1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: And we welcome you into episode thirteen of the best 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: podcast available. I'm Jason Gives alongside Andrew Gribble and Gribbs 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Coming up, We've got a big interview today from a 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: national standpoint. The guy that's gonna be doing a little 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: bit more work for us in draft analyst thing. Bruegler 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: uh done some scouting work around the NFL and has 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: maybe the best draft guide period out there. If you 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: want to know everybody from A to Z uh first 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: round all the way to the last player, Mr Irrelevant, 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: Bruegler knows everything about him. He will join us today 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: on the podcast with Nathan's a Girl. Yeah, the big 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: issue with staying at home is you gotta print that 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: thing on your own paper. That's the That's the one 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: one issue with that you got. He's the PDF, but 15 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: it is meaty and he has every prospects covered. We've 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: only had one prospect I think not covered that the 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: Bronze have drafted like the last five or so years, 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: and I believe that was set the valve. I can't. 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: I totally forgot that we have to print that. That 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: is that is a significant development of my life here. 21 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: I do not have a printer capable of doing that. 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: I might have to you need one of those office 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: powerhouses to get that thing out. I mean, it's it's 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: you do. He puts in the work and it's well 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: worth it in it. It really is a lifesaver, not 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: only preparing for the draft, but during and after the 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: draft is when it really comes in handy because when 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: you got to go on the radio and talk about 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, Dane's gonna be your guy. Yeah, no, 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: no question about it. He will join us today on 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: the Bust podcast available, He will join us in a 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He will join us after the draft 33 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: to recap things. So we're bringing Dane in house here 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: for for for the month. Basically, he will be on 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: various platforms including Cleveland Brown's Daily, and we're excited to 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: have him and his expertise. Nathan goes one on one 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: with him and so really really interesting things that come 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: out of that conversation. First and foremost, though, Gribbs, we 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: do have some news, uh answer pertains to the Cleveland 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Browns and it involves the Browns picking up a defensive 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: end and Adrian Claiborne, the the defensive end, entering his 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: tenth season, comes to us from the Atlanta Falcons on 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: a reported two year deal. Uh. We needed some help 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: on the defense. We talked about it, especially at defensive end. 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: And you get a veteran here in Claiborne. Yeah. That 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: the comparison I've made talking about this to some people 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: is he's kind of like the ideal scenario, like your 48 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen version of a Chris Smith Gernard Avery. 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: And I think that that's the that that's what you're 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: hoping for out of him, and that's where he's really thrived. 51 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: And this fills a big need for the Browns. But 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't think you don't it really precludes the Browns 53 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: from doing anything in the draft pass rush related. I 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: still think they need to hammer away at that position. 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: And and ideally, Uh, two thousand nineteen is not a 56 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: good year to compare because the debt, the depth just 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: got destroyed at the midway point of the season. But 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: a player like Claiborne, not only from an on field perspective, 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: but off the field, he becomes one of your oldest 60 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: players on a roster that's one of the youngest in 61 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: the NFL. Uh, it was a good smart signing that 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: I think can really pay some dividends for the Browns. 63 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: It's just an interesting career out of the guy. I mean, 64 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: he had first round pick, was an immediate starter right away, 65 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: compiled a bunch of sacks his rookie year, and then 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: he had season ending injuries two of the next three years, 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: and I think that really kind of held him back. 68 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: But now he's really found a niche in the NFL 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: and he's still going pretty strong. Yeah, and he brings 70 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: that veteran clubhouse leadership, which I think that this defense 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: really kind of needs, is a veteran to kind of 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: stabilize that side of the football team. Yeah. And it's 73 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: it's just an area that probably didn't get enough attention, uh, 74 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: as we talked in February and March, because you have 75 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett and you feel good about Myles and more so, 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you had glaring holes at linebacker and safety, and I 77 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: think that that those the need a pass rusher got 78 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: overshadowed by that. And Uh, this this helps, and but 79 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: I just don't again, I'll go back. I don't think 80 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: the Browns are done, and I think that they need 81 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: to to keep hammering away at this position and give 82 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: yourself some options out of that pass rushing position, and 83 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: hopefully in the draft you stumble upon someone like a 84 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: Gerard Avery that made that kind of impact right away 85 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: as a fifth round pick. I think there's players out 86 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: there that you can find that can help you get 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: depth at that position behind one of the NFL's best, 88 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: and I was Garrett. All right. So if you take 89 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: a look at the needs on this football team going 90 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: into the draft, I think we can all agree, Uh, 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: everybody we've had on you and me talking about a 92 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: weekly the offensive tackle is the number one position of need. 93 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Is defensive ents still the number two. I would still 94 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I would put linebacker because I think that you brought 95 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: in a solid player and b J Goodson, you you 96 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: feel good about mac Wilson. Uh, you're projecting Sei Taki 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: Taki to take a leap uh in in his second 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: year in the NFL. But I still think I need 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: more out of that position on the field. And that's 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: another one that I would see the Browns addressing on 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Day two with either their second round pick are one 102 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: of their two third round picks. I just think you 103 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: need more options and and proven not proven, but the 104 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: players who can you can maybe safely projected this guy 105 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: could be a starter in the NFL. I think you're 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: you're you're treading really dangerously right now with the current group. Uh. 107 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: I think that you have some potential in that group, 108 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: but I just think you need to shore it up 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: with more talent, uh and maybe more experience if you 110 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: can find any other free agents out there. Well. I 111 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: think the other thing when you take a look at 112 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: what Andrew Berry and his staff have done, We've talked 113 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: about the one year deals. This is only a two 114 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: year deal. It's a low camp hit reportedly, and it's 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: not costing the team a lot to bring in some 116 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: quality guys that are, you know, on on a make 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: it break in contract essentially. Yeah, And I think that 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Clayborne is the type of player when you're entering your 119 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: tense season. These are the kind of deals he was 120 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: gonna get no matter what the Browns were were doing 121 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: with all the other one year deals they've got. But 122 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a good strategy. And to me, it's 123 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: almost like Andrewburry is obviously a smart young GM. It's 124 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: like he's maybe found this kind of I don't I 125 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: wouldn't say loophole but just some found found a sweet 126 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: spot with a lot of these guys that he can 127 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: bring in on these kind of proven contracts. And I 128 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: think that really it's working both sides. I think the 129 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: players know they're they're gonna they're gonna bank on themselves 130 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: and hoping for a much bigger payday after one season 131 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: with the Browns, and and maybe they'll come