Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tickel the Draft Podcast, we talked
Speaker 1: about what does it mean to be impressive as a
Speaker 1: rookie at training camp? Lots of good insight there, what
Speaker 1: positions are the most interesting competition, what's making us raise
Speaker 1: our eyebrows? Man like the rock? We gotta find out
Speaker 1: and what does it mean? What do we want to
Speaker 1: see from a joint practice and our first preseason game.
Speaker 1: That all starts right now. Welcome to Ticket to the
Speaker 1: Draft Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with jes the Guy Jason,
Speaker 1: and we had our first day in pads. Jason incredibly exciting.
Speaker 2: Super exciting. I love football and so being out here
Speaker 2: at training camp. The pads are on. London Fletcher was
Speaker 2: here today.
Speaker 1: Getting me juice. Get juice. Now.
Speaker 2: So he starts, what you notice his posture changes.
Speaker 1: It's like he's an awsome.
Speaker 2: A little different.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can see him too.
Speaker 1: Fans, fans, We're going to see him Command Center live.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I love about watching training
Speaker 2: camp is I get to walk up next to you
Speaker 2: and ask you, Hey, what are they doing out here?
Speaker 2: I get to talk to London Fletcher, Hey, what is
Speaker 2: this drill mean? How are we implementing this? I get
Speaker 2: to ask Fred.
Speaker 1: Well, but he's always good for a life, He's always.
Speaker 2: Good for a laugh, right, But there are you guys
Speaker 2: are so insightful about what we're actually seeing and how
Speaker 2: it applies to football evaluation for this team that we said,
Speaker 2: you know what, let's set up a camera at training
Speaker 2: camp show the field. Have you guys commentated?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And that's what we do and we do
Speaker 2: it live. So if you can't make it out here
Speaker 2: to training camp as a fan, which you definitely should
Speaker 2: try to. The atmosphere is electric. But if you can't,
Speaker 2: our YouTube Facebook on x we are live from training
Speaker 2: camp and get to watch you guys commentate what's going on.
Speaker 2: Get to watch Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been awesome. Again, just kind of like a
Speaker 1: little peek behind the curt here to see how detail
Speaker 1: oriented this staff has been, how the individual drills have gone,
Speaker 1: like the things they're focusing, the things they're coaching. It
Speaker 1: just it just it feels everything feel so exciting and new,
Speaker 1: and you know, we want to share that with you
Speaker 1: guys to make sure you check that out.
Speaker 2: There is a different vibe, right, that's what the kids
Speaker 2: say these days, the vibe, there's a different aura, a
Speaker 2: different vibe. There is something about the urgency of practice.
Speaker 2: There's just there's something, there's something in the air, and
Speaker 2: it's it feels great. When you're out here, you'll feel
Speaker 2: it and hopefully it comes across on Command Center Live
Speaker 2: as well. But Logan, I wanted to ask you a
Speaker 2: question because we were talking about rookies here, right, So
Speaker 2: with the vibe, with the aura, with the energy, how
Speaker 2: do you stand out as a rookie? What does it
Speaker 2: mean to be impressive as a rookie at training camp?
Speaker 1: Because you did this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have to stand out here rookie here.
Speaker 2: So how did you do that? And how are you
Speaker 2: looking at rookies out there on the field today and
Speaker 2: saying like, oh.
Speaker 1: All right, you got a chance here and we're yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think the thing that I'm looking for with
Speaker 1: rookies is are they consistent? I think that's the number
Speaker 1: one thing is are they consistent? Do they come out,
Speaker 1: are they out here early? Are they staying a little
Speaker 1: bit later? Are they working their craft? Because that informs
Speaker 1: a type of professionalism that I think is important to
Speaker 1: this staff. Right. And then in conjunction with that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you handle the mental load, the
Speaker 1: mental stress of each day. I think, Dan, this is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a side is done a great
Speaker 1: job of scheduling training camp to allow these guys to
Speaker 1: be the most effective, which is awesome. But that's the
Speaker 1: first thing. Can the coaches trust you and you show
Speaker 1: that by taking what you learn in the classroom to
Speaker 1: the field. And so we have a hard time telling
Speaker 1: that exactly. But there are certain things right you know,
Speaker 1: our coach is yelling at guys. Are you having to
Speaker 1: get re lined up? Are they disappointed with how you
Speaker 1: fit or communicated a certain play? All those things around
Speaker 1: the table, And then I think the other thing is
Speaker 1: you need to see a certain level of playmaking ability.
