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Speaker 2: so a couple of items here when you got some
Speaker 2: football news. Sean Payton talking about Russell Wilson certainly sounds
Speaker 2: like to me that they're moving on from Russell Wilson. Also,
Speaker 2: Mel Kiper had his mock draft, his latest mock draft,
Speaker 2: and it feels like every mock draft that I've seen
Speaker 2: has the Broncos taking JJ McCarthy from Michigan. That would
Speaker 2: mean Russell Wilson on the outside looking in. And Sean
Speaker 2: Payton has not made any secret of the fact that
Speaker 2: they are at least exploring that possibility. And then there's
Speaker 2: going to be a deadline if they do keep Russ
Speaker 2: on the roster. What it's going to cost them they
Speaker 2: might have to take a thirty seven million dollar cap
Speaker 2: hit and move on from Russell Wilson, and then maybe
Speaker 2: somebody else like the Steelers, would pick him up. Some
Speaker 2: have suggested maybe he goes to the Jets and sits
Speaker 2: for a year behind Aaron Rodgers. Well, there's no guarantee
Speaker 2: that Aaron Rodgers is only going to play one more year,
Speaker 2: but that was suggested. So there's a lot of drama
Speaker 2: going on. And then you have the Chicago Bears. The
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears are on the clock. The Bears aren't interesting.
Speaker 2: The situation is interesting. Are they going to take Caleb Williams?
Speaker 2: Are they going to stay with Justin Fields. We'll explore
Speaker 2: that coming up, because it feels like they're a little
Speaker 2: more attached to Ryan Poles' words. He's the GM of
Speaker 2: the Bears. He didn't draft Justin Fields, and he spoke
Speaker 2: yesterday and he had this to say about his quarterback.
Speaker 4: We're open minded as we walk into the combine. If
Speaker 4: it hits me that there's something you know worth capitalizing
Speaker 4: on or jumping on, that's what we'll do. If something
Speaker 4: doesn't feel right and we need to gather more information,
Speaker 4: then we'll wait. But again, I'm always gonna have in
Speaker 4: my mind to make sure we do right by Justin.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna do right by Justin. No, you do
Speaker 2: right by the organization. That's what you This isn't one
Speaker 2: of those man, this isn't good for the organization. But
Speaker 2: we want to be good to Justin Fields. It's a business.
Speaker 2: He understands that. Are you going to stay with him?
Speaker 2: Then you have to pay him or you start over
Speaker 2: and you take Caleb Williams. So there is intrigue here
Speaker 2: of what it does to the rest of the draft.
Speaker 2: So you might say, well, I don't care what the
Speaker 2: Bears do. Well, you might because it might affect who's
Speaker 2: going to be available or not be available, just like
Speaker 2: last year. You might not have cared. But then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Carolina is going to go up and
Speaker 2: get that, and then c J. Stroud goes to Houston,
Speaker 2: they go to the playoffs. So there's a lot more
Speaker 2: attached to this, and we'll discuss that. If you're the Bears,
Speaker 2: what are you doing. I know you want to give
Speaker 2: the impression that hey, we're open for business, but we
Speaker 2: want to do right by Justin Fields. But we may
Speaker 2: take Caleb Williams, we may take somebody else. This is
Speaker 2: what it comes down to for me. Does Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: want to play for the Bears? If he's drafted now,
Speaker 2: he's from Washington d C. They have the number two
Speaker 2: pick in the draft. I would have to at least
Speaker 2: factor that in if I'm the Bears. Well, if you
Speaker 2: haven't met with him, he's not going to be at
Speaker 2: the combine to work out. Is he going to sit
Speaker 2: down with you? Is he going to tell you, hey,
Speaker 2: don't take me, I want to go to Washington. He
Speaker 2: hasn't said this publicly. Do you want to ask that
Speaker 2: question to Caleb Williams?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I would he comes in and I would say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'd bring in a jersey. I'd bring in his you know,
Speaker 2: number thirteen jersey and say we're ready for you. Like
Speaker 2: find out you're already gonna move on from Justin Fields.
Speaker 2: It certainly feels that way that do you want to
Speaker 2: keep a guy you didn't draft and hasn't proven to
Speaker 2: be a franchise quarterback? I would rather make the mistake,
Speaker 2: if you want to call it that, that I take
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams and maybe he's not as great as I
Speaker 2: think he's going to be. Then Justin Fields goes to
Speaker 2: Atlanta and becomes an all pro. Caleb Williams, I feel
Speaker 2: a lot more confident with him coming in in his
Speaker 2: rookie deal than I do Justin Fields. And I got
Speaker 2: to pay him twenty five million, then I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to pay him forty five million dollars. So you got
Speaker 2: to factor that in. How much do you really love
Speaker 2: Justin Fields? And if you're the Bears, why wouldn't you
Speaker 2: just say we plan on having Justin Fields as our
Speaker 2: quarterback as of right now? Okay, so that means everybody
Speaker 2: who wants to go up and get the number one pick,
Speaker 2: now you're open for business. Now you can take in
Speaker 2: all these trade offers. Or if you say, hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna move on from Justin Field, Hey we're gonna take
Speaker 2: a quarterback, We're going to start over, then the bargaining
Speaker 2: begins for I don't know if there's any secrets here.
