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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Speaker 3: Our colleague Nol is on an adventure, but will.
Speaker 1: Be returning sue they called me Ben. We're joined as
Speaker 1: always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan,
Speaker 1: as well as our guest producer Ramsey Wang's yunt. We
Speaker 1: don't have time to explain the inside joke because we
Speaker 1: are in media rest. This is part two of our
Speaker 1: long reaching interview with none other than the legendary activist
Speaker 1: MC community organizer, actor, award winning performer, entrepreneur, entrepreneur, Coloma
Speaker 1: alcoholic be Look, folks, we're having a hell of a
Speaker 1: time here with Killer Mike. So what do you say, Matt?
Speaker 1: Maybe we just drop in in media arrests here we go.
Speaker 3: I wonder how much of some of this, the continual
Speaker 3: division and inability to see each other's point of view
Speaker 3: and have that concept that you were talking about where
Speaker 3: a lot of people want to see the opposition silenced
Speaker 3: rather than I wonder if that has to do with
Speaker 3: these and yeah bubbles that we get into. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then we're lacking that kind of thing that maybe would
Speaker 3: have happened at a church, or would have happened at
Speaker 3: a some kind of a community.
Speaker 1: Theater, or just hanging out at a party.
Speaker 3: Yes, even just a party, or just doing something that
Speaker 3: we don't do anymore because we're in these weird little cells,
Speaker 3: especially in the suburbs, where you're just kind of locked
Speaker 3: in this fortress and that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are the follows, the guy that's fucked over man,
Speaker 4: get outside man like it's it's it really is a cause.
Speaker 4: You you get to choose to be or have the
Speaker 4: algorithm of people who only agree with you to you
Speaker 4: start to think the world. You know, It's like it's
Speaker 4: like being a Cowboys fan. You don't have to be
Speaker 4: from Dallas, you don't have to be from Texas. You
Speaker 4: don't have to you don't have to know them from
Speaker 4: their height. They're just everywhere. So it's easy. The captain
Speaker 4: slipp into the Cowboys mean that you know mythology of them.
Speaker 4: And the next thing you know, you're a fucking Cowboys fan.
Speaker 4: This is a great team. You don't have to know
Speaker 4: much about football. Yes, I'm a fucking Cowboys fan. This
Speaker 4: is who we are. This is and it's weird because
Speaker 4: it's like you you don't you don't like any other
Speaker 4: team for any other reason, like you don't like other players.
Speaker 4: You just get so locked into it. And then you
Speaker 4: got Jerry at the top, who's the fucking archbishop of Cowboys,
Speaker 4: And we start to treat whatever our thing is like
Speaker 4: it's our favorite team. We started to become I'm a
Speaker 4: Cowboys fan, I'm a you know, I'm a Now Commanders,
Speaker 4: but I'm a Redskins fan. I'm a Cleveland around the fan.
Speaker 4: And you forget that the NFL profits off of all
Speaker 4: of it, and the players, the players that have the
Speaker 4: weakest union of all and at the time, the players
Speaker 4: union in the NFL could have strengthen themselves. Because this guy's
Speaker 4: light skined guy the AFRO was kneeling. I remember this
Speaker 4: one white guy, I think it was in Pittsburgh, decided
Speaker 4: not to kneal of it and skip Bayless that was
Speaker 4: one of the most intelligent things that not I don't
Speaker 4: think Skip said and telling them stuff. It was one
Speaker 4: of the most intelligent philosophical things, Skip said. Skip said,
Speaker 4: this guy just gave up a chance to finally break
Speaker 4: the bargaining hole that the NFL has on his players.
Speaker 4: If he was still in the solidarity even at that moment.
Speaker 4: If you said, I don't necessarily agree with Cap on this,
Speaker 4: but if all of us players show solidarity in this moment,
Speaker 4: we will finally have the bargaining power to get us
Speaker 4: all guaranteed contracts, to get us better healthcare, to get that,
Speaker 4: you would have broken the stronghold in the NFL as
Speaker 4: on the players that they can argue the NBA and
Speaker 4: the MLB doesn't. But because you consider yourself a patriot,
Speaker 4: you didn't do the most patriotic thing stand with your
Speaker 4: fellow American even in disagreement.
Speaker 3: Unified front.
Speaker 4: That's it. Just show you the outfront, like the red
Speaker 4: coaster coming a bunch of motherfuckers, You know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, so is the is the lyric or the the
Speaker 3: line punch a baby bear in his ship?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? What does that mean?
