Speaker 1: Forty.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish
Speaker 2: On First.
Speaker 3: Welcome into Fish On First Live, part of the Foul
Speaker 3: Territory Network Jam Packed show for you. Today, we got
Speaker 3: Nate Carsmer, Eli Sussman, Kevin Brawl, Isaac Azu, Jeremiah Geiger Here.
Speaker 3: Marlins continue to be the hottest team in baseball during
Speaker 3: the month of June sixteen and five. This month, they've
Speaker 3: now established themselves as possible contenders in the National League
Speaker 3: Wildcard race, sitting at forty two and thirty nine heading
Speaker 3: into this weekend and off day today, of course, but
Speaker 3: a fantastic month of baseball. We're gonna recap this past
Speaker 3: series against the Texas Rangers. The Marlins won two out
Speaker 3: of three. But guys, I think it's important to start
Speaker 3: off with the breaking news that happened I'd say about
Speaker 3: twenty thirty minutes ago. Connor Norby has been officially optioned
Speaker 3: to Triple A Jacksonville. I gotta say it was an
Speaker 3: unexpected move on on my end, I didn't expect the
Speaker 3: team to do it, but I agree with the move
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. He just was not cutting it at
Speaker 3: the major league level. The stats were just bad, flat
Speaker 3: out bad, to be honest, hitting just above two hundred
Speaker 3: two oh five and on base percentage of three thirteen
Speaker 3: six thirty eight ops. And although he made some decent
Speaker 3: plays at first base, the lack of hitting was not
Speaker 3: enough to justify keeping him in the lineup on a
Speaker 3: routine or on a regular basis. So he gets to Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: We're gonna see what the corresponding move is. But nate
Speaker 3: your thoughts initially when you saw the news.
Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily surprised as you were, just but the
Speaker 4: what we've seen from in production wise, I mean since
Speaker 4: the beginning to May, he's hitting one eighty seven ops
Speaker 4: in around five hundred. So it is unfortunate after those
Speaker 4: you know, steadies starting had to begin the year, and
Speaker 4: he was actually walking a good amount, striking out less
Speaker 4: and using some of the opposite field power. But it
Speaker 4: is unfortunate. But it's kind of just in line with
Speaker 4: what we've seen from the Marlins front office this here
Speaker 4: that if you aren't producing at the big league level,
Speaker 4: doesn't matter your prospect, pediory or how much you've contributed
Speaker 4: a year ago. Look at a dollar obviously your mirrez
Speaker 4: h they'll send you want to get you right. So
Speaker 4: hopefully this does end up working for Connor in his favor.
Speaker 4: It is unfortunate. It feels like the past couple of
Speaker 4: weeks sitting back to that met series in Queens and
Speaker 4: he was hitting a lot of balls to the warning
Speaker 4: track just we're not getting out. So maybe someone luckiness
Speaker 4: going on there. But you know, also at first base,
Speaker 4: we saw it was at the first game in Texas.
Speaker 4: He didn't you crashed on the bun which hurt them
Speaker 4: Rowans and messed up that I just played first, you know,
Speaker 4: pop out of his gloves. So it is tough. I
Speaker 4: wonder who're going to bring up to replace him. I mean,
Speaker 4: I feel like Grant Pauly would make sense, but I
Speaker 4: don't know if they wanted to have left you on
Speaker 4: that bench. And I mean I would say Autiste your
Speaker 4: mirrors if they let him play first that wouldn't work either.
Speaker 4: We know Audis your mirrors to not play third base unfortunately.
Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to what they do in terms
Speaker 4: of who they bring up from Jacksonville. But it's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, hopefully it will
Speaker 4: be good for Connor and then he can get his
Speaker 4: confidence back with some guys like dust down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nate took the words out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: I think that play at first base where it was
Speaker 2: just a complete I don't want to see boneheaded, but
Speaker 2: a lack of awareness there where obviously the bus going
Speaker 2: to the third base side you got to cover first,
Speaker 2: and he sort of looked at Xager Edwards as if
Speaker 2: X should have been covering first base, and he obviously
Speaker 2: had to cover second as there was first and second
Speaker 2: nobody out. So I think that along with it just
Speaker 2: the inbysmal offensive production. When you look at his WRC
Speaker 2: plus it's eighty two. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 2: in the sixties. It's honestly surprising that it's that high.
Speaker 2: You think that when you double you your walk rate,
Speaker 2: you'd be performing a lot better offensively, but in fact
Speaker 2: he's just been worse than it was last year. Pretty
Speaker 2: much every statistic possible, and like Nate said, a trip
Speaker 2: down did wonders for Eddie Berto Hernandez. Hopefully it's the
Speaker 2: same for this guy who who's got a sweet swing.
Speaker 2: I think he can get a little bit stronger. I
Speaker 2: think he needs a little bit more power if he's
Speaker 2: going to hit the way he does. He's best when
Speaker 2: he's going to the opposite field. He just haven't seen
Speaker 2: many of those inside out swings at all this year,
Speaker 2: so U a trip to Jacksonville never does much harm.
Speaker 1: It's just not surprising.
Speaker 2: Like Nate said, but you sort of wow, Yeah, this
Speaker 2: was If you told us this in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: you'd be shell shocked.
Speaker 5: If you told us this like two months ago, would
Speaker 5: have been shocking. It would reminder how long this season is,
Speaker 5: because wasn't he one of the bright spots of his
Speaker 5: Marlins seen in the first few weeks of the season,
Speaker 5: and then we had him on unfiltered like in eight
Speaker 5: late April and ever since.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of jinks him.
Speaker 5: He has one home run one home run in the
Speaker 5: last two full months combined. I just looked it up,
Speaker 5: hitting like one eighty during that time. That's a two months, man,
Speaker 5: it's been he's you know, he's his struggles have flown
Speaker 5: under the radar just because he wasn't as bad as
Speaker 5: Christopher Moreld. He wasn't as bad offensively as Jimenez over
Speaker 5: these past few couple months too. And the timing is
Speaker 5: just a little bit interesting because I was thinking more
Speaker 5: about this being a decision once Liam Hicks returns from
Speaker 5: his injury, that's an option, of course, to play a
Speaker 5: lot of first base like they wouldn't. That would make
Speaker 5: a Norby kind of redundant at that point. And with Jimenez,
Speaker 5: if you're interested in the choice between Norby and Leo Jimenez,
Speaker 5: who is overall not necessarily a better player than Norby
Speaker 5: at all, but he is out of options. And for
Speaker 5: the Marlins to ensure one hundred percent that he Menez,
Speaker 5: you know, stays in the organization and Norby has these
Speaker 5: options remaining, I think that absolutely was a factor in
Speaker 5: this decision as well.
Speaker 3: Do you guys think that Norby is I mean, I
Speaker 3: mean it's hard for me to just see Norby as
Speaker 3: some sort of franchise player, a player that's gonna last
Speaker 3: on the Marlins for even next season. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: gotten progressively worse from his initial call up when they
Speaker 3: traded with the Baltimore Orioles.
Speaker 6: He looked pretty good.
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be a part of
Speaker 3: this core, and it feels like there's other guys that
Speaker 3: have simply just surpassed him in terms of the pecking order,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I agree with Isaac. Hopefully this triple
Speaker 3: A stint helps him because Hernandez looks phenomenal since he
Speaker 3: came back. I mean, he's an absolute power threat and
Speaker 3: deserves more playing time. But with Norby, it's just the
Speaker 3: I question the tools. I question, like, really what tools
Speaker 3: is he? Is he good at? I agree he power
Speaker 3: maybe is, but it's limited. Like with Hernandez, I genuinely
Speaker 3: feel there's twenty home run power in the bat. But
Speaker 3: the other player I think we need to talk about,
Speaker 3: and you mentioned him Eli was Leo Jimenez because there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of people that are are saying why.
Speaker 6: Is Jmenez still on this roster?
