1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,519 Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tickel the Draft Podcast, we talked 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: about what does it mean to be impressive as a 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: rookie at training camp? Lots of good insight there, what 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: positions are the most interesting competition, what's making us raise 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: our eyebrows? Man like the rock? We gotta find out 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: and what does it mean? What do we want to 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: see from a joint practice and our first preseason game. 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: That all starts right now. Welcome to Ticket to the 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Draft Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with jes the Guy Jason, 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: and we had our first day in pads. Jason incredibly exciting. 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: Super exciting. I love football and so being out here 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 2: at training camp. The pads are on. London Fletcher was 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: here today. 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: Getting me juice. Get juice. Now. 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: So he starts, what you notice his posture changes. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: It's like he's an awsome. 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: A little different. 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can see him too. 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Fans, fans, We're going to see him Command Center live. 21 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: One of the things that I love about watching training 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: camp is I get to walk up next to you 23 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: and ask you, Hey, what are they doing out here? 24 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: I get to talk to London Fletcher, Hey, what is 25 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 2: this drill mean? How are we implementing this? I get 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: to ask Fred. 27 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Well, but he's always good for a life, He's always. 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: Good for a laugh, right, But there are you guys 29 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: are so insightful about what we're actually seeing and how 30 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: it applies to football evaluation for this team that we said, 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: you know what, let's set up a camera at training 32 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: camp show the field. Have you guys commentated? 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 34 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: No, absolutely, And that's what we do and we do 35 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: it live. So if you can't make it out here 36 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: to training camp as a fan, which you definitely should 37 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: try to. The atmosphere is electric. But if you can't, 38 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: our YouTube Facebook on x we are live from training 39 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: camp and get to watch you guys commentate what's going on. 40 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Get to watch Jade and Daniels. 41 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been awesome. Again, just kind of like a 42 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: little peek behind the curt here to see how detail 43 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: oriented this staff has been, how the individual drills have gone, 44 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: like the things they're focusing, the things they're coaching. It 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: just it just it feels everything feel so exciting and new, 46 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and you know, we want to share that with you 47 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: guys to make sure you check that out. 48 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 2: There is a different vibe, right, that's what the kids 49 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: say these days, the vibe, there's a different aura, a 50 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: different vibe. There is something about the urgency of practice. 51 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: There's just there's something, there's something in the air, and 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: it's it feels great. When you're out here, you'll feel 53 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: it and hopefully it comes across on Command Center Live 54 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: as well. But Logan, I wanted to ask you a 55 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: question because we were talking about rookies here, right, So 56 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: with the vibe, with the aura, with the energy, how 57 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: do you stand out as a rookie? What does it 58 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: mean to be impressive as a rookie at training camp? 59 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: Because you did this? 60 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have to stand out here rookie here. 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: So how did you do that? And how are you 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: looking at rookies out there on the field today and 63 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: saying like, oh. 64 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: All right, you got a chance here and we're yeah. 65 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: So I think the thing that I'm looking for with 66 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: rookies is are they consistent? I think that's the number 67 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: one thing is are they consistent? Do they come out, 68 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: are they out here early? Are they staying a little 69 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: bit later? Are they working their craft? Because that informs 70 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: a type of professionalism that I think is important to 71 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: this staff. Right. And then in conjunction with that, like, 72 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, how do you handle the mental load, the 73 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: mental stress of each day. I think, Dan, this is 74 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of a side is done a great 75 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: job of scheduling training camp to allow these guys to 76 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: be the most effective, which is awesome. But that's the 77 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: first thing. Can the coaches trust you and you show 78 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: that by taking what you learn in the classroom to 79 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: the field. And so we have a hard time telling 80 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: that exactly. But there are certain things right you know, 81 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: our coach is yelling at guys. Are you having to 82 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: get re lined up? Are they disappointed with how you 83 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: fit or communicated a certain play? All those things around 84 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: the table, And then I think the other thing is 85 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: you need to see a certain level of playmaking ability. 