1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: podcast network. This is the place to be if you're 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: ready for the best podcasts of the paranormal, curious, and 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: sometimes unexplained. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: Now listen to this. 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 3: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host are thoughts 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: and opinions only and do not necessarily reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to do the proper 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 3: amount of research yourself, depending on the subject matter and 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: your needs. 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 4: Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 4: been on a journey to prove the existence of life 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 4: after death. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 4: now know that our loved ones have survived physical debt, 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. 17 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 4: Do you watch Shark Tank? Mom? And I love seeing 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: the entrepreneurs going into the tank and pitching their products 19 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: to the sharks. Well. I was surprised that one of 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 4: the ladies we've seen on TV went from Shark Tank 21 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: to being able to see deceased children her name is 22 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: Kirsten Halfcock, and I had a conversation with her this 23 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: past week. 24 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: Honestly, I used to think that being on Shark Tank 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 2: was going to be the most interesting thing about my life, 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: and it turns out it's not. To back up, I 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: grew up in Ohio. My parents were teachers. My dad 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: was a football coach, and moved out to California, married 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: two children, ended up working in corporate America, mostly in 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: the TV industry. So I work for A and E 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: and the History Channel. And then once our youngest daughter 32 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: was I think she was around one, I didn't want 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: to go back to work full time. I wanted to 34 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: still make that income, but try and do something from home. 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: Now I know it's intuition. Then I thought, this is crazy. 36 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: Why am I thinking I can build furniture and I 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: have no experience with this, And I thought I'll give 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: it a try. My dad used to build furniture in 39 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: our house, so I'll try it. So I built furniture, 40 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: specifically kid stuff, and I like the mid century modern style. 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: So I started building that type of toy box back 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven. At that point, I just thought, gosh, 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: this is going to help pay the bills, like I 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: can pay the gas bill with this right, And it 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: exploded in a way that I never thought would happen. 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, I'm starting to get orders 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: from New York, from celebrities, from England, from all over 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: the place. Within four years, it was at the point 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: where I needed manufacturing help, which is what led me 50 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: to Shark Tank, because at that point I thought, I 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: can't there's no way I can do anything about this. 52 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: Just doing all this myself in the garage, I'm so overwhelmed. 53 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: So I applied to Shark Tank. So once I got 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: on Shark Tank, I ended up getting two offers, And 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: there's a whole journey and a whole section of that 56 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: in my book where I talk about all of that. 57 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: But it was actually one of the best things I've 58 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 2: ever done because it taught me to trust my intuition 59 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: more so than I'd ever done. And I was thirty four, 60 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: I believe at the time when all that happened. You know, 61 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: I lived a good chunk of life without really knowing 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: a what intuition was, how to trust it. I knew nothing. 63 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: I get into the Shark Tank years and I'm like 64 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: this is great. I did it. I've expanded, I'm partnering internationally, 65 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: I've got a manufacturer, and I thought, okay, this is awesome, 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: pinnacle of everything. And then of course I shouldn't have 67 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: thought that, because then everything goes down. Now from there, 68 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: it's a story that is unbelievable, and I didn't believe 69 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: it myself, to be honest with you. My first reaction, 70 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: I'm in the garage and building furniture. I'm hearing mom 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: or I would see a figure walk across the garage 72 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: like a small figure. What were my kids? 73 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: Wait there at school? Okay, what am I seeing? So 75 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: as that started to ramp up, I started to think, 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: this is the polyurrathane that I've been breathing. This is crazy. 77 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm very grounded person from Ohio who always trusted all 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: the science data and empirical research. So none of it 79 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: made similar to your journey, which is it wasn't something 80 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: that I was prepared for. And I really did think 81 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 2: I was going crazy, and thankfully the other side started small. 82 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: I guess I would say with me. I was reading 83 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: Facebook one night and I remember seeing a message about 84 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: two I would say, kids, They're not kids. They were 85 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: parents at the time, but I went to school with 86 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: them and they were a couple years older. I didn't 87 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: know them very well, and I ended up reading about 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: the loss of their son who had passed away. First 89 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: of all, I didn't even know they had a son, 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: that's how not close we were. So I am reading 91 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: this Facebook post and all of a sudden, I can 92 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: feel him next to me. I had been finally coming 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: to grips with this and understanding that this was real, 94 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: talking to a few people that were kind of woo woo, 95 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: quote unquote. In my mind, that was at least the 96 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: basis of the foundation for me before I got this 97 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: message from Nate. He is such a force, and I 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: remember thinking, Okay, if this is real, then I'll just 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: write down what he's saying, because he was asking me 100 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: to reach out to his parents. Could you see him 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: or I could see him? Yes, I could see him, 102 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: I could feel him, I could hear him. And it 103 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: was really strange because how Claire has come in typically 104 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: one at a time, and that's how it started for me. 105 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: I would smell things like I would smell smoke, and 106 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: I would think, nobody's smoking. Why am I smelling smoke? 