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if that was against the
Speaker 4: Soviet or saying I'm a bad ass motherfucker a lot
Speaker 4: of times with one of the jewels. That's it, though,
Speaker 4: there's a thin line between we're saying something really stoic
Speaker 4: and we meaning we're staying on it. Man, I'm just
Speaker 4: trying to be a bad ass motherfucker phone.
Speaker 1: So there's another thing that we just have to ask about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you told the story before, but we were all really surprised.
Speaker 1: We're looking stuff up and we said, holy shit, Michael
Speaker 1: was in Wiki leaks.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, Hillary Clinton sy she guess I didn't
Speaker 4: get the message. Her campaign manager was like, she's it
Speaker 4: sounded like she's done, Like you stoopid motherfucker. Whatever piece
Speaker 4: of advice you gave me, the fucking works. Fat Bass
Speaker 4: are still talking and I'm definitely afraid of the clans.
Speaker 4: Let me just say that on top, I know g
Speaker 4: anxious when I see him, and that's not for insult.
Speaker 4: That's just to let you motherfuckers know got the message,
Speaker 4: jump and check. You ain't got to worry about me.
Speaker 4: I don't need to die seriously, like if I died
Speaker 4: like with like pounds of marijuana and a bunch of
Speaker 4: strippers in the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I died with coke, some other guys ship
Speaker 4: on the walls like they got governentorial Canadi, Florida. Nah,
Speaker 4: that wasn't mean they set me up, baby, No, ma'am,
Speaker 4: that was not don't be full. Yeah, but the girls
Speaker 4: from the fight were just like we were having a
Speaker 4: roaring good time to hit the ball and it was over, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: the bench has killed me, but at least I died
Speaker 4: happy on him. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want.
Speaker 4: I don't want to die like a typical politician pass
Speaker 4: he gets killed.
Speaker 1: So is it true, though, that you that you flipped
Speaker 1: it on him when you got mentioned in wiki leaks?
Speaker 4: So absolutely, I made I checked my lawyers, made sure
Speaker 4: it was legal. Press that motherfucker was a T shirt
Speaker 4: and made a bunch of money by the old school
Speaker 4: thank you shouts out to the claims that's no bullshit.
Speaker 3: Wow, so we we.
Speaker 4: I was just pro Barney, though. I really think we
Speaker 4: missed an opportunity to have what could have been one
Speaker 4: of the greatest American presidents of his FDR. And I
Speaker 4: think that, you know, I think that he has a
Speaker 4: moral integrity. Very few politicians still having That doesn't mean
Speaker 4: I don't think everyone is morally flawed. We all have
Speaker 4: some flaws, but it matters of being viable. He never
Speaker 4: seemed viable to me. And even when the old man
Speaker 4: could have done things to to sell he didn't. I
Speaker 4: and I greatly respect OG for that.
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's talk about the we mentioned the rooms
Speaker 3: where people get together and make the deals, right for
Speaker 3: the land deals or whatever it's going to be. I
Speaker 3: think about places like the people Driving Club here and for.
Speaker 4: A long time deals that happened in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I imagine some of those things happening
Speaker 3: just in the political level when you talk about the
Speaker 3: two primary arms of the government of the United States, right,
Speaker 3: and how they can work together as one system sometimes
Speaker 3: to prevent something like let's say a Bernie Sanders. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my opinion that it was prevented, but.
Speaker 4: I know everybody knows that. Yeah, DC got down to
Speaker 4: get up out of there.
Speaker 3: That's for you if you want to. It's sparkle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna get cute with that with a lemon.
Speaker 4: Later my friends are drinking a beer and ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's look cool.
Speaker 4: Plastic water bottles bit you out like I will say,
Speaker 4: liquid death. I got no payment from them. You guys
Speaker 4: should hire me at this point, but liquid death. Nothing
Speaker 4: looks cooler when you gotta be a fucking pussy and
Speaker 4: drink water because your doctor said, hey, you know, water
Speaker 4: will probably help fat boy. So holding the liquid death
Speaker 4: care it makes me feel as cool as my homies
Speaker 4: are holding the butt wiser can. Oh yeah, everyone stopped
Speaker 4: holding butt light hands. I wonder why.
Speaker 1: I think it's because bud lights of trash bear.
