1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: The Quest Loft Show is a production of iHeart Radio. 2 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of The Quest 3 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: Loft Show. 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: I will say that our guest today. 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Is a visionary, a visionary so many iconic moments and 6 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: his canon be it of course, moll And Rouge, Romeo 7 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: and Juliet, the Elvis film The Great Gatsby. You know, 8 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: not enough people to talk about the get down. Nobody 9 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: talks about the get down right now, We're here to 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: celebrate probably one of the most clever acronyms, a movie 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: called Epic, which is Elvis Presley in concert. I guess 12 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 2: you could say almost companion film to the Elvis biopick. 13 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: And it's an amazing rare look. I believe, over fifty 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: nine hours of rare concert footage that hasn't been seen. 15 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: And in a minute, so much to talk about, Ladies 16 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: and gentlemen, please welcome, bads. Look all right, lureman, is 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: that is okay? 18 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: You say? 19 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: You do everything perfectly? 20 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: There you go, Baz Lauren, thank you for coming to 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: the Quest Love Show. How are you today? 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: Well, I'm extremely happy to be here on your show, man, 23 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: because I you know, you said a lot of nice 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: things about me and my work, and I feel the 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: same about you, and I feel somewhat of a kindred 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: spirit and that I think both of us, you know, 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 4: we don't specify ourselves. Like you love music, you love storytelling, 28 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: you love ideas, you like people, and you love culture. 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: And that's the way I see the world. 30 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: You know, I'm kind of geeking out because the fact 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: that you're even putting. 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: My pronoun into we and us, Like, I'm glad. 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: You see me as Atlasa Kendrick spirit, you know. Okay, 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: So I have so many questions to ask you about 35 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: your career, but for me, the most important is I 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: guess your trademark that I know you for is kind 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: of your anachronistic treatment of music in period pieces. 38 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: I remember sitting there and rolling me. 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: On Juliette, like, wait a minute, this music wasn't out there, 40 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: and like are they allowed to do that? Like we 41 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: had so many talks about wait, are they allowed to 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: just disregard time? 43 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: And you know, and this happens often in your movies. 44 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: When you first get a spark for a project, does 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: the playlist come first? Like how important is our songs 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: to you before you start a project? 47 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: Well, first, of all these I pop into my mind 48 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 4: and then I go, I must do it. I think 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 4: everything I've ever made has been in my mind from 50 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: the get gos. It is like the list of things 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: I feel I must make, not what I want to make, 52 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 4: but what I must make. 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: There's too many that I won't get them all done 54 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: before I go. 55 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: But like, for example, one thing I was always fascinated 56 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 4: with since being a kid was if Shakespeare made a movie? 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: How would he go about making a movie? And so 58 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 4: then it begins with that philosophical idea. I usually spend 59 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 4: time like I have a great friend Craig Piers went 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: to school. We wrote things together, you know, seem like 61 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 4: serial collaborators, musers, friends going up and downhills, drinking too 62 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: many glasses of wine and going. 63 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: Now, which, what's right? What's useful? Now? 64 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: So then it goes like, oh, you know, I really 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: want to reinvent the musical, but that's going to be 66 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: more complicated. So I just quickly bang off, you know, 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 4: what would Shakespeare do it for me? 68 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: A movie? That was the mission? 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: Now I say that, and it will answer your question, 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: because in studying Shakespeare very deeply, he would do things 71 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: like very broad comedy and then huge drama in the 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: next minute. The other thing he did was he took 73 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 4: pop music from the street and put it into his shows. 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 3: And he was pillared for this. 75 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 4: He was considered, I mean other writers at the time 76 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: that this guy is just such trash and he's a 77 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 4: working class he's not educated, he'll never last. But because 78 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 4: he did it, I would do it now now. To 79 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: be clear, as we were developing script, I developed the 80 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: music language as well. So it's literally written in the 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: script of Romeo and Juliet. I think it was something 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 4: like a boy with the voice of Stevie Wonder sings 83 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: a version of Princess Dove's Cry as a hymn as 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: Romeo and Juliet. So I can se the music of 85 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 4: equal importance in the fabric of storytelling as I with 86 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: the words and the image. I actually developed them in parallel, 87 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: like three scripts. 88 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: I guess you're telling me that you're saying that you 89 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: inherently know everything. And I believe this too, that all 90 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: humans know everything. We just have to channel you know, 91 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: the information, everything we need to know, everything that we're 92 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: going to know in this lifetime is already inside of us. 93 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, life is a self revelation that never stops. 94 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: Correct. So that said, I gotta ask. 95 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: I mean, because everything you've done is ambitious, is there 96 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: a holy Grail project that you dream of making that's 97 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: kind of on the back Murner right now. 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: Well, I have to be very careful. 99 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: You can't. 100 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: Okay, no, no, because my answer going to sound pretentious, 101 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: and the answer is not. 102 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: You're an artist. 103 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: Not because anything I think up, I don't go. 104 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 4: I mean, this does sound pretentious, but I don't go 105 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 4: like I got this idea. 106 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: I need to get a job. 107 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: I just have always been either arrogant enough, or foolish enough, 108 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: or blind enough or singular enough to go hmmm. Shakespeare 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: directs a film. I want to make that now. At 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: that stage I had made Strictly Borim and it was 111 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: a wonderful journey. It was a play that I devised 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: in Lae. And when we did the film, we lost 113 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 4: the one distributor. 114 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: And then the guy brings me up. 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 4: I'm shaving my long collly black care off going Obviously, 116 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: I'll never make a movie again. It says my name 117 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: is Beer Rision, I'm from Zeke and film Festivela like 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: to invade you. We go Boom twelve o'clock, most amount 119 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: of sales in history. 120 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Changes, Yes, exactly, my life changes. 121 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 4: So by having said that, in doing a first look 122 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: deal with Fox, they were definitely not expecting me to 123 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: walk in and say I want to do Shakespeare, as 124 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: if Shakespeare was directing a movie. That was not what 125 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: they were hoping for. But I just go, that is 126 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: what is needed to tell you right now, Right now, 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm in the middle of this, and this 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: is god epic has its own quite extraordinary life. Even 129 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 4: I'm swept up and surprised and joyed by the embrace. 130 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that as a sales pitch, 131 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: but in the background, on a very deep level, I'm 132 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: working on jan Dac the story of Joan of arc 133 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: in the belief that in two years time, a story 134 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: about a world that is stuck in this echo chamber 135 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: of old dudes who want to keep it going around 136 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 4: and round and around because it makes money. And she 137 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: says enough is enough. And she comes from a small 138 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: country town at the age of seventeen and lifts up 139 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: a young king who's on his last knees and changes 140 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: history for that generation. 141 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: And I just think that's going to be useful. So 142 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: I just think I have to. 143 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Do it continue the tradition of playing with time in 144 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: terms of. 145 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 4: I know every step genov ARC's taken, I've taken it, 146 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: and I've worked with academic systuff, very very academically. But 147 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 4: then I say, my job is to translate it for 148 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: the audience at this time, in this moment. 149 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: And so without saying. 150 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: What yeah, well, without saying what it is, yeah, see, 151 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: here's my thing, here's my thing. 152 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: Listen to my thing. 153 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: You take Gatsby, whether people agree with what I did 154 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 4: in Gadsby or not. I was working on Gatsby and 155 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: Fitzgerald wrote into his novella Black Street Music, which was 156 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: called jazz, even termed the phrase of jazz age, and 157 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: people went, why are you doing that? It's going to 158 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: be a fad, this jazz stuff, But when you come 159 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 4: to make the movie, it's kind of got a nostalgic patina. 160 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: So then I get with jay Z and Jay I 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: told him all about it down just down the road here, 162 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 4: and before I even finished, he says, what are you 163 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 4: talking about? We're doing it, And he says, we're going 164 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: to do this, and together we embark on this journey 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 4: bringing lots of artists together because we wanted to show 166 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: that that is what it is and what it felt like, 167 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 4: and what Gatsby in the novel felt like was kind 168 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 4: of what hip hop could do for us. 169 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: I understand. 170 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: So, yeah, if you put jazz inside of Gatsby, now 171 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: jazz is your grandparents' music, it's it's except great. 172 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: But I don't understand. 173 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: It was like edgy and scary and was like cut 174 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 4: through you know, gotcha? 175 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: What was your first musical memory in life? Your very 176 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: first musical memory. 177 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 3: Easy. 