1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Every day a week. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 2: Click up the Breakfast Club. You don't finish for y'all done? 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: Good morning? 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Everybody is v just Hilarry and Charlay the guy. We 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: the building. Yes we do even more said welcome back. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 3: How you feeling you bless and highly favored? 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 4: How y'all doing it at. 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Like? 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 5: It's good to see you even because you're one of 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 5: the few people that's doing press right now, because everybody 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 5: in their mama that was on America's Top Model is 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 5: scared to death press what that documentary is that I'm 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 5: not gonna say who, but there was a person who 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 5: told us we still there, But there was a person 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 5: who told us that they weren't coming up here unless 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 5: we put in writing that we didn't ask them about 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 5: America's Next Time Model. 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Yes, oh really? 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: Were they promoting other things? Club that she's in right 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: now when is popping and you know what, shout out 22 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: Tony Harlowe and I can absolutely appreciate her sentiments. And 23 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: I can tell you why one of the young ladies 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: on the documentary, if you saw it, Danny. 25 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 4: Dropped dead gorgeous. 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: She was one of the winners, and she said something 27 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: that I think it's I know, it's very true. It's 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: something that I try not to talk about a lot 29 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: because I'm very grateful for where I am. But doing 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: Top Model definitely puts the scarlet letter on your back. 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: I mean to know me, y'all knew me when you 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: did when you were with Wendy. Y'allkna me as Eva Pickford. 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: I changed my name to Eva Marcel, which is my 34 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: legal middle name. But I changed it so that when 35 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: I went to audition, I walked in rooms, I wasn't 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: pre judge. They just saw a girl named Eva. It's 37 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: not that uncommon of a name, so they say Eva 38 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: m letter read for the role, and so then I 39 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: would get the role. And later they would realize like, 40 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's that girl from that show. But 41 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: I can tell you about ten thousand doors are closed. 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: I was for sure, Okay. Can I tell you why. 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: It's because we live in a new day. 44 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: We live in a day today where to be a 45 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 3: reality star is to be a Kim Kardashian. To be 46 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: a reality star is to amplify a brand. And so 47 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: when you put someone like a just hilarious on something 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: you already know that you're gonna get automatic clicks because 49 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: we're coming to see you off the top. 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 4: And so if you're selling athletic where. 51 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: We might mess around to what outfit too, but we're 52 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: gonna watch it because of you. When I came up, 53 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: there was no social media, Charlott Mane at all. My 54 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: interviews came through you, So my voice came through you. 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 3: And so me being a part of a brand took 56 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: away from the brand because y'all came to see me. 57 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: And if you're breaking out as a designer, you're not 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: trying to worry about the girl that's walking down the 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: runway hangers. You're more so worried about the designer and 60 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: the looks. And so it was an odd time because 61 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: a big transition happened to where reality star became the 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 3: big thing, but it didn't change when it came to 63 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: Top Model because it was a TV show first for them, 64 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: but for us it was a competition. It was a 65 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: competition that said, if you win this show, the baddest 66 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: person in modeling, the Queen of modeling, Tyra Banks, has 67 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: said you are good enough. 68 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: She put you through a boot. 69 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: Camp that said you can do the riggers and if 70 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 3: you get this done, you go out into the world, 71 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: You're gonna be a star. 72 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: And then we went out into. 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: The world and they were like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: mister Starr. When are you gonna twinkle? 75 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 5: But you in Takara and like a Winny, y'all found 76 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 5: a way to brand y'allselves. And I always talked about 77 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 5: branding like she always used branding, like even before it 78 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 5: was a buzzword. So I feel like, did you learn that? 79 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 6: There? 80 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely see for me and I can only speak for myself. 