Speaker 3: So Kevin, when it comes to Leo Jamenez, do you
Speaker 3: think this is a play that's going to continue to
Speaker 3: be on the Marlins for the foreseeable future because he's
Speaker 3: out of options?
Speaker 6: When do they cut ties with him?
Speaker 7: Honestly, the first thing that went through my mind when
Speaker 7: they when I saw the roster move with Norby was
Speaker 7: how the hell is Leo Jimenez still on? Herover Norby?
Speaker 7: Because it's either you choose one bad player or the other.
Speaker 7: I would have rather had Norby still around because at
Speaker 7: least he provides you some value at first base. When Leo,
Speaker 7: as much as people want to say he's more of
Speaker 7: a glove first guy, he just isn't. He's actually been
Speaker 7: terrible defensively grading when you looked at the Great the
Speaker 7: Savanna and Baseball Reference, it's not been good at third
Speaker 7: and he's hit even less than normy. At least Norby
Speaker 7: you could count on like every once in a while
Speaker 7: knocking in a couple of hits. Leo Humena is like you,
Speaker 7: it's an automatic out. I hate to say it like that,
Speaker 7: but it was just bad at bats yesterday didn't length. No,
Speaker 7: it just wasn't good. But yeah, no, Leo Jimenez, I
Speaker 7: don't know. I mean right now, to be totally honest
Speaker 7: with you, is or even a better option at third base?
Speaker 7: Dan Leohemanez like not really son Noha, but he's not
Speaker 7: an everyday guy, Paul. They already went through that. Jacob
Speaker 7: Barry can't play third base and he isn't hitting right
Speaker 7: now in Triple A. There really isn't an option. So
Speaker 7: you're just gonna have to keep riding this guy out
Speaker 7: until they figure it out. And you know, we're if
Speaker 7: we if we end the talking trade deadline at some point,
Speaker 7: that's a big need for the Marlins, regardless of like
Speaker 7: how bad he could be defensively. If you could find
Speaker 7: someone that actually actually hit at the position, that's great
Speaker 7: because the Marlins right now have the worst third base
Speaker 7: production in baseball p WRC plus. It's at forty three
Speaker 7: forty three WRC plus combined amongst all morns third basements
Speaker 7: who've actually played the position this year, So they they
Speaker 7: if they plan on winning, that position needs to be
Speaker 7: filled before starting, pitcher, before reliever, before whatever. Maybe that's
Speaker 7: that's what they need. And I think the Norby thing
Speaker 7: really quick just kind of it felt like it was coming.
Speaker 7: He was playing a lot less. Stowers is playing more
Speaker 7: first base Conan's return, I was assume he's gonna play
Speaker 7: a little bit more first. Liam Hicks is gonna come
Speaker 7: back soon enough, He's gonna play a lot more first.
Speaker 7: I'm just curious to see who they actually end up
Speaker 7: bringing back for it it's worth. And I know we
Speaker 7: said we already went through the Poly situation, but he's
Speaker 7: actually been hitting pretty well at Triple A for the
Speaker 7: last month. If they they are to call someone up,
Speaker 7: it would be him who also provides you some value
Speaker 7: defensively as well with the glove. But I wouldn't be
Speaker 7: shocked if it's like Davison or I don't know, or Kemp,
Speaker 7: if they want to be splashy and bring some power
Speaker 7: to the lineup. I think in all likelihood it just
Speaker 7: ends up being Grand Polly and we'll move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I could smell a Paulli Leo Jimenez platoon at third
Speaker 2: base from a mile away. Kevin mentioned the forty three
Speaker 2: worc pust from third base, and that is exactly what
Speaker 2: Leo jimen Is is producing by himself.
Speaker 1: So that just you know, shows.
Speaker 2: How poorly there they're what horrible production they're getting from
Speaker 2: third base.
Speaker 1: And remember this is not just any position, it's third base.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be getting a lot of offensive production
Speaker 2: from that position.
Speaker 1: So it's tough to see Leo has no options left.
Speaker 2: So you know, I never thought they were going to
Speaker 2: send him down or cut ties with their designate him
Speaker 2: for assignment quite yet. I think there's a there's an
Speaker 2: avenue here where you could be on the team for
Speaker 2: a few more months here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, A very quick overview for those watching on YouTube
Speaker 5: of the forty man roster situation with Norby sent down,
Speaker 5: Zach Bricksey sent down as well in advance of Max
Speaker 5: Meyer returning from the berievement list. So yeah, there's that
Speaker 5: question mark about who feels that last spot on the
Speaker 5: position player side prior to the series opener, the options
Speaker 5: on the forty man roster. I mean, Davison is on
Speaker 5: there as well. They've called him up twice already this season,
Speaker 5: even with very limited playing time in those situations among
Speaker 5: other healthy options. Reyes Hines, he's been he hasn't really
Speaker 5: been hitting a whole lot as of late, but he's
Speaker 5: on the forty man in the organization by a month.
Speaker 5: Grand Polly, as you guys have mentioned, would be the
Speaker 5: most obvious one, you know, who's actually been hitting a
Speaker 5: lot better as the season has gone on. Jared Serna,
Speaker 5: Forget Jared. He got off to an awful start, awful
Speaker 5: all of twenty twenty five. I don't think this is
Speaker 5: his time right now. Just something to keep a radar
Speaker 5: on in part time act in triple as.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's part time action.
Speaker 7: The one guy I do want to make he's not
Speaker 7: a forty man guy. Actually, you know they won't do it,
Speaker 7: but it's a super super long shot, and I've been
Speaker 7: writing about him on the minor league recaps. Gage Miller
Speaker 7: is raking boys and he could play some third base.
Speaker 7: The way he hit this year is actually really impressive.
Speaker 7: I thought, maybe this is a guy who comes in
Speaker 7: next year as an NRI competes for a spot. But damn,
Speaker 7: these guys are so desperate for they need a third
Speaker 7: baseman that could actually hit. He's the only one who's
Speaker 7: hitting in triple A. It would be a splashy move.
Speaker 7: It would be not splashy, but it would be one
Speaker 7: of those long shot moves that nobody thinks could happen.
Speaker 7: But Gage Miller would be a guy who I would
Speaker 7: love to see up and give him a shot. He's out.
Speaker 7: He's twenty three years old. Was the third round picking
Speaker 7: that twenty four draft, I believe it was, or yeah,
Speaker 7: the twenty four draft. Why not right, it would be
Speaker 7: the first guy from the twenty four draft. It would
Speaker 7: be like a long shot call up option, but I
Speaker 7: like it. He's raking a triple A. He looks very
Speaker 7: comfortable there. He's played almost second base, but he did
Speaker 7: get drafted out as a third baseman, and he has
Speaker 7: played the position in the minors this season, so it's
Speaker 7: not like it's a completely new thing for him, and
Speaker 7: maybe he could provide some volume more there defensively.
Speaker 2: That would be pretty flush. I agree, that would be fun.
Speaker 2: That would be fun.
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Speaker 3: As always reverse order recapping each and every game of
Speaker 3: the series. So this one of the Marlins dropped the
Speaker 3: first game, but won the last two very close games.
Speaker 3: I mean two run win, two run win, and then
Speaker 3: a one run loss. Could have had the sweep. That
Speaker 3: first game was really frustrating. But yesterday we saw the
Speaker 3: return of Uri Perez, well ahead of schedule. It was
Speaker 3: great to see him back on the mound and the
Speaker 3: control was there, which I like to see. Anytime a
Speaker 3: pitcher comes back from an injury, it tends to the
Speaker 3: control issues tend.
Speaker 6: To flare up there.
Speaker 3: It wasn't there for Yuri through a lot of strikes
Speaker 3: four and two thirds. We wanted to finish that fifth inning,
Speaker 3: but was pulled right at sixty eight pitches. Gave up
Speaker 3: just one run. Marlin's end up winning. Pete Fairbanks gets
Speaker 3: a save. How what's your takeaways from URI's return off
Speaker 3: of injury other than it's just great that he's healthy again.