Speaker 3: I think it's basically, do you want Justin Fields all right?
Speaker 3: What are you going to give us?
Speaker 2: Or you want to give us some outlandish package for
Speaker 2: the number one overall pick. Okay, let's say the Raiders
Speaker 2: go crazy and go we're going up to get Caleb Williams. Okay,
Speaker 2: then we move down and then maybe we even trade again.
Speaker 2: Maybe you keep Justin Fields for another year, pay him
Speaker 2: twenty five million. But if I'm the Bears, you either
Speaker 2: have to make that decision. It's Caleb Williams. We're not
Speaker 2: passing on a quarterback again, and we did last year.
Speaker 2: We're not going to do that this year. Or if
Speaker 2: you feel like Justin Fields is your guy, then everybody knows.
Speaker 2: Let's put together trade proposal for the number one overall.
Speaker 2: But where he's talking about, we have to do right
Speaker 2: by Justin Fields.
Speaker 3: Now you don't.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, we want to make sure that he finds
Speaker 2: a home here. Hey we're gonna pay his moving call.
Speaker 2: They don't care, and you shouldn't care. It's business. He
Speaker 2: gave you three years. He didn't impress you enough that
Speaker 2: you're going to keep him. He's not a franchise quarterback
Speaker 2: in Chicago. Then he goes someplace else and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're on the clock and you take
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams or you at least entertain offers here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pul Ryan Poles, the Gym of the Bears did
Speaker 5: a lot of interviews in Chicago yesterday, and a lot
Speaker 5: of the speculation change from is that cayleb Williams or
Speaker 5: Justin Fields? Who could it be other because he's so noncommittal.
Speaker 5: Could the Bears trade down a couple times and go
Speaker 5: on to completely different direction where it's more about stockpiling
Speaker 5: draft picks and taking a different quarterback or signing a
Speaker 5: different quarterback. Okay, that was just very I wonder if
Speaker 5: others in play. Okay, Seaton brought this earlier this morning.
Speaker 5: It feels like the Bears. It's a paralysis by analysis.
Speaker 5: When you go to a restaurant where you can.
Speaker 2: Get a steak or a burger or ribs, or you
Speaker 2: could get pancakes at any hour of the day, and
Speaker 2: then you can't decide. You look at one of those
Speaker 2: menus and you go, I don't know. The Bears, it
Speaker 2: feels like they could be approaching that territory. They got
Speaker 2: the menu. There's so many things on the menu, and
Speaker 2: then do you screw it up? How do you screw
Speaker 2: it up? Can you screw this up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: See, because I wonder too how much the Bears are
Speaker 6: looking at, well, maybe we trade the pick, maybe we
Speaker 6: look at what quarterbacks are going to be available free
Speaker 6: agents wise, or is there a trade there about maybe
Speaker 6: there's maybe we don't draft a quarterback and instead we
Speaker 6: get a bargain on Russell Wilson or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Or if they like all three of the
Speaker 5: top three quarterbacks equally or similar.
Speaker 6: It's never it's taking none of them. I wouldn't get
Speaker 6: any of them. That if they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: they're all kind of the same, I wouldn't take any
Speaker 6: of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, golly, but it's the Bears, So everything's on the menu.
Speaker 5: They don't know their quarterback, they don't know where they're
Speaker 5: playing in a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yes. Other than that, congratulations, Just keep hitting the reset
Speaker 2: button though. Yeah, we're going to keep passing on quarterbacks here.
Speaker 5: That's the only passing they do.
Speaker 2: Yes, nobody passes the way we do when it comes
Speaker 2: to quarterbacks. All righty, poll question today is going to
Speaker 2: be once see.
Speaker 6: Most likely to be on a new team next season,
Speaker 6: justin fields, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins. Oh, that's a same yeah, boom,
Speaker 6: throw it right in your face, right at you. So
Speaker 6: it could be all three, but you're saying most likely,
Speaker 6: most likely to be honest.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've said all along that Kirk d Cousins and
Speaker 2: the Vikings are together forever. I don't think Sean Payton
Speaker 2: wants Russell Wilson Junior the third You don't, No, I
Speaker 2: don't really what gives you that impression? I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go out on a limb and say, here is a
Speaker 2: Sean Payton talking to reporters.
Speaker 7: I saw this like humorous meme the other day where
Speaker 7: there was a Bronco fan with a shirt on and
Speaker 7: there was like eight quarterbacks names across through it, you know,
Speaker 7: and he's drinking the quarterback kool aid.
Speaker 3: And our job is to make sure.
Speaker 7: That this next one, you know, doesn't have a line
Speaker 7: through it.
Speaker 3: The next one. Not not the current one they have,
Speaker 3: it's the next one.
Speaker 5: Yes, he didn't accidentally say next one, meaning the next
Speaker 5: quarterback like the one after Russell? Did he mean that
Speaker 5: or misspeak?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 5: Did he mean the next one like the next one
Speaker 5: on the shirt?
Speaker 3: I took it as the next quarterback? We get, so
Speaker 3: did I.
Speaker 5: But that seems very committal to a direction for a franchise.
Speaker 5: Not even that's not even like cryptic, as they say.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any secret of the fact that
Speaker 2: Sean Payton and Russell Wilson are not on the same
Speaker 2: page and probably not on the same sideline.
