WEBVTT - Interview: Conversate, with Killer Mike, Chapter Two: Think Global, Act Local 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.320 Folks, fellow conspiracy realists. Before we get started today, we 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.760 thought it important to let you know this is an 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:11.240 explicit series, a little bit. 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.759 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:21.159 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.200 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:29.560 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.440 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.200 Our colleague Nol is on an adventure, but will. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.720 Be returning sue they called me Ben. We're joined as 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.000 always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.960 as well as our guest producer Ramsey Wang's yunt. We 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.880 don't have time to explain the inside joke because we 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.440 are in media rest. This is part two of our 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:05.040 long reaching interview with none other than the legendary activist 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:12.759 MC community organizer, actor, award winning performer, entrepreneur, entrepreneur, Coloma 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.959 alcoholic be Look, folks, we're having a hell of a 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.720 time here with Killer Mike. So what do you say, Matt? 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.600 Maybe we just drop in in media arrests here we go. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:34.440 I wonder how much of some of this, the continual 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.399 division and inability to see each other's point of view 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.760 and have that concept that you were talking about where 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.360 a lot of people want to see the opposition silenced 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.160 rather than I wonder if that has to do with 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.960 these and yeah bubbles that we get into. Yeah, and 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.880 then we're lacking that kind of thing that maybe would 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.840 have happened at a church, or would have happened at 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.880 a some kind of a community. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.440 Theater, or just hanging out at a party. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.400 Yes, even just a party, or just doing something that 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.880 we don't do anymore because we're in these weird little cells, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.840 especially in the suburbs, where you're just kind of locked 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:10.919 in this fortress and that's it. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.600 Yeah, we are the follows, the guy that's fucked over man, 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:18.399 get outside man like it's it's it really is a cause. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.040 You you get to choose to be or have the 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.320 algorithm of people who only agree with you to you 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.359 start to think the world. You know, It's like it's 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:31.000 like being a Cowboys fan. You don't have to be 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.040 from Dallas, you don't have to be from Texas. You 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.040 don't have to you don't have to know them from 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.000 their height. They're just everywhere. So it's easy. The captain 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.880 slipp into the Cowboys mean that you know mythology of them. 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.440 And the next thing you know, you're a fucking Cowboys fan. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:45.720 This is a great team. You don't have to know 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.440 much about football. Yes, I'm a fucking Cowboys fan. This 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.519 is who we are. This is and it's weird because 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.919 it's like you you don't you don't like any other 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.400 team for any other reason, like you don't like other players. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.720 You just get so locked into it. And then you 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:04.600 got Jerry at the top, who's the fucking archbishop of Cowboys, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.680 And we start to treat whatever our thing is like 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.280 it's our favorite team. We started to become I'm a 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.919 Cowboys fan, I'm a you know, I'm a Now Commanders, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:15.000 but I'm a Redskins fan. I'm a Cleveland around the fan. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.480 And you forget that the NFL profits off of all 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.720 of it, and the players, the players that have the 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.359 weakest union of all and at the time, the players 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.600 union in the NFL could have strengthen themselves. Because this guy's 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.760 light skined guy the AFRO was kneeling. I remember this 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.800 one white guy, I think it was in Pittsburgh, decided 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.840 not to kneal of it and skip Bayless that was 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.519 one of the most intelligent things that not I don't 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.160 think Skip said and telling them stuff. It was one 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.800 of the most intelligent philosophical things, Skip said. Skip said, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.480 this guy just gave up a chance to finally break 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.480 the bargaining hole that the NFL has on his players. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.960 If he was still in the solidarity even at that moment. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.160 If you said, I don't necessarily agree with Cap on this, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.760 but if all of us players show solidarity in this moment, 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.000 we will finally have the bargaining power to get us 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.800 all guaranteed contracts, to get us better healthcare, to get that, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.200 you would have broken the stronghold in the NFL as 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.160 on the players that they can argue the NBA and 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.640 the MLB doesn't. But because you consider yourself a patriot, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.360 you didn't do the most patriotic thing stand with your 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.680 fellow American even in disagreement. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.400 Unified front. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.960 That's it. Just show you the outfront, like the red 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.080 coaster coming a bunch of motherfuckers, You know what I mean? Yeah? 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.320 Well, so is the is the lyric or the the 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.760 line punch a baby bear in his ship? 