Speaker 7: Yeah, great, Ury looked good. Didn't walk another guy, didn't
Speaker 7: walk anyone one, strikeout fine. Honestly, as much as I
Speaker 7: would love to talk about that last game, we need
Speaker 7: to talk about Sandy what Sam Oh, Yeah, nothing short
Speaker 7: of impressive, awesome for him. And there's a lot that
Speaker 7: we could dive into in this one topic, because a
Speaker 7: lot went down in this one topic. Sandy, now the strikeout,
Speaker 7: has the most strikeouts in franchise history. He passes Ricky
Speaker 7: and Alaska. Believe the numbers now one thousand and two.
Speaker 7: He also has the most wins at Lone Deepot Park
Speaker 7: with thirties for passing Jose Fernandez. Shout out to Sandy,
Speaker 7: stud Cabayo, whatever you want to call it. Got off
Speaker 7: to a slow start for him, a high pitch count
Speaker 7: very early on. We saw that in the Phillies start too,
Speaker 7: so good for him to kind of, you know, settle down,
Speaker 7: and Clayton clearly, you know, wanted to let this guy
Speaker 7: go out there and do it, because he got He
Speaker 7: went on in the seventh with almost one hundred pitches,
Speaker 7: so it was great to see that. I'm gonna go
Speaker 7: to Isaac because I definitely want to talk about this.
Speaker 7: That the moment that Sandy ties it. Nothing is done
Speaker 7: at the ballpark, not recognized, not mentioned, not said, no tweet,
Speaker 7: Nothing tweets only come out from media. Then Sandy gets
Speaker 7: the record, and I want to say I was there
Speaker 7: as a fan. I want to say. They took about
Speaker 7: like twenty thirty seconds until they actually flashed the graphic.
Speaker 7: Sandy kept looking back, kept looking back. Joe Mack stepped
Speaker 7: off the ump. Was actually pretty good about it too,
Speaker 7: and kind of tried to see if they could give
Speaker 7: him the moment nothing happened. I couldn't believe it. The
Speaker 7: fans clearly knew what happened. They were immediately changing Sandy,
Speaker 7: you know, clapping. It seemed like the marketing team just
Speaker 7: had no clue what to do, as they had no
Speaker 7: clue this happened. I definitely want to get your guys'
Speaker 7: take on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, First, the baseball part, Like Kevin mentioned, Sandy was
Speaker 2: laboring through those first two He was at forty pitches.
Speaker 10: Through to so I thought with zero strikeouts, it was
Speaker 10: very unlikely that.
Speaker 2: He was going to get this milestone at home, and
Speaker 2: fortunately he really just settled in starting by striking in
Speaker 2: an eleven pitch battle with Brandon Nimmo striking him out.
Speaker 2: Who I thought, you know, before the game, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at guys that he might strike out a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Nimmo was someone that did not think he was gonna
Speaker 2: get once. He's a tough guy to strike out. Got
Speaker 2: him twice, and like Kevin mentioned, ENSI the following inning
Speaker 2: with two in a row to make him tie, to
Speaker 2: tie him with Ricky with one thousand and one career
Speaker 2: strikeouts as the Marlin, and you're right, there was not
Speaker 2: a single mention on the scoreboard, which was just a
Speaker 2: perfect opportunity the inning. The strikeout to ty Ricky was
Speaker 2: to end the inning.
Speaker 10: It was a perfect opportunity to let every fan in
Speaker 10: the citium know that, hey, he has tied Ricky, so
Speaker 10: you don't even have to put an alert for the
Speaker 10: next one. But he didn't do it that In said,
Speaker 10: it went straight to fake slots like.
Speaker 2: They usually do in the end of the fifth and
Speaker 2: then before and after the sixth inning were he didn't
Speaker 2: strike out anyone.
Speaker 1: He was at about ninety.
Speaker 2: One pitches I want to say, so it was likely
Speaker 2: that he was going to go out for the seventh regardless,
Speaker 2: didn't get the first guy, second guy strikes out, Kyli
Speaker 2: got Shioko with a slider, and yeah, like Kevin said,
Speaker 2: it was a very it was an awkward moment that
Speaker 2: I don't want that to overpower what a surreal, monumental
Speaker 2: moment this was for Sandy. I think that's more important.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we can talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 2: But just looking back at the trade made in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: just two months after Bruce Sherman buys the team, that
Speaker 2: trade was made for Marcelo Zuna to get Magnar Sierra,
Speaker 2: Dan Costadno, Zach Gallant and Sandy And like I wrote
Speaker 2: in my story here, if they got if Michael Hill
Speaker 2: knew that Sandy would become half of what he's become,
Speaker 2: he would be ecstatic.
Speaker 1: So just to see the trajectory.
Speaker 2: In the growth of this young man, this young flamethrower
Speaker 2: from the Dominican Republic turned into a sayan Award winner
Speaker 2: and cumulate the many strikeouts, but he's not really a
Speaker 2: strikeout picture. Breaking Alaska is much more of a strikeout
Speaker 2: picture than Sandy is it's just awesome to see him.
Speaker 2: Let I was there in the in the prespect for
Speaker 2: that moment, and yeah, there you go. The scoreboard malfunction.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a malfunction from what I understand, there was
Speaker 2: just it was confusion on what to do and when
Speaker 2: to do it. And it's unfortunate, as Tommy Hunt said,
Speaker 2: little things like that mean a lot. And you know what,
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen in City Field, that does not happen
Speaker 2: in the Oracle Park, that does not happened in Fentway Park,
Speaker 2: And who knows the next time we're gonna have a
Speaker 2: dipig of a moment again in that ballpark.
Speaker 1: But they had it and they blew it.
Speaker 5: Yeah a click note on, like when that moment's going
Speaker 5: to come again. No, Alasko held the record for almost
Speaker 5: fifteen years, he said it originally in twenty eleven. I
Speaker 5: put this briefly on the site in only surpassed just
Speaker 5: now with Sandy. The only reason why he surpassed it,
Speaker 5: given especially his pitching style as you mentioned, is because
Speaker 5: he signed.
Speaker 6: An extension with the team.
Speaker 5: He would have been a free agent two years ago
Speaker 5: if not for that, so we would have been gone
Speaker 5: coming off with Tommy John surgery before even making his
Speaker 5: return from that. Nobody's going to break that record unless
Speaker 5: they sign another extension with the team. Unless somebody else
Speaker 5: spends more years than is currently prescribed based on their
Speaker 5: team controlled their pre arb and arbitration years, that.
Speaker 6: Record is safe.
Speaker 5: But really the only threat right now on the horizon
Speaker 5: would be Yuri, and Yury is seven hundred behind him
Speaker 5: something like that. So and even with him, I think
Speaker 5: he'll need to get unless these times an extension with
Speaker 5: the team, which is possible at some point, Sandy's gonna
Speaker 5: hold that record in several others for a very long time.
Speaker 7: Isaac, the slots don't make you excited. Deal or don't.
Speaker 7: No deal doesn't make it excited.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, I've made my comments about the in
Speaker 2: game presentation well documented. I can't say anything more or
Speaker 2: I get in trouble.
Speaker 4: But they can do. They can do as many deal
Speaker 4: or no deal as you want. When the guy that's
Speaker 4: number is going to be retired in center field, and
Speaker 4: there's no he should be. He is the most this franchise,
Speaker 4: it should be up there no matter what, and then
Speaker 4: it's a perfect moment for quite you know, outlets like
Speaker 4: John Boy when playing's asking the crowd to get loud.
Speaker 4: When the greatest picture in franchise history just breaks a record,
Speaker 4: it's a perfect storm, like you're gonna get set up,
Speaker 4: You're gonna get made fun of it. Unfortunately, that has been,
Speaker 4: you know, getting more light on. It's been more light
Speaker 4: online than Sandy breaking that record. And then you have
Speaker 4: Sandy walking around the mound, super awkward. No one knows
Speaker 4: what's going on. I watched it back and I'm like,
Speaker 4: the only word I had Unfortunately, it was just it
Speaker 4: was a little embarrassing that that guy has given so
Speaker 4: much this organization and you had a whole inning at
Speaker 4: the very least to be like, okay, if you strikes
Speaker 4: out of grash Joga, there it is, put it up
Speaker 4: on the scoreboard, and that's happen.
