1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Folks, fellow conspiracy realists. Before we get started today, we 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: thought it important to let you know this is an 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: explicit series, a little bit. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 2: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio. 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: Our colleague Nol is on an adventure, but will. 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Be returning sue they called me Ben. We're joined as 11 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan, 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: as well as our guest producer Ramsey Wang's yunt. We 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: don't have time to explain the inside joke because we 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: are in media rest. This is part two of our 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: long reaching interview with none other than the legendary activist 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: MC community organizer, actor, award winning performer, entrepreneur, entrepreneur, Coloma 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: alcoholic be Look, folks, we're having a hell of a 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: time here with Killer Mike. So what do you say, Matt? 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Maybe we just drop in in media arrests here we go. 20 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: I wonder how much of some of this, the continual 21 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: division and inability to see each other's point of view 22 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: and have that concept that you were talking about where 23 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: a lot of people want to see the opposition silenced 24 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: rather than I wonder if that has to do with 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: these and yeah bubbles that we get into. Yeah, and 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: then we're lacking that kind of thing that maybe would 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: have happened at a church, or would have happened at 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: a some kind of a community. 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: Theater, or just hanging out at a party. 30 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: Yes, even just a party, or just doing something that 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: we don't do anymore because we're in these weird little cells, 32 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: especially in the suburbs, where you're just kind of locked 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: in this fortress and that's it. 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, we are the follows, the guy that's fucked over man, 35 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 4: get outside man like it's it's it really is a cause. 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: You you get to choose to be or have the 37 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: algorithm of people who only agree with you to you 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: start to think the world. You know, It's like it's 39 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: like being a Cowboys fan. You don't have to be 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: from Dallas, you don't have to be from Texas. You 41 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: don't have to you don't have to know them from 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: their height. They're just everywhere. So it's easy. The captain 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: slipp into the Cowboys mean that you know mythology of them. 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: And the next thing you know, you're a fucking Cowboys fan. 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 4: This is a great team. You don't have to know 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: much about football. Yes, I'm a fucking Cowboys fan. This 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 4: is who we are. This is and it's weird because 48 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 4: it's like you you don't you don't like any other 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 4: team for any other reason, like you don't like other players. 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: You just get so locked into it. And then you 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: got Jerry at the top, who's the fucking archbishop of Cowboys, 52 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: And we start to treat whatever our thing is like 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: it's our favorite team. We started to become I'm a 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 4: Cowboys fan, I'm a you know, I'm a Now Commanders, 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: but I'm a Redskins fan. I'm a Cleveland around the fan. 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: And you forget that the NFL profits off of all 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 4: of it, and the players, the players that have the 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: weakest union of all and at the time, the players 59 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 4: union in the NFL could have strengthen themselves. Because this guy's 60 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: light skined guy the AFRO was kneeling. I remember this 61 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: one white guy, I think it was in Pittsburgh, decided 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: not to kneal of it and skip Bayless that was 63 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 4: one of the most intelligent things that not I don't 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: think Skip said and telling them stuff. It was one 65 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: of the most intelligent philosophical things, Skip said. Skip said, 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 4: this guy just gave up a chance to finally break 67 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 4: the bargaining hole that the NFL has on his players. 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 4: If he was still in the solidarity even at that moment. 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 4: If you said, I don't necessarily agree with Cap on this, 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 4: but if all of us players show solidarity in this moment, 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: we will finally have the bargaining power to get us 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: all guaranteed contracts, to get us better healthcare, to get that, 73 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: you would have broken the stronghold in the NFL as 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: on the players that they can argue the NBA and 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: the MLB doesn't. But because you consider yourself a patriot, 76 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: you didn't do the most patriotic thing stand with your 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 4: fellow American even in disagreement. 78 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: Unified front. 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: That's it. Just show you the outfront, like the red 80 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: coaster coming a bunch of motherfuckers, You know what I mean? Yeah? 81 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: Well, so is the is the lyric or the the 82 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: line punch a baby bear in his ship? 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 4: Is that? 84 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: Do you remember that? What does that mean? 