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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the Herd. It's a lovely Thursday

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Speaker 3: in sunny and warm Los Angeles. Yep, we got the

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Speaker 3: heat wave out here. Sorry to those of you dealing

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Speaker 3: with cold March weather. We don't know what that's like.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just the weather that's hot in LA.

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Speaker 4: It's the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, or is the kids like to say,

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Speaker 3: oh MG, Welcome to the Herd. It's me Jason McIntyre

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Speaker 3: in for vacationing Colin Coward.

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Speaker 4: He's now cutting me off, won't.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me because the Lakers are so hot, and

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Speaker 3: he knows he's got to come back and do where

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Speaker 3: Colin was wrong seventeen times on the LA Lakers. I'm

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Speaker 3: joined today by Rachel Nichols. Listen, we had a spirited

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Speaker 3: morning meeting.

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Speaker 4: Rachel.

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Speaker 3: I know you're fired up obviously NCAA tournament, but the

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Speaker 3: Lakers are the big story.

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Speaker 4: We got Janis Janis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot going on right now.

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Speaker 4: There is a lot happening.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get to Jannis at a moment, but I

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Speaker 3: need to start with the Lakers and their win last

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Speaker 3: night over the Rockets. They go to Houston this week,

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Speaker 3: sweep the Rockets with two dominant fourth quarters Monday. It

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Speaker 3: was defensively okay, remember the blitzing, the pressing of Kevin

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Speaker 3: Durant Wednesday?

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Speaker 4: It was offense and it.

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Speaker 3: Was a Luka danciech talking spicy.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear him? That's what I'm bleeping.

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Speaker 3: Do to the crowd in Houston after just taking over

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Speaker 3: Luca was sensacio. Now, as they say in soccer, folks,

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Speaker 3: I'm just telling you. I know people like to say

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Speaker 3: always overweight, he's not dunking. Are you watching basketball? Why

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Speaker 3: are we doubting this guy? The highlight reel from last

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Speaker 3: night alone, the alley oops eight rueye Lebron. It was

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Speaker 3: in credible and it the Lakers' performance overall made three things.

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Speaker 3: Look at this job ooky. He's making Jabari Smith dance,

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Speaker 3: poor guy. And then he's looking at the crowd saying

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Speaker 3: that's what I do. I'm just telling you, if you

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Speaker 3: don't like the Don Luca, you got problems. This guy

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Speaker 3: is one of the best shows in the league. And

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Speaker 3: what he showed me last night in the Lakers three

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Speaker 3: things are very obvious.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the Lakers are contenders, serious title contenders. The

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Speaker 3: round mound of rebound, who just last weekend was out.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, they're not gonna. I think you got to

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Speaker 3: change your two when you could take down New York, Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: Denver and sweep Houston on the road. Peaking matters more

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Speaker 3: in March than it does in January and December.

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Speaker 4: The Lakers are hot right now. That's clear Number one.

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Speaker 3: Number two is Lebron James has fit into the role

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Speaker 3: JJ Reddick put him in. They had some come to

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Speaker 3: Jesus discussion. I'm sure it's going to come out later

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Speaker 3: on about what went down, But look at this hot streak.

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Speaker 3: The Lakers are on fire. Lebron's doing everything right here.

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Speaker 3: We had an amazing game last night, thirteen or fourteen

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Speaker 4: We'll give Lebron his own segment shortly.

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Speaker 3: But I think my big picture takeaway watching this team

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Speaker 3: gel or Coalesce, as reddis likes to say, I think

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Speaker 3: it's very clear, guys that I would rather face Okac

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Speaker 3: in the second round than the San Antonio Spurs. The

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Speaker 3: Spurs terrified me. Okay, they are downright scary. Okay, see

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Speaker 3: really really good defending champs. But right now, the way

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Speaker 3: the Lakers are playing, as you hear JJ Reddick here,

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Speaker 3: I'm not afraid of the thunder. Here's Reddick on the

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Speaker 3: Lakers hot streak.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of things that are really good right now. Again,

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Speaker 6: I talked about it before the game, just high level

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Speaker 6: of people embracing the roles that the team needs. I

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Speaker 6: think our guys are doing a fantastic job of making

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Speaker 6: in game adjustments as we toggle through different defenses, you know,

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Speaker 6: different things that we want to spoil on the offensive end,

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Speaker 6: just from where we were earlier in the season on

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Speaker 6: both those things. Just being able to execute in game

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Speaker 6: and then and then embracing you know, the roles that

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Speaker 6: higher level right now. You can tell when a group

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Speaker 6: is connected, and we've we've been very connected for the last.

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Speaker 7: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: It's just so smart. Gotta love JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 3: And let's be real, it's not just Lebron who's bought

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Speaker 3: in DeAndre Ayton. I think he's going to remove his

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Speaker 3: nickname of dominating, which is Goofy. You don't dominate anything, Okay,

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Speaker 3: you get on the block, you score a couple buckets,

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Speaker 3: you catch a couple of lobs, and you play defense.

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Speaker 3: That's the reality. You know, You're not out here looking

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Speaker 3: for some big contracts.