Speaker 4: I think it's a transmitter to everyone. Every dude's on
Speaker 4: the bud drinking but protested. Give a fucking the dudes
Speaker 4: in a skirt. If that's your fucking beer, drink your beer, Bubba.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this. We're taking a different direction brought
Speaker 1: by Liquid Death as well as shadowy back rooms throughout
Speaker 1: the government. At the Piedmont Driving Club, Matt, where are
Speaker 1: we going with it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I don't know where we're going
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 4: Somebody just like to say, the people out there, your
Speaker 4: decisions are being made for you by small groups of
Speaker 4: people who sitting room together, despite their differences and cut deals.
Speaker 4: You can do the same thing on a very local level.
Speaker 4: I don't mean the same things in a very selfish
Speaker 4: capitalistic way. It's just I remember my grandmother going to
Speaker 4: to to a city council. The sanitation workers are skipping us.
Speaker 4: Sometimes these boys might be having a little too much
Speaker 4: fun on lunch breaks on, but they're not making it
Speaker 4: down our out the street. She didn't get any reprieve.
Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, where me and her sitting theyer's
Speaker 4: office and I'm just like, okay, we're gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 4: sit here to Andy gets here and I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 4: The first while she said his night like she knows them.
Speaker 4: But you eventually talked to someone from around the mirror.
Speaker 4: We'll get take care of doesn't get take care of
Speaker 4: second weeks and I takeing care of third week. We're
Speaker 4: on Action News. Fucking was it Channel two. If you
Speaker 4: don't believe it, don't leave. She is raising hell. My
Speaker 4: sister lives in my grandmother's house.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: Our sanitation has never been late since because she understood
Speaker 4: the power of protest and embarrassment and shaming. Because she
Speaker 4: worked with a very small roop of women from their church,
Speaker 4: and their job was to get people out to vote
Speaker 4: every two and four years so they were needed. And
Speaker 4: whether it was Reverend James Orange who was organized with
Speaker 4: SEOC and the team's just here, whether it was people
Speaker 4: like him that were connected to people like my grandmother
Speaker 4: or more. We need community connectors, so we need less
Speaker 4: of you arguing online in your fucking living room on
Speaker 4: your phone, and more of you standing in your front
Speaker 4: yard while you do yard work talking to your neighbors.
Speaker 4: And it should start like what do you think about?
Speaker 4: It shouldn't start well, I think right, you right, know
Speaker 4: what I think? He's like, oh the fuck, we already
Speaker 4: know what you think. Miss Gladys. You think your mall
Speaker 4: broke in your car? We saw, but what why don't
Speaker 4: you ask us? What do we think? Maybe you can
Speaker 4: gain some new perspective, and Miss Gladdy's had some perspective
Speaker 4: to provide to you know, you know, Miss Gladdens is the
Speaker 4: reason that that knows, the old lady that stick or
Speaker 4: fucking nose out the front door is the reason no
Speaker 4: one stole anything from your porch. So you have to
Speaker 4: appreciate those parts of her too, you know. So I
Speaker 4: just think that Atlanta, and I don't think past the
Speaker 4: tip of my nose. In terms of Atlanta that's arounding
Speaker 4: areas on up through Comings and Georgia period. I need
Speaker 4: you to know that, man, all we got is each other.
Speaker 4: We sent the man to the presidency who from a
Speaker 4: peanut farm, who fucking went to a church with black folks,
Speaker 4: so had the empathy and the foresight to hire. And
Speaker 4: the young who, although he was very friend and very
Speaker 4: angry after his friend was assassinated and wanted to was
Speaker 4: willing to do away with Western civilization, you know, to
Speaker 4: set it right, grew into one of the greatest US
Speaker 4: ambassadors we've ever heard. Once relieved of that position, got
Speaker 4: a chance to mayor the city at the behest of
Speaker 4: a woman who's an organizer, who told them, boy, you
Speaker 4: aren't nobody when.
Speaker 3: You got to this city.
Speaker 4: We made you, and now we need you to run
Speaker 4: for mayor. He was an unwilling runner and ran and
Speaker 4: won and had the foresight to see this small, sleepy
Speaker 4: southern town convention city as an international city and helped
Speaker 4: do that. Grew that airport into an international airport, and
Speaker 4: the visit the world's busy airport, got the Olympics here,
Speaker 4: and it's provided a place where if young, progressive blacks
Speaker 4: and whites that non progressive conservaive whatever you consider yourself,
Speaker 4: will only take the time the city at tables. Together,
Speaker 4: we can have a far more progressive for everybody. I
Speaker 4: don't mean progressive as in the agenda. I mean progressive
Speaker 4: city in which people who may not agree on everything
Speaker 4: agree what's best for this city.
