Speaker 1: Changing gears a little bit. Our guests is actually email
Speaker 1: the link. Sure something went wrong on his ends.
Speaker 2: Wherever my stuff is right now presently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our guest huge history with you.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: For me, it's just kind of funny because I remember
Speaker 3: being a young whipper snapper and trying to penetrate the
Speaker 3: wrestling world and this guy was the first person to
Speaker 3: bring me and John to show, so a lot of
Speaker 3: history for us as well. We just had him on
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago to talk about a w
Speaker 3: there debut. But I'm just I always love getting PJ
Speaker 3: on because it's always it's just for me.
Speaker 2: It just takes me back.
Speaker 3: To being twenty two, twenty three and quietly sitting in
Speaker 3: a car with him being like.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say anything, stupid hilario.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool to have him coming out with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited about this interview. This should be a
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. So this next guest is a person
Speaker 1: I worked very closely with in the ECW. He's also
Speaker 1: known for his time in WWF is Aldo Montoya, but
Speaker 1: I think he shines more with us. Good friend of mine. Everybody,
Speaker 1: please welcome PJ Bloco, AJB Justin Crapple.
Speaker 4: What's going on guys?
Speaker 1: Anybuddy, how are you.
Speaker 4: Tired running around like crazy? And finally.
Speaker 2: We got another clean shaven guy. What are you and Russel?
Speaker 3: You guys like patting together to shave at the same time.
Speaker 4: I have his show November ninth, right, So I had
Speaker 4: to clean this up because sometimes, you know, I'm getting grays.
Speaker 4: So you know, this way, it'll be grown in and
Speaker 4: I'll be looking like a normal person soon.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm happy to see you.
Speaker 4: Happy to see you.
Speaker 1: Yes, we just had Yeah, we were just talking to
Speaker 1: Vin through so so do you want to you want
Speaker 1: to just start with what you're doing with Vince now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do an aw review show usually every Friday.
Speaker 4: We start off at like ten am and it's all
Speaker 4: through Patreon and you know, we do like ten minutes
Speaker 4: first ten minutes free on Twitch. So it's been a
Speaker 4: really cool experience. I really dig working with him. He's
Speaker 4: really easy. I actually I met Vince back in ninety
Speaker 4: four when he was actually writing for the old WWF magazine,
Speaker 4: so we go back a long way, but I really
Speaker 4: didn't get to know him creatively. We never work together.
Speaker 4: So he's a super cool dude, and then I really
Speaker 4: I really enjoy doing it nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we were just talking a little bit. I
Speaker 1: worked with him one time in TNA and he was
Speaker 1: my agent two thousand and two and that was the
Speaker 1: only time I ever got to meet him. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: such a sweetheart.
Speaker 4: But it's a shamy, you know, he gets such a
Speaker 4: bad rap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were discussing that as well.
Speaker 4: You know, because just recently we talked about on the
Speaker 4: show today a little bit. Because his fans, you know,
Speaker 4: the people that subscribe to his patreon, I think he
Speaker 4: has like we just broke five hundred, which is I
Speaker 4: guess good for what he's doing. And but a fan
Speaker 4: said something to Cody that, you know, Vince was, you know,
Speaker 4: critiquing and criticizing some things on the show, and I
Speaker 4: guess Cody went on like this tirade about Vince so
Speaker 4: and I didn't see it. I don't look I really, guys,
Speaker 4: I do no negativity. I don't read comments not to
Speaker 4: be mean. I just because that'll kill me. I'll you know,
Speaker 4: I get obsessed over that stuff. It upsets me because
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff is false, Like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's amazing that there's one here's one story and I'll
Speaker 4: get back to back on topic. I was doing a
Speaker 4: show Wrestlmingia weekend, uh uh, one of Janella's guys, Black
Speaker 4: Label pro Wrestling, and it was like this crazy battle
Speaker 4: real at the end, small building, like fifty wrestlers backstage.
Speaker 4: I was dressing outside and as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: that day I was with it, my sober buddy, so
Speaker 4: I was not drinking. Okay, that's it for to start.
Speaker 4: But in the in the thing, my whole gimmick was
Speaker 4: a surprise come in cane everybody, and there was no
Speaker 4: direction people were Nobody was talking to anybody, so there
Speaker 4: was no communication. So there's this guy, Frank the clown.
Speaker 4: It was a stage entrance to come into the ring
Speaker 4: and you know, my music hits. He's sitting there on
Speaker 4: the stage doing his shtick. Well, you're burying me right there.
Speaker 4: What am I going to do? Walk past you all kindly?