Speaker 3: I just don't see it, you know.
Speaker 2: And even when you know Russ and Sean are on
Speaker 2: the sidelines and Shawn's right in his face there, I mean,
Speaker 2: Russ doesn't change his temperament there. But I mean he's
Speaker 2: thirty five. Where did the magic go?
Speaker 3: His man?
Speaker 2: Did he have it in Seattle? And all of a
Speaker 2: sudden he got to Denver and he just didn't have
Speaker 2: that mojo? And now if you're Pittsburgh, do you say
Speaker 2: that's the guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty two, Russell had fifteen starts and the
Speaker 5: Broncos were four and eleven, and he was bad sixteen touchdowns,
Speaker 5: eleven picks, and everyone jumped off the bandwagon. Last year
Speaker 5: the Broncos were seven and eight, non threatening, but seven
Speaker 5: and eight he was a sixty six percent passer with
Speaker 5: twenty eight touchdowns and eight picks. In theory, you would
Speaker 5: love aquarterback to throw us twenty eight touchdowns at eight picks,
Speaker 5: but it didn't feel great at all.
Speaker 3: Wait, they only played fifteen games. He played fifteen games
Speaker 3: Russ played fifteen, Yes, oh, oh okay.
Speaker 5: If Russ was seven and eight, twenty six touchdowns, eight picks,
Speaker 5: But it felt I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that there's numbers, yes, and there's numbers like numbers
Speaker 2: don't lie when you go, oh okay, fourth quarter, comeback,
Speaker 2: all of those things you could put up. You know,
Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill had a career of Hey, those aren't bad numbers. There,
Speaker 2: even Kirk Cousins where you go, those aren't bad numbers.
Speaker 5: Three years ago in Indianapolis, Carson wentz through twenty seven
Speaker 5: touchdowns and seven picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you probably don't remember any of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels like it feels like they're going to move
Speaker 2: on from Russ. Feels like the Vikings are to keep
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. And I just get the feeling if that
Speaker 2: GM didn't draft Justin Fields, you're not fully committed to him,
Speaker 2: because you'd already say, look, we're keeping him. Now come
Speaker 2: up and give us a trade proposal, because they did
Speaker 2: that year. We see how that worked out. Yeah, Martin,
Speaker 2: if you're the Falcons, do you try to go after
Speaker 2: Justin Fields or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: Oh, Justin Fields? Yes, I mean I want to see
Speaker 3: what I have with a young group there, and let's
Speaker 3: go out and have fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why, well, he's from there, and I think putting him
Speaker 2: on turf inside. He's got some weapons there and maybe
Speaker 2: they maybe they accept who he is. The Bears wanted
Speaker 2: him to throw from the pocket. The GM even says, well,
Speaker 2: he's got to improve from the pocket.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think if I'm Atlanta, I just go, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: let's be like the Ravens. Let's have some fun here.
Speaker 2: Put some pressure on the defense there. Doesn't mean it's
Speaker 2: going to be successful, but I think it would be fun.
Speaker 2: It's like Kyler Murray. You know, Arizona, you're in with
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray. That's a different kind of offense than you
Speaker 2: know most teams have, so utilize his talents. I would
Speaker 2: try to use. I would say to justin Fields, do
Speaker 2: your best to stay healthy the entire season. Good luck,
Speaker 2: good luck. But our approach is going to be to
Speaker 2: have you be the dual threat that Lamar Jackson is,
Speaker 2: and you're going to run the ball. We're going to
Speaker 2: put pressure on the defense. You got Bijeon, you got Pits,
Speaker 2: you got London. We have some weapons here now, we
Speaker 2: need to utilize those weapons. Let's go out and have
Speaker 2: some fun. Yeah, point, I.
Speaker 5: Think you're absolutely right. It's like when they told Cam
Speaker 5: Newton to stay in the pocket after his MVP year
Speaker 5: and he's like, I'm not running anymore, or Michael Vick,
Speaker 5: let's stop the running justin fields and bijon. You want
Speaker 5: like eleven hundred yards out of one and fifteen hundred
Speaker 5: out of the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see.
Speaker 6: But there's only been something like thirty four quarterbacks who
Speaker 6: have won the Super Bowl in the history of the game. Okay,
Speaker 6: and Russell Wilson is one of them, and he's also
Speaker 6: gotten you there again a second time. I think people
Speaker 6: undervalue how difficult it is to just get there, let
Speaker 6: alone win one. And then, in the face of the
Speaker 6: promise of a kid who has three seasons to prove
Speaker 6: that he could do it, so far hasn't shown it,
Speaker 6: but I don't Maybe if we gets exactly the right
Speaker 6: temperature inside the dome, maybe he can. People grossly undervalue
Speaker 6: just getting to the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not even talking about getting to the super
Speaker 2: Bowl in Atlanta. I'm talking about getting to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: So I'm talking about being relevant. Russ is thirty five?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do I want to have a thirty five thirty six
Speaker 2: year old quarterback with that young group. I would roll
Speaker 2: the dice and say, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna
Speaker 2: try this. Plus you know I can get Justin Fields.