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if that was against the 86 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: Soviet or saying I'm a bad ass motherfucker a lot 87 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 4: of times with one of the jewels. That's it, though, 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: there's a thin line between we're saying something really stoic 89 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: and we meaning we're staying on it. Man, I'm just 90 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 4: trying to be a bad ass motherfucker phone. 91 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: So there's another thing that we just have to ask about. Yeah, 92 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: you told the story before, but we were all really surprised. 93 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: We're looking stuff up and we said, holy shit, Michael 94 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: was in Wiki leaks. 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah, Hillary Clinton sy she guess I didn't 96 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 4: get the message. Her campaign manager was like, she's it 97 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: sounded like she's done, Like you stoopid motherfucker. Whatever piece 98 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: of advice you gave me, the fucking works. Fat Bass 99 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 4: are still talking and I'm definitely afraid of the clans. 100 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 4: Let me just say that on top, I know g 101 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 4: anxious when I see him, and that's not for insult. 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 4: That's just to let you motherfuckers know got the message, 103 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 4: jump and check. You ain't got to worry about me. 104 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 4: I don't need to die seriously, like if I died 105 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: like with like pounds of marijuana and a bunch of 106 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 4: strippers in the room. 107 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 108 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, if I died with coke, some other guys ship 109 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: on the walls like they got governentorial Canadi, Florida. Nah, 110 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 4: that wasn't mean they set me up, baby, No, ma'am, 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 4: that was not don't be full. Yeah, but the girls 112 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: from the fight were just like we were having a 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 4: roaring good time to hit the ball and it was over, Like, yeah, 114 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: the bench has killed me, but at least I died 115 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 4: happy on him. Yeah, I don't want, I don't want. 116 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: I don't want to die like a typical politician pass 117 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 4: he gets killed. 118 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: So is it true, though, that you that you flipped 119 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: it on him when you got mentioned in wiki leaks? 120 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 4: So absolutely, I made I checked my lawyers, made sure 121 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 4: it was legal. Press that motherfucker was a T shirt 122 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: and made a bunch of money by the old school 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 4: thank you shouts out to the claims that's no bullshit. 124 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 3: Wow, so we we. 125 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: I was just pro Barney, though. I really think we 126 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 4: missed an opportunity to have what could have been one 127 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 4: of the greatest American presidents of his FDR. And I 128 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 4: think that, you know, I think that he has a 129 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: moral integrity. Very few politicians still having That doesn't mean 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 4: I don't think everyone is morally flawed. We all have 131 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 4: some flaws, but it matters of being viable. He never 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 4: seemed viable to me. And even when the old man 133 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: could have done things to to sell he didn't. I 134 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 4: and I greatly respect OG for that. 135 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: Well, let's let's talk about the we mentioned the rooms 136 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 3: where people get together and make the deals, right for 137 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: the land deals or whatever it's going to be. I 138 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: think about places like the people Driving Club here and for. 139 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: A long time deals that happened in there. 140 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I imagine some of those things happening 141 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 3: just in the political level when you talk about the 142 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: two primary arms of the government of the United States, right, 143 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: and how they can work together as one system sometimes 144 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: to prevent something like let's say a Bernie Sanders. Yeah, 145 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: that's my opinion that it was prevented, but. 146 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: I know everybody knows that. Yeah, DC got down to 147 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: get up out of there. 148 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: That's for you if you want to. It's sparkle. 149 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna get cute with that with a lemon. 150 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 4: Later my friends are drinking a beer and ship. 151 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's look cool. 152 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: Plastic water bottles bit you out like I will say, 153 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: liquid death. I got no payment from them. You guys 154 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: should hire me at this point, but liquid death. Nothing 155 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: looks cooler when you gotta be a fucking pussy and 156 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: drink water because your doctor said, hey, you know, water 157 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: will probably help fat boy. So holding the liquid death 158 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: care it makes me feel as cool as my homies 159 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: are holding the butt wiser can. Oh yeah, everyone stopped 160 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: holding butt light hands. I wonder why. 161 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: I think it's because bud lights of trash bear. 162 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: I think it's a transmitter to everyone. Every dude's on 163 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: the bud drinking but protested. Give a fucking the dudes 164 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: in a skirt. If that's your fucking beer, drink your beer, Bubba. 165 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this. We're taking a different direction brought 166 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: by Liquid Death as well as shadowy back rooms throughout 167 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: the government. At the Piedmont Driving Club, Matt, where are 168 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: we going with it? 169 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: Oh? 