Speaker 4: You know? So I turn around, I cane lightly, my
Speaker 4: iad might I add? And then nobody in the ring
Speaker 4: was selling for what you know? So what I did
Speaker 4: was I yelled get out of the way, and I
Speaker 4: did it Terry funk. I threw a chair in the
Speaker 4: ring and I unfortunately hit somebody and I guess you know,
Speaker 4: he got hurt, he got cut open. Whatever it was
Speaker 4: on you know me, Francy unintentional. But then those punks
Speaker 4: get to go online and say, oh he was this,
Speaker 4: he was that, And it's real easy to say when
Speaker 4: when that happens. And another instance happened to me recently
Speaker 4: where this promoter, a kid that I was actually doing
Speaker 4: a podcast with that I trusted, Uh, flew me out
Speaker 4: to Cleveland for a show, showed you twenty five people, Yes,
Speaker 4: showed drew twenty five people and drove me to the
Speaker 4: hotel like nothing was wrong, had the balls to come
Speaker 4: pick me up at six in the morning. I was
Speaker 4: ready for everything. Uh, but he said, oh, the flights
Speaker 4: delayed because of something or other. I'm like, well, the
Speaker 4: winds are perfect here, there's nothing wrong in Connecticut. So
Speaker 4: my wife's good at this stuff, you know. I'm like,
Speaker 4: Jill called the airline, see what's going on? Please? She
Speaker 4: calls the airline. There was never a flight even booked
Speaker 4: for my return and I did not only did I
Speaker 4: not get paid a dime for this show, I made
Speaker 4: like a hundred bucks in pictures. If I was lucky.
Speaker 4: I did not get paid. I didn't even have a
Speaker 4: flight home. So then I have to have a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine Western Union me one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And I said no. I told those motherfuckers, you know,
Speaker 4: could we swear? I told those motherfuckers you're driving me home?
Speaker 4: And then and then when I exed him out of
Speaker 4: the podcast, I didn't go public. I don't like to
Speaker 4: air out public shit. I don't like the bury promoters
Speaker 4: that don't pay. Even though you saw what happened to
Speaker 4: me the other day that way too long, I didn't
Speaker 4: go public, you know what I mean? Whatever, and then
Speaker 4: the kids that are driving me home because I wasn't
Speaker 4: returning his calls or whatever, because I gave him like
Speaker 4: a week to make good on the money. I'm like please,
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh tomorrow, and then the next
Speaker 4: day tomorrow. So anyways, so he went on a rant saying, oh,
Speaker 4: he was drunk the whole way home. Hey, what does
Speaker 4: it matter if I am or not? And b you
Speaker 4: just screwed me royally, right. I can defend myself because
Speaker 4: I think it's you know, what's the point, what's the
Speaker 4: point at the end, what I'm saying, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: what it is, you know, And for everything good that's happening,
Speaker 4: it always seems like something bad because I always I've
Speaker 4: tried to get out of the business for a very
Speaker 4: long time, and uh, you know, it's hard when it's
Speaker 4: all you know, A and B. There's some, surprisingly besides
Speaker 4: the Vince Russo thing, there's some other real positive things
Speaker 4: happening so that I can't say. But you know, it's, uh,
Speaker 4: you always have that hope. You know. I'm forty six
Speaker 4: years old. I'm not getting any younger, and I know
Speaker 4: I can't do this much longer, you know so, and
Speaker 4: I quite frankly, I don't want to do this in
Speaker 4: the ring much longer, except for indies because they're fun.
Speaker 4: But I was looking, well, put it this way, I
Speaker 4: was wanting to get into a backstage position somewhere, and
Speaker 4: I got offered to do an in ring angle, which
Speaker 4: I'm not too excited about. Well, no rephrase, I am excited,
Speaker 4: but you know's okay, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're not saying which show is which.
Speaker 4: Your confidence level sometimes dips and you know you don't
Speaker 4: know if you could do it anymore. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be a parody of myself. I mean, but whatever,
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I feel the same way at this point, you know.
Speaker 1: But if they book you, you will come.
Speaker 4: That's the way I look at it exactly.
Speaker 1: So you know, I asked you the other night if
Speaker 1: you were open to talk about anything, and you said
Speaker 1: you would, So you know, I never want to put
Speaker 1: anybody in an uncomfortable position. But you've been up and
Speaker 1: down and been on Twitter, very vocal about it. What
Speaker 1: led to the occurrences. We're backtracking now, but it just
Speaker 1: just I want to hear your side of it because
Speaker 1: I know what I heard, and I know what I've seen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I never really got to hear you well.
Speaker 4: I mean the as far as my addiction and alcoholism stuff.