86 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Like I go back to when I played in San 87 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: Francisco with George Kittle, and so George was hurt for 88 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: most of training camp and I'm like, this guy's a 89 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: fifth round pick. He's been hurt the whole time. There's 90 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: no way this dude makes the team. And the first 91 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: day comes out to practice, what does he do. He 92 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: mosses a safety for a touchdown. I was like, Okay, 93 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: that's pretty good. The next play's in pancakes the outside linebacker. 94 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's pretty good. And then the 95 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: third play is in he catches a drag rout across 96 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: the middle field and runs eighty yards for a touchdown. 97 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: So I'm like, guys probably making the team, you know 98 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Guys probably making the team. So I 99 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: think like that level of playmaking is important, and handling 100 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: the mental and the mental nuance that comes with each 101 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: and every day. 102 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to offer something that is not 103 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: based in anything. It's just words, but it's body lingk right, 104 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: Like you can't quantify that in any way. That's not 105 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: based in any analytics, and there is actually no football 106 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: IQ needed to see any of that. But it's how 107 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: are players handling stuff when they make a play? How 108 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: are they reacting when they don't make a play, How 109 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: are they reacting? How are coaches reacting? That doesn't necessarily 110 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: mean as a coach yelling at a guy, because sometimes 111 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: coaches yell at guys that are going to make the 112 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: team because they're trying to motivate them. At Gurgem everybody 113 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: responds differently to different type of coaching. 114 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: So but it is there. 115 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 2: Is something about, Okay, I didn't make this play, but 116 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: my head's up. I'm running back into the muddle. I'm 117 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: ready for the next one. Okay, here we go, right, 118 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: and I'm going to make the next play versus, oh no, 119 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: I didn't make the play. Head down, slunking over, walking 120 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: back slow, you know what I'm saying. 121 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think the other thing that comes 122 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: out is I was just thinking, not about the rookies, 123 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: but a couple of these young wide receivers and there's 124 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: a guy that's having hard time catching the football, but 125 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: there's also a guy who catches the ball every single 126 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: time it's thrown to him. And if you're at practice 127 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: and you're watching that, you'll get a feel for that. 128 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Over the course of the day. It's like, Oh, this 129 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: guy is maybe not the most flashy guy, maybe he's 130 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: not being loud and crazy, but he's been consistent. And 131 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: I think if you're here and you're kind of keeping 132 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: track of people catching football's right, keep track of that 133 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: because that stuff is usually pretty indicative. I'll tell you, 134 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: i'ving been out here a couple of days of the 135 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: whole you. 136 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and it skews all the noise if you 137 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: hear that over the mics. We are out here in 138 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: the heat at the at the practice. They're tightening up 139 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: the field. 140 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: They're making it nice in that field over there, that 141 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: little turf field, they're digging that sucker up. You've got 142 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: to come out to practice and see all the new stuff. 143 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: It's new. They are building from the ground up here, 144 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: and that means the infrastructure as well. One more question 145 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: before we go. When we look at the practice, when 146 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: we watch a practice, when fans come out and see 147 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 2: training camp, we're only seeing twenty five percent of what's evaluated. 148 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: That's a number I made up. Maybe that's true, maybe 149 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: that isn't. But DQ talked about this in one of 150 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: his pressers. They come in, they have meetings, then they 151 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: go out, they try and implement what they had in 152 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: their meeting out in practice. Then they go back and 153 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: they review it, and then they install something else at 154 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: the end of the day, the next install and then 155 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: they come back the next day they look at that 156 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: insul then they go out and they practice it. So 157 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: practice out on the field, actually in pads moving around 158 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: is a very small percentage of what is going into 159 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: this team, and we are not seeing what a lot 160 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: of these rookies are doing off this field, So how 161 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: do we evaluate as fans, how are rookies doing versus 162 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: maybe inside the building. 