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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's and they should a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: So we'll continue to recap Rookie Minicamp will get to

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Speaker 1: your phone calls. But I want to start Paul with

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Speaker 1: an interesting deadline that I don't think many people are

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Speaker 1: aware of. Tonight eleven fifty nine pm Eastern is a

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Speaker 1: deadline which signals the end of free agent signings counting

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Speaker 1: towards impacting compensatory draft picks. Correct. So that means you

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Speaker 1: not taking as much of a risk with saying whether

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Speaker 1: you from a draft pick perspective. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of fans need to understand there's a

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Speaker 1: number of attractive names that I still figure out there

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Speaker 1: on the market. I'm not saying that the Giants are

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Speaker 1: why a number of these players have not signed yet

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Speaker 1: is because of this deadline that's not very popular in

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Speaker 1: and also which we've seen more often than not with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, there are a lot of teams that say, hey,

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Speaker 1: why not get a closer look, Paul at our rookies

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Speaker 1: if we don't think that we're getting enough out of them,

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Speaker 1: we can always sign a proven free agent before training camp,

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Speaker 1: and then they can compete with everybody else. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: I might add on the free agent list and domin

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Speaker 1: Con Sue Uh, Ziggy answer, former Lion uh Jordy Nelson,

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Speaker 1: Morris Clayborne, Michael Crabtree, all guys who are accomplished players

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Speaker 1: in this league who no doubt still want to play.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're still looking for some kind of deal,

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Speaker 1: but either are not getting the money offers that they want,

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Speaker 1: the compensation period adds, which as you said, will be tonight.

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Speaker 1: Glover Quinn is another name might throw out. Paul a

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Speaker 1: extremely dangerous. I just don't understand how you can run

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Speaker 1: with some of those takeaways when he has yet to

432
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Speaker 1: step on an NFL field at this point, Jack, my

433
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Speaker 1: best advice to you is to just push aside the analytics. Okay,

434
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Speaker 1: that's my best advice to you, because people who who

435
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Speaker 1: who believe that the analytics are the main course of

436
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Speaker 1: the meal, they're making a serious mistake. Well, who do

437
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: you see him becoming? Like? What do you see him becoming? Like?

438
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Speaker 1: Is he going to be a extremely high How is

439
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Speaker 1: he getting into the top ten in the NFL? Is

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Speaker 1: it is he gonna like you say, he's a great athlete,

441
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Speaker 1: which I agree. Is he going to be Cam Newton?

442
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: Is he going to be an incredible if he turns out?

443
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Speaker 1: If he turns out to be a top ten pro quarterback,

444
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 1: which is what the Giants certainly believe, Otherwise they wouldn't

445
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: have taken him where they did. It is going to

446
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 1: be through his mind. It's gonna be through his poise,

447
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: his leadership, his decision making. Absolutely, he's going to have

448
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Speaker 1: to use some of his tools to get the job done.

449
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be his gamesmanship, his leadership, and his

450
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Speaker 1: ability to control a game. That is what's really going

451
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Speaker 1: to separate him. We we always talk all the time

452
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Speaker 1: about some of the smartest quarterbacks that we've seen in

453
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Speaker 1: the league, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees.

454
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Speaker 1: We talk about these guys being above and beyond so

455
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: smart from the from the neck up. They just separate

456
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Speaker 1: themselves from the other guys, and that's part of what

457
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: makes them superstars. That's what Daniel Jones is gonna rely

458
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: on as he tries to become an upper rustional on quarterback.

459
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Speaker 1: The adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Pastors. I mean,

460
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Speaker 1: like even Brady now is like top three in his forties, Like,

461
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's an incredibly accurate pastor. So is Manning's

462
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Speaker 1: and had an awesome Yeah. But but Jack, all of

463
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Speaker 1: those guys that you name, Yeah, but all those guys

464
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Speaker 1: that you name, Jack didn't come in year one in

465
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Speaker 1: the NFL and immediately get to that level. It took

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Speaker 1: some time. And Alex Smith, who you've thrown out multiple times.

467
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you look at Alex Smith,

468
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Speaker 1: but Alex Smith, I think Alex Smith, it's a solid quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith. First of all, if you track his career, Jack,

470
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Speaker 1: look at what happened in his early years in San

471
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Speaker 1: Francis go he struggled immensely. Why because he had a

472
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Speaker 1: different offensive coordinator every single season in San Francisco and

473
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Speaker 1: the team just wasn't very good the personnel. But when

474
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden he had the same OC for

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Speaker 1: multiple years, notice how his production increase and the same

476
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Speaker 1: thing that he said when he was in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: So stability around the quarterback, to my point, is also

478
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Speaker 1: a big indication of where that quarterback is gonna go.

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Speaker 1: And with Duke Daniel Jones hasn't had a great deal

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Speaker 1: of stability in the personnel department. In the coaching department, yes,

481
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Speaker 1: but not necessarily in the personnel department. Jack, I'll ask

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Speaker 1: you this, what was the number one reason Phil Simms

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Speaker 1: was an outstanding Giants legend? A quarterback in the Super

484
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Speaker 1: Bowl MVP. What was the number one reason? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I would tell you what it was. It was. It

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Speaker 1: was because he was quote a football player. As Bill

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Speaker 1: Parcels like to say, he wasn't a quarterback. He was

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Speaker 1: a football player. And when Porcell said that, what he

489
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Speaker 1: meant was the guy had the instincts, He had the smarts,

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Speaker 1: he had the toughness, and he had the right and

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Speaker 1: the desire and the competitive nature. All of those things

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Speaker 1: meant to Parcels he was a football player. Phil Sims

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Speaker 1: will be the first one to tell you if he

494
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Speaker 1: sat here, he was not the most physically gifted quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the league during his time. But you know what,

496
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Speaker 1: went to a bunch of Pro Bowls and he won

497
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl MVP by putting up the best Super

498
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Speaker 1: Bowl performance that a quarterback has ever had. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that was his ticket. He was a football player. I

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Speaker 1: think I think you have to understand there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of intangibles that go into making these guys really really elite.