81 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: I come from South central Los Angeles. I come from 82 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: You're gonna hustle, that's that's part of who you are. 83 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: And then I went to college and I went to 84 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Clark Atlanta University, home of W. E. B. Du Bois, 85 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: and the model was find a way or make one. 86 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: So between coming up in the hood and knowing I 87 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: had to get mine in paint, and then going to 88 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: college and understanding scholastically what that meant and putting that 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 3: into to work. After doing Top Model, I was like, oh, okay, cool. 90 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: So Tyra said I wasn't good enough and I won 91 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: the show. I'm popping Now I got to do the work, 92 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: and that was one thing that I was never confused about, 93 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 3: one thing that Tyra did instill in me. And I 94 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: believe the rest of the girls, how much they picked 95 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: it up or not, I think that they believed that 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: as soon as you won, like the stars would open 97 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 3: and you'll get a billion dollars in your bank account. 98 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: They're like, no, we're gonna give you one hundred thousand 99 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: dollars sprinkled not quickly, and hundred thousand. 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: Well, see, no, I didn't. 101 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: And I know I've heard other stories and I cannot 102 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: discount anyone's story. But Eva mar Still Pickford got her hundreds. Yeah, 103 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: it was like you get your initial money and then 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: when you came and I had the privilege of actually 105 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: signing one of the only girls is signed to Cover Girl. 106 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: So after getting that initial one hundred thousand, they're like, okay, 107 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 3: now we want you to sell Mescara. Now you know 108 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: what I mean. And so it went on from there. 109 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: But the work never stopped. The work is ten thousand 110 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: times more than anyone expected. 111 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 4: And I think that's not what's talked about. 112 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 6: What do you think made you into cars? Experiences with 113 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 6: top models so different? Because I feel like y'all are 114 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 6: the only two girls that could talk completely positive about everything. 115 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 6: And even when you talk about the negative, it's not 116 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 6: nothing like with the other girl. 117 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: No, No, I mean the negative is is it's it's 118 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: life right Like That's why I say you, I mean 119 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: you have sharpi's here, but you usually learn how to 120 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: write with a pencil. That's why they have erasers because 121 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: to arias to be human, you're not gonna always get 122 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: it right. 123 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 4: And it's not just me. 124 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: It's ya Ya da Costa, who played Whitney Houston on Lifetime. 125 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 4: Ya Ya went on to do. 126 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: I mean, five seasons of Chicago Med. She did Lincoln Lawyer, 127 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: My Girls Popping, Yeah, and a lot of the women 128 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: are I would be a bit biased to say season 129 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 3: three we definitely stood out, and the black girls for 130 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: sure stood out. But I think that that's what they 131 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: were casting at that time they cast it, or an 132 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: early season season three, they didn't really know what they 133 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: were doing. 134 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: It wasn't even called reality TV. 135 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: Like, if you really think about it, back in two 136 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: thousand and three, two there was no reality TV. 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 4: You had Survivor and you had Real World and that 138 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: was it. 139 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: And then you had Top Model and American Idol. I 140 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 3: won the same year as Fantasia. So that's how long 141 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: I know. That's how long ago it is. And so 142 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: to answer your question, Lauren, I think that it was 143 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: just a great group of stars. They got women that 144 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: were bona fide stars in their own right. I don't 145 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: know if the producers knew exactly what it is they 146 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: were going to tap into and and and really make 147 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: that star twinkle, but they taught us how to shine, 148 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: and they had stars like it or not. And Takr 149 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: walked in there f A B O l O. I 150 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: mean when I tell you that girl, it's fabulous. 151 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: To this day, I love the facts. 152 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: Fabulous, wrong, but I love it. 153 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: But she spelled. 154 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: That's how she spelled them. 155 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 4: When she walked in, she's like, f A B. I 156 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: was like you he looks. Thank you. Listen. 157 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: It's a shout out to the one and only NAP star. 158 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: A net out of New York City. She got five shops. 159 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: But Annette, she does me from my TV show All 160 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: the Queen's Men. 161 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a net. And thank you for that. 162 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: Because representation means a lot. That's why I'm here today 163 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: to talk about my movie and and and uh top 164 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: model and all the things that I used to represent 165 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: who black women are and I fight like crazy from 166 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: my natural hair. 167 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: Were you invited to talk on the documentary that they did? 168 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Will you invite because we didn't see you? No, dominary, 169 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: no invited. 