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Yeah, we don't got 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 5: time to that, all right, we don't have. 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: Yes, long story short, he got fired today. The team 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: will look to fund a new general manager after the draft, 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: which is puzzling timing. 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 6: And oh it was Tibbs. 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: TIBs got to contract summer and then he got fired 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 4: after they get to the bank. 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 7: You round, So, yes, yeah, it's been happening quite a 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 7: bit lately. 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: He got let go and there's a number of reasons 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: you could point to. He had a shoddy record when 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: it came to drafting. They're currently about fifty million dollars 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: over the salary cap heading into next season. 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 6: But a lot of people have pointed to one move in. 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 3: Particular and the fallout from that decision, as the reason 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: why Adolpho Mensa is no longer the GM of the 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 3: Vikings that would be trading up in the draft to 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: select JJ McCarthy tenth overall and subsequently not resigning Sam Darnold, 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: not resigning Daniel Jones, not even bringing in Aaron Rodgers. So, guys, 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: here's the question. Is it fair to say that JJ 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: McCarthy cost this man his job? 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I believe so, And I don't think it's JJ McCarthy solely. 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: I think it's the success of Daniel Jones until he 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: was injured, looking pretty good. 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: He was before he got hurt. He wasn't playing well. Actually, 40 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 4: it's all your opinion, man, Fine, gee, look at the number. 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: Look infinitely better than JJ McCarty. 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 6: No, I'm just saying he wasn't playing. 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 7: No, I'm not saying he was the return of Joe Montana. 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is he looks solid, and then Sam 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: Darnold is about to be in the super Bowl in 46 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: a matter of a weaker in a couple of days. 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 7: And I think that absolutely plays a role. 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: When you had a guy in your staple that you 49 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: could have had for some pennies on the dollar in 50 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: comparison to quarterbacks who have the same production as him, 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: and you went up and it was a risk before 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: we even had the Sam Darnald conversations, when we just 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: had the JJ conversation. You guys know, I kept saying 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: really like I wish well he went to Michigan, but 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: I just don't see it yet, Like what to jump up? 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 7: Second round? Late, second round? 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: Third, I get it, Okay, you're doing to jump up 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: to tenth No to there was a fifth round draft picks. 59 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 6: He's a first round draft pick according to you. 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 4: No, not according to you, according to no, according cord 61 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: to you, according. 62 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 7: And JJ McCarthy. 63 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 6: Now he's a fifth they traded. 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 7: Up for him. 65 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: So that for me, before we even knew if Sam 66 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Donald was going to become a good quarterback, I'm like, Okay, 67 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: that's strange to jump up that high. So now you 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: put your all your eggs in that basket. And so 69 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: when you look at what he's done as far as uh, 70 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: only three of the ten draftees they just had, the 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: folks they drafted actually ended up being starters. 72 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 7: You mentioned here fifty. 73 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: Million dollars over and most of that is on the 74 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. And again, you let Daniel 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: Jones go, you let more importantly, Sam Donald go, who 76 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: has now replicated what he did with you fourteen and 77 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: three and is now in a Super Bowl. And JJ 78 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: McCarthy struggled. Nobody's saying he's going to be the worst 79 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: quarterback ever. But when he doesn't look good eleven touchdowns, 80 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: twelve interceptions, uh, and is only fifty seven percent completion percentage. 81 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: That along with the success of Sam Donald, I think 82 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: will absolutely have them reconsider some things. And it's unfortunate obviously, 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: because if you're him, you're thinking you're. 84 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 7: In a great spot. You got a good team. 85 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: You know, we got a talent to contend, and really, 86 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: had you kept with Sam Donald, maybe you are having 87 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: a chance to contend. 88 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 7: So to me, it's unfortunate for him. 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: But if you look at decisions solely, we know how 90 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: important a quarterback position is. 91 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 7: This is what they decided to do. 92 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's bigger than that. 93 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: If you read some of the reports coming out of there, 94 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: there were issues going on inside the building, tensions between 95 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: different sides. Obviously, you know the Sam Donald jury. I 96 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: know everybody wants to crown them. I remember when everybody 97 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 4: crowned Chris Paul when he was up two to oh 98 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 4: in the NBA Finals and said he was the third 99 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: greatest guard who ever played. I haven't heard those conversations again, 100 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: because remember the Milwaukee won the next four games, and 101 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 4: Chris Paul didn't win a championship as everybody thought he would. 