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Speaker 1: And Jack appreciate the Fank thanks so much for weighing in.

503
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Speaker 1: Alex Smith first year in the league, completion percentage second

504
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: year jumped to fifty third year went down to forty nine.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand nine is fourth year in the league, and

506
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: went to sixty one. Then it went to sixty two

507
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Speaker 1: thousand eleven. Now is the turning point where things started

508
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: to click for him. A lot of its scheme to

509
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Speaker 1: but but if you look Paul, he had a different

510
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator for like the first five seasons of his career.

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Speaker 1: Every year was a different So I'm not this is

512
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Speaker 1: not an excuse list for Alex Smith. But context is

513
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Speaker 1: important and nobody's crowning Alex Smith is the greatest quarterback

514
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. But I think Alex Smith is somewhat underrated.

515
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Speaker 1: I don't think he gets enough credit because I think

516
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Speaker 1: people immediately look at what he did in the early

517
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Speaker 1: stage of his career and they're like, yeah, you know what,

518
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Speaker 1: you expect better out of the number one overall pick,

519
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Speaker 1: And you're right, But give the number one overall picks

520
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: and flexibility give him the ability to learn over the

521
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: course of a year or two as opposed to now

522
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Speaker 1: of a sudden in year one ends and now he's

523
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: gotta learn a new offense. He's the middle of the

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Speaker 1: road quarterback, and I don't have a problem saying that,

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Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong or insulting about saying that he's

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Speaker 1: the middle of the road guy. He's certainly a top

527
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Speaker 1: half of the league quarterback and he's healthy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's in the top five. I would

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Speaker 1: put Alex Smith in the top fifteen. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's a stretch. David Carr is another one who played

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Speaker 1: for the Giants organization later on. But if you would

532
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: have get than David Carr a better start with an

533
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Speaker 1: offensive line, not saying once again that he's going to

534
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl or being a Hall of Famer. But

535
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: I guarantee you David Carr is narrative in his career

536
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: changes immensely, Paul, if you actually gave him some stability

537
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: early in his career. Once again, the environment is going

538
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: to impact the QB. That's my main point. Alright, quarterbacks

539
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: not just on an island. Dre is in Atlanta, Dre,

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00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: welcome the Big Blue kick Off Live. What do you

541
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: got for us? How's it going on a little minute?

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll try. First, let me say I have

543
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: actually no problem with the Daniel Jones pick um. You know,

544
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Speaker 1: I think most of the Giants fan has an issue

545
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: with the because the media told him to so. But

546
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: the reason for my call is, I kind of if

547
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: my plan may not be good on this plan, but

548
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I can see a plan within what he's got going on.

549
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to talk about the dead cat money this year,

550
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: but not looking at the abundance of cat money we

551
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: have next year. So if this safe, I wasn't kidding him.

552
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: I will load my defensive with the youth. I have

553
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: my offensive line with some veterans, some SAFF defits, and

554
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: sprinkling it with some rookies for a backup. And then

555
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: so as a transition goes, you know, I have my

556
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: my my new offensive line for four to five years,

557
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: depending on which round I get them in in the draft.

558
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Same thing with defense. Then you have an abundance of

559
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: cap to be able to keep your players and sign

560
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: them to the second contract if they perform. I think

561
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: what government is trying to do is create a legacy

562
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: of a strong defense and a strong offense um and

563
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: instead of being capt struck because you're spending on your

564
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: money in in free agency, your money is being revamped

565
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: and recycled within the team. And I may may not

566
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: be his his plan, but that's a liable plan because

567
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: now you have a franchise quarterback, You have youth on

568
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: on defense, you have a youthful cornerbacks. You have a

569
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Speaker 1: couple of vets on um on offensive line. So maybe

570
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: next year we start focusing on a tackle and the

571
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: right tackle, okay, and another guard, and then now you

572
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Speaker 1: have youth on a line. You keep the money in

573
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Speaker 1: the house. Each year the cap goes up, you have

574
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Speaker 1: now you have money to pay your players if they

575
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Speaker 1: perform to another contract or bring a free agent in

576
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: to compliment the holes that we have. What do you

577
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: think about that? Yeah, I mean I agree with that philosophy.

578
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: I think people mistake in cap space for spending sprees.

579
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Speaker 1: And Dave Gettlman even indicated that, you know, you always

580
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: want to have money ready, he brought up in a

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Speaker 1: press conference. I don't remember which presser was, Paul, maybe

582
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: you do, but somebody was talking about a year from now,

583
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: you'll have more flexibility, and he goes, well, there was

584
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: a guy named Cam Newton and Carolina who I needed

585
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: to resign. That's why cap space makes sense. And if

586
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Speaker 1: you look at his track work in Carolina, dre to

587
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: your point, he didn't necessarily every off season go out

588
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: and bring in big name free agents. He resigned Luke Kickley,

589
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: He resigned Camp. He tried to have the flexibility to

590
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: retain the players, which is the whole point of why

591
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: you want to build your team through the draft. Pole

592
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: You build them through the draft so that you get

593
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: a lot out of them in the rookie contract, and

594
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: then you invest in them because they warrant this, I

595
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: can deal. So I can absolutely see that being part

596
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: of Gettleman's game plan, as opposed to everybody that thinks, well,

597
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: they're just waiting for a year from now and there's

598
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: a lot of hot commodities out on the market and

599
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna go throw money at the wall and see

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Speaker 1: if it sticks. Understand one thing, Okay, when the Giants

601
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: made the playoffs by purchasing three high tickets on defense, Um,

602
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: that was a quick fix. They needed to do something quick. Uh.