back, maybe 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: they won't. But I think it's benefiting both sides. Uh, 133 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: And I think you're really just adding a lot of 134 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: players that you could maybe count on for this season, 135 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: but maybe you don't have to invest in long term 136 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: beyond two that. Yeah. Well, and and frankly, we're we're 137 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: gonna win now situation you want to win when you're 138 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: on that rookie quarterback contract. Yeah, and then you've got 139 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: and still cap wise, the Browns have a lot of 140 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: room to work. I mean there's, uh, they're they're still 141 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: in kind of like that top ten range of cap 142 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: space available, so a lot of flexibility. And I still 143 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: there are still all the most of the big names 144 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: are gone outside of Jadeveon Clowney, but uh, there's there's 145 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: still some players that you can add to this roster 146 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: to feel even better about it going in training. All right, 147 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: that's what's happening as it pertains to the Cleveland Browns, 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: as it pertains to the National Football League NFL playoff 149 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: expansion is officially I go, and it will be a 150 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: go here in if we play football games in twenty twenty. 151 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the playoff expansion grips what it makes me. 152 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Just look forward to wild card weekend and I think 153 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: that that's great now that you have three games apiece 154 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: on each day, and uh, it was just it was 155 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: just a matter of time. I think the percentages still 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: work out where you're in a pretty safe range compared 157 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: to the other sports where the percentage of your teams 158 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: that make the playoffs, it's right around the same range. 159 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: You're not being ridiculous by getting too many teams uh 160 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: into the playoffs. And really the biggest change with this 161 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: to me is not the seventh team. It's the importance 162 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: of the first of the number one seed in each conference. 163 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: Because a lot of number two seeds have had had 164 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: a nice Coushi weekend the first weekend and they play 165 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: and then they only have to play two games. There 166 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: hasn't been as much of an advantage given to the 167 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: number one seed as compared to the number two seed 168 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: outside of that home game you get in the in 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: the championship game. I just think that that is a 170 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: huge I think it not only affects the postseason, but 171 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: it affects the regular season. I think that it's hard, 172 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: it'll be hard for a number one seed to truly 173 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: lock it that thing up by Week sixteen or even 174 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Week fifteen. So you're not gonna have the amount of 175 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: teams resting players in Week seventeen. I think that most 176 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: teams are gonna have something to play for, whether it 177 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: be seeding, whether it being a chance at a at 178 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: a home game. I just think that really you're changing 179 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: the postseason, but I think you're protecting that end of 180 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: the regular season. Maybe now you can have fantasy football 181 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: seasons go seventeen weeks, because that was the one reason 182 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: you didn't have them go that long. Now it's gonna 183 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: be really hard to just trot out of a team 184 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: of of backups in these games, like we we saw 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that this year. And I don't know 186 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: if that was the driving force, uh in this decision, 187 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: but uh, Week seventeen has just been really weird the 188 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: last few years, and I don't blame those teams are 189 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: for resting guys, but now they're gonna have incentive to play. Yeah. Now, 190 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a great point, playing for seating in 191 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: addition to getting You know that that week won by 192 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: a lot of teams playing for a lot in the 193 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: National Football League. Time now for our interview of the 194 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: day and in the best podcast available, episode thirteen, Dane Bruegler, 195 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: one of the top draft gurus in the business, had 196 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with our own Nathan Zigura. 197 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: The guys uh with a deep dive into the tackle position, 198 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: also the safety position as it pertains to round two 199 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: and who may or may not be there. Joined now 200 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: by a man who needs no introduction but he will 201 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: get one anyway, the draft analyst, expert guru for the Athletic. 202 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at dp Bruegler. He 203 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: is one of our favorites and has been for a 204 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: long long time. Dane Brugler joining us now, Dane, how 205 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: are you doing, man? Doing well? Hopefully everything's going on 206 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: with you too, Nathan, Yes, it is obviously a crazy time. 207 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: We all know that. You usually though at this time 208 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: of year. I have have locked yourself in a room 209 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: to produce what I call the Draft Bible, the most 210 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: comprehensive draft guide on the planet. And I heard rumor 211 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: that this might be coming as soon as next Monday. 212 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: That's the plan. Uh, the editors. I gave all the 213 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: files to the editors. They've got it in their hands. 214 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: We've got three editors dedicated to this right now, uh 215 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: pouring through it and uh yeah, it's I try to 216 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: make it bigger and better every year. And Uh, the 217 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: easiest cell I can make for it is if you 218 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: like draft at all, zero change will be disappointed by this. 219 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: The amount of detail and everything I pour into it, 220 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: over four hundred profiles. Um. So really excited for this 221 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: year's guide. And you know, hopefully Monday. If you have 222 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: your Athletic subscription, you get it free. So really looking 223 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: forward to it. Yeah, that's the way to get it. 224 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Have an athletic subscription, you can get it from Dane. Uh. 225 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: And it is. You don't need to sell it. I'll 226 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: sell it for you. It is the absolute number one 227 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: draft resource on this planet. You want to know at 228 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: something about every player who's picked in the seven rounds, 229 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: every undrafted free agent who signed after that, and then 230 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: people who weren't either signed or undrafted free adance. It's 231 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: all in here in Dane's guide. Their backstory, what they 232 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: did each year in college, what their strengths are, what 233 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: their weaknesses are, the summary, what they project to in 234 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's all in there, and it has been 235 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: the thing that has allowed me to sound at times 236 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: educated when I just pair it what Dane says in 237 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: that draft guide. So if you haven't done so, already 238 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: signed up for the athletic and I'll tell you what, 239 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: just getting the draft guide makes your subscription worth it, 240 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: let alone all the great content you'll get there. So 241 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: let's jump into it. Obviously, for the Browns, I don't 242 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: know that I've seen a mock draft honestly that doesn't 243 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: have the Browns taking a tackle at ten this year. Uh? 244 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: Is this one of the worst kept secrets in the 245 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: football business this year that the Browns are looking to 246 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: get that left tackle of the future to pair with 247 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: Jack Conklin, whom they added in free agency. Well, it's 248 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: almost too perfect the way it lines up. And we've 249 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: been saying this, Uh, you know since the fall, how 250 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: strong this tackle class is going to be at the top. Now. 251 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: It fins out in the second round, third round, fourth round. 252 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: So if you don't get your tackle early, you might 253 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: be in a little bit of trouble. And so we're 254 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: gonna see six, maybe seven tackles go in the first round, 255 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting to see the order they come 256 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: off the board and where they come off the board. 