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Speaker 1: Always unpluggs Forgotten Season.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is

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Speaker 2: your host, Dylan Dreyfus. Today, Man, we got a straight

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Speaker 2: up killer. We got one of the nastiest point guards

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Speaker 2: of all time in my opinion, Darren Williams talking about

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Speaker 2: year number two, two thousand and seven Western Conference finalist

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Speaker 2: Utah Jazz. This was d Will's breakout season, his rookie year.

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Speaker 2: He's not starting all the time, he's playing spotty minutes

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Speaker 2: under an old school coach, Jerry Sloan. But this season

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Speaker 2: he's the clearcut starter and he shows up big time.

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Speaker 2: Puts up sixteen a game, nine assists per game, first

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Speaker 2: second year player to do that since a guy by

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Speaker 2: the name of Jason Kidd in nineteen ninety six for

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Speaker 2: the MAVs. And you go back and watch d Will Man,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I think one of the nastiest point

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Speaker 2: guards ever. Talk about hesitations, double moves, counters, finishes, dunks.

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Speaker 3: He was just cold man.

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Speaker 2: Surrounding Williams, we got a pair of all star bigs

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Speaker 2: at the four and the five, Carlos Boozer in memet

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Speaker 2: O Kerk. We got the Swiss Army Knife, at the three.

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Speaker 2: Andre Kirilanko Ak forty seven. Derek Fisher comes in this

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Speaker 2: year for some support in the backcourt, so.

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Speaker 3: Utah's got a squad.

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Speaker 2: This is the first of four consecutive playoff appearances with

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Speaker 2: Williams at the helm. Six oh seven fifty one wins,

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Speaker 2: number three offense in the league. They finish as the

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Speaker 2: four seed in the West playoffs. They beat a healthy

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Speaker 2: team mac in Yeao in round one, a series in

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Speaker 2: which pretty much nobody picked Utah. Round two they get

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Speaker 2: the We Believe Warriors fresh off there historic upset over Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Utah takes care of them in five and then conference

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Speaker 2: finals we got the San Antonio Spurs, the eventual champs.

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Speaker 2: Utah does end up falling to the Spurs in five games.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump into this one now reminder drop a rating

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Speaker 2: and a review. Williams on the two thousand and seven

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Speaker 2: jazz begins right now.

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Speaker 3: We got d will Darren. How you doing today, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm good man, blessed.

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Speaker 1: How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm great, I'm great.

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Speaker 2: I'm thankful to be talking to one of the best

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Speaker 2: point guards to the two thousands. We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 2: about year two for you. So kind of setting the

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Speaker 2: stage figuring out how we got to year two. Your

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Speaker 2: rookie year, you go third overall, you get drafted to

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Speaker 2: the Jazz. You get drafted to a coach Jerry Sloan

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Speaker 2: rest in peace, an old school coach that doesn't love

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Speaker 2: playing young guys. I think, clearly you're the best point

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Speaker 2: guard on the roster, but for the first half of

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Speaker 2: the season, spotty minute minutes, playing forty minutes one night,

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Speaker 2: ten minutes the next. It doesn't really kick in until

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Speaker 2: post All Star break when he finally starts you. And

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Speaker 2: then you have a really great run finishing off the season,

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Speaker 2: like fifteen to six, shooting fifty percent from deep. So

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Speaker 2: after your rookie season, what do you remember from the

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Speaker 2: summer going into year two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember having to come back to

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Speaker 1: the summer league, Summer league again, and I think I

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Speaker 1: played I don't want to say, two games, maybe three,

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Speaker 1: three games, and then they shut me down and we've

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Speaker 1: seen we've seen enough, you know, and and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just kept working on my game that summer and

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Speaker 1: the first the first year was a lot of ups

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Speaker 1: and downs, and you know, looking back, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you get older, you realize, I think what he was

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Speaker 1: in that kind of old school mentality. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: I wish he would have I think I think it

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Speaker 2: You guys make a move for Derek Fisher bringing the

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Speaker 1: In No, I never thought that I was. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was pretty confident in my abilities and you know, no,

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Speaker 1: definitely no disrespect to de Fish because I mean, shoot,

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Speaker 1: he's he's a legend and uh you know, you know

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Speaker 2: That was also a USA basketball year wasn't the Olympics,

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Speaker 2: but it was FIBA. Was there any interest from you

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Speaker 2: and playing on that team?