Speaker 2: What am I gonna have to pay for us? Is
Speaker 2: Russ gonna come in and go I'm gonna pay for
Speaker 2: play for one dollar? You know, Hey, I want to
Speaker 2: prove that the Denver made a mistake there. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're both gonna cost you, but Justin Fields, I think
Speaker 2: coming in proving something young and a good group there,
Speaker 2: that would be fun. I mean that that's just my
Speaker 2: feeling on it.
Speaker 3: Have some fun.
Speaker 6: How did Russell turn get thirty five already? I don't
Speaker 6: know the hell how did that happen? You know, his
Speaker 6: spiritual advisor passed away. That was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: And maybe yes, and we had him on the show.
Speaker 2: Nice guy, and that might have had Russ doesn't seem
Speaker 2: Russ gives you the impression that he's really confident, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he's been confident there. And now you
Speaker 2: have a coach that you know has yelled at you
Speaker 2: on the sidelines and has talked about, hey, we're exploring
Speaker 2: the possibility here. That's a you know, he was going
Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame. Now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: is he going to be a backup? Is he going
Speaker 2: to be taking the minimum veterans minimum to play court?
Speaker 2: Like it's wild to fall from grace there, but feels
Speaker 2: like Denver's moving on because Sean Payton is going to
Speaker 2: won his next Drew Brees and he realizes it's not
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson Junior the third yeah point.
Speaker 5: Unless Russ can somehow pull off the Kurt Warner come
Speaker 5: from nowhere back half of the career. Even though Kurt
Speaker 5: Warner didn't complete the deal with Arizona, getting Arizona the
Speaker 5: super Bowl was like winning a super Bowl.
Speaker 2: He made it to the Hall of Fame because he
Speaker 2: got Arizona to the super Bowl in my opinion correct.
Speaker 2: And he even said, what do you think I have
Speaker 2: to do? And I said, if you get Arizona to
Speaker 2: the super Bowl, you'll make the Hall of Fame. And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking in getting Arizona to the super Bowl. And
Speaker 2: then he did, yes, Mark and performed great in the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. If it didn't take an amazing pass from
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger. He wins a Super Bowl with the Rams,
Speaker 2: who were always the sorry as Rams, and then the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Right well, Also I found the meme. Okay, so it's
Speaker 2: a guy drinking a beer with names crossed out. Simeon Osweiler,
Speaker 2: keenan Keenum, Allen, Locke, Bridgewater, Russell Wilson all cross cross downrrect.
Speaker 2: So he's saying the next one, Russ has already crossed it.
Speaker 2: He is already crossed that. Yes he is sorry, Yes
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 5: Hackton Lenz never forget.
Speaker 3: And Russ has his house for sale in Denver hell pricey,
Speaker 3: Yes it is pricey. Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if JJ McCarthy from Michigan will be
Speaker 2: able to afford that if he goes yes time.
Speaker 8: I'm not a Russell.
Speaker 9: Wilson apologist, but I watched enough games to know that
Speaker 9: there was improvement from this past year to the year before.
Speaker 9: And you could blame it on Hacket or whatever. But
Speaker 9: when they let him roll out and have the option
Speaker 9: to buy some time to get these young receivers open,
Speaker 9: they're far better in their offense. When he's allowed to run,
Speaker 9: I know he's not there. He's thirty five and he
Speaker 9: can't run the way he is.
Speaker 3: Do you think Sean Payton would understand that? I mean
Speaker 3: you did, Yeah, but you have.
Speaker 9: I watched every game and when he sits in the pocket,
Speaker 9: he just gets sacked over and over again.
Speaker 8: When something positive happens, it's.
Speaker 3: Because I watched on record.
Speaker 2: You're going to make the decision Broncos keep Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: or do they move on and draft a quarterback time.
Speaker 8: I think they move on, but I wouldn't have a problem.
Speaker 2: No, no, I want you to know we've made the decision.
Speaker 2: You can't do both. I'm saying what I would do
Speaker 2: with the Broncos, will do what the what you would.
Speaker 3: Do if you're running the Broncos.
Speaker 9: Ultimately, with all these young quarterback options. I'm gonna preface
Speaker 9: it by saying, yeah, I guess they got.
Speaker 2: To move on.
Speaker 9: It's not what they signed up for, not at that salary.
Speaker 9: And if they couldn't, Okay, now it's your choice, my choice.
Speaker 9: I would give Russell Wilson one more shot. Okay, I
Speaker 9: think the Broncos will move on, but I would I
Speaker 9: wouldn't be totally I wouldn't be heartbroken if they ran it.
Speaker 9: Back with him and mixed up the offense a little
Speaker 9: more to have him run some more. But I could
Speaker 9: see the Broncos and after those arguments on the sideline,
Speaker 9: it's going to be very hard to believe that they're
Speaker 9: going to stay with Wilson.
Speaker 3: That clears that up. How about we take a break here.
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Speaker 2: Age seven to seven to three DP show. We'll get
Speaker 2: to your phone calls coming up. I think we settle
Speaker 2: on a poll question which quarterback is more likely to
Speaker 2: be with a new team, Russell Wilson, Kirk d Cousins
Speaker 2: or Justin Fields.
Speaker 3: That's what we're going with. First hour, Seaton correct Monday. Okay,
Speaker 3: any updates early returns yet on this poll question.