603
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: The the the the the general manager understood that he was

604
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: under fire. He was desperately trying to turn the thing

605
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: around as soon as he possibly could, and he had

606
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Speaker 1: the cap space to do it. So he went and

607
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: he did it without giving much regard to what was

608
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Down the line, so he got his quick fix,

609
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: he got his playoff spot, and then the Giants wind

610
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: up being pushed into some really dark times because there

611
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: is a price to pay for a quick fix. Dave

612
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: Gettleman is not interested in a fix. He wants to

613
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: get this team as competitive as soon as possible, but

614
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: he wants it to be competitive for the long term.

615
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: He wants to set this team up, in this organization,

616
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: up to be proud of its record year in and

617
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: year out, so that they don't suffer a similar fate

618
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: to what they suffered the last time they went through

619
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: a quick fix, and that what happens is you kick

620
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: the can down the road and the money winds up

621
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: coming back to haunt you. So I don't foresee him

622
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: adopting that type of philosophy, Dre. I don't either. And

623
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: also from the last point, Uh, you know, we always

624
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: talk about the continuity we're having with a quarterback having

625
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: the same offensive coordinator here in year out, kind of

626
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: how we got spoiled Eli and hum and uh Gilbride,

627
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride, you're talking about Kevin Kevin Gilbride. Well, we

628
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: we have to also look at the continuity of teammates,

629
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Speaker 1: having the same place as in the locker room, growing

630
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: in the family and being able to get that sick

631
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: contract with a third contract and keeping the same folks

632
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: in the locker room of good character. That understands John's pride.

633
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: And I think if we continue to use grass roots

634
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: and build up, build up a team through the farm,

635
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: through the draft. You know, kind of how they criticizing

636
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Yankees of not doing and not as they have doing,

637
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: they have a foundation to or even their Yankee in

638
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: winning games. Look at it, J, how old are you?

639
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: How old are you? You're in your forties. You're in

640
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: your fifties, thirties, in your forties, Okay, you you would

641
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: have really loved the old system and Plan B free

642
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: agency when you could retain most of your roster and

643
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: you could have continuity because the rules were in place

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Speaker 1: to enhance the quality of football, because you could keep

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Speaker 1: guys together, you could train guys, you could coach up guys,

646
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: and you could reap the rewards of your hard labor.

647
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: But then when everything changed and the Players Union went

648
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: to the courts and they got Planned B thrown out

649
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: with an anti trust ruling, and they had to open

650
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: things up with the c b A because they wanted

651
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: to have the free agency stuff. Well, that was the

652
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: beginning of tearing down the fabric of the National Football

653
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: League because it makes things incredibly difficult for teams to

654
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: keep their core guys together. The salary cap and free

655
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: agency does everything it can to erode exactly what it

656
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: is that you want to do. It makes it challenging.

657
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it does. And appreciate the thanks,

658
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: thank you. I think it makes it challenging. I personally

659
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: think it's good for the league. I like the parity,

660
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't necessarily complain. And I do because you're

661
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: a young guy. Well it's not a well, I mean

662
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm a baby. I just came out

663
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: of the wood. The rules changed for the season, everything

664
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Speaker 1: everything we got tainted. Well, but also during the error

665
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Speaker 1: that you're referring to, Paul, in fairness, there were about

666
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: four or five teams that had a legitimate shot of

667
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl, and everybody else knew their chances

668
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: are up. So the Bears, the Giants, the Niners. Every year,

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00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: the Bears, the Giants, the Niners. Now I can make

670
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the case for about half the league. What about the seventies, Dallas, Miami, Pittsburgh. Okay,

671
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: those are not the same teams in the eddies because

672
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: you took three teams and you swapped about with three

673
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: different ones. Congratulations, grate philosophy. It was privilege with the

674
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Raiders to come on, it was it was a mycology.

675
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: It was a privilege and an honor to watch the

676
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: four teams to watch and the Pittsburgh Steelers all what

677
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: they did, and I'm with you, all entertaining teams, all

678
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: great teams, and they deserve their credit and their status

679
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: in the history of the league. But what I love

680
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: about today's NFL is quick fixes can happen, quick turn happen.

681
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: That was never gonna happen during this age that you're

682
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, when did you see a four and

683
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: twelve team go twelve and four? But outside of what

684
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: Belichick has been able to do, which again, the man

685
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: is Houdini. Outside of what he's been able to do,

686
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: true greatness will never be achieved under this system. Meaning

687
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a team like the Cowboys, which is

688
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: probably the most recent example, where you win two or

689
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: three Super Bowls in a row. You're talking about, that's

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna happen. But I'm looking at it

691
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: more of making the playoffs. I guess that's how I'm

692
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: looking at it. I know that's not the ultimate goal,

693
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: but you see, teams can at least make the playoffs consistently, Paul.

694
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: They may not win the super Bowl, but in this

695
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: league where only six teams in each conference make it,

696
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: that's it. Press. Maybe you could look this up. Maybe

697
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: you can look this up for me. Outside of the Patriots,

698
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: who have had a ridiculous run of like fifteen out

699
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: of seventeen years of making the playoffs. Outside of them,

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Speaker 1: which team is second on the list in terms of

701
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: most playoff appearances in the two thousand's I'd love to

702
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that stat. Is there is there

703
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: a team that's made it more than five percent of

704
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: the time. My guests would be Pittsburgh would be second

705
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: on the list. My suspicion would be Pittsburgh or green Bay. Yeah,

706
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh or green Bay. That would be my bet. I

707
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: would pay. And I don't even know how many times

708
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: those teams have made the playoffs since the two thousand season.