257 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: How many going to top ten? Who's available for the 258 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: Browns with that tenth pick and the Giants picking up 259 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: for the Chargers at six, the Cardinals at eight. Uh 260 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: So there's some land mines in there. You know that 261 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: we have to get through to see who's going to 262 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: be available, But uh, you gotta love the tent's gonna 263 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: be available to me. Jeddrick Wills, he's my favorite tackle 264 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: in this class. Um. I think he's he's just a 265 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: bulldozer in the run game, and I think his athletic 266 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: profile uh really stands up there. He's gonna be a 267 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: plus pass protector in this league as well. Uh, you 268 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: can't argue with Tristan Worth's with what he did at 269 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: the combine matches what we thought going again, just a 270 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: really good athlete. I thought the most important number for 271 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: him was that thirty four the arm length. A lot 272 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: of people were worried about what did he have the 273 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: length to play outside? We have to kick inside the guard. 274 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: This guy's a tackle all day, every day. Um, and 275 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm really excited what he could do in an offense 276 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: like the Browns with a lot of movement, uh some 277 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: of that outside his zones, different things that they do. 278 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: So I think this tackle class really matches up well 279 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: with not only Cleveland's needs, but also just in terms 280 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: of finding the best talent available. Yeah. I think when 281 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: you're a GM and your first draft in your the 282 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: youngest GM in NFL history, as Andrew Berry is, it's 283 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: kind of nice to come and do your first for 284 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: a at this and know that there's a good chance 285 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: the best player available is going be at your biggest 286 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: position of need at number ten, left tackle. You mentioned Wills. 287 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: He played right tackle in college, protecting the blindside for 288 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: two at Alabama, and he concerned at all about him 289 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: being a left tackle in the NFL? Or is he 290 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: is he a right tackle? In your mind? It's certainly 291 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: a projection because we've never seen him do it. Even 292 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: in high school he was a right tackle. He's never 293 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: played left tackle before. So, uh, that is something that 294 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: you know that and that's an area where that's we're 295 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: kind of affected by the virus and everything going on 296 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Without these private workouts, without these 297 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: thirty visits with the players, are able to go to 298 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: the facility, work out with UH coaches and and just learn, uh, 299 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, get to know each other better. XS and 300 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: OS wise, personality wise, a guy like Jagrik Wills, Uh, 301 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, they don't have a chance to run him 302 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: through the wringer of you know, left tackle stance, the 303 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: an initial set up, just different things. That's just muscle memory. 304 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: So now, everything about his athletic profile, about the way 305 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: he moves, the way he acts, tells you that he 306 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: can move the left tackle, but until you see him 307 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: do it, it's always gonna be a projection. So it 308 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: might be one of those things where some teams feel 309 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: stronger about it than others. But I think he has 310 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: all the ability in the world to move to love 311 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: tackle and be just fine. You mentioned worse, and obviously 312 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: his athletic profile the combine was great. He comes from Iowa, 313 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: so you know he's gonna be getting great coaching there. 314 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: In terms of what it takes. Uh, he would be 315 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: number two for you. And you know, Joe Thomas and 316 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: John Greco were on Cleveland Brown's Daily and they love him, 317 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: but they had some concerns about his bend and whether 318 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: or not he was a true tackle. What do you 319 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: see through your eyes when it comes to Tristan Worth's Yeah, 320 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: I think he's a natural athlete. And this is a 321 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: guy who his whole life he's been He's always been 322 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: doing something athletic and wrestling. He was the state champion 323 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: in high school. Uh, and he was a three time 324 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: state champion in the discus and the shot put in 325 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: high school. He's a big time baseball player. He he 326 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: would tell you this favorite thing in sports was always 327 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: hitting a home run. Nothing else, nothing else is better 328 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: than hitting that home run. So this is the guy 329 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: who has always been doing something and really athletic guy. 330 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: I do think that there are concerns. He's not a 331 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: perfect prospect by any means. Uh. He has a bad 332 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: habit of oversetting. He'll put too much weight on his 333 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: outside foot and that will kind of throw everything off. 334 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: He'll misfire with his punch. Uh. You know, his hands 335 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: will start a little bit off either wide or low, 336 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: so there are rooms room for improvement with his angles, 337 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: the way he his body has set up. So I 338 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: think that you know, he's far from a perfect player 339 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: by any means, but when you break down the traits 340 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: you know which you can't coach, talking about the athleticism, 341 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: talking about the body control, uh, just the natural skill, 342 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: I think that he is. He's in that top ten mix, 343 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's the 344 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: first tackle drafted. You look at number four the Giants, Uh, 345 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman, He's got a strong big ten appreciation. I 346 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: could see that working out. But I could also see 347 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: him being available with the tenth pick, and I think 348 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: that'd be a home run pick for Cleveland if you 349 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: work the other two tackles that are talked about to 350 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: the Browns at number ten. McKay Beckton, who is you know, 351 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: a mount of a man six seven. You wonder about 352 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: his ability just naturally because he is so big in 353 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: that wide zone scheme that requires a lot of movement. 354 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: And then Andrew Thomas out of Georgia, who probably had 355 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: the best tape of of these four guys and played it. 356 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: You know, the toughest schedule of these four, but it's 357 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: not for some reason not getting the same love that 358 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: perhaps Will's back then and Worth Star Beckton. It's just, uh, 359 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: it's just different. You know how many people on this 360 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: planet or six seven and a half three sixty five 361 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: pounds and that can move like him. I mean, he's 362 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: just he's a very very rare type of player and 363 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: that shows on the on the football field. Bobby Petrino, 364 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: We'll tell you if they started recruiting him at Louisville 365 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: when they went to one of his basketball games and 366 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: he was doing reverse dunks. He's just a very different 367 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: kind of guy. And so the way he's built, the 368 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: way he moves, just a very light mover for a 369 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 1: guy that size. It's just really impressive. The ease of movement. Um, 370 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: there's just a lot that he can do on the 371 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: football field. He's a people mover in the run game. Uh, 372 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: he can reach block with ease. So I do think 373 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential there in this system specifically 374 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: then with Andrew Thomas, Um, I do think that there's 375 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: a lot to like there. Uh you talk about the 376 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: length he's got thirty six and charms, Uh, he is 377 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: a good athlete. My biggest concern with Andrew Thomas, uh, 378 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: the balance concerns. There are times where you see him 379 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: a little bit off balance, He's on the ground little 380 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: more than you want to see for a guy or 381 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: potentially taking the top ten picks. So, you know, I 382 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: still think he's an NFL starter. I think he's a 383 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: very good player. But if I'm gonna have to stack 384 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: up these four guys, Andrew Thomas is just a little 385 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: bit behind the other three for me. But they're all 386 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: very closely rated. You talk to people throughout the league, 387 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: there is not much separating these guys in the minds 388 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: of NFL evaluators. Would