Speaker 7: And the worst part about the whole thing is that
Speaker 7: if you walked into that stadium that day, you wouldn't
Speaker 7: know what was going on. No, you wouldn't know that
Speaker 7: this guy was about to do something that that hasn't
Speaker 7: been done for fifteen years. You wouldn't have known. You
Speaker 7: wouldn't have known. The day before they promoted the Tartan Army,
Speaker 7: they ways, the ticket packages. They do a whole rundown
Speaker 7: of the ticket packages, pregame. But Na Sandy, Yeah, he's
Speaker 7: just there. He's pitching al Cabayo. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's do that.
Speaker 7: Nobody would have known. Nobody would have known. I think
Speaker 7: more people would have shown up to see it. Honestly,
Speaker 7: regardless of what day it was. There should have been
Speaker 7: a better job to promote this. They promote all this stuff,
Speaker 7: the ticket packages, the Tartan Army, the Flann against Fest,
Speaker 7: all the in game bullshit, no offense, and then you
Speaker 7: don't promote the one guy who matters to this organization.
Speaker 4: They had notice to promote the Tartan Army. They had
Speaker 4: a bunch of plaid whatever on the end, the draphic
Speaker 4: on the inter they had over a week players in
Speaker 4: the history of this franchise is about to break the
Speaker 4: all time strikeouts record, and there's not a word.
Speaker 2: And and with the what went wrong in the inning
Speaker 2: is that it's not like it was a surprise.
Speaker 1: It was going to happen that day, and it's very easiest. Okay,
Speaker 1: if this happens in the middle of an inning, let's
Speaker 1: do this. If this happens to end the inning, let's
Speaker 1: do this. They were.
Speaker 2: It's just and like Kevin said, like I mentioned somewhere else,
Speaker 2: guys like you could have been so come out to
Speaker 2: Lone Deepot Park and watch Sandy Etch's name in Marlin's history.
Speaker 2: But nothing not of the word. And then Tommy Hunt's
Speaker 2: getting mad that all the fans don't know. Yeah, some
Speaker 2: fans should know, but you know, there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: old people and then they don't know shit. There's a
Speaker 2: bunch of young kids in there that don't know shit.
Speaker 2: You can't expect the fans to just know that when
Speaker 2: there's zero mention of it. I believe Jerey Tesha mentioned
Speaker 2: it one time before the game started that Sandy has
Speaker 2: what no one's listening because the acoustics in their stink.
Speaker 1: It's just a bad bad.
Speaker 7: I look at you know, I look at the rays.
Speaker 7: I went to Tampa for that series. Every single game
Speaker 7: that series, they will run you down through everything you
Speaker 7: need to know about the game, not about the promos,
Speaker 7: not about the end game, games that are gonna happen,
Speaker 7: about the games, about the game, who's in the lineup,
Speaker 7: what's going on, who's on a hit streak? If there's
Speaker 7: gonna be a record broken. They even walk you through
Speaker 7: the other team. They tell you what the other team
Speaker 7: did the day before. They like, it's not that hard,
Speaker 7: it's not that hard to do that. It takes you
Speaker 7: all but ten minutes to do it before the game.
Speaker 7: I don't get it. I don't get it. I you know,
Speaker 7: I enjoy going to the games because I love baseball.
Speaker 7: I could care less about what they do with the
Speaker 7: in game promotion because it doesn't affect me in my life,
Speaker 7: and I sleep the same way I do each night
Speaker 7: regardless of they play slaughter deal or no deal. But
Speaker 7: I think for the fans that don't know baseball that
Speaker 7: much and want to go check out a game, that's
Speaker 7: not the way to do it. They had an opportunity here,
Speaker 7: a clear opportunity and awesome opportunity, and they messed it up.
Speaker 7: Oh and worth noting they made one tribute video for
Speaker 7: both Jake Berger and Skip Schumacher, the same exact tribute
Speaker 7: video it was. It was one It's not that hard
Speaker 7: to do one one day and one to the next.
Speaker 7: I understand that things didn't end the way people wanted
Speaker 7: to with Skip, but the guy took you to the
Speaker 7: playoffs for the first time in twenty years, in a
Speaker 7: full season. It could have been better. And he was
Speaker 7: a man too.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. No universe should skip and berger. The
Speaker 4: guys who have had incredible, incredible impacts on the twenty
Speaker 4: three team have the same length tribute video as Monte
Speaker 4: Harrison does. There's so many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did get a big one that was the
Speaker 1: same leg.
Speaker 4: Over in the playoffs. That's different. Manta Harrison made one sliding.
Speaker 6: Chuch has got a tribute video.
Speaker 7: He got a big tribute video.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, that's something, man. Because when here's my thoughts
Speaker 3: with Sandy real quick before we continue to move on this,
Speaker 3: I agree with you guys because this was a game
Speaker 3: he pitched into the seventh inning and finished with four strikeouts.
Speaker 3: Like the organization probably knew it was very likely to happen.
Speaker 3: But this, for me, it's about Sandy, you know, and
Speaker 3: and him getting his flowers because this is a player.
Speaker 3: As Marlins fans, we're used to turnover. We're used to
Speaker 3: the jokes. You know, we're a feeder team. You guys
Speaker 3: just keep trading, that's all. That's all I've heard my
Speaker 3: whole life is you're a fan of a team that
Speaker 3: trades away their best players for prospects, and it's a
Speaker 3: never cycle. Sandy wants to be in Miami. He wanted
Speaker 3: to be in Miami. He signed a contract extension and
Speaker 3: took a team friendly deal.
Speaker 6: He's seen multiple rebills.
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy has pitched, He's gone through Tommy
Speaker 3: John surgery. He went through last year at the trade deadline,
Speaker 3: and everybody thought he was going to be gone. And
Speaker 3: I would be willing to bet he thought he was
Speaker 3: going to be traded, and he was grateful and happy
Speaker 3: to stay. And he breaks the record at Loan Depot Park,
Speaker 3: a park he loves to play in.
Speaker 6: That's his home baseball park. I love that fact.
Speaker 3: That's, you know, you always want to do it at
Speaker 3: your home stadium, not on the road, Especially for a
Speaker 3: guy like Sandy that has pitched year after year and
Speaker 3: seen so much turnover, I mean front office changes, managerial changes,
Speaker 3: roster turnover. Sandy is the constant. And he did it
Speaker 3: in a game in which they won. They got the victory,
Speaker 3: and the Marlins are in position now with Sandy Alcontra
Speaker 3: where he is in his career and we'll talk about
Speaker 3: this later on, is they can make a run at
Speaker 3: the postseason and give Sandy a chance to pitch in
Speaker 3: meaningful baseball in September, in October. Remember in that twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three season, Sandy didn't pitch down the stretch. He
Speaker 3: got hurt, you know, and he didn't pitch in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that's always bugged him, and that's always
Speaker 3: rubbed him the wrong way. Is because he's a competitor.
Speaker 3: He wants to be out there, he wants to be
Speaker 3: pitching in these in these moments. And so with the
Speaker 3: Marlins playing as good baseball as they are right now,
Speaker 3: I can't help but think of Sandy pitching in September,
Speaker 3: pitching in October, and you know, and when it really matters,
Speaker 3: because he's pitched a ton for this organization. He's pitched
Speaker 3: a ton, but how many games have truly mattered in
Speaker 3: the grand scheme of things. Now they do, and it's
Speaker 3: great to see him break the record. And let's continue
Speaker 3: to see this team compete. That's what it's about moving forward.
Speaker 3: I got a touch on Auto Lopez Eli the guy
Speaker 3: continues to hit. I know we've talked about the All
Speaker 3: Star Case, but a big home run in yesterday's Mattiney,
Speaker 3: what is there left to say about Auto Lopez. Is
Speaker 3: he the franchise guy? I believe he is. Your thoughts
Speaker 3: on him, it just we got.