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: My father went to the Vietnam War and when he 179 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 4: came back, he brought with him what was called a 180 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 4: real to real Akai, very very high tech, and we 181 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: were in Sydney for a while. Then we moved to 182 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: a tiny country town. And in this tiny country town 183 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 4: we had the gas station and a restaurant, a pig farm. 184 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: It's only about five houses. 185 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 4: But Dad had a Kai and it came with the 186 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: demonstration tape. And the demonstration tape had Tijuana brass, classical music, Mozart, 187 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 4: the Beatles, and the sound of the Japanese. 188 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: Bulletrain going right. 189 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, it's random. Yeah, what I want to 190 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 4: show stereo. Okay, Oh, there was a voice that said 191 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 4: something like. 192 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: A Japanese bullet train now as it rips. 193 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: By, and it could record. But the thing is, I 194 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: think that we used to play the tape endlessly. And 195 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: then there were records, and then I ran my own 196 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: radio station, not as cool as yours. I only had 197 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: one record called One is the Loneliest Number, which I 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 4: don't find it. But I think the variety of that 199 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: music left me with a sort of lack of prejudice 200 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 4: about kinds of music. 201 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 3: There was just music, good and average. 202 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Which city is the that you were born in or 203 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: grew up in? 204 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: But I was born in Sydney on the sand outside 205 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 4: where my parents were building a house with their bare hands. 206 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 4: But then very early on, we moved to this tiny 207 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: country town in the bush in Australia, kinda not in 208 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: desert in huge trees, like it was a forestry area 209 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 4: on a highway. 210 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: All right. 211 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: So many elements of your life I think can be 212 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: traced to your formative years. Everything as the irony hit 213 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: you or whatever, like your dad runs a movie theater 214 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: and suddenly like this is your life. 215 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: Your mom was a ballroom instructor, so that's you do 216 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: strictly ballroom. I mean, your name is Mark Anthony. 217 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: So there's some sort of Caesarus Shakespearean thing going on. 218 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: First of all, where is the name Baz come from? 219 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: Is that a nickname? 220 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: Or yeah? 221 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well Willams is rather than going to the 222 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 4: epic version epic as you know, it was President Constant 223 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: give a plug, just kidding bigger, but no, the epic 224 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 4: version of it. But we my brothers and I grew 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 4: up my sister. There was a moment of tumultuous separation 226 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 4: and my mother leaves us to go to the city, 227 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: and you know, I just knew I would forever be there. 228 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: And that was a very loving man, and he. 229 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: Had all sorts of artists stay with us, and he 230 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: didn't ever ask to be without education. So we learned 231 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: photography and bought him dancing and commander training all at once. 232 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: You know. 233 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 4: It was crazy, like we all had to have a business. 234 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: We were just active from five am in the morning 235 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 4: till late at night, plus running the gas station and 236 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: blah blah blah. 237 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: And little kids, little kids. We had so much work 238 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 3: to do and stuff. But it was I now look 239 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: back and go. 240 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: It was sort of a caravancier of adventure and creativity. 241 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 4: There was NonStop. However, there's this breakup. I run away 242 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: and I find mom in the city and she puts me. 243 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: I was in quite a progressive school. There was like 244 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 4: experimental school that we were in. Had a new system 245 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 4: and you had to think all d day and so 246 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 4: you could learn different creative things. Anyway, long story short, 247 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: they put me into this kind of boys school. But 248 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: dad had this thing because he was from the Vietnam War. 249 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 4: He did not like hippies, and so he cut our 250 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 4: hair really really short, and we had to wear you know, 251 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: white shirts and ties. Can you imagine in the seventies, 252 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: you know, when everybody else was wearing pooka shells and 253 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 4: like a wine shirts and flip flops and you know, and. 254 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: Doing we you know, like we got beat up a 255 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 3: lot for that. 256 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 4: So as soon as I ran away, I grew up 257 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: my hair, which was crazy curly, and I went to 258 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 4: this boys school and you know, obviously you know, hormonal 259 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 4: teenage boys banging on their head. And so the US 260 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: got me basil Brush after a kind of English cartoon 261 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: character as a sort of oh yeah, just to put 262 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 4: me down. 263 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 3: So this nickname mas or Basil, bas. 264 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: Or Basil and you took it on. 265 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: So I went to hell with that and I went 266 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: into deed poll and at nineteen, you know what, mark 267 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: boring and thought, I'm going to call myself Baz Mark 268 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 4: two sides to me. One is going to be my 269 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: kind of brand, Baz, and the Mark's going to be 270 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 4: who I am. And I made up the name Basmark. 271 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: And was that your legal name now or my legal 272 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 4: name my passport? 273 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: Since I was nineteen? 274 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: Okay, at ten to fifteen, what were your goals in life? 275 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: Like? 276 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: What did you want to be when you grew up? 277 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: Well, again, it's going to sound pretentious. 278 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: But you're an artist. You're allowed to dream. 279 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: That's what I was doing. But I was not only dreaming. 280 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: I was doing so even at ten, I was doing shows. 281 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: I have my own radio show. Dad was really supportive 282 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: of this. 283 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: Wait, how were you when you had a radio show? 284 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: I was about eleven. I got the eleven years old. 285 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 286 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: I found this old record player and Dad ricked up 287 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 4: speakers in the gas station. 288 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: It was called radio. It was mobile no mobile gas. 289 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I here we are Radio Mlbil and when we come, 290 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: let's play that great hit one is the loneliest number, 291 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: because that's the only rest. And then my rather my 292 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 4: younger brother would read the sports, you know, and he 293 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 4: was like, let's say, not the greatest reader in the world. 294 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: Well that's enough with the sports. Let's get back to 295 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: that great hit one is the loneliest number. So it 296 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 4: was it was role playing, but I did it and 297 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 4: I made little films because Dad met month through photography. 298 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: He was in the equivalent of the Navy Seals, I guess, 299 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: you know. He was on the Melbourne, which is an 300 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 4: aircraft carry blowing stuff up basically to do landings, and 301 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: you know, he need really he lived an energy military life. 302 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: But he was very creative and he was obsessed with photography. 303 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: So he made me learn how to use a box brown. 304 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 4: He wouldn't let me use an SLR like old Kodak 305 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 4: and process my own film and footage. And I was 306 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 4: making little movies at the same time. 307 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so you come from theater culture, of course, and 308 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: of course you as a director, I'm under the impression 309 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: that the grass is always greener on the other side, 310 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: like when you're on one side. Then you know, like 311 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: I wish I was as much as I complained about 312 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: touring with the Roots back in the night, you know, 313 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: like I would do anything, even the towns I hated 314 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: to go to. 315 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: But of course, when you're doing that. 316 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: You wish, oh man, if I could just live in 317 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: one city and have. 318 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: A regular job. 319 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: You know, the grass is always green. 320 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: So for you, you know, coming from developing theater, where's your 321 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: pleasure center? 322 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Do you like theater better or is it movies? 323 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: You know, I honestly do not consider myself a film 324 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 4: director a director of opera. Right now, I've just finished 325 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 4: with seeing them making a little train carriage for the 326 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 4: people that have the orone express for dining carriage. 327 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: It's going to open in May. We've built what is this. 328 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: We've got a hotel in Miami. 329 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Okay. 330 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: I got a little by here in New York. 331 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: Okay. 332 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 4: You know, I done election campaign edited magazines. I believe 333 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 4: in creative adventure. I actually don't define myself by that. 334 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 4: It's got to be a creative adventure. And I would 335 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: say what defines me is that I trade in storytelling 336 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 4: and ideas and the medium is always I'm open about it, 337 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: you know, like often thinks that for the first time 338 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 4: when I have my opera company. It was the first 339 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: time I did opera just because I was fascinated and compelled. Yeah, 340 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: I've met a lot of music. I learned to produce 341 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 4: quite early on. And although I've worked with the greats, 342 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 4: you know, like Jay and great great artists, I mean, 343 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 4: you know, the Bono's and the Bowies and you know 344 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 4: and Elton. 345 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: And I've known that you've produced your soundtracks, which, yeah, 346 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: I definitely want to get into that. 347 00:17:47,800 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, forty years has passed since. 