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, one hundred percent. I just didn't. I

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Speaker 2: Uh they got k They got Kirk Heinrich, ahad of

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Speaker 1: I use all those things, all those slights as motivation.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's always something that kind of kept me going.

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Speaker 1: And so, uh, that definitely was. It definitely was in

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Speaker 2: Out two thousand and eight. I know they're making the

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Speaker 2: documentary you are you in that.

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny, So I mean I'm in it,

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Speaker 1: obviously because I played on the team, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like I did an interview for that a while ago,

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Speaker 1: I've done so many, like you know, interviews here and there,

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Speaker 2: I guess you'll be watching it the same way as

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Speaker 2: us see them. No, but I'm becausewo thousand and six

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Speaker 2: So going into sophomore year, like I said, they bring

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Speaker 2: We got Booze, O Kerr, Carolinka with you. Starting with

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Speaker 2: of follow up to that, do you prefer or did

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Memos was amazing. Man. It was

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Speaker 1: a great teammate, great guy you know, you know, still

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Speaker 1: a friend to this day. The big reason I went

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Speaker 1: Stumble and so, yeah, like you said, he was definitely

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it was it was amazing. It was amazing

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Speaker 1: And then you know, second part of that question was,

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Speaker 1: think for me, it was great to play with both

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Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's what made our team

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I enjoyed playing with both those guys.

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Speaker 1: They both made me better. They both made my job easy.

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Speaker 2: Quick side note, how was this stable? Because I heard

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's unbelievable, you know, I was. It's funny

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Speaker 2: So, continuing down the line, Carolinko, you're on record saying

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm telling you that the dude could do everything.

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't something he couldn't do on the court,

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Speaker 1: and there were times where he could knock down shots.

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Speaker 1: He was just very you know, up and down, very inconsistent.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Ak was so fun to play

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Speaker 1: And then defensively, I mean he was everywhere and and

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Speaker 2: Looking back, obviously, the league has changed so much. You

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Speaker 2: feel like if if he's in today's game, like, are

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Speaker 2: people playing him at the five?

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Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, I mean one hundred percent, Like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: you look at other guys, you know that that are

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Speaker 1: would have. They probably would have put more infinite emphasis

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Speaker 1: that he didn't work on it, but I think they

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Speaker 2: So kind of surveying around the league, focusing on the West,

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Speaker 2: like every other year in the two thousands, conference is

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Speaker 2: up being Western Conference finalists. But like before the season,

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Speaker 1: of them. He just kept calling me Durwan in interviews

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00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 1: and it was pissing me off, which half the league

434
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 1: called me drawn. Anyway. I still get called drawn to

435
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 1: this day.

436
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: So I blame my mom, Like on court he's telling you,

437
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 2: or press conferences, just everything.

438
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: Press press conferences. Yeah, there was a couple of press

439
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,479
Speaker 1: conferences where you did it.

440
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: So you get past Houston and seven and then Golden

441
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: State that we believe team coming off that epic win

442
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 2: versus Dallas.

443
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

444
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: You know, Matt and Stack in your interview, they blame

445
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: the refs. They said, the rest heed them. You say,

446
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: the same thing kind of maybe happened in the San

447
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: Antonio series.

448
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: The next series.

449
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 2: But have you seen the new Netflix documentary on Tim Donneghey.

450
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I have. I just watched it actually the other day.

451
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: All right, So, I mean, did we have Tim Did

452
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: we have Tim Donahey in any of those matchups? No?

453
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: You did have Tim done. I will look that up.

454
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: But Scott Foster was Scott Foster on there?

455
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: Because that's that's kind of what I wanted to hint

456
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: that because you watched the documentary and they they don't

457
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: say flat out, but they say Donnie and Foster were

458
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 2: calling each other at halftime. And then you see the

459
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: stats that come out recently where like Scott Foster ref

460
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: and Chris Paul fifteen straight loss is But like, was

461
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: this something that you guys as players at the time

462
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 2: kind of new or suspected or did you not want

463
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: to believe it and then you just found out after?