Speaker 6: To talk about it.
Speaker 5: He were halfway through the season. He's on pace for
Speaker 5: a seven war season by fangrass. I mean, that is
Speaker 5: on the short list of if he maintains this, of
Speaker 5: the best Marlin seasons ever for any player.
Speaker 6: Is an all round guy.
Speaker 5: I was just preparing an article on this for tomorrow,
Speaker 5: just about the fact that he's leading the majors and hitting.
Speaker 5: How often do guys that lead the majors and hitting
Speaker 5: halfway through the season actually win the batting title, And
Speaker 5: it's almost like a coin flip between whether they hold
Speaker 5: on or not. That's the power is fine, and the
Speaker 5: power is pretty much right in line with what it
Speaker 5: was last year. As you mentioned the home run and
Speaker 5: that being his longest home run by distance so far
Speaker 5: this year. The fact that he's improved the way that
Speaker 5: he has just was so many more finding so many
Speaker 5: more hits than he had even the year ago, continues
Speaker 5: to astound me. Overall. The consistency of something we always
Speaker 5: harp on having hits in every single series this year,
Speaker 5: like it's one thing just to play in every single
Speaker 5: series this year due to durability, and for him to
Speaker 5: not only do that but contribute in some way every
Speaker 5: single time every few days, it is, Yeah, we got
Speaker 5: to appreciate it for people that you're just looking back
Speaker 5: in the past few years. For as much as people
Speaker 5: appreciated Luisa Rise during his one full season here, Jazz
Speaker 5: Chism during his several full years, like this is a
Speaker 5: player that as an overall player, he's better than them.
Speaker 5: He's because he's doing it as a full time shorts
Speaker 5: up and as a good defensive shortstop at that and
Speaker 5: in addition to the fact that it's a little bit
Speaker 5: more power just as an overall player, it's checking all
Speaker 5: these boxes.
Speaker 6: And I thought it was going to.
Speaker 5: Fade a little bit quicker than it has. There's gonna
Speaker 5: be some regression coming. I don't think he's going to
Speaker 5: be a seven win player this year by fangrass Win's
Speaker 5: above replacement. But this has been absolutely fantastic, and it's
Speaker 5: he's made himself a lot of money in the future.
Speaker 5: I don't want to look too far ahead when it
Speaker 5: comes to that. By just saying that guys that have
Speaker 5: this kind of season in their career. A guy that
Speaker 5: I don't think people really circle as an extension candidate
Speaker 5: last off seasons, Beyonnest. There are other people that were
Speaker 5: more top of minds. And for somebody that was just
Speaker 5: a waiverclaim a couple of years ago, he with this
Speaker 5: half season alone, he's really dramatically like changed his entire
Speaker 5: career trajectory. So blah blah, LUs, you just got to
Speaker 5: be really happy for the guy to have done that. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: Forty two and thirty nine.
Speaker 3: That's the Marlins record as they head into Saint Louis
Speaker 3: for a weekend series. We're gonna preview that later on,
Speaker 3: but I do want to talk about these standings right
Speaker 3: in front of in front of us. If you're watching
Speaker 3: on YouTube, you see the Marlins are a game and
Speaker 3: a half out of the third and final wildcard spot. Now,
Speaker 3: it's important to note this that Saint Louis Cardinals team
Speaker 3: in the middle comfortably above five hundred. They are six
Speaker 3: games over at this point. They're not supposed to be here.
Speaker 3: The Cardinals were not supposed to compete. The Cubs were,
Speaker 3: of course, the Phillies were. But if you look at
Speaker 3: these teams in this graphic year the Nationals Cup two
Speaker 3: and a half out, they were expected to be bad.
Speaker 3: The Pirates have played good baseball. Why not the Marlins.
Speaker 3: That's what I say, as the Marlins have really made
Speaker 3: me believe again because I started to count this team
Speaker 3: out once they got seven eight games under five hundred.
Speaker 6: It wasn't looking good now. As Kevin noted earlier, this
Speaker 6: team has holes, especially at third base.
Speaker 3: And I do believe that if the Marlins end up
Speaker 3: in a wild card, put in a wild card position
Speaker 3: at the end of the year, it will be because
Speaker 3: they made moves at the deadline. So I want to
Speaker 3: get your guys' thoughts early. I know were a month away,
Speaker 3: but it's still it's exciting, it's baseball. It's fun to
Speaker 3: talk about. Where do you stand regarding the Marlins and
Speaker 3: how they hand their prospects and how they handle acquiring
Speaker 3: major league ready talent to help this team right now,
Speaker 3: not just down the future. I'm gonna start with Isaac.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that if this question was being at
Speaker 2: let's say that the Miami is a game and a
Speaker 2: half like they are right now a third wildcard spot,
Speaker 2: and there were three teams ahead between them and the
Speaker 2: third spot.
Speaker 1: I don't think you see them being that aggressive. But
Speaker 1: the fact that there is.
Speaker 2: Only that one team in San Diego that is between
Speaker 2: them and the Cubs, they might still be a little
Speaker 2: bit hesitant.
Speaker 1: But I think that if you're in this situation in
Speaker 1: mid July to late July, you have to be aggressive.
Speaker 2: Now does that mean trading Thomas White for two months
Speaker 2: of Aboheno Suarez, No, of course not. However, I do
Speaker 2: think that Miami has some pretty attractive options that they
Speaker 2: could make available or dangle in front of some teams
Speaker 2: that are sort of where we thought Miami would be,
Speaker 2: like where Pitt's for Washington Cincinnati is.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can buy some of those assets, those win
Speaker 1: now assets that they have.
Speaker 2: Look that David Peterson's already traded, has a self begun
Speaker 2: in Queen's already. Maybe they have some options that Miami
Speaker 2: could use. So I'm not quite sure where they're gonna
Speaker 2: get that third base option. We know Matt Chapman has
Speaker 2: been mentioned it might be whove the Marlins to add
Speaker 2: a little bit of payroll right now, not sure, I
Speaker 2: don't I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 1: Miami would have.
Speaker 2: To add a lot more prospect capital in order to
Speaker 2: get them to pay off the remaining of his contract.
Speaker 1: So it is early.
Speaker 2: It's tough to see because it's just such a competitive
Speaker 2: National league. If this was the American League, we having
Speaker 2: a totally different discussion. But in the National League, there's
Speaker 2: so many teams that are being mid just like the Marlins,
Speaker 2: that I don't know how aggressive Peter Bennix wants to be.
Speaker 2: And that's me saying that, right like, as someone that's
Speaker 2: a fan that has no vested interest in this, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're gonna be a lot more disciplined than I
Speaker 2: would be. And I want to be sort of a
Speaker 2: little bit disciplined here because I'm not sure this is
Speaker 2: the year to do it. So that just worries me
Speaker 2: that Peter benn is even being more disciplined than I
Speaker 2: would be, because it's it's tough. It's not an easy
Speaker 2: call here, but I would be shocked if they're in
Speaker 2: this position and they don't unload at least a couple
Speaker 2: of future prospects for some win out moments, not just
Speaker 2: two months of rentals, but maybe some guys with cloat
Speaker 2: control controllable.
Speaker 6: Kevin, your thoughts.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're in a very weird spot where I do
Speaker 7: think some teams are now kind of beginning to fall
Speaker 7: flat or begin this, you know, fall down like the
Speaker 7: Gnats Pirates, kind of beginning to lose a little bit.
Speaker 7: So we'll see what happens there. Marlins are in a
Speaker 7: really good spot. And that's why I really think this
Speaker 7: is a huge series because you're going up against the
Speaker 7: team that number two wild card. I don't know. I
Speaker 7: believe they already played the Cardinals ones. I don't know
Speaker 7: exactly how that serious ended up working out for them,
Speaker 7: if they took the Serious or not. But at the
Speaker 7: end of the year, you look at how all these
Speaker 7: tiebreakers and all that stuff ends up working out, and
Speaker 7: we're talking about that in twenty three in the Marls.