163 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good question. And I 164 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: think you know, Dan and today today is press conference 165 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: brought up the quarterback room, and that's obviously a room 166 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: a group that is very like mentally demanding, right, But 167 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: what he said is like, you know, the question was 168 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: regarding like how many guys are you going to keep, 169 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, and Dan's like, you know, because Sam Hartman 170 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: hasn't begin a lot of throws. And Dan was like, 171 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, well, the evaluation process for our guys is 172 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: more comprehensive than that. We want to know. We want 173 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: to see guys that are good in the room, that 174 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: can develop, that are put in the extra time. And 175 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: when you look at Sam Hartman in conjunction with those comments, 176 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: you say, he's a guy that's obviously doing a good 177 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: job in there. Because Dan made it an endpoint of 178 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: the meeting saying or in the press of the day saying, hey, 179 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: this is a guy that you know might not be 180 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: get a lot opportunities, but he's maximizing his opportunity in 181 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: the building, right, great. And then he's a guy that, 182 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: in conjunction with some other rookies, you stay in after 183 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: practice every single day to throw. So he's not getting 184 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: throws in practice, but he's making sure he's maximizing his time. 185 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: So if I'm looking at a guy that I think 186 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: could be developmental, he's done a great job in the 187 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: meetings with that stuff you just talked about. He's done 188 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: a great job in the field being a pro and 189 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: saying i might not begetting the reps in practice, but 190 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure I'm ready when my opportunity comes. 191 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: And we were talking about this the other day, like 192 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: when he's been in there for probably ten reps all 193 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: of training camp so far, and three of them have 194 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: been like big time throws, Like he's found open guys 195 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: down the field, and again he's working with the threes, 196 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: but maximizing your opportunity. So again, like Dan saying that 197 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: kind of revealing what's going on in there with him, 198 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: seeing him put that extra work out on the field, 199 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: that all kind of coalesces and orbits this idea that yes, 200 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: practice is important, but like how are you as a student, 201 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: how are you as a teammate, how are you as 202 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: a pro, and that a lot of that is revealed 203 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: in the media room, not on the practice field. 204 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam doesn't get a lot of throws in practice. 205 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's not going to make this team. Yeah, 206 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: but they were running a two minute drill fifty yard 207 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: plus that's what it was. And he comes in, this 208 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: is his only series. 209 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: He's going to get it. 210 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 2: This first throw thirty yards down the sideline, beautiful, right, 211 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: just hey, I'm not going to get many opportunities. Let 212 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: it rip. And it was a perfect pass. And again, 213 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he's gonna make the team. It doesn't 214 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: mean he's not gonna make the team because he's not 215 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: getting those reps. There's a lot that goes into it. 216 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: But it is cool to see that, right, like to 217 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: see rookies when they get their number called, going out 218 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: there and making the play. So let's move on to 219 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: the notion of winning jobs, because that's what all these 220 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: rookies are trying to do. They're trying to win jobs. Now, 221 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: it is way too early for us to be saying 222 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: who's gonna make the team who isn't. That's not what 223 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: I mean by winning jobs. As a guy who's done, 224 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: who did this for attend years in the league of like, 225 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 2: I need to come out to camp and I need 226 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 2: to make sure that I am on this team. That's 227 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: what I mean. What are you looking for from that? 228 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: What these guys got to do? And what are you 229 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: seeing out at camp where it's like, Okay, these guys 230 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 2: are there's a competition here right there. They're going to 231 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: make it difficult because good teams cut good players, right, 232 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: and that's what we want here. We want good players 233 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: to be cut. Not necessarily we want them to be cut. 234 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: I don't personally you want that, but I want the competition, 235 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: the talent level to be so high here in Washington 236 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to let somebody go that's a good player. 