464
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like the restaurant was cheating, but

465
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: that's just me probably being a baby. I felt like

466
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: as a big guard, I didn't I didn't get a

467
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: lot of the calls that I mean, you look at

468
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: like Kevin Martin and Lou Williams, the call AI they

469
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: get like bumped a little bit and just flail and

470
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: they get a call. I go through the lane and

471
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: get hammered, and I didn't get calls all the time.

472
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: So I mean, I feel like anybody's gonna feel like

473
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: they're cheated. And you know, I don't know, I don't know.

474
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: I know there's guys I could tell. There's guys who

475
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: had grudges against me, Like there's one for one, for instance,

476
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,239
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name. I hate him so much.

477
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: If I saw him today, i'd probably i'd probably want

478
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: to fight him. But I swear he, like I know

479
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: for a fact that he would literally single me out

480
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: in game without a doubt. I mean he would even

481
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: say stuff like when we come to the circle, he

482
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: would like say little things. It's just like kind of

483
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: pissed me off. Motherfuckers.

484
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Speaker 4: Man, I don't I don't think that's the reason that

485
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 4: we we beat Golden State, all right, So we beat

486
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 4: them for to two for one for one, yeah for one.

487
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's tough to be a team for one

488
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: all on ress.

489
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: That's true. I want to ask you.

490
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: So obviously Utah has that crazy home court environment and

491
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: then Oracle, you know, if you if you rank all time,

492
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: probably number one, you told us heart in all the

493
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: smoke with your mom and and her basically like yeah,

494
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: I'll give it to you. Uh one speak on that

495
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: workle away environment. And then to just talk about how

496
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Speaker 2: how Missus Williams had to fair there.

497
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Speaker 1: This is Smith Acstlualely Missus Smith. See, yeah, Oracle was tough.

498
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: It was. It was another tough one. They got loud,

499
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: they were rowdy, you know, the Bay area definitely they

500
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: come to support their teams. And so, yeah, I mean,

501
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: I guess my mom, My mom's my mom's uh, she's

502
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: interesting because she she you know, she loves her baby,

503
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: right and so, but she also I don't know, I

504
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: don't know how the story right, I still don't. I

505
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, you only hear one side of

506
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: the story, right, I need to hear the other person.

507
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 3: You've only heard it from her.

508
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, my mom tends to like if

509
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: she hears something, she's gonna turn around right and say something.

510
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: Just who cares what they're saying, Like it's not I

511
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: can't hear them, I don't care, but she lets that

512
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: stuff bother, so she's gonna say something. So like they

513
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: probably were going back and forth and whatever, but uh,

514
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: you know we send and put it, put their hands

515
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: on her like they did teps people, you know, and

516
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: then we would add a problem. But yeah, Oracle was

517
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: tough to play. It was. It was a tough tough

518
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: for Ring to play. And and that gold Safeteae was tough.

519
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: You know, a bunch of tough hard nos duodes and

520
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was some battles even though we won,

521
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: like you said for to one, you know, they were

522
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: they were all tough games.

523
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: What was that matchup with b D Like?

524
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of guys and they kind

525
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: of pointed him a lot as just like a problem,

526
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: toughest matchup. I know he was banged up that series,

527
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: But what was that matchup like with b.

528
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: D Man, it was another one of my good friends

529
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: in the league. You know, we had had dinner, hung

530
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: out for everything there every game you know that series,

531
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it was always fun to play

532
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: against the d another another guy grew up you know,

533
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: watching and uh, everybody still remembers that duck he had

534
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: against a k every every started every season or in

535
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: the anniversary. I see that thing just flooding on Instagram,

536
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: Instagram fees. But yeah, he was a special player, you know,

537
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: and I think one of those guys it kind of

538
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: gets overlooked and doesn't get enough credit for what he

539
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: did in the league.

540
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that, you know, you guys won for one,

541
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: but pretty much the only highlight from that series you

542
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: see is that today it.

543
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: Was nasty to be fair.

544
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: So conference finals, you take care of the Warriors for one,

545
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: then you got the Spurs. I just talked to Booby

546
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: Gibson about the same season for the Calvs who lost

547
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: to the Spurs and the finals. So you're seeing the

548
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: same team obviously, Duncan Parker, Genobili. You break out thirty

549
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: four points in game one, but you lose. Uh you know,

550
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: I know there might be some some ref play there,

551
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: But what what do you remember most from that San

552
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: Antonio series? Did Could you have done anything different to

553
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: get the winner? Were they just you know, too good

554
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: and too experienced?