Speaker 7: That's how they kind of ended up with the second
Speaker 7: wildcard spot because of some tiebreakers and they ended up
Speaker 7: winning one more game or something. But yeah, I'm very
Speaker 7: curious as to how they attack this. On the prospect side.
Speaker 7: We you know, we can talk about all the names
Speaker 7: that the Martins could acquire. Chapman Perettis, who knows, right, dude, No,
Speaker 7: but I really am curious to see how they do
Speaker 7: this from a prospect perspective. Clearly, Thomas White's not getting moved,
Speaker 7: that's to begin He's hurt, not really gonna happen, Not
Speaker 7: for Suarez, Sorry, Joe.
Speaker 3: Just crazy dude, And it was on my show That's
Speaker 3: the best fun two months.
Speaker 2: The Marlins were worse than they are now at this
Speaker 2: point last year, and this guy really said Frey Thomas
Speaker 2: White for two months.
Speaker 1: As far as it's just.
Speaker 7: I look at our at our top thirty, White smelling
Speaker 7: to Frank Lewis, Caaba, and Arquette all unfutchable from our
Speaker 7: current list from one through six, I think it's on
Speaker 7: touchable Kemp, Kemp probably untouchable.
Speaker 6: No, No, I'd move, I could move Camp.
Speaker 7: I don't ever want it. Just depends how they feel
Speaker 7: about the guys really quickly. Something I think it is
Speaker 7: worth noting though with Matt Chapman is that he does
Speaker 7: have a full note trade clause, so he would have
Speaker 7: to approve a trade to Miami. So it doesn't make
Speaker 7: it even tougher to acquire a guy like that, which
Speaker 7: is why I look at and I'll throw the name out.
Speaker 7: He's sat Petties of the of the Astros. He's on
Speaker 7: a one year deal. He has a team option for
Speaker 7: next season, so the Marlins decide, hey, that's it only
Speaker 7: this year. You decline the option, just like you could
Speaker 7: do with Sandy if you wish to do that, and
Speaker 7: he becomes a free agent and he's off for payroll. Uh.
Speaker 7: He's a right handed hitter, so obviously I believe helped
Speaker 7: against the lefties. He plays the position fine, clearly a
Speaker 7: huge help for the Marlins offensively. It's a bigger a
Speaker 7: big bat in the order there that you could add
Speaker 7: with some power. But if the Marlins are like in
Speaker 7: this current spot in a month or towards the end
Speaker 7: of July, I think you have to buy, like not
Speaker 7: full on buy, but you have to add at least
Speaker 7: a third baseman and a starting pitcher. I'm just more
Speaker 7: curious about how they attack this from a prospect perspective.
Speaker 7: How many guys are they willing to unload? And obviously
Speaker 7: I said that one through six in our top thirty,
Speaker 7: but that's gonna include Carson No Brant real soon. That's
Speaker 7: another guy I really wouldn't like to move. Although if
Speaker 7: it's a good offer, you have to consider. You have
Speaker 7: to consider everything on the table during a trade deadline.
Speaker 2: And remember these players not only prospects, there are assets, right.
Speaker 1: You want to sell high on a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: It's importantly you know, that's the whole. That's a secret formula, right.
Speaker 2: You want to if you're looking at two guys that
Speaker 2: you could really sell high on, Carson milbrien is one
Speaker 2: of them. Cam Canerello is another. Did we think going
Speaker 2: into the season that those two are blue chip guys?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 2: I think you circle those two names if they were
Speaker 2: get aggressive. This is all such mors hockey to talk
Speaker 2: about right now. But if they were let's say ten
Speaker 2: games over five hundred come late July and you want
Speaker 2: to get that big missing piece, those are two names
Speaker 2: that would circle.
Speaker 4: But I think that's an interesting rinkle, right because this
Speaker 4: is now year three of this you know manager they've
Speaker 4: had and then we haven't seen them by Yeah, we
Speaker 4: know when it comes to selling that they have no
Speaker 4: issue doing some of their best guys and you know,
Speaker 4: get great prospects in return. But we have not seen
Speaker 4: this this front office deal anyone that has played a
Speaker 4: big role to major league level or acquire someone that
Speaker 4: has been this ar of the major league level, so
Speaker 4: it'll be very interesting, which makes me think that Ben
Speaker 4: Mitch will be super resident this year. I feel like
Speaker 4: this is not like guys have said, this is not
Speaker 4: the year where they're going to go really all out.
Speaker 4: If it come, if someone comes to them for someone
Speaker 4: that they feel like, you know, a deal would make
Speaker 4: sense and it really pluge a position to need light
Speaker 4: third or another rotation piece, I could see it. But
Speaker 4: I think at this point and it'll be interesting because
Speaker 4: I don't know, we're I think everyone here is in
Speaker 4: the dark about how lenient they are to give away
Speaker 4: some of their top guys. Who knows if mill Brandt's
Speaker 4: you know, available to deal or not. Who knows how
Speaker 4: high they are on him or a guy like Cam
Speaker 4: Kinderella that matter. We don't know anything, so it'll be interesting.
Speaker 4: But I think if they are in the hunt at
Speaker 4: this time right now, probably a guy that's around, you know,
Speaker 4: not like a four A player like that, but someone
Speaker 4: that is maybe teetering that can help him out. Like
Speaker 4: you said, I God, that's control this year and in
Speaker 4: the future to position of need and real quick.
Speaker 7: We aren't talking about the possibility of that. Hey, they
Speaker 7: do exactly what they did last year. They trade a
Speaker 7: guy or two and they call it a day. They
Speaker 7: call up a couple guys from Triple A. They think
Speaker 7: those guys could contribute. Now, they keep doing what they're doing.
Speaker 7: That is a very possible chance. In fact, I think
Speaker 7: that's the most likely chance of it. They just stay.
Speaker 7: They make a deal or two trade who knows Bender
Speaker 7: and John King, who are probably your two best relievers
Speaker 7: right now, and that's it. You call it a deadline,
Speaker 7: you call it Josh White, You call up I don't know,
Speaker 7: Jack Rawlson, who's having a really good year we think
Speaker 7: could help you out right now, and that's it, and
Speaker 7: you get to a couple more prospects. I'm just extremely like,
Speaker 7: like they aint said this, this front office is not
Speaker 7: bought yet. They didn't buy. What they love to do
Speaker 7: is pick up these guys off waivers. So maybe that's
Speaker 7: another way that they could do it. And there's always
Speaker 7: guys off waivers at after the deadline because you have
Speaker 7: to make roster moves. Maybe that's something that they would consider.
Speaker 7: I highly doubt they do that, though, if they believe
Speaker 7: this team could compete now at least, you know, right now,
Speaker 7: in terms of, hey, let's make a push for it
Speaker 7: like we did last year. I think they very well
Speaker 7: could just stand pat and you know, trade a guy
Speaker 7: or two and get some more prospect capital. But even
Speaker 7: then then you're talking about next year and you're in
Speaker 7: the same spot. What the hell are you going to do?
Speaker 7: Because then you have so many prospects and so many
Speaker 7: valuable guys in the system. So it's a very curious
Speaker 7: way to look at this deadline.
Speaker 2: I do think that if they are, you know, let's
Speaker 2: say where they are now a month from now, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if John King would get He's making so
Speaker 2: little money one year deal, would it really be worth
Speaker 2: it if you're trying to like stay here.
Speaker 7: The way the things that people trade for these relievers
Speaker 7: at the deadline is is pretty crazy. Having a phenomenal year,
Speaker 7: you can never you know.
Speaker 2: The one thing working in Miami's favor is that they
Speaker 2: don't need to sell off anything because they are in
Speaker 2: a competitive specially if they want to have the leverage here,
Speaker 2: being remaining in the race would help them a lot.