Speaker 1: They can move forward and can move forward stillan I
Speaker 1: don't know if this ad throw is going to come
Speaker 1: right after I admitted I'm broke. But here's the maths,
Speaker 1: and we have returned. Let's dive in. I want to
Speaker 1: go back to a point you raised that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people miss, especially now when we're in
Speaker 1: this age of ubiquitous, non ending information and you feel
Speaker 1: like you're forced to react to something. Going back to
Speaker 1: the conversations about Middle East, Yeah, I told her, what
Speaker 1: have you. I think one thing a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the public forget is that these folks will come
Speaker 1: out and they'll pretend to be on different sides of Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might disagree, they'll talk all kinds of ship to
Speaker 1: each other, and then after the speech is over, after
Speaker 1: the followers plasque and wu wu, then they get in
Speaker 1: the they get in that back room or their people
Speaker 1: call each other yeah, and they're like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: things are things are pretty hectic, but you could work
Speaker 1: with me. Do you believe that's the actual hidden mechanism
Speaker 1: of how this stuff hurts.
Speaker 4: I'm so theater. You're watching something theater. I was at
Speaker 4: a W M. E. Cont Is where I spoke and
Speaker 4: there was a high ranking perfect from Bush's cabinet and
Speaker 4: Obama's cabinet together at the end of their sitting session talking.
Speaker 4: Because first they were talking. I'm just like, I'm sitting
Speaker 4: out all I'm like, this ship's crazy. They talking like
Speaker 4: their homeboys, you know what I mean, because they are
Speaker 4: They just on different sides of an issue or something,
Speaker 4: but they are members of the same class. Somebody's you know,
Speaker 4: friend is fucking somebody else's friends and they're all friends.
Speaker 4: But somebody's playing broke. They can just ride with mine.
Speaker 4: I was just like, you mothers, you motherfuckers aren't even
Speaker 4: flying commercials. Then one of your playing breaks hereside, you
Speaker 4: fucking ride with me, and it's just like you motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: You got us at the bottom biting each other. People people,
Speaker 4: you know, people in southern cities, you know, splitting cities apart,
Speaker 4: resegregating in a way that that's around politics, meaning you know,
Speaker 4: everybody can be white, but the white woke crowd is
Speaker 4: here near I'm in the white conservative It's just like
Speaker 4: get the they're riding the same planes. It's a George
Speaker 4: Carland that like moment, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: I vote as an ancestral tribute. That's how I convinced
Speaker 4: myself to go vote, because at my core, I am
Speaker 4: a much more Carla Knight person than that. Like, you know,
Speaker 4: Carlin has his spiels, says, I don't fucking vote. I
Speaker 4: don't vote. That's why I have the right to criticize.
Speaker 4: And you, Hick, one of those motherfuckers. That's why you
Speaker 4: gotta shut the fuck up. You know what he says
Speaker 4: is a big club.
Speaker 3: And I stayed at home and at least I got
Speaker 3: a little son.
Speaker 4: My mother had me watching Carland because my mother, only
Speaker 4: sixteen years older than my mother had me watching Carland
Speaker 4: at six. Oh, I'm listening to Carlin and watching videotapes
Speaker 4: and shit like this is so it's like I don't
Speaker 4: have the capacity not to vote because my grandparents raised me.
Speaker 4: My grandmother marched with doctor King My grandfather was a
Speaker 4: supporter of local life. He wasn't fan of big government,
Speaker 4: but local government. He gave a fuck that Jose Williams
Speaker 4: is on city camp. He didn't want Holsey to be
Speaker 4: state wider nation Wilde I had. He was like Jose,
Speaker 4: the complainer, the fucking fighter. He needs to be right here,
Speaker 4: fighting first on c count. So I vote as an
Speaker 4: ancestral tribute, like my grandparents wanted me to vote. It
Speaker 4: was a big thing in our household. I know why
Speaker 4: I'm voting. I know my vote can account locally. But man, oh,
Speaker 4: all these motherfuckers are in the same club, man, they
Speaker 4: ain't ship.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, Michael, also after this my plane broke.
Speaker 4: We both. Michael is a car guy like Arresto mad
Speaker 4: and you, like y'all gotta come down to the garage.
Speaker 3: You you don't understand how he made a show called
Speaker 3: car Stuff for years and years and years and knows
Speaker 3: a lot about cars and loves cars. And I would
Speaker 3: just be such a fan boy just looking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, Okay, okay, I'm gonna give everybody's assignment. Man,
Speaker 4: make in with someone who doesn't look like you, not
Speaker 4: the same religious background and ethnicity. Yes, because that's honestly
Speaker 4: the only way we grandly toppled this wall.