555
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean, yeah, looking back, and then

556
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: I actually got hurt at the end of that game

557
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: Game one, Yeah, my calf, and so it bugged me

558
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the series. But yeah, I mean, I

559
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: don't know if there's anything we could have done. I

560
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: mean that that team was that team was tough, you know,

561
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: and like you said, very experienced, and they just know

562
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 1: how to win, and we were just figuring out how

563
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: to win. So, you know, we just we just ran

564
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: into a juggernaut. Crazy thing is I think if we

565
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: could have beat him, I think we would have beat

566
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: the cass probably. Yeah.

567
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: Lebron aka AK versus Lebron cool with that.

568
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I feel like we

569
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: had every other matchup. Yeah, I feel like I take

570
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: the point guard matchup for sure. They know we would

571
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: have through the kitchen sink at Lebron and made other

572
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: people beat him beat us.

573
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: So you losing five to San Antonio and in the

574
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: next three years you win one playoff series in a

575
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: wait and then get the Lakers in round two, and

576
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: then you see the Lakers in nine and ten.

577
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: Tough draws.

578
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: To say, the least team that won the West won

579
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: back to back championships in nine and ten. Any good

580
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: Kobe stories from any of those three matchups.

581
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe was just a motherfucker man. It's just

582
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: there's nothing, there's nothing you can really do against him.

583
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: I mean, Ronnie Brew I saw highlights the other day

584
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: where Ronnie Brewer playing defense on him. It's just him

585
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: making contested shot after contested shot, hand in his face.

586
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: It didn't it didn't really matter. And uh yeah, I

587
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: mean there's not too many funny stories because it wasn't funny.

588
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: You know. We just ran into we ran into the

589
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Mamba Man, and and uh who knows if we would

590
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: have beat them. I feel like we could have competed

591
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: with any other team. But then it's kind of the

592
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: same thing with with San Antonio, where they're just too

593
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: good him Pa Gasol lamar Odom. You know, they're just

594
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: they're just too tough.

595
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: I've heard before, like just people playing against Kobe in

596
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: the playoffs. He he shows his respect in interesting ways,

597
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: like he's never going to tell you like nice game

598
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: or whatever. He probably shows his respect and shows that

599
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: he respects you by like really competing against you. Did

600
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: he say anything to you before, during, or after any

601
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: of those series or is it just stone cold because

602
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: I know you played with him in O eight in

603
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: the Olympics. Probably established a relationship there, Like any interactions

604
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: between you two that stick out?

605
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: No, I mean he would say what's up before the game,

606
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, dap you up? But it wasn't. It wasn't

607
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: like he's trying to, you know, be friendly. You know,

608
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: he's about his business. He always has been, and so yeah,

609
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't think if you're not on his team, Yeah,

610
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: he's not really. He ain't really have much conversations fair enough.

611
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: So that's kind of your utah run you go to

612
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: the nets.

613
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: It's funny, you know, I talked to players in like

614
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: oh seven, you go to the conference finals. You're super young.

615
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: The team around you is definitely not old. You got

616
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: some young pieces, Like do you just kind of expect

617
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: after you get that close and fall that like those

618
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: opportunities will kind of like keep coming up, Like you

619
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: expect that. You know, we made the conference finals this year,

620
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: like this should be the floor. Like maybe talk about

621
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: that and just like how how hard it is not

622
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: only to make the playoffs, but to win rounds in

623
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: the playoffs.

624
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is. Every everything has to go right.

625
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: You know, you got to be healthy number one, which

626
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that was kind of something that that

627
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: that hindered us. You know, I think that next year

628
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: we lost Memo in the first round or no, not no,

629
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: it was three years after that. I think it was

630
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: nine we lost Memo in the playoffs. He tours Achilles

631
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: Booze dealt with some hamstring injuries. I dealt with angle

632
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: entries and risk injury. So that that's first and foremost.