348 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to reduce it to saying Leo Mania, 349 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: but I mean the spark of the world's obsession with 350 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio. Really, there's always the well I was there 351 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: in the beginning. I was a day one, but I'm 352 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: really like I was alive during Romeo and Juliet time, 353 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: and I'll tell you how much have changed me as 354 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: a DJ. 355 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: I never knew why, Like I was late. 356 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: Maybe I saw Romeo and Juliet maybe like four months 357 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: after it came out. Yeah, And I used to always 358 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: play Young Hearts when free, and suddenly I was like, wow, 359 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: like young kids are really into Kandy State, and like 360 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 2: I must be doing something good. Having no clue how 361 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: you incorporated music into it. So, like, what are your 362 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: memories of like just that period of Romeo and Juliet. 363 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 2: How did you convince your producers in the movie company 364 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: that this idea is going to work? 365 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: First of all, did you know it was going to work? Yes, 366 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: you knew it. 367 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So from super to nuts, Like, how give 368 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: me your reflections of it? 369 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 4: Well, you know, we used to always make in the 370 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 4: days of Blu Ray, we always made the extras. You know, 371 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: I've been involved in everything, and I think I tell 372 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 4: the story. It's there was a big kind of thing 373 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: in Sun Valley where industrialists would come and so I 374 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: did a lecture on creativity and blah blah blah, and 375 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: I tell the story of pitching Romeo and Juliet. 376 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: And I'm a terrible picture. 377 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 4: And look, I gotta be careful because the exec I 378 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 4: had at the time as a dear friend, and you know, 379 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: he wasn't expecting me to come and see it's a 380 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: modern day Romeo and Juliet. 381 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: He says, just it's a long story, but I do 382 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: it terribly. 383 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: Who was the exact pitter? 384 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: Rice? 385 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, of course. 386 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: And Rice is like, you know, I love Peter, but 387 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: he was young too, and he was like, oh my god, 388 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 4: he hates me telling this story, but I got to 389 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: tell you. He also without him, there would be no 390 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: Romeo and Juliet because there's a chapter two. First chapter 391 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: is I'll do it without going into all the detail. 392 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 4: But he says, that's great, but just don't mention its Shakespeare, 393 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 4: you know. So I go in and I do my 394 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: you know, is where like in Imasion and as Gangs 395 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 4: and Wound, the lights go on and goes horribly wrong. However, 396 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 4: I did what I always do, and it relates a 397 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: little bit to Epic because I think what Jonathan and 398 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: I John I Redman, my editor and co producing cro 399 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 4: creator on Epic. I always begin by making a kind 400 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: of tone poem of music, visuals and dialogue that can 401 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 4: convey the feeling of what it is I'm trying to 402 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: make because it's hard to grasp for people. And so 403 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 4: at the end of this disastrous hour where Peter Chernan, 404 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: who is like the head. 405 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: Of Fox then my current boss right. 406 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 4: Well, mister Jernon, you know, and wonderful, but he just 407 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: I put the tape on him. 408 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: And they went like, oh, I get it. 409 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: It's kind of Gangs and I went yes, So they 410 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: gave me a little bit of money, and Leonardo came 411 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: into it because I sing, I can't make this unless 412 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 4: I can find someone who looks like Romeo. 413 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: I saw a picture in a magazine. 414 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 4: I went, that kid there he looks like and I 415 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: just thought he was I didn't know he could act. 416 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: And they said, actually, he's a really amazing young actor. 417 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 4: So I go to him. 418 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: So you had no idea about what's eating Gilbert Group or. 419 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: I saw it then after it, wow, it's amazing. So 420 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 4: then I go to him and I said, look, why 421 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 4: don't you and your dad. I've got enough money to 422 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: give you both business colass tickets. Why don't you come 423 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: down to Australia. Don't commit and I We'll do workshops. 424 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 4: And that's what I've always done, workshops. Leo being Leo 425 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: or Dio as I call him, Dio Cash is in 426 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: the tickets and brings all of his friends with him. 427 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: They fly bucket class, so they all come down and. 428 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 4: So I dress them all up and put them in 429 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: the in the test shootings that we do of this, 430 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: and some of this is actually on the Blu Ray 431 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: and he's amazing at it. But I'm like doing the 432 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: makeup myself and you know, and Don's shooting it and 433 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: all that. So armed with this deal coming down with 434 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: his dad, and I was sweeping through how. 435 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 3: We're going to do it. 436 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: We go back and then they see it and they 437 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: go great, now we're away, except all of a sudden, 438 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: I'm auditioning the red looking for Juliet and I hear 439 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: that like, maybe there's another Romeo and Juliet. 440 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 3: I'm going, no, no, no, no, no, he was for kidding. 441 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 4: I sit down this story. I just can't give it 442 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 4: so epic. Sit down at a restaurant in London. I 443 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 4: hear this guy going, I just got up the phone 444 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 4: and I talked to this guy. Won't say who it is, 445 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: but an executive of Big Studio, and he says, they're 446 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 4: going to splash that boss lerm and crazy television exploding 447 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 4: Romeo and Juliet and do ours another production and like. 448 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: People, you were right there. 449 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 4: He was behind me at a ca the hell and in 450 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: London and he leans back and I don't know it 451 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 4: was you, no, And I'm saying to see him. I'm 452 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 4: sitting I think you're talking about Romeo and Juliet. And 453 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 4: I go, I'm so sorry, did mean to bump into you? 454 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: Right? 455 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 4: I can't tell the rest of the story. It's for 456 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: a book one day and Moto mine is I ring out? 457 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 4: My guys really said yep, but don't worry. They're going 458 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 4: to pay you out. But they want to do the 459 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: other one because it's at the other division of Fox 460 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: and my Robert Newman says to me, you know what, 461 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 4: I'm going to want to not tell bas you said that, 462 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 4: because I know he would not. 463 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: You just give it back to us. 464 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 4: And to his credit, Peter Rice writes this incredible letter 465 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 4: that says, when I passed on another Young Auteurs film, 466 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 4: you told me it was my job to convince you 467 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 4: when something that seemed improbable was worth doing, and because 468 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 4: of that they ultimately stuck with mine. And then that happened, 469 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 4: and then we went down. It was probably the most 470 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: romantic and wild and crazy shooting ever we shot in Mexico. 471 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 4: It was Leo and then Young Claire. Because Leo was 472 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 4: running around, we had our own choppers. And then at 473 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 4: some point I get a call saying, look, does she 474 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: don't want to make this film with Jim Cameron about 475 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 4: a big boat that seems, and they'd like you to 476 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 4: do you think you get Lea to read the script, 477 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: which we do. 478 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: And that's a whole other story. 479 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, now that I'm in the game of clearances, 480 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: oh yeah, in the nightmare of it. Well, last night 481 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: I spent two hours writing in the email trying to 482 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: convince someone to come off a price. How are you 483 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: able to convince Prince to let you cover when Devi's 484 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: crib when he's a notorious no or even. 485 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, like with so tracks twice And in fact, I 486 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: was working with Prince on and look bless his dearly 487 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: departed soul because the man was a beautiful genius. But 488 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 4: he was doing We were working on a piece for 489 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 4: Gatsby for a real long time and just write at 490 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 4: the last minute, just to change the course, and. 491 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: He pulled the Prince. 492 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: It just another story. I can't go into it because 493 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: it take too long. But end up bringing a young 494 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 4: singer called Lana del Ray and st Lana, I really 495 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 4: need a song something like this, she says, come back. 496 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: The fact that radio hit was like third to last. 497 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 3: Yeah on it. 498 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, he knew, he knew exactly right 499 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: before computer blows up. 500 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: There's a book must be written Monday. I love music 501 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 4: and I've worked in it a lot, and my young 502 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: assistant on Romeo and Juliet, we learned to produce together. 503 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 4: We made a little record on which it was a 504 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 4: song called Sunscreen, which really blows up, and I really 505 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 4: learned how to even get on the faders. 506 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: Unfamiliar, you know. 507 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: So then we were preparing for Mulin Rouge and this 508 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 4: whole conceit that came up with Craig Bisness I working 509 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 4: on it. 510 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 3: You know, the poet had to be a genius poet. 511 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: But you know, if you say someone's a genius painter 512 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 4: and you do your own painting, you look at it. 513 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: Is that genius? I don't know? 514 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 4: But if it's Picasso, you go, well, the world says 515 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 4: it is. So it came up with the preposterous conceit. 516 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 4: The preposterous conceit was what if the poet opened his 517 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 4: mouth and saying, the hills real live, the sound of 518 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 4: music silly, but we all go genius, you know. Now, 519 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 4: go back to Romeo and Juliet. When I was writing 520 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: Romeo and Juliet, Peter showed me bitter Rice showed me yesterday. 521 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 4: So randomly the vibe tape that I made haven't seen 522 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 4: it for thirty years, and I realized that I would 523 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 4: cut that vibe tape to Venus as a boy, some 524 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 4: massive attack and the wagner that was from an opera. 525 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 4: The film ends with that wagner, and I went, Venus 526 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 4: is a boy. I gotta find whoever made this music. 527 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 4: That person was called Nelly Hooper. I finally meet Nellie 528 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 4: Hooper the student In no way is some pop producer 529 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 4: gonna make the music. 