170 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: I was not invited to talk about the documentary. I 171 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: was asked. 172 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: When I realized that the documentary was coming out and 173 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: they started promoting it, I was asked by you know, 174 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: New York Times everybody, like, you know, what do you think? 175 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: What do you think? 176 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: It's hard to think when you don't know what you're watching. 177 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: I had no clue how they were going to skew 178 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: this what they were going to do. 179 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 4: But I am intelligent enough to know that after. 180 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: Twenty two years of a show, there's no way you 181 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: can actually do a positive documentary speaking about the way 182 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: this woman truly changed the modeling game without talking to 183 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: the people that helped do so. So I kind of 184 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 3: knew they were going to kind of skew it in 185 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: a way that wasn't that was a bit biased. And 186 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: I'm not here to say that that Tyre's perfect. But 187 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: I will be the first person to say I'll rock 188 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: hard body with Tyra Limbanks, I don't have some of 189 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: the biggest because we most likely all have positive things 190 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: to say, and so you can't a documentary either. They 191 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: didn't call it to Kara, I believe. I'm not sure 192 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: if they called yah Yah to do it or not. 193 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 6: But I tried to do an interview. I mean I 194 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 6: reached out to your rep prior to it and he 195 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 6: said that you wanted to watch it. I reached out 196 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 6: to ya Ya's team and they said, no, she's not 197 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 6: doing the Top Model conversation. Me and sa Car did 198 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 6: an interview. But one of the things that I saw, 199 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 6: because I saw you. 200 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 3: Do the interview with the CBS Mornings, Yes you won't 201 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: see Yes Marnings and people were upset about the feeling 202 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: like you were defending some of the things that happened 203 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: in the interview, even though you said you were horrified. 204 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: How do you feel when you see that, Because I 205 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: know you've said Tyra has done so much for me, 206 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: You're not going to get me to a point where 207 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: I'm doing what we see a lot of the other girls. 208 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: It's not more and so about how much she's done 209 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: for me. It's about how much Tyra has done as 210 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: a whole. I think that we as as onlookers with 211 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: media journalists. I think it's very easy to look on 212 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: the outside end and to point and call a flaw, 213 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: especially years and eons later. If I was to look 214 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: back at Golden Girls the first three episodes, they had 215 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: a very very cute and flamboyant gay man who absolutely 216 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: disappeared after episode four, where is said best friend. 217 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 4: He's nowhere. The world wasn't ready for it. We don't 218 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: talk about it, we don't deal with it. 219 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: Now if we look at today's landscape about diversity and 220 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: inclusion and where we should be, look at Friends. It 221 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: took what eight seasons for them to get a black girlfriend, 222 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: and it was Ayisha. I mean, we can look back 223 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: at a lot of projects and think about where we 224 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: were and look at where we are, what we can affect, 225 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: and where we can go. But I think that we 226 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: don't do ourselves a proper service when we look at 227 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: something like Top Model, which was so historic, that was 228 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: a brainchild of a very audacious young woman that decided 229 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: to go out and do something great. Did she stumble 230 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: at along the way? I don't see anybody at the 231 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: Olympics who didn't stumble. We all stumble that it means 232 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: to air is to be human. But I think that 233 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: it's very easy to point a finger's but it's hard, 234 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: and it's easy to say all the people's flaws. 235 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 4: But what good did she do? I know what good 236 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: she did? 237 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: Winnie Harlowe was wearing the runways out. I have multiple businesses, 238 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: organization things that I do, and despite what I've had 239 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: to hurtle over. I mean, Kerrie Washington had to hurtle 240 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 3: over and she didn't do top models, So I counted 241 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: all joy I'm not. 242 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: I don't. 243 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't live in the woes of yesterday. We all 244 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: have our trauma. The beauty of me is that I've 245 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 3: healed from mine. 246 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 6: Haven't talked to Tyer since the doc because she hasn't 247 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 6: said anything. 248 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: I haven't talked to her since the documentary. 249 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: I went to lunch with mister Jay just the other 250 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: day and we chatted for a while. 251 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 252 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: I feel for everybody a part of the documentary because 253 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: they don't know what life is like to live under scrutiny. 