Speaker 1: Like I go back to when I played in San
Speaker 1: Francisco with George Kittle, and so George was hurt for
Speaker 1: most of training camp and I'm like, this guy's a
Speaker 1: fifth round pick. He's been hurt the whole time. There's
Speaker 1: no way this dude makes the team. And the first
Speaker 1: day comes out to practice, what does he do. He
Speaker 1: mosses a safety for a touchdown. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. The next play's in pancakes the outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's pretty good. And then the
Speaker 1: third play is in he catches a drag rout across
Speaker 1: the middle field and runs eighty yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, guys probably making the team, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Guys probably making the team. So I
Speaker 1: think like that level of playmaking is important, and handling
Speaker 1: the mental and the mental nuance that comes with each
Speaker 1: and every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to offer something that is not
Speaker 2: based in anything. It's just words, but it's body lingk right,
Speaker 2: Like you can't quantify that in any way. That's not
Speaker 2: based in any analytics, and there is actually no football
Speaker 2: IQ needed to see any of that. But it's how
Speaker 2: are players handling stuff when they make a play? How
Speaker 2: are they reacting when they don't make a play, How
Speaker 2: are they reacting? How are coaches reacting? That doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: mean as a coach yelling at a guy, because sometimes
Speaker 2: coaches yell at guys that are going to make the
Speaker 2: team because they're trying to motivate them. At Gurgem everybody
Speaker 2: responds differently to different type of coaching.
Speaker 1: So but it is there.
Speaker 2: Is something about, Okay, I didn't make this play, but
Speaker 2: my head's up. I'm running back into the muddle. I'm
Speaker 2: ready for the next one. Okay, here we go, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make the next play versus, oh no,
Speaker 2: I didn't make the play. Head down, slunking over, walking
Speaker 2: back slow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think the other thing that comes
Speaker 1: out is I was just thinking, not about the rookies,
Speaker 1: but a couple of these young wide receivers and there's
Speaker 1: a guy that's having hard time catching the football, but
Speaker 1: there's also a guy who catches the ball every single
Speaker 1: time it's thrown to him. And if you're at practice
Speaker 1: and you're watching that, you'll get a feel for that.
Speaker 1: Over the course of the day. It's like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: guy is maybe not the most flashy guy, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not being loud and crazy, but he's been consistent. And
Speaker 1: I think if you're here and you're kind of keeping
Speaker 1: track of people catching football's right, keep track of that
Speaker 1: because that stuff is usually pretty indicative. I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: i'ving been out here a couple of days of the
Speaker 1: whole you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and it skews all the noise if you
Speaker 2: hear that over the mics. We are out here in
Speaker 2: the heat at the at the practice. They're tightening up
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 1: They're making it nice in that field over there, that
Speaker 1: little turf field, they're digging that sucker up. You've got
Speaker 1: to come out to practice and see all the new stuff.
Speaker 2: It's new. They are building from the ground up here,
Speaker 2: and that means the infrastructure as well. One more question
Speaker 2: before we go. When we look at the practice, when
Speaker 2: we watch a practice, when fans come out and see
Speaker 2: training camp, we're only seeing twenty five percent of what's evaluated.
Speaker 2: That's a number I made up. Maybe that's true, maybe
Speaker 2: that isn't. But DQ talked about this in one of
Speaker 2: his pressers. They come in, they have meetings, then they
Speaker 2: go out, they try and implement what they had in
Speaker 2: their meeting out in practice. Then they go back and
Speaker 2: they review it, and then they install something else at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, the next install and then
Speaker 2: they come back the next day they look at that
Speaker 2: insul then they go out and they practice it. So
Speaker 2: practice out on the field, actually in pads moving around
Speaker 2: is a very small percentage of what is going into
Speaker 2: this team, and we are not seeing what a lot
Speaker 2: of these rookies are doing off this field, So how
Speaker 2: do we evaluate as fans, how are rookies doing versus
Speaker 2: maybe inside the building.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good question. And I
Speaker 1: think you know, Dan and today today is press conference
Speaker 1: brought up the quarterback room, and that's obviously a room
Speaker 1: a group that is very like mentally demanding, right, But
Speaker 1: what he said is like, you know, the question was
Speaker 1: regarding like how many guys are you going to keep,
Speaker 1: you know, and Dan's like, you know, because Sam Hartman
Speaker 1: hasn't begin a lot of throws. And Dan was like,
Speaker 1: you know, well, the evaluation process for our guys is
Speaker 1: more comprehensive than that. We want to know. We want
Speaker 1: to see guys that are good in the room, that
Speaker 1: can develop, that are put in the extra time. And
Speaker 1: when you look at Sam Hartman in conjunction with those comments,
Speaker 1: you say, he's a guy that's obviously doing a good
Speaker 1: job in there. Because Dan made it an endpoint of
Speaker 1: the meeting saying or in the press of the day saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that you know might not be
Speaker 1: get a lot opportunities, but he's maximizing his opportunity in
Speaker 1: the building, right, great. And then he's a guy that,
Speaker 1: in conjunction with some other rookies, you stay in after
Speaker 1: practice every single day to throw. So he's not getting
Speaker 1: throws in practice, but he's making sure he's maximizing his time.