Speaker 6: I think that this is a little recency bias, not really,
Speaker 6: but right now fifty six percent of the audience have
Speaker 6: Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins staying right where he is.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 2: I think the Vikings are going to say, hey, we
Speaker 2: want you back, here's your deal, and that Kirk, who's
Speaker 2: made a lot of money in his career, will say
Speaker 2: all right, I'll stay here.
Speaker 5: Yet, Plus, you know Kirk, he doesn't want to pull
Speaker 5: his kids out of school.
Speaker 3: Now, you know, and can't do that. You can't do that.
Speaker 2: Chris mannix Sports Illustrated. They're a senior NBA writer back
Speaker 2: on the program. Always great to see Chris. Let me
Speaker 2: start with the All Star Game? Is there any fallout
Speaker 2: from how bad that basketball was?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 2: Is there anything you could do, or the commissioner or
Speaker 2: the players Association are going to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's make this something a little bit more appealing.
Speaker 8: I think there will be attempts DAN next season to
Speaker 8: modify the game once again. I think something that's on
Speaker 8: the table right now now is a USA versus the
Speaker 8: World type of game, which would be kind of the
Speaker 8: latest incarnation of what this game has been. I think
Speaker 8: there's been and there will continue to be conversations about
Speaker 8: upping the financial incentive to winners of this game. We
Speaker 8: saw that work to some effect with making the ND
Speaker 8: season tournaments a little bit more competitive, and the NBA
Speaker 8: is going to try that. But when I think of
Speaker 8: the All Star Game, DAN, I'm reminded of something that
Speaker 8: the great Larry Merchant, who covered boxing so many years
Speaker 8: for HBO, once set about boxing, and that's you can't
Speaker 8: save it and you can't kill it. And that's kind
Speaker 8: of how I feel about the All Star Game. I
Speaker 8: don't think it's going to get appreciably better because today's
Speaker 8: NBA players simply don't care about it, and it's never
Speaker 8: going to go away because regardless of what people like
Speaker 8: you and me think about it, it's still going to
Speaker 8: draw up between five and seven million viewers every single year,
Speaker 8: which would be the equivalent of the highest rated regular
Speaker 8: season game that the NBA has.
Speaker 2: I suggested yesterday, just off hand, how about the first
Speaker 2: team to two hundred, so there is some kind of
Speaker 2: incentive or that, you know, you get to two hundred,
Speaker 2: you win the game.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that's not I mean, that's it's kind
Speaker 8: of similar to what they did with the elam ending
Speaker 8: right where they you know, put a score up there
Speaker 8: and said, whoever gets that score first wins, which is
Speaker 8: great at the end of games, but doesn't do a
Speaker 8: heck of a lot making it more interesting in the
Speaker 8: very beginning. I think what's what made this past All
Speaker 8: Star Game so much worse is that in years past
Speaker 8: it's been that bad. You know, it hasn't been two
Speaker 8: hundred points for one team record scoring bad, but it's
Speaker 8: been a bad game. It's been salvaged to a certain
Speaker 8: degree by the fact that the last few minutes or
Speaker 8: competitive that you had guys for at least five minutes
Speaker 8: during that game competing like it was an actual game.
Speaker 8: This game didn't have that because it was out of hand,
Speaker 8: you know, really by the start of the second half
Speaker 8: and there was no competitive fourth quarter. So all the
Speaker 8: NBA can hope for I think moving forward is that
Speaker 8: the game stays close enough that we get some of
Speaker 8: those moments down the stretch where we had it. Was
Speaker 8: it a year ago when it was Jason Tatum versus
Speaker 8: Jalen Brown who were on opposite teams. You know, maybe
Speaker 8: you get Luca, you know, versus Giannis on opposite teams.
Speaker 8: I think that's the best the NBA can hope for
Speaker 8: at the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: And I would love, you know, the rest of the
Speaker 2: world versus the United States. But let's say I did
Speaker 2: that this year. Who were you taking If I give
Speaker 2: you the world or you take the players from the
Speaker 2: United States.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Dan Like one of the conversations I've
Speaker 8: had with league people about that is, while you know,
Speaker 8: there's a natural inclination to believe that that would make
Speaker 8: the game more right, like if you're competing for your
Speaker 8: country and you're competing for the world, it has sort
Speaker 8: of an Olympic style vibe to it. The problem is
Speaker 8: the two guys that were the most indifferent to the
Speaker 8: All Star Game were Nikola Jokic and Luka Daci. Like
Speaker 8: they could not have cared less about the outcome of
Speaker 8: that game. You know, Jokic was just there trying to
Speaker 8: win mills at the end. Luca took a seventy five
Speaker 8: footer in the second quarter. He went for two for
Speaker 8: one at the end of the second quarter from seventy
Speaker 8: five feet away. This is These are not guys that
Speaker 8: are acting serious about that game, and I'm not criticizing
Speaker 8: them for it. You know, if I'm Luca and I'm
Speaker 8: Jokic and I just want to relax Overall Star weekend,
Speaker 8: That's kind of how I would treat it. But I
Speaker 8: don't think getting you know, the best of Europe and
Speaker 8: Asia together on the on one team is going to
Speaker 8: suddenly get the motivational and competitive juices of Luca and
Speaker 8: Nikola Jokich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it can't hurt.