530 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 3: Romeo and Juliet. 531 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 4: I'm like, well yeah, and not only is it Nelly, 532 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 4: it's Craig Armstrong doing strings, and then it's Marius Devrees 533 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 4: and we create all those tracks. And Radiohead probably they 534 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 4: had talk show hosts had happened, but Radiohead were happening, 535 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 4: and I was sawing to Karen Rackman and I went, gee, 536 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: they've got such a feel. So I ring this young 537 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 4: guy called Tom Yaork remember this, And I'm talking to 538 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: him on the phone and I'm saying, look, we need 539 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: this end song and just talking about it, and he's like, yeah, yeah, 540 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 4: but I'm on tour. And then i'd ring him yeah yeah, 541 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 4: but I'm on tour. I think I've got it. We're 542 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 4: mixing the movie. We're doing the end credits. We have 543 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 4: another song in the end credits. All of a sudden, 544 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 4: I get a tap on the door. Guy runs in 545 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 4: with a dad tape. You might know what that is, 546 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 4: digital tape. Tiny yes, and it says from Tom Debas, 547 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 4: I hope I'm not too late. We've literally put it 548 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 4: in the machinery. We are just doing the final mix. Ok, right, 549 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: the film's definitely locked, but I'm layering in the final mix. 550 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 4: I'll put the tape in and roll it and that 551 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 4: song exit song for a movie cut too. That's how 552 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 4: the yeah cut to check this out. Cut to like 553 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: fifteen years later, I'm talking to Nigel Godridge and later 554 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 4: on Johnny Green. Eventually he just uses my house Sydney 555 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 4: to write a ballet in at some stage. So that's 556 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: how I sort of vaguely know Johnny. But cut to 557 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 4: Godridge tells me there'd been a bit of an argument 558 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: between the guys. I don't want to get into their life, 559 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 4: and Tom was like, that's it, and then goes downstairs 560 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 4: and he goes, oh, I got to write. 561 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: That damn song. 562 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 3: So he's doing it. Johnny Green when comes down. 563 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 4: So doing a bit of basing it, they do that 564 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: song and then they're write the next one, and that 565 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 4: becomes okay, computer, that's the first song. That's what I 566 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 4: was told, told you, I told you these stories are 567 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 4: so long. 568 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: I had this one for the ages. 569 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: I know, I got a book. 570 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so with Mullan Rouge and Gatsby publishing. When I 571 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: watch it, of course, I mom, was, how do you 572 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: clear that? 573 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you that here's the breakthrough. 574 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: Give me the most nightmare story of will. 575 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 4: But let me tell you the break the key, the 576 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 4: key that opens the golden chest. So the idea of 577 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 4: Molin Rouge is the preposterous conceit is that, you know, 578 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: the just genius music comes out of his mouth. We 579 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: decide that the genius music's got to be iconic music 580 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: that you like. Now I didn't just go here's my 581 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: record collection. Let's read the story. Greig Bits and I 582 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 4: and the music team would get spreadsheets and go, well, 583 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: how do we convey love? You know or your song? 584 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 4: For example, Mark Gift is my song and this one's 585 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 4: for you. Great line for a poet, right, and then 586 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 4: you know elephant love Medley. I mean we have beatles 587 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: in that. We have you know, for Collins, we have 588 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 4: you know, Dolly pardon. So I'm going on, I've got 589 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: to stop this because publishing companies are saying, no way. 590 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: Was it expensive. I feel like you were the beginning. 591 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: Oh wait, people. 592 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: See in the power of oh, we can charge. 593 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 4: I have to tell you the magic key. The magic 594 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: is this. I'm like, oh, this is never gonna happen. 595 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 4: Publishing companies are like, this is a grand rite. 596 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: You know. 597 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 4: Sound of music, la la la la. So I think, well, 598 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: the key song right now we need is your song 599 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: by Elton John. So I get a note through to 600 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: Elton John. I fly from Australia. He says, I loved me. 601 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: Of course I want to know all about it. I 602 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 4: fly from Australia all the way to England. I got 603 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 4: a temperature of one hundred and one thousand and I 604 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 4: almost I'm sorry, mister Elton, but I'm so sick. 605 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: I don't want to get you. 606 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 4: See, he gets, don't worry about that done and come 607 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 4: over to see him and just dine and hear about it. 608 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 4: So I come over over the door Nelton, who actually 609 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 4: go on to become a great friend of the family, 610 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: and we even write a song together one day, but 611 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 4: he just goes, I show him the idea. He says, done, 612 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 4: this is the most brilliant, genius idea. I'm going to 613 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: tell everybody to do it. And Elton kind of leads 614 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 4: the charge. And from that horse that got you yep, 615 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 4: And on that moment on, I'm forever grateful to him. 616 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 4: And from that moment on he kind of spreads the 617 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: words and I realize, what you got to do is 618 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: go straight to the artist. And so I just go 619 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 4: straight to the artist. I was so inaminate of David Bowie. 620 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 4: I just he was growing up. Rite to David Baya. 621 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 4: I get a phone call one day, says and he says, 622 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: David Bowie here and he goes, look, I think, which 623 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 4: is mean? 624 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: I kind of like the side. 625 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 4: And it goes, you know, I show him the film 626 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 4: and on one of them he says, well, from one 627 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: translator to another, I think I want to help you. 628 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 4: And then that was it. It was the artist, and 629 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 4: there was never such a thing as a mashup. You know, 630 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 4: if you think of Elevant Love Medley, that didn't exist 631 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 4: because publishers wouldn't allow it. 632 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: So he do molon route. 633 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 4: By the way, shout out to Jimmy Ivan because I 634 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 4: go and see Jimmy Ivan and I got the record 635 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 4: deal with. 636 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: Him, and he goes, you know, I see this guy buys. 637 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: He comes in in his suit and we have tea. 638 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 3: And it's a crazy idea, but I'm going to throw 639 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: the dice. It says, when you. 640 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 4: Know I love Jimmy, I think like Uncle Jimmy, and 641 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 4: I tell you something else amazing. 642 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: He says, hey, by the way, I got this song, 643 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: you might be interested in it. Gives it. 644 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure he gives it to me on a cassette. 645 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: He says, maybe you can use it, and I put 646 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 4: it in see young rapper kid you know from Detroit, 647 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 4: and it goes, my name is, my name is, and again, 648 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 4: well that's really cool. I couldn't find any place for 649 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 4: it though, you know. But then when I wanted to 650 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 4: do our Lady Mama Lade, and I was working there 651 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 4: with this great music supervising team and these two wonderful women, 652 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 4: I had this idea that maybe it should be sung 653 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 4: by like capop was very early then, like one really 654 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 4: great capop artist, one really great say American you know, 655 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: from each country. 656 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: Okay, see yeah, but too complicated. I couldn't get to 657 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: do this. 658 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 4: So we said, well, what about one rapper? And there 659 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 4: was this young ruddy powerse singer called Pink. She just 660 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 4: arrived in and then Christina Aguilera was like the blom 661 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 4: and then we got together with Ron Missy Elliott producing, 662 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 4: got in the studio with Missy's so fantastic. Missy was like, 663 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 4: there was this crazy moment you like this when we 664 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 4: got a rough of it down, Rock is doing her 665 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 4: and we got it, and like we're so excited because 666 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 4: we've got the latest MacBook Pro or something with an 667 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 4: outboard on the disc and Aunt couldn't get the disc going. 668 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 4: Missisico hell with that? She rings hello, this is Missy Elliott. 669 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 4: Leave a message and she puts the song on her 670 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: answering service right and then leaves. 671 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: You know. 672 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 4: So then we work with Ron Fair all of his studios. 673 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 4: Jimmy really put money behind it, and well the rest 674 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: of that song is history because it reigned supreme all 675 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 4: some along. 676 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: I think it's just enough to direct, let alone, script 677 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: supervised write it. I'm certain that you're also in the 678 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: editing process, micromanaging and all that stuff. 679 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: But you also produce your soundtracks. 680 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: Why put yourself through that stress? 681 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 4: Actually the music is probably the most enjoyable part for me, 682 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 4: because you know, writing is so full of deep psychological struggling. 683 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 4: Shout even me writing this. You have high good days 684 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 4: and bad days. The research is. 685 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 3: Amazing that I love. I live it. 686 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 4: I live it like Jean Dark at the moment, I've 687 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 4: taken every step She's ever taken. 688 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: How long do you give yourself time to do research 689 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: before you even start coming up with the script or. 690 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 4: Well, you know how many films I've made. That gives 691 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 4: you some idea. But I could research forever and never 692 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 4: make the movie. You really, yeah, I just love it, 693 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 4: like even now. 694 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, come to Elvis. 695 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 4: Like I had an office in Gracelands for eighteen months. 696 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 4: I lived in the South for like nearly two years. 697 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: Coming, okay, so you developed the Elvis movie. 