709
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: We'd have to actually counted up like match sticks, I'm

710
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: not going to do that right now. Let's just let's

711
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: just go on to the court. We're wasting time with

712
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: these people. No, no no, it's I mean, we were reminiscing

713
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: about the days you love and all of a sudden

714
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: you want to not because I never saw you take

715
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: such a quick term. Because there's no there's no sense

716
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: in trying to convince to convince a whipper snapper that

717
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: that the olden days were better. There's just no there's

718
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: no way to convince you, Paul. There's nothing wrong with

719
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: having a conversation and at the end of the disagree.

720
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything I can agree perfectly so

721
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: all but I think it's good to look and reflect

722
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: that count up. The packers work it in throughout the

723
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: course of the program. Let's go back to the lines

724
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: of the meantime. We got Taylor in Albany, Taylor, welcome

725
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: to the Big Blue Kike all Live. What do you

726
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: got for us? Yeah, you're doing I got uh. I

727
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: just have a couple of points to get to. I

728
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: feel that Dave Gentleman kind of gets a raw deal

729
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: from the media and the fans, because I mean, he

730
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: turned around Carolina. They were in his salary cap. They

731
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: were a very tough position. Salary cap was right. He's

732
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: done a great job of doing that, and as soon

733
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: as he comes to New York he doesn't get any

734
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: slack on that. Everybody wanted them to draft a QUB

735
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: to replace Eli, and he finally does that, and and

736
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: he just can't win. He um just because it's the

737
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: wrong quarterback. The next thing I want to get to

738
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: was the other quarterback. Obviously, everybody wanted them to draft Haskins.

739
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: Do you guys feel that his off the field issues

740
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: were more of a plan why they passed on Hastins

741
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: for as lack of experience. I always point to lack

742
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: of experience being a big reason why I think most

743
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: teams passed on quarterbacks. And I brought the statistic up

744
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: multiple times. I don't know if you heard it, Taylor,

745
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: so I apologize if I'm repeating myself. But prior to

746
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: this year, Kyler Murray and Dwyane Haskins were both one

747
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: year starters draft in the first round. From two thousand

748
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: to two thousand and eight, team just two one years

749
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: starters were drafted in the first round, Mark Sanchez and

750
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky, and if you look at the Giants track record,

751
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: in fairness, most of the guys they've brought in, whether

752
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: it be through the supplemental Draft through the draft, are

753
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: multiple year starters. And part of it is because Bill

754
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: Parcels had that philosophy and he coached this organization. Phil Simms,

755
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: Dave Brown, multiple years starter. You know, Kerry Collins was

756
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: a veteran by the time he came here, Kurtwater was

757
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: a veteran, ELI manning multiple years starter, Danny Kennell. The

758
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: laundry list of players, whether they panned out or not,

759
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: is not my point. The point is they at least

760
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: was able to say, hey, we could see two to

761
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: three years of what they did in college as opposed

762
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: to banking on one year transferring over at being success soul.

763
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: So I think that was certainly a factor that they

764
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: were heavily considering. Because experience has been something that every

765
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: team has turned to. It has to be right, and uh,

766
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: have you guys heard of anything that? Um? I know

767
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: everybody said Haskins as a great character guy and and

768
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: he didn't have any official issues. When I watched him

769
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: on draft night, it seemed like when the Giants passed

770
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: on him, he was kind of uh out in a

771
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: little bit. He saw his reaction after he was drafted.

772
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: He said, the whole league messed up. Um. And he also,

773
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if this factor you. He charged all

774
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: his friends and family a cover beat to watch him

775
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: get drafted when he's about to become a multi millionaire.

776
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: I just don't see that. Maybe that was an issue

777
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: for the Giants um on why they would have passed.

778
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the coverage charge. Okay, I

779
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: do know that shortly after he was picked, him and

780
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: his father formed an entertainment company to promote and market

781
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: uh different aspects of the inter chainment in sports world. Uh. Look,

782
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, personally speaking, the only time I

783
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: ever met Dwayne Haskins was at the combine. Okay, I

784
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to sit in on his fifteen minute

785
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: media session. Uh. Seemed like a decent enough guy, but

786
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: he certainly did not blow me away at the podium

787
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: with with his poise and personality. Uh. There there were

788
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: certainly other quarterbacks in the room, and I mentioned Daniel Jones,

789
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: I mentioned uh Jared Stenham as as two quarterbacks who

790
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: were my two favorite quarterbacks. You gotta understand something here.

791
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: Just because let's say Lance wants an apple and I

792
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: want an orange, it doesn't mean the apple is rotten

793
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: or the orange is rotten. It's his preference. And that's

794
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: the thing here, you know it. It isn't always about

795
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: picking the best player. It's about picking the best fit

796
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: for your situation. And you know, quite quite frankly, quite frankly,

797
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: there were a lot of other things, you know, that

798
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: come into play that make a guy a good fit

799
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: for your team. I said on yesterday's show, Eli Manning

800
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: was the perfect fit for the Giants. Big Ben was

801
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: the perfect fit for Pittsburgh. Philip Rivers was the perfect

802
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: fit for San Diego. Those three quarterbacks landed exactly where

803
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: they had to land to put forth historic careers. Had

804
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: those guys been flopped in other cities, I'm not so

805
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: sure that it would have worked out well. And appreciate

806
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: the phone call, Taylor, thanks so much for weighing in.