254 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 3: You know, I know, y'all know, but most don't know 255 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 3: that are in the early two thousands, what it really 256 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: feels like to get troll daily. 257 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 6: How's mister j holding up too? 258 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: Because now the conversation I saw a publicist, what's her name, Katron. 259 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: She made a statement that said, basically like he does 260 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: this every few years to try and get his name 261 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: in the media and throw things Tyver's away in a 262 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: negative way. 263 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm talking bad about it. 264 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 6: And that's been a conversation about because how their friendship ended, 265 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 6: and like, what are his intentions? He just telling his story. 266 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: Watching the documentary I learned about the friendship. I had 267 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: absolutely no idea, per my understanding. These are, you know, 268 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: like besties like me and my best to be rock 269 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: hard to the core. So I had no idea about 270 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: the severans him wanting to leave and then staying and 271 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: then kind of maybe feeling like he might be blackballed. 272 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: Like that was all big news to me. I think 273 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: it's I think it's sad. 274 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: I'm a loyalist. I'm a scorpio to the core. 275 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: Unless you do something just absolutely egregious, we're gonna rock this. 276 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: Thing to the wills fall off. 277 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 3: And so to watch this all play out, he wrote 278 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: a book called The Bitch to model the meltdown a 279 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 3: while ago. It's a novel, and I mean his experience 280 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: is his experience. I I use the word go smacked 281 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: because I. 282 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: Said she was smack. 283 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 5: Why. I'm like, I ain't never heard you talk like that, 284 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 5: and it felt like you was on was it CBS? 285 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: This wanted? I'm like, why is she going to see 286 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: this morning and coach. 287 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 5: With you a little bit? No? 288 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 4: I didn't coach it. 289 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 6: I was. 290 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 4: I was bamboozed. I was led astray out and I 291 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 4: said that first. 292 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: Yes, I said all of those things, but you also 293 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: have to realize, Charlevagne, I went to school for speech communication. 294 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: Speech is actually what I do. Vernacular is my thing. 295 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: On the Ricky Smiley Morning Show, they called me Sillilo 296 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: Marcil like I enjoy words. I enjoy syllables beyond monosyllabic 297 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: English that we're used to. I think we as people 298 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: have a way of being extremely expressive and a lot 299 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: of things we do, and I think that words should be. 300 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 4: One that we exercise more oftenly. 301 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: So I was I couldn't find a word beyond a 302 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: curse word. 303 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: I was. 304 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: I was in awe because to find out that you 305 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 3: were a part of a situation and had no clue, 306 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: it was just. 307 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 4: A bunch of a bunch of hibble giggle. 308 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: It was just it was and and and flabbergastri and 309 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: and I was just. 310 00:14:59,160 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 6: Heable gibble. 311 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I was taken aback. 312 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 5: You know, there's been a lot of conversation in recent 313 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: years about reality TV and mental health, like when you 314 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 5: look back, what did this show get wrong? Especially with 315 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 5: like young women? 316 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: Oh so many? How long do we have? 317 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: I think what we forget is that A we were 318 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: all young. We were very very young, and we were 319 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: very impressionable. And though even ken Max says this show 320 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: gave us a promise of a dream and of a career, 321 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: I think there's somewhere inside of ourselves that we knew 322 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: that that. 323 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: Wasn't really true. 324 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: And not saying that the business wasn't something that we 325 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: could do, but there's just no way that all of 326 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: us were going to end up being these huge, big stars. 327 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: And so I think that I prepared myself mentally early on, 328 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: like if this doesn't work out, what do I do? 329 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be gobsmacked that was going back to college. 330 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: Being brutally honest that bad, you know, because sometimes people 331 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: need to hear honesty in a place where people are 332 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: being truthful. 333 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: To me, truthful and honesty and hurt are are all 334 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: different things. And you always have that girlfriend that's like, oh. 335 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: Girl, I was just keeping it real. No, you were 336 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: being very mean. 337 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes people need to hear that though, well, truth without 338 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: compassion is cruelty, it is. 339 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 3: True, and I think that we make a great excuse 340 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: to be be honest while. 