Speaker 1: So if I'm looking at a guy that I think
Speaker 1: could be developmental, he's done a great job in the
Speaker 1: meetings with that stuff you just talked about. He's done
Speaker 1: a great job in the field being a pro and
Speaker 1: saying i might not begetting the reps in practice, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure I'm ready when my opportunity comes.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about this the other day, like
Speaker 1: when he's been in there for probably ten reps all
Speaker 1: of training camp so far, and three of them have
Speaker 1: been like big time throws, Like he's found open guys
Speaker 1: down the field, and again he's working with the threes,
Speaker 1: but maximizing your opportunity. So again, like Dan saying that
Speaker 1: kind of revealing what's going on in there with him,
Speaker 1: seeing him put that extra work out on the field,
Speaker 1: that all kind of coalesces and orbits this idea that yes,
Speaker 1: practice is important, but like how are you as a student,
Speaker 1: how are you as a teammate, how are you as
Speaker 1: a pro, and that a lot of that is revealed
Speaker 1: in the media room, not on the practice field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam doesn't get a lot of throws in practice.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's not going to make this team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they were running a two minute drill fifty yard
Speaker 2: plus that's what it was. And he comes in, this
Speaker 2: is his only series.
Speaker 1: He's going to get it.
Speaker 2: This first throw thirty yards down the sideline, beautiful, right,
Speaker 2: just hey, I'm not going to get many opportunities. Let
Speaker 2: it rip. And it was a perfect pass. And again,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he's gonna make the team. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean he's not gonna make the team because he's not
Speaker 2: getting those reps. There's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 2: But it is cool to see that, right, like to
Speaker 2: see rookies when they get their number called, going out
Speaker 2: there and making the play. So let's move on to
Speaker 2: the notion of winning jobs, because that's what all these
Speaker 2: rookies are trying to do. They're trying to win jobs. Now,
Speaker 2: it is way too early for us to be saying
Speaker 2: who's gonna make the team who isn't. That's not what
Speaker 2: I mean by winning jobs. As a guy who's done,
Speaker 2: who did this for attend years in the league of like,
Speaker 2: I need to come out to camp and I need
Speaker 2: to make sure that I am on this team. That's
Speaker 2: what I mean. What are you looking for from that?
Speaker 2: What these guys got to do? And what are you
Speaker 2: seeing out at camp where it's like, Okay, these guys
Speaker 2: are there's a competition here right there. They're going to
Speaker 2: make it difficult because good teams cut good players, right,
Speaker 2: and that's what we want here. We want good players
Speaker 2: to be cut. Not necessarily we want them to be cut.
Speaker 2: I don't personally you want that, but I want the competition,
Speaker 2: the talent level to be so high here in Washington
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to let somebody go that's a good player.
Speaker 2: So what are some of the positions that you're seeing? Man,
Speaker 2: there's some good competition here. It's gonna be tough, tough
Speaker 2: sledding for coaches. I had with trying to figure out
Speaker 2: who makes this team.
Speaker 1: I think the number one spot probably is the defensive
Speaker 1: back group. I think those guys have just been kind
Speaker 1: of the next level, you know what I mean. In
Speaker 1: terms of expectations. You mentioned Tyler Owens, like he's had
Speaker 1: a great camp so far, but like does he make
Speaker 1: the team, and so you know, it's just the competition
Speaker 1: there is crazy. And what I'd say, what you need
Speaker 1: to see from those guys is a level of consistency
Speaker 1: and a certain level of playmaking ability. Right. So, because
Speaker 1: we've been talking about Tyler Owens, to just sit on
Speaker 1: him for a second, like you see him flash right
Speaker 1: and again, that level of consistency day in and day out.