Speaker 2: But in that scenario where that we see them imp
Speaker 2: had to try and still be competitive throughout the season,
Speaker 2: I don't see them training John King, maybe Anthony Bender,
Speaker 2: but guys that are making real money, Fucking King, it'd
Speaker 2: be worth more to them in the second half than
Speaker 2: whatever prospect you bring in.
Speaker 6: M hm. Yeah, because it's going to help you on
Speaker 6: a run you don't want to break up.
Speaker 1: And who else are you gonna use it against? Left
Speaker 1: handed hitters Kate Gibson and Andrew Ardi?
Speaker 7: Please right, I forgot about Andrew Ardi.
Speaker 6: Eli.
Speaker 3: Any thoughts on Bendix and the situation regarding the team's
Speaker 3: competitiveness before we move on to the Cardinals.
Speaker 5: Just one thing quickly and names bring up them. On
Speaker 5: the trade side. They do have one pending free agent
Speaker 5: no strengths asassion. That's Pete Fairbanks, and I think he's
Speaker 5: been pitching better of late, but also by no means
Speaker 5: it's the indispensable to this team and where they are, Like,
Speaker 5: I mean, that's I could just to keep in mind
Speaker 5: that they can still trade. I know that Bendix was
Speaker 5: a big reason why they brought in Fairbanks in the
Speaker 5: first place, and his value is not quite as high
Speaker 5: as it would be, but I think given his performance there,
Speaker 5: I think there's some team that would get something for him.
Speaker 4: At the deadline.
Speaker 5: That's just like one of those little marginal moves where
Speaker 5: if we're looking at how could this deadline unfold a
Speaker 5: lot like last year, he could be in that like
Speaker 5: Nick Fortez role or well Sands more like a Haesu
Speaker 5: Sanchez comp where Sanchez was just a guy where felt
Speaker 5: a little bit redundant because they had they really like
Speaker 5: their outfield situation at this time a year ago, and
Speaker 5: now they really like their bullpen situation. They have that's
Speaker 5: been such a strength of this team, and Fairbanks really
Speaker 5: has not been driving that ship.
Speaker 6: The way that we thought he would.
Speaker 5: So I mean that's a smaller consideration because it wouldn't
Speaker 5: be a big return going either way. But I kinda
Speaker 5: deep in my imagination, I could see a deadline where
Speaker 5: they mostly stand pat, with the exception of just dumping
Speaker 5: Fairbanks because he's gonna be a pending free agent anyway.
Speaker 5: So a lot of different directions that they could go
Speaker 5: with this though, And I hope for our selfish reasons
Speaker 5: as content creators, that they're more active than last year,
Speaker 5: because it's there's only so much you could say last
Speaker 5: year when they trade two little role players and nothing else.
Speaker 5: So I just hope it's they get creative and wind
Speaker 5: up in more interesting results come deadline time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could be a little more aggressive
Speaker 2: than last year, because this is at what point do
Speaker 2: you say, what the hell, a man?
Speaker 1: This is the year three. They just moved.
Speaker 4: Last year was not trading cal Quantrill.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the biggest uproar or discussion was around Quantrill,
Speaker 3: which should tell you everything if you're a Marlins fan
Speaker 3: about how quiet the deadline was, which is it's a
Speaker 3: fun time of the year. But yeah, the last thing
Speaker 3: I'll say is, I do think this Marlins team, if
Speaker 3: I had to guess, you know, sitting here a month out,
Speaker 3: I think their buyers if they continue hovering around five hundred,
Speaker 3: and I think they're going to be more active and
Speaker 3: surprising people. I do think Peter Bendix is going to
Speaker 3: surprise people with how he approaches this deadline, and that
Speaker 3: means buying the don't expect the top prospects to leave them.
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Speaker 3: the Marlins.
Speaker 6: Head up to.
Speaker 3: Go see the Arch and Bush Stadium. Heard us really nice.
Speaker 3: Never bend myself. It's on my bucket list though. Cardinals
Speaker 3: playing good baseball. The pitching, I don't know how they
Speaker 3: do it with the with the pitching staff they had.
Speaker 3: I think I talked about this before we previewed the
Speaker 3: first Cardinals series, and I said that was the weakness
Speaker 3: they're gonna face Dustin May, Andre Polante, and Kyle Lee Leehyuh.
Speaker 3: Dustin May, though phenomenal start his last time out. I
Speaker 3: think he pitched a complete game one hitter. I might
Speaker 3: be wrong on the stat line, but he was really,
Speaker 3: really good. This Cardinals seemed like we talked about earlier
Speaker 3: in the playoff mix. They're already talking in Saint Louis
Speaker 3: about deadline if you if you google Saint Louis, Cardinals
Speaker 3: are saying the biggest needs for the Cardinals at the
Speaker 3: deadline because no one expected them to be here, just
Speaker 3: like a lot of people didn't expect the Marlins to
Speaker 3: be this competitive. So it's an important series for both teams,
Speaker 3: very important that the Marlins go in and at least
Speaker 3: take two out of three. When you preview this Cardinals team, Nate,
Speaker 3: what stands out to me is a couple of things.
Speaker 3: Number One, the emergence of Jordan Walker and JJ Weatherhol,
Speaker 3: two guys who were question marks coming into this year.
Speaker 3: Weatherhol because he's a rookie and Jordan Walker because he
Speaker 3: sucked to start his career. He was really really bad
Speaker 3: and now he's an absolute beast. Those guys have led
Speaker 3: the charge offensively, and the pitching staff does just enough
Speaker 3: to get them where they are right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, completely agree. I mean, if you tore a lot
Speaker 4: of people in spring training that Jordan Walker and weather
Speaker 4: Holt will be leading this team, you probably think they'd
Speaker 4: be doing pretty poorly. But I mean those two have
Speaker 4: just been that good. Obviously, Jordan Walker had crazy prospect
Speaker 4: and draft pedialiy coming out of high school, and the
Speaker 4: guys really been putting together. Man, a lot of pop
Speaker 4: in that bad He's a really big dude. I've been
Speaker 4: playing a lot of outfield in the aging, but it's
Speaker 4: been working for him, honestly, feel good for a guy
Speaker 4: like that. And then weather Hold, the rookie who was
Speaker 4: just taking two yars ago in twenty twenty four or
Speaker 4: lest Virginia, has been amazing as well. I mean a
Speaker 4: lot of a couple of multi homer games, been playing
Speaker 4: rright defense and just honestly putting a lot the battle
Speaker 4: of the ball a good amount and k rates low.
Speaker 4: Walk rate is pretty low as well, So good good
Speaker 4: year for him so far. And then but the guys
Speaker 4: like Mason win if you'd expect to play a bit
Speaker 4: part of this team kind of been struggling this year.
Speaker 4: Large new part not really not a punch from him,
Speaker 4: and then, like you said, their rotation has been pretty underwhelming.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, if you want my honest opinion,
Speaker 4: I don't think this Cardinals team is that good. To
Speaker 4: be honest, they really don't move me that much outside
Speaker 4: of Walker and newpar who honestly are not before Weatherhole,
Speaker 4: And honestly, speaking from Walker, I'd like to see a
Speaker 4: little bit more out of him before I fully buy
Speaker 4: back into a guy like that, especially after struggling for
Speaker 4: so long like he did. So the Marlins two out
Speaker 4: of three from them back home in Miami, I don't
Speaker 4: think there's any reason why they shouldn't. I mean, they're
Speaker 4: facing I think they believe they face Polonte or polentever
Speaker 4: you say his name in Miami. So this team doesn't
Speaker 4: concern me that much. And the fact they're ahead of
Speaker 4: the Marlins the negative one run differential, I think the
Speaker 4: Wrongs intestioning pretty easily. I think with a highlight match
Speaker 4: going tomorrow, they have a perfect chance to take game
Speaker 4: one and then just tad one more and they'll be
Speaker 4: sitting pretty as long as the tarpsoft crowd in right
Speaker 4: field doesn't get to him. I think the Marlins have
Speaker 4: a chance to take this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with Kevin having departed early from the stream, I
Speaker 5: have to highlight myself old friend George Soriano, former Marlin
Speaker 5: who's on the Cardinals. He's been on the roster all year.