you say that all four of 389 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: the names you just mentioned will be the top tackle 390 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: on some team's board when it's all said and done. Yeah, 391 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: I think so. I yeah, I think you can really 392 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: make a case based on scheme, based off of what 393 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: each team is looking for. Uh. You know, we mentioned 394 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: how Jedrick Wills was the right tackle only in college. Meanwhile, 395 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: you've got a guy like Tristan Worths and McKay Beckton 396 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: who played both uh interchangeably and did just find So 397 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, all these factors go into it uh and 398 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, I would not shock me at all if 399 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: one of these guys is the first tackle drafted and 400 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: one of them is the fourth tackle drafted. I think 401 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: it's it's really split throughout the league. All right, let's 402 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: just go through a hypothetical really quickly and we'll put 403 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: this tackle discussion to bed. But that the Browns Isaiah 404 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Simmons on the clock and they decide they have to 405 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: take him at number ten, and then they'd either move 406 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: in late in the first round or the in the 407 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: early second round. They're looking at that next group Josh Jones, 408 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, Ezra Cleveland, et cetera. Or if they get 409 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: an offer, somebody's there at tend that nobody expected to 410 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: be and they can offer, they can't refuse to move 411 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: back down. What tell us about that second kind of 412 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: group of tackles. I will say this, and I'm going 413 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: a little bit out on the limb saying this, but 414 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: the least surprising draft day trade out of all the teams, 415 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: in my opinion, would be the Browns moving back for 416 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland. I think that hits a lot of what 417 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: this organization could be looking for. You're moving back you're 418 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: getting an extra pick U premium pick somewhere probably on 419 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: day two. Uh, you're moving back and you're getting an 420 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: offensive tackle who uh tested off the charts. Uh tested 421 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: really well. He's got really good tape and in terms 422 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: of football character, the coaches just they they won't shut 423 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: up about him. Uh. This and anybody watching his film 424 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: Ezrare Cleveland has to keep in mind he had um 425 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: a turf toe injury and the season opener of this 426 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: past year he missed one game. He played through the 427 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: entire year. They had a prime off the practice field 428 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: just to try to keep him fresh. Uh, this is 429 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: a guy that's a football lifer. The coaches rave about him, 430 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: and oh yeah, he he's testing was outstanding as well. 431 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: So to me, if it'll be interesting if one of 432 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: those tackles is available at ten but also they get 433 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: an offer to move back, say ten spots. Uh, that's 434 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see which direction they would go. 435 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: It would be tough to pass on one of those 436 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: top four tackles, but also I think it'd be tough 437 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: to pass on uh moving back and adding another day 438 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: to pick while also maybe going back for a tackle 439 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: that I think that they really like as well. So 440 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland. I mean, the last name is cool and all, 441 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: but the main reason, uh, you know, they could just 442 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: put Ezra on the back. You already got Cleveland on 443 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: the front, so uh, just do it that way, So 444 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: I I would not be surprised at all. That's how 445 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: I played out UM. And there's some risk there because obviously, 446 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: if you're moving back ten spots, you don't know who's 447 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: gonna be there. Ezra could go eighteen nineteen and you 448 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: just miss out on him. So I think you have 449 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: to be comfortable with Austin Jackson from usc UM, who 450 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: is just very young, very I don't think he's ready 451 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: to start right now, but the potential, the upsides off 452 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: the charts and uh. And then Josh Jones, who's a 453 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: little bit of the opposite. He's a fifth year senior. 454 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: He's had four different or five different offensive line coaches 455 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: over his time at Houston, which I think really stunted 456 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: his development. But he's really put it together as a senior, 457 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: so I think he's on the upswing. His trajectory is 458 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: telling you he's going to be an NFL starter in 459 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: this league. So a lot to like about all three 460 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: of those guys, and again that's seven to apples, which 461 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: it's just crazy to think all are gonna go in 462 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: the first round, but good chance it happens. All right, 463 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: let's take let's say the Browns do come out of 464 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: the first round with the tackle, we look into the 465 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: second round. I think some of the biggest needs on 466 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: this team, although they just signed Adrian Clayborne, so maybe 467 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: that pushes defensive end down the list a little bit, 468 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: but still that could be a spot where you can 469 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: get a good pass rusher. Pick forty one, Well, let's 470 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: start with that edge group there. Uh, one guy that 471 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: I love personally, You're turd Grossmatos out of Penn State. 472 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: Is there any chance he's there or is he he 473 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: looking like a first round talent to you? I think 474 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: there's probably better chance he goes in the first round 475 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: just because he plays the right position. He's a pass 476 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: rusher and those guys always go pretty quickly. Uh, he 477 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: might not go in the top twenty, but I think 478 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: somewhere between he's somewhere in that mix. Um, but I 479 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm with you, he's really intriguing with the know the size, 480 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: the windspan, the athleticism. Um, you know, he's not. He's 481 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: more of that leggy guy who can bend a little bit, 482 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: you can move inside. He can give guards trouble because 483 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: he can lean into them and create that movement just 484 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: with his his length, in his his momentum, that first 485 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: step get off. So there's a lot to like with him. Uh, 486 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting with you have Chase Young obviously at 487 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: the top, and then I think give a little bit 488 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: of a drop off. I think Claibon Chason is gonna 489 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: be that second pass rusher drafted somewhere in the top 490 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen picks. Uh, and then you have a little 491 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: bit of drop off again and then gross Monto's um 492 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: a j. Panessa's in there, which he's tough to figure 493 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: out because he's more of the heavy handed, uh savvy rusher. 494 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: He's not going to wow you with his athleticism. He's 495 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: not gonna uh threaten the corner on a consistent basis. 496 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: But he could be there and that would be an 497 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: interesting fit, uh if they want to go in that direction. Uh. 498 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: Josh j from Michigan another name I think to keep 499 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: on the radar. A lot of teams think he could 500 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: go in the late first round. Uh, because he's there's 501 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: a lot of untapped potential there. His going at Michigan. 