Speaker 1: It's important. But in order for him to kind of
Speaker 1: say I deserve to make this and take this and
Speaker 1: this to be my job where I need to be
Speaker 1: in this six man rotation of dimes, strong safety, free safety,
Speaker 1: maybe a Buffalo Nickel type role. I started, I need
Speaker 1: to start making more plays consistently. Right, So like today
Speaker 1: with that Kasmaran thing, that ball's got to come out,
Speaker 1: even though it's a great play, get that ball out right,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's like, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: playing big boy football. He moves with the twos, he's
Speaker 1: getting more reps. And I think that that's ultimately what
Speaker 1: you want to see. What you want to see in
Speaker 1: terms of kind of differentiating yourself, it's making plays. It's
Speaker 1: the consistency and the mental kind of grind, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you're watching like Ben Sinnett, you know, like
Speaker 1: they got him playing fullback, they got him playing tight end,
Speaker 1: they got him playing a wing. He's playing in the slot.
Speaker 1: Can he balance all those plates? And so far, so good,
Speaker 1: And he hasn't really had a ton of mental mistakes
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell. They're not barking at
Speaker 1: Ben to get back in the huddle or he's misaligned,
Speaker 1: like he's doing what he's supposed to do. So it's
Speaker 1: the mental consistency. It's throwing in enough plays to kind
Speaker 1: of show you belong and then not being afraid on
Speaker 1: a day like today with the pads on of the physicality,
Speaker 1: and I think all those things are kind of hard
Speaker 1: to evaluate and hard to juggle. Like I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Mike Sam but I haven't. He hasn't stood
Speaker 1: out to me. And that doesn't mean he's doing a
Speaker 1: bad job, right because like when I've seen him, like
Speaker 1: when they're doing punt return drills, I'm like, there's no
Speaker 1: quicker human alive than him, right, Or when they're doing
Speaker 1: dB runfit drills over with the defense and you're watching him,
Speaker 1: you're like, man, like, look how quickly he's able to
Speaker 1: fit that gap. I haven't seen him in team because
Speaker 1: our angles all crazy are all off to the side,
Speaker 1: So it's hard to kind of account for every position
Speaker 1: because you're watching the offense some plays, you're watching the
Speaker 1: defense some plays. I want to talk about him more
Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to win a starting job.
Speaker 1: I can say from what I've seen, he's done a
Speaker 1: good job. But it's that's the that's the challenge for
Speaker 1: us in terms of evaluating this is like we don't
Speaker 1: get the play to play, the down to down kind
Speaker 1: of look at these guys that the coaches do.
Speaker 2: What are you seeing out there that's making you raise
Speaker 2: an eyebrown? Oh okay, like not a negative play and
Speaker 2: they're like, ah, like the rock right yeah, when like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I smell what you're cooking there? Yeah, what are you
Speaker 2: seeing out there where it's like you maybe didn't expect
Speaker 2: this out of them, or like they're coming in here
Speaker 2: and they're doing something that's a little unique to you
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh man, that's exciting for this rookie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's It kind of depends on the
Speaker 1: position obviously, but obviously I got to start with like
Speaker 1: kind of the big dog, the elephant of the room,
Speaker 1: and that's Jadeen Daniels. You know, every time he's throwing
Speaker 1: the football, he's got great touch on the ball, his feet,
Speaker 1: his playmaking ability. We talked about that, the consistency. It
Speaker 1: never feels like it's too big for him. Like all
Speaker 1: those things we just talked about in terms of winning
Speaker 1: the job. He does that. So you know, the every
Speaker 1: day he's been pretty on it right. You know, there's
Speaker 1: days that are a minuses, there's days that are c pluses,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of right in that positive variance, which
Speaker 1: you love to see. You see the physical talent, he
Speaker 1: see his ability to make plays, and you see the
Speaker 1: fact that despite all the speed and all the physicality,
Speaker 1: he's not overly flustered. So he's a guy that to me,
Speaker 1: every time he's out there, I'm not saying it's must
Speaker 1: see TV, but he just consistently makes the right decision.
