:11.315 --> 0:32:13.995
<v Speaker 1>deep in the back of my mind that is forty

0:32:14.195 --> 0:32:17.635
<v Speaker 1>three years old, and for your purposes I think will

0:32:17.675 --> 0:32:21.235
<v Speaker 1>have been worth the weight to the number one story

0:32:21.275 --> 0:32:25.395
<v Speaker 1>on the countdown and the punchline. Yes, she hit him,

0:32:25.715 --> 0:32:29.715
<v Speaker 1>but no, he didn't fall out of the chair. I

0:32:29.755 --> 0:32:32.755
<v Speaker 1>have given you the punchline to the story. The climax

0:32:32.795 --> 0:32:35.955
<v Speaker 1>of this entire saga. I am about to relate because

0:32:36.035 --> 0:32:40.075
<v Speaker 1>I cannot in good conscience mention the name of the

0:32:40.115 --> 0:32:43.635
<v Speaker 1>woman who told me that and the woman it happened to,

0:32:44.315 --> 0:32:46.835
<v Speaker 1>the woman who hit him. But no, he didn't fall

0:32:46.875 --> 0:32:50.155
<v Speaker 1>out of the chair. I will tell you that the

0:32:50.195 --> 0:32:52.115
<v Speaker 1>guy who did not fall out of the chair, who

0:32:52.275 --> 0:32:57.635
<v Speaker 1>she hit, was named Ted Turner. This is from nineteen

0:32:58.035 --> 0:33:01.435
<v Speaker 1>I think eighty three or late nineteen eighty two, possibly

0:33:02.355 --> 0:33:05.795
<v Speaker 1>in the early days of my first name in television

0:33:05.915 --> 0:33:09.475
<v Speaker 1>with CNN, working for Ted Turner, when nobody but nobody

0:33:09.515 --> 0:33:12.355
<v Speaker 1>knew who CNN was. And in fact, if you went

0:33:12.395 --> 0:33:16.395
<v Speaker 1>into Washington, there were only three places in which CNN

0:33:16.555 --> 0:33:20.915
<v Speaker 1>was visible. The Holiday Inn in Georgetown, which was next

0:33:20.955 --> 0:33:25.635
<v Speaker 1>to the CNN bureau, in which we all stayed those

0:33:25.635 --> 0:33:28.315
<v Speaker 1>of us who were not living in Washington working for CNN,

0:33:28.955 --> 0:33:33.235
<v Speaker 1>the CNN offices themselves, and a bar down the street

0:33:33.275 --> 0:33:36.235
<v Speaker 1>which was next to a graveyard across the street from

0:33:36.275 --> 0:33:40.195
<v Speaker 1>the CNN headquarters at the time on Wisconsin Avenue, I

0:33:40.235 --> 0:33:44.075
<v Speaker 1>believe it was. And then the third place was the Pentagon,

0:33:44.195 --> 0:33:46.875
<v Speaker 1>where they used it because this was the first time

0:33:46.915 --> 0:33:50.035
<v Speaker 1>they could see things live from Europe. And other places,

0:33:50.075 --> 0:33:53.275
<v Speaker 1>because Ted spent money to his credit like it was

0:33:53.315 --> 0:33:55.955
<v Speaker 1>going out of style, and like he knew that the

0:33:55.995 --> 0:33:59.475
<v Speaker 1>news business was going to be immensely profitable someday, and

0:33:59.635 --> 0:34:02.075
<v Speaker 1>it didn't matter how much he spent. The rest of

0:34:02.155 --> 0:34:04.795
<v Speaker 1>us we were all terrified because he didn't pay us anything.

0:34:04.795 --> 0:34:08.995
<v Speaker 1>And I was convinced that someday, with those meager checks,

0:34:08.995 --> 0:34:12.635
<v Speaker 1>and with the seventy eighty one hundred million dollars a

0:34:12.755 --> 0:34:15.955
<v Speaker 1>year he would add to his debt for CNN, we

0:34:16.075 --> 0:34:19.835
<v Speaker 1>would somehow become individually responsible for part of that debt

0:34:19.875 --> 0:34:23.875
<v Speaker 1>simply by endorsing our paychecks. It wasn't a fear based

0:34:23.915 --> 0:34:26.635
<v Speaker 1>in fact, just paranoia, and in fact, if we were

0:34:26.715 --> 0:34:30.155
<v Speaker 1>charged what we were being paid, well. I took a

0:34:30.235 --> 0:34:33.195
<v Speaker 1>one third pay cut from part time work in radio

0:34:33.235 --> 0:34:35.315
<v Speaker 1>to go work for CNN in nineteen eighty two, so

0:34:35.355 --> 0:34:38.155
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't all that much to begin with. I literally

0:34:38.235 --> 0:34:40.955
<v Speaker 1>had to bargain with them for five hours to get

0:34:40.955 --> 0:34:43.355
<v Speaker 1>them to pay me twenty six thousand dollars a year

0:34:43.395 --> 0:34:46.675
<v Speaker 1>to be the national sports correspondent based in New York,

0:34:47.075 --> 0:34:51.315
<v Speaker 1>rather than twenty five thousand dollars. When they were paying me,

0:34:51.595 --> 0:34:54.395
<v Speaker 1>I should add five hundred dollars a week freelance, which

0:34:54.435 --> 0:34:56.715
<v Speaker 1>added up to twenty six thousand dollars. And then they

0:34:56.755 --> 0:34:59.275
<v Speaker 1>offered me twenty five thousand dollars in a contract, and

0:34:59.355 --> 0:35:01.635
<v Speaker 1>I said, why would I do that? And they said, well,

0:35:01.715 --> 0:35:04.275
<v Speaker 1>again a contract, and I said, I don't want a contract.

0:35:04.315 --> 0:35:06.675
<v Speaker 1>I want the one thousand dollars. Oh, I don't you

0:35:06.715 --> 0:35:09.235
<v Speaker 1>want the security? I said, what security? This is CNN?