237 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: So what are some of the positions that you're seeing? Man, 238 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: there's some good competition here. It's gonna be tough, tough 239 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: sledding for coaches. I had with trying to figure out 240 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: who makes this team. 241 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I think the number one spot probably is the defensive 242 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: back group. I think those guys have just been kind 243 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: of the next level, you know what I mean. In 244 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: terms of expectations. You mentioned Tyler Owens, like he's had 245 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: a great camp so far, but like does he make 246 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: the team, and so you know, it's just the competition 247 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: there is crazy. And what I'd say, what you need 248 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: to see from those guys is a level of consistency 249 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: and a certain level of playmaking ability. Right. So, because 250 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: we've been talking about Tyler Owens, to just sit on 251 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: him for a second, like you see him flash right 252 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: and again, that level of consistency day in and day out. 253 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: It's important. But in order for him to kind of 254 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: say I deserve to make this and take this and 255 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: this to be my job where I need to be 256 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: in this six man rotation of dimes, strong safety, free safety, 257 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: maybe a Buffalo Nickel type role. I started, I need 258 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: to start making more plays consistently. Right, So like today 259 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: with that Kasmaran thing, that ball's got to come out, 260 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: even though it's a great play, get that ball out right, 261 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's like, Okay, he's 262 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: playing big boy football. He moves with the twos, he's 263 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: getting more reps. And I think that that's ultimately what 264 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: you want to see. What you want to see in 265 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: terms of kind of differentiating yourself, it's making plays. It's 266 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: the consistency and the mental kind of grind, you know, 267 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: like when you're watching like Ben Sinnett, you know, like 268 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: they got him playing fullback, they got him playing tight end, 269 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: they got him playing a wing. He's playing in the slot. 270 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Can he balance all those plates? And so far, so good, 271 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: And he hasn't really had a ton of mental mistakes 272 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: as far as I can tell. They're not barking at 273 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: Ben to get back in the huddle or he's misaligned, 274 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: like he's doing what he's supposed to do. So it's 275 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: the mental consistency. It's throwing in enough plays to kind 276 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: of show you belong and then not being afraid on 277 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: a day like today with the pads on of the physicality, 278 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: and I think all those things are kind of hard 279 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: to evaluate and hard to juggle. Like I want to 280 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: talk about Mike Sam but I haven't. He hasn't stood 281 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: out to me. And that doesn't mean he's doing a 282 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: bad job, right because like when I've seen him, like 283 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: when they're doing punt return drills, I'm like, there's no 284 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: quicker human alive than him, right, Or when they're doing 285 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: dB runfit drills over with the defense and you're watching him, 286 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: you're like, man, like, look how quickly he's able to 287 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: fit that gap. I haven't seen him in team because 288 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: our angles all crazy are all off to the side, 289 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: So it's hard to kind of account for every position 290 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: because you're watching the offense some plays, you're watching the 291 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: defense some plays. I want to talk about him more 292 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to win a starting job. 293 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: I can say from what I've seen, he's done a 294 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: good job. But it's that's the that's the challenge for 295 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: us in terms of evaluating this is like we don't 296 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: get the play to play, the down to down kind 297 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: of look at these guys that the coaches do. 298 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: What are you seeing out there that's making you raise 299 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: an eyebrown? Oh okay, like not a negative play and 300 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: they're like, ah, like the rock right yeah, when like, yeah, 301 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: I smell what you're cooking there? Yeah, what are you 302 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: seeing out there where it's like you maybe didn't expect 303 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: this out of them, or like they're coming in here 304 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: and they're doing something that's a little unique to you 305 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: and it's like, oh man, that's exciting for this rookie. 306 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's It kind of depends on the 307 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 1: position obviously, but obviously I got to start with like 308 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: kind of the big dog, the elephant of the room, 309 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: and that's Jadeen Daniels. You know, every time he's throwing 310 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: the football, he's got great touch on the ball, his feet, 311 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: his playmaking ability. We talked about that, the consistency. It 312 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: never feels like it's too big for him. Like all 313 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: those things we just talked about in terms of winning 314 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: the job. He does that. So you know, the every 315 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: day he's been pretty on it right. You know, there's 316 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: days that are a minuses, there's days that are c pluses, 317 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: but he's kind of right in that positive variance, which 318 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: you love to see. You see the physical talent, he 319 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: see his ability to make plays, and you see the 320 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: fact that despite all the speed and all the physicality, 321 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: he's not overly flustered. So he's a guy that to me, 322 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: every time he's out there, I'm not saying it's must 323 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: see TV, but he just consistently makes the right decision. 