Speaker 4: That and the jail, the jail time, oh that that yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I got off of opioids. I started
Speaker 4: using opioids like pain pills, like a lot of us
Speaker 4: were around the ECW days, and that carried over to
Speaker 4: WWE and other stuff. You know. I was, I was
Speaker 4: a full blown attic and I went to rehab in
Speaker 4: twenty eleven, paid for by WWE, and I got put
Speaker 4: on this wonderful medication called the box on, which not
Speaker 4: only cuts cravings, but also if you go take a
Speaker 4: pill or whatever, you know, take an opioid, it will
Speaker 4: not work. You will actually does the adverse effect you
Speaker 4: go into withdrawal. So that medication saved my life. I
Speaker 4: haven't taken an opioid since twenty eleven. But then I
Speaker 4: was feeling really good. I got on the DDP why stuff,
Speaker 4: things were going really well, and you know, something in
Speaker 4: me said, well, you know, it's not that bad if
Speaker 4: I have a drink once in a while, right' I
Speaker 4: don't feel dirty having a beer or a glass of wine.
Speaker 4: And my personality as they tell you, you know in AA
Speaker 4: and all that stuff. You know, it took me years,
Speaker 4: but I started to really snowball with it, and that
Speaker 4: led to me just being a full blown drunk, drinking
Speaker 4: day and night. Like I couldn't, Like I didn't even
Speaker 4: want it anymore. But if you didn't, you'd go into
Speaker 4: the horrible DTS and that just call. At the point
Speaker 4: in time, I was living with my father and mother
Speaker 4: and another younger bro had a big home, but you know,
Speaker 4: he was an alcoholic. His girlfriend was living there as
Speaker 4: an alcohol like my wife was living there, and it
Speaker 4: was just a formula for disasters, so they were just
Speaker 4: the first incident was with my father where I just
Speaker 4: I was drunk and we were fighting over money, probably,
Speaker 4: and I specifically said to him, which first of all,
Speaker 4: I love my dad. I would never I've never lived,
Speaker 4: I've never been in a real fight. I'd never touch anybody.
Speaker 4: But I said to him, oh, I'll kill you. Well,
Speaker 4: he called the cops, and that's a threat. So then
Speaker 4: I had a protective order and I had to leave
Speaker 4: the house. So where am I going to go? So
Speaker 4: I get arrested that time, and then every time there
Speaker 4: was an argument or a drunken fueled debauchery, they'd come
Speaker 4: and I'm not supposed to be on the property, gotcha, okay?
Speaker 4: And I spent forty five days in jail because the
Speaker 4: bond was so high the last time. But you know,
Speaker 4: I'm doing programs now, you know, stuff you have to
Speaker 4: do court ordered, but you know it'll be it's all.
Speaker 4: It's all good now, you know that's that's behind me.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And how many things now?
Speaker 4: Oh god, December fourteenth, awesome? Yeah, Yeah, when I went
Speaker 4: when I went to jail, well, yeah, we'll do it
Speaker 4: to you. Brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm super proud of you. Like I said, it happens.
Speaker 1: Things happen. Things happen for a reason. You know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna Probably this was just the way God's telling you
Speaker 1: you're going to come back stronger.
Speaker 4: I believe, so, I hope. I mean, I'm lucky. I'm
Speaker 4: lucky to be alive. Quite frankly, you know, I was.
Speaker 4: I was and not even more most recently, I'm just
Speaker 4: lucky to be alive from the other days. You know,
Speaker 4: I was taking so many pills and so many things
Speaker 4: like in the you know, two thousands, the early two thousands,
Speaker 4: of the late two thousands, I was just I'm surprised
Speaker 4: that I'm here, you know. And that's the whole thing.
Speaker 4: I haven't, Like, I don't touch pills, you know anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because you were. I mean, when we were
Speaker 1: in ECW together, you weren't. You weren't bad.
Speaker 4: I wasn't, but I was cloud like. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 4: I like, I'll never forget. And I don't want to
Speaker 4: mention his name, yo yo, but uh, I was given
Speaker 4: my first oxy cotton and I fell in love, and
Speaker 4: you know that's a major epidemic, you know nowadays two
Speaker 4: it's but and then doctors too, at the time weren't
Speaker 4: handing you because you were you know, we're on TV
Speaker 4: and we're all the you know, they were handing you
Speaker 4: whatever you wanted. So it was and really what had
Speaker 4: happened was when Chris Benoit incident happened. What had happened
Speaker 4: was then all the doctors cut us off. And that's
Speaker 4: when a lot of people secretively in the business they
Speaker 4: probably won't tell you, but you're probably getting them off
Speaker 4: the street. And they were like eighty bucks a pill
Speaker 4: at the time. So one day somebody said to me, hey,
Speaker 4: you ever try heroin. I'm like, no, Well, it's like
Speaker 4: the same as it's an opioid. That's what it is.