107 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: Not recognizing it was my grandfather. So the claars all 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: came in, but they came in so quickly that by 109 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: the time Nate got to me, which was a couple 110 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: of months in, it was all at once. Yeah, it 111 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: was nuts. So he was telling me that I needed 112 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: to share information with his family, and I said, okay, 113 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: I'll write it down. And then after that, I kept 114 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: looking around, like where did he go? And I thought, 115 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: I'm just going to put it away for a minute, 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: because first of all, I don't want to reach out 117 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: to grieving parents. I don't want to hurt them. I 118 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: was a parent myself, like, I don't want to hurt them. 119 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to be the crazy woman from Defiance, Ohio. 120 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't want this to reflect badly on my parents 121 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: who still lived in Defiance, Ohio. And so I put 122 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: it away and I went back out into the garage 123 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: a couple days later, and I was working on the 124 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: toy box that I had built, about to ship it out, 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: and I had this overwhelming calm. It was almost like 126 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: I didn't hear it, but I felt like, it's time, 127 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: it's time, It's okay. And so I had that of okay, 128 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: I'll try. So I reached out to them on messenger 129 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: in Facebook and said, I don't know if you remember me, 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: and my dad was a football coach. They still live 131 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: in town. They're normal people. They're saying, I promise, I'm saying, 132 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: but I feel like I've communicated with your son on 133 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: the other side, and he really wants me to pass 134 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 2: these messages. I was very grateful because his mom was 135 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: already believing that he was on the other side. She 136 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: was already recognizing signs. His dad was not at that point, 137 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: so he was very skeptical. Ended up passing that message 138 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: and even went over to their house when I went 139 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: home to visit my family. That's been twelve years ago, 140 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: I think, so I still passed messages to them, to 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: Denise and John, and they came to my book launch 142 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: and they've just been like amazing friends because the way 143 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: I look at it, they helped me, and he helped 144 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: me as much as I helped them. But I sat 145 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: with them. I sat with their youngest son, who was 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: their only living son now, and I remember sharing messages 147 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: for about an hour and I did that privately. Whatever 148 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: it was that I shared came to be, and so 149 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: at that point he said, thank you, this is such 150 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: a gift. I didn't know they were struggling. I didn't 151 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: know what they were dealing with at the time, but 152 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: it really changed their lives. It brought them all back 153 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: together again as a family. And yeah, it was just 154 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: it's incredible. Right then and there, I was like, Okay, 155 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm sold. I can do this. It's scary, but I 156 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: can do this because it gave them such hope. 157 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: That's the whole point of all of it. So then 158 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: what happened. 159 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: More kids started coming in were kids, Yes, more kids 160 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: started coming in, kids that I had some sort of 161 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: connection to. There was a child that came in who 162 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: was related to a dear friend of mine from childhood. 163 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: I would go stay at their house and hang out 164 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: with them and their kids, and we were family, really 165 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: close family friends. I remember when I would go to 166 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: her house, my toes would be pulled on at night 167 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: when I was sleeping, the room was really cold. There 168 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: was just all this stuff happening all around the same time. Thankfully, 169 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: she didn't think I was nuts, which a lot of 170 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: people in my circle were saying, this is crazy, but 171 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 2: she didn't. There was a little girl who had been 172 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: abducted and murdered by a pediflowering that was trying to 173 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: get my attention, and there was a connection in that 174 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: area and that's how she found me. That freaked me 175 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: out because now I'm thinking, what do I do? Am 176 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: I really supposed to reach out? I reached out to 177 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 2: the mom of the child, and the mom basically said, 178 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: thank you. What you're telling me is what happened, even 179 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: though the public reports say otherwise. So she knew that 180 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: I was really getting the information from the other side. 181 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: And then I was able to reach out to other 182 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: detectives because as we know, it's a ring. When these 183 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: rings are pretty prevalent unfortunately internationally, and they're intertwined, and 184 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: so I started to just form relationships with different cops 185 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: around the country. The first thing I would say is, Hi, 186 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: I'm curious, din I'm a CEO of a furniture company. 187 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: I would try it and make it as clear as 188 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 2: possible that I wasn't somebody who was trying to do anything, 189 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 2: but sheer information that could be helpful. 190 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: Sometimes in these cases, they're out of clues, right and 191 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 4: to be able to get one. Let's see what you 192 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 4: have to say, lady. 193 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and that's what ended up happening with one 194 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: of my closest partnerships. His name's Mark Pouchi. He wrote 195 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: the forward from my book. He is a retired NYPD 196 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: detective and he and I actually just co founded a 197 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: nonprofit two years ago called the National Institute for Law 198 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: and Justice, and we help families who's loved ones have 199 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: been murdered or are missing. But with him, he said 200 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 2: he had worked with other psychics before, he was already 201 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: okay with it, but also very intuitive himself. That partnership 202 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: came through another case. It was organized crime murder that 203 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: happened in New York, and I happened to be connected 204 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: to someone related to the person who had gone missing. 205 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: Mark had agreed, as a private detective who was retired, 206 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: that he was going to also volunteer on this case 207 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: from a different angle, and found out that I was 208 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: willing to also work on it. So we connected over 209 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: the phone. I shared information I was getting from the 210 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: man on the other side because I knew he was deceased, 211 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: and he said, okay, we'll see what else you can 212 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: get and then let's meet back up again. And I 213 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: happened to have been in New York This was twenty fourteen, 214 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: and so we met up at a diner and I 215 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: took my little folder and he had his folder, and 216 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: we sat down and they matched and it was information 217 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: that I couldn't have known only from the man in spirit, 218 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: and it matched everything that he had been investigating boots 219 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: on the ground. So it was at that point I 220 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: think that our partnership was solidified. And then I just 221 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: continued to help him on cases he was working on 222 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: as well, until we found it the nonprofit together. 