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I don't know where we're going 171 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: with it. 172 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: Somebody just like to say, the people out there, your 173 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 4: decisions are being made for you by small groups of 174 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 4: people who sitting room together, despite their differences and cut deals. 175 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: You can do the same thing on a very local level. 176 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 4: I don't mean the same things in a very selfish 177 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: capitalistic way. It's just I remember my grandmother going to 178 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: to to a city council. The sanitation workers are skipping us. 179 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 4: Sometimes these boys might be having a little too much 180 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: fun on lunch breaks on, but they're not making it 181 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 4: down our out the street. She didn't get any reprieve. 182 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, where me and her sitting theyer's 183 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 4: office and I'm just like, okay, we're gonna I'm gonna 184 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: sit here to Andy gets here and I'm like, oh shit. 185 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 4: The first while she said his night like she knows them. 186 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 4: But you eventually talked to someone from around the mirror. 187 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: We'll get take care of doesn't get take care of 188 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: second weeks and I takeing care of third week. We're 189 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: on Action News. Fucking was it Channel two. If you 190 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: don't believe it, don't leave. She is raising hell. My 191 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: sister lives in my grandmother's house. 192 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: Now. 193 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 4: Our sanitation has never been late since because she understood 194 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 4: the power of protest and embarrassment and shaming. Because she 195 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 4: worked with a very small roop of women from their church, 196 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 4: and their job was to get people out to vote 197 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: every two and four years so they were needed. And 198 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: whether it was Reverend James Orange who was organized with 199 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 4: SEOC and the team's just here, whether it was people 200 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 4: like him that were connected to people like my grandmother 201 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: or more. We need community connectors, so we need less 202 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 4: of you arguing online in your fucking living room on 203 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: your phone, and more of you standing in your front 204 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 4: yard while you do yard work talking to your neighbors. 205 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 4: And it should start like what do you think about? 206 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 4: It shouldn't start well, I think right, you right, know 207 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: what I think? He's like, oh the fuck, we already 208 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: know what you think. Miss Gladys. You think your mall 209 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 4: broke in your car? We saw, but what why don't 210 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: you ask us? What do we think? Maybe you can 211 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 4: gain some new perspective, and Miss Gladdy's had some perspective 212 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 4: to provide to you know, you know, Miss Gladdens is the 213 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: reason that that knows, the old lady that stick or 214 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: fucking nose out the front door is the reason no 215 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 4: one stole anything from your porch. So you have to 216 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 4: appreciate those parts of her too, you know. So I 217 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 4: just think that Atlanta, and I don't think past the 218 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: tip of my nose. In terms of Atlanta that's arounding 219 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 4: areas on up through Comings and Georgia period. I need 220 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: you to know that, man, all we got is each other. 221 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 4: We sent the man to the presidency who from a 222 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 4: peanut farm, who fucking went to a church with black folks, 223 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 4: so had the empathy and the foresight to hire. And 224 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: the young who, although he was very friend and very 225 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 4: angry after his friend was assassinated and wanted to was 226 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 4: willing to do away with Western civilization, you know, to 227 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: set it right, grew into one of the greatest US 228 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: ambassadors we've ever heard. Once relieved of that position, got 229 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 4: a chance to mayor the city at the behest of 230 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: a woman who's an organizer, who told them, boy, you 231 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: aren't nobody when. 232 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: You got to this city. 233 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: We made you, and now we need you to run 234 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: for mayor. He was an unwilling runner and ran and 235 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: won and had the foresight to see this small, sleepy 236 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: southern town convention city as an international city and helped 237 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: do that. Grew that airport into an international airport, and 238 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: the visit the world's busy airport, got the Olympics here, 239 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: and it's provided a place where if young, progressive blacks 240 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 4: and whites that non progressive conservaive whatever you consider yourself, 241 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: will only take the time the city at tables. Together, 242 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 4: we can have a far more progressive for everybody. I 243 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 4: don't mean progressive as in the agenda. I mean progressive 244 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: city in which people who may not agree on everything 245 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: agree what's best for this city. 246 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: They can move forward and can move forward stillan I 247 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: don't know if this ad throw is going to come 248 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: right after I admitted I'm broke. But here's the maths, 249 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: and we have returned. Let's dive in. I want to 250 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: go back to a point you raised that