102 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 4: Sam Donald could still come out what the bet in 103 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 4: the biggest game of the year, and the conversation about 104 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: him will continue to be the same. 105 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 6: If he wins, then that narrative will stop. 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: But I'm not there yet, and I'm not ready to 107 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 4: crown anybody that they're automatically going to win the championship 108 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: and play great. 109 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 6: Is there a couple things here? 110 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 4: A lot of the drafting issues, not being able to 111 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 4: get Pro bowlers out of any of his like a 112 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 4: few of his draft picks. 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 6: He's at the bottom there. 114 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: You just talked about it, starters, You know, getting players. 115 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: Drafting is very important when you god, did you really 116 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 4: develop JJ McCarthy, and I mean as an organization, maybe 117 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: their idea of what they needed to do to get 118 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 4: him prepared and get him ready, or maybe he wasn't 119 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: ready yet and maybe you needed a bridge quarterback, you 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: know what I mean, to be able to bridge if 121 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 4: you really believed in him, and you have to say 122 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: they believed in him because he didn't. 123 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 6: Fall in their lap. 124 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 4: I was the last pick in the first round or 125 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: the first pick in the second round they draft, they 126 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 4: trade it up, so that was somebody they targeted, and 127 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: when that doesn't work out, the general manager is going 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 4: to get some some smoke for that, especially when you 129 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 4: feel like maybe you did not do all you needed 130 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: to do in the first year for him to have 131 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 4: more success. So I think it's a combination of a 132 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: lot of things, because again I don't think it's a 133 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: foregone conclusion that Sam Darneld his knock is not that 134 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 4: he can't play. 135 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 6: He doesn't play well. 136 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 4: It's the big games that people are worried about, and 137 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 4: so far he's played better this year. But I guarantee 138 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 4: you the general manager of the Vikings wouldn't have got 139 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: fired after watching the first half when they played the 140 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: Rams a few weeks ago and he had all the 141 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 4: picks and played terrible and they were down by sixteen 142 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. 143 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 6: I doubt that they were I doubt if it was 144 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 6: based off. 145 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: That I'm just saying, like underselling the idea that I'm 146 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: not underselling. 147 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 6: I just think that that I just think that's a. 148 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 7: Very tough division. 149 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: And they had a shot, right like meaning if they 150 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: came back and said even if he was eighty eighty 151 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: five percent. 152 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 6: Of one and they didn't believe in him after those games, I. 153 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 7: Mean, and that's the problem, I think. 154 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: Because they they moved up and they got a guy 155 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 4: that they thought that their coach, the quarterback whisperer, who 156 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: had a lot of success with a lot of different quarterbacks. 157 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 6: Could do the same thing. And it didn't work out. 158 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 6: That's it. 159 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: And I think now I get it, and we talked 160 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: about it that that's it's gonna be his that's his project, 161 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: you know. 162 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 6: But that's what the coach does. 163 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: That's why they felt like they rehabilitated Sam Donald, so 164 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: we can do this. This is what we do, you 165 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: know what I mean with quarterbacks will come through Minnesota. 166 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: That's what they felt that they could do. Uh, and 167 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: that's the reason. But I just I don't know. I'll 168 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: just ask you if Sam Donald lays an egg in 169 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl with the Vikings right and said, hey, 170 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: he can't win the big game, would. 171 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 6: That be the narrative? Would they be right to him 172 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 6: not signed them. 173 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: I still don't believe so, because I think you're back 174 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: to back fourteen and three seasons with two franchises across 175 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: the coast. 176 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 7: I think that's a massive tail tale. 177 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: Get four thousand yards two different teams is back to 178 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: back years is a massive tail played amazing. I'll played 179 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford in the NFC Championship game when they said 180 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: he couldn't and that was a team that is kryptonite. 181 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: He beat them in the last you know, fourth quarter 182 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: of the last game, comes back balls out this last game. 183 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: I think you're sitting there saying, dag, and you gotta 184 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta just tip your hat, wipe your hands 185 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: and say we missed, we got it wrong. 186 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 7: It happens in life. I don't think. 