223 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: Kirsten Halfcock is the author of Little Voices, a book 224 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: that you might enjoy, and she still keeps making furniture 225 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: and helping these spirits get to their loved ones. If 226 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 4: you want to hear the full conversation I had with Kirston, 227 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: you'll find it at we dootdie dot com. When we 228 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: come back from the break, I'd like to introduce you 229 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 4: to a young man who had a very different kind 230 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: of near death experience and now is passionately helping people 231 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 4: get over resentment and learning about forgiveness. We'll be right back. 232 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 4: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 233 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 234 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming 235 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: right up. 236 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm George Norie. Thank you for listening to the iHeartRadio 237 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 238 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 5: Hey everyone, it's producer Tom of Coast to Coast AM 239 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 5: and more. Sandras starts right now. 240 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Next, 241 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 4: I'd like to introduce you to a young man who 242 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: has had a very different kind of near death experience oriience. 243 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: This is coach Brandon Densmore. 244 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 6: I live in Union, Mean and have been here for 245 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 6: a few years. Bought a house here, married to a 246 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 6: beautiful woman named Mary Marcel, and we have a one 247 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 6: year old baby. 248 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: Congratulations on all that. 249 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a certified spiritual coach and I work here 250 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 6: from my home helping people. I love what I do 251 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 6: and wasn't always the case. Let's go into what happened basically. 252 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 6: Back in twenty fourteen, I passed away from a heroin overdose. 253 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 6: When I was eight years old, I was sexually molested. 254 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 6: I guess I should have said trigger warning. Yeah, I 255 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 6: was sexually molested at eight years old, and that really 256 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 6: made me question myself and the world. Up until that point, 257 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 6: I'd lived in a safe world. But at eight years old, 258 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 6: I realized that not everybody has your best intentions at heart, 259 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 6: and that's a lot to process for an eight year 260 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 6: old kid. So I went to school. I hated school. 261 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 6: I was made fun of, and it might have been 262 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 6: because I was different. I didn't celebrate any holidays or 263 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 6: participate in any extracurricular activities because I was raised as 264 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 6: a Jehovah's witness. They have certain spiritual beliefs that are like, 265 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 6: pretty way outside the mainstream. The religion taught me a 266 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 6: lot of good morals, and I have a lot of 267 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 6: respect for Jehovah's witnesses, but it did make me stand 268 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 6: out as different, and maybe that made me an easy 269 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 6: target for bullies. So I went to school. 270 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 5: Hated it. 271 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 6: Diagnosed with Crohn's disease and sacrili aspondolitis when I was 272 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 6: thirteen or fourteen and was put on opiate painkillers. Over time, 273 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 6: like I would take these things and it would treat 274 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 6: my pain. The Crone's disease, I don't know how many 275 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 6: people know, but it's arthritis of the intestine, so it's 276 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 6: pretty painful, So it would treat my pain, but it 277 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 6: would also treat my emotional pain, and maybe that's why 278 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 6: it was so addictive. I think that's why it was. 279 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 6: It made me feel comfortable in my own skin, more 280 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 6: self confident, and I wasn't feeling those painful emotions of 281 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 6: the effects of the sexual abuse and being made fun of. 282 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 6: I was able to help me deal with those emotions. 283 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 6: So I was diagnosed with those diseases, got hooked on painkillers, 284 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 6: and lived that way for most of my life. I 285 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 6: dropped out of school in the ninth grade and was 286 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 6: headed down a really dark road. Then I was in 287 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 6: a fight when I was twenty one. I guess you 288 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 6: could say that was my first near death experience. I 289 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 6: was beat to within an inch of my life. This guy, 290 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: he was a third degree black belt. We'd been drinking 291 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 6: and ended up getting in a fight with this guy 292 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 6: and he was wearing steeled toed boots and he kicked 293 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 6: me three times in the head. And I went to 294 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 6: the doctor the next day and he said, if that 295 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 6: guy had put three more pounds of pressure behind that 296 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 6: last kick, his boot would have gone directly into your 297 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 6: brain and you would be dead. So well, at age 298 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 6: twenty one, I was questioning the possibility of my own 299 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 6: non existence. I guess you could say at that time, 300 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 6: I just experienced a complete blackout, the absence of everything, nothingness, 301 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 6: and yet there was still a consciousness there to observe 302 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 6: the nothingness. I didn't have a trip to heaven or 303 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 6: Hell or all of these amazing experiences that people have 304 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 6: at that time. I just experienced a total blackout. Afterwards 305 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 6: that made me question my identity. Up to that point, 306 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 6: I believed that I was stupid. I was going nowhere 307 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 6: in life and basically it wasn't going to amount to anything. 308 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 6: And then I was in that fight. I started like 309 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 6: reading and listening to audiobooks about self development and spirituality 310 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 6: and things like that. Long story shore. I went back 311 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 6: to school, got my ged and then went to a 312 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 6: community college, graduated from there, and ended up going into 313 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 6: a summer program called Exploring Transfer where I want a 314 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 6: full scholarship to go to Bassar College. Graduated from there 315 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 6: with a philosophy degree. But what people didn't know was 316 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 6: that while I was in this school, this prestigious school, 317 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 6: and throughout this whole educational journey, I was addicted to painkillers. 318 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 6: This whole time. Graduate from Vassar, then I'm back. I'm 319 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 6: living in a little apartment in Winthrop, Maine, and outside 320 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 6: of my apartment, I'm at my mom's place. I'd been 321 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 6: in withdrawals for days without the medication. It's been three 322 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 6: days since I've had any opiates, and really, like only 323 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 6: people that have been dependent on opiates can really understand 324 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 6: what it feels like to be going through withdrawals. I 325 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 6: would go through this cycle of running out of my 326 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 6: medication early because I would take just a little bit 327 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 6: more than I was supposed to, and then my prescription 328 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 6: would run out early and I'd be in withdrawals. And 329 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 6: that's one way at school I was introduced to the heroin. 