0:35:09.355 --> 0:35:10.755
<v Speaker 1>How do I know you're going to be in business

0:35:10.795 --> 0:35:16.835
<v Speaker 1>next year? Anyway, So forty odd years later, my prediction

0:35:16.875 --> 0:35:17.955
<v Speaker 1>about how do I know you're going to be in

0:35:17.995 --> 0:35:22.315
<v Speaker 1>business next year is finally coming true. Perhaps, but I

0:35:22.355 --> 0:35:25.555
<v Speaker 1>have strayed from this wonderful story of yes she hit him,

0:35:25.555 --> 0:35:28.315
<v Speaker 1>but no, he didn't fall out of the chair. I

0:35:28.355 --> 0:35:30.715
<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time in the Washington Bureau in

0:35:30.795 --> 0:35:33.795
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty three. In fact, I

0:35:33.835 --> 0:35:35.915
<v Speaker 1>think I totaled it up, and it was something like

0:35:36.035 --> 0:35:39.475
<v Speaker 1>over those two years, five or six months, usually a

0:35:39.555 --> 0:35:42.915
<v Speaker 1>week or so at a time, going down to Washington

0:35:42.955 --> 0:35:45.475
<v Speaker 1>and living in the Holiday Inn and getting to know

0:35:45.795 --> 0:35:49.275
<v Speaker 1>a really nice and very talented group of people, many

0:35:49.355 --> 0:35:52.475
<v Speaker 1>of whom went into the producers, that is, went into

0:35:52.555 --> 0:35:57.875
<v Speaker 1>anchor jobs around the world, around the state, around California,

0:35:57.915 --> 0:36:01.835
<v Speaker 1>around this country, and had brilliant successes in their futures.

0:36:02.235 --> 0:36:04.715
<v Speaker 1>I worked with some of the more interesting people and

0:36:04.715 --> 0:36:07.275
<v Speaker 1>and in fact worked with Daniel Shore, who was a

0:36:07.355 --> 0:36:12.755
<v Speaker 1>legend of CBS News. I worked at CNN with Bernard Shaw,

0:36:13.275 --> 0:36:16.315
<v Speaker 1>who was a legend both in reality and in his

0:36:16.355 --> 0:36:19.955
<v Speaker 1>own mind. I met Gordon Barnes, who was a legendary

0:36:20.035 --> 0:36:22.875
<v Speaker 1>meteorologist in Washington and New York. It was a great

0:36:22.915 --> 0:36:26.315
<v Speaker 1>place in any event. Also, the hotel was pretty good

0:36:26.315 --> 0:36:28.715
<v Speaker 1>and they cleaned up after me. One of the people

0:36:28.835 --> 0:36:32.355
<v Speaker 1>I met on my often weekend responsibilities there was an

0:36:32.395 --> 0:36:36.435
<v Speaker 1>intern who who managed to get herself a job maybe

0:36:36.475 --> 0:36:40.275
<v Speaker 1>paying twenty dollars a week running camera on Saturday mornings.

0:36:40.515 --> 0:36:42.475
<v Speaker 1>And I got to know her largely because she was

0:36:42.515 --> 0:36:46.715
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful, six foot tall, super intelligent, blonde woman. And

0:36:46.755 --> 0:36:51.155
<v Speaker 1>we'll just refer to her as her because she went

0:36:51.195 --> 0:36:53.995
<v Speaker 1>on to a career in news. And I don't think

0:36:54.075 --> 0:36:57.275
<v Speaker 1>she's ever authorized. I've lost touch with her, obviously, but

0:36:57.515 --> 0:37:00.395
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's ever authorized me to tell this story.

0:37:00.875 --> 0:37:02.915
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think she'd like me too, because I

0:37:02.955 --> 0:37:06.075
<v Speaker 1>believe she went into conservative of media at some point,

0:37:06.235 --> 0:37:08.875
<v Speaker 1>So we'll just leave it out of her the story,

0:37:08.915 --> 0:37:13.795
<v Speaker 1>out of her name. I do think that perhaps it

0:37:13.875 --> 0:37:18.515
<v Speaker 1>would be justification here for telling the story based on

0:37:18.555 --> 0:37:20.755
<v Speaker 1>some of the things she said on the air, but

0:37:21.555 --> 0:37:23.555
<v Speaker 1>that would be small of me, and as you know,

0:37:23.835 --> 0:37:27.155
<v Speaker 1>I never do anything small or petty about other people

0:37:27.235 --> 0:37:31.075
<v Speaker 1>in the business. In any event, she and I got

0:37:31.075 --> 0:37:33.835
<v Speaker 1>to be pretty good platonic friends. That was the premise

0:37:33.915 --> 0:37:36.555
<v Speaker 1>going in. She didn't want to date anybody she worked with.

0:37:36.835 --> 0:37:39.275
<v Speaker 1>So every time I would go to Washington, certainly the

0:37:39.355 --> 0:37:41.395
<v Speaker 1>last year or so that I was down there, every

0:37:41.395 --> 0:37:43.955
<v Speaker 1>time we'd go and have lunch and have a nice time.

0:37:44.195 --> 0:37:46.115
<v Speaker 1>And she was great. She was funny and witty, and

0:37:46.155 --> 0:37:49.155
<v Speaker 1>she had aspirations for going into the business. And she

0:37:49.275 --> 0:37:51.715
<v Speaker 1>had already worked on Capitol Hill a couple of times.

0:37:51.915 --> 0:37:55.035
<v Speaker 1>So although I think we were contemporaries in age, and

0:37:55.075 --> 0:37:57.755
<v Speaker 1>I would have been twenty three or twenty four when

0:37:57.795 --> 0:38:01.755
<v Speaker 1>I met her, she had lived an entire lifetime in

0:38:01.755 --> 0:38:04.395
<v Speaker 1>addition to the one that I had. She'd worked on

0:38:04.715 --> 0:38:07.115
<v Speaker 1>Little Hill, which meant she could run at about thirty

0:38:07.155 --> 0:38:10.195
<v Speaker 1>five miles an hour in high heels if being chased

0:38:10.355 --> 0:38:14.995
<v Speaker 1>by aggressive and unhappy men. In any event, that was

0:38:15.035 --> 0:38:18.715
<v Speaker 1>the era of this of this story, in which sexual

0:38:18.755 --> 0:38:23.155
<v Speaker 1>harassment was largely a challenge for women. When it got

0:38:23.155 --> 0:38:26.195
<v Speaker 1>out of hand, usually a woman would tell other men

0:38:26.235 --> 0:38:29.555
<v Speaker 1>with whom she worked, and they we would beat the

0:38:29.555 --> 0:38:32.195
<v Speaker 1>crap out of the guy, or he'd be quietly fired,

0:38:32.235 --> 0:38:34.515
<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't a big deal about it. This is

0:38:34.595 --> 0:38:37.635
<v Speaker 1>not the nineteen sixties, in which it was encouraged and expected.