Speaker 3: Eventually.
Speaker 4: The only way you break stereotypes is to know someone
Speaker 4: being stereotype. So you can literally say, oh, so that's true,
Speaker 4: but now I understand why, Oh it's total bullshit.
Speaker 1: I agree, that's it.
Speaker 4: Let's we all grown. We're better from that.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about back to the SELC, thinking back to
Speaker 3: how large of a rural church is played in actually
Speaker 3: getting a message to be one message and one idea
Speaker 3: and then bring everybody together. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've been to I've been to one suburban church in
Speaker 3: the past, like ten years. Yeah, yeah, And I went
Speaker 3: right before the election, and it was very interesting to
Speaker 3: see how that message of unity that was present in
Speaker 3: those times especially gone.
Speaker 4: It was gone, man, and that's out of here, and
Speaker 4: it was placed with nationalism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 4: And it's weird. It's weird place where you assume the
Speaker 4: talking and saying Jesus is white. It's quirky right now.
Speaker 4: It's wilder even that now I see it in black churches,
Speaker 4: like there is a black church. There's culturally a black
Speaker 4: church in this country because there had to be. There's
Speaker 4: a black church in this country because the black church
Speaker 4: has picked up the political legend in times when it's needed.
Speaker 4: Not that white churches didn't. The anti slapery movement, we
Speaker 4: needed the Quakers, God bless their fucking weird wear souls.
Speaker 4: You know we needed those motherfuckers. You know you needed that.
Speaker 4: But there's a weird white nationalistic church movement growing out
Speaker 4: of the evangelical movement that feels like I ran nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy seven before the Islamic takeover in seventy nine. And
Speaker 4: because you don't do your history, you don't understand or
Speaker 4: see it coming. But it's coming, you know, the Handmaiden's
Speaker 4: Sale is coming. You motherfuckers don't understand that there's an
Speaker 4: element of white men that feel powerless and if religion
Speaker 4: gained them the power that they seek to be over
Speaker 4: there women, over their women's bodies, over law, over how
Speaker 4: this country is ran, they're going to praise White Jesus
Speaker 4: and take it. And that's going to mean everyone else
Speaker 4: is going to be beholding to laws and rules that
Speaker 4: they don't agree with, that interpret it from a book
Speaker 4: that's been rewritten so many times, it's like a rap remix.
Speaker 4: And that's not to you know, chill on Christianity as
Speaker 4: much as saying I think that there's a true and
Speaker 4: higher moral ground in the Black Church in that you're
Speaker 4: practicing a religion that was imposed on you. You're practicing the
Speaker 4: religion that you had to gain understanding when purposely being
Speaker 4: misunderstood because they had a slave version of Bibles. Thinks
Speaker 4: that nature And you've remain faithful, You've you've you've given
Speaker 4: grace where others would not. And there's a leadership role
Speaker 4: for you. And I think that you know when you
Speaker 4: say you going to have you won the church in Suburbs,
Speaker 4: the Black Church. I have been a dal Bron's churchmen
Speaker 4: Jamal Broyant church. But it's time for churches to start
Speaker 4: visiting one another again. It's time to start congregating with
Speaker 4: other congregations and having hard conversations because that's the only
Speaker 4: thing that's going to push us forward. You know, we
Speaker 4: are all actic and religion in terms of Christianity, that
Speaker 4: those are who claim to be Christians in which the
Speaker 4: last person the Messiah saved on earth was a self
Speaker 4: confessed thief. A fucking prisoner is like a guilty shit.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna go somewhere, Bubba, can I go with you?
Speaker 4: He was the one that got to ascend with to
Speaker 4: your with your messia to heaven. And these are the
Speaker 4: most unlooked after people in your society today. So we
Speaker 4: start talking about thirteen amendments in prisons and even at
Speaker 4: name is Jesus life. That's who's concerned about We don't
Speaker 4: seem to be concerned about him. Yes, And if we're
Speaker 4: not doing that work, then we're not doing the work.
Speaker 3: Dylan, Dylan, I believe it's time for an ad break.
Speaker 3: Piping hot ads coming up. Woo back from the ads,
Speaker 3: let's jump back in with Killer Mike.
Speaker 1: We do have some stuff that a lot of our
Speaker 1: listeners are gonna need to hear directly from you.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right?