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:26.120 Is that? 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:30.840 Do you remember that? What does that mean? 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.039 I don't I don't know if that was against the 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.880 Soviet or saying I'm a bad ass motherfucker a lot 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.680 of times with one of the jewels. That's it, though, 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.000 there's a thin line between we're saying something really stoic 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.000 and we meaning we're staying on it. Man, I'm just 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.520 trying to be a bad ass motherfucker phone. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.440 So there's another thing that we just have to ask about. Yeah, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.760 you told the story before, but we were all really surprised. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.280 We're looking stuff up and we said, holy shit, Michael 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.480 was in Wiki leaks. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.560 Oh yeah yeah, Hillary Clinton sy she guess I didn't 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.560 get the message. Her campaign manager was like, she's it 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.200 sounded like she's done, Like you stoopid motherfucker. Whatever piece 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.320 of advice you gave me, the fucking works. Fat Bass 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.599 are still talking and I'm definitely afraid of the clans. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.120 Let me just say that on top, I know g 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.359 anxious when I see him, and that's not for insult. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.200 That's just to let you motherfuckers know got the message, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:21.760 jump and check. You ain't got to worry about me. 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.320 I don't need to die seriously, like if I died 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.640 like with like pounds of marijuana and a bunch of 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:27.520 strippers in the room. 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:27.960 Yeah. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.760 Yeah, if I died with coke, some other guys ship 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.320 on the walls like they got governentorial Canadi, Florida. Nah, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.799 that wasn't mean they set me up, baby, No, ma'am, 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.719 that was not don't be full. Yeah, but the girls 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.400 from the fight were just like we were having a 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.520 roaring good time to hit the ball and it was over, Like, yeah, 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.520 the bench has killed me, but at least I died 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.720 happy on him. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.080 I don't want to die like a typical politician pass 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:54.720 he gets killed. 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.880 So is it true, though, that you that you flipped 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.960 it on him when you got mentioned in wiki leaks? 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.840 So absolutely, I made I checked my lawyers, made sure 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.799 it was legal. Press that motherfucker was a T shirt 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.760 and made a bunch of money by the old school 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.600 thank you shouts out to the claims that's no bullshit. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.160 Wow, so we we. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.880 I was just pro Barney, though. I really think we 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.600 missed an opportunity to have what could have been one 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.159 of the greatest American presidents of his FDR. And I 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.599 think that, you know, I think that he has a 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.400 moral integrity. Very few politicians still having That doesn't mean 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.599 I don't think everyone is morally flawed. We all have 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.080 some flaws, but it matters of being viable. He never 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.600 seemed viable to me. And even when the old man 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.400 could have done things to to sell he didn't. I 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.240 and I greatly respect OG for that. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.640 Well, let's let's talk about the we mentioned the rooms 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.359 where people get together and make the deals, right for 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.800 the land deals or whatever it's going to be. I 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:55.279 think about places like the people Driving Club here and for. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.360 A long time deals that happened in there. 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.839 Yeah, And so I imagine some of those things happening 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.120 just in the political level when you talk about the 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:09.000 two primary arms of the government of the United States, right, 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.400 and how they can work together as one system sometimes 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.640 to prevent something like let's say a Bernie Sanders. Yeah, 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.240 that's my opinion that it was prevented, but. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.600 I know everybody knows that. Yeah, DC got down to 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:22.880 get up out of there. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.160 That's for you if you want to. It's sparkle. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:25.960 Yeah, I'm gonna get cute with that with a lemon. 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.800 Later my friends are drinking a beer and ship. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.000 Yeah, and that's look cool. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.760 Plastic water bottles bit you out like I will say, 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.200 liquid death. I got no payment from them. You guys 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.320 should hire me at this point, but liquid death. Nothing 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.600 looks cooler when you gotta be a fucking pussy and 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.880 drink water because your doctor said, hey, you know, water 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.840 will probably help fat boy. So holding the liquid death 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.360 care it makes me feel as cool as my homies 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:55.280 are holding the butt wiser can. Oh yeah, everyone stopped 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.240 holding butt light hands. I wonder why. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.680 I think it's because bud lights of trash bear. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.880 I think it's a transmitter to everyone. Every dude's on 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:08.840 the bud drinking but protested. Give a fucking the dudes 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.800 in a skirt. If that's your fucking beer, drink your beer, Bubba. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.920 Yeah, I mean this. We're taking a different direction brought 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.400 by Liquid Death as well as shadowy back rooms throughout 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:24.000 the government. At the Piedmont Driving Club, Matt, where are 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:24.720 we going with it? 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:25.080 Oh? 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.440 Oh, I don't know. I don't know where we're going 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:28.720 with it. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.000 Somebody just like to say, the people out there, your 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.680 decisions are being made for you by small groups of 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.920 people who sitting room together, despite their differences and cut deals. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.520 You can do the same thing on a very local level. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.640 I don't mean the same things in a very selfish 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:47.280 capitalistic way. It's just I remember my grandmother going to 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.640 to to a city council. The sanitation workers are skipping us. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.679 Sometimes these boys might be having a little too much 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.320 fun on lunch breaks on, but they're not making it 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.560 down our out the street. She didn't get any reprieve. 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.680 Next thing, you know, where me and her sitting theyer's 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.600 office and I'm just like, okay, we're gonna I'm gonna 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.000 sit here to Andy gets here and I'm like, oh shit. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.959 The first while she said his night like she knows them. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.600 But you eventually talked to someone from around the mirror. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:12.880 We'll get take care of doesn't get take care of 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:14.760 second weeks and I takeing care of third week. We're 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:22.520 on Action News. Fucking was it Channel two. If you 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.480 don't believe it, don't leave. She is raising hell. My 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.040 sister lives in my grandmother's house. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:28.280 Now. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.480 Our sanitation has never been late since because she understood 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.680 the power of protest and embarrassment and shaming. Because she 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.080 worked with a very small roop of women from their church, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.079 and their job was to get people out to vote 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.240 every two and four years so they were needed. And 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.280 whether it was Reverend James Orange who was organized with 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.679 SEOC and the team's just here, whether it was people 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.840 like him that were connected to people like my grandmother 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.760 or more. We need community connectors, so we need less 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.560 of you arguing online in your fucking living room on 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.960 your phone, and more of you standing in your front 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.200 yard while you do yard work talking to your neighbors. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.679 And it should start like what do you think about? 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.320 It shouldn't start well, I think right, you right, know 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.880 what I think? He's like, oh the fuck, we already 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.360 know what you think. Miss Gladys. You think your mall 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.840 broke in your car? We saw, but what why don't 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.840 you ask us? What do we think? Maybe you can 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.560 gain some new perspective, and Miss Gladdy's had some perspective 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.959 to provide to you know, you know, Miss Gladdens is the 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:27.880 reason that that knows, the old lady that stick or 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:29.960 fucking nose out the front door is the reason no 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.839 one stole anything from your porch. So you have to 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.679 appreciate those parts of her too, you know. So I 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.480 just think that Atlanta, and I don't think past the 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.800 tip of my nose. In terms of Atlanta that's arounding 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.959 areas on up through Comings and Georgia period. I need 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.720 you to know that, man, all we got is each other. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.839 We sent the man to the presidency who from a 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.480 peanut farm, who fucking went to a church with black folks, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.719 so had the empathy and the foresight to hire. And 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.920 the young who, although he was very friend and very 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.000 angry after his friend was assassinated and wanted to was 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.760 willing to do away with Western civilization, you know, to 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.040 set it right, grew into one of the greatest US 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.120 ambassadors we've ever heard. Once relieved of that position, got 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.120 a chance to mayor the city at the behest of 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.200 a woman who's an organizer, who told them, boy, you 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.120 aren't nobody when. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:12.800 You got to this city. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.240 We made you, and now we need you to run 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.640 for mayor. He was an unwilling runner and ran and 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.600 won and had the foresight to see this small, sleepy 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.880 southern town convention city as an international city and helped 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.160 do that. Grew that airport into an international airport, and 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.040 the visit the world's busy airport, got the Olympics here, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.880 and it's provided a place where if young, progressive blacks 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.679 and whites that non progressive conservaive whatever you consider yourself, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.360 will only take the time the city at tables. Together, 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.719 we can have a far more progressive for everybody. I 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.760 don't mean progressive as in the agenda. I mean progressive 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.040 city in which people who may not agree on everything 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.640 agree what's best for this city. 