Speaker 1: And I love when I see Cliff kind of putting
Speaker 1: a little fairy dust on a play. We got a
Speaker 1: little something going on shift different person or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and Jayden knows exactly what Cliff's trying to get out
Speaker 1: of that and where the ball needs to go. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's a mature, competent football player. So
Speaker 1: to me, that gives me a big eyebrow raise from
Speaker 1: the rock, you know what I'm saying, Like that gets
Speaker 1: me pretty excited.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I mean the millions and millions of
Speaker 2: LSU fans, that's a rock reference. We're not wrong when
Speaker 2: they said this guy has it, like we're starting to
Speaker 2: see it here. And so you hear this sometimes when
Speaker 2: you have a rookie come in. It's not just quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it applies mostly to quarterbacks. Says, Oh, it
Speaker 2: takes them a little bit, like you see, it takes
Speaker 2: them a little bit get used to the speed. And
Speaker 2: that may very well be true for Jaden, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't look like it. He's out there with some veterans
Speaker 2: that are on this team and he doesn't look like
Speaker 2: he is processing any slower or moving any slower. And
Speaker 2: for a rookie coming right in, that's exciting. I hope
Speaker 2: that that stays through the joint practice and through preseason.
Speaker 2: And obviously he is a rookie. There are going to
Speaker 2: be growing pains, but you expect certain things in training
Speaker 2: camp out of the gate with a rookie quarterback. You're
Speaker 2: kind of ingrained to be like they're gonna it's gonna
Speaker 2: take him a little bit. It just doesn't look like
Speaker 2: it's taken him a little bit. It looks like he's
Speaker 2: hit the ground running. Let's move on real quick.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Two joint practices, IDJ just reference the next time we
Speaker 2: come on, we'll probably be after that first preseason game
Speaker 2: against the New York Jets. So what would you want
Speaker 2: to see in a joint practice? Why is a joint
Speaker 2: practice for rookies It's more important than training camp a
Speaker 2: regular training camp practice because everybody says, these joint practices,
Speaker 2: that's where you get that's where you really get some evaluation.
Speaker 1: And I'm really glad you brought that up, Jason, because
Speaker 1: like the thing about joint practice is like think about
Speaker 1: regular practice, is you've been working with the same guys, right,
Speaker 1: same guys for all of Otier's, all of mini camp,
Speaker 1: all of training camp, and as a former player, you
Speaker 1: develop a feel for that guy. You understand what he
Speaker 1: wants to do, he knows what you want to do,
Speaker 1: and that hyper competitiveness is good for you, but it
Speaker 1: also is comfortable because you're like, I know, this defense.
Speaker 1: I know when he lines up like this, he's stunning
Speaker 1: across my face. I know when he's tight like this,
Speaker 1: he's doing it as a false read because he wants
Speaker 1: me to step tight like I know that about him
Speaker 1: as a person. And it's because you get so many
Speaker 1: reps with the same guys, and so one of the
Speaker 1: things we just talked about in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: like what does it take to win a position or
Speaker 1: what do you want to see from a rookie? In
Speaker 1: terms of that, what is the word I'm looking for
Speaker 1: that consistency day in and day out. Is what happens
Speaker 1: when we change the paradigm, right, what happens when we're
Speaker 1: playing a different defense. Can you take what we've learned
Speaker 1: in the classroom and apply it to the field. Can
Speaker 1: you take what you've learned in the classroom and the
Speaker 1: techniques we've learned over the last three months and apply
Speaker 1: it to this new personnel? Or you know, does Brandon
Speaker 1: Coleman go out there and lose his mind when he
Speaker 1: sees you know, Hassan Reddick rushing the passer for example,
Speaker 1: It's going to be stressful for him. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a different personnel, But it does does he just
Speaker 1: kind of sit in and say I got this, I
Speaker 1: be here, I belong or does he kind of panic
Speaker 1: And you see a lot of rookies. You know, I
Speaker 1: went through this in my first couple of joint practices
Speaker 1: where you're like you get almost panicked because you're like,
Speaker 1: I have to do something different, I have to try harder.
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, you have to go the other way.
Speaker 1: You have to kind of tighten it up, Tighten the screws,
Speaker 1: tighten the technique, tighten the focus. And that's that's, to me,
Speaker 1: is the sign of a true professional. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good indicator in this joint practice of saying,
Speaker 1: you're a good player versus our guys every single day,
Speaker 1: but are you good enough to play NFL football? And
Speaker 1: I think this is a really good gauge of that
Speaker 1: because it's like, all of a sudden, everything is a
Speaker 1: little bit different, and if you can handle that change,
Speaker 1: you're in a good spot.