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Speaker 4: Stop trying. Let Luca cook.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Austin Reeves was terrible the last two games,

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Speaker 3: and the Lakers won handily. And I look at this

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Speaker 3: potential opponent, you know, everybody all the thunder or terrifying. Yes,

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Speaker 3: they won the title last year. Do I need to

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Speaker 3: remind you guys how they did because against it Denver team,

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Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon was on one leg. He got hurt in

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Speaker 3: game six, Game seven, he's on one leg, and okay,

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Speaker 3: see wins. And then you face the Pacers in the finals,

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Speaker 3: and Game seven was looking scary early and then Tyrese

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Speaker 3: Haliburton goes down and OKAC pulls away easily. I'm not

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Speaker 3: quite putting an asterisk by their title. It's not like

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Speaker 3: the Raptors. Remember when the Raptors beat the Warriors because

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Speaker 3: KD was down and Clay was down. Like, that's different.

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Speaker 3: This OKAC team is really good. But as you see

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Speaker 3: some highlights here Keseon Wallace, Yeah, really nice, Caruso, nice dude,

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Speaker 3: Lou Dort. Here's the problem. They're so deep.

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Speaker 4: OKAC runs like twelve deep.

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Speaker 3: They're a great regular season team, a bunch of young

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Speaker 4: They run NonStop. But here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: You start looking at the postseason and there's a great

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Speaker 3: pat Riley quote. You play eight and you trust seven.

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Speaker 3: You're not playing twelve or even ten guys in a

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Speaker 3: playoff series. It's too high level. The minutes matter. You're

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Speaker 3: not having SGA come off the court for twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: So like Mitchell, who's a really nice player, Jared McCain, Wiggins,

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Speaker 3: Isaiah Joe, all these guys are hugely valuable, there's just

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Speaker 3: no minutes for them. So when you shrink the bench,

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Speaker 3: I like the Lakers matchup against the Thunder and you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to sell the staff guys. I'm terrified of

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Speaker 3: wehm Ben Yama. There is no matchup for him anywhere

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Speaker 4: Wem Min Yama.

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Speaker 3: I was like fifth row when wem Benyama went for

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Speaker 3: like twenty eight points in the first quarter against the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Now it was a mass unit Lakers, but they got humiliated.

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Speaker 3: There are there's no zone defense. It's gonna stop Wemby.

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Speaker 3: He's unstoppable. And you look at Stefan Castle, go look

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Speaker 3: I do not want Luca facing him in a seven

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Speaker 3: game series again. Lou Dort, he's fine, but we know

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Speaker 3: he's a cheap shout artist getting thrown out of games

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Speaker 3: doing dirty stuff.

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Speaker 4: Lucas had his way with him.

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, do I need to remind

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Speaker 3: you guys, the last team and player to take down

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Speaker 3: Okac in the playoffs, you got it, Luka Doncic with

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Mavericks two years ago.

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Speaker 4: I looked it up. Luca averaged a nice.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four, ten and eight in that series, utterly dominant,

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Speaker 3: and guess what else happened? All the role players on

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Speaker 3: Dallas fit perfectly. Everybody did their role. I think the

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Speaker 4: And honestly, if.

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Speaker 3: You don't think the Lakers are at least a major

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Speaker 3: contender to come out of the West, you haven't been

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Speaker 3: watching the basketball close enough. All right, I want to

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Speaker 3: pivot to another story in the NBA that is a

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Speaker 3: little troubling. You could see this coming from a mile away,

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Speaker 3: but reports surface yesterday that Yanis and the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 4: Sort of beefing.

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Speaker 3: And I'm looking for the exact quote here because it's

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Speaker 3: a little clunky when it comes out on social media

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Speaker 3: and you start to wonder, well, who's leaking this is

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Speaker 3: just coming from the Bucks or is just coming from Yannis.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to read it to you.

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Speaker 3: The Bucks want Yannas shut down for the remainder of

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Speaker 3: the season after his latest injury. And if you haven't

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Speaker 3: been paying attention, the Bucks, who haven't got out of

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Speaker 3: the first round the last three years, keeps getting injured.

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Speaker 3: Not great for a guy who's thirty one years old.

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Speaker 3: The team's playoff chances dwindled, but Attenakoumpo has refused the

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Speaker 3: team's requests and wants to play why you're hurt You're

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Speaker 3: not making the playoffs, but Giannis wants to play.

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Speaker 4: It gets better, folks.

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Speaker 3: There have been multiple meetings over Attenekumpo's status in the

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Speaker 3: last twenty four hours since it's hyper extended me and

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Speaker 3: a disagreement has ensued between.

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Speaker 4: The sides on whether it is best for him to return.

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Speaker 3: I'm of the belief and feel free to disagree that

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Speaker 3: this is Yanni's leaking this because he's afraid to be

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Speaker 4: And I know you guys know this old quote.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if you try to please everybody, you please nobody,

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Speaker 3: And Yannis is trying to come out not looking like

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Speaker 3: the bad guy. He is terrified of being Kevin Durant

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Speaker 3: or Lebron James. And I get it. You don't want

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Speaker 3: everybody hating you around the league in Milwaukee where you.