330 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 6: I was at a party and withdrawals and somebody brought 331 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 6: it out. So I'm waiting for this guy to show 332 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 6: up because I can't get my prescription for another few 333 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 6: days and I can't function. My mind is totally full 334 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 6: of anxiety. I'm thinking about every problem in my life, 335 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 6: and every problem is just screaming at the top of 336 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 6: my lungs in my mind, uncontrollable, one problem after another 337 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 6: in my mind after another. I'm not happy with my life. 338 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 6: I'm not happy with who I am, how I feel, 339 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 6: what's happened in the past, and it's all there and 340 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 6: it's all raw, and I'm looking at the clock. Is 341 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 6: this guy ever going to show up? The minute? Just 342 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 6: clicking on the clock, click click, click, every second feels 343 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 6: like an eternity waiting for this guy to show up. 344 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 6: Finally he gets there, and like I'm crawling out of 345 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 6: my skin, and he brings the stuff he leaves so 346 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 6: I do some of it, and finally the nightmare is over. 347 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 6: Finally I can just breathe, relax, collect my thoughts, and 348 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 6: function normally. All of those thoughts just evaporated and felt 349 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 6: really good. After a couple minutes, that pleasure and relief ended, 350 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 6: and I realized that I was passing away. My breathing 351 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 6: was slow, and things are getting darker and darker, and 352 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 6: then bam, I'm outside of my body. I was shown 353 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 6: two things in this near death experience, but you could 354 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 6: say that I saw the future. Was shown the future. 355 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 6: I saw all of the people that were affected by 356 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 6: my death, and it was like the Halo deck from 357 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 6: Star Trek that's like a computer simulation where it's this 358 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 6: super advanced hologram where you can tell the computer, hey, 359 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 6: I want to stand on the moon, and all of 360 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 6: a sudden, all of your surroundings change and there you 361 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 6: are on the moon. Or you can be shown any 362 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 6: person that you want, any situation that you want, any 363 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 6: place that you want. In this star trek Holidack, I 364 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 6: was shown image after image, three dimensional like I'm there. 365 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 6: I was shown all the people that were affected by 366 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 6: my death, and I was shown a future reality where 367 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 6: I didn't exist. It was like, this is what your 368 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 6: life could have been if you hadn't died. And I 369 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 6: was shown image after image. The one that really stands 370 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 6: out is my mother. I was shown how my mother 371 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 6: found my dead body on her couch, and I could 372 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 6: feel her feelings, the grief that it was just soul 373 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 6: crushing grief. I remember. I was shown that she came 374 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 6: into her apartment and there I was on her couch, discolored, 375 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: puss running out of my mouth, and she started screaming 376 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 6: my baby. Oh no, my god, Oh my god, no, 377 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 6: my baby, my little baby boy, my baby boy, no, 378 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 6: my god, my baby. Pain was just overwhelming. Then I 379 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 6: was shown my funeral, all the friends and the family 380 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 6: that were affected, and all of the grief, and then 381 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 6: the future reality that I would never experience, the woman 382 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 6: I would never marry, the children I would never have, 383 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 6: the joyful experiences that would never exist, all of the 384 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 6: people that I could have helped, all of the potential 385 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 6: that I was wasted, and then boom, I'm back in 386 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 6: my body and gasping for breath. But before I was 387 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 6: back in my body gasping for breath, I came back 388 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 6: into the room after being shown all these images, and 389 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 6: I heard a voice say, now your life is over 390 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 6: and you wasted it. And then I begged not to die, 391 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 6: that I would do whatever was necessary to make it 392 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 6: so that this reality doesn't happen, so that I don't die. 393 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 6: I need another chance. Please don't let me die. And 394 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 6: then bam them back in my body gasping for breath. 395 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 6: So that's what happened. 396 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: Thank you first of all for sharing that with us. 397 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 4: It's not easy to share some parts of our past, 398 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 4: but every single human being deals with something, and they 399 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: might show just the smiley faces on social media and 400 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 4: all that, but we're all dealing with something. When you 401 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 4: had that out of body experience and you were shown 402 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 4: all that, first of all, how incredible to actually feel 403 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 4: your mother's pain and feel it from her perspective. What 404 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: a wake up call that is to see the impact 405 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 4: that you have on others, that your life does. But 406 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: the memory of it and how clear you saw it 407 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 4: was it just as clear as we're living life now. 408 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 4: How easy is it for you to recall? Does it 409 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 4: stay fresh as a memory because it's almost ten years ago? 410 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: Tell us about that. 411 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 6: When it happened, it was as if it was real, 412 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 6: like flesh and blood. But I was like a spectator 413 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 6: on the side watching everything being taken from image to image, 414 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 6: from scene to scene and just being shown, and it 415 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 6: was just as clear as day, like it was real. 416 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 6: I still remember the image of my mother finding my 417 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 6: body crystal clarity. But as time has gone on, it 418 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 6: has become less vivid, like any memory does. But at 419 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 6: the time it was very real. 420 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 4: I asked that because it's just common with near death 421 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 4: experiences to have it so real, more so real did 422 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: any memory or any dream we have, So it just 423 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 4: wanted to point out that it carries that same characteristic. 424 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: So what happened then, because clearly you're still going to 425 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 4: have that addiction, And how did you become who you 426 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 4: are today? Because any kind of addiction, whatever it is, 427 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: I know there's dopamine receptors in our system that are 428 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 4: craving for whatever it is, and it's. 429 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: Not so so easy. 430 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 4: Is just saying, oh, I'm not going to do it 431 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 4: today when everything in your system is crying out for that. 432 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: So what was it like coming back? 433 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 6: I think that might be why I was shown. The 434 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 6: things that I was shown was to give me the 435 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 6: strength to be able to push through the darkness and 436 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 6: to move past into the light because it was very difficult. 