0:38:37.955 --> 0:38:40.315
<v Speaker 1>This had already at least changed to a period of

0:38:40.395 --> 0:38:43.675
<v Speaker 1>time in which women were entitled to defend themselves. And

0:38:43.715 --> 0:38:46.995
<v Speaker 1>in fact this story may have been the first time

0:38:47.275 --> 0:38:51.235
<v Speaker 1>that someone was reprimanded for sexual harassment and the victim

0:38:51.475 --> 0:38:54.795
<v Speaker 1>was in some way compensated for it. And again late

0:38:54.875 --> 0:38:57.315
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two or the beginning of nineteen eighty three.

0:38:57.915 --> 0:39:02.195
<v Speaker 1>So my friend was, as I say, startlingly attractive and

0:39:02.475 --> 0:39:05.395
<v Speaker 1>really talented, and was doing this just to get a

0:39:05.435 --> 0:39:08.115
<v Speaker 1>foot in the door, and was now having given up

0:39:08.155 --> 0:39:12.675
<v Speaker 1>her political career aspirations, going to go into television. Well,

0:39:12.715 --> 0:39:14.995
<v Speaker 1>one day she was working on a Saturday morning and

0:39:15.155 --> 0:39:18.075
<v Speaker 1>up from Atlanta pop Ted Turner on something or another,

0:39:18.595 --> 0:39:22.435
<v Speaker 1>some sort of I don't know, pursuit of a rare

0:39:23.675 --> 0:39:26.475
<v Speaker 1>bottle of something to drink, I don't know, or perhaps

0:39:26.795 --> 0:39:29.635
<v Speaker 1>to get in a boat, and oh, I don't know,

0:39:30.115 --> 0:39:33.515
<v Speaker 1>not sink. I shouldn't leave you with the impression that

0:39:33.595 --> 0:39:35.755
<v Speaker 1>I did not like Ted Turner. I did not like

0:39:35.915 --> 0:39:39.715
<v Speaker 1>drunk Ted Turner. The Ted Turner who sobered up circ

0:39:39.755 --> 0:39:42.555
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty four eighty five after he met Jane

0:39:42.555 --> 0:39:45.875
<v Speaker 1>Fonda and Jane Fonda saved his life. I like that

0:39:45.995 --> 0:39:49.035
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner very much. I've seen him a couple of

0:39:49.075 --> 0:39:52.235
<v Speaker 1>times since then, and I liked him very very much,

0:39:52.915 --> 0:39:55.475
<v Speaker 1>the drunk Ted Turner. He and I almost had a

0:39:55.515 --> 0:39:59.195
<v Speaker 1>fistfight once. In any event, Ted got one look at

0:39:59.275 --> 0:40:02.675
<v Speaker 1>my friend and immediately went over to her and made

0:40:02.715 --> 0:40:05.435
<v Speaker 1>an excuse to talk to her separately. And so, little girl,

0:40:05.475 --> 0:40:07.755
<v Speaker 1>what are your aspirations in this business that can't be

0:40:07.835 --> 0:40:10.235
<v Speaker 1>running camera on Saturday morning? I'm I the Inn Bureau.

0:40:10.275 --> 0:40:14.075
<v Speaker 1>You've in watching the DZ And she said, no, I have.

0:40:14.915 --> 0:40:18.115
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to go into television full time, probably on

0:40:18.155 --> 0:40:21.475
<v Speaker 1>the air. How about we have dinner. So she's telling

0:40:21.515 --> 0:40:24.635
<v Speaker 1>me this story. The next time I was in Washington,

0:40:24.675 --> 0:40:27.755
<v Speaker 1>probably a week or two after it actually happened, and

0:40:27.995 --> 0:40:31.475
<v Speaker 1>she said sure, and I said, what are you thinking?

0:40:31.555 --> 0:40:34.395
<v Speaker 1>What did you do that for? And she said, well,

0:40:35.275 --> 0:40:37.995
<v Speaker 1>she said, I worked on Capitol Hill. There's nothing he

0:40:38.035 --> 0:40:40.155
<v Speaker 1>can do that I hasn't been done to me already.

0:40:41.035 --> 0:40:43.235
<v Speaker 1>I can really run fast in these high heels. And

0:40:43.275 --> 0:40:46.755
<v Speaker 1>I said, I bet you can. I said, uh, I

0:40:46.755 --> 0:40:49.475
<v Speaker 1>bet you can. And we'll just leave it at then. Okay,

0:40:49.675 --> 0:40:53.235
<v Speaker 1>So now I said, well, let me know what happens.

0:40:53.395 --> 0:40:56.275
<v Speaker 1>And one night I went back to New York. And

0:40:57.195 --> 0:40:59.675
<v Speaker 1>one night I got a phone call from her at

0:40:59.755 --> 0:41:02.555
<v Speaker 1>about ten thirty. And it was really a surprise because

0:41:03.035 --> 0:41:06.115
<v Speaker 1>long distance phone calls, even from Washington to New York

0:41:06.195 --> 0:41:10.115
<v Speaker 1>were really expensive in nineteen eighty two or eighty three.

0:41:10.515 --> 0:41:13.715
<v Speaker 1>And she reported the following and we discussed it many

0:41:13.715 --> 0:41:16.635
<v Speaker 1>times thereafter, and as you'll see, I didn't just let

0:41:16.715 --> 0:41:20.235
<v Speaker 1>her story stand. I checked it out. I was a

0:41:20.275 --> 0:41:24.315
<v Speaker 1>good reporter on this little story. She agrees to go

0:41:24.475 --> 0:41:28.155
<v Speaker 1>and meet Ted Turner for dinner, and Ted picks someplace

0:41:28.315 --> 0:41:35.035
<v Speaker 1>inconspicuous seventeen eighty nine restaurant in Georgetown, the finest French

0:41:35.075 --> 0:41:39.795
<v Speaker 1>restaurant in Washington, possibly on the East Coast, certainly one

0:41:39.835 --> 0:41:43.195
<v Speaker 1>of them, certainly top ten in the country, and the

0:41:43.275 --> 0:41:47.555
<v Speaker 1>fine dining and violins playing in the background, and everything

0:41:47.675 --> 0:41:51.155
<v Speaker 1>shimmering and ship shape, and the whole idea. You could

0:41:51.155 --> 0:41:53.315
<v Speaker 1>eat off the plate or you could eat off the floor.