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Speaker 4: Set up shop and want a title.

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Speaker 3: But it's looking increasingly like that's going to be the case, folks.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna break it down for you pretty easily, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Richel and I agree. Tanking works. I am pro tanking,

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Speaker 3: especially especially in this draft.

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Speaker 4: Milwaukee sitting at twenty eight and forty.

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Speaker 3: They're tenth in the West, They're not making the playoffs

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Speaker 3: like seven games out, So they have a thirteen percent

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Speaker 3: chance right now at the top four, and top four

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Speaker 3: would Debanza Peterson, Acuff Boozer, maybe Caleb Wilson.

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Speaker 4: In that top four, they only have a thirteen percent chance.

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Speaker 3: But Dallas is twenty three and forty seven, only five

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Speaker 3: games worse than the Bucks. They have a thirty seven

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Speaker 3: percent chance in the top four. So you're telling me

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Speaker 3: if you shut down yan Us, and I know they're

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Speaker 3: not good with him right now. They think they're two

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Speaker 3: to nine in their last eleven.

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Speaker 4: So they're not good with him. They're horrific without him.

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Speaker 3: So you can triple almost triple your chances from thirteen

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Speaker 3: to thirty seven of landing in the top four if

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Speaker 3: you lose a lot more games.

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Speaker 4: Folks, with the.

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Speaker 3: Honest they're at least competitive. They could score. You see

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Speaker 3: it on the screen. Without him, we're talking a full

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Speaker 3: on dumpster fire. Like the Utah Jazz who bench for

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Speaker 3: starters last night. Well, you know, Jared Jackson's hurt and

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Speaker 3: they give up one hundred and forty seven to the

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Speaker 3: Timberwolves without Anthony Edwards. It's like, yeah, they're trying not

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Speaker 3: On The Herd, Hey, Albert breerfloated something fascinating on Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: boll So. Albert Rereer came on the show yesterday and

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Speaker 3: we're looking at about three months in Baltimore. The story

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Speaker 4: Like what's going on? And he would show up at

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Speaker 9: This is all complicated by his play style. You know,

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Speaker 3: And I think Rachel had the stat he's been hit

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Speaker 4: You bring on Hendrickson. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for Jesse Minter. You see him here

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Speaker 5: Jason.

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Speaker 10: We actually got some pretty shocking and a bummer story

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Speaker 5: He's going to be out for at least two weeks

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Speaker 10: And the Pistons right now are still three and a

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Speaker 10: But I don't know without Kid Cunningham, they really lose

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Speaker 5: Tune at all.

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Speaker 10: Given all of this, and obviously the first the first

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Speaker 3: What do you think I dug into some recent injuries

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Speaker 4: McCollum is like seventeen games.

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Speaker 3: regular season. I don't know that Detroit has the supporting

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Speaker 4: Who's their go to score? He does everything for them?

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Speaker 5: And you know, for a young player, that's.

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Speaker 4: Can you get all NBA?

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Speaker 3: You can't get all into any of it, none of Wow.

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Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, but he makes sixty right, But I just

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Speaker 10: I mean, the NBA will fill out I'm a voter,

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Speaker 10: we will fill out all NBA. But it's just, you know,

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Speaker 10: this kid had such a great.

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Speaker 5: Season and third.

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Speaker 10: And to be in that contention and then not even

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Speaker 10: you know, possibly make it because he would basically I

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Speaker 10: did the math, he'd have to come back in eighteen

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Speaker 10: days to get four games left in the schedule for

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Speaker 10: the Pits.

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Speaker 3: If you want to rush someone back from a collapse,

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Speaker 3: I've never had a collapse, Lung, I don't have you

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Speaker 3: I know, Oh, this is the injury on the screen.

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Speaker 4: Let's see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's laboring, calling for a sub.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, looking at the bench. That's not great.

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Speaker 5: That's serious business, you know.

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately they caught it and he is completely gonna be okay.

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Speaker 3: But I'm looking at their schedule, so they have one

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Speaker 3: against the Thunder, one against the Lakers, two against the Wolves,

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Speaker 3: no Anthony Edwards and those I'm assuming Raptors, Magic Hawks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the schedule is not brutal. It's about middle

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Speaker 4: of the pack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Knicks, well, the Knicks probably won't

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Speaker 3: overtake them, but your Celtics will.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you know, we'll see Luke and Lebron

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Speaker 10: as we were talking about early in the show, they

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Speaker 10: combined for seventy points as they beat the Rockets last night.

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Speaker 5: Lebron Man, this was.

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Speaker 10: A turn back the clock game thirteen or fourteen from

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Speaker 10: the floor six dunks. Kevin Durant was impressed. Take a

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Speaker 10: listen to what he thought of Lebron this is h

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Speaker 10: post game.

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Speaker 7: I think you could play it till he's forty five

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Speaker 7: years Well, I don't know if he wanted to be

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Speaker 7: around that long, but I think you could play.

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Speaker 8: For another four to five years called bean and so pah,

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Speaker 8: it's not surprised anymore.