187 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: I don't think the Vikings will think that they got 188 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: it wrong. If Sam Donald lays an egg in the 189 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: super Bowl. That's all I'm saying to you. 190 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 7: There's no there's no in the super Bowl. 191 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 4: He was four fine, but there's still the idea he 192 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: for Sam Donald to clean the stink off of him, 193 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: he will have to win the super Bowl and play well. 194 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: That's what Sam Donald. 195 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 7: That is where we would grossly just so you. 196 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: Saying to me Donald, So if he has a bad 197 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 4: I'm just just listening to my hypothetical answer my question. 198 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 4: He has a bad game, they lose to the to 199 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 4: the to the Patriots, who haven't beaten anybody. But basically 200 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: all year he has a bad game, they lose. The 201 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: narrative about him will be what that Sam Donald's a 202 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,599 Speaker 4: great quarterback because he got to the super Bowl. 203 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I think so okay, because he was rolling instinct, rolling 204 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: in stink, we completely forgot about him. And for the 205 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: two last two years he has the most wins of 206 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: any quarterback fourteen wins with two different franchises. 207 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 7: Now he's in the super Bowl, and now. 208 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: Our expectation is, well, he got to the postseason, or 209 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: he got to NFC chair, but he didn't play well. 210 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: He got to the super Bowl. We don't have that 211 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: with many other quarterbacks. Justin Herbert ain't had a chance 212 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: to stink in the super Bowl. 213 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 6: At Lawrence, they had a chance in the super. 214 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 7: Bowl, Allen, they had a chance to sink in the 215 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 7: super Bowl. 216 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 4: No, but it ain't that. It's what his reputation is 217 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 4: and that is the reason why. That's the reason why 218 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 4: the super Bowl. 219 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: No. 220 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 4: But that's not the reason why nobody went after him. 221 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 4: That he got such a bad deal from the from 222 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 4: Seattle after fourteen and three with the Vikings. He should 223 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 4: have had an open mar You know me, teams kneed quarterbacks, 224 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. 225 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 6: But I think nobody else, nobody else wanted him. 226 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: That was one year and I think they went, well, 227 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: we should have jumped on that. 228 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 7: Should have jumped on that instead of Geno. We should 229 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 7: have jumped on that. 230 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: And to some other guys, that's a fair that's a 231 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: fair point after if they wanted to have a lot 232 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: of teams were apprehensive after a year. 233 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 7: That's fair. Right now we've seen them do it back 234 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 7: to back years. 235 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 236 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm 237 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: Eastern four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 238 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 239 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 8: Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben 240 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 8: Maller along with my trustee sidekick David Gaskon, with mean 241 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 8: a lot to have you joined us on our weekly 242 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 8: auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name is the 243 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 8: Fifth Hour? 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Listen to The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller 250 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 8: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get 251 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 8: your podcast. 252 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 3: Basically, what we found out is the Cleveland Browns have 253 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: the most decorated quarterback room in the. 254 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 6: Boy guys that wouldn't start, but they're all Pro Bowl. 255 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 6: They got all the Pro bowlers, that's right. 256 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: We found out today on Friday that Joe Flacco will 257 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: be receiving the first Pro Bowl nod in his eighteen 258 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: year NFL career. 259 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 6: He's very exciting. Susan Lucci. Now, even though Joe Flacco 260 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 6: was unhoping you're. 261 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: Impressed by the Susan Lucire I was, Okay, Jay, that 262 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: was a nice nice pool was underwhelming at best in Cleveland. 263 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: He did have a bit of a renaissance there in 264 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: Cincinnati when Joe Burrow was hurt, played very very well. 265 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: Uh completed sixty one percent of his past six sixteen 266 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: hundred yards, thirteen touchdowns, four picks. In fact, his QBR 267 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: was not too far behind Burrows when they both played 268 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. So, guys, long story short. 269 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 9: The Cleveland Browns man so many quarterbacks that no quarterbacks 270 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 9: will have one former quarterback in the Pro Bowl, and 271 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 9: Joe Flacco and one current quarterback should do Sanders in 272 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 9: the Pro Bowl. 273 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 6: And we should say this, it's a touch football game. 274 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: It ain't a real football game, Okay, So which is 275 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 4: embarrassing if I'm any of these guys. But I'm gonna 276 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 4: say this, especially if you're shoud Door Sanders Kelvin. 277 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 6: First of all, he should be embarrassed. 278 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: That he was picked for the Pro Bowl because what 279 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 4: was it, Rob g ten or twelve quarterbacks turned him 280 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: the league down not. 281 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 6: To be involved in the Pro Bowl. Okay, So that's 282 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 6: number one. 283 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 4: Anybody I think even the biggest Shoudoor Sanders fan would 284 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 4: admit he didn't have a Pro Bowl season. 