Speaker 5: He bounced around, for those that don't remember, off this offseason,
Speaker 5: constantly moving on the DFA train from the Marlins to
Speaker 5: I think the Orioles, to another team, back to the Orioles,
Speaker 5: and now to the Cardinals. He's been on there in
Speaker 5: the bullpen all year long era right around three a
Speaker 5: similar number of ending says last year when he had
Speaker 5: an eight and a half RA for the Marlins and
Speaker 5: was constantly getting sent down and was just awful. So
Speaker 5: keeping the ball in the ballpark more just doing everything better.
Speaker 5: It's you know, the underlying numbers aren't quite as good
Speaker 5: as the run prevention. But I did not see that
Speaker 5: coming with a George Soriano. I didn't think he was
Speaker 5: actually gonna be a legit contributor to contending team so far,
Speaker 5: And that's kind of that's one of the bigger questions
Speaker 5: with them. That's an advantage I think the Marlins have overall,
Speaker 5: like the Marlins bullpen more than the Cardinals one as well,
Speaker 5: And so for the Cardinals that's gonna be a big
Speaker 5: question moving forward is how much their bullpen hold on
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that have relatively short track records
Speaker 5: or inconsistent track records in the back end of games,
Speaker 5: you can this is a team that you can rally
Speaker 5: against in the later endings, So that's something to keep
Speaker 5: in minds. And overall, I kind of agree with a
Speaker 5: lot of those thoughts that Nate espouse right there where
Speaker 5: I think they are going to slowly come down to earth.
Speaker 5: That being said, this season has been smashing success given
Speaker 5: how low the expectations were. Their expectations for them, I think,
Speaker 5: generally speaking were even lower than the Marblins, and by
Speaker 5: significant margin. There's mostly one of the few teams in
Speaker 5: the NL that was not realistically in postseason contention. So
Speaker 5: for them, this has been just way so far exceeding
Speaker 5: I think even the most optimistic ideas for where they'd
Speaker 5: be and what is essentially a year one of a rebuild.
Speaker 3: Isaac, anything to add about the Cardinals series before we
Speaker 3: hit prediction time, No.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys touched on it that you know,
Speaker 2: obviously Saint Louis. I sure you touched on Jordan Walker,
Speaker 2: who I dude, I thought his career was over with
Speaker 2: Matt I just here to see the year he's having
Speaker 2: is so frustrating.
Speaker 1: I think Miami could have had him at one point.
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but he's
Speaker 2: hitting the ball as hard as he did as a
Speaker 2: minor leaguer, which is what made him such a blue
Speaker 2: chip prospect to begin with. So good to see that happening.
Speaker 2: Miami did take two out of three. This would be
Speaker 2: Max's second start against the Saint Louis Cardinals, who as
Speaker 2: he comes off the bereavement list for tomorrow night, our
Speaker 2: wishes with Max Meyer as well. You know, hopefully man
Speaker 2: I can take another two out of three.
Speaker 4: Year.
Speaker 2: This is a team that I believe is just overachieving
Speaker 2: a little bit, despite having such such some really nice
Speaker 2: young players on their roster that are probably going to
Speaker 2: be big leaders for a very long time, including JJ Wetherell.
Speaker 2: Is the team that is overperforming a little bit in
Speaker 2: my opinion. So I think that this is a big
Speaker 2: first series of a Big three city road trip that
Speaker 2: Miami has in a real part of the season before
Speaker 2: we get to deadline talk. So I think there's a
Speaker 2: series to be had. It might be this one. We
Speaker 2: shall see, but we know Bush Stadium is always a
Speaker 2: tough place to play. My personal favorite memory in that
Speaker 2: ballpark will have to be when Donnie refused to take
Speaker 2: or Sandy refuse to come out of a ball.
Speaker 1: Game with automatic button. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Looking forward to this series as well, happening before Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know it, you know fun.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to make it about me, but my
Speaker 2: it was on my birthday that I'll be hit that
Speaker 2: home run and I'm like, yeah, I was in the
Speaker 2: car outside of top forty two watching it like holy
Speaker 2: what woo?
Speaker 1: And and then Sandy didn't get to take it out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll focus on the Sandy.
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Speaker 6: This is prediction time. That's my prediction, But who knows?
Speaker 5: Quick overview of where we stand Jeremiah as a firm
Speaker 5: lead atop the standings. Every single series, we take predictions
Speaker 5: from our staffers, our other livestream guests, and our valued
Speaker 5: super subs. How many games Marlins will win? Who will
Speaker 5: be this series MVP, as determined by win probability added.
Speaker 5: A ton of people got points in the last series,
Speaker 5: expecting the Marlins to take two out of three, but
Speaker 5: nobody quite had it perfect. Sandy just eked out the
Speaker 5: MVP honors very well desermed for this past three games.
Speaker 5: So yeah, once again another three game series coming up ahead.
Speaker 5: I think I could get the music started whenever we're
Speaker 5: ready right there, And so yeah, whoever we want to
Speaker 5: start with Jeremiah, let's start with Isaac.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna say that Miami is gonna prevail here
Speaker 2: and win two out of three.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go series MVP. The best shorts up in
Speaker 1: the National League.
Speaker 6: Auto Lopez headed over to Nate.
Speaker 4: As much as I would like to say sweep, those
Speaker 4: are the second game in the last game. The Marlins
Speaker 4: pitching is unsure right now, at least one whole the
Speaker 4: game out of those, probably a Tyler FOLP star as well.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go passing it and say two out
Speaker 4: of three and a rare batch to that series MVP
Speaker 4: picked for me. I don't know how close that was
Speaker 4: last series, but Clayton said he's been shooting a lot
Speaker 4: of balls the other way, working a lot better at
Speaker 4: the play. A couple of cucks swings for the guy
Speaker 4: here's in the PFA record.
Speaker 5: And Eli, I'll ask you a little negative here. It's
Speaker 5: hard to believe that Ronald's have been this good for
Speaker 5: this long stretch of the season. But I think they're
Speaker 5: gonna lose a rare series in this case. Haven't been
Speaker 5: the same team on the road at all this year
Speaker 5: as they've been at home. So I'll have the Cardinals
Speaker 5: winning two out of three, and probably the silliest MVP
Speaker 5: pick of the entire season so far, I'll go with
Speaker 5: George Soriano revenge series that he pitches a couple high
Speaker 5: leverage innings for the Cardinals to help seal those wins
Speaker 5: and make the difference getting revenge on the organization that
Speaker 5: origently brought him to the big leagues.
Speaker 3: It's tough because those final two games. I still have
Speaker 3: a question regarding the Marlins rotation, Tyler Phillips, Ryan Gusto,
Speaker 3: bullpen game what happens, But I think the Marlins offense
Speaker 3: steps up in a big way. I don't trust the
Speaker 3: Cardinals rotation or their bullpen. I think the Marlins get
Speaker 3: a couple late runs eighth or ninth inning. It's gonna
Speaker 3: come down the wire. All games are close and give
Speaker 3: me Xavier Edwards. He's been cooling down. I think he
Speaker 3: has a big series, gets back on track. Ex is
Speaker 3: the MVP.
Speaker 6: Marlins win two out.
Speaker 3: Of three, and that is going to do it for
Speaker 3: today's stream. Of course, we will be back on Sunday
Speaker 3: to recap the Cardinals series, which again is the first
Speaker 3: of a three city road trip for this Marlins team.
Speaker 6: They're really good at home.
Speaker 3: They got to play good on the road to continue
Speaker 3: the thoughts of competing in this tough, close national league.
Speaker 3: But that's gonna do it for today, for Eli Sussman,
Speaker 3: for Nate Carsmer, I'm Jeremiah Geiger. Until next time, guys,
Speaker 3: stay safe and let's go fish.
Speaker 2: Yeah.