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Speaker 7: I mean age he is forty one, but looks great

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Speaker 7: out there. I mean, when you love a game as

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Speaker 7: much as he does, you do anything in the stay

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Speaker 7: locked in and stay at top on top of your game.

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Speaker 7: So he's very inspiring anything with being.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the conversation all year has been should he

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Speaker 10: retire this season at forty one? Should he retire next

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Speaker 10: season at forty two? Do you think Katie's right that

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Speaker 10: he could be playing for years?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean Tom Brady at our own network, I

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Speaker 3: mean kept playing, was at a high level. I'm looking

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Speaker 3: now looks like twenty one, six and five for Lebron. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: those are amazing numbers at forty one. Yeah.

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Speaker 10: No, I mean the question has never been on this

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Speaker 10: will he stay with the Lakers or won't he? Is

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Speaker 10: Lebron still good? We know he's still good. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 10: a top level player. It's does he fit with this

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Speaker 10: roster at age forty one. Your tune on that, I

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Speaker 10: think that it really depends on the role that they

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Speaker 10: want to give him next year, because I think the money. Look,

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Speaker 10: if he just says I want a bunch of money,

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Speaker 10: then they can't keep it, like they got to pay Austin.

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Speaker 10: They need to add some other players to make Lucas

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Speaker 10: you know better and all of that stuff. If they

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Speaker 10: can figure out the money, then it opens the conversation

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Speaker 10: of what will his role be? And he's buying into

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Speaker 10: this role right now. Is this what he wants to

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Speaker 10: the rest of his career to be? Is defense and

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Speaker 10: scrapping on the floor. Are they going to play him

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Speaker 10: as many minutes? Are they going to play him at

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Speaker 10: the end of games? Because just the three guys are

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Speaker 10: still they've been playing better defense, but they're still not

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Speaker 10: a defensive juggernaut. You'd need, like in Game six of

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Speaker 10: the Western Conference Finals against Wemby, right, you need to

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Speaker 10: sit one.

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Speaker 5: Of those guys. So would would he be okay with that?

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's just a bunch of role questions.

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Speaker 10: If you go to a place like Cleveland that's a

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Speaker 10: much more strong defensive team, so he could play.

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Speaker 4: Is he going to get shots with Harden and Mitchell.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I think I think.

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Speaker 3: They're more ball Hogy. I mean Harden and Mitchell alone.

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Speaker 3: I want to see how they work in the postseason.

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Speaker 10: Harden has really shown in recent years he is comfortable

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Speaker 10: dishing the ball out. I mean, if you look, he

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Speaker 10: is not the player that he was in Houston.

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Speaker 3: Who would be the third option? Would Lebron be the

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Speaker 3: third option or MOBILEI.

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Speaker 10: I think he would be the second option. I think

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Speaker 10: Harden would become the third option.

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Speaker 5: But we've seen that. It's not like I'm not projecting

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Speaker 5: like we've seen that.

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Speaker 10: He he did that in Philadelphia. He did it with

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Speaker 10: the Clippers like he's done it on two teams already.

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Speaker 3: Really like I reposed, asked to end it up leaving,

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Speaker 3: but well, yeah.

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Speaker 10: He left Philadelphia because he said I took this role.

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Speaker 5: Change, give me my money, and they didn't more screwed him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well sorry, well.

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Speaker 4: In his yes, in his opit.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know, I mean, a long time jump d.

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Speaker 3: Trying to deflect from another bad performance, is it really?

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Speaker 3: He had two shot attempts in the second half or four.

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Speaker 10: Some of those, Cass, I know, I know last time

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Speaker 10: it was one basket, but.

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Speaker 3: I thought, I mean, I didn't bet it, but the

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Speaker 3: over on Kevin Durant points I thought was automatic.

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Speaker 4: I mean I had like eighteen points.

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Speaker 5: I told you.

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Speaker 10: What did I tell you Monday morning? Lakers were winning

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Speaker 10: both of these?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Good call, right, So I mean Houston is not in

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Speaker 10: good shape right now. Not they are not, all right,

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Speaker 10: Let's move on to the little football bucks. GM Jason

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Speaker 10: Light spoke to the media about losing wide receiver Mike

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Speaker 10: Evans to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: Remember, Evans was Light's first draft pick.

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Speaker 10: The two reportedly have a good relationship, and that's why

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Speaker 10: he said after this, he said, I'm not angry. He said,

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Speaker 10: I'm really just in mourning right about this. And also

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Speaker 10: both he and Evans, so both sides agree, had made

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Speaker 10: it clear they offered him more money than the forty

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Speaker 10: nine ers did, so he didn't leave for the money.

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Speaker 10: He's beloved in Tampa, really good relationship with the front office.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think he left the.

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Speaker 3: Team quarterback up grade? Should I save that for Cowherd

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Speaker 3: rock perty That's a great question. Maybe Kyle Shanahan sold

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Speaker 3: him something. Hey, we're losing Auk, We're losing Jittings, we

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Speaker 3: need you as our guy, whereas I don't want to

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Speaker 3: say he was being deemphasized in Tampa, but they have

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Speaker 3: the young kids to Buka. I think Godwin's back, so

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Speaker 3: maybe an opertunit.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question.