Speaker 2: So I think you have to look at these and say,
Speaker 2: all right, I think that they would play harder because
Speaker 2: they are It's US against the NBA, you know, the
Speaker 2: United States. So you would get Canada and then you
Speaker 2: would get the rest of the world. And I would
Speaker 2: take the rest of the world versus players from born
Speaker 2: in America.
Speaker 8: Yeah, in a vacuum, Yes, I would probably do that,
Speaker 8: and I think it could create some interesting storylines going
Speaker 8: into the game and some fun narratives. But Dan, I've
Speaker 8: never known you to be this kind of wide eyed
Speaker 8: optimist to think that it would suddenly make these guys
Speaker 8: care about the outcome of the game. And the only
Speaker 8: thing would make these guys care is if, like, you know,
Speaker 8: some gambling outfit came in and offered, you know, three
Speaker 8: million dollars for a player for the winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but fans, I'm fans would hate that that we
Speaker 2: have to incentiviize you for playing in an All Star game.
Speaker 8: Now, that which brings me back to the original point.
Speaker 8: You can't kill it and you can't save it. It's
Speaker 8: going to be exactly what it's going to be. Lebron
Speaker 8: said that, hey, let's let Bronnie be a kid and
Speaker 8: back off here. But he did say at one point,
Speaker 8: what a month ago, that Bronni could play for the
Speaker 8: Lakers right now. And then I started to wonder about
Speaker 8: that comment by Lebron. Was he hyping his son or
Speaker 8: was he saying to Laker management, this is how bad
Speaker 8: we are. I'm trying to figure out, because you know
Speaker 8: how passive aggressive Lebron is, but now he's saying, hey,
Speaker 8: maybe hadn't lived up to your expectations and the mock drafts,
Speaker 8: let's just let him be a kid. But Lebron has
Speaker 8: hyped his own son right before a very eyes. I
Speaker 8: think it's a little bit of both. That you know,
Speaker 8: off the cuff comment about how Bronny could play in
Speaker 8: the NBA right now, when it was said at the
Speaker 8: time the Lakers were still going through a process where
Speaker 8: they weren't very good and there were opportunities for that
Speaker 8: team to get better via trade. And we know the
Speaker 8: Lebron's done that. Offen did that with the hourglass, you know, tweet,
Speaker 8: you know, just before the trade deadline. He is constantly
Speaker 8: putting pressure on the front offices of the teams that
Speaker 8: he plays for. The problem I had with Lebron hosting
Speaker 8: about everybody should kind of back off Bronnie and let
Speaker 8: the kid plays is to your point. He's the one
Speaker 8: that has made the media interest ratchet up to an
Speaker 8: all time level. Dan, I'm mount in La a lot now.
Speaker 8: I've been to half a dozen USC games. I've written
Speaker 8: about Bronnie, you know, three or four times already and
Speaker 8: will continue to over the rest of this college basketball season.
Speaker 8: I'm only doing that because Lebron has put it out
Speaker 8: there that not only does he believe Bronny can play
Speaker 8: in the NBA, but he has put it out there
Speaker 8: that he wants to play with him. So the landscape
Speaker 8: of the NBA could shift seismically if we're to believe
Speaker 8: what Lebron said what was a year or so ago,
Speaker 8: that he wants to play with Bronnie. So, for example,
Speaker 8: if a team like the New York Knicks is in
Speaker 8: the back half of the first round this year and says,
Speaker 8: you know what, we've got enough young talent, We've got
Speaker 8: great depth. Screw it, Let's just use our first round
Speaker 8: draft pick draft Bronnie James and see what that means
Speaker 8: when it comes to Lebron and him wanted to play
Speaker 8: with his son. That's the reason the interest is ratcheted
Speaker 8: up to the level that it is because Lebron has
Speaker 8: created it. So I think it's disingenuous to be critical
Speaker 8: of the mock drafters and the reporters that are watching
Speaker 8: Bronnie's every move because the reality is that Lebron put
Speaker 8: that spotlight on him by tying his own future to it.
Speaker 3: And when I saw the mock drafts.
Speaker 2: You know, here's Bronni coming back from the heart condition
Speaker 2: and he needs a full year and needs to come back.
Speaker 2: I think people are afraid to say the obvious is
Speaker 2: Bronnie is not an NBA player. He's not even close
Speaker 2: to it right now. He's you know, third or fourth
Speaker 2: best player on his own team. Here is he all
Speaker 2: appearances a good kid. You know, he knows the game.
Speaker 2: He you know, sees the court, can pass, plays defense.
Speaker 2: But he needs to stay another year. I think when
Speaker 2: the mock drafts put him in, because then you get
Speaker 2: more clicks. If you look at these mock drafts, Chris,
Speaker 2: and I know you have, most of the players are
Speaker 2: from Europe. The top ten players. You might get a
Speaker 2: player out of Kentucky, or you might get a player
Speaker 2: out of Colorado, and everybody else is from overseas. Here
Speaker 2: put Bronnie in a mock draft, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you care. You don't care about some guy from
Speaker 2: Perth who is French and he could go second overall.
Speaker 2: And I think that I think my feeling is mock
Speaker 2: drafters putting Bronnie in did a disservice to him because
Speaker 2: he is not an NBA player certainly right now.