0:41:53.955 --> 0:41:56.275
<v Speaker 1>And she sits there, and she sits down, and he's

0:41:56.315 --> 0:42:00.875
<v Speaker 1>already ordered the wine, and she says, he starts to talk,

0:42:01.835 --> 0:42:04.715
<v Speaker 1>and if you think I can talk drunk, ted T

0:42:05.435 --> 0:42:10.595
<v Speaker 1>could talk literally for twenty four hours without interruption. He

0:42:10.675 --> 0:42:13.115
<v Speaker 1>was once late to a meeting with the National Football

0:42:13.195 --> 0:42:16.395
<v Speaker 1>League Players Association while it was out on strike because

0:42:16.475 --> 0:42:19.835
<v Speaker 1>he talked and did other things with a flight attendant

0:42:20.115 --> 0:42:23.915
<v Speaker 1>in what was supposedly a dumpster at O'Hare Airport in

0:42:23.995 --> 0:42:29.835
<v Speaker 1>Chicago for twenty four hours. Anyhow, on he goes about

0:42:29.835 --> 0:42:33.035
<v Speaker 1>his career, and as he always told people, for reasons,

0:42:33.035 --> 0:42:37.035
<v Speaker 1>I never quite understood the details of his father's suicide

0:42:37.635 --> 0:42:42.875
<v Speaker 1>and how CNN was financed and how precarious everything was,

0:42:42.955 --> 0:42:45.235
<v Speaker 1>but how he was convinced that this was the future

0:42:45.275 --> 0:42:47.715
<v Speaker 1>of news, and this was the future television, and also

0:42:47.755 --> 0:42:50.395
<v Speaker 1>this would bring about world peace, and on and on

0:42:50.435 --> 0:42:54.475
<v Speaker 1>and on and on in that wonderful accent that sounded

0:42:54.555 --> 0:42:58.595
<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of southern bees talking to you, I

0:42:58.795 --> 0:43:01.755
<v Speaker 1>had my pleasures of two full days with Ted Turner

0:43:01.875 --> 0:43:04.355
<v Speaker 1>and once at a football game, and I heard this

0:43:04.435 --> 0:43:07.915
<v Speaker 1>vo since sometimes it comes to me in my nightmares again,

0:43:08.355 --> 0:43:12.275
<v Speaker 1>drunk Ted Turner. Ted Turner sober had a much higher

0:43:12.315 --> 0:43:16.275
<v Speaker 1>and much much quieter voice. I liked sober Ted Turner

0:43:16.355 --> 0:43:18.635
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot, and I was very glad that he

0:43:18.675 --> 0:43:21.835
<v Speaker 1>became that. But we're talking about drunk Ted Turner who's

0:43:21.875 --> 0:43:25.275
<v Speaker 1>out to dinner with a twenty dollars a week camera

0:43:25.395 --> 0:43:28.075
<v Speaker 1>person at his bureau. And by the way, he is married.

0:43:28.835 --> 0:43:31.275
<v Speaker 1>He has a full time mistress who already has a

0:43:31.315 --> 0:43:34.475
<v Speaker 1>show on one of his other networks, and he probably,

0:43:34.635 --> 0:43:38.315
<v Speaker 1>if you define girlfriends in the broadest possible terms, has

0:43:38.395 --> 0:43:41.115
<v Speaker 1>three hundred to four hundred other girlfriends. At the time,

0:43:41.675 --> 0:43:45.435
<v Speaker 1>he is telling this woman of all of his riches.

0:43:45.595 --> 0:43:48.635
<v Speaker 1>And finally, after the meal has been ordered and it

0:43:48.715 --> 0:43:51.435
<v Speaker 1>is a spectacular French meal, she said, it might have

0:43:51.475 --> 0:43:53.715
<v Speaker 1>been the finest meal I ever ate, and I have

0:43:53.795 --> 0:43:56.315
<v Speaker 1>been to all the restaurants in DC, because remember I

0:43:56.395 --> 0:43:58.515
<v Speaker 1>used to work on Capitol Hill and I used to

0:43:58.515 --> 0:44:02.395
<v Speaker 1>win races every week with congressmen and senators. She says,

0:44:02.595 --> 0:44:07.995
<v Speaker 1>it was beyond belief. And finally, finally he pauses and says, well,

0:44:08.035 --> 0:44:10.435
<v Speaker 1>that's my story, a little girl. What is it that

0:44:10.475 --> 0:44:12.835
<v Speaker 1>you want to do in your career, because it can't

0:44:12.875 --> 0:44:15.675
<v Speaker 1>be what I found you doing? Run the camera and

0:44:15.195 --> 0:44:19.075
<v Speaker 1>my my than Am Bureau in Washington, DC on Saturday morning.

0:44:19.395 --> 0:44:21.435
<v Speaker 1>I checked into it. I know you're making twenty dollars

0:44:21.515 --> 0:44:23.515
<v Speaker 1>a week. I didn't know we could legally pay anybody

0:44:23.515 --> 0:44:28.115
<v Speaker 1>just twenty dollars a week. And she says, well, mister Turner,

0:44:28.115 --> 0:44:32.715
<v Speaker 1>call me Ted. Well, Ted, I want to go into

0:44:32.915 --> 0:44:36.795
<v Speaker 1>television and I'd like to be a newscaster, and I

0:44:36.955 --> 0:44:39.435
<v Speaker 1>figure I should start so I know what I'm talking

0:44:39.435 --> 0:44:44.555
<v Speaker 1>about as a news reporter. And he says okay, and

0:44:44.595 --> 0:44:47.515
<v Speaker 1>he takes out she says, a business card, and she

0:44:47.635 --> 0:44:51.035
<v Speaker 1>can't see anything at the distance. The table was so big.