I think 251 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people miss, especially now when we're in 252 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: this age of ubiquitous, non ending information and you feel 253 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: like you're forced to react to something. Going back to 254 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: the conversations about Middle East, Yeah, I told her, what 255 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: have you. I think one thing a lot of people 256 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: in the public forget is that these folks will come 257 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: out and they'll pretend to be on different sides of Yeah, 258 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: they might disagree, they'll talk all kinds of ship to 259 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: each other, and then after the speech is over, after 260 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: the followers plasque and wu wu, then they get in 261 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: the they get in that back room or their people 262 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: call each other yeah, and they're like, all right, man, 263 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: things are things are pretty hectic, but you could work 264 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,479 Speaker 1: with me. Do you believe that's the actual hidden mechanism 265 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: of how this stuff hurts. 266 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 4: I'm so theater. You're watching something theater. I was at 267 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: a W M. E. Cont Is where I spoke and 268 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: there was a high ranking perfect from Bush's cabinet and 269 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: Obama's cabinet together at the end of their sitting session talking. 270 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: Because first they were talking. I'm just like, I'm sitting 271 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 4: out all I'm like, this ship's crazy. They talking like 272 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 4: their homeboys, you know what I mean, because they are 273 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 4: They just on different sides of an issue or something, 274 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 4: but they are members of the same class. Somebody's you know, 275 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 4: friend is fucking somebody else's friends and they're all friends. 276 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 4: But somebody's playing broke. They can just ride with mine. 277 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 4: I was just like, you mothers, you motherfuckers aren't even 278 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 4: flying commercials. Then one of your playing breaks hereside, you 279 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 4: fucking ride with me, and it's just like you motherfuckers. 280 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: You got us at the bottom biting each other. People people, 281 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 4: you know, people in southern cities, you know, splitting cities apart, 282 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 4: resegregating in a way that that's around politics, meaning you know, 283 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: everybody can be white, but the white woke crowd is 284 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 4: here near I'm in the white conservative It's just like 285 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: get the they're riding the same planes. It's a George 286 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 4: Carland that like moment, Like you know what I'm saying, 287 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 4: I vote as an ancestral tribute. That's how I convinced 288 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: myself to go vote, because at my core, I am 289 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 4: a much more Carla Knight person than that. Like, you know, 290 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 4: Carlin has his spiels, says, I don't fucking vote. I 291 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: don't vote. That's why I have the right to criticize. 292 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: And you, Hick, one of those motherfuckers. That's why you 293 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: gotta shut the fuck up. You know what he says 294 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 4: is a big club. 295 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: And I stayed at home and at least I got 296 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: a little son. 297 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: My mother had me watching Carland because my mother, only 298 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: sixteen years older than my mother had me watching Carland 299 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: at six. Oh, I'm listening to Carlin and watching videotapes 300 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: and shit like this is so it's like I don't 301 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: have the capacity not to vote because my grandparents raised me. 302 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: My grandmother marched with doctor King My grandfather was a 303 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: supporter of local life. He wasn't fan of big government, 304 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: but local government. He gave a fuck that Jose Williams 305 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: is on city camp. He didn't want Holsey to be 306 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: state wider nation Wilde I had. He was like Jose, 307 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 4: the complainer, the fucking fighter. He needs to be right here, 308 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 4: fighting first on c count. So I vote as an 309 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 4: ancestral tribute, like my grandparents wanted me to vote. It 310 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 4: was a big thing in our household. I know why 311 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: I'm voting. I know my vote can account locally. But man, oh, 312 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 4: all these motherfuckers are in the same club, man, they 313 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: ain't ship. 314 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh hey, Michael, also after this my plane broke. 315 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: We both. Michael is a car guy like Arresto mad 316 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 4: and you, like y'all gotta come down to the garage. 317 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: You you don't understand how he made a show called 318 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: car Stuff for years and years and years and knows 319 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: a lot about cars and loves cars. And I would 320 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: just be such a fan boy just looking. 321 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, Okay, okay, I'm gonna give everybody's assignment. Man, 322 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 4: make in with someone who doesn't look like you, not 323 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 4: the same religious background and ethnicity. Yes, because that's honestly 324 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: the only way we grandly toppled this wall. 325 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: Eventually. 326 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 4: The only way you break stereotypes is to know someone 327 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 4: being stereotype. So you can literally say, oh, so that's true, 328 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: but now I understand why, Oh it's total bullshit. 