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.480 They can move forward and can move forward stillan I 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.240 don't know if this ad throw is going to come 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.280 right after I admitted I'm broke. But here's the maths, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.160 and we have returned. Let's dive in. I want to 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.600 go back to a point you raised that I think 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.640 a lot of people miss, especially now when we're in 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.199 this age of ubiquitous, non ending information and you feel 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.120 like you're forced to react to something. Going back to 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.720 the conversations about Middle East, Yeah, I told her, what 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.520 have you. I think one thing a lot of people 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.160 in the public forget is that these folks will come 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.240 out and they'll pretend to be on different sides of Yeah, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.920 they might disagree, they'll talk all kinds of ship to 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.040 each other, and then after the speech is over, after 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.280 the followers plasque and wu wu, then they get in 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.560 the they get in that back room or their people 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.520 call each other yeah, and they're like, all right, man, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.000 things are things are pretty hectic, but you could work 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.479 with me. Do you believe that's the actual hidden mechanism 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.000 of how this stuff hurts. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.880 I'm so theater. You're watching something theater. I was at 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.440 a W M. E. Cont Is where I spoke and 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.520 there was a high ranking perfect from Bush's cabinet and 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.240 Obama's cabinet together at the end of their sitting session talking. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.000 Because first they were talking. I'm just like, I'm sitting 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.760 out all I'm like, this ship's crazy. They talking like 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.719 their homeboys, you know what I mean, because they are 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.200 They just on different sides of an issue or something, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.560 but they are members of the same class. Somebody's you know, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.120 friend is fucking somebody else's friends and they're all friends. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:30.480 But somebody's playing broke. They can just ride with mine. 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:37.800 I was just like, you mothers, you motherfuckers aren't even 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.319 flying commercials. Then one of your playing breaks hereside, you 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.880 fucking ride with me, and it's just like you motherfuckers. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.360 You got us at the bottom biting each other. People people, 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.560 you know, people in southern cities, you know, splitting cities apart, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:54.959 resegregating in a way that that's around politics, meaning you know, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.280 everybody can be white, but the white woke crowd is 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.560 here near I'm in the white conservative It's just like 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.880 get the they're riding the same planes. It's a George 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.760 Carland that like moment, Like you know what I'm saying, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:13.200 I vote as an ancestral tribute. That's how I convinced 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.160 myself to go vote, because at my core, I am 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.480 a much more Carla Knight person than that. Like, you know, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.320 Carlin has his spiels, says, I don't fucking vote. I 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.560 don't vote. That's why I have the right to criticize. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.400 And you, Hick, one of those motherfuckers. That's why you 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.360 gotta shut the fuck up. You know what he says 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:30.240 is a big club. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.960 And I stayed at home and at least I got 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:34.480 a little son. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.880 My mother had me watching Carland because my mother, only 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.280 sixteen years older than my mother had me watching Carland 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:44.160 at six. Oh, I'm listening to Carlin and watching videotapes 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.920 and shit like this is so it's like I don't 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.720 have the capacity not to vote because my grandparents raised me. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.040 My grandmother marched with doctor King My grandfather was a 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.640 supporter of local life. He wasn't fan of big government, 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.440 but local government. He gave a fuck that Jose Williams 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.560 is on city camp. He didn't want Holsey to be 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.920 state wider nation Wilde I had. He was like Jose, 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.920 the complainer, the fucking fighter. He needs to be right here, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.280 fighting first on c count. So I vote as an 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.680 ancestral tribute, like my grandparents wanted me to vote. It 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.280 was a big thing in our household. I know why 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.160 I'm voting. I know my vote can account locally. But man, oh, 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.240 all these motherfuckers are in the same club, man, they 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:21.720 ain't ship. 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.040 Oh hey, Michael, also after this my plane broke. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:34.720 We both. Michael is a car guy like Arresto mad 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:40.000 and you, like y'all gotta come down to the garage. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.520 You you don't understand how he made a show called 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.320 car Stuff for years and years and years and knows 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.440 a lot about cars and loves cars. And I would 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.480 just be such a fan boy just looking. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:59.680 Yeah, dude, Okay, okay, I'm gonna give everybody's assignment. Man, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.400 make in with someone who doesn't look like you, not 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.000 the same religious background and ethnicity. Yes, because that's honestly 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.320 the only way we grandly toppled this wall. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:08.800 Eventually. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.200 The only way you break stereotypes is to know someone 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.400 being stereotype. So you can literally say, oh, so that's true, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.520 but now I understand why, Oh it's total bullshit. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:17.680 I agree, that's it. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.400 Let's we all grown. We're better from that. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.920 I'm thinking about back to the SELC, thinking back to 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.280 how large of a rural church is played in actually 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.960 getting a message to be one message and one idea 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.520 and then bring everybody together. And I don't know if 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.920 you've been to I've been to one suburban church in 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.960 the past, like ten years. Yeah, yeah, And I went 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.920 right before the election, and it was very interesting to 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:49.040 see how that message of unity that was present in 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.760 those times especially gone. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.760 It was gone, man, and that's out of here, and 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.600 it was placed with nationalism. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:56.640 Yeah, yep. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.840 And it's weird. It's weird place where you assume the 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.280 talking and saying Jesus is white. It's quirky right now. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.120 It's wilder even that now I see it in black churches, 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.760 like there is a black church. There's culturally a black 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.520 church in this country because there had to be. There's 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.840 a black church in this country because the black church 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.560 has picked up the political legend in times when it's needed. 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.199 Not that white churches didn't. The anti slapery movement, we 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.800 needed the Quakers, God bless their fucking weird wear souls. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.199 You know we needed those motherfuckers. You know you needed that. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.480 But there's a weird white nationalistic church movement growing out 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:37.000 of the evangelical movement that feels like I ran nineteen 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.320 seventy seven before the Islamic takeover in seventy nine. And 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.679 because you don't do your history, you don't understand or 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.320 see it coming. But it's coming, you know, the Handmaiden's 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.919 Sale is coming. You motherfuckers don't understand that there's an 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:54.560 element of white men that feel powerless and if religion 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.680 gained them the power that they seek to be over 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.000 there women, over their women's bodies, over law, over how 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.800 this country is ran, they're going to praise White Jesus 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.639 and take it. And that's going to mean everyone else 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.480 is going to be beholding to laws and rules that 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.680 they don't agree with, that interpret it from a book 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.400 that's been rewritten so many times, it's like a rap remix. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.040 And that's not to you know, chill on Christianity as 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.480 much as saying I think that there's a true and 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:24.000 higher moral ground in the Black Church in that you're 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.800 practicing a religion that was imposed on you. You're practicing the 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.560 religion that you had to gain understanding when purposely being 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.240 misunderstood because they had a slave version of Bibles. Thinks 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.080 that nature And you've remain faithful, You've you've you've given 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.800 grace where others would not. And there's a leadership role 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.359 for you. And I think that you know when you 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.160 say you going to have you won the church in Suburbs, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.160 the Black Church. I have been a dal Bron's churchmen 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.640 Jamal Broyant church. But it's time for churches to start 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.679 visiting one another again. It's time to start congregating with 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:56.720 other congregations and having hard conversations because that's the only 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.879 thing that's going to push us forward. You know, we 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.639 are all actic and religion in terms of Christianity, that 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.840 those are who claim to be Christians in which the 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.760 last person the Messiah saved on earth was a self 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.080 confessed thief. A fucking prisoner is like a guilty shit. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.439 If you're gonna go somewhere, Bubba, can I go with you? 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.520 He was the one that got to ascend with to 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.919 your with your messia to heaven. And these are the 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:22.320 most unlooked after people in your society today. So we 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.439 start talking about thirteen amendments in prisons and even at 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.880 name is Jesus life. That's who's concerned about We don't 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.840 seem to be concerned about him. Yes, And if we're 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.880 not doing that work, then we're not doing the work. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.840 Dylan, Dylan, I believe it's time for an ad break. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:47.720 Piping hot ads coming up. Woo back from the ads, 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:49.880 let's jump back in with Killer Mike. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.960 We do have some stuff that a lot of our 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.639 listeners are gonna need to hear directly from you. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:57.520 Okay, all right? 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:02.359 So with community or organizing with this think global act 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:06.560