0:44:51.075 --> 0:44:56.035
<v Speaker 1>It's a fine French restaurant in Washington, seventeen eighty nine Georgetown,

0:44:56.395 --> 0:45:01.235
<v Speaker 1>and she's watching him write something on it, and finally

0:45:01.835 --> 0:45:03.995
<v Speaker 1>he holds it up to her and now she can

0:45:04.035 --> 0:45:09.035
<v Speaker 1>read it across the table. It says I R Ted Turner,

0:45:09.755 --> 0:45:13.755
<v Speaker 1>give you and herein he actually remembered her name and

0:45:13.835 --> 0:45:17.795
<v Speaker 1>put it on the card. A three year contract for

0:45:17.915 --> 0:45:20.515
<v Speaker 1>a total of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So

0:45:20.555 --> 0:45:23.595
<v Speaker 1>that's fifty thousand dollars a year. And for your frame

0:45:23.635 --> 0:45:25.795
<v Speaker 1>of reference, I had just gotten a raised to forty

0:45:25.875 --> 0:45:29.315
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a year, and I was the national sports correspondent,

0:45:29.515 --> 0:45:32.995
<v Speaker 1>like their lead sports guy in the field. Fifty thousand

0:45:32.995 --> 0:45:35.555
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year for a woman who is making twenty

0:45:35.595 --> 0:45:38.275
<v Speaker 1>dollars a week for him, And it says, I, are

0:45:38.675 --> 0:45:43.075
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner, give you a three year contract for a

0:45:43.075 --> 0:45:45.595
<v Speaker 1>total of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars as a

0:45:45.675 --> 0:45:50.235
<v Speaker 1>reporter for the new CNN bureau in Detroit, Miami. And

0:45:50.275 --> 0:45:52.915
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember where the third new CNN bureau opening

0:45:52.915 --> 0:45:54.675
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty three was supposed to be, but that

0:45:54.795 --> 0:45:59.915
<v Speaker 1>was the third city, Detroit, Miami, and wherever signed are

0:46:00.315 --> 0:46:03.035
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner. And he holds it towards her and then

0:46:03.115 --> 0:46:05.555
<v Speaker 1>pushes it towards her, and as she reaches for it,

0:46:05.715 --> 0:46:09.715
<v Speaker 1>just to grab it to read it a little bit

0:46:09.715 --> 0:46:12.355
<v Speaker 1>more clearly, to see what it's actually saying. He's giving

0:46:12.355 --> 0:46:14.555
<v Speaker 1>me a job as a reporter based on dinner. I

0:46:14.555 --> 0:46:18.955
<v Speaker 1>haven't even said anything, she said to me, as he

0:46:18.995 --> 0:46:20.915
<v Speaker 1>holds it out to her, and she reaches for it,

0:46:20.955 --> 0:46:24.035
<v Speaker 1>he yanks it back towards his own neck. It's now

0:46:24.115 --> 0:46:27.515
<v Speaker 1>even with his own neck, and he says, uh uh.

0:46:28.075 --> 0:46:34.515
<v Speaker 1>Up in my room, as I said, Cindy went to

0:46:34.595 --> 0:46:37.675
<v Speaker 1>dinner with Ted Turner because of her confidence. She said,

0:46:38.435 --> 0:46:42.235
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what I've done to senators and staffers

0:46:42.555 --> 0:46:45.675
<v Speaker 1>and a few congressmen over the two or three years

0:46:45.675 --> 0:46:48.475
<v Speaker 1>I was on Capitol Hill. I know what to do.

0:46:49.395 --> 0:46:51.355
<v Speaker 1>I know what to do to make sure this doesn't

0:46:51.355 --> 0:46:55.475
<v Speaker 1>happen again. And she said this time, I was just,

0:46:55.595 --> 0:46:58.475
<v Speaker 1>for some reason, so frustrated by the fact that he

0:46:58.515 --> 0:47:01.995
<v Speaker 1>had never until that point, two hours into this evening,

0:47:02.395 --> 0:47:05.275
<v Speaker 1>let me say more than about three words. I didn't

0:47:05.275 --> 0:47:08.195
<v Speaker 1>even get to order the meal, she said. Something just

0:47:08.355 --> 0:47:12.835
<v Speaker 1>snapped inside me. And I stood up, and I leaned

0:47:12.875 --> 0:47:16.275
<v Speaker 1>in as if to give him a kiss. And when

0:47:16.315 --> 0:47:18.715
<v Speaker 1>he leaned forward and stuck his head up towards me,

0:47:19.475 --> 0:47:23.395
<v Speaker 1>I hit him. I slapped him with an open palm

0:47:23.955 --> 0:47:26.595
<v Speaker 1>right across his face, she said. And it was a

0:47:26.715 --> 0:47:30.115
<v Speaker 1>really good slap. It was a full contact slap. The

0:47:30.155 --> 0:47:33.435
<v Speaker 1>palm of my hand, she said, still hurts. I'm holding

0:47:33.515 --> 0:47:35.915
<v Speaker 1>the phone with my left hand, and I usually use

0:47:35.995 --> 0:47:38.195
<v Speaker 1>my right hand. For the phone and talking to you.

0:47:38.395 --> 0:47:40.075
<v Speaker 1>I've got it in the other hand because the other

0:47:40.115 --> 0:47:41.715
<v Speaker 1>one I got some ice on it earlier, and I'm

0:47:41.755 --> 0:47:43.115
<v Speaker 1>going to have to ice it again before I go

0:47:43.195 --> 0:47:45.035
<v Speaker 1>to sleep, she said. And then I got up and

0:47:45.115 --> 0:47:48.875
<v Speaker 1>left and called a cab, and happily, my major major

0:47:48.995 --> 0:47:51.795
<v Speaker 1>reaction to the entire evening, she said, was well, that

0:47:51.875 --> 0:47:54.675
<v Speaker 1>was a great meal. I forget what it was she had.