698 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 4: At the research, for sure, I was living in Memphis 699 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 4: so much and sort of undercover, you know what I mean, 700 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 4: Like we got to crazy music things, and I had 701 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 4: this house and Nashville, and I guess because I'm from 702 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 4: a tiny country town, I can't make films about a 703 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 4: tiny country town. So well, I cool one day. But 704 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 4: I love doing habit worlds, and I love to build 705 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 4: worlds and live inside them. So I build the world 706 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 4: around the world to make the movie. But before I 707 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 4: do that, it has to be within me so much 708 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 4: I literally have to live it. 709 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: So how does Elvis enter your life? 710 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 4: Well, as a kid, his entry was we had the 711 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 4: gas station, and we had restaurant and a farm. 712 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 3: But for a while we rang the local. 713 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 4: Cinema and every Sunday we had a matinee, an Elvis matinee. 714 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 4: So I'd be seeing the movies, you know, the Elvis movies. 715 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 4: And I was ten, but going, this guy's cool. I mean, 716 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 4: yoga is what yoga does. I didn't know what yoga was, 717 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 4: but he just seemed cool. Now, probably those movies aren't 718 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 4: as school as I thought they were. But then later 719 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 4: on in the seventies, I was doing Bored and dancing 720 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 4: and he dropped Burning Love and that song. I got 721 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 4: my grandmother to make a kind of Elvis jumpsuit, and 722 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 4: I'd go when we're doing the competition and say, hey, 723 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,959 Speaker 4: do you think, hey, mate, do you think you could 724 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 4: like drop Burning Love? It will give him being. But 725 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 4: then he sort of, you know, I go on my 726 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 4: life and I open out all sorts of music opera, 727 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 4: and you know the Michaels and the Bowiees and the 728 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 4: you know ac DC's. 729 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 3: I've never had any or interest in all music. He 730 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: was always there. 731 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: And then I think music biography came my way a lot. 732 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 4: But I always think with biography of any kind, it 733 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 4: isn't just ABCD. You use the person's life to explore 734 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: a larger theme. As in Amadaez Amadas you learn a 735 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 4: lot about Mozart. 736 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 3: Is that exactly who Mozart is? 737 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's definitely exactly what jealousy is, 738 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 4: what happens between Salieri, who goes, God, I did everything 739 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 4: right and you put genius in that little pig. 740 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 3: That's what that movie is about. 741 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 4: So I always thought, Gee, if you're going to do 742 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 4: a music bio, pick Elvis's life is such a canvas 743 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 4: for America, for the fifties, the sixties and the seventies, 744 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 4: for the good, the bad, and the ugly. And then 745 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 4: as I learned more and more about Colonel Tom Parker 746 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 4: and the relationship between the great seller, the great carnival 747 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 4: Hucksta who's looking for a carnival act whose name was 748 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 4: never Colonel, never Tom, never Parker, and this kind of 749 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 4: orphan like creature that is Elvis, so unique, so shy, compassionate, 750 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 4: ashamed of his father going to jail, his whole upbringing 751 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 4: in one of the few white houses in the black community. 752 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 4: I took a long time before I found this guy, 753 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 4: Sam Bell. We thought he had passed go down to 754 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: two below. One day I find him and that was 755 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 4: a breakthrough for me, and I made extensive video of 756 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 4: him telling the story about how Elvis grew up in 757 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 4: the community, how his grandparents adored him, and about I 758 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 4: put it in the movie that bit where they run 759 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 4: off to the duke joints in the Gospel tent. I 760 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 4: just put it that bade him in the movie. So 761 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 4: you know this rise and fall, this kind of both 762 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,479 Speaker 4: of them. The Colonel was a genius in his way, 763 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 4: the genius of selling, could sell you on anything, suck 764 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 4: the air out of any room he was in. And 765 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 4: Elvis's genius was the ability to take any song and 766 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 4: make it his own, like in epic that you see 767 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 4: in this footage. We found the way he takes like 768 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 4: a Simon and Garf uncle folk song and turns it 769 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 4: into a gospel power house. I mean, in this film 770 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 4: you get to see him actually doing it because he actually, 771 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 4: like Michael, he would sing the song lines, you know, 772 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 4: and the interpretations. He wasn't just you know, he didn't 773 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 4: have an orchestra coming in, let's do it this way. 774 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 3: He didn't have a star. He came up with the looks. 775 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 776 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say to me, the rehearsals were 777 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: the most fascinating. 778 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: You're revealing part of it, especially. 779 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: When it was just stripped down, when it was just 780 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 2: the rhythm section, and eventually he adds everyone. But even 781 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: in watching the final presentation, when you know, I try. 782 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 4: To count just over seventy six songs, yeah, I just 783 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 4: about one hundred and ten publishings, because as you know, 784 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 4: one song can have length. 785 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: Three Beatles songs. Yeah, also's your friend. 786 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to name, but I mean actually, actually 787 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 4: Paul and Beatles in general very generous towards Elvis. And 788 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 4: you can see now this mythology that Elvers sudden like, 789 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 4: look how much respect and love he has for the Beatles. 790 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: I was shot. 791 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I've read stories about when they 792 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 2: first met each other and all that stuff, but much 793 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: like Peter Jackson's doc of them just sit around rehearsing. 794 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 4: By the way, Peter Jackson so wonderful. I go down 795 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 4: to New Zealand and he and his team work to 796 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 4: bring this imagery back to why it's so astounding on Imax, 797 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 4: I mean it's opening, by the way, on last week 798 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 4: we did amazing numbers. And what was amazing was so 799 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 4: many older folk said, Ooh, I went and saw it 800 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 4: on Imax. I've never been to Imax before. I see 801 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 4: now why it's worth it. But just to be clear, 802 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 4: there is no AI in this film. I know, there 803 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 4: is no visual effect except the effect Elvis has on 804 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 4: his audience. It's just Peter Peter and the love of 805 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 4: restoring footage and being projected at the highest possible quality, 806 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 4: and that's what you're seeing, and you're seeing Elvis. 807 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: Was it shadow on sixteen? 808 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 4: No, So this is why it's so amazing, because the 809 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 4: Beatles just passed. It's crazy, the Beatles stuff with Jake. 810 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 4: By the way, I consider what Peter did with the Beatles. 811 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 4: If you ever want to understand collective creativity, that there 812 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 4: is no higher watermark. That is the best film to 813 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 4: explain how a group of creatives get together and make 814 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 4: something because it isn't made perfect, you know. 815 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 3: It's like I'm Paul going the long a winding. What 816 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 3: do you got for me to doing? 817 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: You know? Right like that? 818 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 4: And then the tensions in the room and all of that, 819 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 4: the music above them all whereas and I think Paul 820 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,880 Speaker 4: someone said this, you know the thing you know, with 821 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 4: with of us, you know, at least we had each other, 822 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 4: we'd be stuck in rooms. But he was on his own, 823 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 4: you know, And so I think the great loneliness. But 824 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 4: I think that you know, Peters stuff has all shot 825 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 4: sixteen mil well we found was animorphic thirty five shot 826 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 4: with kleag lights. Let me explain, there's a thirty five 827 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 4: mel negative. Yes, anamorphic is where they squeeze the image 828 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 4: squeezed by an optical, which means when it expands is 829 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 4: at a higher quality not quite seventy emil but on 830 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 4: the way there and so all of that really primary 831 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 4: stuff of im just on stage, like where people are going, 832 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 4: oh my god, I feel like I'm actually in the concert. 833 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,320 Speaker 3: That plus the work Peter does makes. 834 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 4: It feel I mean, if you've seen it on IMAX, 835 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 4: it's even I don't listen to me. Just go on 836 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 4: YouTube and put in epic and have random Bieble tell 837 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 4: you what that experience. 838 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 3: Who went in very cynically. 839 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 2: I was going to tell you that the first three 840 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 2: minutes even I was like askeful. A bit later, all right, well, yeah, 841 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 2: I saw it was a movie already, so like what 842 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 2: else am I? I'm not going to be moved, And 843 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 2: I gotta say, just the whole creative approach to doing it, 844 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 2: to having. 845 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: Him narrate it. 846 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like the same way that well, I 847 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 2: mean with Aretha's Amazing Greece, there was no narration. It's 848 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 2: almost like you're flying the room and you get to 849 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 2: observe it. But it left me with so many questions 850 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 2: because with his eyes and the thing was. 851 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: You didn't try to clean it up whatever. 852 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 2: Like there were moments where I just absolutely wondered, like 853 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 2: where he was in his life at that time, because 854 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 2: you know, like my introduction to Elvis was almost as 855 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 2: an eight nine year older seeing the white jump suit 856 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: and everything like I saw like comedic, almost caricature. So 857 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 2: I never took that period seriously, seriously, absolutely, and ninety 858 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 2: nine percent of my memory of that period was always 859 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 2: comic bas and I didn't realize how cathartic that performing 860 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 2: was for him at that time period. And so like, 861 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 2: first of all, how many how many cameras were documenting this? 862 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 4: Actually that's really good. I one of the things we 863 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 4: did it was shout out I think I get my 864 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 4: numbers wrong. I'm wrong with numbers on everything else to 865 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 4: the studio when it comes to budget. But it was 866 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 4: shot out of four nights, I think it was four six, 867 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 4: and they was shocked. Why these are anamorphic cameras. So 868 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 4: actually it wasn't like they just put the show out enrolled, 869 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 4: like these are giant cameras with giant lights, which is 870 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 4: why it looks so good. 871 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 3: The image is so good because you. 872 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 4: Got pounding light in there, which I mean sometimes I 873 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 4: had to stop the show and reloading things. And so 874 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 4: that's why the audience is a little bit like, wow, 875 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 4: they're really aware. I mean, Elvis would be riffing between things. 