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Speaker 10: I think maybe some stability, right Shanahan forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: That is stability not going anywhere.

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Speaker 10: Todd Bowles definitely on the hot seats, yes, right, and

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Speaker 10: you know that requires more desperate moves, different vibe in

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Speaker 10: the locker room. Things can go south more quickly.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I just look, a guy of this caliber who's had

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Speaker 10: this much success with this one team does not tend

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Speaker 10: to pick up and leave, especially when they're the ones

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Speaker 10: offering him more money.

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Speaker 5: So this is very unusual.

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Speaker 3: Should we send this Toianness, Hey, Mike Evans could have

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Speaker 3: taken more money to stay. He left Giannaty. It's okay,

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Speaker 3: nobody cares.

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Speaker 5: By the way, there's kids in Tampa who care. Jason,

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Speaker 5: What's I going to do with this Mike Evans Jersey.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, But Mike Evans is not under the kind of

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Speaker 10: I'm not excusing what's going on in Milwaukee, but he's

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Speaker 10: not under the kind of national pressure that you know

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Speaker 10: he is, but it's super interesting and I'm curious to

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Speaker 10: see how he does it on the forty nine. Apparently

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Speaker 10: he had at least three teams going after him.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he didn't have an amazing season last year.

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Speaker 10: Right, we all know what a quality Yeah, we know

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Speaker 10: what a quality guy is on the field. You want

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Speaker 10: him and it's just such a great threat, you know,

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Speaker 10: draws defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: All right, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 4: All Right, the week's flying by.

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Speaker 3: We haven't done much NFL draft, but this Ty Simpson

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Speaker 3: discussion is interesting.

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Speaker 4: We got a guest coming up, who's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Tell us will Simpson go in the first round like

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Speaker 3: summer projecting or is he more of a second round quarterback.

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Speaker 3: That's next on the Herd.

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Speaker 3: Back here on the Herd, we haven't done a ton

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Speaker 3: of NFL draft this week, even though some mock drafts

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Speaker 3: are popping, and we have one from The Athletic. Let's

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Speaker 3: bring on Nick Baumgardner from The Athletic, co host of

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Speaker 3: the One of These Years podcast, Big Detroit Lions Guy. Nick,

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Speaker 3: very excited for your mock draft. I'm mostly thrilled. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for not putting Ty Simpson to my Jets. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much.

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Speaker 8: Great, Yeah, you bet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Let's start with La Tai Simpson. There's there's not

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Speaker 3: a lot of mystery. Mendoza goes one.

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Speaker 4: We would have said a lot. Okay, where do you have?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And why?

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Speaker 11: So for me, you know, I don't think he's a

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Speaker 11: first round pick, but I mean I was a little

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Speaker 11: bit in this boat with Jackson Dart around this time

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Speaker 11: last year. It got a little closer to you know,

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Speaker 11: by the end where some teams said, Okay, I like

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Speaker 11: him enough, I'll trade up into the bottom of the

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Speaker 11: first round. Like I could see that being a situation.

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Speaker 11: But if you look at the whole thing, right, like

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Speaker 11: it's only one year of experience. The first three orders

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Speaker 11: of his tape from last season is really good and

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Speaker 11: the last quarter is really bad, and so you just

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Speaker 11: don't have enough. I really would have loved to see

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Speaker 11: him come back a year. It's a little bit like

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Speaker 11: the Will Levis situation in terms of in terms of

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Speaker 11: tape and experience. Now I mean off the field, I

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Speaker 11: think it could be different and this might be a deal.

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Speaker 11: Thing that tips him over the top for some is

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Speaker 11: that you know, he's the son of a coach, Jason Simpson.

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Speaker 8: Is his dad there Chet Neuguy, I think it is

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Speaker 8: or Ut Martin. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 11: So he's been around football forever, a smart kid. But

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Speaker 11: you know it's a limited, limited sample size for sure.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting you said Simpson started hot and I

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Speaker 3: remember a bunch of good fourth quotors. I was like,

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Speaker 3: this guy's clutch. What do you think happened in the

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Speaker 3: second half of the season. Was he thinking draft defense

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Speaker 3: is a just have they seen a lot of tape

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Speaker 3: on him and they're like, oh, that we know his

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Speaker 3: tendencies Because that Indiana game, I think it was a rosebuar.

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00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 11: He was atrocious, right, I mean if you watched like

660
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 11: the Wisconsin game they played in September, you would have

661
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 11: thought this guy's going like number three in the draft

662
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 11: for number two.

663
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 8: He was amazing.

664
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 11: Right through September into Halloween, he was great, And I

665
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 11: really think it was a situation where the tougher teams

666
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 11: on the schedule were later. The first game where you

667
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 11: really got paused with him was when they played Oklahoma.

668
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 8: The first time. He was a mess in that game.

669
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 8: It was better the second time they played him.

670
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 11: And then you get into the playoffs, Like you say,

671
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 11: you go against him like Indiana, who throws different stuff

672
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 11: at you, and he was just all over the place.