0:47:54.715 --> 0:47:58.235
<v Speaker 1>I think she had some beef dish. So we leave

0:47:58.395 --> 0:48:01.595
<v Speaker 1>Ted Turner having just been slapped by a six foot

0:48:01.675 --> 0:48:05.955
<v Speaker 1>tall blonde with a really big wingspan. I mean, this

0:48:06.075 --> 0:48:09.635
<v Speaker 1>woman was, as I said, super intelligent, and obviously she

0:48:09.755 --> 0:48:12.715
<v Speaker 1>made it into television. She was an anchor for many years,

0:48:12.755 --> 0:48:14.995
<v Speaker 1>at least twenty five years, and then I think she

0:48:15.075 --> 0:48:19.955
<v Speaker 1>went into Republican media, back when that was not necessarily

0:48:19.955 --> 0:48:22.875
<v Speaker 1>an indication of insanity. But in any event, she was.

0:48:23.115 --> 0:48:27.235
<v Speaker 1>She was gifted athletically as well, so I mean he

0:48:27.395 --> 0:48:31.315
<v Speaker 1>probably got seriously hurt. Well, this is only the first

0:48:31.315 --> 0:48:33.355
<v Speaker 1>part of the story, and that's the story I heard

0:48:33.835 --> 0:48:38.595
<v Speaker 1>that night. The next day, I was awakened by a

0:48:38.635 --> 0:48:43.275
<v Speaker 1>phone call at about seven am, and I'm like, oh

0:48:43.355 --> 0:48:45.875
<v Speaker 1>my god, who's who? Whatever? I have to go somebody

0:48:45.915 --> 0:48:49.875
<v Speaker 1>in sports is dead. And it's Keith, it's and it's her.

0:48:50.555 --> 0:48:55.755
<v Speaker 1>I said, what what are you? Okay, yes, I had

0:48:55.755 --> 0:48:57.915
<v Speaker 1>to talk to somebody. I know I woke you up,

0:48:57.915 --> 0:49:00.275
<v Speaker 1>but you already know the backstory, and I didn't want

0:49:00.315 --> 0:49:02.475
<v Speaker 1>to go through the whole thing again. You're just not

0:49:02.595 --> 0:49:05.595
<v Speaker 1>going to believe what happened. I said, well, you hit

0:49:05.675 --> 0:49:08.835
<v Speaker 1>him right. Oh no, that was only the start. I said,

0:49:08.875 --> 0:49:11.795
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, what did he do? Nothing? No, no, that's

0:49:11.835 --> 0:49:13.795
<v Speaker 1>not no, no, I just I got to call at

0:49:13.795 --> 0:49:18.635
<v Speaker 1>about four thirty, summoning me to the Washington Bureau. I said,

0:49:19.435 --> 0:49:22.475
<v Speaker 1>four thirty. It's and I looked at my watch. It

0:49:22.555 --> 0:49:24.715
<v Speaker 1>was seven am. I said, it's seven aa. What he

0:49:24.795 --> 0:49:26.955
<v Speaker 1>used to be four to thirty this morning. This has

0:49:26.995 --> 0:49:30.315
<v Speaker 1>already happened. Yes, they told me to come in. How

0:49:30.355 --> 0:49:32.275
<v Speaker 1>quickly could I get in? And I get into the

0:49:32.315 --> 0:49:36.675
<v Speaker 1>bureau before six o'clock. And there's Bill headline. That's actually

0:49:36.675 --> 0:49:38.635
<v Speaker 1>his name. He was the head of the Washington Bureau.

0:49:38.795 --> 0:49:41.675
<v Speaker 1>Headline was his name. I don't know if it was

0:49:41.915 --> 0:49:45.115
<v Speaker 1>Cha or h Ed. If it was Hga, he changed

0:49:45.115 --> 0:49:47.715
<v Speaker 1>his name. If it was Ahd, he had prophetic parents.

0:49:47.915 --> 0:49:51.715
<v Speaker 1>Bill headline, the head of the CNN Washington Bureau and

0:49:51.835 --> 0:49:54.995
<v Speaker 1>somebody else from HR in Washington, and the head of

0:49:55.075 --> 0:49:58.755
<v Speaker 1>human resources, and this was not even titled human resources.

0:49:58.875 --> 0:50:01.595
<v Speaker 1>This was like head of personnel for all of Turner

0:50:01.715 --> 0:50:04.595
<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting had flown up from Atlanta. There are no over

0:50:04.835 --> 0:50:07.795
<v Speaker 1>night flights, I don't think. I don't think there were

0:50:07.915 --> 0:50:11.835
<v Speaker 1>then anyway from Atlanta to Washington. He didn't fly commercial.

0:50:11.915 --> 0:50:14.395
<v Speaker 1>They put him on a private jet and send him

0:50:14.395 --> 0:50:16.475
<v Speaker 1>to Washington in the middle of the night. So he

0:50:16.555 --> 0:50:19.275
<v Speaker 1>must have gotten the phone call at midnight or one am.

0:50:20.155 --> 0:50:23.035
<v Speaker 1>And he is sitting there, and she is sitting there,

0:50:23.475 --> 0:50:25.275
<v Speaker 1>and the head of the bureau is sitting there, and

0:50:25.315 --> 0:50:28.395
<v Speaker 1>there are other lawyers there, and she's thinking, oh my god,

0:50:28.715 --> 0:50:32.075
<v Speaker 1>they're really going to go to this much trouble just

0:50:32.115 --> 0:50:34.875
<v Speaker 1>to fire me because I didn't sleep with Ted Turner.

0:50:36.155 --> 0:50:40.275
<v Speaker 1>And she says the Atlanta guy then says, Miss such

0:50:40.315 --> 0:50:42.995
<v Speaker 1>and such, we are aware that there was an incident

0:50:43.195 --> 0:50:45.915
<v Speaker 1>last night with mister Turner and on behalf of the

0:50:45.955 --> 0:50:51.075
<v Speaker 1>Turner Broadcasting Company and all of its legal affiliates and organizations.