Speaker 2: How does that bleed then into the preseason game, because
Speaker 2: that's what we're going to get to see as fans.
Speaker 2: We don't get to see that joint practice, we'll hear
Speaker 2: a little bit out of it. The rumors and whatnot,
Speaker 2: but we'll actually see it on that game on Saturday.
Speaker 2: So what do we look for in the preseason game
Speaker 2: to kind of like give us how a rookie has
Speaker 2: progressed from the joint practices to that.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's again, this used to be the
Speaker 1: only thing we had, right, joint practices weren't as popular,
Speaker 1: and obviously they've become more popular in recent years, and
Speaker 1: rightfully so, because you're trying to protect your quarterback, you're
Speaker 1: trying to keep people safe. But I think the preseason
Speaker 1: is a great indicator of that because it's the same
Speaker 1: thing we just talked about, but a different a different
Speaker 1: set of clothes. Right they you know, you got to
Speaker 1: put your uniform now, you got to walk out to
Speaker 1: the field, you got to do your warm up, you're
Speaker 1: on TV. Now, you're with a new you're in a
Speaker 1: new environment. They're in a new environment. And again it's
Speaker 1: really simple, but can you handle that uptick and stress?
Speaker 1: And there are guys that handle it beautifully and their
Speaker 1: gamers and they look better than you ever thought they
Speaker 1: would on the you know, based on what they did
Speaker 1: in practice, that's awesome. And other guys they they shrivel
Speaker 1: up and they die in that kind of environment. So
Speaker 1: I think it's that. I think it's the other the
Speaker 1: same thing you get from joint practice and the difference
Speaker 1: in competition also, So I think the joint practice is
Speaker 1: important because teams are going to show they're going to
Speaker 1: do more to flush you. From a technical standpoint, You're
Speaker 1: going to get to see more of the Jets offense
Speaker 1: or defense. And as a rookie, like, how do I
Speaker 1: handle Like if I'm Mike sander Still and I'm the
Speaker 1: nickel player and we've got a tight bunch and they
Speaker 1: motion to it, do I know my checks versus that?
Speaker 1: You know, It's not like I've been here out you
Speaker 1: know with Cliff and I've got the script that I'm
Speaker 1: really ready to go. It's like I'm playing a game
Speaker 1: and it's lets me see, I don't get that kind
Speaker 1: of stress. I get the stress of Ron TV. It's
Speaker 1: a game, Like do I still think clearly and make
Speaker 1: plays when I have to?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say watch special teams preseason like that.
Speaker 2: That's going to be where you find out as a
Speaker 2: as a fan, what the coaching staff is going to
Speaker 2: be thinking when it comes to the bottom of the roster.
Speaker 2: When you start getting close to that fifty three man,
Speaker 2: whoever is running out there on special teams, that's big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real big.
Speaker 2: So see who's running out there on special teams, and
Speaker 2: if they're making plays on special teams consistently, that's a
Speaker 2: good indication that they may make this team.
Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent right. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's something we talked about on our Command Center podcast
Speaker 1: when we were first day of training camp. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's really not the sixth wide receiver eth versus the
Speaker 1: fifth wide receiver. It's the fifth and sixth wide receiver
Speaker 1: versus the fourth tight end, the third running back, the
Speaker 1: sixth linebacker, the seventh defensive end. Like all those guys
Speaker 1: are competing for those special team snaps, and whoever comes
Speaker 1: out there and does a good job and is that
Speaker 1: dog like, they're going to make the team. And so
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a depth chart, obviously look at
Speaker 1: the ones and the twos and how they tried out there.