285 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 6: Okay, can we he'd admit that. Everybody would say that. 286 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 4: But here's what I'm saying, Shador say should not and 287 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: ot participate. 288 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 6: In this fraudulent Pro Bowl. 289 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: He should boycott it, not be involved in Kelvin for 290 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 4: one simple reason. What's that Not because it's a fraudulent 291 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: event anyway, but because they're just using Chador Sanders. That's 292 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: why he got the nod. They're hoping against hope that 293 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: his involvement might get some eyeballs to it because he 294 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 4: has a following and people are so tied in the Shador. 295 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 4: He's being used as a trained seal. It's a dog 296 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: and pony show. I wouldn't want to be involved in that. 297 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: I'm dead serious. And look at all the other quarterbacks 298 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 4: who refuse to be involved. But I'm saying from Shador standpoint, 299 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 4: I would have said, thank you, I didn't play well 300 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: enough to be on the Pro Bowl. 301 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 6: I'm gonna make. 302 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 4: The Pro Bowl one day, and I'm gonna earn it 303 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: because I played well. But you're not gonna use my name, 304 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: image and likeness to try to sell this to fans. 305 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 6: And my fans to watch this. 306 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 4: That's what He's just being used. And I would not 307 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: want to be used in this vein. I would turn 308 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: it down. I would boycott it. I would not participate 309 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 4: in this Pro Bowl. 310 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: All right, what you're saying, I think the only example 311 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: or why I would say this precedent for this is 312 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley. We know he got in there six hundred 313 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: and fifty eight passing yards, two touchdowns, three hundred seven But. 314 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 6: Why did he get in there though nobody wanted to go? 315 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 6: But that right? 316 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: Right? 317 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is this has already happened. It's 318 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: not as if this is He's the first one. This 319 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: has happened before. Derek Carr has got like three or 320 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: four Pro Bowls, and you know he was eyed at 321 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: best a couple of times. 322 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 7: And so I get what you're saying. I just think if. 323 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm shudor where this gets Murky A couple of reasons. 324 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: One to answer your do it. I think you go, 325 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: and I think you'd be the star of it. I 326 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: think you have fun in the whatever passing tournament games 327 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: they have. And I think he's young at heck, he's 328 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, maybe years old. 329 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 7: Go have fun and go light it up, go smile. 330 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 6: How about. 331 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: It. 332 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't even know what. 333 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know if they actually throw past it, 334 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm dead, SERI, I don't know what they do. 335 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 7: I think it's like ping pong now and stuff, and like. 336 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: They play, they play what is a flag football game? 337 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 4: It's a flag football game. 338 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, go throw some flag football to me. I'm going 339 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: and I'm owning it. Kind of like how Shaq or 340 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: Dwight Howard or guys used to own the All Star Weekend, 341 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: not just a game. They would be funny, Shaq's dancing 342 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: with the job Milwaukees. He'd have a great game. He'd 343 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: be talking to you know, on the on the on 344 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: the microphone. Like I would go and just own the 345 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: weekend or the day. I'd go have fun, got my 346 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: whole team or coordinate, and I would go and soak 347 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: up the sun and just make a big thing of 348 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: it because it is. 349 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 7: It is bogus. 350 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: And the challenge with this robber wing forward is this 351 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: is partly how we identify guys greatness. Right, we go 352 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: me and you can argue about Eli Manning. But one 353 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: of the things we'll bring up he either had or 354 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: didn't have X amount of Pro bows. Matthew Stafford had 355 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: or didn't have enough Pro Bowls. Aaron Rodgers is Hall 356 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: of Favor because he has thirteen Pro Bowls and. 357 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 7: Whatever it is, and now it's. 358 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 6: Four MVP used to playing. 359 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: But I'm saying we used to say that, we would 360 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: say he's an eleven time pro bowler, one time. 361 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 6: MVP, way first ball. I just don't think it has 362 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 6: the same. 363 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm agreeing with you, but I'm saying, so now ten 364 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: years from now is gonna be weird when fifteen, like 365 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: you're describing someone, we're sitting down at a Hall of 366 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: Fame vote, you know, and you're going over the accolades, 367 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, all right, this guy's a five 368 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: times six time pro bowler, when half of them might 369 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: be BS. So I think they've made it really weird 370 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: now with how far they'll go with just getting anybody there, 371 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They've lowered it now worth shaudure. 