876 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 4: You know, we're making sorry folk women in Hollywood film 877 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 4: the nights, so sorry, you know, but so it's over 878 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 4: four nights. It's cleig lights. But I mean, you know, 879 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 4: what's going in out of focus? Sometimes that's a focus 880 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 4: puller in a manual focus using calculations of numbers to 881 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 4: try and follow him in ECU close ups like this, 882 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 4: they're not blow ups ECU. So they're trying to find 883 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 4: sharps what we call sharps on the eyes. I mean 884 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 4: that is what that's what they call widow making, you know, 885 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 4: that job of focus pulling mechanically like that on a 886 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 4: live show. 887 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 3: I mean, that can take you out. 888 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,959 Speaker 1: I saw no cameramen on stage, so like well. 889 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 4: Every if you look at it, go and see it 890 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 4: again on imax, you'll see we left the cameras in 891 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 4: sometimes you'll see them, you're so that is a testament, though, 892 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,800 Speaker 4: here's a testament to the fact that when Elvis is 893 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 4: on camera, you don't see anything but him, right, but 894 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 4: they're there. You can see them. The sixteen mil you 895 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 4: see guys running around whole after thing. The tour is 896 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 4: shot in sixteen mil. That's more like kind of cinema verite. 897 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 4: That's more like shooting in Vietnam or something, you know, 898 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 4: chasing the subject by the way. Sorry, sorry you said something. 899 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 4: And I would like to see if this is illuminating. 900 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 4: I know why you think about this as a joke, 901 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 4: period and there's absolute ample reason to think that. But 902 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 4: you know, in the film, Elvis says, yes, sir, I'm 903 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 4: going to go to England, I'm going to go to Europe. 904 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 4: I'm going to play Japan. When he goes, he builds 905 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 4: that big show, against everyone's expectations, with all the different 906 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 4: gospel scenes of the big band, with the expectation of 907 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,319 Speaker 4: doing one tour around the States and going on a 908 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 4: global war tour. He does the thing, comes back, he 909 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,479 Speaker 4: does it in Vegas again, goes around, comes back Vegas again, 910 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 4: comes around in Vegas again, Vegars again, as again until 911 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 4: he dies, and really he's like a bird, you know, 912 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,879 Speaker 4: when a bird is hitting a glass window and can't 913 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 4: see the glass. He becomes more and more dispirited. There's 914 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 4: all sorts of reasons. Oh, you know, security, security. I mean, 915 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 4: I touch on it in the film, and. 916 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 3: I really believe. 917 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 4: I can't say it would have ended differently, but I 918 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 4: really believe if Elvis had gone on that tour around 919 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 4: the world. 920 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 2: And he has never left the United States, he went 921 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 2: in there, he went during his service to Germany, wasn't 922 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 2: allowed to sing. 923 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 4: He ran away to Paris three times. And I'm saying 924 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 4: that because we're about to open in Paris, and he 925 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 4: loved Paris. But he never did a world tour and 926 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 4: never say outside the US. 927 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 3: No, he did not. 928 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 4: And I believe that those wings, those musical wings, trapped 929 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 4: inside that golden cage of Vegas, never being able to spread, 930 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 4: certainly wore him down to a point where his spirit 931 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 4: was And what we think of in the white jumpsuit 932 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 4: tends to be year three or year four, or you 933 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 4: know in the movie where he sings unchained melody. 934 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,920 Speaker 3: The body is so corrupt, but the voice still saws. 935 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 4: And the point I'm getting at is the footage we 936 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 4: found is the footage of him at his prime. I 937 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 4: will tell you something that thrilled me yesterday thrilled me. 938 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 4: We randomly play this amazing show on YouTube. Someone plays me, 939 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 4: this smart woman has a show where teens, I mean 940 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 4: young kids like you know, fourteen fifteen, never heard of Elvis, 941 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 4: very diverse crowd. And they, you know, they do that 942 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 4: stuff where they play the film epic and they're reacting 943 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 4: and the kids are you know, they're funny, and oh Elvis, 944 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,759 Speaker 4: they know nothing about him. The first thing they look 945 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 4: at they go, wow, I love these costumes. 946 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,800 Speaker 3: How cool? 947 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 4: He's so on, he's so now, and the passionate singing 948 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 4: and the gospel saying like he's kind of singing gospel, 949 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 4: but it's pop. I mean what they said. Their reaction 950 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 4: boyed me because I realized that when you say that 951 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 4: Elvis had this ability to kind of channel a singularity, 952 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:30,799 Speaker 4: you know, the joke thing that happens happens because of 953 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 4: the spirit being worn down. But in fact, what's in 954 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 4: front of you, I can't tell you. And I'm not 955 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 4: doing this to encourage people to go out this weekend 956 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 4: on which we're on. 957 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, I want them to. 958 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 4: Nineteen hundred spears, But I do, I do, And what 959 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 4: I want is someone who likes Elvis to badger someone 960 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 4: who does has no interest Nevers what's about? Because I 961 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 4: had someone on the interview of me the other day said, 962 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you full I have zero interest in 963 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,879 Speaker 4: Nevers Bresley. In fact, I actually kind of dislike him. 964 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 4: He said, this film's miracle because they come out. I'm converted. 965 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 4: I don't know what's happened to me. I don't know 966 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,920 Speaker 4: what's happened to me. 967 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: Look, I'm from hip hop, you know, we were raised 968 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: on fight the power. 969 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, And it took long for me. 970 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,879 Speaker 1: To just sort of. 971 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,280 Speaker 2: You know, and I thought about it too, like, well, 972 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 2: you know, who's going to tell the Roy Hamilton story 973 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 2: or you know, like you know the people. 974 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 3: Have about Roy. 975 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 4: By the way, listen, I am not here to defend Elvis. 976 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 4: I was very quiet about it in the making of 977 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,240 Speaker 4: the film because I dealt was in a very cold 978 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 4: mechanical way, because I felt, let me tell this. 979 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: Story, let the story speak for itself. 980 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 4: Yes, but I can now tell you I mean the look, 981 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 4: I got all respect to fight the power. But the 982 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 4: artist that said that line in that song has come 983 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 4: on and said, well I just said that, Yes I know, 984 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 4: and I can now tell you I have been with 985 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,600 Speaker 4: enough of black artists, people from the community, you know, 986 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 4: done the work, la la la. If there's one thing 987 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 4: Elvis presently, Look, there's this woman still one of the 988 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 4: great sweets. 989 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 3: Still alive, sent me before message. 990 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 4: But the year before there was a singer whose daughter's 991 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,880 Speaker 4: name was Whitney Houston. And when Whitney met Elvis, she 992 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 4: just went like you know what, he walk in the room. 993 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,720 Speaker 4: You don't say hello, mister Elvis, and you just stare 994 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 4: like I can tell you. Q Tip said to me. 995 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 4: The one thing in the community is there's definitely you 996 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,840 Speaker 4: got to respect the artist. There's no question in the community. 997 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 4: And when it comes to Roy Hamilton, that story is 998 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,759 Speaker 4: not always told accurately. Because Roy Hamilton was dying from 999 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 4: TB or had TB. He was in the same studio. 1000 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,760 Speaker 4: Guys around him said Elvis had never been more nervous 1001 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 4: than when he met Roy Hamilton. He was his idol, 1002 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 4: and he gave Roy a song to record that Colonel 1003 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 4: nobody wanted to give you know her, No, No, I 1004 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 4: think actually another one won't to me, Gloria. I can't 1005 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 4: remember actually, but he's not Don't let Girl. Although I 1006 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 4: love that song. I mean I used to hear done 1007 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 4: Go and think it was always but of course it 1008 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 4: was Elvis channeling Roy, Elvis channeling you know, upper singers, 1009 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,239 Speaker 4: like he says, he says in the darkhout. I love 1010 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 4: the Mexican sound. I love all music, dude. 1011 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 2: Like when I did Summer Soul, my favorite footage was 1012 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 2: watching the fourth camera, which was strictly just the audience reaction. Man, 1013 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 2: I wanted so much more audience reaction because there's one 1014 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,800 Speaker 2: point where you do the perspective of watching the audience. 1015 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 2: I looked and there's four black people in the corner, 1016 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 2: and I mean they're getting down, like yo, this. 1017 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: Is my jam And I was gobsmacked. 1018 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 2: I was like wow, like but just to watch the 1019 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,400 Speaker 2: audience reaction to him, to me, was one of the 1020 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 2: most fascinating revelatory And it's almost like the spectrum of 1021 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 2: every type of person in that audience. 1022 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: Yes, husband's sitting there. 1023 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,160 Speaker 2: Because their wives are like da da da d like 1024 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 2: literally every every spectrum of life is captivated by this. 1025 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,719 Speaker 2: But then there's also like the backstage footage. Okay, so 1026 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 2: before Sammy Davis talks to him, do you know the 1027 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 2: two gentlemen, the two black guys that are speaking. 