324 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: And I love when I see Cliff kind of putting 325 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: a little fairy dust on a play. We got a 326 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: little something going on shift different person or whatever it is, 327 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: and Jayden knows exactly what Cliff's trying to get out 328 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: of that and where the ball needs to go. And 329 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's a mature, competent football player. So 330 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: to me, that gives me a big eyebrow raise from 331 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: the rock, you know what I'm saying, Like that gets 332 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: me pretty excited. 333 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, and I mean the millions and millions of 334 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: LSU fans, that's a rock reference. We're not wrong when 335 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: they said this guy has it, like we're starting to 336 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: see it here. And so you hear this sometimes when 337 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: you have a rookie come in. It's not just quarterbacks, 338 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: but yeah, it applies mostly to quarterbacks. Says, Oh, it 339 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: takes them a little bit, like you see, it takes 340 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: them a little bit get used to the speed. And 341 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: that may very well be true for Jaden, but it 342 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: doesn't look like it. He's out there with some veterans 343 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: that are on this team and he doesn't look like 344 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: he is processing any slower or moving any slower. And 345 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: for a rookie coming right in, that's exciting. I hope 346 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,479 Speaker 2: that that stays through the joint practice and through preseason. 347 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: And obviously he is a rookie. There are going to 348 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: be growing pains, but you expect certain things in training 349 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: camp out of the gate with a rookie quarterback. You're 350 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: kind of ingrained to be like they're gonna it's gonna 351 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: take him a little bit. It just doesn't look like 352 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: it's taken him a little bit. It looks like he's 353 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: hit the ground running. Let's move on real quick. 354 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: Here. 355 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: Two joint practices, IDJ just reference the next time we 356 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: come on, we'll probably be after that first preseason game 357 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: against the New York Jets. So what would you want 358 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: to see in a joint practice? Why is a joint 359 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: practice for rookies It's more important than training camp a 360 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: regular training camp practice because everybody says, these joint practices, 361 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: that's where you get that's where you really get some evaluation. 362 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: And I'm really glad you brought that up, Jason, because 363 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: like the thing about joint practice is like think about 364 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: regular practice, is you've been working with the same guys, right, 365 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: same guys for all of Otier's, all of mini camp, 366 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: all of training camp, and as a former player, you 367 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: develop a feel for that guy. You understand what he 368 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: wants to do, he knows what you want to do, 369 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: and that hyper competitiveness is good for you, but it 370 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: also is comfortable because you're like, I know, this defense. 371 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: I know when he lines up like this, he's stunning 372 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: across my face. I know when he's tight like this, 373 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: he's doing it as a false read because he wants 374 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: me to step tight like I know that about him 375 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: as a person. And it's because you get so many 376 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: reps with the same guys, and so one of the 377 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: things we just talked about in terms of, you know, 378 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: like what does it take to win a position or 379 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: what do you want to see from a rookie? In 380 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: terms of that, what is the word I'm looking for 381 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: that consistency day in and day out. Is what happens 382 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: when we change the paradigm, right, what happens when we're 383 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: playing a different defense. Can you take what we've learned 384 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: in the classroom and apply it to the field. Can 385 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: you take what you've learned in the classroom and the 386 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: techniques we've learned over the last three months and apply 387 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: it to this new personnel? Or you know, does Brandon 388 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: Coleman go out there and lose his mind when he 389 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: sees you know, Hassan Reddick rushing the passer for example, 390 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: It's going to be stressful for him. It's going to 391 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: be a different personnel, But it does does he just 392 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: kind of sit in and say I got this, I 393 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: be here, I belong or does he kind of panic 394 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: And you see a lot of rookies. You know, I 395 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: went through this in my first couple of joint practices 396 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: where you're like you get almost panicked because you're like, 397 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: I have to do something different, I have to try harder. 