372 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: Let's say he gets two on his own right place, 373 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: twelve years gets you, and then now he gets two 374 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: or three random bad ones like this now somebody's a 375 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: five six time Pro bowler. 376 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 7: They've ruined, they've taken that away when that used to 377 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 7: be one. 378 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Of the accolades you would go down when you're describing 379 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: someone's career. 380 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 4: I get that, but I'm just saying the only reason 381 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: that they reach for him, though, is they hope to 382 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 4: get some eyeballs. 383 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 6: I believe that, I really do. 384 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: Like the difference is the difference is with Rob G 385 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: when he gave you Joe Flacco's numbers actually were pretty good, 386 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean, Joe Joe Flacco was 387 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: were pretty good. Shador Sanders had an eighteen quarterback rating? 388 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 6: What was it, Rob G? 389 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 4: One of the lowest for any starting quarterback in the 390 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 4: history of the league. 391 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not being mean. This is what it is. 392 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: Do you see what I'm saying? 393 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 7: Like, no, I don't. There's literally there's no body on 394 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 7: earth we can disagree. 395 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Those are facts. You just literally gave the numbers. But again, 396 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: I look at Tyler Huntley again. But for the games 397 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: Schador did eight. At least Shador had fourteen hundred yards. 398 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: He had six fifty eight. Like, I don't know what 399 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: they've They've done this before with a couple other players, but. 400 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 6: The difference is who has the better profile. 401 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: If your schaedure, I'm saying I'm being used for my 402 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: for my stature and my h cloud. 403 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 6: Or whatever more so than right then in any other situation. 404 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 6: It was just we need a body. And that's how 405 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 6: he got on this. 406 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 7: Do you see what I'm saying? Well, he might, he 407 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 7: might serve both. 408 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: He might be a body and tower your point, he might, 409 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: And if i'm him, I some mutual use. It is 410 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: a look you know what, it's one of those services rendered. 411 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: You're using me and I'm using you for you know. 412 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 4: Just I think he makes a bigger statement to say 413 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 4: that I'm not No, this is fraudulent. I'm not going 414 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 4: to be a part of this. You're not going to 415 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 4: utilize me. I'm not a dog in Poe Show. I 416 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: didn't earn a spot. And I don't want to participate 417 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 4: in a flag football game. 418 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 6: I'm a football player. I don't I don't want to 419 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 6: do it. 420 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: And I just think you go, you take the honor 421 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: you're you're a rookie. I'm honored. I appreciate it. You go, 422 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: you show out, you have fun, you smile, you chop 423 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: it up with everybody, And to me, I just view 424 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: it as an opportunity, you know, and like like his father, 425 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: some great time marketing, you know what I mean. That's 426 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: that's how I look at it. Great, I have a 427 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: market I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna do as he 428 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: with Nike. I don't know if he's signed with anybody. 429 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: Let's go do some dope commercial, some dope great stuff 430 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: and have fun with it. But I totally get your point, 431 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: because I mean, it isn't uh you know, this isn't 432 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: Dan Marino in the Pro Bowl. And the Pro Bowl 433 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: has just become just so weak now and now it's 434 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: almost a dag there disrespect to be a Pro Bowl saying. 435 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 4: But I get it. I just don't feel good about it. 436 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 4: I just wouldn't want to be used in that way. 437 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 4: And that's what they're hoping. That's where that's where that 438 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: came from. It didn't feel like Joe Flacco first time, 439 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 4: look like he played eighteen years. 440 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 6: It couldn't be. It couldn't be a Pro Bowl, right 441 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 6: because it. 442 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 7: Used to be. 443 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 6: Think about that he won a Super Bowl, real deal 444 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 6: hard Yeah, like about that. Yeah, it's marble. 445 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: Now it's just not it just like uh, anybody, anybody, 446 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: It's like. 447 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 7: They're paying you to go. Now. 448 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: I used to be a privilege. Now that I please 449 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: will pay you to go just come to this pro bow. 450 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: So we could technically have a quarterback there, who can 451 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,479 Speaker 1: you know start for one of the teams. 452 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 453 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 454 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 455 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: listen live. 456 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, Derek Rose had his jersey retired in Chicago the 457 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: other and I had to win by the bail of 458 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 3: the bulls, so that was good for them on two fronts. 