0:50:51.115 --> 0:50:55.275
<v Speaker 1>We would like to apologize in full. Mister Turner is

0:50:55.475 --> 0:50:57.915
<v Speaker 1>under a great deal of pressure because of the economic

0:50:58.355 --> 0:51:02.235
<v Speaker 1>conditions about CNN, which I understand he informed you of,

0:51:02.515 --> 0:51:04.595
<v Speaker 1>and we would appreciate it and take it as a

0:51:05.235 --> 0:51:07.635
<v Speaker 1>great courtesy to the rest of us who work here

0:51:07.755 --> 0:51:10.715
<v Speaker 1>if you did not share that information with anybody. But

0:51:10.995 --> 0:51:13.475
<v Speaker 1>we understand if that's not going to be your attitude

0:51:13.475 --> 0:51:16.315
<v Speaker 1>towards this, but we just wanted to apologize to you,

0:51:16.715 --> 0:51:19.315
<v Speaker 1>and mister Turner would be here himself, but he is

0:51:20.235 --> 0:51:24.475
<v Speaker 1>obviously stricken with remorse, and I'm thinking he's stricken with

0:51:24.515 --> 0:51:27.395
<v Speaker 1>a hangover it dude. Anyway, so the story is told

0:51:27.515 --> 0:51:31.795
<v Speaker 1>to me, continuing with this unbelievable outcome that now unfolds

0:51:31.795 --> 0:51:33.955
<v Speaker 1>in front of this woman whose hands still hurts from

0:51:34.035 --> 0:51:38.515
<v Speaker 1>hitting Ted Turner at seventeen eighty nine the restaurant in

0:51:38.555 --> 0:51:42.155
<v Speaker 1>front of everybody on a busy weeknight in Georgetown in

0:51:42.155 --> 0:51:44.435
<v Speaker 1>the year of our Lord nineteen eighty two or eighty three,

0:51:45.155 --> 0:51:47.315
<v Speaker 1>and she's realizing that they have not brought her in

0:51:47.395 --> 0:51:52.155
<v Speaker 1>to fire her. They brought her into to apologize or something.

0:51:52.195 --> 0:51:54.995
<v Speaker 1>And they go on and Bill Headline says, this is

0:51:55.035 --> 0:51:59.155
<v Speaker 1>what we'd like to offer you right now. We can't

0:51:59.195 --> 0:52:01.795
<v Speaker 1>add you to the reporting staff, but we'd like to

0:52:01.875 --> 0:52:05.835
<v Speaker 1>offer you a kind of ad hoc training program so

0:52:05.875 --> 0:52:08.555
<v Speaker 1>that you can become a reporter sooner rather than later

0:52:08.675 --> 0:52:11.595
<v Speaker 1>with US or somewhere else. But in the interim, we'd

0:52:11.635 --> 0:52:13.915
<v Speaker 1>like to give you the kind of experience that most

0:52:13.915 --> 0:52:16.795
<v Speaker 1>reporters find really valuable. We'd like you to work on

0:52:16.875 --> 0:52:19.875
<v Speaker 1>the assignment desk. And she, of course knew what the

0:52:19.875 --> 0:52:22.635
<v Speaker 1>assignment desk was. It was the busy place where you've

0:52:22.675 --> 0:52:25.515
<v Speaker 1>made logistics and sent camera crews here and there, and

0:52:25.555 --> 0:52:30.075
<v Speaker 1>tried to arrange interviews and decided what stories required which components.

0:52:30.115 --> 0:52:32.515
<v Speaker 1>It was a very good training ground. There was another

0:52:32.555 --> 0:52:35.995
<v Speaker 1>woman working there already, named Catherine Kirk. You may have

0:52:36.035 --> 0:52:38.555
<v Speaker 1>heard of her. I don't know how she got there.

0:52:38.635 --> 0:52:41.675
<v Speaker 1>I presume it was by no means resembling this one

0:52:41.875 --> 0:52:45.915
<v Speaker 1>in any event. Now now she's beginning to understand they

0:52:45.915 --> 0:52:48.755
<v Speaker 1>are offering her, not just according to Bill headline, a

0:52:48.835 --> 0:52:51.115
<v Speaker 1>job on the assignment desk. And again she's making twenty

0:52:51.155 --> 0:52:54.275
<v Speaker 1>dollars a week and is technically an intern at CNN.

0:52:55.755 --> 0:52:59.235
<v Speaker 1>And Ted Turner has just propositioned her, and she has

0:52:59.395 --> 0:53:02.715
<v Speaker 1>just hit him in public with an open faced slap.

0:53:03.475 --> 0:53:04.955
<v Speaker 1>She said, I may have hit him hard enough to

0:53:04.995 --> 0:53:06.675
<v Speaker 1>knock him out of the chair. I never even thought

0:53:06.675 --> 0:53:11.115
<v Speaker 1>of that. She has hit him, and now they are

0:53:11.155 --> 0:53:14.155
<v Speaker 1>offering her a job on the assignment desk, and here

0:53:14.195 --> 0:53:17.475
<v Speaker 1>comes the punchline. We'd liked to offer you a contract

0:53:17.755 --> 0:53:21.555
<v Speaker 1>for three years here for twenty five thousand dollars a year.

0:53:22.395 --> 0:53:24.435
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anybody at the assignment desk was

0:53:24.435 --> 0:53:26.555
<v Speaker 1>making twenty five thousand dollars a year. But you may

0:53:26.595 --> 0:53:29.075
<v Speaker 1>remember from earlier in this long story that when I

0:53:29.155 --> 0:53:31.915
<v Speaker 1>first went to CNN full time, they offered me twenty

0:53:31.915 --> 0:53:33.955
<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars a year to be on the air,

0:53:34.115 --> 0:53:37.395
<v Speaker 1>like six times a week. Twenty five thousand dollars in

0:53:37.475 --> 0:53:41.155
<v Speaker 1>CNN nineteen eighty three money was a boat load. Ted

0:53:41.275 --> 0:53:43.675
<v Speaker 1>may not have made twenty five thousand dollars a year.