Speaker 1: So with community or organizing with this think global act
Speaker 1: local approach right here in Atlanta especially, but I think
Speaker 1: this applies to other parts of the world. What would
Speaker 1: you tell young up and coming activists who are wondering
Speaker 1: how to get started, or maybe older people who haven't
Speaker 1: really gotten involved, what would be their first step?
Speaker 4: Start local, like on your street with your neighbors. The
Speaker 4: focus on was hyper local first, because your local solutions
Speaker 4: are going to affect people on the statewide, getting national,
Speaker 4: and then global level. You may not be able to
Speaker 4: solve the global warming crisis in your lifetime, but I've
Speaker 4: seen HIV cured in my lifetime, and I've seen HIV
Speaker 4: cured because on a very local level, people refuse to
Speaker 4: after watching their friends, after watching people they loved, after
Speaker 4: watching their homosexual non homosexual fans, after watching stars like
Speaker 4: Freddie Mercury and more die, they grew so adamant about
Speaker 4: out on a local level being treated well those people
Speaker 4: that eventually science did what it does is solved the problem.
Speaker 4: But on a local level, I watched local activists in
Speaker 4: this city work hard to make sure that those suffering
Speaker 4: from HIV did not suffer in silence and the loan.
Speaker 4: They were very outspoken, very loud, very and I think
Speaker 4: that on a very local level you need to start
Speaker 4: organizing locally. If you need to say, who are the
Speaker 4: ten other people that see the world similar as me,
Speaker 4: and what could we do on a local level to
Speaker 4: bring recognition and to plot plans, strategize, organize and mobilized
Speaker 4: around and sings together. And I'll show you how local works.
Speaker 4: Chief Judge rostr Jackson has been my friend since we
Speaker 4: were eleven years old. She starts the Pinnacle program in
Speaker 4: the Cap County. She sits on the court. I mean,
Speaker 4: she sits on the bench. You can send your ass
Speaker 4: to jail for as long as she fucking feels like
Speaker 4: it is. A law allows and instead of doing that
Speaker 4: on many people with serious crime, she says, I'm going
Speaker 4: to give you one year. You want to have one year,
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to participate in these particular programs. At
Speaker 4: the end of day year, we're going to reevaluate you
Speaker 4: see how much you've grown, and if you go to
Speaker 4: fucking jail or you graduate pinnical program. She's graduated. So
Speaker 4: many people out the program now have then went to
Speaker 4: places like college from the places like Lata, metropolitman, picked
Speaker 4: up trades, picked up actually associates and bachelor's. Our governor,
Speaker 4: who's a Republican governor, sees that working, says I like that,
Speaker 4: goes and pulls miss Ali from Fulton County Juvenile Court
Speaker 4: and says, give me something for the Georgia defense lawyer
Speaker 4: to create something similar to that for a state wide level.
Speaker 4: A Republican governor sees a Democrat judge create a program
Speaker 4: that's beneficial for the cab County. Then mirrors that with
Speaker 4: someone from Fulton County. Black women. Both these are black
Speaker 4: women for a state, for a state, for his state.
Speaker 4: You give you what I'm saying. That works because on
Speaker 4: a very local level, one judge decided to say fucking
Speaker 4: balls out them and give the shit a try. That
Speaker 4: works because a woman from juvenile court, Miss Ali, says,
Speaker 4: fuck it, I'm gonna work with Republican govern I don't
Speaker 4: give how anybody may feel about it, because this program matters.
Speaker 4: And next thing, you know, rappers on the board with
Speaker 4: a former juvenile judge and Brad Boyd who's up at
Speaker 4: Ohio now, who've mentored me and been my friends since
Speaker 4: I was fifteen, helping to steer justice in a state. Well,
Speaker 4: no one's going to applaud Climp for the Kemp for that,
Speaker 4: or put that on the news or anything, but he
Speaker 4: did it, and it was a right and moral thing
Speaker 4: to do. If I don't have the moral courage to
Speaker 4: have a relationship with my governor in spite of us
Speaker 4: having different political opinions, does that does that happen? You
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Not that responsible for at all,
Speaker 4: but me participating in the program knowing miss I leave
Speaker 4: the junior court. Does that happen? If the chief Joe
Speaker 4: Johnson Jackson who made it out, if she doesn't refuse
Speaker 4: to leave ever relieve her community and create something better,
Speaker 4: does it ever happen? So you know, I think you
Speaker 4: start local, you start local, you focus on hyperlocal, and
Speaker 4: you realize the goals to plot, plan, strategize, organized, and
Speaker 4: mobilize because that way you create something that's repped, that
Speaker 4: that is repeatable by others, and scales and scales up,
Speaker 4: baby scales and money talks.