Speaker 8: I think that's there's truths to that, because you know,
Speaker 8: last year you could do mock drafts and generate interest
Speaker 8: because it was the Victor Webbin Yama year and the
Speaker 8: fascination with him was incredible. This year, I don't think
Speaker 8: that mock drafters are necessarily throwing him in there because
Speaker 8: it will generate more web traffic. That's definitely a byproduct
Speaker 8: of it. But they're doing what I'm doing and talking
Speaker 8: to a lot of college scouts and asking every single day,
Speaker 8: is this kid getting better? What is his draft potential?
Speaker 8: If he was on the board when you drafted, say
Speaker 8: in the second round, would you take a flyer on him?
Speaker 7: Dan?
Speaker 8: I agree with you. I am not a draft knick,
Speaker 8: but I've seen a lot of Brownie this year. As
Speaker 8: of right now, he is not an NBA player. I
Speaker 8: think he has the potential to become one, because I
Speaker 8: do think he has elite defensive skills and I think
Speaker 8: he is a pretty good playmaker who, if given more time,
Speaker 8: can develop a more consistent three point shot. But he
Speaker 8: is probably a full year away from developing that shot,
Speaker 8: and quite frankly, Dan, he should be. He had a
Speaker 8: near cardiac event. He had a cardiac event near death
Speaker 8: over the summer. Took him four months to get back
Speaker 8: on the basketball card. He was on a minutes restriction
Speaker 8: really throughout the month of January. So it's not unusual
Speaker 8: at all that he is slowly developing in his first year.
Speaker 8: The best thing he could possibly do, I think it's
Speaker 8: been made easier because he can make a lot of
Speaker 8: money staying in college now, is to stay in school,
Speaker 8: keep developing, and then going into next year, let's see
Speaker 8: where he is, because I do believe that he can
Speaker 8: develop into a first round pick with one more year
Speaker 8: of seasoning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it, and you know I understand it.
Speaker 2: But Lebron put a spotlight er, you know, a brighter
Speaker 2: spotlight on his son and didn't let him just be
Speaker 2: a kid when you mentioned he could play for the
Speaker 2: Lakers before I let you go, At what point will
Speaker 2: we buy into the Clippers being legitimate?
Speaker 8: I think we have to already be there. They've had
Speaker 8: a little bit of a blip since the All Star
Speaker 8: Break with their defense, but I'm not overly concerned with that.
Speaker 8: I was talking to some Clippers people actually over the
Speaker 8: weekend about you know, what makes them a little bit
Speaker 8: different this year, and the obvious answer is health, right.
Speaker 8: I mean, Kawhi and Paul George missed a bunch of
Speaker 8: time last year, they haven't this season. A lot of
Speaker 8: talk about the MVP conversation right now. I think Kawhi
Speaker 8: should be squarely in it and be more in the
Speaker 8: conversation because of how he's played, how good that team
Speaker 8: has been since a slow start. But the real reason
Speaker 8: Dan that we should take this team more seriously is
Speaker 8: James Harden. I mean, that's the reality of it. I
Speaker 8: had questions about James Harden coming into this situation with
Speaker 8: the Clippers. I thought he might be a little bit
Speaker 8: too me first, going into a really important contract year.
Speaker 8: He has been the opposite of that. He has been
Speaker 8: a facilitator from day one. He's taken a lot of
Speaker 8: pressure off of Kawhi and off of Paul George, allowing
Speaker 8: them to just be finishers and not have to worry about,
Speaker 8: you know, playmaking and being an a sis guy. You know,
Speaker 8: during games this season, there was a great stat somebody
Speaker 8: brought to my attention over there. He has made the
Speaker 8: Clippers the ultimate closers, right, And this was as recently
Speaker 8: as a couple of games ago, but they were thirty
Speaker 8: one to one in games that they led going into
Speaker 8: the fourth quarter, and that they attribute a lot of
Speaker 8: to James Harden. His ability to take over games with
Speaker 8: his playmaking and later round down the stretch with his shot.
Speaker 8: He has had just an overwhelmingly positive impact on the Clippers,
Speaker 8: and I think that's raised them to a level they
Speaker 8: haven't been in years past. Because Dan, they have been
Speaker 8: searching for years for a point guard. How many point
Speaker 8: guards have they cycled through over the last five years.
Speaker 8: They brought in Rajon Rondo, they brought in John Wall,
Speaker 8: they brought in Russell Westbrook. They have been looking for
Speaker 8: somebody to claim this position. James Harden's done that and
Speaker 8: he's made them so much better.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I go back to Pooh Richardson. You know, they've been
Speaker 3: looking for great to talk to you again, Bud, So
Speaker 3: you got it.
Speaker 9: Damn.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 6: Chris.
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Speaker 2: Sho hey Otani made his spring training debut, and this
Speaker 2: is how it sounded.
Speaker 3: Three and two to show hey Otani swung I hit
Speaker 3: high in the air to the left in d this
Speaker 3: Bob carry.
Speaker 1: This Pa is gone.
Speaker 3: It is Dodger debut. That's what they've been waiting for.