341 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: Being extremely mean and extremely hurtful. 342 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: And so Janice Dickinson, for an example, I won the 343 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: show and I remember after winning, she was like, thank God, 344 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: now you can finally get your nose job Jesus, and 345 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: I quickly went to a mirror. 346 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: Didn't realize I had a. 347 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: Nose issue at all. I knew that I was too short. 348 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 3: I knew I was androgynoust, so they called me a 349 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: man woman all these things. But now I'm oh, yeah, 350 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: as I was so scared to cut my hair shorter 351 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: and go blonde because they. 352 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 6: Came on the show, it was like your vibe was 353 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 6: very like la cool, like tom boyish. 354 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still here in a suit, and like, 355 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: that's just I have three brothers, That's how I get down. 356 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 6: So you felt the way because that was your storyline 357 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 6: on the show, and they leaned into it, and you 358 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 6: were so confident on the show. I didn't know you 359 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 6: felt away about them calling you those things. 360 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: I didn't know I was malad attracted them until I 361 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: went to college. I was walking down the quads and said, 362 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: God damn, trying to read. And I remember saying, is 363 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: that a good thing or a bad thing? And he 364 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: also said, if I ate a little bit more, I'll 365 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: be fine. 366 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. 367 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: Yet, But I didn't really have an idea of like 368 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 3: what aesthetics were and what men were into and all 369 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: that stuff until school. My confidence lied in the fact 370 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: that I knew who I was. My parents were very militant. 371 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: The computer room was exactly that because we read Encyclopaedia Britanna. 372 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: Because every single day, book report, every single day. To 373 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: be to to I have to study to show myself approved, 374 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: like all all the time, straight a's, Dean's led scholarships. 375 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 4: That was that was me. 376 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 6: So the nose job then, like that conversation, so you 377 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 6: took you looked in the mirror, and then what happens 378 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 6: following all the stuff. 379 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 3: I definitely had a mild complex about my nose. Couldn't 380 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 3: figure out. I didn't see what was wrong, so I 381 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: didn't know what to make right, which was the hardest part. 382 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 3: Like you know, like it say, I like your hair 383 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: is cut, but you got a little piece right here, 384 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: like you know you need to cut that piece. 385 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do. Your hair is bombed. 386 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 4: Don't listen to him. You can grow hair. So there's that. 387 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 3: Okay, it's my choice, not by force. 388 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 6: I know, that's right. Last time you were here, we 389 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 6: get into all that because you got some updates too. 390 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: We do have some updates, but we want to talk 391 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 3: about getting push off this plane because I. 392 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: Really wanted to hear a certain time. 393 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 3: Sorry, well, because they lean into each other. You know, 394 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: last time I was here, I was kind of giving 395 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: you an update on love and where I was at. 396 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: I was not in the most positive place, which is 397 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: this is one of the few stops I made because 398 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: I knew that I would reach all my people and 399 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: that you guys would hander me with a nice. 400 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: Glove kid gloves. She s nice. 401 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't kid gloves. 402 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: I had a couple of little one too, But you know, 403 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: I had Lauren over here, so I knew I was striight. 404 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: But this movie, it reminds me of a lot of 405 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: spaces that a lot of us black women are in. 406 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: He pushed off a plane and survived. 407 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: So push off a plane and survives. About a woman 408 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: named Janey who is in her late thirties early forties, 409 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: serial entrepreneur, all about her business, all about her money. 410 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: She owns three different hair salons, does extremely well for herself. 411 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: The one thing she has never focused on is love. 412 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 3: So finally you get to that age and you're like 413 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: late thirties, early forties, You're like, maybe I want a man, 414 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 3: maybe I want kids, maybe I want all these things. 415 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: And so she goes on the dating gaps and all 416 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: the stuff, and she's trying to find love and she 417 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: meets a guy Tyler Lepley cool, yes Cole for this movie. 