502 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: He his snap count rose every single year, and he 503 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: got better as as time went on, and so I 504 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to like there. But he's still 505 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: a little rob probably best in a three or where 506 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: you can stand up and do some different things. Um, 507 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: after that, we're talking Trill Lewis Alabama, Curtis Weaver from 508 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: Boise States. So you know, this pass rush class, there's 509 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: a lot of different opinions about after Chase Young, you know, 510 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: with the order and then you know how many actually 511 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: should go into the top fifty picks. I think if 512 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: you're looking at again a need and where it just 513 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: might fall, it seems that in a lot of these mocks, 514 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: the early second round is where you can get a 515 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: darn good safety prospect, and there certainly are a few 516 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: of them in this class. And I want to throw 517 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: one name match early, Grant Delpitt, who it seems like 518 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: had he been come out, you know, or was draft 519 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: in the draft after the two thousand and eighteen season, 520 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: would have been a first round pick. And now coming 521 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: out after this year didn't have as good of a 522 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: year as a little bit banged up, maybe it could 523 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: be a steal in the second round. And I liken 524 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: it to another L s U guy that ended up 525 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: with the Browns and Greedy Williams two years ago probably 526 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: would have been a first round pick and then the 527 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Browns end up getting him in the second. But start 528 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: with Grant delpit and then some of the safeties you'd 529 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: have an eye on there early in the second round 530 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: for the Browns. Yeah, And I've made that same comparison 531 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: because with Greedy Um, you know, you you go back 532 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: to his junior year at L s U. Say, you know, 533 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: mid season October, we're talking about Greedy Williams as a 534 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: top fifteen guy. Uh. And then as the season went 535 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: on and he you know, kind of fell off a 536 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: little bit all of a sudden. Okay, well he might 537 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: not go in the first round, and then I don't 538 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: know how many people saw him landing in Cleveland in 539 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: the second round getting that far. And similar with Grant 540 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: Delpit Um coming into the year top ten pick, had 541 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: a just a terrific sophomore season. Uh. But this year 542 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: the ball production fell off, the mis tackles went up. 543 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: Part of it is there's no question dealt with an 544 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: ankle issue the entire year. Part of it is you 545 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: just you worry about the tackling technique. I think he's willing, 546 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: but you know he there are some teams that will 547 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: not draft him the first three rounds. I've talked to 548 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: some teams that just they don't want nothing to do 549 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: with them because he can't tackle. Uh, the mistackles. If 550 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: you're a missed, if you have if your safety and 551 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: you are missing tackles, you're considered a liability. And so 552 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: there will be some teams who, in terms of what 553 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: they're looking for the position, will not draft Grant delp 554 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: at that high, which could end up being a steal 555 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: for another team who maybe could look past a few 556 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: of the mistackles, thinking he can get better in that area, 557 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: but also banking on the cover awareness, banking on the range, 558 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: banking on those ball skills, and so with Grant Delpit 559 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: Uh it could be a repeat of last year with 560 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: Greedy Williams. Uh falling to the mid second could be 561 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: similar with Grant Delpa. Wouldn't be surprised. The one guy 562 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: that I do have my eye on for the Browns 563 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: in the early second round, Jeremy Chin at a Southern 564 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: Illinois who's really interesting as a corner background played free safety. Uh, 565 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: great ball skills. He had at least three picks each 566 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: of the last four years now coming from the FCS level, 567 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: obviously a little bit of a projection. But this guy 568 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: is he's long, he's range e, He's a long striding athlete. Uh. 569 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: You love the wingspan. You love the way that he 570 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: his aggressive mentality against the run to widen his feet 571 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: and he'll attack on contact to be a shirt tackler. Uh. 572 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: There are times where he's caught guessing, maybe a little 573 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: bit too much. I think that the football instincts are 574 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: still developing. He's still getting through there. But the range, 575 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: the length, the closing burst, I think he's got versatility 576 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: with what you asked him to do. Uh, there's a 577 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: lot to like about Jeremy Chin would not be surprised 578 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: at all if he ends up going somewhere in the 579 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: top forty picks. I think the Browns could be on 580 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: that shortlist. Absolutely. I think it is a position. Need 581 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: one other name I'll throw out to you. At the 582 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: safety position, Antoine Winfield Jr. Who seems to be gaining 583 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: a lot of buzz and you're seeing him starting to 584 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: go now in the in the late first and a 585 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: lot of these marks. Yeah, he's tough because he's he's 586 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: so small, and that's you worry about the lack of length. 587 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: Do you worry about the size? You know his dad 588 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: obvious he was able to overcome it, and he was 589 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: a pro bowler for a lot of years at corner. 590 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: But it's a different NFL. It's a different uh time, 591 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: in a different era in the NFL. So, um, being 592 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: a safety is a little different than being a corner 593 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: as well. Um. And it's funny, he had uh eight 594 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: pass breakups this year seven interceptions, so he only got 595 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: his hand on one football this year that did not 596 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: end at an interception. I don't know if that's a 597 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing or that's an impressive thing. It's 598 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: just it's it's kind of strange. You don't see that 599 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: very often. So he's got a nose for the football. 600 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: No one would question that. It's just canny overcome the 601 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: lack of length. Uh. You know, when he's going up 602 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: against some of these tight ends in this league, is 603 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: he going to be able to match up physically if 604 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback puts it in a perfect spot. There's you 605 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: can't do anything about it, and so, uh, Winfield, I 606 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna go in the first round, to 607 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: be pretty surprised. I do think he has a chance 608 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: to go in the top fifty, just to the right, 609 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: if it's the right team, the right situation. But I 610 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: also I was talking to someone yesterday, actually a scout, 611 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,239 Speaker 1: who said, you know where where we put him? If 612 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: his last name is Smith and not Winfield, you know, 613 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: do we still give him that extra bump up the 614 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: draft board. I don't know. That's that's a question obviously 615 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: will never know, but um, it is something interesting to 616 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: think about. Back to Jeremy chin really quickly, who's your 617 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of comp for him? Who who does his game 618 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: for those who haven't watched much of his college tape, 619 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: who does his game in the NFL? Who do you 620 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: think it would resemble? Maybe a little bit of a 621 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: bigger like Malcolm Jenkins, because he's just so versatile, you know, 622 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins being a corner at the house State comes 623 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: to the league and he's a corner, He's a Nicols. 624 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: It's safety, does a little bit of everything. Um, and 625 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: I think Jeremy Chinn can do that as well. Obviously 626 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: doesn't come from a school known for producing big time 627 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: talent UH like that, coming from Southern Illinois the FCS level, 628 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: but it's still he has the range, he has the size, 629 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: UH talking to him, and he seems like he's the 630 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: mentality as well. UM So that needs a lot to 631 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: like about Jeremy Channis. It is not hard to sell 632 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: a team and a guy like that, especially after what 633 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: he tested big six three to twenty. There was a 634 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: linebacker numbers. He runs a four four five vert uh 635 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: eleven six and the broad jump so really impressive Chin 636 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: from from start to finish. He has the career resume. 637 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl was very good, the combine was great. 638 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: So he's trending in the right direction. Do you think 639 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, given everything that's happening, is going to 640 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: give the Lions and the Bengals uh an advantage on 641 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: some level because they're really the only team that's gotten 642 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: to be around people and have that substantial time with 643 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: them because you can't have the visits anymore. And you know, 644 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: for a small school guy, especially like Chin, that exposure 645 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: is gonna be big. But some of those smaller school 646 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: guys aren't gonna get any exposure and probably be impacted 647 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: with this process. Yeah, and there's no question because yeah 648 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 1: that you hit on it without these dirty visits. Uh. 649 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: That that's that's a big piece of the process that's missing. 