1028 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: Who are there? Now? 1029 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 4: Let me tell you that because he said you coped 1030 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 4: all my moves, right, And I got to tell you. 1031 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 4: I know, I've had my research Guystom Wigan. I know 1032 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 4: that they were artists of the time and right, but 1033 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 4: let me just explain something about that. By the way, 1034 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 4: that footage has existed before, but the sound hasn't. And 1035 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 4: we found the dialogue, yes, right, Okay, so I've had 1036 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440 Speaker 4: the guys trying to find it out exactly there, and 1037 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 4: forgive me, because I'm sure they're hugely respected artists. But 1038 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 4: we only just started to break down exactly who's in 1039 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,239 Speaker 4: that room, right, because we only just got it right 1040 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,960 Speaker 4: at the end. So but the short answer is, I 1041 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 4: don't actually know, but I've always been amazed in the 1042 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,839 Speaker 4: Elvis goes and then Sammy's gone, You're reving it up, 1043 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 4: you go going and Elvis's. 1044 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: Gone, and you know what Elvis cote to do? 1045 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 3: What when he. 1046 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,560 Speaker 4: Says, I'm Fats. You wanna hear a publishing story? When 1047 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,440 Speaker 4: he says, I'm well, listen to him. I'm Fats Domino. Right, 1048 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 4: he goes on and seeing a Fats Domino song, but 1049 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 4: he sings for about eight seconds and it was so expensive. 1050 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,920 Speaker 4: I went, I can't put it in. But Fats used 1051 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,239 Speaker 4: to make him breakfast in Vegas in the morning. And 1052 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 4: when Elvis never caught himself the king, And in fact, 1053 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 4: I've got it in the movie. 1054 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,839 Speaker 3: We don't have film of. 1055 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 4: It, but it's in the press. When they say you're 1056 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 4: the king of rock roll says I'm not the king 1057 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,399 Speaker 4: of rock and roll, says Fats, come down here. This 1058 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 4: is the king of rock and roll, right, I just 1059 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to defend Elvis in a specific way. 1060 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 4: But Sissy Houston says, there's no way there just wasn't 1061 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 4: says something like, I never ever this idea of him 1062 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 4: having you know, that particular case was back in the fifties. 1063 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,399 Speaker 4: He said, I was never in that town, and anyone 1064 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 4: who knows me, that's not me. And you want my theory, 1065 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,840 Speaker 4: there was a lot of extreme mists trying to separate 1066 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 4: over us from the black community. They were trying to 1067 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,239 Speaker 4: and I think that's where that came from. But that's 1068 00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,280 Speaker 4: just my theory. I've tried to be the devil's advocate. Yeah, 1069 00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 4: but there's just it's the opposite. 1070 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 2: I will say this is probably the greatest case to 1071 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 2: really study it, just to see human moments. The thing 1072 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 2: when he rattles one of the sweet inspirations, like, yeah, 1073 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 2: he's joking with him and okay, so when you're watching 1074 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,480 Speaker 2: all the footage, yeah, is it that loose to the 1075 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 2: point where they don't even have set lists? 1076 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,319 Speaker 3: Okay, let me, I gotta explain something too. 1077 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, And by the way, with the sweets, 1078 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 4: we couldn't put everything in. 1079 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,840 Speaker 3: It took so much labor to get it at this level. 1080 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 4: I got footage of him just in the corner and 1081 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 4: he's sitting there with the sweets and may I just 1082 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 4: he's talking about and so blah blah blah. 1083 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 3: We had to go back. Oh yeah, well they've got it. No, 1084 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,280 Speaker 3: he was with another fella. 1085 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 4: It could have been for anybody's at an office hanging talking. 1086 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: Now, what was your original cut? How long was you. 1087 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 3: Longer? If I say it now, they released the cut? 1088 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 3: Release the cut? 1089 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: Do you have a longer cut? Yeah? 1090 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,040 Speaker 4: We start by ballooning out, but we had to. We 1091 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 4: wanted it to be stay on point. I was telling 1092 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,160 Speaker 4: the story, but I want to explain something. I'm not 1093 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 4: going to say. We have a friend. He's a living musical. 1094 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 3: Icon and yeah, a band actually I know quite well know. 1095 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 4: But we talk a lot about e us because he 1096 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 4: really really interested in was going to do Elvistro himself, 1097 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 4: and he's been a great help. 1098 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 3: He said to me, you know what. 1099 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 4: I used to rehearse my steps like I'd be influenced 1100 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 4: even work with a choreographer. 1101 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 3: Other great. Few icons swim in the fame level of Elvis. 1102 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,879 Speaker 4: We know who they are, but they rehearsed Elvis would 1103 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,479 Speaker 4: get in there rehearse those favorite songs. 1104 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 3: Now, I think you know how funny he is in 1105 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 3: this film, Yeah, and goofy. 1106 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,080 Speaker 1: He has a sense of humor and he's really goofy, right. 1107 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,360 Speaker 4: I think he's doing it because he's so striking to 1108 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 4: look at, and he's so musical. He's disarming everyone. And 1109 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 4: what happens is they never know what he's going to 1110 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,319 Speaker 4: do on stage. Ronnie Tutt no idea what he's going 1111 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 4: to do, so the eyes glued to him, and so 1112 00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,360 Speaker 4: you know, he says early on, he goes, well, I 1113 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,279 Speaker 4: just do what I feel out there. Always have You see, 1114 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 4: he doesn't have steps rehearsed, he doesn't stand in front 1115 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,400 Speaker 4: of mirror. He just gets possessed. He becomes the music. 1116 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,239 Speaker 4: And then in doing that, almost in a religious state, 1117 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 4: he gets all sort of wound up. Everybody else gets 1118 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 4: swept up, and they're all watching him. You don't know 1119 00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 4: how many rounds he's going to do it. The end 1120 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 4: of a suspicious mind. You know he's doing that drum. His 1121 00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 4: body is the conductor. 1122 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: He goes in the punch, yes exactly, yes. 1123 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 4: And the reason he does that is, you know, that's 1124 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,800 Speaker 4: the only way he gets everybody together. 1125 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 3: And but because they're all doing it on stage, the 1126 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 3: audience are having the same experience. 1127 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,640 Speaker 4: So it's a unique stage energy and presence. 1128 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:20,880 Speaker 3: It's unique. 1129 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 2: That's why I said, watching this footage to me, I'm 1130 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 2: watching a human being in his happy place and a 1131 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 2: very cathartic method where it's just because even with Okay, 1132 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 2: I know we're talking a lot of inside pace, Paul, 1133 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 2: Now you guys are going to have to see this 1134 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 2: film so he can see what we're It's almost like 1135 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 2: the director's commentary without the film with you, dude. 1136 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:46,760 Speaker 1: No music. 1137 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 2: The thing that I'm obsessed about, well one is the 1138 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 2: mix sounds pristine. 1139 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,520 Speaker 3: Now. 1140 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 2: I watched it three times. The first time I watched 1141 00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 2: just to count the microphones. The drums are only Mike, Yeah, 1142 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,120 Speaker 2: I let me explain how many tracks. 1143 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,480 Speaker 3: Let me explain. I'll do this. I'll try and do 1144 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 3: this efficiently. 1145 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: Yes. 1146 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 4: So, I don't know if I already said this, but 1147 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,320 Speaker 4: I began by thinking there was this. Ernst Jurgenstein is 1148 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 4: a scientist of all Elvis things. He tells me there 1149 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 4: might be a forgotten reel of the Vegas Show in 1150 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,920 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy I could use in the original film I'm shooting. 1151 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 4: I have the money to send someone literally into the 1152 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 4: salt mines in Kansas City, right where MGM's negatives are kept, 1153 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,440 Speaker 4: because one hundred thousand dollars to go looking for this 1154 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 4: one reel suddenly a bit like Raiders of the Loss. 1155 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: It cost one hundred thousand just to look for it. 1156 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:40,440 Speaker 3: It was expensive. 1157 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 4: It costs money because you got to go down, you 1158 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:43,840 Speaker 4: got to go through the rooms. 1159 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,360 Speaker 3: They kick the door in. That says Elvis or whatever 1160 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 3: that is. I wasn't there. 1161 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 4: I just get photographs and it's not one reel. It's 1162 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 4: sixty five boxes marked Elvis nineteen seventy the tour sixteen mile. 1163 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 4: And at the same time, Angie Markesy at Graysland comes 1164 00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,680 Speaker 4: in to the possession of never before seen emel So 1165 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 4: then we start to scan it, but no sound. 1166 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 3: No sound, Oh, so what are you thinking? 1167 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 4: So first of all we bring it back to Warners 1168 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 4: and it's smelling of vinegar, which means it's about to disintegrate. 1169 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 4: So John o'reben and I convinced Warners to scan it. 1170 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 4: We get it scanned. I do not use it in 1171 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 4: the movie. I finished the movie. What are we going 1172 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,040 Speaker 4: to do with this gold? Put it back in the 1173 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,960 Speaker 4: salt mines. No, we've got to make something special. So 1174 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 4: then we start trying to find the sound. We find 1175 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,840 Speaker 4: mag tape and we'll try and keep it simple. Mag 1176 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 4: tape is when you're doing rough cuts, you use mag tape. 1177 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 4: So that's good because Elvis's vocal mostly almost ninety percent 1178 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 4: is good. The band running tut good, the band pretty 1179 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,160 Speaker 4: damn good. Sometimes bit off mic, but the driving, by 1180 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,640 Speaker 4: the way, fantastic, right, I'll get to that. Sometimes the 1181 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 4: sweets inspiration's not good enough, We've got extra track. Sometimes 1182 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 4: the orchestration badly micd like the orchestra was. 1183 00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 3: The hardest thing. 1184 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 4: So actually the orchestration I couldn't tell, but my guys 1185 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,800 Speaker 4: could because my team had worked on Elvis. 1186 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,640 Speaker 3: Now during the make of Elves Eva McHugh. 1187 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,880 Speaker 4: Who's my mixer, we found two knives you know what 1188 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,400 Speaker 4: neves are, right, Okay, desks and we got so used 1189 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 4: to actually taking original Elvis tracks. By the way, I 1190 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 4: was with RCA, so I had amazing rob Sanschino santos Man. 1191 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,120 Speaker 4: I mean he would give me take sixty and fifty 1192 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,960 Speaker 4: two where Elvis goes boom, and so we start building 1193 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 4: the track but we realize if we make it as 1194 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,160 Speaker 4: if Elvis comes to you in a dream, oh, and 1195 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 4: then breakthrough moment. We open one box and there's a 1196 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520 Speaker 4: Naga tape in it. Nagaria is like you used for 1197 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 4: sixteen mil and it's Elvis talking really unguarded about his life. 1198 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,400 Speaker 3: And then we go, wait, that's what we got to do. 1199 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 3: Get out of the way. 1200 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 4: Let Elvis just tell his story and then we'll use 1201 01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,440 Speaker 4: the music as if it's in a kind of a 1202 01:00:59,520 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 4: dream skin. 1203 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,000 Speaker 3: There's a bit of an interview. 