459 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 6: And obviously when you get. 460 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 3: Your jersey retire mortalized alongside Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen, the 461 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: next logical question, of course, is well, your jersey's up there, 462 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: you're getting a statue. 463 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 7: Now. 464 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: Here's Derek Rose addressing that narrative on Thursday. 465 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the jersey of the book statue's next right 466 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: right right outside, right right right where Jordan's is. 467 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 6: No, d Wade, I saw that statue. 468 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 7: I'm good. 469 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: No, come on, man, you need a statue out So 470 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: they say we want you build your statue. Won't say, Nope, 471 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: you can do the statue of a family cress, but 472 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't want no statue of myself. 473 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: I feel like that's idolizing. 474 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 7: In a way, and I want nobody to idolize it. 475 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 7: I tell you what, Man, I like his stance. 476 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if you're the Bulls and you want 477 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: to you want to make that statue, and so the 478 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: fans get forever, you know, memorialize him and love him 479 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: and all that. But I get I like what he says, saying, Man, 480 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: it's a little weird for me and idolizing and worshiping me. 481 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: And you know, we have statues in any sports and 482 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: the different arenas and stadiums around the country, so that's 483 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: just a part of sports. 484 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 7: But I get what he's saying there. 485 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: But on a larger conversation, Rob, this reminds me of 486 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, also in Chicago, when we had 487 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: this conversation about Kleb and you brought up which I 488 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: completely disagree with, but you're saying he's the most exciting 489 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: guy in sports. This kind of led to a conversation 490 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: Rob G and I were talking about Man. I don't 491 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: know if there's a Kobe Bryant, the late great Kobe 492 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: Bryant recipe aside, I don't know if there's someone who 493 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: meant more to a franchise in the last fifteen to 494 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: twenty years, especially considering he didn't win a championship, he 495 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: didn't have an NBA Finals run where he made it 496 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: two or three times even though they lost, and he 497 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: only really had you know, two or three peak seasons. 498 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: But I mean, my gosh, the city of Chicago adores him. Obviously, 499 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: born and raised there, went to college to Memphis, got 500 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: to the championship. They lost that, but you know, maybe 501 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: that helped him as far as they like saw a 502 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: local hero almost make it and win a championship in college. 503 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: Then he gets to the pros number one pick lands 504 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: back home in Chicago, and that's that gap. It's those 505 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: years where MJ retired to versus getting back to finally 506 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: having some relevancy, having a star you can latch onto. 507 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,239 Speaker 1: He happened to be from the city. He was just 508 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, he played hard. You never have to worry 509 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: about that. He was committed. And I've just been blown 510 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: away over the last ten years, how much the league, 511 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: how much the city Chicago, how much other players, I mean, 512 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: Derrick Rose is so beloved, and again it's even more 513 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: impressive from a guy who doesn't have five rings, four rings, 514 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: three rings, a single ring. 515 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 7: And it may be asked, like, maybe help me out here? 516 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: Is there another I mean Tom Brady obviously in the 517 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: New England area, maybe. 518 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 7: But. 519 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: Help me out in the NBA if you're specifically sticking 520 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: with the NBA, is there anybody who is more beloved? 521 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 6: I don't know how do you measure that? 522 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 4: Cauld you you like? I hear you say that. What's 523 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 4: your measure on that? Because I don't know what your 524 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: metrics are for you to say he's the most beloved 525 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 4: guy in the NBA. 526 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 6: And I'm dead serious. 527 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 4: I don't understand at all other than him being from Chicago. 528 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 4: What is your metrics? What do you what's your gage? 529 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 4: Do you spend time in Chicago? Anybody you meet from 530 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 4: Chicago tell you I love Derek Rose. 531 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 6: I don't know where you. 532 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 7: Get that from. Yes of those latter questions, Okay, I don't. 533 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 6: I don't get that I got in front of Chicago. 534 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 4: I don't know any I don't I've never heard anybody 535 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: go Derek Rose is my eye on my god, we 536 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: got to have a statue his numbers gotta be with 537 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 4: I've never heard that from anybody. 538 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 7: I'm actually shocked you never heard of it. 539 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: I've heard it from other players who who de Way Wade. 540 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 7: Talks about him the way Lebron James. 541 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 4: Is there a quote about Derek Rose should be to 542 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 4: have his number retired. 