398 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: But it's like, no, you have to go the other way. 399 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: You have to kind of tighten it up, Tighten the screws, 400 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: tighten the technique, tighten the focus. And that's that's, to me, 401 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: is the sign of a true professional. And I think 402 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: it's a really good indicator in this joint practice of saying, 403 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: you're a good player versus our guys every single day, 404 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: but are you good enough to play NFL football? And 405 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: I think this is a really good gauge of that 406 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: because it's like, all of a sudden, everything is a 407 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: little bit different, and if you can handle that change, 408 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: you're in a good spot. 409 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: How does that bleed then into the preseason game, because 410 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: that's what we're going to get to see as fans. 411 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: We don't get to see that joint practice, we'll hear 412 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: a little bit out of it. The rumors and whatnot, 413 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: but we'll actually see it on that game on Saturday. 414 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: So what do we look for in the preseason game 415 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: to kind of like give us how a rookie has 416 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: progressed from the joint practices to that. 417 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's again, this used to be the 418 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: only thing we had, right, joint practices weren't as popular, 419 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: and obviously they've become more popular in recent years, and 420 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: rightfully so, because you're trying to protect your quarterback, you're 421 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: trying to keep people safe. But I think the preseason 422 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: is a great indicator of that because it's the same 423 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: thing we just talked about, but a different a different 424 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: set of clothes. Right they you know, you got to 425 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: put your uniform now, you got to walk out to 426 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: the field, you got to do your warm up, you're 427 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: on TV. Now, you're with a new you're in a 428 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: new environment. They're in a new environment. And again it's 429 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: really simple, but can you handle that uptick and stress? 430 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: And there are guys that handle it beautifully and their 431 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: gamers and they look better than you ever thought they 432 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: would on the you know, based on what they did 433 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: in practice, that's awesome. And other guys they they shrivel 434 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: up and they die in that kind of environment. So 435 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: I think it's that. I think it's the other the 436 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: same thing you get from joint practice and the difference 437 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: in competition also, So I think the joint practice is 438 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: important because teams are going to show they're going to 439 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: do more to flush you. From a technical standpoint, You're 440 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 1: going to get to see more of the Jets offense 441 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: or defense. And as a rookie, like, how do I 442 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: handle Like if I'm Mike sander Still and I'm the 443 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: nickel player and we've got a tight bunch and they 444 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: motion to it, do I know my checks versus that? 445 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: You know, It's not like I've been here out you 446 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: know with Cliff and I've got the script that I'm 447 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: really ready to go. It's like I'm playing a game 448 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: and it's lets me see, I don't get that kind 449 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: of stress. I get the stress of Ron TV. It's 450 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: a game, Like do I still think clearly and make 451 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: plays when I have to? 452 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say watch special teams preseason like that. 453 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: That's going to be where you find out as a 454 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: as a fan, what the coaching staff is going to 455 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: be thinking when it comes to the bottom of the roster. 456 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: When you start getting close to that fifty three man, 457 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: whoever is running out there on special teams, that's big. 458 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real big. 459 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: So see who's running out there on special teams, and 460 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: if they're making plays on special teams consistently, that's a 461 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: good indication that they may make this team. 462 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: I think that's one hundred percent right. And you know, 463 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: it's something we talked about on our Command Center podcast 464 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: when we were first day of training camp. It's like, 465 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: it's really not the sixth wide receiver eth versus the 466 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: fifth wide receiver. It's the fifth and sixth wide receiver 467 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: versus the fourth tight end, the third running back, the 468 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: sixth linebacker, the seventh defensive end. Like all those guys 469 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: are competing for those special team snaps, and whoever comes 470 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: out there and does a good job and is that 471 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: dog like, they're going to make the team. And so 472 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: if you're looking for a depth chart, obviously look at 473 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: the ones and the twos and how they tried out there. 474 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: But look at that first the ones kickoff, right, is 475 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: your favorite rookie on that team? Yes, then it's a 476 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: good chance they're going to make the fifty three. And 477 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: obviously as the preseason goes on, there's a lot of time, right, 478 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: a lot of time to kind of hiccup or accelerate 479 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's not the end all be all, 480 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: but it's a pretty good indication of the pulse in 481 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: the direction the coaches are thinking. 