Speaker 4: It's an opiate. And they said, well it's a million
Speaker 4: times cheaper. You can get like ten bags for fifty bucks.
Speaker 4: So Mike, okay, I was super sick. And that went
Speaker 4: down that road for a little bit. You know.
Speaker 1: Oh so so that's that you're shooting.
Speaker 4: It snorting it at first?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, it was you know, this is doe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've talked about this before, but you know, I guess
Speaker 4: it's not. I'm I don't mind talking about any of
Speaker 4: this because it's part of wood where I am. It's
Speaker 4: part of recovery, but it's also part of who I am,
Speaker 4: and I feel if I talk about it, you can't
Speaker 4: talk shit about it. Like you know, if I'm being
Speaker 4: honest with you, I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I wanted to ask you, because I've
Speaker 1: heard so many people say so many different things, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like I if I want to know the story,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask PJ. Yeah, I'm not going to listen
Speaker 1: to some schmow. Just tell me what he's doing when
Speaker 1: I know you and I don't know them from Adam,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: But that's that's the funny thing, is from maybe one
Speaker 4: or two isolated instances. I don't talk to many people
Speaker 4: at shows that I don't know. Yeah, I'm real quiet.
Speaker 4: Now well I was always kind of like quiet. But
Speaker 4: uh so it's not like I interact with a ton
Speaker 4: of people anyway, So I don't know where these people
Speaker 4: would get these these ideas or whatever. Again, it's the
Speaker 4: stigma that follows you. It's it's it's what it is,
Speaker 4: and it's unfortunately the way it's gonna be. Like I said,
Speaker 4: you know, I was drunk and hit people with chairs
Speaker 4: and just out of control. And what they say, whatever
Speaker 4: they want. That's why I can't. I can't read it anymore,
Speaker 4: you know, because I'm not half I mean, not to
Speaker 4: lighten my situation, but the way I act professionally. I'm
Speaker 4: still booked every weekend, so obviously I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not doing horrible things to promoters, so you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So I don't know, it is what it.
Speaker 1: Is, switchers, I'm getting depressed. Let want, I want to
Speaker 1: switch hears. Tell me your best time in your career? Well,
Speaker 1: what what would you classify as your best time? I
Speaker 1: know you're a big click guy and you love to click.
Speaker 4: Not so much anymore, not so much anymore. I mean,
Speaker 4: not that, not that I don't you know, I have
Speaker 4: friendships with really only two of them, know, okay, but
Speaker 4: my best time in my career was obviously he c
Speaker 4: W specifically two thousand uh ah yeah when uh, when
Speaker 4: we had that title run and even afterwards when things
Speaker 4: are going bad. Uh. You know, I've heard Paul say
Speaker 4: this on Steve Austin's podcast. Financially if you remember back
Speaker 4: in the day, even the last two pay per views
Speaker 4: we had at the Hammerstein, We're still selling out and
Speaker 4: we were still putting on quality matches, quality shows, quality stuff. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it gets it gets very much glorified that
Speaker 4: ninety five and ninety you know, these years that are
Speaker 4: in people's minds that were so you know, popular, But
Speaker 4: to me, two thousand was was was my best year.
Speaker 4: You know. I got to I got to live my
Speaker 4: dream and be you know, headline pay per views and
Speaker 4: work with you and work with Tommy and I am
Speaker 4: Jerry and so great great people. So and Steve Carino
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 1: I remember the night that we you and I got
Speaker 1: together at the arena, yep. And I remember like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday. I remember poor Jason because oh my god, seriously,
Speaker 1: like we do the zeal And like Hej's in there,
Speaker 1: and we did. We didn't work out anything at the end.
Speaker 1: We were just like playing off the top of her head.
Speaker 1: And I remember my boob was hanging out and when
Speaker 1: I was when I get the Hogan, so I did,
Speaker 1: I have the shirt on and I have to rip
Speaker 1: it open, and of course my boob's hanging out and
Speaker 1: I see Paul going like this on the stage away,
Speaker 1: oh you know, and I cover it and I walk
Speaker 1: over to you and you just grabbed me by the waist.
Speaker 1: And here's Jason on the outside like yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: nobody's paying attention to Jason. And he comes up to
Speaker 1: me later and he's like, did you know this? And
Speaker 1: I said no, what and he goes, you guys are
Speaker 1: phasing me out, did you know? And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I don't know anything. I felt so freaking bad.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I would never ever try to
Speaker 1: push you out of any equation, like this is like
Speaker 1: your deal, Like this is what Paul told me. I
Speaker 1: was going, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was never officially told anything about Jason and I again,
Speaker 4: I was just told. I just sat there and I
Speaker 4: did what I was told, nom and literally. And I
Speaker 4: never got in on the politics, even though Paul sometimes
Speaker 4: would have me come over, you know, like one time,
Speaker 4: and I didn't like it. When when I was working
Speaker 4: with Shane we had that one great match at the
Speaker 4: ECW Arena, and I think you were with Shane at
Speaker 4: the time and I was going over. No, Shane was
Speaker 4: going over. But it was supposed to be like this whatever.