329 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: I agree, that's it. 330 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: Let's we all grown. We're better from that. 331 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about back to the SELC, thinking back to 332 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: how large of a rural church is played in actually 333 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 3: getting a message to be one message and one idea 334 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: and then bring everybody together. And I don't know if 335 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: you've been to I've been to one suburban church in 336 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: the past, like ten years. Yeah, yeah, And I went 337 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: right before the election, and it was very interesting to 338 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: see how that message of unity that was present in 339 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 3: those times especially gone. 340 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 4: It was gone, man, and that's out of here, and 341 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: it was placed with nationalism. 342 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. 343 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 4: And it's weird. It's weird place where you assume the 344 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: talking and saying Jesus is white. It's quirky right now. 345 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 4: It's wilder even that now I see it in black churches, 346 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: like there is a black church. There's culturally a black 347 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: church in this country because there had to be. There's 348 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: a black church in this country because the black church 349 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: has picked up the political legend in times when it's needed. 350 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 4: Not that white churches didn't. The anti slapery movement, we 351 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: needed the Quakers, God bless their fucking weird wear souls. 352 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 4: You know we needed those motherfuckers. You know you needed that. 353 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 4: But there's a weird white nationalistic church movement growing out 354 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 4: of the evangelical movement that feels like I ran nineteen 355 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: seventy seven before the Islamic takeover in seventy nine. And 356 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 4: because you don't do your history, you don't understand or 357 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: see it coming. But it's coming, you know, the Handmaiden's 358 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 4: Sale is coming. You motherfuckers don't understand that there's an 359 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: element of white men that feel powerless and if religion 360 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 4: gained them the power that they seek to be over 361 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 4: there women, over their women's bodies, over law, over how 362 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: this country is ran, they're going to praise White Jesus 363 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 4: and take it. And that's going to mean everyone else 364 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: is going to be beholding to laws and rules that 365 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: they don't agree with, that interpret it from a book 366 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 4: that's been rewritten so many times, it's like a rap remix. 367 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 4: And that's not to you know, chill on Christianity as 368 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 4: much as saying I think that there's a true and 369 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: higher moral ground in the Black Church in that you're 370 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: practicing a religion that was imposed on you. You're practicing the 371 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 4: religion that you had to gain understanding when purposely being 372 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 4: misunderstood because they had a slave version of Bibles. Thinks 373 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: that nature And you've remain faithful, You've you've you've given 374 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: grace where others would not. And there's a leadership role 375 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: for you. And I think that you know when you 376 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 4: say you going to have you won the church in Suburbs, 377 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 4: the Black Church. I have been a dal Bron's churchmen 378 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 4: Jamal Broyant church. But it's time for churches to start 379 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 4: visiting one another again. It's time to start congregating with 380 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: other congregations and having hard conversations because that's the only 381 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 4: thing that's going to push us forward. You know, we 382 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 4: are all actic and religion in terms of Christianity, that 383 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: those are who claim to be Christians in which the 384 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 4: last person the Messiah saved on earth was a self 385 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: confessed thief. A fucking prisoner is like a guilty shit. 386 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 4: If you're gonna go somewhere, Bubba, can I go with you? 387 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 4: He was the one that got to ascend with to 388 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 4: your with your messia to heaven. And these are the 389 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 4: most unlooked after people in your society today. So we 390 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 4: start talking about thirteen amendments in prisons and even at 391 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 4: name is Jesus life. That's who's concerned about We don't 392 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: seem to be concerned about him. Yes, And if we're 393 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 4: not doing that work, then we're not doing the work. 394 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: Dylan, Dylan, I believe it's time for an ad break. 395 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 3: Piping hot ads coming up. Woo back from the ads, 396 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: let's jump back in with Killer Mike. 397 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: We do have some stuff that a lot of our 398 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: listeners are gonna need to hear directly from you. 399 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 4: Okay, all right? 