543 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Or somebody statue. I'm not saying they said make a 544 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: statue if that came up today. I'm talking about just 545 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: how much he's beloved and and and because you could 546 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: almost go to your your conversation of guys who get 547 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: their jersey retired, and I mean you just saw how 548 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: his teammates come back for him, the way they talk 549 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: about him, the way the all the announcers in that 550 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: area talk about him, the way the ownership talks about him. 551 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 7: I mean, it's just remarkable. 552 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: And pop culture wise, I'm just so impressed, Like, Wow, 553 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: this guy, for god, what's his pop culture? 554 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 6: Tell me what's his pop what is he famous for? 555 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 6: In pop culture? 556 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 7: He's mentioned in a gazillion I'm. 557 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 6: Just asking you that. I'm asking you. 558 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 7: So let me flip this. 559 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: Are you telling me you've never as much as I 560 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: hope you're assuming you've covered red scene on the NBA 561 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: over you to the X ten fifteen years of hit, 562 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: You've never seen all the response that people have him 563 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: with Eric Rose if he's never mentioned rob G. 564 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 7: Would you like to tell me I'm wrong here or now? 565 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: No, I'm just saying, for god, who's covered the league 566 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 4: since nineteen eighty seven, I Derek Rose is from Chicago, 567 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 4: won an MVP, and he looked like he was going 568 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 4: to have this stellar career, and unfortunately he was heard 569 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: and he never really derailed his career, derailed everything. And 570 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 4: that's that's not to say that people don't like him 571 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 4: or they they're they're fond of him. 572 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 6: He's from Chicago. I get all that. I'm not I'm 573 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 6: not disputing that. I just don't. I'm trying. 574 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: I'm disputing where your meter is that you're telling me 575 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 4: he's like the most beloved player other than Kobe. 576 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 6: I just like I'm saying, Kobe won championships. 577 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 4: In Los Angeles, right, and I don't see how he 578 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: could be on the same level as a Kobe Bryant. 579 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 6: I'm that serious. I don't. 580 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: That's why I literally said, aside from the late great Kobe, 581 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: because Kobe is a whole other beast. 582 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 6: That was a hard because Kobe, because he won. 583 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 4: It's like a big deal when you won, people do 584 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 4: attach themselves to you because you bring them the greatest 585 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: moments in their life as a sports fan. And that's 586 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 4: what I think is missing today, what people don't understand 587 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 4: and the reason why you at Monument Park at Yankee 588 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: Stadium and while you have people got statues Tom Seavers 589 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: statutes in front of city Field because those guys gave 590 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: you memories and feelings that you had and help your 591 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 4: team get to that situation or that promised land or 592 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: whatever it may be. And I think that that has 593 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 4: been changed of late, where what's his name, Tony Allen 594 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 4: is getting his number retired and he never made an 595 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 4: All Star team and down in Charlotte. 596 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 6: Del Curry is I get it. 597 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 4: He's on the broadcast for fifteen years and he had 598 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 4: a he was a sixth Man of the Year maybe 599 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 4: one year, never an All Star. And it doesn't mean 600 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: that you can't like these guys and you want to 601 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: hold them close and be a part of your organization 602 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 4: and stuff. I just I think it's supposed to be 603 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: something very very special for a few. And when I 604 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 4: look at the Bulls going into that, I mean Horace 605 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 4: Grant and other people their numbers not retired. 606 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 6: Why Horace Grant was a big part of it? 607 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: Was he Scottie Pippen? 608 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 6: Was he Michael Jordan? 609 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: No? 610 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 4: But well his number nine not retired there? I mean 611 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: Steve Kerr his numbers shouldn't be retired, but he may 612 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 4: have more shots for the bulls. Did Derek Rose ever 613 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 4: hit I'm serious? 614 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean Steve Kerr is not. I'll give 615 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 7: you Horace Grant a little more much. 616 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: My point is Steve Curry made some shots I gave 617 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: you he made. I'm not gonna argue Horse Gray like, 618 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: because I don't think it has to be like, why 619 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: isn't Horse Grey is there's some beef, you know what 620 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: I mean? 621 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 7: I know he left there, went to Orlando. 622 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: Maybe there's some some some few within the organization. 623 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,239 Speaker 7: I don't know. 624 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: But Derreck Rose I was just simply saying that it's 625 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: amazing how much love he has because we know plenty 626 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: of players who were. 627 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 7: Really good in in in their injury, Brandon Roy being won. 628 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, Grant Hill never got the full full example, 629 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, full. 630 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 7: Breadth of his career. 