Speaker 4: He had me go over to his room at the
Speaker 4: wherever we were staying in phill I think he was
Speaker 4: at the Marriott, and he called Shane and staying in
Speaker 4: the same hotel and put him on speakerphone for me
Speaker 4: to listen, but did not tell Shane I was in
Speaker 4: the room. And now I've become really close with Shane
Speaker 4: to now, I mean, we're close then, but like I'm
Speaker 4: really I really consider him a friend today and I
Speaker 4: even then, I found it disrespectful because as he's putting
Speaker 4: Shane over, saying, you've got to make this kid tonight's
Speaker 4: then you know, tomorrow night's gonna be the night he
Speaker 4: was doing the franchise ship to him, like mocking him
Speaker 4: while he's talking to him, and I'm sitting here and
Speaker 4: I think my wife was with me too, excuse me.
Speaker 4: And I just found that, like, if he's doing that
Speaker 4: to Shane, what's he doing to me? What's he doing
Speaker 4: to other other people? So you know, so yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: well that's what it is. But I don't like that's
Speaker 4: something that's something that I really truly don't like, and
Speaker 4: it really bothers me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't like that either.
Speaker 4: That's just no, that's just not cool.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I was going to say, everybody keeps talking
Speaker 1: about like my pairing with Shane, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you and I clicked right away as well. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had a really really good partnership. And I remember the
Speaker 1: last pay per view we were forming the new Impact
Speaker 1: Players with Corrino and Jack Victory.
Speaker 4: That's right, I see, I don't remember those storylines.
Speaker 1: Towards the end, we cut a promo and it was
Speaker 1: like the four of Us, okay, and we were just
Speaker 1: cutting this promo and when we were done the promo,
Speaker 1: we all kind of looked at each other. We were
Speaker 1: like it's never gonna happen, like we knew, like this
Speaker 1: is why are we even here, Like it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. But to me, that would have been such
Speaker 1: a cool thing to do because like Corino was such
Speaker 1: a heel, you were such a heel, and like Jack
Speaker 1: in that wheelchair was gold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would have been so fun.
Speaker 1: To be, you know, a team like that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I loved working with you. I'll be honest, Like I did.
Speaker 4: I did do it was it was effortless all the
Speaker 4: That's the thing is people sometimes mistake what E CW was.
Speaker 4: And there were times where things were you know, physically rough,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't as it wasn't what people think. And
Speaker 4: let me and I'll guarantee you this. They they're hitting
Speaker 4: way harder in W W E and in NXT than
Speaker 4: we ever did. Serious. I mean, these kids, they don't
Speaker 4: work anymore. I mean, I see bloody lips, I see
Speaker 4: bloody noses. These kids are just I don't know, man,
Speaker 4: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But I think accidents happened by we. We we say
Speaker 1: it all the time. We literally tried to protect each other.
Speaker 4: We always did. Yeah, we entertained no, and we entertained
Speaker 4: at the same time. You know, we knew how to
Speaker 4: We kind of it all all figured out, all right,
Speaker 4: this is where we get the and Dreamer was real
Speaker 4: good at teaching this to me. This is where we'll
Speaker 4: do this. We'll get this pop here, then we'll get
Speaker 4: this other pop here. So we always knew kind of
Speaker 4: where to layer our stuff. And if you know, there
Speaker 4: was something wrong with me, if I wasn't feeling well,
Speaker 4: we'd figure a way around it. You'd you know, you'd
Speaker 4: help me figure a way around it. We'd just work
Speaker 4: it all out, you know. And I think now in
Speaker 4: the days in wrestling, you don't really I don't think,
Speaker 4: you know, Vincrews and I talked about this today. I
Speaker 4: don't think the guys, a lot of the younger guys
Speaker 4: in the locker room have the respect that we had
Speaker 4: for the veterans. And I certainly see that, like where
Speaker 4: you know, you guys don't know anything. The game is
Speaker 4: changing and we're just going to do our own thing.
Speaker 4: And that may be true. I know the game is changing,
Speaker 4: but uh what, everything that's old becomes new, and everything
Speaker 4: that's new becomes old. So after I'm already like, you know,
Speaker 4: we're week five into our aw review, and I towards
Speaker 4: the end of my note writing at night, I was
Speaker 4: already like, it's like same shit every night, you know.