437 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 6: But I couldn't let myself die. I couldn't let my 438 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 6: mother find my body. I couldn't let all of those 439 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 6: people be affected, and I couldn't waste my life. Before 440 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 6: I returned back into my body, I told the presence 441 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 6: that was there that I was willing to do anything 442 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 6: to have another chance. 443 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: This is a good time to take our break, and 444 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 4: then we'll be back with more words from Brandon Densmore. 445 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio 446 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. 447 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. 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Shades of the Afterlife with Sander Champlain. 459 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 460 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 4: and we're listening to Brandon Densmore tell his story of 461 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: his near death experience, one in which he overdosed from 462 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 4: heroin and witnessed what his life would have been like 463 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 4: had he survived. 464 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 6: Before I returned back into my body, I told the 465 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 6: presence that was there that I was willing to do 466 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 6: anything to have another chance. Immediately when I was back 467 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 6: in my body, gasping for breath, I went into a 468 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 6: seven day detalks and basically, like you said, with the 469 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 6: dopamine receptors, my brain wasn't working. I basically had to 470 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 6: learn how to tie my shoelaces again, that's how bad 471 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 6: it was. I couldn't even tie my shoelaces because I 472 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 6: had been on opiates for over a decade. So anyways, 473 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 6: went to detox seven day t talks, then went to 474 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 6: intensive outpatient services, so somewhere you go every day to 475 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: talk about the disease of addiction and different strategies for 476 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 6: not returning to the old behavior. And then I was 477 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 6: introduced to Alcoholics Anonymous and went through the twelves steps 478 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 6: of AA even though I wasn't an alcoholic, but I 479 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 6: still worked those steps to the very best of my ability. 480 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 6: Like I went all in because I was desperate. I 481 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 6: needed to find another way to live. Did that and 482 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 6: had to confront all of these inner demons, resentments, fears 483 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 6: that I had, etc. Etc. I had to deal with 484 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 6: that molestation that happened when I was eight years old 485 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 6: and other things bullying. So I went through a spiritual 486 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 6: refinement process. Long story short, I went from having false friends, 487 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 6: living in a crappy little apartment, no money in the bank, 488 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 6: just low self esteem, self confidence issues, to someone who 489 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 6: owns their own business, who purchased a house, married the 490 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 6: love of their life, has a baby, surrounded by real friends, 491 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 6: just on and on. I have a garden. My life 492 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 6: is happy, and it took a while I had to 493 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 6: go through that spiritual refinement process. But now I'm in 494 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 6: a position where I'm here and I'm able to really 495 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 6: serve people, and it's an honor and a privilege to 496 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 6: have had this experience. I've been able to take that 497 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,239 Speaker 6: addiction and turn it into my most powerful asset. So 498 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 6: for the listeners out there, if you have addictions or 499 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 6: things that you've gone through that you're struggling with, these 500 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 6: things can become defining moments in our lives, and we 501 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 6: can use them as a kind of rocket fuel really 502 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 6: to become the best versions of ourselves. I'm living in 503 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 6: a whole new reality. 504 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 4: You are, and it's good to hear the story because 505 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 4: everybody struggles. But we don't want everybody to have a 506 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: near death experience. We don't want everyone to go through 507 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 4: what you did. We want people to see that this 508 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 4: is where you are now and what's possible. How did 509 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 4: you decide to make your life about being a service 510 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: And tell us a little bit about how you started 511 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: and created your business, because that's what you do. You 512 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: help people transform their lives. 513 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. So the twelfth step in alcoholics anonymous is about 514 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 6: being of service and carrying the message to other alcoholics. 515 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 6: The whole step system is designed to give people a 516 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 6: spiritual awakening. And that's what happened to me. I had 517 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 6: a white light type experience where I had a visitation 518 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 6: from I don't know if it was an angel or 519 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 6: my higher self, whatever this thing was. It didn't tell 520 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 6: me what or who it was. Jesus, I don't know. 521 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 6: I was in my bathroom taking a shower one day 522 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 6: i'd worked the steps. I was having a hard time. 523 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 6: I prayed and prayed because I was going through a 524 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 6: rough time, and this being came through down through my ceiling, 525 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 6: and it was invisible, but you could feel its presence. 526 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 6: And it was like a light down through the ceiling 527 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 6: while I'm taking a shower. I could feel its power. 528 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 6: I started having these thoughts like I'm not worthy, like 529 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 6: I've done X Y and Z, I have X Y 530 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 6: and Z flaws, like I'm not worthy to be visited 531 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 6: by this powerful angelic being. It was like it telepathically 532 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 6: sensed my thoughts and I could care less about what 533 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 6: I had done. It pierced through those thoughts into my 534 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 6: body and it just radiated love and peace and acceptance, 535 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 6: non judgment. It did something to my body. It was 536 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 6: like penetrated me, like an X ray. And I believe 537 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 6: that was the result of going through those steps and 538 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 6: doing the spiritual refinement process and prayer and meditation, and 539 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 6: then I had this experience. I started delving into being 540 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 6: a sponsor for people and Alcoholics Anonymous, and then from 541 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 6: there I enrolled in a course online about creating your 542 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 6: own business, and then I became a certified spiritual coach. 543 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 6: Now I'm where I am now, where I'm coaching people 544 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 6: on a regular basis, and I'm creating a course online 545 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 6: called Quantum Forgiveness. It's my ultimate method for creating time 546 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 6: and energy so you can quickly accomplish your most important 547 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 6: life goals. So that's where i am now. The course 548 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 6: isn't finished, but I'm really passionate about this topic of 549 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 6: quantum forgiveness. Why is it called quantum? Right, If you 550 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 6: look into the etymology of the word quantum, it's about 551 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 6: a particle or quanta, a quantity. Right, it is a 552 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 6: particle of forgiveness. And in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, 553 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 6: they say that resentment is the number one offender is 554 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 6: basically the number one reason that alcoholics drink. Bam, mind 555 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 6: blowing resentment is the number one reason why alcoholics drink. 