631 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: Obviously he was a long career, but there's plenty of 632 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: guys who've been nicked up, banged, we didn't get the 633 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: best of and Derrick Rose. It's just been remarkable to 634 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: see how that city has loved embraced him, uh through 635 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: it all. And and considering that what makes it even 636 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: more an exceptional story to me, considering he has he 637 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: didn't win, he didn't have two rings, three rings, and 638 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: just just gave it as all his heart and just 639 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: kept trying to fight through injury after injury and could 640 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 1: not get past it. And they they just love him, 641 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: and they took the tune of rewarding and you just 642 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: saw the outpour uh And I was just blown away 643 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: by that. And I was just thinking, like, man, this 644 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: guy is so beloved even by his peers, not just 645 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: even Chicago, it's peers. Anytime I hear an NBA player 646 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: talk about him, they just aw man, he Rose, Man, 647 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: Derrick Rose. So it was it was it was awesome 648 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: to see him get that love and uh, and how 649 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: much he's revered despite and in spite of it all. 650 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm from the old school. 651 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 4: I just think like it should be a handful of people, 652 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 4: just just like the Hall of Fame, all these things 653 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 4: I think we have just there's no standard. There's just 654 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 4: no standard anymore. And so when when an organization or 655 00:29:52,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 4: somebody sees Tony Allen getting get the jersey retired, that 656 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 4: means there's there's a lot of players who are way 657 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: better than Tony Allen. 658 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 6: Do you know what I'm saying? Like for teams, that 659 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 6: makes the difference. We just opened it up. 660 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 7: Talk about that. 661 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: The only difference we you and I have with that 662 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: because I get the sentiment I get, but I think 663 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: I don't look at the broad like if this were 664 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: the NBA, right, that's why you have the Hall of 665 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: Fame or a Basketball Hall of Fame, or if you 666 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: have NBA's Top seventy five. Ever, those are more these 667 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: elite of the elite. When teams put people in the rafter. 668 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: It's what you said, this person reminds us that fan 669 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: base strictly that fan base, not me or you, because 670 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: it's only for that fan base of a run that 671 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: we had, or an era that we had, or a 672 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: time that we had. And Tony Allen was the face 673 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: of that grit and grind defense. He was he was 674 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: the one who started that, So I get what you're saying. 675 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: Tony Allen was not an All Star, this amazing player, 676 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: but for Memphis for a handful of years when they 677 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: were good, probably the best run they ever had, he 678 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: was the face of the grit and grind, so I 679 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: could see why for them, for the peak of our 680 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: legacy thus far, he was one of the faces of 681 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: that team. 682 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 7: So that's where we difference. 683 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 6: I don't see that at all. 684 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: You can have him a part of your organization if 685 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 4: you want him around or something else, but a number 686 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: like a number of. 687 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: NBA, but an NBA league wise, this is just Hey, 688 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: for our little corner of the world in Memphis, we 689 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: haven't had much. 690 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 7: We had a grit and grind. 691 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 4: I just don't I don't think that that's the way 692 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 4: you should operate because you never dumb me down. 693 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 6: And I'm not saying Tony Allen. I'm talking about. 694 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 4: The idea that the best of the best, and if 695 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: our day hasn't come yet to where our guys gonna 696 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: go and play and get us a championship or whatever 697 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 4: it may be, that's the guy I want to celebrate 698 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: and have fans remember. That's all and it's no disrespect 699 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: to what he did. It's just once you put Tony 700 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 4: Allen in like, there's all kind of the same thing. 701 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 6: Del Curry. 702 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 7: I don't know. 703 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 6: Can you look it up? 704 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 4: Rob G Numbers retired, and Grandmama and all these other players, 705 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 4: Alonzo Morning, you know what I mean. 706 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 6: They're not better. They're not better than Del Curry. 707 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 7: I think I don't cry. Anybody knows man for man. 708 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 7: But again, I think the big thing is for Charlotte 709 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 7: fan base. He's mister hornet. That's how they view him. 710 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 7: You and I don't. We look at oh Alonza Morning 711 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 7: and Muggy Bow. 712 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: Charlotte fan base look at Del Curry as mister hornet. 713 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 7: And sometimes that's why I say it. 714 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: Within your own crooked nook and cranny of the world, 715 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: your own little corner, that's great for your fan base. 716 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: You don't have to appease Calvin Washington or Rob Parker 717 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: or Rob G. That's there for their fan base.