Speaker 4: You see, I literally do a gimmick now where I
Speaker 4: count how many dives they do and how how many
Speaker 4: apron bumps. It all looks like the same match, and
Speaker 4: how many superkicks there are in a show, and how
Speaker 4: many times somebody slaps their legs. It's all the same match.
Speaker 4: One thing. It's a disappoint and I won't get into it.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm still in that mode. Is the women's
Speaker 4: division really kind of is not good over there?
Speaker 1: And I thought, really, I haven't seen any of it,
Speaker 1: so now no, I don't. I don't watch wrestling anymore.
Speaker 1: I watched the first week of AW I watched the
Speaker 1: first hour, and I saw a little bit of the
Speaker 1: girls match that night, but I never saw the finish
Speaker 1: because I think my kids were come home from school
Speaker 1: and I had to go get them or something. But
Speaker 1: just then turn it back on, like I.
Speaker 4: Can't watch w W E. Yeah, it's it's just too long.
Speaker 4: It's too it's the same stuff. But the one thing
Speaker 4: I do tell the thing I can say about both
Speaker 4: products are good, two totally different styles, you know.
Speaker 1: Totally different styles. Okay, So right, well, I get a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, and you probably get the
Speaker 1: same thing I do. With the network out there, we
Speaker 1: have such a new generation of fans that are watching
Speaker 1: our stuff for the first time. Yes, and it's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, and they're saying how it holds
Speaker 1: up in the year twenty nineteen and how creative it is.
Speaker 1: And then you go and tell me it's the same
Speaker 1: stuff every single week. You know, we never did that
Speaker 1: we had. We you know, there was so much variety
Speaker 1: on our show, and yeah, it's fresh, you know.
Speaker 4: It kept it fresh. And one thing Paul was really
Speaker 4: good at was and you know a lot of the
Speaker 4: best directors are just like that. He made the most
Speaker 4: of what he had. He would find a spot outside
Speaker 4: of a building to do a promo. He did those
Speaker 4: pulp fiction vignettes like that stuff that's still not being
Speaker 4: done today. It's not being utilized. Like one of the
Speaker 4: biggest criticisms I have of AW is unless you followed
Speaker 4: the elite, those guys from before, you're in, you're a
Speaker 4: new fan tuning in, you really don't like, you don't
Speaker 4: know these guys are they? You know, so they're having
Speaker 4: a hard time where Paul would like, you know, everybody
Speaker 4: would have their little stick and promos and not just
Speaker 4: long winded in ring promos where you know, WW does
Speaker 4: like I Talk, you talk and you know, just fun stuff.
Speaker 4: And I think it holds up today. I'm amazed that
Speaker 4: nobody's really tried to uh, I mean people have tried,
Speaker 4: but to try to take some of those elements and
Speaker 4: freshen them up to today. Because what we also did
Speaker 4: was and we couldn't get away with it today because
Speaker 4: the copyrights. But man, that music with the wrestling, you know,
Speaker 4: and it was like it made it cool and the
Speaker 4: buildings were on fire. It looked it was so entertaining
Speaker 4: just from just that whole thing was just it was
Speaker 4: just different. And if you have the money, like an
Speaker 4: ad w or or the w w W, well, you know,
Speaker 4: hell if me and xpop got Uncle Crocker to give
Speaker 4: us a song and they and they were paying for
Speaker 4: it every time that we came out, they paid for it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, why not do a little more
Speaker 4: of that? I think music and wrestling for a long
Speaker 4: time has gone together and it could really make your
Speaker 4: show a little hipper. You know.
Speaker 1: I would sit in the studio and be amazed by
Speaker 1: Paul because he would use all the cool hip artists
Speaker 1: of you know, nineteen ninety six, and we'd be like,
Speaker 1: how are you getting away with it? Don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: don't relax, don't worry. I'm just like, man, this this
Speaker 1: is really cool. But god, if you ever get caught,
Speaker 1: how are we not caught on on on television?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know how we got away with
Speaker 4: it on pay per view was if if it's on
Speaker 4: in the background, like if it's not if it's not
Speaker 4: plugged into the feed, like the direct audio feed, and
Speaker 4: if it's like in the like this in the background,
Speaker 4: you can get away with some of it. Not all
Speaker 4: of it, but you could get away with some of it.
Speaker 1: I did an indie show with Shane not long ago,
Speaker 1: and I recorded it for YouTube and I got flagged
Speaker 1: for the Perfect Strangers. Yeah, I couldn't have it on
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I didn't get monetized. They demonetized that video.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, great, Yeah, I can't even
Speaker 1: put an entrance on YouTube. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Are you really kidding?