400 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: So with community or organizing with this think global act 401 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: local approach right here in Atlanta especially, but I think 402 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: this applies to other parts of the world. What would 403 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you tell young up and coming activists who are wondering 404 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: how to get started, or maybe older people who haven't 405 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: really gotten involved, what would be their first step? 406 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 4: Start local, like on your street with your neighbors. The 407 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: focus on was hyper local first, because your local solutions 408 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 4: are going to affect people on the statewide, getting national, 409 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 4: and then global level. You may not be able to 410 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: solve the global warming crisis in your lifetime, but I've 411 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 4: seen HIV cured in my lifetime, and I've seen HIV 412 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 4: cured because on a very local level, people refuse to 413 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 4: after watching their friends, after watching people they loved, after 414 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 4: watching their homosexual non homosexual fans, after watching stars like 415 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: Freddie Mercury and more die, they grew so adamant about 416 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: out on a local level being treated well those people 417 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: that eventually science did what it does is solved the problem. 418 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: But on a local level, I watched local activists in 419 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: this city work hard to make sure that those suffering 420 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 4: from HIV did not suffer in silence and the loan. 421 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: They were very outspoken, very loud, very and I think 422 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: that on a very local level you need to start 423 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 4: organizing locally. If you need to say, who are the 424 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: ten other people that see the world similar as me, 425 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: and what could we do on a local level to 426 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 4: bring recognition and to plot plans, strategize, organize and mobilized 427 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: around and sings together. And I'll show you how local works. 428 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: Chief Judge rostr Jackson has been my friend since we 429 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 4: were eleven years old. She starts the Pinnacle program in 430 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 4: the Cap County. She sits on the court. I mean, 431 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: she sits on the bench. You can send your ass 432 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: to jail for as long as she fucking feels like 433 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 4: it is. A law allows and instead of doing that 434 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 4: on many people with serious crime, she says, I'm going 435 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: to give you one year. You want to have one year, 436 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: you're gonna have to participate in these particular programs. At 437 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 4: the end of day year, we're going to reevaluate you 438 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 4: see how much you've grown, and if you go to 439 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 4: fucking jail or you graduate pinnical program. She's graduated. So 440 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: many people out the program now have then went to 441 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: places like college from the places like Lata, metropolitman, picked 442 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: up trades, picked up actually associates and bachelor's. Our governor, 443 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: who's a Republican governor, sees that working, says I like that, 444 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: goes and pulls miss Ali from Fulton County Juvenile Court 445 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: and says, give me something for the Georgia defense lawyer 446 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 4: to create something similar to that for a state wide level. 447 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: A Republican governor sees a Democrat judge create a program 448 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 4: that's beneficial for the cab County. Then mirrors that with 449 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 4: someone from Fulton County. Black women. Both these are black 450 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: women for a state, for a state, for his state. 451 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: You give you what I'm saying. That works because on 452 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 4: a very local level, one judge decided to say fucking 453 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 4: balls out them and give the shit a try. That 454 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 4: works because a woman from juvenile court, Miss Ali, says, 455 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 4: fuck it, I'm gonna work with Republican govern I don't 456 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 4: give how anybody may feel about it, because this program matters. 457 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 4: And next thing, you know, rappers on the board with 458 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 4: a former juvenile judge and Brad Boyd who's up at 459 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: Ohio now, who've mentored me and been my friends since 460 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: I was fifteen, helping to steer justice in a state. Well, 461 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: no one's going to applaud Climp for the Kemp for that, 462 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: or put that on the news or anything, but he 463 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 4: did it, and it was a right and moral thing 464 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: to do. If I don't have the moral courage to 465 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: have a relationship with my governor in spite of us 466 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: having different political opinions, does that does that happen? You 467 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 4: know what I mean? Not that responsible for at all, 468 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 4: but me participating in the program knowing miss I leave 469 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 4: the junior court. Does that happen? If the chief Joe 470 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 4: Johnson Jackson who made it out, if she doesn't refuse 471 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 4: to leave ever relieve her community and create something better, 472 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 4: does it ever happen? So you know, I think you 473 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 4: start local, you start local, you focus on hyperlocal, and 474 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: you realize the goals to plot, plan, strategize, organized, and 475 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: mobilize because that way you create something that's repped, that 476 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 4: that is repeatable by others, and scales and scales up, 477 00:23:50,920 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 4: baby scales and money talks. 478 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: I'm getting a weird flashback, so Ben, I I kind 479 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: of mentioned I didn't know who Kjoe was. I didn't 480 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: know a good good job. I knew like drumming and 481 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: Dave Matthew's band and a lot of Christian rock music. 482 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: But that's all. 483 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: There's a time when that's all I knew. And then 484 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: this guy Ben turned me on to two people like 485 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 3: dead Press and More Technique and Brother Eli and you. 486 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: And that's a lot of you know people artists that 487 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 3: I would put in the category that are more cerebral, 488 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: that have a message that almost verges on education. 