WEBVTT - Sundar Pichai 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:04.920 Because you. Thank you so much for doing this, not 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.520 at all. It gave us more chance to tweak the 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.560 lights for the fifty thousands of times you're doing well. Yes, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.200 How often are you coming into the office these days? 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.079 About two to three days a week. How about you? 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.080 I guess you come in. Yeah, I'm in every day now, 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.400 So no more kids on the set. I have to ask, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.440 is your son still mining ethereum? He and I literally 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.440 are talking about it last night. He's like that, you're 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.480 the one who made me give up on it. I'm like, no, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.360 I didn't. But yeah. The thing that's good about business, 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.640 I think it excites a whole new generation about technology, 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.200 which is which is good. I really appreciate well, thank 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:39.840 you for doing it, and thank you for coming down 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.400 to do it. I'm ready to go, and you guys 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:46.559 are from Google Headquarters in Mountain View, California. Welcome to 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.240 this edition of Bloombrook Studio. At one point, Oh, I'm 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.440 Emily Chang, and today my guest is Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.600 He was born and raised in India and had almost 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.440 no access to a computer until he got to college 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.240 Entford University in the heart of Silicon Valley. Just years later, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.920 he found himself rising through the ranks of the world's 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.800 largest search engine. It was Pachai that Google co founders 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.080 Larry Page and Sergey Brin chose to run Google and 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.080 later Alphabet now valued it more than two trillion dollars. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.600 It's one of the most powerful companies on the planet. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.680 You grew up in India, you lived through droughts, water 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.000 was scarce. How has that experience shaped your feelings about 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.880 the urgency of stopping climate change? You know, I grew 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.360 up in Chennai, India, and a big part of my 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.880 childhood was, uh, you know, really pretty severe water scarcity. 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:49.000 You know, we would get water trupped in for the 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.880 streets and standing lines and carry a few buckets of 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.360 water at home. There was no running order for many years. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.000 And you know, but fast forward a few years ago, 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.720 you know, Chennai had one in a hundred year flawed 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.960 uh you know, which was a very extreme event kind 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:09.560 of drove home. That combined with a few years ago, 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.440 waking up to the orange skies here in the Bay Area, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.680 seeing the look of concern on my children's faces and 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.360 having to explain it, you know, all kind of drove 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.680 home in a deeply personal way for me. So I 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.360 think it's the most defining issue we all face, and 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:31.000 and you know, definitely something very motivated on working towards. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.400 I remember waking up to those orange Skuys too and 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.080 having to have that same conversation with my kids. Do 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.320 you think the commitments that cut twenty six went far enough? 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.520 You know, I'm encouraged by many things. Uh, you know, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.880 we have to tip our hat to the people who 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.799 are working super hard. The issues and the trade offs 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.079 are are genuinely difficult. You know, you have to keep 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.840 the economies growing. Uh, you know, it really matters. And 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.240 but at the same time, it's a pretty severe, urgent issue. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.440 So I are encouraged by the progress. I think it 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.880 builds on the Paris agreements, so I can see the 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.799 forward progress. There is the deep anxiety that it all 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.800 may not be enough, but you know, we have to 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.960 be optimistic and keep pushing. Google has set some aggressive 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.800 targets to run entirely on clean energy, to be the 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:25.200 first tech giant to do so twenty four hours a day. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.360 How confident are you that when you look back on 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.280 this time, let's say, a decade from now, you'll be 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.480 able to say Google did enough to help save the world. 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:39.160 We are putting so much energy and resource into it. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.480 It's always been kind of a founding value for us. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.040 We've been carbon neutral since two thousand seven. We've been 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.080 matching our energy consumption with renewable energy over the past 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.280 few years. So this, you know, we are not pushing. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.320 It's a moon shot. To be seven carbon free. That 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.240 means every search you do, every email you send, that 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.760 we can do it carbon free. We were at sixty 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:04.920 one percent in the number is now sixty We've set 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.920 our goals to be pent by and to do it globally. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.480 That means we have to solve new things which we 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.560 haven't done before. Wind and solar alone won't be enough. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:19.279 We just started Geo Tomlin, Nevada. We will be investing 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:23.039 in newer technologies, including carbon capture, etcetera over time. So 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.679 that's what excites me. We are a technology company at heart, 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.080 so part of there are many answers to this problem. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.840 Some of it is that we're going to have to 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.560 innovate our way out of it, and you know, we 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.640 want to push as hard as possible in doing that. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.280 Our Bloomberg New Economy Forum is happening this year in Singapore, 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.760 and the Asia Pacific region is one of the fastest 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.680 growing internet economies on the planet. Where do you see 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.040 the most room, the most opportunity for Google to grow there? Uh, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.400 you know, it's such a fitting time frame, you know, 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.599 I'm glad you're focused on the region. It's the most 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.760 vibrant region we see. It's our twenty a year since 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.159 we opened our office in Tokyo. It was the first 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:07.640 office outside the Bay Area. Um, you have two and 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.440 a half billion people on the Internet. There are many 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.200 areas in which they are there leap frogging trends which 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.599 are here and embracing the future. Digital payments is a 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.720 great example. So many of our products originated from a 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.680 pack Google Maps, Google Pay. A lot of our journey 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.440 to bring computing to more people is playing out in 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.200 Asia as well. I am excited about also the work 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.480 we're doing through cloud because the companies that are rapidly 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.200 transforming themselves digitally a chance to provide that is something 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.880 very exciting for us. So super dynamic region. Clad. I 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.960 feel like we are learning as Google being in the region, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.680 and so I think it will transform the first ten years, 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.479 I would have said we took products here and brought 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.039 it to a pack. Over the past few years, we're 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.080 beginning to build things there and some of our future 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.120 global products will be a pack first and the rest 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.120 of the world later. You can't talk about a pack 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.680 without talking about China, and you're facing stiff competition from 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.920 Chinese tech giants there and beyond. What should US policymakers 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:20.440 know about competing with China? You know, there's a lot 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.440 of conversations about US and China. The competition is feares 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.239 when you look at areas like AI and quantum computing, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.760 where we are investing a lot. Uh, you know, the 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:35.200 Chinese companies are neck to neck. What I I think 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.000 about you know, I was encouraged by the news coming 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.280 out of Glasgow about the U. S. China agreement on climate. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.680 To me, while we talk about all the all areas 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.039 where we are competing, some of the biggest areas which 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.880 are common challenges for all of humanity. The pandemic was 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:56.320 one AI and AI safety over time will be a 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.479 shed one obviously, Sustainabilities another area like that. So I 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.240 think these are all areas in which the countries can 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.920 come together. And so I think that's the way by 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.359 which we think about as you know, when we compete 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.520 on the Internet, and there may be different visions of 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.520 how the Internet plays out. So I see opportunities both sides. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.800 What are the chances that Google Search will ever come 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.800 back to China or that Google Cloud would ever come 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.679 to China. Today we don't provide most of our signed 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.000 in services in China, and I don't see that changing. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.640 But you know, there are ways, as I said, in 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.600 areas like AI or sustainability, I think there will be 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.680 opportunities for us to work together. Through cloud. We will 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.880 support multinational companies which have presents everywhere, and so maybe 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.640 there are opportunities to work that way as well. AI 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.240 is advancing at an astonishing rate, and it is hard 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.520 to understand sometimes what this really means in concrete terms. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.200 How will our lives look different, let's say ten years 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:56.640 from now as a result of AI. You know, done correctly, 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.880 you know in many ways it's going to be helpful 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.880 to you. You'll take it for granted the same way today. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.840 For example, in India, over one third of the queries 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.119 on many phones come through voice. That is something people 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.880 take for granted. You can do it so over time, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.320 you'll expect to speak and be able to understand any 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.480 language in the world, and you know those are always 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.080 it's going to make it better. You may go to 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:27.680 a doctor's office and go through a scan, and the 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.040 system may be prioritizing for the radiologists so that they 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.520 don't miss some important things, maybe giving them a second opinion. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.719 You know. So these are all ways in which it 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.520 will seamlessly start playing a role. And I think, well, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.640 you know, we'll see the efforts of that you mentioned 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:47.040 if done correctly. And there are concerns. There are fears 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.280 that AI will replicate the worst of society, even under 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.160 Google's own roof. From your own researchers, what scares you 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.719 most about AI? What keeps you up at night? It's 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.760 the most profound thing we're working on as humanity, And 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.760 and any time you're developing technology, there is a dual 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.480 site to it. I think the journey of humanity is 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:11.840 harnessing the benefits while minimizing the downsides. The good thing 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.400 with AI s it's both going to take time. I 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.600 think I've seen more focus on the downsides early on 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.400 than most of the technology we've developed. So in some ways, 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.280 I'm encouraged by how much concern there is, and you're right, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.600 even within Google, you know, you know, people think about 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.600 it deeply. We publish a lot of research that are 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:37.000 I think it's more important that there are outside academic institution, governments, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.520 nonprofits looking at this issue as well. So I think 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.200 it's it'll it will be an issue which you will 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.160 have a lot of attention, which gives me a lot 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:55.880 of comfort as well. Coming up on Bloomberg Studio at 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.640 one point, Oh, how Google ceo is reflecting on the 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.800 continuous controversy it is surrounding one of its biggest rivals, Facebook, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.760 And if Facebook is betting on the metaverse, what is 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:11.080 Google's next trillion dollar opportunity? More with Alphabet and Google ceo, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.360 so dark Chi Coming up on this edition of Bloomberg 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:22.440 Studio at one point, Oh, stay with us. Google just 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.640 hit a two trillion dollar market cap, Alphabet, I should say, 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.920 where is the next trillion dollars going to come from? 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.680 You know, I've always felt, uh, you know, your market 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.439 cap valuation is an effect of the value you provide, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:42.360 and I feel fortunate our mission is timeless. Uh, you know, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.360 there's more need to organize information than ever before. I 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.160 still feel searches our biggest moon shot as a company. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:55.120 You know, people will want radically more conversational experiences. They 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.240 will want what we call multimodal experiences. They may speak 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.480 to search, they may look at some thing and ask 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:04.000 what the information is. Being able to adapt to all 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.719 that and evolve, search will continue to be the biggest opportunity. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.920 We are so excited about the YouTube cloud, our our 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.080 hardware products, school Play. So we're building a diverse set 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.960 of businesses. But and underlying all of it is the 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.400 investments we are making in AI. You know, we've invested 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.440 hundred billion dollars in R and D in the past 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.319 five years, and so applying AI in a deep way 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.079 is probably where we will create the biggest opportunity ahead. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.600 Microsoft is making some big acquisitions. Apple's anti ad tracking 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.800 technology is shaking up the industry. What do you make 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.520 of these competitive moves. Your competitors say they're on the 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.360 right side of history. Are they? I look at the 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:49.520 fact that there are three billion people who have access 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:53.000 to knowledge of their fingertips. I look at the opportunity 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.880 we provide. I look at the skills people are learning 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.640 through YouTube. You know, I feel it everywhere when I 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.400 go talk to people and and providing access to information 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.400 and knowledge. I think we'll end up being on the 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.720 right side of history as well. Your predecessor, Eric Schmidt 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.719 told me that he feels the latest Facebook revelations are disturbing. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.959 Google also has access to massive amounts of our data. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.880 Why should half the world's population, more than half the 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.720 world's population trust Google to do the right thing? We 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.440 are trying to do more with less data. One of 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:32.520 the biggest changes we made was making order delete the 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.400 default setting for new users signing in, and now over 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.840 two billion users have their data continuously being deleted. Look, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.040 we rely on trust for people. You know, every day 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.079 when people come to Google, uh, you know, they placed 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.439 their trust in us in vulnerable moments, maybe a health 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.880 issue in which they are trying to understand. You know, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:56.199 there's no more important responsibility we have than doing right 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.520 by the trust. You know, when when we provide Gmail 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.920 to journ list and realize that the accounts maybe under 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.800 attack by by an authority in government. I mean, that's 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.880 what you know motivates us to make sure be privacy, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.920 be security, be trust. We're doing the right thing. Over time, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.400 regulation will have an important role to play here. I 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.720 think privacy regulation is important. In the areas like AI 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.480 regulation will be important, and so I think, you know, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.520 those will be part of the answers as well. The 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:30.000 Facebook fallout that Instagram can be toxic two teens, for example, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.560 has this raised more or new concerns for you about 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.560 the impact of technology, tech, addiction, algorithms, YouTube even on 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.520 our children and their development and their mental health. I mean, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.360 you're a parent, and you also have a lot of 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.560 power over how this plays out, you know, I mean, 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.760 like you, you know, bringing kids up in this modern 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.360 digital world is something I think all parents are anxious about, rightfully, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.880 So I think, you know, it's part of why a 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.320 few years ago when YouTube, you know, we we were 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.320 exposed to a set of concerns. You know, we invested 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.480 it became our number one priority to work hard at it. Uh. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.480 The reason YouTube invested so much in developing YouTube Kids 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.280 as a safe destination for young children. So on, the 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.840 technology is going to play a big role in helping 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.920 give children the next wave of opportunity as well. So 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.680 the answer is to develop it responsibly. We have changed 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.400 our balance in these areas and saying we think about 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.760 content responsibility first and then the pace of development or 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.800 new features in areas like YouTube, and so that's how 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.880 we approached it for a while. Facebook and Microsoft are 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.440 all in on the metaverse. What do you think about 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.000 the metaverse? What's Google's metaphorse strategy. It's always been obvious 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.520 to me that computing, over time will adapt to people, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.640 and people adapting to computers. You know, you won't always 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.200 interact with computing in a black rectangle in front of you. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.920 So just like you speak to people you see interact, 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:05.080 computers will become more immersive. They will be there when 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.840 you need it to be. So I've always been excited 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:12.320 about the future of UH immersive computing, ambient computing, a 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.000 R and count as the metaverse? Is that what that is? 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.800 Metaors is? I think it means different things to different people. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.040 The way I think about it is evolving computing in 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.760 an immersive way with augmented reality as part of that. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:31.320 There will be many experiences, some of which will be immersive, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.000 interactive virtual worlds. You know, which is which is a 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.360 meta worse concept? And you know, but I think this 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.480 doesn't belong to any company, right, I mean, this is 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:46.120 the evolution of Internet, and you know, the web, the Internet, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.240 all of it will continue to evolve. Google was famous 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.360 for its campuses where you could go and never leave, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.880 you had everything you ever wanted. Now you've said they 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.760 can be flexible, they can work from home, they can 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.000 work at the office, they can be hybrid, they can 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:04.280 work remotely permanently. Perhaps are you committed to really letting 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.720 them do this forever? And if so, how does that 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.600 change the future of work and society. Look, we've we've 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.840 we've really embraced that, the fact that the future is 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.360 going to be flexible. Google. We've always tried to give 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.880 you known agency to our employees, but we do realize 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.240 the importance of bringing people together, the creativity, community and 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.880 collaboration that comes with it. So the balance we are 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:34.400 striking as is this notion of three two and but 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.920 we're giving the strength of our companies. We have more 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.920 locations than most of the companies, so we're giving people 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.840 choice to move anywhere in the world four weeks. They 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:48.359 can work from anywhere. We're gonna accommodate of our workforce 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.280 to be remote over time. So we're going to embrace 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.800 that flexibility and forever forever. Yeah, And you know, we're 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.760 committed to it through it all. It forces us to 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.640 sign better products. And since people use Google workspace to 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.760 run their companies, I think gives us a chance to 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.720 innovate and bring all that out. Uh, you know, I 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.600 think there is so much value in giving people more 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.400 flexibility between their personal and professional lives. And I think 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.240 it will lead to people being happier. And I think 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.520 companies can be successful in that model. And so we're 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.040 trying to get the best of both worlds, but embrace 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.239 the flexibility and and and and see where we go 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.680 up next. The war for tech talent is down more 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.159 competitive than ever, and Google is offering more flexibility to 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.840 its workers than ever before. But Elon Musk says big 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.080 tech is a place where talent goes to die. How 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.160 to send our pati respond to that, We'll also ask 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.520 him to make a choice. That's next. This is Bloomberg Studio. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:09.680 At one point out you have presided over Google through 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.600 massive social movements that reverberated in and outside the company. 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.480 What have you learned as CEO since the walkout? For me? 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.560 You know, it was it was a moment. I think 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.119 it changed the company for the better. Uh, you know 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.639 we've always been committed. It gave us an insight on 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.840 what more we could do. We undertook deep commitments and 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:36.239 the biggest you know, overall and diversity and inclusion. I 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.320 think if you're committed and you actually put in the 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.760 effort behind it, you can make a difference. Now we 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.760 have stated clear goals, we are on track to meet 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.400 us meet those goals. But it forced us to think 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.040 about new answers. So for example, you know, tech companies 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.720 used to talk about the pipeline problem, but we are 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.520 now going to places where the talented we're working much harder. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.920 So going to Atlanta, going to d C, going to Chicago, 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:09.080 going to New York. That's improving our diversity and representation 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.160 at all levels. The war for talent is even more 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.720 competitive now in this new world. What are you offering? 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.080 Elon Musk has said big tech is a place where 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:21.480 talent goes to die. How do you respond to that? Okay, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.679 I look at the fact that you know, we are 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.640 looking to hire thirty thou people next year. I look 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.000 at the impact we have on many people coming and 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.480 working uh in the latest cutting edge things, and many 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.760 people come and people leave Google. We are proud of 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.719 people who have left Google that are I think there 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.480 are over two thousand companies that have been started by 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.480 whom we call as zooplers. I'm equally proud of that, right. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.280 I think we are one part of a big, big system, 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.919 and you know, I think I think I'm proud of 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.520 the role we playing bringing in people and the impact 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.840 they have over time. And that was said, world, All right, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:02.600 that's most of the heavy stuff out of the way. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.520 We're gonna do some rapid fire just to get to 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.720 know you a little bit better. Um, you said you'd 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.760 pick up some new hobbies in the pandemic. What did 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:14.600 you start? You know, pizza? Uh, you know, cooking pizza, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:16.639 just learning to cook, which I was never good at. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.720 I've gotten a little bit better. Cricket or soccer slash football. Wow, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:26.600 it's tough both, Please don't make okay? Um Square game 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:31.440 or ted Lasso. I watched both. Ted Lasso is much 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.120 more common, you know, and so I'd rather take ted 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.639 Lasso for word scoot games anyday. I know you're a 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.639 voracious reader. So what's the last good book that you read? 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.080 You know, I've I've been on a podcast bench, so 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.439 a lot more podcasts than books nowadays. Okay, favorite videos 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.240 you watch on YouTube with your kids, a lot of 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:54.639 music videos. Music videos. Uh, this whole notion where creators 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.560 are watching other things and commenting on it. It's a 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.280 trend which my kids are really into and I kind 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.719 of gotten used to it now, so you know, watching 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:07.080 other games. Let's as some phenomenon screen time policy that's 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.600 worked for you as a parent, and what's what's not worked. 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.240 You know, I've kind of given agency to my kids. 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.400 The only thing I tell them is that I can 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.280 look at their digital well being once in a while 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:24.000 with them, and and so that I asked them to 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.000 show it to me and they show it on their phone. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.320 So um, you know, so that that's pretty much the 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.840 only thing. So beyond that, you know, it's agency and 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.639 and uh, you know, talking to them about it and 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.600 making sure we're spending time doing other things and making 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.560 sure they develop good habits. Basically, um, metaverse or real 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.680 world done correctly. You know, you shouldn't you shouldn't feel 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:48.560 feel the need to make a choice. You know, you 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.280 always want to be present in the real world, and 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.280 when you feel the need to do something, you want 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.600 to do that. But you know, I do think presents 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.359 and the realness of the real world will end up 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.560 mapping for him once for a long time. Do you 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:05.679 own any crypto? H? I wish I did. I've dabbled 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.359 in it, but you know, in and out, in and out, okay, 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.719 um larreyn sergain. I'm not gonna make you choose. How 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.480 many times do we ta talk to them? Uh? You know? 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:18.399 I I talked to them regularly. Uh. You know. It 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.680 kind of ebbs and flows, uh, you know. And so 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.560 there are times we get excited about something and we 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.240 spend a lot of time talking it through. But it 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:29.640 depends on you know, what would I need? A piece 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.240 of advice you wish you had in your twenties and 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.280 a piece of advice you wish you had in your forties. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.159 Twenties would be, you know, being patient. Um, you know, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.600 I think when you're young, you're very impatient, which is 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.920 a great thing. But sometimes you do amazing things by 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.880 slowing down and being really focused and doing it over 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.919 a period of time. And so I would advise the 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.080 young you know, the younger version of me, to be 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.560 more patient. Maybe at forty, I would say, you know, 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.399 when I look at climate and I want want all 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.720 of us to be patient. So you know, I feel 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:03.960 like when there's an urgency to its something, and I 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.719 think the world needs to be impatient. So that's advice 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.879 I would give to an older version of me. How 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.280