Speaker 1: No, that's what it was because I saw that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a little dollar sign and it was had a
Speaker 1: slash through it. Yeah, And I'm looking at the video
Speaker 1: and I said, the only thing I can think of
Speaker 1: is Shane's music. And I think it may have been
Speaker 1: Stevie or somebody I don't know who's music. And I said, damn,
Speaker 1: they flagged me for that Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 4: Who's doing Who's watching all these videos?
Speaker 3: Something in like it literal and this is all above
Speaker 3: our heads. Something in the interface that can read the
Speaker 3: music because I had it happened to me too. I
Speaker 3: posted a full episode of Triple Threat on YouTube and
Speaker 3: I literally have a karaoke version of Perfect Strangers that
Speaker 3: got flagged and I was like, I didn't even know
Speaker 3: what song it was, Like, it's an instrumental karaoke version.
Speaker 4: Come on, wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But if you watch w W now on the
Speaker 1: on the network and they elevator music over all of
Speaker 1: our enters.
Speaker 4: Kills the whole experience, it does.
Speaker 1: It kills, really does sick. But I love the fact
Speaker 1: that that there's a whole new generation stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was talking about this with somebody the other day.
Speaker 4: I don't remember who it was. Who was I with?
Speaker 4: Oh Tatanka Uh didn't appearance with him, and I thought
Speaker 4: you were with him too. It was just the same weekend.
Speaker 4: I believe it was the last weekend. I was with
Speaker 4: him the last day on Sunday and Uh. I think
Speaker 4: they're going to put E. C. W into the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame, but as a faction, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think I think it was well because A, you're
Speaker 4: gonna run out of players and be we really were.
Speaker 4: He were owned by w WE, so they can see
Speaker 4: that'll be a promotional thing. And you can just have
Speaker 4: Hayman go out there and bring out, you know, two
Speaker 4: or three of the e CW you know, and believe me,
Speaker 4: they're gonna they're gonna have all of us out there
Speaker 4: getting rings. But we should. Uh. But nonetheless, I think
Speaker 4: that'll that'll be cool. It's nobody told me it's gonna happen,
Speaker 4: but I think one of these days, sooner than later,
Speaker 4: I think that's that's bound to happen.
Speaker 3: You know, they will quietly do something like that. Like
Speaker 3: there's a thing they do for the like the old
Speaker 3: old timers, like the sixties seventies guy and even the
Speaker 3: fifties and sixties guys that they just.
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere. It's called the Legacy Wing. They just
Speaker 2: brought it out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just pull guys out of left field
Speaker 3: and they just say, oh, well, you're in a Hall
Speaker 3: of fame.
Speaker 4: Now. It doesn't mean nothing to me because it's fake
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean, it's it's not a
Speaker 4: real hall of fame. What I would personally like is
Speaker 4: one of those legends contracts. Oh yeah, because I just
Speaker 4: want I just want an Aldo doll it's the only
Speaker 4: thing I want, because it was like, some guy made
Speaker 4: this amazing, like super super detailed. It looks like it
Speaker 4: would have been a Mattel h right out of the package.
Speaker 4: And I was like, wow, I really And then I
Speaker 4: tweeted the picture and I was like, let's start a
Speaker 4: little campaign because from what Zach Ryder was telling me, like,
Speaker 4: if you get to the right people at Mattel, they
Speaker 4: will pitch you know, wwe on it, because you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of times they're looking for rare figures. They're
Speaker 4: looking for you know, how many Roman range are you
Speaker 4: going to sell? You know, like a France scene Shane
Speaker 4: Douglas set would sell, you know, or just you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, like like a vintage or feud thing
Speaker 4: would sell. I think they're they owned the property already,
Speaker 4: so I don't see why they don't do that because
Speaker 4: after a while, you're you know, you made the free birds.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like really wow.
Speaker 2: If they made a shame figure, I would drop dead.
Speaker 4: I just want I just want some of that fucking
Speaker 4: matel money.
Speaker 1: Well, I think if they do include us in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, I think it would be on Facebook
Speaker 1: Live and not even on the main show. I just
Speaker 1: don't think they care enough about the c W to
Speaker 1: showcase us. That's just my opinion. But you never you
Speaker 1: do never.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I never know because they're they're you know, as
Speaker 4: long as Haymon's there, you never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Anything can happen. But you mentioned Alda Montoya,
Speaker 1: and I know on your Twitter you can either you're
Speaker 1: cutting some messages as Aldo or you will appear as him.
Speaker 1: So are you just yes? So are you getting a
Speaker 1: lot of requests?
Speaker 4: I have done well, I can't say too much, but
Speaker 4: I am not getting I have not gotten any bookings
Speaker 4: yet from other than appearances for all.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, so all right, so you're not have you
Speaker 1: you're not working as him in the ring yet?
Speaker 4: Nobody's asked.
Speaker 1: Nobody's asked, but it's out there.