556 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 6: And then in another part of the Big Book, it says, 557 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 6: after they've gone through the spiritual steps of alcoholics anonymous, 558 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 6: that they've been rocketed into a fourth dimension of existence 559 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 6: beyond which that ever dreamed. This is quantum forgiveness, the 560 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 6: particle of forgiveness. It's the essence or the spirit of 561 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 6: forgiveness that will rocket you into a fourth dimension of 562 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 6: existence beyond which you've ever dreamed. Well, the fourth dimension 563 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 6: of existence is time, So I'm talking about that forgiveness. 564 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: It's a process, it's. 565 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 6: A lifestyle, and if you can do it correctly, you 566 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 6: will gain back time and energy, so you can do 567 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 6: what really matters and what you need to accomplish in 568 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 6: this life with more ease and low. I'm a sci 569 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 6: fi guy. I like science fiction movies and stuff. But 570 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 6: it's like a tachyon, a particle, right, a tachyon that 571 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 6: moves forwards and backwards through time. So it's like literally 572 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 6: you can rewrite the past, you can be in the present, 573 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 6: and you can create the future simultaneously. It's wild and 574 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 6: it's not humdrum. It's not your everyday kind of conversation 575 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 6: that you have with people. But it's like when you're 576 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 6: in resentment, you're like a victim and you're forced to 577 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 6: be small. You can't really be of service to the world. 578 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 6: It's like Plato's cave. It's a metaphor for the reality 579 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 6: that we experience. Is that there are all these people 580 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 6: and they're chained up in a cave for their entire lives, 581 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 6: and they're forced to watch a wall with shadows being 582 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: projected on it, and they believe that's reality because they've 583 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 6: never known anything else, and they're in shackles. But one 584 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 6: day someone is freed from that kind of entrapment and 585 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 6: they follow the cave to the surface and they go 586 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 6: out into the fresh air for the first time, and 587 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 6: the sun is shining and the sky is blue, and 588 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 6: there's green grass, and now they're really experiencing reality. What 589 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 6: they thought they were living before was just a false existence. 590 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 6: So that's what forgiveness, when done right and practiced as 591 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 6: a lifestyle, does for you. 592 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 4: It's fair to say you have forgiven yourself for all 593 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 4: those things that happened in your past because it can't 594 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 4: help but think, oh, if I had done this, didn't 595 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 4: if I had done this differently. But I really believe Brandon, 596 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: that we human beings do the best we can at 597 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 4: the time. 598 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 6: Yes, forgiven myself and others, I was even able to 599 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 6: come to a place of letting go the sexual molestation. 600 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 6: That was a challenge. That was something that bothered me 601 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 6: for a long time. But in practicing it as a lifestyle, 602 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 6: I've had to learn how to give up judgment of 603 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 6: other people, righteous anger. Something happens, it makes you mad, 604 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 6: and there's a good reason why it makes you mad, 605 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 6: righteous indignation, judgment of other people, of myself. But let 606 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 6: me tell you that going through this process, we don't 607 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 6: realize how our resentments affect us and that they really 608 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 6: rob us of our time and energy. Yeah. 609 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 4: Don't you think though, that resentment and all those just 610 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 4: comes automatic. We all have that ego, we get that 611 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 4: voice inside of us, and we're quick to judge. I 612 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 4: think that's part of being human. Doesn't make it right, 613 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 4: but that we really have to build a muscle and 614 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 4: to catch ourselves. I think automatically as human beings, it 615 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 4: happens if somebody does something, you can make it wrong 616 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 4: or resent them. 617 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 6: It's I think that the mechanism, it's probably hardwired into 618 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 6: our genetics, but we're evolving, and I think that the 619 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 6: great spiritual masters have been pointing towards us for millennia. 620 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 6: First of all, the ego serves a purpose. It's a 621 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 6: defense mechanism. It keeps us safe, but it doesn't need 622 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 6: to be in charge. It can be like a tyrant 623 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 6: and you identify with it completely. You think that it's you, 624 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 6: but it's not really you. There's a higher you that 625 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 6: is connected to the spirit of the universe, and you 626 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 6: can learn how to embrace that and utilize that in 627 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 6: your daily life and put that spirit in charge. 628 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 4: There's a lot of people, including myself, that through the 629 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 4: death of a loved one, there's fighting, there's miscommunications, and 630 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 4: sometimes relationships have not healed, and there's resentment that people 631 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 4: hang on to. What would be your advice, Would it 632 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 4: be from seeing the situation from another person's perspective, sending 633 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 4: them love? 634 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, first of all, resentment's not wrong. 635 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 6: Your feelings aren't wrong. You have them for a reason. 636 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 6: But if it's affecting you and it's draining you and 637 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 6: you're thinking about it, and it's diminishing your quality of life. 638 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 6: It might be something that you want to consider letting 639 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 6: it go or dealing with it. You identify you need 640 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 6: to move out of the victim mentality that this person 641 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 6: did X, Y and Z to me and stop judging them. 642 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 6: Part of it is understanding the why, like why did 643 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 6: this happen? That's a big question that I hear a 644 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 6: lot when dealing with the resentments. 645 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 4: Let's go to the break now, and when we get back, 646 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 4: we'll continue this conversation, and he's got some very powerful 647 00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 4: words about forgiveness. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 648 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 649 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 5: Stay right there, there's more Sandra Common right out. 650 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 7: Hey, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua P. 651 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 6: Warren. 