807
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: As far as Haskins being irritated that he fell in

808
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: the draft, to me, that's not a red flag. Josh

809
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: Rosen said the same thing. You know what, I'd want

810
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: them to be peeved if they're not. I think something's wrong.

811
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: I want them to be motivated to quiet all the

812
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: skeptics and shut up the teams ahead of them, So

813
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: that to me is not agree And as far as

814
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: all the speculation about the decision making of parents and

815
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: this and that, yeah, I mean that's why you vet

816
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: these players. You always try to look into these things.

817
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: But whether or not that was the main factor as

818
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: to why a team stayed away from a quarterback, I

819
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: mean that to me is pure speculation. It can only

820
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: be a crumb in the personnel folder. That that's all.

821
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you're looking at the

822
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: skill set, You're looking at the experience or the lack thereof,

823
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: and what Paul brought up. You're also projecting, Okay, how

824
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: can we envision this player in our locker room, in

825
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: our environment. Do we think that person is gonna flourish

826
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: or do we have some doubts? You know? Those to

827
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: me are some of the important factors that you bring

828
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: to the table, not some of this juicy TMZ headline stuff,

829
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: which at the end of the day doesn't carry a

830
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: lot of substance. Let's head back to the lines. We've

831
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: got Dave and Cranford. Dave Welcome to the Big Blue

832
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: keg Off Live. What do you got for us? It's

833
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: good to talk to you guys. It's been a little while.

834
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: I hope you're both doing great as well. Thank you guys. Um.

835
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, I just think that to step back for

836
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: a second and de pic of Daniel Jones, just to

837
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: say that for again, it's yeah, I think sometimes you

838
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: just gotta realize how challenging it is for all these

839
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: teams to you know, find a transition, and you know,

840
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have to go back to our

841
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: We can look at our own history as giant fans.

842
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, of how long if you want to really

843
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: talk about Phil Simms, you know, maybe to Eli Manning,

844
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: um and how long that took to to identify that.

845
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: It's a hard process. Don't forget Carry Collins. Now, he

846
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: did take the Giants to a super Bowl. It would

847
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: be unfair to skip him, you know, Paul, You're right, Yeah,

848
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say in the middle there.

849
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I I agree with that. But I look right now,

850
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: even at someone like the Cowboys and having to make

851
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: a decision to sign Zak Prescott, and I think that

852
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: that you know, they're they're kind of forced to do it.

853
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: But I think Dak Prescott unfortunately is a a good

854
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: but never gonna be a great quarterback. And I think

855
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna, you know, win you a lot of games,

856
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not sure he's gonna take you

857
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: to that Promised Land. And yet the Cowboys are in

858
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: some sense is forced to have to make a decision

859
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: or or going back to you know, no one talks

860
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: about even though we spent the sixth pick um on

861
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones, we didn't give up any other picks

862
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: to move up to that spot. If you think about

863
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: what the Bears did to get Trabinsky, you know, they

864
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: basically they had almost no draft picks this year. Part

865
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: of that was because of Rabinsky, you know, you look

866
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: at well they also had the Khalil Mack trade too,

867
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: They had the Khalil Mack trade to Daves, so that

868
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: that's another big reason that impacted their draft. You're right,

869
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: you're right, Lance, But my point is is that you

870
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: know a lot of these teams, you know you're you're

871
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: going in and there's a lot of quarterbacks that right

872
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: now you still are kind of undecided about what they're

873
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, what they're upside really is they're still developing.

874
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: I would say that even someone like golf in a

875
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: in a great open scheme, you know. But I think

876
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: he was exposed in the Super Bowl. I don't think

877
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: there's any question about that, um, you know. So it's

878
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: just it's just not as easy as people want to

879
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: make it out to be. No, it's not. But I

880
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: also think that if you're content with what the quarterbacks

881
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: giving you, and there's comfort, and there has been signs

882
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: of development, then I don't think it's a force of

883
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: signing them. I think it's a wise decision because if

884
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't sign Dak Prescott, what's planned B for them?

885
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: You don't really have to they have to answer that

886
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: big To be honest with you, a general manager faces

887
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: a similar question twice. There's one question of is he

888
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: all in when he acquires the quarterback in the first place,

889
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: whether or not he's a free agent or he's a

890
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: traded guy, or he's a drafted guy. He's got to say,

891
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: am I all in on this guy? Am I pounding

892
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: my fist on the table? I've got to have him?

893
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: And then he's got to do the same thing when

894
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: the guy's contract is due. He's got to say, am

895
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: I all in on this guy? Because if I'm going

896
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: to sign him to that second contract, it is going

897
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: to put me in cap hell if I'm wrong. So

898
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: you gotta be all right, you gotta be all in

899
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: on the guy. Twice. Yeah, but I think most teams

900
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: that most teams that signed their quarterback, I think have

901
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: confidence that there's gonna be a return on the investment.

902
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the Ravens just gave Joe Flacco the

903
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: contract after he won the Super Bowl. I think they believed, Hey,

904
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: this is also perhaps the beginning of what he could build.

905
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: We've seen them have trepidation. We see the Raiders have

906
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: trepidation with car we see Andy Dalton and trepidation with

907
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals as as teams, and now we're even

908
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: here here in that maybe Dallas is sure about Prescott.

909
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: You you have to be all in on the guy

910
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: when you get him and then when you resign them,

911
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: and and if if you're not, then you can't move

912
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 1: forward with the guy. You just can't remember. Also, Dac

913
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: was Doc was a fourth round pick. Keep in mind too,

914
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: you know he wasn't a high guy. Who took advantage

915
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: of his opportunity once Romo got hurt. So you know,

916
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: the philosophy is a little bit different. Cow the Cowboys,

917
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say they were all in on Prescott.