Speaker 2: That's courtesy of AM five seventy LA Sports, the Dodgers
Speaker 2: radio network. There's certain players when they hit a baseball,
Speaker 2: it sounds different than anybody else, and Show Hey Tani
Speaker 2: is one of those players. And it's just when you
Speaker 2: go and then you'll have players take batting practice, and
Speaker 2: there's certain times when you go, ooh, that sounds different,
Speaker 2: and you'll just look and you'll see who it is
Speaker 2: in the cage. Now, Sometimes it's somebody you know, somebody
Speaker 2: you expect to have the ball jump off their bat.
Speaker 2: Other times it could be I've mentioned this before. First
Speaker 2: time I saw Jack Peterson play for the Dodgers and
Speaker 2: he hit a home run and I went, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that ball sounded different coming off his bat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, PAULI.
Speaker 5: By the way, I was watching the highlights, and do
Speaker 5: you know what, show Hey Otani looks like in that
Speaker 5: Dodger uniform.
Speaker 3: He so awesome, a superstar awesome.
Speaker 5: The glistening white pants and you couldn't see through them,
Speaker 5: and I was really looking, Oh okay, the blue jersey.
Speaker 5: Isn't it fascinating that someone could have what we thought
Speaker 5: was Tommy John surgery and he's right back in the
Speaker 5: batter's box a couple months later.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they keep saying it's a procedure, that
Speaker 2: he's already had Tommy John surgery. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if this time around it's Tommy John. Now he throws
Speaker 2: right bats left. I don't know what kind of impact
Speaker 2: that has or allows you to swing as freely as
Speaker 2: he does, because when I heard that he was getting
Speaker 2: Tommy John, even if it's on your right arm or
Speaker 2: right elbow, you still have to swing the bat.
Speaker 5: But I think it's a procedure that he had. PAULI,
Speaker 5: you're correct. Otani's agent, nas Bello Belelo. I'm sorry. He
Speaker 5: did an interview in mid December for the update on
Speaker 5: his progress, and he said it is not Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 5: It has no name. That's how uncommonness. Procedure was not
Speaker 5: surgery procedure. They use that word.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be the show. He Tani surgery Otani? Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 2: did you have the Otani now the Tommy John.
Speaker 5: Oh Otani is the newer model, Yes, and he said
Speaker 5: the progress and timetable is already way ahead of typical
Speaker 5: Tommy John surgery timetable. Okay, Tani, that's a good name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I don't think you want it. If it works, you.
Speaker 5: Want it, and it seems to be working.
Speaker 2: Well, are they going to change you know the Achilles
Speaker 2: surgery that Aaron Rodgers had. You know Tommy John got
Speaker 2: his own surgery named after it. Is Aaron Rodgers going
Speaker 2: to get this because his procedure was a medical advancement
Speaker 2: with that kind of injury, Yes, mar maybe, oh.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's gonna get it.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a medical advance Yes, same doctor as
Speaker 2: Joe Heyo, Tony correct. Maybe maybe we name it after
Speaker 2: the doctor he seems to be the most important person
Speaker 2: in all of this.
Speaker 5: His name is doctor Neil l. Atrasche.
Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 11: You know what, do they win one hundred and ten
Speaker 11: games and win the World Series? Or do they not
Speaker 11: even care about the regular season? Just don't lose to
Speaker 11: the Diamondbacks in the divisional round?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, take that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the beauty of baseball where you have the
Speaker 2: regular season and we put so much emphasis on the
Speaker 2: regular season and you get to the playoffs and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.
Speaker 11: I'm with see and I'm ready to go back to
Speaker 11: a to two best teams with the best records meet
Speaker 11: in the World Series.
Speaker 3: Now, that's why they keep expanding.
Speaker 2: It's more money. They want more money, more teams, more excitement.
Speaker 2: It's just like March madness. Hey sixty eight, No, let's
Speaker 2: go to ninety six.
Speaker 3: And I'm all for that.
Speaker 2: But if your team doesn't make the postseason, you lose
Speaker 2: your job. Like, let's add some drama to this other
Speaker 2: than everybody gets in. And I like how the NCAA
Speaker 2: is you know, he's talking about an inclusion. Let's get
Speaker 2: more teams. You know, you have the regular season to
Speaker 2: qualify for the tournament. That's why we have a regular
Speaker 2: season here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. See.
Speaker 6: Do you ever notice that the more we continue to
Speaker 6: tinker with sports, the more like convoluted and meaningless they get.
Speaker 6: But then it's like, no, no, no, this is how
Speaker 6: you add meaning back into it, when if you just
Speaker 6: took it as like whoever wins the most games is
Speaker 6: the winner.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's pretty simple, it's pretty basic.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, you gotta have playoffs, you gotta have revenue.
Speaker 2: We have extra layers of playoff games. Oh, you can
Speaker 2: never have too many playoff games, right in any sport.
Speaker 6: Yeah see, we won the whole season, right, but now
Speaker 6: you have to do this other second mini season where
Speaker 6: it all starts over again. But now that's the one
Speaker 6: though that really matters, is the mini season.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have six months where you proved your greatness,
Speaker 2: but you can have a two week period where you're
Speaker 2: off a little bit.
Speaker 6: And now you're a massive failure. Sorry, you're one of
Speaker 6: the overrated teams of all time. Yeah, all right, one
Speaker 6: hour in the books, two more to go. We'll go
Speaker 6: to the combine. Coming up next hour, the NFL is
Speaker 6: looking to adopt a new kickoff. Hmmm, we'll talk about that.