673
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 11: If he doesn't recognize what he's seeing, or if he's

674
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 11: uncomfortable with to line of scrimmage, he'll start to panic.

675
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 11: And that's the stuff you can't really rely on right

676
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 11: now in my mind as a first round pick level stuff.

677
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 11: Mendoza doesn't do that. You know, that's the difference. What

678
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 11: of the differences there, It's weird.

679
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: I did see some chatter like, hey, maybe they bring

680
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: on the Raiders Kirk Cousins and he starts and Mendoza sits.

681
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 4: I'm vehemently against that.

682
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: I don't know where do you stand on the whole, Hey,

683
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: Mendoza looks like he's ready or he should sit, you know,

684
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: weigh in on that place.

685
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 8: I think he's ready to go. I think this is

686
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 8: a really safe quarterback.

687
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 11: You know.

688
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 8: I've heard some people ask.

689
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 11: You know, is he only the lock at the top

690
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 11: because this is a very good group and he's like

691
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 11: the best of the bad group, And I I don't

692
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 11: think that's fair.

693
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 8: I think I would compare it to kind of like

694
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 8: last year.

695
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 11: You know, cam Ward I still think has a chance

696
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 11: to be good depending on the situation around him. But

697
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 11: the reason why I liked cam Ward a lot last year,

698
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 11: apart from his physical skills and everything else, is he

699
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 11: got better every year he played.

700
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 8: The arrow just went up and up and up. And

701
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 8: it's the same thing with Mendoza.

702
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 11: He's all about when you talk to scouts and coaches,

703
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 11: all about his preparation, all about his work ethic, you know,

704
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 11: like he's got the unique personality and all the crazy stuff,

705
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 11: and people have asked about is that going to fit?

706
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 11: Is that not going to fit? Like to me, he

707
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 11: comes in and is all about his business. That's all

708
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 11: you hear about. And I think he's going to be

709
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 11: a guy who not only is a good fit for

710
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 11: a rebuilding franchise, but a guy who I think can

711
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 11: handle the lumps you know, for a year or two

712
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 11: that are going to happen for a young quarterback.

713
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: I like the cam Ward comp So yeah, I'll ask

714
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: you so now that cam Ward has Brian Dabole calling

715
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: plays as opposed to I think it was Callahan with

716
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: disaster last year, bigger upside in the next three years.

717
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: Mendoza or cam Ward. Mendoza as Kubiak who just worked, Yeah,

718
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: with Sam Darnold in Seattle.

719
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 8: That is a great question, man.

720
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 11: I would maybe reserve the right to change my answer

721
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 11: after I see what the Raiders doing the draft.

722
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 8: Yes, but I will go cam Ward.

723
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 11: I will go cam work because I think I do

724
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 11: think I really like cam Ward, and if they can

725
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 11: I'm just gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb

726
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 11: and say they're gonna give him some guys, right, and

727
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 11: they're not going to totally, like, just completely abandon him

728
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 11: and ruin him basically. But I think if you give

729
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 11: him some help and you continue to lean on his improvement.

730
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 11: You watch his tate last year, same thing it started,

731
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 11: you know, not so great, by the end of the year,

732
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 11: much better. I think we're going to see another level

733
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 11: from him as time goes on. He's got an extra

734
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 11: year on Fernando. But also I don't want that to

735
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 11: be a downgrade on Mendoza. I think he'll be good too.

736
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 11: I just Cam's athletic ceiling I think pushes him a

737
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 11: little bit higher.

738
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I tend to agree.

739
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to bash this draft to say it's

740
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: not great, but certainly it does feel a little light

741
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: at the top, especially when it comes to skill position players.

742
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: Everybody has Tate high, but no real other elite receivers.

743
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: There's one great running back, and you know the sex

744
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: and skill positions are what everybody loves. So I'm curious,

745
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: do you have Jeremiah Love going seventh? To Rachel's commanders,

746
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: they need a lot on defense. But I've seen some

747
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: people speculate that the Tennessee Titans, as you see Nick Mockel,

748
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: the Titans, who you have Sonny Styles.

749
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: We'll get to him in a.

750
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: Second, but I'm curious, what do you think is the

751
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: high that Jeremiah Love could go? Given the success that

752
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: some of these young guys have had Jamir Gibbs, b

753
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: Jean Robinson early in their careers.

754
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 11: Well, I'd love to see him at four with the

755
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 11: Titans with you know, like we just mentioned with Cam,

756
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 11: I think he'd be a great fit there. I think

757
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 11: with Dabele coming into if they're going to invest upfront

758
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 11: and do some things there, I would love to.

759
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 8: See him there.

760
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 11: And the reason why is I think he's a better

761
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 11: prospect than Anshon gent was. I think he is in

762
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 11: the tier of your Bijon and your Gibbs tier. I

763
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 11: think if I was going to rank those guys, GT

764
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 11: would be just below that. Not a bad player still,

765
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 11: but I do think this is a better player. This

766
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 11: guy's truth free down weapon, sub four four forty, can

767
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 11: jump and run through people. He can run anything, do anything.