918
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: They basically said, hey, he's a guy that maybe and

919
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: now sudden surprising. And if you draft a guy high,

920
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: got a guy high, of course you gotta be anyway,

921
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: go ahead. My last thing was just about one quick

922
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: comment about Eli and I love to hear you guys, man,

923
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: and and that is, you know, um, I really think

924
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: that Eli. I think you're starting to see some people

925
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: come around to this. I think he's gonna have, um

926
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: a really great year. It's going to be very fascinating.

927
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: I do think he'll be on a short leash and

928
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: and all those things. But Eli plays the best when

929
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: the stakes are the highest. And you know, the last

930
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: couple of years, the best game he's played was the

931
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packer playoff loss, and and the receivers didn't

932
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: play well, but he played really well. And I don't

933
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: think that that's I think Eli in the in the

934
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: regular season, um, you know, at times makes decisions which

935
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: I'm not going to complain about, but at the end

936
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: of the day. I think he throws the ball away

937
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: or or or you know, doesn't necessarily stand in there

938
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: for that last second. I think given this environment, really

939
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: the first time he's being pushed by someone behind him,

940
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: where he knows that each game is going to be

941
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: really critical, I think you're gonna see Eli perform at

942
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: a at a higher level, as well as Barkley taking

943
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: a step up the line, being stronger other things around him.

944
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll just be him, but I do

945
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: expect that he's going to have a really great year

946
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: because every game now for him is going to be

947
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: critical because he doesn't want to get into a situation

948
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: where the team is you know, I don't know, pick

949
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: a pick a record five and five, four and six

950
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: where they say, hey, you know what time to move on? Um?

951
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: And I really think that's you know, and I and

952
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a stand I can root for both.

953
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm happy with Daniel Jones, who's going to be our

954
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future, but I'd love to see Eli

955
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: have a great year and I think he can alright,

956
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: And I agree, And basically Eli wants to be like

957
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: any good stable employee. He doesn't want to give the

958
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: boss a reason to make a change. It's that simple.

959
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: Well that aside, Eli also is in the last year

960
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: of his contract, so I mean he doesn't know what's

961
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna happen after this season. I think that is enough

962
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: motivation in itself to say, hey, I want to go

963
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: out there, I want to put forth a good individual season,

964
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: help the team win because I don't know what's gonna

965
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: happen after two thousand nineteen. So you know, Daniel Jones

966
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: is presence to me. I don't know is necessarily the

967
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: fuel of the fire I look at it is He's

968
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: got one year left on his contract. And also Eli's

969
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: dealt with this speculation. For the last few seasons, there's

970
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: been quarterbacks. They may have not been as high in

971
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: terms of where they were drafted, but there's always been

972
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: that constant media and fan call for let's see what

973
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: the young guy could do. Let's see what the young

974
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: guy could do. I don't think this season is that

975
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: different in terms of he's aware that that call for

976
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: a change is going to be there if things don't

977
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: necessarily go well. Let's head back to the lines. Charlie

978
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: is in Portland's Maine. Charlie, what's happening. Hey, gentlemen, Hey,

979
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things. First thing is I

980
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: just want to ask you guys. Yes, Daniel Jones, number

981
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: six sick and all the stuff we're hearing is the

982
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: Giants love him, he's so smart, blah blah blah. If

983
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: he is on our backup quarterback in September, don't you

984
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: think that's a bit of a sale on his part?

985
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: Not one bit, No, not at all. Why is it

986
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: a failed It's a failed because it's a drafted guy

987
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: number six. You expect him well, first of all. First

988
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: of all, him to start well, first of all, Charlie.

989
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: But just because you're the backup quarterback doesn't mean that

990
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: you're necessarily going to be in line to be the

991
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: next guy up in the event that perhaps the team

992
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: struggles or whatever it may be. I think you're speculating

993
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: a lot. And the other thing, if you remember, Pat

994
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: Shermer has said multiple times he likes a veteran serving

995
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: as the backup quarterback because that individual could come into

996
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: a game with not as many reps compared to a young,

997
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: unproven quarterback. So no, it would not surprise me. And

998
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is going to happen, But it

999
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: would not surprise me if Daniel Jones wasn't the backup.

1000
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: If they choose to keep three quarterbacks because of what

1001
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: Shermer has preached before, needing a veteran sometimes on a

1002
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: short week since he doesn't get a lot of reps, Well,

1003
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: do you think it would be a sail I Haskins

1004
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: and Washington was not the backup quarters? My my answer

1005
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: would be the same thing, Charlie. You could give me

1006
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: all thirty one other teams. I would say the same thing.

1007
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: First of all, you got case Keenum in camp, and

1008
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: you've got Colt McCoy. If Jake Gruden goes through camp

1009
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: and says, you know what, we feel good with Keenum

1010
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: as our staughter, Colt McCoy's our backup. Haskins is our third.

1011
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't think there's the end of the world situation

1012
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: there if that's how they start the season off. Both

1013
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks, Haskins and Jones were Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

1014
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: Both Haskins and Jones were drafted by their respective teams

1015
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: for the long term, not for either one of those

1016
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: guys were drafted for September. I'm sorry, but your way

1017
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: out of left field on this one. All right, I

1018
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: don't think so. But anyway, let me say one thing

1019
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: about our defensive back. Since we've got a whole new crew,

1020
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: we gotta have some name. Okay, Now, I think Tony

1021
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: the Lip could be one. Nicknames would be another, and

1022
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: uh and I could go on. Well, thankfully you're not

1023
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: gonna go on. But what's what's next? What's next on

1024
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: the agenda? You said you had multiple questions, but really

1025
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: you're hitting it out of the park with the first two,

1026
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: so I can only imagine what the third's gonna bring.