Speaker 4: I just thought it would have been fun because like,
Speaker 4: you know, why not, like why not? You know, so
Speaker 4: just to you know, another opportunity kind of to to
Speaker 4: get a booking, but not nobody's asked for it. I
Speaker 4: mean I have done a couple with the mask autographs,
Speaker 4: and believe me, the mask that I've got made and
Speaker 4: I got all new gear made is actually way better
Speaker 4: than the crap. They made me so nice.
Speaker 1: So it's out there if you.
Speaker 4: Want to book them. Yeah, it's out there. It's out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, if they want to book you was all dough,
Speaker 1: or if they want to book he was just incredible.
Speaker 1: You'll do double duty if you have to.
Speaker 4: Do whatever, I'll do whatever they want. I'm definitely a
Speaker 4: who well, I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you with your new gig with Vince
Speaker 1: for for an anything coming up that you can't talk about,
Speaker 1: that's that's a positive thing. Works for you.
Speaker 4: No, I mean you know, I'm excited. I will it'll
Speaker 4: It'll be happening soon. Yes, in the next time I
Speaker 4: want to say it's so bad.
Speaker 1: That's okay. You don't have to, but I can use.
Speaker 1: Something's gonna be happening for PJA and.
Speaker 2: A lot to my good lord.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna got a new job at Chile's starting
Speaker 4: in December, so that no shame.
Speaker 1: What's uh? Okay? So where where can we find you
Speaker 1: on social media? Plug whatever you want?
Speaker 4: My Pro Wrestling Teas, Pro Wrestling Teas dot Com, Backslash
Speaker 4: just incredible. I've got four new shirts out right now
Speaker 4: and Twitter at PJ Poloco and Instagram at PJ Poloco
Speaker 4: and I have a Facebook page but I barely go there,
Speaker 4: but if you are interested in booking me, you can
Speaker 4: message me there because I do check my messages with
Speaker 4: Vincerousso yeah, Vince Russo with Patreon on It's patreon dot
Speaker 4: com backslash Russo t w C, which is Truth with Consequences.
Speaker 4: And he's got all kinds of pay windows, like you know,
Speaker 4: if you want to listen to our show for example, specifically,
Speaker 4: it's three dollars a month, you know. So he's got
Speaker 4: all kinds of of packages and he's got good stuff
Speaker 4: there too. He just doesn't talk about wrestling as like
Speaker 4: album reviews and all. He's all over the place with everything.
Speaker 4: So he's, uh, he's got a lot of content, fine worthdry.
Speaker 1: Time, awesome, awesome, Well, proud of you, very proud of you.
Speaker 4: I'm happy everything's going good with you. And I yes,
Speaker 4: I was talking about I was talking to my wife
Speaker 4: about that, and we'll talk about that someday. But I
Speaker 4: don't even remember what it was. I was just so happy.
Speaker 4: I was just saying, I was like, I was so happy.
Speaker 1: Now everybody's like, what are they talking about? You don't
Speaker 1: need to know.
Speaker 4: It made me seriously deep inside. It made me like
Speaker 4: really happy.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad and I do love you, and I
Speaker 1: I hope everything worked out for you. I love Jill.
Speaker 1: I hope everything is going well with her.
Speaker 4: Everything is better.
Speaker 1: And I'll see you somewhere.
Speaker 4: I'm sure we'll see each other very soon. Guys, thank
Speaker 4: you so much for having me. And I really apologize
Speaker 4: because like I'm running like no.
Speaker 2: No one knows you were late, but you're late.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 2: He's apologizing for being such an awesome guest.
Speaker 4: Thanks. That's right, Well, thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So PJ has disappeared from the landscape very quickly. That's
Speaker 3: the fastest I've ever seen anybody disconnect. Uh yeah, we're
Speaker 3: back in real time and just awesome to have PJ on.
Speaker 2: I always love here.
Speaker 3: And what he's got to say being very open, which
Speaker 3: I know is something that you were you were hoping
Speaker 3: for with that that appearance and very good stuff, always
Speaker 3: very very real, and that's one thing you can always
Speaker 3: say about PJ.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And like I said, I you know, I would
Speaker 1: never put a guest on the spot, so I had
Speaker 1: asked him prior, like is there anything off limits, because
Speaker 1: I don't want to make you uncomfortable. He was like,
Speaker 1: I'm an open book. So I wanted him to give
Speaker 1: his side because you know what you hear, and you
Speaker 1: know some people can fabricate things. So we wanted to
Speaker 1: get it from the horse's mouth, and we did well.
Speaker 2: Sand of the horse's ass.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I'm so happy that he's doing
Speaker 1: well now. I mean, you always want to see a
Speaker 1: positive story, and I think he turned his life around
Speaker 1: for the better.