Speaker 3: I'm getting a weird flashback, so Ben, I I kind
Speaker 3: of mentioned I didn't know who Kjoe was. I didn't
Speaker 3: know a good good job. I knew like drumming and
Speaker 3: Dave Matthew's band and a lot of Christian rock music.
Speaker 1: But that's all.
Speaker 3: There's a time when that's all I knew. And then
Speaker 3: this guy Ben turned me on to two people like
Speaker 3: dead Press and More Technique and Brother Eli and you.
Speaker 3: And that's a lot of you know people artists that
Speaker 3: I would put in the category that are more cerebral,
Speaker 3: that have a message that almost verges on education.
Speaker 4: Or it's entertainment. That's what I want to call it
Speaker 4: way back in the days, it's educate entertained, but it educates.
Speaker 4: You looked the same. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I when you said plot playing strategized, I heard a
Speaker 3: dead Press lyric. But I don't know if that's just
Speaker 3: like something I was with them two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I jump up on stage with them here City Winery
Speaker 4: because Stick is based here, Stick lives here. Just moved.
Speaker 4: I think, like Beard, I think I think, No, it's
Speaker 4: another African. We just moved to another.
Speaker 3: We don't want to weird you out or anything. Stick
Speaker 3: is the only other human being, like uh MC that
Speaker 3: we've given this to. Do you want to do it now,
Speaker 3: just really quickly to give it to him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put my Sorry.
Speaker 3: We don't want to put you on spot. We want
Speaker 3: to give you okay, just a tiny bit.
Speaker 1: So we uh we checked it now as we're getting
Speaker 1: towards the end, we checked in and asked about some
Speaker 1: stuff you might like. So let's do it on. This
Speaker 1: is our book.
Speaker 4: This is a don't cover well's our state capital.
Speaker 3: Or the reason why we're giving it to you is
Speaker 3: because somebody we think you might know made that those images.
Speaker 3: A guy named Nick Turbo Benson.
Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude, he's one of our favorite humans. And man,
Speaker 3: we just wanted you to have a copy of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to read it.
Speaker 1: Just lie to us and tell us it was great.
Speaker 1: When also our.
Speaker 4: Man get out of here. I'm gonna call my dad
Speaker 4: right just like you. Ain't gonna believe the white boy
Speaker 4: gave me.
Speaker 1: So we didn't know if Ramsey was pranking us or.
Speaker 4: If we had I love this kind of ship, my
Speaker 4: old man. Man, I got too dad. People who know
Speaker 4: me experience. I have two fathers, have a by on
Speaker 4: the non by your father and my by your father
Speaker 4: picked Mike. I love my non by your father, Anthony.
Speaker 4: I love to death for me and Anthony. A toy collectors. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we collect toys. We do models, hot wheels and stuff.
Speaker 4: My dad, Big Mike, kids into the cars and guns
Speaker 4: and stuff. So I mean I got that apart from him,
Speaker 4: well both My dad's like a car. But man, this
Speaker 4: is so fucking dope. Man, my old man's long go crazy.
Speaker 4: I got something to get Stone to just do. It's
Speaker 4: gonna take be honest with.
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, because I have to. I have to go
Speaker 1: abrode A couple of times a year, so.
Speaker 4: We pissed it so fucking dope. Man, it's for a while,
Speaker 4: just the stun on mother.
Speaker 1: We got uh map, I think we got one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the thing.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 3: This is just a something I really like, cold secret history.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever get into graphic novels, but.
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't reading the Joker one now.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, yes, this is one that I think you
Speaker 3: will find fascinating. Blue he wrote it or when we
Speaker 3: read it me and just thought you might like her.
Speaker 1: Give to some man, thank you.
Speaker 4: I keep books. I keep book Yeah, all the rumors
Speaker 4: are true, man, I keep books. I like toys, fast cards.
Speaker 4: You know, marijuana, no coke, no strippers with flat acid.
Speaker 4: So you just flying weed with me? What's that strip club?
Speaker 4: All the white guys joke each other, take each other
Speaker 4: the Claimont lounge like so God bless the claim Mark.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna catch me in there?
Speaker 3: Well, can I tell you that's the only one in
Speaker 3: Atlanta I've ever been.
Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna go to the booth. We're gonna fix that.
Speaker 4: We're gonna just airport Amy, they're taking away. I took
Speaker 4: bill Mark, Dave Chappelle. Start somewhere respectable.