489 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 4: Or it's entertainment. That's what I want to call it 490 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 4: way back in the days, it's educate entertained, but it educates. 491 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 4: You looked the same. Yeah, absolutely. 492 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 3: I when you said plot playing strategized, I heard a 493 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: dead Press lyric. But I don't know if that's just 494 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 3: like something I was with them two weeks ago. 495 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: I jump up on stage with them here City Winery 496 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 4: because Stick is based here, Stick lives here. Just moved. 497 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: I think, like Beard, I think I think, No, it's 498 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 4: another African. We just moved to another. 499 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 3: We don't want to weird you out or anything. Stick 500 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: is the only other human being, like uh MC that 501 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: we've given this to. Do you want to do it now, 502 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: just really quickly to give it to him? 503 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put my Sorry. 504 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: We don't want to put you on spot. We want 505 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: to give you okay, just a tiny bit. 506 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: So we uh we checked it now as we're getting 507 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: towards the end, we checked in and asked about some 508 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: stuff you might like. So let's do it on. This 509 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: is our book. 510 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: This is a don't cover well's our state capital. 511 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: Or the reason why we're giving it to you is 512 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: because somebody we think you might know made that those images. 513 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: A guy named Nick Turbo Benson. 514 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 4: Hell, yeah, yeah, beautiful. 515 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude, he's one of our favorite humans. And man, 516 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 3: we just wanted you to have a copy of it. 517 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to read it. 518 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: Just lie to us and tell us it was great. 519 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: When also our. 520 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: Man get out of here. I'm gonna call my dad 521 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: right just like you. Ain't gonna believe the white boy 522 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: gave me. 523 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: So we didn't know if Ramsey was pranking us or. 524 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 4: If we had I love this kind of ship, my 525 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 4: old man. Man, I got too dad. People who know 526 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: me experience. I have two fathers, have a by on 527 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 4: the non by your father and my by your father 528 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 4: picked Mike. I love my non by your father, Anthony. 529 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: I love to death for me and Anthony. A toy collectors. Yeah, 530 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: we collect toys. We do models, hot wheels and stuff. 531 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: My dad, Big Mike, kids into the cars and guns 532 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: and stuff. So I mean I got that apart from him, 533 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 4: well both My dad's like a car. But man, this 534 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 4: is so fucking dope. Man, my old man's long go crazy. 535 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: I got something to get Stone to just do. It's 536 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 4: gonna take be honest with. 537 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: You, Yeah, because I have to. I have to go 538 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: abrode A couple of times a year, so. 539 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 4: We pissed it so fucking dope. Man, it's for a while, 540 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 4: just the stun on mother. 541 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: We got uh map, I think we got one. 542 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the thing. 543 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 4: This is. 544 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: This is just a something I really like, cold secret history. 545 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever get into graphic novels, but. 546 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 4: Yes, I don't reading the Joker one now. 547 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: Oh oh, yes, this is one that I think you 548 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: will find fascinating. Blue he wrote it or when we 549 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: read it me and just thought you might like her. 550 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: Give to some man, thank you. 551 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: I keep books. I keep book Yeah, all the rumors 552 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 4: are true, man, I keep books. I like toys, fast cards. 553 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: You know, marijuana, no coke, no strippers with flat acid. 554 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 4: So you just flying weed with me? What's that strip club? 555 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: All the white guys joke each other, take each other 556 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 4: the Claimont lounge like so God bless the claim Mark. 557 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 4: You're not gonna catch me in there? 558 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: Well, can I tell you that's the only one in 559 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: Atlanta I've ever been. 560 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna go to the booth. We're gonna fix that. 561 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 4: We're gonna just airport Amy, they're taking away. I took 562 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 4: bill Mark, Dave Chappelle. Start somewhere respectable. 563 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: There are a. 564 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: Couple of us. Oh you know, Cheetah just got turned 565 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: into Georgia Tech housing. 566 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 4: Yeah I heard it. Used to be girls worked at 567 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 4: Georgia Tech. I mean worked at Cheetahs and went to Tech. Yeah, 568 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: it's like, you know, but man, I know they got 569 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 4: paid a grip. But China, you know, Cheeah was cool 570 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 4: and then they got urban the last few years. I 571 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: was never a big fan. Yeah, I like ass too, 572 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 4: and the tents were great, the hair shaking and mouth 573 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 4: and through death laffer. You know what I'm saying. But 574 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 4: it's like I want to hear some fucking couchie. Man, 575 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 4: it's on some chicken wings some assic. 