418 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: And this is not Colon I's first rendezvous. We did 419 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 3: a film before called Buried Alive and survived. So for 420 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: whatever reason, I love being tortured with I do we 421 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 3: see you know that's the black woman in me. We're 422 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: gonna survive. You're gonna knock us down, but we're gonna 423 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: get up. And so get pushed off of plane. His 424 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 3: weird hobby is that he likes skydiving and instead of 425 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: being a prude. I like pickleball, so instead of playing pickleball, 426 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: decide the skydive, which was the best and worst decision 427 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: of my life. You have to tune into it on Saturday, 428 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: February twenty eighth on Lifetime eight pm, seventh Central. It's 429 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: going down tyler Lepley and I back in love again. 430 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 4: Damn God, damn So. 431 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: I've done this simulated one like the white the one 432 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: who a sky. 433 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 7: No. 434 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 3: So, the way my body is set up is I 435 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: believe in God and the afterlife, but in this life now, 436 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 3: the three children I have here, I would like to 437 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 3: be there with. 438 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: All my philangies and limbs working. 439 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: I did it once how to go? 440 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: He never did it again? 441 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: No, I never did it again. So I did it. 442 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: But it was a birthday gift, surprise birthday gift for 443 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: my wife to me. So we drove out there the 444 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: whole time. I mean, every excuse why we shouldn't be. 445 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: She love you, but she knew not like you crazy. 446 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: Years. 447 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 4: Don't listen, she needs an shot. 448 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: No, no, he's fine. Now she's fine. Now this is 449 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: this is that's different. 450 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: But anyway, we went out there, we jumped out the 451 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: plane and then I started looking at all the plane 452 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: accidents that happened in all the sky diving accidents and 453 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: was like, why the hell would I do that? And 454 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: never did it again. But the adrenaline and what it 455 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: was was amazing. 456 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: Rosha, libido back. 457 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: No, that has something different. Me and my wife met 458 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: she was fit teen. I was sixteen. 459 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 6: Because you start, you want to go through that, I 460 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 6: do gotta go. 461 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: To So I learned sex. Guys don't talk about how 462 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: to have sex. I learned from watching porn Bang bang 463 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: bang bang bank. That did not work. My mouth game 464 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: was good, but the penetration game wasn't. So she and 465 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: during an argument she told me you're my. 466 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 3: Age though, so it wasn't real porn. It was like 467 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 3: skinning mac crazy. 468 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: What's pool and that's what it was. And she didn't 469 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: orgasm in a while. She told me the argument. 470 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: We wrote a book about it to a while. 471 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: But she met her at sixteen, so she had somebody 472 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: before you first. 473 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: First he didn't show until I was able to do 474 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: it in my mouth, not through penetration. 475 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 4: Come on, this is my mind so much right now. 476 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: The movie, Well, the reason why I jumped off the 477 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: plane because we did not have any of those problems. 478 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 4: He pushed me off the plane willingly. I him all 479 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 4: things ago. 480 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 7: But I feel like the movie is a lesson about 481 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 7: trusting someone too soon as an accomplished woman. 482 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: But see the question truly is just when it is 483 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: too soon, because there is one of my favorite scenes 484 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: in the movie is he asks me to stand on 485 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 3: this this this ledge and fall backward. And you ever 486 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: seen that like that trust fall? Ain't no way I'm 487 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 3: falling backward. And we didn't have stunts, we didn't have 488 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 3: a pat down. And I've worked with Tyler before. I'm 489 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: a little dancer than I look, so I think I'm 490 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: a little heavier and. 491 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 4: He caught me. 492 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: And it's that feeling of trust, that letting go and 493 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 3: knowing that someone has you and not because you can 494 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: feel it, but because you don't fall. And I think 495 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: that is what she's searching for, that high of jumping 496 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: and not actually hitting the grounds that say. 497 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: Do you have that with somebody? 498 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 4: They can? You know? 499 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: My wedding song was that Leela James has a song 500 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: catch Me, I'm falling for you, and it speaks about 501 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: I'm ready, I'm about to jump now. I need you 502 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: down there because I do not want to fall, but 503 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: I do want to take this jump, and so I 504 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: think this is what this movie is about. And honestly, 505 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 3: sometimes you get it wrong and sometimes you get it right. 