650 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I hear for all the time from 651 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: fans saying, well, you know, we have all the tape. 652 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, these guys should be able to draft, and 653 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: and they can. You know, it's just when you rely 654 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: on those dirty visits as a way to bring in 655 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: players to get to know your coach is better. Uh, 656 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: you know XS and oose wise get to know him better. 657 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: That's just it's a missing piece to the puzzle that 658 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: is important. And you know it's I especially feel for 659 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: the non combine guys. Every year we have about thirty 660 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: five ish uh, non combined guys get drafted every year. 661 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: This year it'll probably single digits because without those dirty visits, 662 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: teams can't bring in the noncombined guys to get to 663 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: know them better. And it's not just to get a 664 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: known better. It's the medicals. At the combined we got 665 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: all those medicals done, uh at the thirty usiness, that's 666 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: when they can get medicals done for some of the 667 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: thirty business. The guys that weren't the Combine this year, 668 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: we don't have that, and so that that's the biggest 669 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: piece of the pie that that's missing. It's in really 670 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: unfortunately the guys that didn't have a chance to go 671 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,239 Speaker 1: to the Combine. Now if they were at an All 672 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: Star Game, that'll help, but still it's still uphill climb 673 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: for those guys. Yeah, it's certainly. It's a situation none 674 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: of us have ever dealt with before. And we'll see 675 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: how it impacts the draft coming up here at the 676 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: end of the month. I want to go last position, 677 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: kind of a big need for the Browns, you know, 678 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Christian Kirkseygne, Joe Shobergne. They drafted Mack Wilson, who played 679 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: a lot last year. They drafted Siona Taki Taki, and 680 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: the third they brought in b J. Goodson. But you 681 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: have to think that's a position that maybe they want 682 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: to buttress with a veteran but potentially in the draft. 683 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: But you don't hear about a lot of off ball 684 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: linebackers in this particular draft class, Dana, and I'm wondering 685 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: if there are any of note that people should be 686 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: aware of you know, on Day two or day three. Yeah, 687 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: I really do like the linebackers. Um on day two 688 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: of this draft. I think that's kind of a sweet spot. 689 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna see a few go in the first round 690 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons obviously, and then Patrick Queen, Kenneth Murray, Um, 691 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: Zach Bond might get in that late first if if not, 692 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: he's early second. But I really do like some of 693 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: the options. I think Keem Davis Gaytor, he's kind of 694 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: the poor man's Isaiah Simmons because he's he's really long, 695 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: he's a good athlete, a little bit of a tweener. 696 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: What is he where you're gonna play him? But he's 697 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: really talented, and so I think he's gonna go come 698 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: off the boards somewhere and that uh, maybe second round, 699 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: maybe early third round. Jordan Brooks from Texas Tech flying 700 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: a little bit under the radar because he was hurt 701 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: a little bit. So we didn't get a chance to 702 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: see him at the Senior Bowl, but we did see 703 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: him at the Combine. He looks back close to his 704 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: old self. Um, he can fly, he's got great range. Um. 705 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 1: So I really like Jordan Brooks. Um Lee Harrison from 706 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: Ohio State, one of the best run defenders at the 707 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: linebacker position in this draft. Uh, and I think he's 708 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: shown enough at athletically where you have you feel good 709 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: about him growing into a better coverage player. And then 710 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: Logan Wilson from Wyoming. Uh. Those would be my my 711 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: four or four favorite linebackers on Day two. Maybe throw 712 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 1: Willie Gay in there from mis CP State as long 713 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: as you're okay with the character. Um, I think he's 714 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: He's a guy with who has he yet to play 715 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: his best football. So five guys right there who I 716 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: think will go on Day two who could be filled 717 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: that offlinebacker role and it should be on the Browns 718 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: radar alright. Talking with Dame Brugler obviously and Dane this 719 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: has been sensational stuff. A couple final questions here to 720 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: wrap it up. Number one would be what following free 721 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: agency has caused the biggest change to your mock draft 722 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: Wherever you've seen kind of the biggest shifts based on 723 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: some of the moves, either whether it be free agent 724 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: signings or in the case of Arizona where a lot 725 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: of people thought they were gonna go receiver and round 726 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: one they get DeAndre Hopkins, and now they're now a 727 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: threat to take a tackle and round one, right, And 728 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: I always thought a tackle was the direction they should go, 729 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: uh to protect their their quarterback and and you know, 730 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: and give him more time back there, keep him from 731 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: just having to scramble as much. But hey, you know, 732 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: we never know. They can still go receiver, and if 733 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: they do, it tells you Cliff Kingsbury's in charge over 734 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: there getting more help for that offense. But no, I 735 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: I think that there's probably a better chance they go 736 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: uh somewhere are offensive line or defensive line. If Derrick 737 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Brown is there, I think they'd love to add that 738 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: nose tackle a guy that can help stabilize their front, 739 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: whether it's three man or four man. Uh, when they 740 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: go multiple, I think that's certainly a direction that they 741 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: could go. I think when you talk about the free agents, 742 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: we always go back to the quarterbacks, right, And so 743 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: seeing where Philip Rivers goes and landing in Indianapolis, Uh, 744 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,439 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you know, thirteen, you thought 745 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: maybe it could be a trade up at Indianapolis when 746 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks. Could they trade back, could they 747 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: may be trade up in the first round for one 748 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks. And the same thing with Tampa Bay 749 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: with getting Tom Brady. Um, I think that if you're Tampa, 750 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: you can't really be thinking about two years from now 751 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: and add you know, you could maybe add a Jordan 752 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: Love at fourteen overall, and you have your succession planned 753 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: in place for quarterback, but you didn't sign Tom Brady 754 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: thinking about two years from now. You're you. You signed 755 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: tom Brady thinking about this year and next year, going 756 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: for it. And so they're gonna add somewhere out fourteen 757 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna help them achieve their goals for two, uh, 758 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: not thinking about two two. So I think some of 759 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: these quarterback the quarterback carousel where some of these guys fell, 760 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I think that affects kind of how we're looking. Wouldn't 761 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: be surprised at all. Tampa looks too maybe leap frog 762 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: the Jets and the Browns to get in the top 763 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: ten for one of these tackles. They need to stabilize 764 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: the right tackle spot help their quarterback. Uh. So that's 765 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: a direction I could see them going. Uh. And it's 766 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: at all is affected by tom Brady going there. You 767 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: still feel pretty good about Burrow too, uh and Herbert, 768 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: which it seems like he's a tailor made for the 769 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: Chargers and coming out of the common at least, I 770 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: felt like I did last year with Daniel Jones and 771 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: the Giants, that that was the one rumor where it 772 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: just seemed like there was too much smoke for it 773 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: not to end up being true. But you still think 774 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in the top ten going in draft probably, 775 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: but two is just he's a wild card. And you 776 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: know he was a wild card before all this, but 777 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: now with no workout, no pro day for him, no 778 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: medical recheck. It just comes down to each team's appetite 779 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 1: for risk. And it's gonna be different for the Dolphins, 780 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: the Chargers, you know, whichever team. Uh, you know, you 781 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: just don't know. And so I would think that all 782 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,800 Speaker 1: three are gonna go somewhere a top seven. Um Burrows 783 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: going one. Uh you know, if you're the Dolphins, you 784 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: you make the offer, you make them say no. They're 785 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: going to say no in terms of a trade. Um 786 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: and then who the Dolphins preferred five Um. I said 787 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: this at the combine, and I still believe this would 788 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: not be surprised at all if her Burger Love is 789 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: a second quarterback draft and just really comes back to 790 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: TWA and the medical questions and each team's appetite for risk. 791 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: It's going to be different from team to team. So 792 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: then you have the Chargers sitting there obviously at six, 793 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: Uh do they feel more strongly about one or the other? 794 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: So uh that there's gonna be plenty of intrigue uh 795 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: leading up until draft day. I don't think we're gonna 796 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: have a great feeling about which quarterbacks going first? And 797 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: then five six Dolphins Chargers, which is gonna make it 798 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fun on draft day. It certainly is. 799 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: And Dane, this is a lot of fun here for 800 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: this kind of analysis that you can read. We know 801 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: we've got we're all, we're all socially distancing, we've got time. 802 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: We've got to read to get his draft guy drops 803 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: on the Athletic this Monday. Follow him on Twitter at 804 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: dp Brugler. So, Dane here, it is the final question 805 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: of the day, ideal scenario, your picks two names ten 806 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: and forty one for the Browns, what would make you 807 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: make you the happiest? Tristan worse at one? And then 808 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: I think Jeremy Chinnett too. I think both of the 809 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: great fits. I think they make sense. Um, Not only 810 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: do do I like that? I think it's very realistic 811 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: for how Cleveland could be looking to attack this first 812 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: two rounds of the draft. It might be a change 813 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: to my my next mock at Cleveland Browns dot com. 814 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: I love the Indian's hat in the background. Love talking 815 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: with you, Dane, always the pleasure. Thanks so much for 816 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: your time anytime, Thanks Nathan, Thanks to day Brugler for 817 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: his time. Thanks to Nathan's a growth for stepping in 818 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: for us and doing an outstanding job as always. Uh. 819 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,919 Speaker 1: Some really good insight there, GRIBs, especially when it comes 820 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: to the safety is available in the second round, the 821 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 1: offensive tackles and maybe trading out of that number ten 822 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: spot for to move back for a guy like Ezrare Cleveland. 823 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: One are the chances that this Browns team moves out 824 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: of number ten but not for one of the top 825 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: four offensive tackles that are out here in this draft. Well, 826 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: I I certainly thought that that's been a possibility, and 827 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: I think that that possibility increased honestly out of after 828 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: um the activity of free agency and the likelihood now 829 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: it seems that more of these offensive tackles are going 830 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: to be off the board by the time the Browns 831 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: get at number ten. I mean, I think it. I 832 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: think it's a real good possibility if you have one 833 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: of the top four remaining when the Browns are on 834 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: the clock, so that means three offensive tackles are off 835 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: the board and that fourth remaining guy doesn't make sense 836 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: for your offense or it doesn't make sense for for 837 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: how the team evaluates the position. So if they're not 838 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: in a position where they have to take that guy 839 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: at that spot, then I could see them fielding offers 840 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: and maybe opening it up to to a team that 841 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: might be trying to move up for even maybe a 842 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: Derrick Brown defensive tackler, Javon Kin Laws, some someone that 843 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: they think they can only get at that number ten spot. 844 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: And then you move back to maybe a safe enough 845 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: range where you think you could get maybe the guy 846 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: that you feel is a great fit in the Stefanski 847 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: offense and a great fit for your organization long term, 848 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: whether it's Josh Jones out of Houston, Austin Jackson out 849 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: of USC, or as your Cleveland at a Boise State. 850 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that that is the move you make, 851 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: and it's the smart move you make. If you are 852 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: evaluating these tackles in a way where that fourth available 853 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: guy isn't the guy that makes sense for your team. 854 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 1: I think it. I just think it's going to be interesting. 855 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: It scares me to move back because there are no 856 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: guarrantees that the guy you want or the guys you 857 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: want are going to be there when you pick again. 858 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,959 Speaker 1: So why not just go grab the guy you want 859 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: right at number ten, no matter where their ranks and 860 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: who has a ranked wear And that was that was 861 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: a decision and discussion that had to be happening in 862 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: the draft room in two thousand eighteen when the Browns 863 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: are on the clock at number four for Denzel A. Ward, 864 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: because I think that they probably believed that they could 865 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: have maybe moved back a spot or two to maybe 866 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,919 Speaker 1: grab a Denzel Ward, but they stuck with that spot 867 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: in the draft and didn't want to risk it and 868 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: grab the guy at number four, even though most people 869 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,959 Speaker 1: didn't expect Denzel Ward to be in them before picking 870 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: the draft. So maybe that is maybe the Browns do 871 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: go with someone outside that top four because that's just 872 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: not how they see it. And I think that we've 873 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: just been so absorbed in these mock drafts that are 874 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: really a lot of group think with a lot of 875 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: the offensive tackles, and maybe that's reflective around the league 876 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: and how they evaluate this position, but maybe the Browns 877 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: or some other teams view these guys in a completely 878 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: different way. Look at the last years draft with how 879 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: high the Raiders took Cleveland Ferrell, the pass rusher that 880 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: most people had going in like the late first round, 881 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: they take him early in the draft. I just think 882 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: there's always a surprise or two, and so we can't 883 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: we can't lock ourselves into thinking, oh, if Andrew Thomas 884 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: is there and he's the last guy available, the brown 885 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: is just gonna go ahead and take him. I think 886 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 1: that that's something that we just can't believe is going 887 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: to happen, just because we've seen so many mock drafts 888 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: with it at that point. Yeah, great point indeed, especially 889 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: looking back on that two eighteen draft when it pertains 890 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: the Denzel Award. Alright, time for the silly season to continue. 