1027
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: All Right, Charlie, No, I didn't. Just we'll talk to

1028
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: you again, Charlie. Have a great day. Alright, Charlie, keep

1029
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: drinking Grandpa's old cough medicine. Thanks so much. All right,

1030
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: let's head back to the lines. As we move along,

1031
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: by the insight just continues to increase as the show

1032
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: goes on. Mike is in Connecticut. Mike, Welcome the Big

1033
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. What do you have for us? Hey?

1034
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: What's going on? What's going on? So? I got you?

1035
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Got you choose to film? Mike? The pressure is on.

1036
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, you just give a shout out

1037
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: the Fat for answering Twitter questions that I post periodically won,

1038
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: most recently with Farrell and Jonah Williams in the n

1039
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: C double A game. I thought that was a classic matchup. Uh,

1040
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: enjoyed the game just watching those two battles, which it

1041
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: was really cool. So thanks, take no no problem. Another

1042
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: shoutout was for a Smokes interview with cut Cliffe, who

1043
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: if anybody hasn't listened to the interview and you're still

1044
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: on the ledge, give it a listen. It'll take you

1045
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: off the ledge. You'll get you pumped up for for

1046
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: the for the season because he did a brilliant job

1047
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: with it. Um. And then there was a correction. Joe

1048
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: and Evan, we're talking about week seven, just as you explained,

1049
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: but it was actually our um seven weeks in the season,

1050
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: but it was actually week seven. Whether or not he's

1051
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: going to be in by week seven, so I think

1052
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: that over so so the the the over under was

1053
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: if Jones is going to be starting by week seven,

1054
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: that's over under. Well again, I I don't know how

1055
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: you qualify over under, but I'm telling you there's no

1056
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: way that's going to happen unless Eli is injured. Well,

1057
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: what I was thinking was if let's say it's doesn't

1058
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: go as we had hoped and the season goes a

1059
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: monk by week eleven, I think it's a buyer, right, Yes, yeah,

1060
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: we can let it about. Then you'd be looking. Probably

1061
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: if I was a Bettman, which I'm not, then I'd

1062
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: say week twelve, there's a good possibility that it would be,

1063
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: you know twelve. The rest of the season, you'd see

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Speaker 1: Jones in. Yeah. I have no idea how Nevada came

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Speaker 1: up with the number that they came up with. I

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Speaker 1: just think it. But anyway, whatever you get about week

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Speaker 1: twelve right now, I just wanted to get your input

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00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: and if if I gave you guys a multiple choice

1069
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: question and said, whether it's Ramers or Wheeler or Big George,

1070
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: what do you see moving forward with the offensive line?

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00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: To me, that's the most important part of the defense

1072
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: of the offense. And if if we had to make

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00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: a change, who would you like to see there? My

1074
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: educated guest, listen to your appreciate. My educated guess is

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: that Remers will be the starting right tackle week one.

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Speaker 1: That's my educated guest, just based on the tea leaves

1077
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: that we have had put forth in front of us. Well,

1078
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Ramors has familiarity with Shermer because of Minnesota, so you

1079
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: know there's that factor. But remember the health thing is

1080
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: still a question mark. And the reason I bring that

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00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: up Jake Long, who was brought in at times when

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00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: you know he was looking for a team and he

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00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: actually wound up coincidentally in Minnesota with the Vikings. The

1084
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: health issue was still an issue for him. So you know,

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00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: if they bring in a veteran, I would probably give

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00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: the veteran the leg up to your point, Paul, but

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00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say he's automatically gonna win the job

1088
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: by a landslide. I think they want somebody in to

1089
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: push Wheeler. I think they want a true competition, that's

1090
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: my perpetition. But but I specifically like they don't want

1091
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: to get into situation where it's wheel or maybe against

1092
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: an unproven individual. They'd like Wheeler to test themselves against

1093
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: a veteran and then let the best man win. That's

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00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: how I could see things playing out of training camp.

1095
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: But I still think no matter what veteran you bring in,

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00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: the health is still gonna be a wild card. Because

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00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: there's a reason why Remers is unsigned. Right now, he's

1098
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: still recovering. It's not necessarily given that everything is going

1099
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: to be sid. He's unsigned because he refused to take

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Speaker 1: a pay cut from the Vikings. They had told him

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00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: they would keep him on the roster if he took

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: a pay cut, and they were willing to gamble on

1103
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: his injury as long as they were paying him less

1104
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: small And that's understandable because that's his pre existing team.

1105
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: And he decided that he was not going to take

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00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: the pay cut, asked for his release, and they gave

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00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: it to him. But on top of that, he's still

1108
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: rehabbing injury. Understood. So any team that hasn't had the

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00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: history Minnesota's team of trainers has dealt with Ramors over

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: the season. So if there's any team that I think

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00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: has a good grasp on his situation, it's doubt. And

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00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: and that goes to the point though, why would they

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00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: have asked him to stay for a pay cut if

1114
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: they really didn't think he was going to rehab correctly,

1115
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: If they thought that it was a lost cause and

1116
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: that his back was not going to be good enough

1117
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: to play, they just would have gotten rid of him.

1118
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: They would not have offered him the opportunity to stay.

1119
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: So they must think there is some redeeming quality still

1120
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: left in the player, or they would have just said goodbye.

1121
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: There's no reason to ask him to take a pay cut.