506 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: But the biggest part that I took away from it 507 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: is that most of the time you're going to get 508 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: it wrong. Ninety nine percent of the people you date 509 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: you will not be with forever. So get back on 510 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: that horse. 511 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: Try it again. 512 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 7: But what about the reverse psychology and all the tactics 513 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 7: of the manipulation and a lot how do you. 514 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: That's not your guy? 515 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: If any of that stuff exists, that's not your person. No, 516 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 3: but see Cole he the flags were there a lot 517 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 3: of times. The flags are there. You have sage council. 518 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: Your homegirl is like, friend, I am not feeling this. 519 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 3: You know this is crazy. My sister in this movie 520 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: she knew it. But she also was so close to me. 521 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: None of my relationships worked out. She used to bet 522 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 3: on my dates like this ain't gonna work. Got twenty dollars. 523 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 3: You know he's a dud. 524 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 4: So there's that too. 525 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 3: You just have to believe in yourself, trust your instincts, 526 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 3: and keep your friends close because when he doesn't work out, 527 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 3: she will still be there. 528 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 6: So you're where you are right now in life. In 529 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 6: real life, it does parallel because I know you and 530 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 6: Mike got back together and y'all are together, and that 531 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 6: is your forever. 532 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: We saw the like you know, well, he will always 533 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: be my forever because we have children together. We have 534 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: three amazing kids, and there is no life without him 535 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: since we've had them, so we're always forever. I think 536 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: that since the divorce, and because I'm not very public 537 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: and not a first strap kind of girl, and you know, 538 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: I don't throw a lot of pictures up there, the 539 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: world's wondering, like what's going on, and we are at 540 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: a beautiful place. I think the first time the world's 541 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: always together again was in essence. I was down there 542 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: hosting the main stage, and he. 543 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 6: Was free, and everybody was excited for you. 544 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: Also, because we love black love, We love love, especially 545 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: family unity. You know, Mike was adopted, and so when 546 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: it comes to what family looks like and what DNA 547 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 3: looks like and titles, we don't find ourselves too caught 548 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: up on that. I think that that's what kind of 549 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 3: hurt to begin with. Anybody that's dated for a long 550 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 3: time then got married you realize things changed, but nothing 551 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: really changed but the title. But now you feel the 552 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 3: pressure to change things. All that stuff is gone. All 553 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,719 Speaker 3: that's gone, and I am the beautiful mother of his 554 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: amazing children. He is amazing father to our children, and 555 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 3: we have a great relationship. 556 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 6: I have a question for I guess you, but everybody 557 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 6: in the room. Then, so y'all are married? The pressure coming. 558 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 4: No, we're not married. We're divorced. 559 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 6: So you guys are still divorced. 560 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: Yes, we got divorced. 561 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 6: I know, but I thought, I don't know what I 562 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 6: thought you guys did. She was also for another merge 563 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 6: on the other side. I mean, just I didn't know 564 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 6: what talk about it. So then are you so y'all 565 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 6: are back to y'all are back together? Well that wasn't 566 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 6: even honestly my quest. But we here now, so y'all 567 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 6: are back together? So is there going to be another 568 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 6: proposal of marriage? 569 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: We are still figuring things out, but we are definitely 570 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: not where we were last time I was here. Last 571 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: time I was talking about and after that I was depressed, emaciated. 572 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 3: Phone conversations were very minimal, and now we can joke, 573 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: We shoot pool like it's you want to come over 574 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 3: and have some whiskey. Like we are at such a 575 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: different space and I think that that is more important 576 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: than the labels. When you think about my daughter who 577 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: just turned twelve. We have a twelve year old little girl. 578 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: We have a seven year old son and a six 579 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: year old son. So what world do we want to 580 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 3: give them? The world of labels and ideas of what everything, 581 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: everything the world thinks we should be or the truth 582 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 3: mom is there for every holiday. I just took them 583 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: a raw yesterday and flew here today just to take 584 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 3: them courtside to see raw like it's just it's family 585 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: and that'll never change, and that is the FOREPP. But 586 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: what were the pressures then, because it seems like you 587 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: guys have always been a line like that, and that's 588 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: why everybody was so happy when you guys got together, 589 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: even we were a housewives, like it was good to 590 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: see you in that space. 