576 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: Is Magic City as good as everybody says it is? 577 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, it is absolutely better wings at Blue Flame, 578 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 4: and Blue Flame is usually the It's usually the starting 579 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: points for girls who end up at Magic So I'll 580 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: encourage you to go to Blue Flame because the dance 581 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: is only five where Magics are ten. So I like 582 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 4: Magic City and Blue Flames amazing. If you're on my budget, 583 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: gonna be the Blue Flag. I called Tip, he's at 584 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: Magic City seeing the restaurant. See your Seafood Tomorrow shouts 585 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 4: out to Magic congratulations on the docu series that Jermain 586 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: Free and Jamie Girts, who is calling her of the 587 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 4: Hawks with her husband Tony Wrestler. Jamie did an amazing 588 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: docu series on Magic City that really humanized the girls. 589 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 4: Showed Magic and his ex wife as just two human 590 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 4: beings making the American dream come true, you know, and 591 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: being feeling throp in the community. Their kids were involved 592 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: in putting it together. And I just think Jamie is 593 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 4: an amazing human being for seeing a deeper story and 594 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: not just telling her players something. Go there, you know, 595 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 4: she's great. 596 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: There we go and this is this is where, with 597 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: great regret, we do actually have to end the show 598 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: before Yeah, our producers fire. 599 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: I'll come, I'll come gifts. 600 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 3: So we just think the world man, We appreciate you 601 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: being here and spending time. 602 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 4: It means the world to me. I appreciate you got 603 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 4: so much. 604 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: No worries. What's uh? What's the last question? What's the 605 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: perfect day for you in Atlanta? 606 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: So perfect day for me in Atlanta. I woke up today. 607 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 4: I'm going to get in my old school at some 608 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: point as it's fall weather. Even though I have air condition. Now, 609 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 4: I'm going to get to wear my more House sweater 610 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 4: and sneakers, going to get to hang out. I had 611 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 4: barbecue at Dos Barbecue, and I'll probably end up eating 612 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 4: barbecue again at pitt Boss later because just protein and 613 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 4: green dye thing. Twenty five pounds away from three hundred. 614 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 4: I got to hang out with man and being with 615 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: two of the coolest fucking white guys ever. I got kissed. 616 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna smoke high potent powered marijuana. Ramsey has gonna 617 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 4: kill your masterve shirts Baron locals out there. And my 618 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: wife is built like she dances in the blue, flying 619 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 4: with a brain like she went to Georgia Tech. So 620 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: it's good. Maybe I'll started by the blue fighting helped 621 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 4: some gros through college later. Thank you all right, love 622 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 4: and respect. Thank y'all so much. 623 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: So, concludes an interview that we were not expecting. Right. 624 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: It still feels, I would say, Matt, very surreal for 625 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: both of us, and obviously also few Dylan. 626 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: Right, the three of us were in a very surreal 627 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 3: situation when we found out that this was actually happening. Today. 628 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 3: We don't have to go into that, but you already 629 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: know we were on a boat. 630 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: We're on a boat, Sidon, you'll get us. 631 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were like twenty minutes in the interview, and 632 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: I was like, I can't believe this is happening. 633 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 4: That's really Killer Mike. 634 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: Yes, he was just sitting right here and we're having 635 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: We're like, we're making eye contact with Killer Mike and 636 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: he's talking to us, and just you're just listening and 637 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: attempting to respond. I'm sorry, I don't I get star 638 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: struck sometimes. A couple of times it's happened to me. Yeah, 639 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: and this is definitely one of them. 640 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me of that time I met an 641 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: astronaut with the secret I was way less awkward. I 642 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: hope with mister Render. We can't thank Killer Mike enough 643 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: for his time. You've heard him on our show and 644 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: so now if you dig us, you're gonna love his show. 645 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: Please do check out Conversate with none other than Killer Mike, 646 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: produced by our own brother in arms, Ramsey Wang's yunt. 647 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna explain it. 648 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna. 649 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: Explain the name. And we talked about so much stuff, folks. 650 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: We would love to hear your opinions, your thoughts. You 651 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: are the most important part of the show, So please 652 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: find us online anywhere the Conspiracy Conspiracy Stuff show something 653 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: like that. It'll get you there. 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