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00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: We were talking about playoff teams. You had asked about

1123
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: who was close to the Patriots, so we looked it up.

1124
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: The Packers thirteen and the Steelers twelve since two two thousand,

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00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: so we have no surprise that both those teams are

1126
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: in the mix. And that's that's awesome, that's really awesome

1127
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: for those two teams. I think any man in that

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00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: few number of years, I think making the playoffs as

1129
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: an accomplishment in itself. In the NFL, nobody's crowning a

1130
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: team for making the playoffs. Don't get me wrong. The

1131
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: goal is you win a Super Bowl, and that's how

1132
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: you stand out from the rest of the pack. But

1133
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: in a league where there's so much turnover, Paul, and

1134
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: on average about four new teams between the a f

1135
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: C and the NFC make the playoffs every year. You

1136
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: put up that number over the course of nearly two decades,

1137
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: I'd gladly accept those results. Let's head back to the

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00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: phone lines. We got Cliff in New Jersey Cliff, Welcome

1139
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: the Big Blue Kick Off Live. What's happening? Hey, hey Chris, Okay,

1140
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: my apology before. So you know, as you've heard endlessly

1141
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks with with Daniel in respect

1142
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones taken a beating with the media. What's

1143
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: interesting is, you know, the media fails to you know,

1144
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: peel the onion back as you guys say, you know,

1145
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: in terms of look at his drops. I mean the

1146
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: guy runs first, he taken one step drops a lot

1147
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: of cases, they rip on his arm. How many times

1148
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: he even able to throw down field, you know, and

1149
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: throw that long pass. I mean there's a handful of

1150
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: passes downfield which you know he's able to get it downfield,

1151
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: and he can't even take his his normal drops, you know,

1152
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: some of the shotgun. But two of the things that

1153
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to when Jones gets his chance to

1154
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: play is how nice is it's gonna be when he's

1155
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna be able to run a play action. By that time,

1156
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: this this line is gonna be solidified. We're almost there

1157
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: and running the play action with with Barkley getting those

1158
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: linebackers to commit up to the line. That's gonna be great.

1159
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: That's something that Jones has never had a duke. UM. Also,

1160
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: what I noticed watching some of the film on him

1161
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: or the games on YouTube is uh, he fills a

1162
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: real nice screen pass. He shows patiences his lineman get

1163
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: out in position. So those are just two things that

1164
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to something he's really never been able

1165
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: to do at duke. He does have various speeds on

1166
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: the ball, really nice touch uh and and a tight

1167
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: spiral and spins it well on the short throw, and

1168
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: then he can put a little bit of mustard on

1169
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: the long throw. Throws a very easy ball to catch.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that if you watch him, it's it's

1171
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty. It's pretty. Yeah, exactly. One last thing I know,

1172
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: you're running against the clock. Um. I'm thinking of to

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00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: two guys that I called the forgotten, Paul Perkins and

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: Avery Moss. What's your thoughts on those two guys coming

1175
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: into training camp this year? Ali, Chris, We'll let you

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00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 1: go on that note and appreciate the phone call. They're

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00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: both in show me phase. Paul Perkins on I are

1178
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: all last year. I think I'd like to see him

1179
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: in a battle for the number three running back spot. Uh,

1180
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: They're going to give him every chance to do so,

1181
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: but he's going to have to win it. Same thing

1182
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: with every Moss. Every Moss been heard for his first

1183
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: two years here on the practice squad, and it's hey,

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00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: you're three, it is time, Avery Moss. Listen, you've got

1185
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: a lot of tools. Okay, you've got a lot of tools.

1186
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, this is your time. They desperately need

1187
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: help with the pass rush. This is time for him.

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: If he's got it to show, he's got to break

1189
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: it out now. Yeah, I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 1: show me is a very appropriate label for both of

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Speaker 1: those players. You look at this situation for Paul Perkins,

1192
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: you got sat Kwan Barkley, you have Wayne Goldman, you

1193
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Speaker 1: have Robert Martin. There's an opportunity there if you have

1194
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: a very productive offseason Paul Perkins, I mean, I don't

1195
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Speaker 1: think anybody's locked into those roles behind sat Kwon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: So opportunity is there. And Avery Moss, he's got plenty

1197
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Speaker 1: of competition because the Giants now have a variety of

1198
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: different pass rushers, different linebackers, lineman and so forth. So

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Speaker 1: you know, he's got to prove that he can remain durable.

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01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: That's the key thing. We've talked about so many players

1201
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: that have been drafted by the Giants over the years,

1202
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: and it's not as if they didn't have upside. It's

1203
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: just they could not get out of their own way

1204
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: with respect to the injury bug, and every time it

1205
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: looked like the opportunity was there, the setback occurred. So

1206
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: Moss has to prove he can get healthy and remain

1207
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: active through an entire offseason period, and Perkins to the

1208
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Speaker 1: same degree. I think Perkins if you were to ask

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01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: me who has a better opportunity, Paul, I think Perkins

1210
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Speaker 1: has a better opportunity in my mind because of what

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01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: the depth chart looks like right now. That's just me

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: looking at the paper test. So I would give a

1213
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: leg up to Perkins. I think there's a golden opportunity.

1214
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: But he's got to show an awful lot in the

1215
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Speaker 1: preseason games and throughout camp. He's gotta be consistent, same

1216
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: thing for every Moss can't just flash here or there.

1217
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: You gotta showcase it day in and day out. The

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01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: good news for both guys they're on the ninety man roster,

1219
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: which means they will be given a chance to compete.

1220
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: Now it's up to you guys, that is, Perkins and

1221
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: Moss to earn their spots. Indeed, that is gonna wrap

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