0:53:44.635 --> 0:53:48.475
<v Speaker 1>So she goes okay, and they said, all we need

0:53:48.515 --> 0:53:51.235
<v Speaker 1>from you is a is a signed promise that you're

0:53:51.275 --> 0:53:54.035
<v Speaker 1>not going to take any legal action against mister Turner

0:53:54.075 --> 0:53:58.555
<v Speaker 1>for the unfortunate episode last night. And she said sure,

0:54:00.035 --> 0:54:03.075
<v Speaker 1>because she had worked on Capitol Hill and she knew

0:54:03.195 --> 0:54:06.115
<v Speaker 1>how things worked. In the nineteen eighties, the best way

0:54:06.155 --> 0:54:10.035
<v Speaker 1>to deal with a sexual harassment attempt was to turn

0:54:10.075 --> 0:54:12.795
<v Speaker 1>it into something to your benefit. And she had just

0:54:12.835 --> 0:54:15.075
<v Speaker 1>been offered what, as I said, might have been the

0:54:15.075 --> 0:54:20.875
<v Speaker 1>first time officially a television network compensated a victim of

0:54:20.955 --> 0:54:26.595
<v Speaker 1>a manager's sexual aggression. She went on, as I said

0:54:26.675 --> 0:54:30.155
<v Speaker 1>to I believe, a twenty five year career as an anchor,

0:54:30.315 --> 0:54:33.795
<v Speaker 1>and then into conservative media. But I was still not

0:54:33.915 --> 0:54:37.475
<v Speaker 1>totally satisfied by this story, delightful as it was. And

0:54:37.555 --> 0:54:40.635
<v Speaker 1>so next time I was in DC, which I think

0:54:40.715 --> 0:54:43.475
<v Speaker 1>was a week or two later, I went to seventeen

0:54:43.515 --> 0:54:45.435
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. Not to eat there because it would have

0:54:45.475 --> 0:54:49.355
<v Speaker 1>consumed most of my month's salary, but I went there

0:54:49.675 --> 0:54:52.995
<v Speaker 1>to find out. And even then, even at a place

0:54:53.115 --> 0:54:55.795
<v Speaker 1>like that, a ten dollars bill will buy you all

0:54:55.835 --> 0:55:00.195
<v Speaker 1>sorts of information. And by happy happenstance, the major d

0:55:00.395 --> 0:55:03.395
<v Speaker 1>on duty at that time said, I was not here

0:55:03.435 --> 0:55:05.355
<v Speaker 1>that night, but of course we all know about it.

0:55:05.555 --> 0:55:08.395
<v Speaker 1>But the bartender saw the whole thing. He'd be able

0:55:08.435 --> 0:55:10.835
<v Speaker 1>to tell you. And so I went and bought him

0:55:10.875 --> 0:55:13.235
<v Speaker 1>a drink, and I tad a drink, and he told me,

0:55:13.595 --> 0:55:17.875
<v Speaker 1>and he confirmed every one of the details. She hit

0:55:17.955 --> 0:55:21.155
<v Speaker 1>him as hard as I have seen anybody hit anybody

0:55:21.275 --> 0:55:26.355
<v Speaker 1>with one slap. She should go into martial arts. This

0:55:26.555 --> 0:55:29.875
<v Speaker 1>was before there were a lot of women boxers. I

0:55:29.955 --> 0:55:32.755
<v Speaker 1>knew never to mess with her. And that's when he

0:55:32.835 --> 0:55:38.115
<v Speaker 1>said it. The final story, the final part of the story. Yes,

0:55:38.875 --> 0:55:42.795
<v Speaker 1>she hit him, She hit ted Turner in front of everybody.

0:55:43.395 --> 0:55:45.755
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear what happened beforehand, but there was something

0:55:45.755 --> 0:55:48.715
<v Speaker 1>with a business card. And then she stood up and

0:55:49.275 --> 0:55:51.155
<v Speaker 1>moved in like she was going to kiss him, and

0:55:51.195 --> 0:55:54.875
<v Speaker 1>he tilted his head up. And yes, she hit him,

0:55:55.475 --> 0:56:15.515
<v Speaker 1>but no, he didn't fall out of his chair. I've

0:56:15.515 --> 0:56:17.475
<v Speaker 1>done all the damage I can do here. Thank you

0:56:17.555 --> 0:56:22.195
<v Speaker 1>for listening again. I only have that confirmation from the

0:56:22.235 --> 0:56:25.395
<v Speaker 1>guy at the bar, and of course the story as

0:56:25.395 --> 0:56:29.995
<v Speaker 1>it was told to me by the slapper whose name

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<v Speaker 1>I'm leaving out of it. I never brought it up

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<v Speaker 1>with Ted. I wouldn't know if he would remember it,

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<v Speaker 1>or would have remembered it then, or how often something

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<v Speaker 1>like that happened, or maybe it didn't happen allow for

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<v Speaker 1>that possibility. I just don't you know. I wasn't there

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<v Speaker 1>when it happened. She was. Our musical directors have Countdown

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<v Speaker 1>or John Phillips Chaneil on keyboards and handling, orchestration and

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Ray on guitars, bass and drums, presumably slaps the

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<v Speaker 1>drum every once in a while, and their work is

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Tko Brothers. Nancy Fauss, the best baseball stadium

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<v Speaker 1>Morganist ever is responsible for our satirical and pithy musical

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<v Speaker 1>comments when we do play the sports music. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>old theme from the Olberman Show on ESPN two, written

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<v Speaker 1>by Mitch Warren Davis Curtisy of ESPN Inc. As an aside.

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<v Speaker 1>You know they wanted to call that show. The first

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<v Speaker 1>name of that show on ESPN two was KO, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, people are going to think it's a boxing show.

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<v Speaker 1>So they actually had things printed. They had swag that

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<v Speaker 1>was printed, like bags and t shirts and things that

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<v Speaker 1>read KO and the name of the show is Olberman.

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<v Speaker 1>Other music arranged and performed by the group No Horns

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<v Speaker 1>Allowed On My announcer today is my friend Dennis Leary.

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<v Speaker 1>This program was produced by Ted Stevie Rose and Kit.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything else was as always my fault. That's countdown for today.

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<v Speaker 1>Day four hundred and forty two of America held hostage

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<v Speaker 1>yet again, but just one and eleven days until the

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled end of his lame duck and lame brained term

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<v Speaker 1>unless he is removed sooner by Jesus H. Christ, or

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<v Speaker 1>by doctor Jesus or by doctor Johnny Fever. The next

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled countdown is Monday. Bulletins is the news merits until

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<v Speaker 1>the next one. I'm Keith Olramman. Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight,

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<v Speaker 1>and good luck. Countdown with Keith Oldreman is a production

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