652 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 7: Don't forget to check out my show Strange Things each 653 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 7: week as I bring you the world of the truly 654 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 7: amazing and bizarre right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast 655 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 7: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 656 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 3: Hi, it's Doc your Sky. 657 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 6: Keep it right here. 658 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 3: On the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast am Pyronormal 659 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 3: Podcast Network. 660 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 4: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlaine. 661 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 4: It is said that sand in an oyster is an irritant, 662 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 4: but ultimately that produces a pearl. People are the same 663 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 4: way to you and me. They can be irritants and 664 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 4: there can be lots of problems, but we're being polished 665 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 4: just like that pearl. So let's continue with Coach Brandon 666 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 4: densmore about some words on forgiveness. 667 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 6: Your feelings aren't wrong. You have them for a reason. 668 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 6: But if it's affecting you and it's draining you, and 669 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 6: you're thinking about it and it's diminishing your quality of life, 670 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 6: it might be something that you want to consider letting 671 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 6: it go or dealing with it. You need to move 672 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 6: out of the victim mentality that this person did X, 673 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 6: Y and Z to me and stop judging them. Part 674 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 6: of it is understanding the why, like why did this happen? 675 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 6: That's a big question that I hear a lot when 676 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 6: dealing with the resentments, and that can be a way 677 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 6: that will help shift your perspective out of this victim mentality. 678 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 6: And like I said, I'm not judging it. There's nothing 679 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 6: wrong with it, So you can make the choice to 680 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 6: let it go. You can make the choice to move 681 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 6: on from it, to come to a place where you're 682 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 6: not thinking about it, where it's not bothering you. And again, 683 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 6: it's a process, but also a lifestyle of giving up 684 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 6: judgment of other people, judgment of yourself. Like we have 685 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 6: a club that we take out and we beat ourselves 686 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 6: with and we beat other people with the club, and 687 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 6: that club is called judgment. We demonize what we did 688 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 6: or what they did, and then we beat ourselves and 689 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 6: we beat other people with this club. But you can 690 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 6: put the club down and not spend your time and 691 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 6: energy on that anymore and instead figure out why do 692 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 6: people do what they do, And there's different perspectives on that, 693 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 6: and alcoholics anonymous people do things that are horrible because 694 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 6: they're sick. In the case of my molestation, my sponsor 695 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 6: brought this to my attention. I was having a conversation 696 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 6: with him in the fifth step about resentments that I had, 697 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 6: and the sexual molestation came up, and he said, Brandon, 698 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 6: that's terrible that happened to you. That should never have happened. 699 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 6: There's nothing you could have done, And then he said, 700 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,839 Speaker 6: but in the twenty years that you've been alive, did 701 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 6: you ever consider why he did what he did? And 702 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 6: I said, no, in twenty years, I haven't really thought 703 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 6: about that. Have just condemned him. And he said, well, 704 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 6: this guy was sixteen years old that sexually molested me 705 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 6: when I was eight. And he said, well, did you 706 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 6: consider that maybe he had been sexually molested, that maybe 707 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 6: he had learned this behavior somehow? Well, no, I never 708 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 6: thought of that. And then he said, well, picture him 709 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 6: as a kid, maybe he was sexually molested. If that 710 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 6: was the case, could you feel any compassion for him? 711 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 6: And it was like this aha moment where it was like, yeah, 712 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,359 Speaker 6: I wouldn't want that to happen to anybody. So that's 713 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 6: part of how understanding why people do what they do. 714 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 6: One reason is that they're sick people, so they've been 715 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 6: through trauma themselves, They've had violence happen in their lives, 716 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 6: and they have internalized that and are now operating at 717 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 6: that level. Can you have compassion for the sick person? 718 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 6: Another why is a common sense why because people do 719 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 6: what they do out of a sense of survival, because 720 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,760 Speaker 6: they think it's going to help them survive through certain things, 721 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 6: or because they think it's going to make them happy. 722 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 6: So an easy way to let go of a minor anger. 723 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 6: I think just understanding that really people are doing things 724 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 6: the way that they do because they think it's going 725 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 6: to help them survive in the world, or it's going 726 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 6: to make them happy or bring them pleasure in some way. 727 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 6: And when you can look at it from that perspective, 728 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 6: you can put some distance between you and what they're 729 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 6: doing and take a step back. Another reason is innocence. 730 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 6: Jesus said, forgive them, for they know not what they do, 731 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 6: and this was when he was being tortured and being 732 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 6: ready to be put to death. Forgive them for they 733 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 6: know not what they do. Do any of us really 734 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 6: know what we're doing. We don't have all the answers. 735 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 6: We're really, at a core level innocent, like little children 736 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 6: trying to make their way in the world. We don't 737 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 6: know what we do. We don't know the effects of 738 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 6: what we do that have on other people. And it's 739 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 6: just an ignorance the reason why people do what they do, 740 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 6: and that people aren't in their right mind when they 741 00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 6: hurt others or do something that affects our lives. So 742 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 6: understanding the why. That's one piece of it I appreciate 743 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 6: that people have struggled with in the past. 744 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 4: Is why should I forgive them? Why should I forgive them? 745 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 4: The thing is holding that resentment. It's like taking rat 746 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 4: poison and waiting for the other person to die. What 747 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 4: it does to us. It's not about impacting the other person, 748 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 4: and it may certainly, but it's really so that we 749 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 4: are free. We can clear the chalkboard of all that 750 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 4: stuff that's holding us back and be free to be 751 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 4: who we are. So thank you so much for sharing that. 752 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 6: I also have a story that I wanted to tell 753 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 6: you about prove life after death. I think that there 754 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 6: is an after life and that the soul moves on 755 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 6: to another existence. I had a good friend, someone that 756 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 6: I used drugs with in the past. One night we 757 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 6: were talking. We said to each other, Okay, if you 758 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 6: ever die, or if I ever die, let's say you 759 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 6: die first, you send me a message and let me 760 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 6: know if there is life after death, and if I die, 761 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,280 Speaker 6: I'll do the same for you, and then we won't 762 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 6: be afraid of death and we will know that there 763 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 6: is existence afterwards. So what ended up happening was she 764 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 6: had died from an overdose, but before I knew that 765 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 6: she had passed away. One night, I'm in my camper. 