633
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: You know, you got to stay healthy in order to

634
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and then you gotta stay healthy throughout

635
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs to have a run. And matchups are everything,

636
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: and we just we ran into some bad matchups for us,

637
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, teams that had a lot of lengths, you know,

638
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: at the big spots when we didn't have that, and uh,

639
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think it cost us.

640
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean today, just looking back, what what sticks with

641
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: you most about your running Utah.

642
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I feel like it was the most fun I had

643
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: playing basketball. You know, those early years before you before

644
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: you understand what the NBA is, before you understand the politics,

645
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, your ego, ego gets ahead

646
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: of you. You know, it was fun. It was like

647
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: pure basketball was just out there, not not really it's

648
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: all you're thinking. It's hooping. That's all you were thinking

649
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: about hooping, being the best you can be. And you

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Speaker 1: know it was fun. That was my That was my

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Speaker 1: most memorable times. It was with the Jazz and you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely the times I feel like I looked back the most.

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Speaker 2: On I mean, looking at their team now, I think, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think you can start right now after

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Speaker 2: the mode.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to see me out there?

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Speaker 2: Nah they I mean, I don't know if you know,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like it's kind of a no brainer

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Speaker 2: that they should retire number eight. Is that No, you

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Speaker 2: don't think so? I mean, I think he's talked him alone.

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Speaker 2: There's not there's other players, but you look up there.

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Speaker 1: No, I think I needed to have, you know, another

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Speaker 1: couple of years, you know, more years there and done more.

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Speaker 1: Only I think I only made the All sorry team

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Speaker 1: once when I was there, which I feel like I

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Speaker 1: got robbed a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you made in that you made it in eleven,

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Speaker 2: but you get traded during that year. It's I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's tough to make the all start team in the

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Speaker 2: West and the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was, it really was. Yeah, and then when Ai

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Speaker 1: came over from the East, that made that made it

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Speaker 1: tough because he was gonna get voted in. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: was worthy they retired my number.

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Speaker 3: I do, But that's that's just me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh you still watching the game now? Like any

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Speaker 2: point guards.

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Speaker 1: You just love watching John Morant. That kid is special.

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Speaker 1: I like what I really like watching him, you know,

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I watched. I don't watch religiously, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll like if I see I very rarely watch a

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Speaker 1: game and start to finish, but I you know, I

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Speaker 1: tune in here and there and I watch highlights stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. Mhmm.

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Speaker 3: I think, uh, not like super similar play, But I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just I love watching Luca and like think think

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Speaker 2: back on those like two thousands guards, Like obviously he's

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Speaker 2: got like four or five inches on you, but kind

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Speaker 2: of similar build. Like he's a big body. Another guy

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Speaker 2: that could probably get more calls than he does, although

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Speaker 2: he's he's a pretty good actor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he. I mean Lucas is his game is crazy,

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Speaker 1: and just how how slow and and and old he plays.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's always that he can't you can't really

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Speaker 1: speed him up, you know. I think the only way

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Speaker 1: that the only like you said, the only thing that

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Speaker 1: kind of gets him frustrated and gets him off his

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Speaker 1: game is not getting coughs. Yeah, which I've been there.

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Speaker 1: I've been there where I've I feel like I let

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Speaker 1: the I let the refs like take me out of

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Speaker 1: my game instead of just you know, if I had

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Speaker 1: my mindset now, it would have been a lot better. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I would have been a lot better, probably played a

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Speaker 1: lot longer than I did.

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Speaker 2: I got to dig up the old tapes and find

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Speaker 2: that ref that that that you got it out for.

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Speaker 1: What was his name.

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Speaker 3: He was?

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't remember, light skinned, black dude.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it's best for his own good.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, No, I'm I'm joking. I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't really care, but I know he did have it

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Speaker 1: out for me.

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Speaker 3: Well that's all I got to do.

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Speaker 2: Will again, Man, I really appreciate your time. I think

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Speaker 2: the fans are gonna love this. Two thousand and seven

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Speaker 2: Jazz almost got it, but definitely a bright spot in

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Speaker 2: the post stock him alone jazz Era. So I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you hopping on man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, for sure, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: That is a rat man, Darren Williams on the two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven Utah Jazz. This is your host, Dylan

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Speaker 2: enjoyed that, we really appreciate it. I'll be back next

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Speaker 2: week with a fresh episode. Until then, peace,