Speaker 1: But look at that first the ones kickoff, right, is
Speaker 1: your favorite rookie on that team? Yes, then it's a
Speaker 1: good chance they're going to make the fifty three. And
Speaker 1: obviously as the preseason goes on, there's a lot of time, right,
Speaker 1: a lot of time to kind of hiccup or accelerate
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's not the end all be all,
Speaker 1: but it's a pretty good indication of the pulse in
Speaker 1: the direction the coaches are thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Tyler Owens a lot, just from what
Speaker 2: I've seen here in training camp. You had a really
Speaker 2: good day the other day. You could tell you had
Speaker 2: a good day because of body language. Making plays doesn't
Speaker 2: guarantee he's going to make this team. So I am
Speaker 2: very interested to see specialty against New York Jets. When
Speaker 2: we see that on Saturday. I'm going to keep my
Speaker 2: eye out for him, and I hope he makes some
Speaker 2: place and I hope that all this that we've been
Speaker 2: seeing out here translates over there for him that in
Speaker 2: that vein this is not on the sheet. Give me
Speaker 2: one rookie you're looking for the scene in the preseason game.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I think there's kind of can we tear this out?
Speaker 1: Can we do like different levels?
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously Jayden Daniels in the preseason game, if
Speaker 1: he does play, what does he look like? You know, again,
Speaker 1: we've seen him every day in practice. Does that carry
Speaker 1: over if he goes this franchise goes, So obviously that's
Speaker 1: a big one for me. The Ben Sinnat thing I
Speaker 1: think is fast Ben Sinnett thing, excuse me, is fascinanding
Speaker 1: because it's like, how are they going to use him?
Speaker 1: And they're not going to show too much in the preseason,
Speaker 1: but like, where is he lining up? How does he
Speaker 1: catch the football? Does he get some opportunities in the
Speaker 1: past game. Luke McCaffrey kind of in that same note,
Speaker 1: he's been a little bit quiet out here. I love
Speaker 1: watching him practice. I love the intention, I love the focus,
Speaker 1: I love the physicality. I just want to see him
Speaker 1: catching footballs, you know, and he had hasn't done that
Speaker 1: at a super It's not that he has that he's
Speaker 1: dropping balls, just isn't a lot of opportunities and sometimes that's
Speaker 1: how practice goes. So does that change once we get
Speaker 1: into joint practice in preseason? And obviously, again the Brandon
Speaker 1: Coleman thing, if he does play, is he the Brandon
Speaker 1: Coleman we saw today or is he the Brandon Coleman
Speaker 1: from the first week of mini camp and OTAs like
Speaker 1: he has he shown that maturation. So that's kind of again,
Speaker 1: all those guys are probably making the team. That's a
Speaker 1: want to cluster them kind of by themselves. In terms
Speaker 1: of that next group of guys, I'm how do they
Speaker 1: use Dominie Campton, Is Tyler Owens playing teams? Is NORL
Speaker 1: Powell the defensive tackle? Does he flash with some pass
Speaker 1: rush juice? Does he cover kicks? I mean that's something
Speaker 1: they were messing around with him. So if he's covering kicks,
Speaker 1: like obviously, they're trying to find a way to justify
Speaker 1: him making the roster. And then those two young running backs,
Speaker 1: I think are two other guys that have kind of
Speaker 1: circled that and for whatever reason, every preseason one of
Speaker 1: those UDFA running backs makes a splash and ends up
Speaker 1: kind of making waves to either make the practice squad
Speaker 1: or make a blate push for the roster. So those
Speaker 1: are some guys. And then chinogier A Newsium is a
Speaker 1: guy that has just the quarterback from Caliro State, his physicality,
Speaker 1: his speed. He's been a little bit banged up the
Speaker 1: past couple of days, but I want to see him
Speaker 1: out there because he's a guy that during the off
Speaker 1: season process, well, I was just like, dude, this guy
Speaker 1: looks like a guy and he hasn't been playing because
Speaker 1: of the injury, but if he can, that'd be awesome
Speaker 1: and I think that'd be cool. And then one more guy,
Speaker 1: because I know we just lifted off like twelve people.
Speaker 1: Is Jordan McGee the linebacker? Because again they're moving him
Speaker 1: all over the front right now, that's Tanna's gag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we get a Can he find a consistent home
Speaker 1: and make some football plays because that would be pretty fantastic.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for football to be back. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see actual football to my TV. I wish
Speaker 2: we could see the joint practices because really we could
Speaker 2: maybe get more out of that than these preseason games
Speaker 2: these days. But I'm yeah, I'm super excited. Like you said,
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels, Right, that's the guy, that's the guy.
Speaker 2: You want to see him. You want to see him
Speaker 2: do well. So Logan, thanks so much for being a
Speaker 2: party to take to the draft. We'll be back after
Speaker 2: that first preseason game, right yeah, all right, lock it in,
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