WEBVTT - Francine and Justin Credible relive their INCREDIBLE ECW run 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.360 Changing gears a little bit. Our guests is actually email 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.159 the link. Sure something went wrong on his ends. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.519 Wherever my stuff is right now presently. 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.800 Yeah, our guest huge history with you. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:44.000 You know. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.920 For me, it's just kind of funny because I remember 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.120 being a young whipper snapper and trying to penetrate the 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.800 wrestling world and this guy was the first person to 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.440 bring me and John to show, so a lot of 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.480 history for us as well. We just had him on 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.280 a couple of weeks ago to talk about a w 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.800 there debut. But I'm just I always love getting PJ 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.440 on because it's always it's just for me. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:07.720 It just takes me back. 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.200 To being twenty two, twenty three and quietly sitting in 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:12.399 a car with him being like. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.080 I don't want to say anything, stupid hilario. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:14.880 Right. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.360 Yeah, very cool to have him coming out with us. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.840 Yeah, I'm excited about this interview. This should be a 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:26.000 good one. Yeah. So this next guest is a person 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.720 I worked very closely with in the ECW. He's also 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.240 known for his time in WWF is Aldo Montoya, but 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:39.240 I think he shines more with us. Good friend of mine. Everybody, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.880 please welcome PJ Bloco, AJB Justin Crapple. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:44.960 What's going on guys? 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:46.759 Anybuddy, how are you. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.760 Tired running around like crazy? And finally. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.440 We got another clean shaven guy. What are you and Russel? 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.000 You guys like patting together to shave at the same time. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.880 I have his show November ninth, right, So I had 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.880 to clean this up because sometimes, you know, I'm getting grays. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.040 So you know, this way, it'll be grown in and 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.360 I'll be looking like a normal person soon. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.799 Okay, well, I'm happy to see you. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.079 Happy to see you. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.079 Yes, we just had Yeah, we were just talking to 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.799 Vin through so so do you want to you want 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.919 to just start with what you're doing with Vince now? 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.760 Yeah, we do an aw review show usually every Friday. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.240 We start off at like ten am and it's all 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.840 through Patreon and you know, we do like ten minutes 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.639 first ten minutes free on Twitch. So it's been a 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.280 really cool experience. I really dig working with him. He's 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.480 really easy. I actually I met Vince back in ninety 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.520 four when he was actually writing for the old WWF magazine, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.000 so we go back a long way, but I really 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.079 didn't get to know him creatively. We never work together. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.360 So he's a super cool dude, and then I really 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.360 I really enjoy doing it nice. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.400 Yeah, yeah, we were just talking a little bit. I 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.680 worked with him one time in TNA and he was 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.360 my agent two thousand and two and that was the 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.040 only time I ever got to meet him. Yeah, he's 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.519 such a sweetheart. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.560 But it's a shamy, you know, he gets such a 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:15.280 bad rap. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.280 Yeah, we were discussing that as well. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.960 You know, because just recently we talked about on the 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.960 show today a little bit. Because his fans, you know, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.840 the people that subscribe to his patreon, I think he 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.000 has like we just broke five hundred, which is I 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:35.280 guess good for what he's doing. And but a fan 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.720 said something to Cody that, you know, Vince was, you know, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.560 critiquing and criticizing some things on the show, and I 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.280 guess Cody went on like this tirade about Vince so 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.200 and I didn't see it. I don't look I really, guys, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.800 I do no negativity. I don't read comments not to 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.680 be mean. I just because that'll kill me. I'll you know, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.040 I get obsessed over that stuff. It upsets me because 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.960 a lot of this stuff is false, Like, you know, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.120 it's amazing that there's one here's one story and I'll 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.720 get back to back on topic. I was doing a 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:10.680 show Wrestlmingia weekend, uh uh, one of Janella's guys, Black 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.360 Label pro Wrestling, and it was like this crazy battle 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:18.000 real at the end, small building, like fifty wrestlers backstage. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.559 I was dressing outside and as a matter of fact, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.840 that day I was with it, my sober buddy, so 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.520 I was not drinking. Okay, that's it for to start. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.640 But in the in the thing, my whole gimmick was 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.800 a surprise come in cane everybody, and there was no 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.520 direction people were Nobody was talking to anybody, so there 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.600 was no communication. So there's this guy, Frank the clown. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.680 It was a stage entrance to come into the ring 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.400 and you know, my music hits. He's sitting there on 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.160 the stage doing his shtick. Well, you're burying me right there. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.159 What am I going to do? Walk past you all kindly? 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.520 You know? So I turn around, I cane lightly, my 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.840 iad might I add? And then nobody in the ring 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.440 was selling for what you know? So what I did 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.000 was I yelled get out of the way, and I 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.080 did it Terry funk. I threw a chair in the 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.520 ring and I unfortunately hit somebody and I guess you know, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.400 he got hurt, he got cut open. Whatever it was 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:17.880 on you know me, Francy unintentional. But then those punks 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.480 get to go online and say, oh he was this, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.799 he was that, And it's real easy to say when 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.000 when that happens. And another instance happened to me recently 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.719 where this promoter, a kid that I was actually doing 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:34.480 a podcast with that I trusted, Uh, flew me out 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.800 to Cleveland for a show, showed you twenty five people, Yes, 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:44.200 showed drew twenty five people and drove me to the 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.760 hotel like nothing was wrong, had the balls to come 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.680 pick me up at six in the morning. I was 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.599 ready for everything. Uh, but he said, oh, the flights 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.440 delayed because of something or other. I'm like, well, the 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.279 winds are perfect here, there's nothing wrong in Connecticut. So 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.160 my wife's good at this stuff, you know. I'm like, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.839 Jill called the airline, see what's going on? Please? She 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.000 calls the airline. There was never a flight even booked 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.920 for my return and I did not only did I 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.640 not get paid a dime for this show, I made 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.440 like a hundred bucks in pictures. If I was lucky. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.200 I did not get paid. I didn't even have a 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.920 flight home. So then I have to have a buddy 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.000 of mine Western Union me one hundred dollars. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:24.080 Oh my gosh. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.200 And I said no. I told those motherfuckers, you know, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.120 could we swear? I told those motherfuckers you're driving me home? 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.080 And then and then when I exed him out of 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.200 the podcast, I didn't go public. I don't like to 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.839 air out public shit. I don't like the bury promoters 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.280 that don't pay. Even though you saw what happened to 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.560 me the other day that way too long, I didn't 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.280 go public, you know what I mean? Whatever, and then 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.640 the kids that are driving me home because I wasn't 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.480 returning his calls or whatever, because I gave him like 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.520 a week to make good on the money. I'm like please, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.760 and he was like, oh tomorrow, and then the next 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.120 day tomorrow. So anyways, so he went on a rant saying, oh, 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.400 he was drunk the whole way home. Hey, what does 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.640 it matter if I am or not? And b you 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.560 just screwed me royally, right. I can defend myself because 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.640 I think it's you know, what's the point, what's the 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.480 point at the end, what I'm saying, it's it's it's 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.720 what it is, you know, And for everything good that's happening, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.560 it always seems like something bad because I always I've 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.120 tried to get out of the business for a very 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.080 long time, and uh, you know, it's hard when it's 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:35.040 all you know, A and B. There's some, surprisingly besides 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.480 the Vince Russo thing, there's some other real positive things 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:43.000 happening so that I can't say. But you know, it's, uh, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.360 you always have that hope. You know. I'm forty six 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.040 years old. I'm not getting any younger, and I know 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.720 I can't do this much longer, you know so, and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.080 I quite frankly, I don't want to do this in 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.360 the ring much longer, except for indies because they're fun. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.160 But I was looking, well, put it this way, I 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.280 was wanting to get into a backstage position somewhere, and 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.680 I got offered to do an in ring angle, which 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:12.360 I'm not too excited about. Well, no rephrase, I am excited, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:19.080 but you know's okay, okay, I don't know. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.440 We're not saying which show is which. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.960 Your confidence level sometimes dips and you know you don't 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:28.440 know if you could do it anymore. I don't want 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.840 to be a parody of myself. I mean, but whatever, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:31.720 we'll see what happens. 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.800 Exactly. I feel the same way at this point, you know. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.240 But if they book you, you will come. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.240 That's the way I look at it exactly. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.760 So you know, I asked you the other night if 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.280 you were open to talk about anything, and you said 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.640 you would, So you know, I never want to put 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.440 anybody in an uncomfortable position. But you've been up and 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.760 down and been on Twitter, very vocal about it. What 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:06.559 led to the occurrences. We're backtracking now, but it just 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.400 just I want to hear your side of it because 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.440 I know what I heard, and I know what I've seen. Yeah, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.320 and I never really got to hear you well. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.640 I mean the as far as my addiction and alcoholism stuff. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.880 That and the jail, the jail time, oh that that yeah, 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.480 Like I mean, I got off of opioids. I started 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.040 using opioids like pain pills, like a lot of us 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:37.120 were around the ECW days, and that carried over to 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.679 WWE and other stuff. You know. I was, I was 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:46.000 a full blown attic and I went to rehab in 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.480 twenty eleven, paid for by WWE, and I got put 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.199 on this wonderful medication called the box on, which not 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.520 only cuts cravings, but also if you go take a 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.440 pill or whatever, you know, take an opioid, it will 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.280 not work. You will actually does the adverse effect you 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:07.000 go into withdrawal. So that medication saved my life. I 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:11.320 haven't taken an opioid since twenty eleven. But then I 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.320 was feeling really good. I got on the DDP why stuff, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.480 things were going really well, and you know, something in 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.280 me said, well, you know, it's not that bad if 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.600 I have a drink once in a while, right' I 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.320 don't feel dirty having a beer or a glass of wine. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.520 And my personality as they tell you, you know in AA 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.480 and all that stuff. You know, it took me years, 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:39.680 but I started to really snowball with it, and that 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.360 led to me just being a full blown drunk, drinking 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.600 day and night. Like I couldn't, Like I didn't even 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.040 want it anymore. But if you didn't, you'd go into 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.880 the horrible DTS and that just call. At the point 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.280 in time, I was living with my father and mother 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.320 and another younger bro had a big home, but you know, 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.520 he was an alcoholic. His girlfriend was living there as 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.480 an alcohol like my wife was living there, and it 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.200 was just a formula for disasters, so they were just 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.000 the first incident was with my father where I just 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.320 I was drunk and we were fighting over money, probably, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.600 and I specifically said to him, which first of all, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.720 I love my dad. I would never I've never lived, 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.720 I've never been in a real fight. I'd never touch anybody. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.679 But I said to him, oh, I'll kill you. Well, 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.600 he called the cops, and that's a threat. So then 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.520 I had a protective order and I had to leave 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.840 the house. So where am I going to go? So 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.559 I get arrested that time, and then every time there 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.720 was an argument or a drunken fueled debauchery, they'd come 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.840 and I'm not supposed to be on the property, gotcha, okay? 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.120 And I spent forty five days in jail because the 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.920 bond was so high the last time. But you know, 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.280 I'm doing programs now, you know, stuff you have to 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.040 do court ordered, but you know it'll be it's all. 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.600 It's all good now, you know that's that's behind me. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.440 Yes, absolutely, And how many things now? 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:08.839 Oh god, December fourteenth, awesome? Yeah, Yeah, when I went 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.680 when I went to jail, well, yeah, we'll do it 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:14.160 to you. Brother. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:20.280 Yeah, I'm super proud of you. Like I said, it happens. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.640 Things happen. Things happen for a reason. You know, you're 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.200 gonna Probably this was just the way God's telling you 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:30.560 you're going to come back stronger. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.000 I believe, so, I hope. I mean, I'm lucky. I'm 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.560 lucky to be alive. Quite frankly, you know, I was. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.920 I was and not even more most recently, I'm just 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.400 lucky to be alive from the other days. You know, 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.560 I was taking so many pills and so many things 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.080 like in the you know, two thousands, the early two thousands, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.880 of the late two thousands, I was just I'm surprised 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:57.840 that I'm here, you know. And that's the whole thing. 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:00.800 I haven't, Like, I don't touch pills, you know anything. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.560 Yeah, yeah, because you were. I mean, when we were 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.920 in ECW together, you weren't. You weren't bad. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:13.600 I wasn't, but I was cloud like. I didn't do anything. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.800 I like, I'll never forget. And I don't want to 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.760 mention his name, yo yo, but uh, I was given 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.800 my first oxy cotton and I fell in love, and 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.600 you know that's a major epidemic, you know nowadays two 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.280 it's but and then doctors too, at the time weren't 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.520 handing you because you were you know, we're on TV 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.000 and we're all the you know, they were handing you 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.080 whatever you wanted. So it was and really what had 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:45.640 happened was when Chris Benoit incident happened. What had happened 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.400 was then all the doctors cut us off. And that's 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.719 when a lot of people secretively in the business they 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.920 probably won't tell you, but you're probably getting them off 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.920 the street. And they were like eighty bucks a pill 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:03.560 at the time. So one day somebody said to me, hey, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:08.240 you ever try heroin. I'm like, no, Well, it's like 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.880 the same as it's an opioid. That's what it is. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.480 It's an opiate. And they said, well it's a million 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.280 times cheaper. You can get like ten bags for fifty bucks. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:23.360 So Mike, okay, I was super sick. And that went 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:24.920 down that road for a little bit. You know. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.120 Oh so so that's that you're shooting. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.360 It snorting it at first? 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.480 Oh my gosh. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.840 Okay, yeah, oh yeah, it was you know, this is doe. Yeah, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.200 I've talked about this before, but you know, I guess 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.080 it's not. I'm I don't mind talking about any of 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:46.480 this because it's part of wood where I am. It's 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.400 part of recovery, but it's also part of who I am, 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.520 and I feel if I talk about it, you can't 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.800 talk shit about it. Like you know, if I'm being 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.000 honest with you, I have nothing to hide. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.800 Well, that's why I wanted to ask you, because I've 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:03.760 heard so many people say so many different things, and 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.040 I'm just like I if I want to know the story, 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.800 I'm gonna ask PJ. Yeah, I'm not going to listen 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.520 to some schmow. Just tell me what he's doing when 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.080 I know you and I don't know them from Adam, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:14.360 you know. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.320 But that's that's the funny thing, is from maybe one 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.320 or two isolated instances. I don't talk to many people 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.560 at shows that I don't know. Yeah, I'm real quiet. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.640 Now well I was always kind of like quiet. But 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.120 uh so it's not like I interact with a ton 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.760 of people anyway, So I don't know where these people 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.840 would get these these ideas or whatever. Again, it's the 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.680 stigma that follows you. It's it's it's what it is, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.040 and it's unfortunately the way it's gonna be. Like I said, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.840 you know, I was drunk and hit people with chairs 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.600 and just out of control. And what they say, whatever 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.320 they want. That's why I can't. I can't read it anymore, 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.440 you know, because I'm not half I mean, not to 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.480 lighten my situation, but the way I act professionally. I'm 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.240 still booked every weekend, so obviously I'm you know, I'm 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.640 not doing horrible things to promoters, so you know what 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.160 I mean. So I don't know, it is what it. 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.960 Is, switchers, I'm getting depressed. Let want, I want to 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:20.960 switch hears. Tell me your best time in your career? Well, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.640 what what would you classify as your best time? I 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.640 know you're a big click guy and you love to click. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.480 Not so much anymore, not so much anymore. I mean, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.160 not that, not that I don't you know, I have 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:37.280 friendships with really only two of them, know, okay, but 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.000 my best time in my career was obviously he c 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:49.320 W specifically two thousand uh ah yeah when uh, when 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.440 we had that title run and even afterwards when things 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.520 are going bad. Uh. You know, I've heard Paul say 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.800 this on Steve Austin's podcast. Financially if you remember back 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.120 in the day, even the last two pay per views 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.639 we had at the Hammerstein, We're still selling out and 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.399 we were still putting on quality matches, quality shows, quality stuff. Uh, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.520 you know, it gets it gets very much glorified that 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.000 ninety five and ninety you know, these years that are 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.880 in people's minds that were so you know, popular, But 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.800 to me, two thousand was was was my best year. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:26.520 You know. I got to I got to live my 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.040 dream and be you know, headline pay per views and 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.600 work with you and work with Tommy and I am 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.280 Jerry and so great great people. So and Steve Carino 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:35.920 as well. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:43.200 I remember the night that we you and I got 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.600 together at the arena, yep. And I remember like it 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:53.840 was yesterday. I remember poor Jason because oh my god, seriously, 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.080 like we do the zeal And like Hej's in there, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.399 and we did. We didn't work out anything at the end. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.359 We were just like playing off the top of her head. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.800 And I remember my boob was hanging out and when 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.440 I was when I get the Hogan, so I did, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.160 I have the shirt on and I have to rip 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.639 it open, and of course my boob's hanging out and 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.440 I see Paul going like this on the stage away, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.720 oh you know, and I cover it and I walk 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.040 over to you and you just grabbed me by the waist. 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.359 And here's Jason on the outside like yeah, yeah, and 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.520 nobody's paying attention to Jason. And he comes up to 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.280 me later and he's like, did you know this? And 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.320 I said no, what and he goes, you guys are 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.520 phasing me out, did you know? And I'm like, I 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:46.120 didn't know. I don't know anything. I felt so freaking bad. 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.439 I was like, dude, I would never ever try to 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.119 push you out of any equation, like this is like 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.560 your deal, Like this is what Paul told me. I 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:55.680 was going, Yeah. 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.960 I was never officially told anything about Jason and I again, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.560 I was just told. I just sat there and I 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.719 did what I was told, nom and literally. And I 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.440 never got in on the politics, even though Paul sometimes 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.320 would have me come over, you know, like one time, 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:18.520 and I didn't like it. When when I was working 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.399 with Shane we had that one great match at the 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.520 ECW Arena, and I think you were with Shane at 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:28.280 the time and I was going over. No, Shane was 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.960 going over. But it was supposed to be like this whatever. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.960 He had me go over to his room at the 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.440 wherever we were staying in phill I think he was 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:42.119 at the Marriott, and he called Shane and staying in 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.720 the same hotel and put him on speakerphone for me 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.639 to listen, but did not tell Shane I was in 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.119 the room. And now I've become really close with Shane 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.280 to now, I mean, we're close then, but like I'm 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.560 really I really consider him a friend today and I 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.359 even then, I found it disrespectful because as he's putting 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.520 Shane over, saying, you've got to make this kid tonight's 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.480 then you know, tomorrow night's gonna be the night he 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.080 was doing the franchise ship to him, like mocking him 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.439 while he's talking to him, and I'm sitting here and 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.399 I think my wife was with me too, excuse me. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.560 And I just found that, like, if he's doing that 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.400 to Shane, what's he doing to me? What's he doing 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:28.680 to other other people? So you know, so yeah, yeah, okay, 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.000 well that's what it is. But I don't like that's 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.400 something that's something that I really truly don't like, and 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:36.480 it really bothers me. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.200 Yeah, I don't I don't like that either. 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:40.920 That's just no, that's just not cool. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:41.440 Wow. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:42.080 Yeah. 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:48.000 Well, anyway, I was going to say, everybody keeps talking 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.639 about like my pairing with Shane, but I feel like 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:56.560 you and I clicked right away as well. Yeah, we 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.199 had a really really good partnership. And I remember the 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.479 last pay per view we were forming the new Impact 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.240 Players with Corrino and Jack Victory. 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.520 That's right, I see, I don't remember those storylines. 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.879 Towards the end, we cut a promo and it was 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.320 like the four of Us, okay, and we were just 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.040 cutting this promo and when we were done the promo, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.639 we all kind of looked at each other. We were 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.919 like it's never gonna happen, like we knew, like this 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.479 is why are we even here, Like it's not going 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.800 to happen. But to me, that would have been such 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.880 a cool thing to do because like Corino was such 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.880 a heel, you were such a heel, and like Jack 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.439 in that wheelchair was gold. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.480 Yeah, it would have been so fun. 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:44.480 To be, you know, a team like that. But I mean, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.880 I loved working with you. I'll be honest, Like I did. 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:50.920 I did do it was it was effortless all the 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.399 That's the thing is people sometimes mistake what E CW was. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.240 And there were times where things were you know, physically rough, 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.200 but it wasn't as it wasn't what people think. And 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.919 let me and I'll guarantee you this. They they're hitting 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.840 way harder in W W E and in NXT than 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:11.000 we ever did. Serious. I mean, these kids, they don't 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.960