891 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew with a mock draft out this week. 892 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: NFL mocked two point oh for Drew. Um. I didn't 893 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 1: even know where to begin with this. I just threw 894 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: it out there. For discussion. First things first, you never 895 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: say never, especially when it pertains to the Bengals picking 896 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: at number one and what they may or may not do. 897 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: But taking just and Herbert with the number one overall 898 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: pick might have blown my mind when it happened, you 899 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,919 Speaker 1: know there again. First off, I'm gonna say I'm gonna 900 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: go out on a limb and say, Maurice Jones Drew 901 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: is the best podcast available listener because he has followed 902 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: my advice. You want to get attention, you want people 903 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: to to follow your mock drafts, you want people to 904 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: book you on the radio shows. You have the anti 905 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow take, because no one's been willing to do it. 906 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: He goes out on a limb and not only has 907 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow not going first, but going fifth. The only 908 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: counter argument I can make to say why Herbert to 909 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: the Bengals is not like the craziest possibility is that 910 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: they coached him at the Senior and maybe maybe something 911 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: happened where that that they saw this guy in the 912 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: in the on the white board, and they got all 913 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: got to know this guy, and they they think that 914 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: this is the guy that they want leaving their franchise 915 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: again I don't think that's going to happen, but that 916 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: would be the argument for it happening. I mean, the 917 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: other argument would be something goes wrong if if they 918 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: were to start negotiating on a contract. Although but it's 919 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: a rookie deal and the rookie deals basically set, so 920 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 1: it comes down to what are you getting guaranteed money wise? 921 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: What are you getting signing that that's a pre thing. 922 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that was the Sam Bradford was like 923 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: the last beneficiary of the stupid money contract. But Burrow 924 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: has been calling his shot in terms of you better 925 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: keep a j. Green, you better keep this guy, you 926 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: better keep this guy. And I just wonder if at 927 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: some point the Bengals go, yeah, we've done a lot 928 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: here and maybe we don't need to follow your it 929 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: would be the I mean, it would be one of 930 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: the you don't get stunners anymore in the In the draft, 931 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: I feel like the last time I was surprised by 932 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: the number one pick might have been Mario Williams. Was 933 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: that surprising, And even that was one of those where 934 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,440 Speaker 1: it broke before the draft because they were working on contracts, 935 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: But that was that was the last time I was 936 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: genuinely stunned by the number one pick because I don't 937 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: think many people were talking about Mario Williams being the 938 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: number one pick leading up to that draft. No, not 939 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: at all. That was the whole Reggie Bush. The contract 940 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 1: negotiations went south and they said, we're not going to 941 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: deal with this. So, uh, he's got two ugoing number 942 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: two and if on the Redskins, I am totally open 943 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: for business. If the Bengals take anybody, uh except the 944 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: quarterback on las Hewing Burrow. Uh they have the Chargers 945 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: moving up to number two to take two. Uh. I 946 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: can't imagine what that would cost. The Giants make a 947 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: trade with the Lions for Chase Young. I don't why 948 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,439 Speaker 1: would the Giants move up. They're gonna get a star 949 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: player one way or the other here. Yeah. I mean 950 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: it's just especially with the Giants too, because I just 951 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: they like the gentleman, likes to stick to where he is, 952 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: doesn't like really moving around all that much. I would 953 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: say he'd be happy to them before. I would more 954 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: see the Giants going back then moving up. Yeah, he's 955 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: got Chill Burrow going at number five to the Dolphins. 956 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: And if I were the Dolphins, they'll be partying for 957 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: days once. I mean, could the could the Lions pass 958 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: him up at number four? I mean that's I mean 959 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: they're really gonna take Derek Brown over Joe Burrow. I 960 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: mean that that would be I mean, how how would 961 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: you not trade that pick? Or you take them over 962 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford and trade Matt Stafford. You're taking Derek Brown, 963 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: And with all due respect, Derek Brown is a good 964 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 1: football player. He's the top defensive tackle. But you're talking 965 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: about taking him over uh Isaiah Simmons, Joe Burrow, okuda, 966 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: the top offensive lineman in the draft. I mean that 967 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: what you take, you take Burrow for the asset. I 968 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: mean that's I mean, that's that's the reason you can't 969 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: pass up that value. No, and it's it's I didn't. 970 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: I didn't recommend this hot of a Joe Burrow take. 971 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: I was only advising to not have him go number one. 972 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: If you want to make some headlines, I didn't say. 973 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: I didn't say drop him to five. This is this 974 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: is taking our advice and taking it to another left. 975 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: How did the Chargers pass on him at number two? 976 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: If the Chargers were to move up and the Charges 977 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,279 Speaker 1: take to Ah who, by the way, can't test. You 978 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: don't really know what you're getting with toa, but you're 979 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: willing to take a chance over taking him over Burrow. Mean, 980 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: may do you think to Us sells more seats than 981 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow? I mean, I don't. I don't know if 982 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: he does. Maybe, I don't know. I don't think so. 983 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Burrows a national champion. It's the national 984 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: championship that feels like it was about five years ago 985 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: the last time. Well, yeah, yeah, you're right. Tristan Worse 986 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: goes to us at number ten. Be happy with that. 987 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that it would make some sense. 988 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: And then he's versatile, he could help you out at 989 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: in multiple spots. The only issue is the one that 990 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: was brought up I think by Joe Thomas and some 991 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: others on the arm length and if they think he's 992 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: long term of guard and for the Browns, I mean, 993 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: you might want to be leaning more towards someone who 994 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: projects best at that left tackle position and works my works, 995 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: probably projects as maybe the best and safest bet as 996 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: the best offensive lineman. But maybe you might be more 997 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: in the market for the guy that projects is maybe 998 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: the best left tackle, which might be either Wills or 999 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: Thomas at that spot. All right, your Alabama guy, Jalen 1000 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: Hurts to the Patriots at twenty three. I mean I 1001 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: watched enough of Dalen Hurts at Alabama to know that. 1002 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I just I know Lincoln Riley. He he 1003 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: was so much better with Lincoln Riley, and he was 1004 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 1: so much better in that SEC championship game that he 1005 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: had to come in for Tua against Georgia to kind 1006 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: of save Alabama season. So he he definitely improved. But 1007 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback that I saw during when he was the 1008 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: last time he was a starter at Alabama, I mean, 1009 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I think that I think 1010 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,240 Speaker 1: he'd be a good quarterback to get in your building 1011 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: to work with. I just can't even imagine using a 1012 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: first round pick on maybe maybe a second or third 1013 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: round pick, groom him behind someone keep working on his tools, 1014 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: because he's a really smart kid with a lot of 1015 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 1: a ton of upside. But I still think he's only 1016 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: scratching the surface without with maybe what his finished product 1017 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: is going to be. I'm not one of those people 1018 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: that say he has to switch positions. I think he's 1019 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: a quarterback. I just think he needs a lot of work. Still, Yeah, 1020 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: I would agree with that as well. That would be 1021 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: a big reach. I don't see Bill Belichick making that 1022 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: kind of big reach pick number twenty three. They've got 1023 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: a lot of holes to fill. Uh. Quarterback obviously is 1024 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: up there, but I got a lot of other things 1025 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: they could go for at pick number twenty three. That's 1026 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: gonna wrap up this week for the best podcast available. 1027 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 1: We are three weeks out from the two thousand and 1028 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: twenty NFL Draft. 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