1204 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,880 Speaker 4: You see him and he's very bit tired looking in 1205 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 4: the sixteen mel and he says, look, I'm too tired. 1206 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 4: I'll do this tomorrow. He comes back, I don't want 1207 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 4: me on camera. So this audio is about forty minutes 1208 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 4: of him just talking about his life, but really unguarded 1209 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 4: because he's not on camera. Then starts us going to 1210 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 4: really private collectors who and I respect them, don't want 1211 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 4: even credits in the film don't sell. And we start 1212 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 4: asking them, look, we really need him saying this, have 1213 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,680 Speaker 4: you got this bit? Sometimes there were car park things. 1214 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 4: I got to stop saying this because they reckon I 1215 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,600 Speaker 4: might get whacked. And money exchanged hands there's a huge 1216 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 4: black market in Elvis stuff. 1217 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,120 Speaker 3: I know, and a lot of it was missing. And 1218 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 3: all that. 1219 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 4: We start to build his storytelling now with the music. Yes, 1220 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,040 Speaker 4: for example, sometimes I had to sweeten the orchestrations, so 1221 01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 4: he did that. It's definitely I was his voice the time. 1222 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 4: Sometimes we might have to use the recording, but it's 1223 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:03,320 Speaker 4: off the stage. 1224 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 3: It's I can tell you. His mic technique is like 1225 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,080 Speaker 3: no other. He's never out of Chune. Was never out 1226 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:09,400 Speaker 3: of Chune. 1227 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Was there ever like this before monitors are on stage. 1228 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 3: I never had. 1229 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,280 Speaker 4: He never had monitors. In fact, they used to put 1230 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 4: it through the damn sound system in the thing. 1231 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1232 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 4: I mean, all I can tell you is that's primary material. However, 1233 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,440 Speaker 4: give an example, we have this one bit of him 1234 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 4: singing O Happy Day and the sweets are a bit 1235 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 4: off Mac and we want to do We always going 1236 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 4: what would Elvis do? We want this in like five 1237 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,720 Speaker 4: to one, five seven, you know, like you're there. We 1238 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,680 Speaker 4: wanted Imax, We want the best. So I remember when 1239 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 4: we were doing Elvis the film, being told the story 1240 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,800 Speaker 4: by Sam Bell, how he would sneak into Easttreek Church 1241 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 4: and watch Mahalia Jackson in a black gospel choir, and 1242 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 4: this was so powerful on him. So we thought, well, 1243 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 4: given we can't use that, what if we make the 1244 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 4: dream of Elvis singing O Happy Day come true? Rings 1245 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,600 Speaker 4: Shannon's Saunders who has the cost of a choir in Nashville, 1246 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,160 Speaker 4: and he records our Happy Day and we put Elvis 1247 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 4: and them together. 1248 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:08,919 Speaker 3: So that's a dream beat. 1249 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Nice, all right? 1250 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000 Speaker 4: But some stuff is just straight off the six team. 1251 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,240 Speaker 4: How great they're are, that's straight off. That's straight off 1252 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 4: the desk. 1253 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,040 Speaker 2: Were there any conflicts caught on tape? Because the thing 1254 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 2: is that for me, it's a nightmare one. It's like, 1255 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 2: you got the rhythm section to worry about. But then 1256 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 2: it's two sets of background singers. There's the sweets inspiration 1257 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,880 Speaker 2: and right and his guys and yeah, I see. 1258 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 4: And by the way, they're a vocal group on their own. 1259 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,240 Speaker 4: And then we have Kathy Kathy and she is a 1260 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 4: high soprano. Right, yeah, but anyway, you're right, we've got 1261 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,560 Speaker 4: and we've got you know what, We've got James Burton 1262 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,240 Speaker 4: on guitar, and you know, Ronnie Tat was like, oh 1263 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 4: do I want a drum with Elvis goes in He 1264 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,480 Speaker 4: says this is the coolest guy, I mean, right, you know. 1265 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,320 Speaker 2: The thing I was fascinated was the rhythm sections seem 1266 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 2: like their own club. Yep and Sweet Inspirations seem like 1267 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,000 Speaker 2: their own clubs so tight, and Elvis's Guy seem like 1268 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,960 Speaker 2: their own club. But I rarely see them all as 1269 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 2: a cohesive unit. 1270 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:09,960 Speaker 1: But yet it works. 1271 01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:10,920 Speaker 3: But didn't you see. 1272 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,120 Speaker 4: Look, we didn't put a lot of it in there 1273 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 4: because we had to keep the rhythm moving forward. 1274 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 3: But do you see the bit. 1275 01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 4: Where he's doing no more woa and he starts to 1276 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,440 Speaker 4: sing let's go back to the epedeo there, yeah, and 1277 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,320 Speaker 4: we want to oscillate, and then he sings the top 1278 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:26,280 Speaker 4: line and they follow him, you. 1279 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,160 Speaker 1: See, Yeah, And they just follow him. 1280 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,240 Speaker 4: And that is how he orchestrated. He orchestrated by singing 1281 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 4: the lines. And that was also how everybody was just 1282 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 4: watching his body. I mean, tut will tell you he 1283 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,080 Speaker 4: was just basically watching how he wriggled, you know, and 1284 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,960 Speaker 4: he knew how to bring it in and bring it out. 1285 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:53,280 Speaker 4: And the cohesiveness is Elvis's physical body. That is the 1286 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 4: joining point. He's on stage and by the way, you 1287 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 4: saw the energy you see coming off that screen. Yes, 1288 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 4: by the way, his energy is the same in rehearsals. 1289 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,560 Speaker 3: And by the. 1290 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:06,960 Speaker 1: Way I can tell the difference. 1291 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,160 Speaker 3: He did it three times a day. 1292 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell the difference, could not tell the difference. 1293 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,320 Speaker 4: He was not marking it. You know, rehearsals sometimes people 1294 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:14,560 Speaker 4: just going like, okay, we're doing No. 1295 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,640 Speaker 3: No, he was not marking it. 1296 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,200 Speaker 2: Do you know if there were set lists at all? 1297 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,120 Speaker 2: Because the thing is he calls the songs, Hey, let's 1298 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,440 Speaker 2: do da da da da, And I know they. 1299 01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,600 Speaker 3: Have a nut. 1300 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,959 Speaker 4: By the way, they had a bunch of songs. There's 1301 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,080 Speaker 4: a bit. I think we might have taken it out 1302 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 4: forgive me. Oh no, I think he says. You know, 1303 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 4: they're driving in the back of the car, and I 1304 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,320 Speaker 4: think he goes, you don't quite pick it up because 1305 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:41,760 Speaker 4: we just if we left it in, it's just because 1306 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 4: it was good. And he says, you know what, I 1307 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,720 Speaker 4: called for wash my hands in muddy waters. And they're going, well, 1308 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,160 Speaker 4: they didn't hear me, And he goes, did you tell them? 1309 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? I told him, so did you tell yourself? 1310 01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,680 Speaker 4: They make a joke and they go over it, but 1311 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,200 Speaker 4: you can see a serious he's going, I called for 1312 01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,640 Speaker 4: wash my hands in muddy waters and they didn't hear me. 1313 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,120 Speaker 4: So you what abput When he goes he goes all right, 1314 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,120 Speaker 4: bridge and you'll all see him go like bridge, that's 1315 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 4: a giant climb. But he goes bridge and they're into it, 1316 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 4: maanaa and they're in and I think that's he says it. 1317 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,360 Speaker 3: I don't want he says at the very beginning. 1318 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,920 Speaker 4: You know, for the audience, it's new every night, and 1319 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,560 Speaker 4: I don't want to get comfortable, and I don't want 1320 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:21,200 Speaker 4: them to get comes. 1321 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 3: It's a bit scary. 1322 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,360 Speaker 4: I have stage for it every night, and I don't 1323 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,200 Speaker 4: want them to get comfortable. So, having worked with all 1324 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 4: sorts of great musicians, up and coming, young ones, great icons, 1325 01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,160 Speaker 4: generally speaking, you have the show worked out, you have 1326 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 4: the set list. You might mix it up now and then, 1327 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,120 Speaker 4: but it's tight. No, no, no, this was about to 1328 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:46,080 Speaker 4: quote the man. 1329 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 3: I just do what I feel I always have. 1330 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean you've from starters. I mean this 1331 01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:02,840 Speaker 2: can go on for nine hours. You've covered Shakespeare, fitzgeriald Elvis, 1332 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,000 Speaker 2: hip hop in the Bronx. 1333 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,960 Speaker 3: By the way, one day we'll talk about that. 1334 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:13,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, to say this to you, that whole experience because 1335 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 4: you know, people wandering about Raymond Juliet and there's a story. 1336 01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, I hardly ever make stuff, but 1337 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,480 Speaker 4: that's that journey on doing that. I didn't set out 1338 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,560 Speaker 4: to even do it. I just thought that story should 1339 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,240 Speaker 4: be told, and then I got thrown into it because 1340 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,760 Speaker 4: the only way to do it was, like I really 1341 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:29,720 Speaker 4: really involved. 1342 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,240 Speaker 3: You remember that story, that story? You know that you 1343 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,080 Speaker 3: want to know music. 1344 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,680 Speaker 4: I think in my life by accident, I've covered music 1345 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,240 Speaker 4: from the operating period, music from the thirties, jazz, the 1346 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:47,880 Speaker 4: jazz age music, then from the seventies, right, you know, 1347 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,920 Speaker 4: and with Elvis music from the fifties. You know, Like, 1348 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 4: my life's been a musical history lesson and I'm still learning. 1349 01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,080 Speaker 2: Would you ever challenge yourself to a project that has 1350 01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,760 Speaker 2: new musical elements whatsoever? 1351 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 3: Sure, but it'd be boring for me. 1352 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:15,520 Speaker 4: Hey, we'll do one on to get down one day. 1353 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,719 Speaker 2: The Quest Love Show is hosted by Me Mere quest 1354 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 2: Love Thompson. The executive producers are Sean g Bryan Calhoun 1355 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:30,320 Speaker 2: and Me. Produced by Brittany Benjamin and Jake Payne. 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