Speaker 3: There are a.
Speaker 1: Couple of us. Oh you know, Cheetah just got turned
Speaker 1: into Georgia Tech housing.
Speaker 4: Yeah I heard it. Used to be girls worked at
Speaker 4: Georgia Tech. I mean worked at Cheetahs and went to Tech. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, but man, I know they got
Speaker 4: paid a grip. But China, you know, Cheeah was cool
Speaker 4: and then they got urban the last few years. I
Speaker 4: was never a big fan. Yeah, I like ass too,
Speaker 4: and the tents were great, the hair shaking and mouth
Speaker 4: and through death laffer. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 4: it's like I want to hear some fucking couchie. Man,
Speaker 4: it's on some chicken wings some assic.
Speaker 3: Is Magic City as good as everybody says it is?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, it is absolutely better wings at Blue Flame,
Speaker 4: and Blue Flame is usually the It's usually the starting
Speaker 4: points for girls who end up at Magic So I'll
Speaker 4: encourage you to go to Blue Flame because the dance
Speaker 4: is only five where Magics are ten. So I like
Speaker 4: Magic City and Blue Flames amazing. If you're on my budget,
Speaker 4: gonna be the Blue Flag. I called Tip, he's at
Speaker 4: Magic City seeing the restaurant. See your Seafood Tomorrow shouts
Speaker 4: out to Magic congratulations on the docu series that Jermain
Speaker 4: Free and Jamie Girts, who is calling her of the
Speaker 4: Hawks with her husband Tony Wrestler. Jamie did an amazing
Speaker 4: docu series on Magic City that really humanized the girls.
Speaker 4: Showed Magic and his ex wife as just two human
Speaker 4: beings making the American dream come true, you know, and
Speaker 4: being feeling throp in the community. Their kids were involved
Speaker 4: in putting it together. And I just think Jamie is
Speaker 4: an amazing human being for seeing a deeper story and
Speaker 4: not just telling her players something. Go there, you know,
Speaker 4: she's great.
Speaker 1: There we go and this is this is where, with
Speaker 1: great regret, we do actually have to end the show
Speaker 1: before Yeah, our producers fire.
Speaker 4: I'll come, I'll come gifts.
Speaker 3: So we just think the world man, We appreciate you
Speaker 3: being here and spending time.
Speaker 4: It means the world to me. I appreciate you got
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: No worries. What's uh? What's the last question? What's the
Speaker 1: perfect day for you in Atlanta?
Speaker 4: So perfect day for me in Atlanta. I woke up today.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get in my old school at some
Speaker 4: point as it's fall weather. Even though I have air condition. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm going to get to wear my more House sweater
Speaker 4: and sneakers, going to get to hang out. I had
Speaker 4: barbecue at Dos Barbecue, and I'll probably end up eating
Speaker 4: barbecue again at pitt Boss later because just protein and
Speaker 4: green dye thing. Twenty five pounds away from three hundred.
Speaker 4: I got to hang out with man and being with
Speaker 4: two of the coolest fucking white guys ever. I got kissed.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna smoke high potent powered marijuana. Ramsey has gonna
Speaker 4: kill your masterve shirts Baron locals out there. And my
Speaker 4: wife is built like she dances in the blue, flying
Speaker 4: with a brain like she went to Georgia Tech. So
Speaker 4: it's good. Maybe I'll started by the blue fighting helped
Speaker 4: some gros through college later. Thank you all right, love
Speaker 4: and respect. Thank y'all so much.
Speaker 1: So, concludes an interview that we were not expecting. Right.
Speaker 1: It still feels, I would say, Matt, very surreal for
Speaker 1: both of us, and obviously also few Dylan.
Speaker 3: Right, the three of us were in a very surreal
Speaker 3: situation when we found out that this was actually happening. Today.
Speaker 3: We don't have to go into that, but you already
Speaker 3: know we were on a boat.
Speaker 1: We're on a boat, Sidon, you'll get us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were like twenty minutes in the interview, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 4: That's really Killer Mike.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was just sitting right here and we're having
Speaker 3: We're like, we're making eye contact with Killer Mike and
Speaker 3: he's talking to us, and just you're just listening and
Speaker 3: attempting to respond. I'm sorry, I don't I get star
Speaker 3: struck sometimes. A couple of times it's happened to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and this is definitely one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me of that time I met an
Speaker 1: astronaut with the secret I was way less awkward. I
Speaker 1: hope with mister Render. We can't thank Killer Mike enough
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