766 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 6: I lived in a camper at the time, and one 767 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 6: night my friend shows up at the door, comes in 768 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 6: sound asleep, just sits at my bed and then crawls 769 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 6: into bed and cuddles with me and then just hangs out. 770 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 6: It was like one hundred percent real, like in the flesh. 771 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 6: And then the next day I found out she had 772 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 6: passed away. She was letting me know that there is 773 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 6: indeed an after life, and we go on. 774 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 4: Give me goosebumps with that story. 775 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 6: I don't know if that helps your listeners at all, 776 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 6: but helps me. 777 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 2: Yes, it does, absolutely it does. 778 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 4: I know you've got some other things you have jotted 779 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 4: down that you wanted to make sure we cover in 780 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 4: this episode. Take a little look. 781 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 6: Okay, So yeah, like overcoming ego, this was a big 782 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 6: eye opener, was that when we're resentful of ourselves or 783 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,239 Speaker 6: other people, that it's really the ego. And not that 784 00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 6: there's anything wrong with this, I'm not judging it. Resentment 785 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 6: keeps us stuck in a little self which a lot 786 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 6: of people call the ego. It keeps us trapped in 787 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 6: this little self, and our focus is on it, our 788 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,279 Speaker 6: energy is on it. We are really concerned only with ourselves. 789 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 6: Because when we're spending our time and energy and thinking 790 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,800 Speaker 6: about how we've been wronged or what we've done wrong 791 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,800 Speaker 6: in the past, When our time and energy is focused 792 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 6: on that, we can't accomplish our most important life goals. 793 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 6: We can be of service. There's so many people that 794 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 6: need help. There's so much good that we can accomplish. 795 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 6: But when we're trapped in this little ego, we're only 796 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,280 Speaker 6: really concerned about ourselves, what's happened to us and protecting ourselves, 797 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 6: and we can't expand and be the kind of help 798 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 6: for the world that the world needs. Really and another 799 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 6: part is logo therapy. Something that can help people overcome 800 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,320 Speaker 6: grief but also deal with the resentments is logo therapy. 801 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 6: It was developed by this guy, doctor Victor Frankel. He's 802 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 6: a Holocaust survivor, went through the most outrageous atrocities that 803 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 6: anybody can ever imagine, and he got through it. And 804 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 6: after that he developed this thing called logo therapy, which 805 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 6: is basically meaning therapy. So if you have a strong 806 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 6: enough meaning in your life, you can get through almost anything. 807 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 6: This guy was tortured, this guy was starved and forced 808 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 6: to watch other people go through the worst kind of 809 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 6: things you can imagine. He survived, and he survived because 810 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 6: he had a crystal clear vision of his wife that 811 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 6: he wanted to make it through this experience so that 812 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,720 Speaker 6: he'd be able to see her again. So what happened 813 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 6: in alcoholics anonymous is I acquired a meaning that was powerful, 814 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 6: and the meaning was being of service to other people 815 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 6: and helping other people. And once I started doing that, 816 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 6: I could feel the joy of it. If you can 817 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 6: find a meaning in your life, a powerful meaning, you 818 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 6: can get through just about anything. And another thing. If 819 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 6: someone has passed in your life, and maybe you have 820 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 6: resentments toward them, or you resent yourself for maybe contributing 821 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 6: to whatever happened, or you resent yourself for things that 822 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 6: you did to them or didn't do. Just honor their 823 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 6: name by doing things real world that help other people 824 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 6: in some way. I'm going to give this guy on 825 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 6: the side of the road ten dollars, and I'm doing 826 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,399 Speaker 6: it in the name of the person that passed away, 827 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 6: and then keep doing it. It's like that person's is 828 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 6: still here and through you is doing good in the world. 829 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 4: That's great, that really is That's all I got, It's 830 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,479 Speaker 4: all you got. Well, then let's talk about how people 831 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 4: could get in touch with you. What kind of do 832 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 4: you do with other people? Is it one on one? 833 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,840 Speaker 4: I know you're developing the Forgiveness course. What can people 834 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,640 Speaker 4: get right now if they contact you? And how can 835 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 4: they contact? 836 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd have a few spots for coaching sessions, so 837 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 6: I do offer coaching packages. I'm offering free sessions, free 838 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 6: hour one on one coaching sessions to anybody who's interested. 839 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 6: We can get together over Zoom or Facebook Messenger and 840 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 6: have a conversation on what's going on in your life, 841 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 6: no strings attached. If we decide to work together, you 842 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,279 Speaker 6: can purchase a coaching package. But other than that, I'm 843 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,760 Speaker 6: taking people on a wait list for the Quantum Forgiveness 844 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 6: Course that I'm developing. The best way to contact me 845 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 6: is coach Brandon Densmore. Edging is one good way. You 846 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 6: can shoot me an email, or you can find me 847 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,720 Speaker 6: on Facebook and send me a private message. 848 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 4: Great, thank you for that, and tell us about your 849 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 4: YouTube channel. What you got going on there. 850 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 6: I have some YouTube videos, but I don't really have 851 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 6: a YouTube channel. But I've been going on a lot 852 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 6: of different podcasts and you can find most of those 853 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 6: interviews on my professional Facebook page. 854 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 4: Okay, and that is easily going to Facebook dot com 855 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,840 Speaker 4: forward slash coach Brandon. 856 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 6: Yes, b R A N D E N. 857 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,480 Speaker 4: Yes. That was coach Brandon Densmore. I hope you enjoyed that. 858 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 4: I love telling stories and hearing stories about the afterlife. 859 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,760 Speaker 4: But why it's so rich is it gives us insight 860 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 4: on how to live a powerful life. I do hope 861 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 4: you joined me at We Don't Die dot com. 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