768
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 11: You know, he's got a little bit of that Ladanian Tomlinson,

769
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 11: you know, dare I say inside of him, this is

770
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 11: a very very good football player. And I really hope

771
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 11: that teams don't like I've seen some of the like

772
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 11: our beat writers at the Athletic at of mock draft

773
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 11: and they had him dropping like fourteen, and.

774
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 8: I was like, guys, I don't think that. I don't know.

775
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 11: He is a very very good player, easily one of

776
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 11: the top five players in this class.

777
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 8: If we're just going pound for pounds, so I think

778
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 8: he's legit.

779
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: I think someone mentioned to me after the combine, remember

780
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 3: how the Chiefs A lot of people were pegging Jeremiah

781
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: Love to the Chiefs. I guess they came back and

782
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: they were like, there's no chance we're getting.

783
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 8: Outcack, make it he Kenneth.

784
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: Let's go overpay for Kenneth Walker. Interesting.

785
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: So you know again, Sonny Styles was a really good

786
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: player in Ohio States loaded defense. Let's add that they

787
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: were stacked all three levels, Caleb Downs and Reese.

788
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: I don't know about drafting Sunny Styles for a.

789
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: Linebacker, so I was hoping my Jets would grab him

790
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: at sixteen and he would fit great.

791
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it is.

792
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: Dicey linebackers going in the top ten I think recent memory,

793
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: there haven't been many good ones. Just your thoughts on

794
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 3: kind of a lack of a premium position there at four.

795
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's definitely that's the high I would say for

796
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 11: him would be four. But I also would say I

797
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 11: don't see him falling out of ten right now at

798
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 11: this situation because, and I'll say this, the difference with

799
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 11: Sunny Styles, and you make the point about the linebackers,

800
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 11: this is you don't see this.

801
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 8: It's very rare.

802
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 11: It almost never happens. But this is an extremely rare

803
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 11: prospect in terms of physical six foot five legit two

804
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 11: forty easily the best athlete in terms of the big

805
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 11: man you know linebacker at the combine that we've maybe

806
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 11: seen ever. I mean, he was like sub four four

807
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 11: jumping through the roof, just like he still runs like

808
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 11: a fast safety, still sees the game a little bit

809
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 11: like the safety.

810
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 8: I think the things you could do with.

811
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 11: Sunny Styles in terms of positional versatility are all over

812
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 11: the place, Like you could do so many things with him,

813
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 11: So I think he's got that wild card to him

814
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 11: a little bit. And it's not the same thing is

815
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 11: like what this what Seattle ended up doing with Nicki

816
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 11: bin Wari last year, right where they put him in

817
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 11: there and had him be a subplayer. I think Styles

818
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 11: is the guy you can move around. You can put

819
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 11: him off the edge, you could drop him back, you

820
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 11: could cover. He could do all kinds of stuff at

821
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 11: six five, two forty. But he's got to go to

822
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 11: the right coach. He's got to go to the right

823
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 11: team right, So it depends. But I think that he's

824
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 11: a top ten player in this draft. Four is probably

825
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 11: the highest that he would go, and maybe that's too high,

826
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 11: but I think maybe five to ten somewhere in there.

827
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 11: I think he's got to get slipping there.

828
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: I feel like some of these workout wonders over the

829
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: years have just been believable in Indie and you were like, Okay,

830
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: he was good during the season. I don't remember him

831
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: being considered like a top ten pick during the season.

832
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: So do you think teams are.

833
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: Over analyzing running around in your underwear and lifting weights

834
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 3: and stuff.

835
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 11: I think part of the thing with Sunny Styles was,

836
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 11: like I think a lot of teams wanted to confirm

837
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 11: some of the stuff that they saw on tape, like

838
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 11: right like it's like, you know how fast they are too.

839
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 11: It's a little bit different than the old days where

840
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 11: you know they have the GPS numbers on these guys

841
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 11: when they when they get out before know what he

842
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 11: topped out at.

843
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 8: But I think that they.

844
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 11: Want to see, you know, what is he going to

845
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 11: look like when he's all juiced up and ready to go,

846
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 11: and is he going to compete. The other thing too

847
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 11: with Sonny is he did every drill. He's one of

848
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 11: the only guys at the combine that did every single drill,

849
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 11: and that is a huge deal in today's today's world

850
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 11: where all these guys skip drills. Kids don't think it's

851
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 11: a big deal. But if he did the three cone

852
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 11: and the short shuttle, which like might as well be retired.

853
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 8: Nobody wants to do those anymore.

854
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 11: He did everything, So to me, he's a competitor. He

855
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 11: wanted to show up and go. I think a lot.

856
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 11: I think, but I do think that the scouts in

857
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 11: the NFL had him higher than the media did too.

858
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 8: During the season.

859
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 11: Linebacker is just a tricky you don't know what teams

860
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 11: are going to look at. But I do think the

861
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 11: fact that Seattle made that run last year with athletes

862
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 11: in the middle of the middle of their defense, you

863
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 11: see hybrid level guys. Now, Michael Parsons has changed the

864
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 11: way people think about some of these guys. So I

865
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 11: think some of that could change as we go forward.