482 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Tyler Owens a lot, just from what 483 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: I've seen here in training camp. You had a really 484 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: good day the other day. You could tell you had 485 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 2: a good day because of body language. Making plays doesn't 486 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 2: guarantee he's going to make this team. So I am 487 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: very interested to see specialty against New York Jets. When 488 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: we see that on Saturday. I'm going to keep my 489 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: eye out for him, and I hope he makes some 490 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: place and I hope that all this that we've been 491 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: seeing out here translates over there for him that in 492 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: that vein this is not on the sheet. Give me 493 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: one rookie you're looking for the scene in the preseason game. 494 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: Gosh, I think there's kind of can we tear this out? 495 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: Can we do like different levels? 496 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: Of course. 497 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously Jayden Daniels in the preseason game, if 498 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: he does play, what does he look like? You know, again, 499 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: we've seen him every day in practice. Does that carry 500 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: over if he goes this franchise goes, So obviously that's 501 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: a big one for me. The Ben Sinnat thing I 502 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: think is fast Ben Sinnett thing, excuse me, is fascinanding 503 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: because it's like, how are they going to use him? 504 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: And they're not going to show too much in the preseason, 505 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: but like, where is he lining up? How does he 506 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: catch the football? Does he get some opportunities in the 507 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: past game. Luke McCaffrey kind of in that same note, 508 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: he's been a little bit quiet out here. I love 509 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: watching him practice. I love the intention, I love the focus, 510 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: I love the physicality. I just want to see him 511 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: catching footballs, you know, and he had hasn't done that 512 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: at a super It's not that he has that he's 513 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: dropping balls, just isn't a lot of opportunities and sometimes that's 514 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: how practice goes. So does that change once we get 515 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: into joint practice in preseason? And obviously, again the Brandon 516 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: Coleman thing, if he does play, is he the Brandon 517 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: Coleman we saw today or is he the Brandon Coleman 518 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: from the first week of mini camp and OTAs like 519 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: he has he shown that maturation. So that's kind of again, 520 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: all those guys are probably making the team. That's a 521 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: want to cluster them kind of by themselves. In terms 522 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: of that next group of guys, I'm how do they 523 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: use Dominie Campton, Is Tyler Owens playing teams? Is NORL 524 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: Powell the defensive tackle? Does he flash with some pass 525 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: rush juice? Does he cover kicks? I mean that's something 526 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: they were messing around with him. So if he's covering kicks, 527 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: like obviously, they're trying to find a way to justify 528 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: him making the roster. And then those two young running backs, 529 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: I think are two other guys that have kind of 530 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: circled that and for whatever reason, every preseason one of 531 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: those UDFA running backs makes a splash and ends up 532 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: kind of making waves to either make the practice squad 533 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: or make a blate push for the roster. So those 534 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: are some guys. And then chinogier A Newsium is a 535 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: guy that has just the quarterback from Caliro State, his physicality, 536 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: his speed. He's been a little bit banged up the 537 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: past couple of days, but I want to see him 538 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: out there because he's a guy that during the off 539 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: season process, well, I was just like, dude, this guy 540 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: looks like a guy and he hasn't been playing because 541 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: of the injury, but if he can, that'd be awesome 542 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: and I think that'd be cool. And then one more guy, 543 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: because I know we just lifted off like twelve people. 544 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: Is Jordan McGee the linebacker? Because again they're moving him 545 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: all over the front right now, that's Tanna's gag. Yeah, 546 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: can we get a Can he find a consistent home 547 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: and make some football plays because that would be pretty fantastic. 548 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for football to be back. I can't 549 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: wait to see actual football to my TV. I wish 550 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: we could see the joint practices because really we could 551 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: maybe get more out of that than these preseason games 552 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: these days. But I'm yeah, I'm super excited. Like you said, 553 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels, Right, that's the guy, that's the guy. 554 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: You want to see him. You want to see him 555 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: do well. So Logan, thanks so much for being a 556 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: party to take to the draft. We'll be back after 557 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: that first preseason game, right yeah, all right, lock it in, 558 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: h