591 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 6: So what was that pressure? 592 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. 593 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: I mean, try having two children and being married and 594 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: being then the limelight. 595 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: Lord. 596 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: It is not the easiest thing. And I'm kind of 597 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,719 Speaker 3: from a very very black family. That is what happens 598 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 3: at home stays at home, and so we are united 599 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: front wherever we go. 600 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 4: But I was not fit. 601 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 3: I didn't fail to be most likely a full on 602 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: nuisance and irritant to him. And we definitely had our problems, 603 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: Like as every married couple, I mean a decade in, 604 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: three kids later, pressed, You're going to have your problems. 605 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 5: Yea. 606 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 4: So we definitely had our problems. 607 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: And I thought, I'm not one of those that feel 608 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 3: like I want to do this in the public, and 609 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: I'm not one to like string along. I feel like 610 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: separations can get very messy. And so when you find 611 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 3: yourself in that space, is that limbo space that's like 612 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: you can kind of do what you can't, kind of 613 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: do what I can, kind of clock you, but I can't. Yeah, 614 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: I am way more madam than you think. That is 615 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: not safe for anybody. 616 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: Way more mad. 617 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: Yes, and control you got your mind? Well, yeah, we 618 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: live in a right to carry state in Georgia. 619 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 5: I'm confused. 620 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 7: I'm just saying, chitty bang bang nigga. 621 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: I was talking about the mad having the hole. 622 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 6: She's in control and quick the phone before she gave me. 623 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: Make sure real quick, real quick about the movie. I 624 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: know you gotta go. 625 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 7: I gotta go with you, but come on, yet so 626 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 7: what was the hardest thing about filming the movie? 627 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 4: Because you have you. 628 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: Know, okay, so the hardest thing about filming this film 629 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: and shout out to Lifetime because Lifetime is not going 630 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: to give you a little stage and make it pretty. 631 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: They want to get as gritty as possible. 632 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 4: So two scenes. 633 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: One my drowning scene, because you can't fake drown so 634 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: you have to really drown. So the drowning scene was 635 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 3: absolutely insane. And then being pushed off of the plane 636 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 3: and the falling and the debris and being under Ah, 637 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: my goodness, the special. 638 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 4: No it was real deal. 639 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: No, no, no, he means that they sent us the green 640 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: screen is still in it. 641 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 4: Oh, it won't be what happened Charlemagne and the God. 642 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: You happened to have the luxury of getting the screenair price. 643 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: So there are certain VFX and if you could appreciate 644 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: the writer strike that we just had. There's a lot 645 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: of AI and VFX that go into a production now. 646 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: So you got to see some of the first cuts, gotcha, 647 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: and the world will see the final cut on February 648 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: the twenty eighth, on this good Saturday. Get your popcorn, 649 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: get your girls, grab your friends, whatever, your drink or 650 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: non drink of choice is get ready. 651 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 6: An't worried about doing press right now because she won't 652 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 6: get through the Let's definitely check it. 653 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 5: Out earlier when the producers of America next time. 654 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what they were doing. 655 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 5: And that's why I say, you can't stop a star 656 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 5: from being a star, regardless of what the platform is 657 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 5: that you know. 658 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 4: Causes them to take one to know one. 659 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: You can. 660 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 4: I see you out here. I appreciate you. 661 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 6: Congratulations two hundred million. 662 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: Shut up, period, Jesus. I love a. 663 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 6: Thank you. 664 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 4: Don't do that and don't require is because he told 665 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 4: you no. 666 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 6: Because I got what I need to get out and 667 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 6: he mad now and so it's fine and I'm gonna 668 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 6: tell me too. It looked just like his happy face. 669 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: He's just angry, Jesus Christ. 670 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: Even more sol ladies and gentlemen, It's the breakfast club. 671 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 4: Good morning, love you more every day up, wake ago, 672 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 4: click your glass up. 673 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: The breakfast club you finished for y'all. 674 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 6: Dune