866
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: All right, I want to keep this positive. I loved

867
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: Reuben Bain all season. Man. I watch that guy just

868
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: greek havoc on opponents and I had him, you know,

869
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 3: I liked him at two to my jets, and then

870
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: he gets to the combine and yeah, he has the

871
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: dinosaurs short arms or whatever they say.

872
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 8: And yeah, the t rex arms, Yeah, t red songs.

873
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: There you go. And if I think the number is

874
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: if he were drafted in the first round, he would

875
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: be the first guy.

876
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: With under thirty two inch arms drafted in.

877
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Speaker 3: There were some ridiculous and then you hear that, so

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Speaker 3: people drop Baane a little bit, but nobody's dropping him

879
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Speaker 3: catastrophically down to like the twenties. How did you handle

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Speaker 3: and navigate putting down eight at the Saints.

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Speaker 11: So I think that a lot of that too, is

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Speaker 11: a little bit similar to what we just said, Like

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Speaker 11: I think the scouts and Bain is polarizing with scouts

884
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Speaker 11: and in some of the teams. There are some teams,

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Speaker 11: and there were some teams even when he was ripping

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Speaker 11: in tear during the season, there were some teams that

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Speaker 11: saw him as a three tech and had him as

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Speaker 11: like a second round grated player, which is great, but

889
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Speaker 11: you say that, You're like, that's nuts, But they were like,

890
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Speaker 11: this guy's got extremely short arms and it's an outlier.

891
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Speaker 11: He has I believe, the third shortest arm measurement for

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Speaker 11: an edge since nineteen ninety nine at the combine, which.

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Speaker 8: That's crazy short.

894
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Speaker 11: However, when you watch him on tape, and I think

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Speaker 11: this is where most scouts end up landing on him,

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Speaker 11: when you watch him on tape, that most of his

897
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Speaker 11: reps are over in such a blank that the length

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Speaker 11: almost doesn't matter most of the time.

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Speaker 8: He's also so good against the run.

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Speaker 11: He's so violent with his hands and the burst and

901
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Speaker 11: everything else that and I think that he's definitely one

902
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Speaker 11: of these The tape speaks for itself. I think that

903
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Speaker 11: he's an outlier, and I think, but you have to

904
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Speaker 11: be willing to buy that, and it's a lot of

905
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Speaker 11: scouts don't love that outlier. That doesn't happen much. But

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Speaker 11: I do think he is one that you can make

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Speaker 11: that bank on, but not at number two or three,

908
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Speaker 11: you know, somewhere maybe towards the bottom of the top ten.

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Speaker 11: I also wouldn't be shocked if he slides even into

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Speaker 11: the top of the teams.

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Speaker 8: But I don't think people can overthink it. I think

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Speaker 8: he's a good player.

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Speaker 3: It's weird he did dominate, but then you're like, oh,

914
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Speaker 3: he's wrecking the acc Can he get through left tackles

915
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Speaker 3: in the league who are mountainous men like Williams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. My gut tells me he's gonna fall.

917
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Speaker 8: I think he might.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that sounds like popular.

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Speaker 8: His range could be all over. I don't know if that. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: but like I wouldn't disagree with you because.

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Speaker 4: He might be good to you at like twenty four.

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Speaker 8: Right, yes, right, there are because there are teams that

923
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Speaker 8: don't know. So yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, Nick Baumgardner The Athletic check out his

925
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Speaker 3: mock draft. Great stuff and the one of these years

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Speaker 3: podcasts Detroit Lions won't be next year obviously, but good luck, man,

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Speaker 3: thanks a lot for taking the time.

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Speaker 8: All right, thank you, yep, good.

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Speaker 3: Stuff on the NFL draft from Nick. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to make it sound like I'm bashing Rubin Bay, and

931
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Speaker 3: I like the kid. I watch them all season. I

932
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Speaker 3: wanted him at two and then the measurements come out

933
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Speaker 3: and you're like, well, you can't take him there because

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Speaker 3: he's left tackles are in the NFL, Rachel, they're a

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Speaker 3: six six three point fifty with long arms, and just

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Speaker 3: keep the guy at Bay.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, this is happening across sports right that as

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Speaker 10: the game evolves, size is more important than it really

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Speaker 10: ever has been.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's one of the Kyler Murray questions.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, for sure, I don't love calumber And in

942
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Speaker 3: college basketball, one of the big traits I'm betting on

943
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Speaker 3: offensive rebounding. YEP, teams that are crashing and grabbing boards

944
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Speaker 3: because they're huge, get more opportunities, more bai. Yeah, So

945
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Speaker 3: all right, first hour' done. In the books, we barely

946
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Speaker 3: talked about Lebron. He went thirteen for fourteen last night

947
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Speaker 3: with six dungus. As Rachel said, he's forty one years old. People,

948
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Speaker 3: Can you put some respect on his name? Please?

949
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Speaker 4: Can we call? Can I have goat noises? Can we

950
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Speaker 4: queue in goat.

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Speaker 3: Noises for Lebron?

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Speaker 4: Second hour coming up next