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Speaker 1: having that platform or going on Shark Tank is probably

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Speaker 1: has more gifts him, more emotional hutles than if he

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Speaker 1: bought the next company. And I was kind of on

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Speaker 1: a smaller scale. That's where I wished, I understand what

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Speaker 1: speaking Shark Tank, and during Shark Tank I was Actually

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Speaker 1: it was interesting. I had had uh after I sold

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Speaker 1: my agency, ended up having showing sc the idea and

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Speaker 1: after five year run, Mark Cuban came to me and

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Speaker 1: actually I was the first person who asked to be

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Speaker 1: on Shark Tank, and he made the pitch to me

437
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Speaker 1: to be on Shark Tank. And I felt I had

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Speaker 1: done five years in the entrepreneurial space and I want

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Speaker 1: something other. So I passed on. And I don't regret

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Speaker 1: it because I just felt I did the entrepreneur thing.

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Speaker 1: But it's just an interesting thing just with your background. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And so what's interesting too is that and most of

443
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Speaker 1: the sharks they're talking about other people's businesses, they themselves

444
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Speaker 1: don't have a quote unquote brand, Like Kevin O'Leary doesn't

445
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Speaker 1: have a brand. He invested in other brands. Damon John

446
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Speaker 1: built Fubu. I want to talk about just the word

447
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Speaker 1: brand because it's overused. When I was coming up, there

448
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: was no word brand, lifestyle brand, personal brand. This is

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Speaker 1: not a thing, you said. And you have built a

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Speaker 1: lot of other people's and companies brand, So how hard

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Speaker 1: is it to build a brand? And then you haven't

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, So you haven't built your own brand

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Speaker 1: to the level that you were able to build other

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Speaker 1: people's brands. Is there something there? What do you think

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Speaker 1: about all that built I have built my brand. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: it's just I always wanted more and bigger. You know. Interesting?

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Speaker 1: My podcast is is quote on brand. Of course you

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Speaker 1: can get it on Spotify or Apple or anywhere else

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Speaker 1: you netube. And the premise of the podcast I think

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Speaker 1: is interesting to your audience is that the way over

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Speaker 1: these book, every person, every celebrity, every athlete, every institution,

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Speaker 1: every religion, every movement is a brand today, every everything.

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Speaker 1: If you have a Facebook page of your brand, if

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Speaker 1: you're a politician, your brand. The Republican Party is a brand.

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Speaker 1: Uh ninepies, of course a brand. The Catholic churches a brand. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: every person is a brand in and the brand is

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Speaker 1: set of values. What is your value system? And that's

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Speaker 1: the premise of the show. Every week what I do

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Speaker 1: is for the first fifteen twenty minutes, I go which

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Speaker 1: brands are up and down during the week. You know

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Speaker 1: which it could be a celebrity, could be a company,

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Speaker 1: be a product, politician. And then I interview a big

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Speaker 1: iconic branding of themselves and you know, well, but it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: you're saying, but everybody can be a brand, I guess,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's overused. I think there are celebrities

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Speaker 1: that have a lot more money than I do and

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Speaker 1: are much more famous and more successful. They themselves are

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Speaker 1: the brand, but they don't necessarily have a brand. So

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Speaker 1: make that distinction, Like, does Jennifer Lopez besides herself have

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Speaker 1: a brand? Kim Kardashian does, well, she is just a brand.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to define A brand is a set

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Speaker 1: of value. So, for instance, when you decide to buy

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Speaker 1: a pair of Nike sneakers, you're saying, I vote for

484
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Speaker 1: their back. You're saying, oh, that's the patting on that is, like,

485
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Speaker 1: I like, just do what I like what they stand

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Speaker 1: for Jennifer Lopez, whether she has a product or not,

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Speaker 1: if you want to if you decide you like Jennifer Lopez,

488
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Speaker 1: you want to either follow her Instagram or listen to

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Speaker 1: her music, it's because you're buying into a value system.

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Speaker 1: I like that she sexy, like her music, her value system, right,

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Speaker 1: But that's different than Nike. That's different like Jennifer and

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Speaker 1: I think it's the same what I'm saying. You're confligating

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Speaker 1: tooth thing. I'm saying, No, I'm not talking about Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Aniston and when she does adds for a veto, and

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Jennifer Aniston is a brand, just

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Speaker 1: like Jennifer Lopez is a brand, just like Nike is

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Speaker 1: a brand, just like um Joe Biden is a brand.

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Speaker 1: But the distinction I'm making is, if you're okay, So

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston is a brand, She's not going to be

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Speaker 1: making money on that brand unless she's being paid to

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Speaker 1: do a movie, to be in a television show, to

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Speaker 1: market a that's what she's right. So it's different than

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston iced tea, which means you're buying what one

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Speaker 1: is you. Yes, one is you're using your brand to

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Speaker 1: endorse a product. The other is the brand in and

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Speaker 1: of itself. So if Jennifer Andison is selling nice tea,

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Speaker 1: you're still the reason the iced tea person is paying

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Speaker 1: her five million dollars because we think Jennifer Anderston's brand

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Speaker 1: essence of plopping on up of her iced tea adds

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Speaker 1: value to our brand. Right, but Skinny Girls not Bethany

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Speaker 1: for example, But it is. But you used your brand notoriety.

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Speaker 1: You were the first endorser of scant Girl. Now it's

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Speaker 1: bigger than Bethany. So but yes, so it would be

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Speaker 1: no different than if Jennifer Aniston, if she was the

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Speaker 1: one who launched Snapple ice tea. It's a bigger so yes,

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Speaker 1: So you used your notoriety, your platforms, your celebrity to

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Speaker 1: get skinny Girl out there. And yet if skinny Girl

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Speaker 1: did not become bigger than Bethany or beyond Bethany, would

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Speaker 1: not even the success in its truth. Okay, so college

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Speaker 1: or no college, where do you stand? You have daughters?

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand this day? And age on college.

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Speaker 1: No college. It's interesting. I had Gary VM my podcast

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, and he's been one of these

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Speaker 1: people that it is just I'm not the college for everyone.

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Speaker 1: I think a four year degree it's some bullshit college

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Speaker 1: versus four years spent working in the workforce. Because of

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Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier today, forty years ago, college

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Speaker 1: was a price of entry. Now, sir, the things if

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Speaker 1: you want to go work at Golden so I actually

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Speaker 1: want to work at certain corporate institutions, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to go through college and maybe a grand degree. And

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Speaker 1: so no college is not for everyone. And if you're

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Speaker 1: somebody that doesn't have great grades in schools and you're

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Speaker 1: not interested in higher education and the academia itself, get

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Speaker 1: the work. I agree. What about your mother? We talked

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Speaker 1: about your father. What about your mother and your father?

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Speaker 1: Like your parents and were they so proud and tell

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Speaker 1: me about I am blessed parents person of my father

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Speaker 1: where I lost seven or eight years ago as my

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Speaker 1: best friend. And it's interesting I talked about I took

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Speaker 1: over the business and we were able to scale it.

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Speaker 1: But he did the hard part. He started something from

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Speaker 1: nothing is the hardest thing and yes, even though when

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Speaker 1: I left there were a thousand people versus thirty people,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have done what he did grind it out

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Speaker 1: and in certain ways, and he when he was alive

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Speaker 1: and say the same thing. I had certain skills to

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Speaker 1: take into the excellent way, but he did. So we

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Speaker 1: came across the right journal. We were to hear about

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Speaker 1: all these horrible family business stories. You know, my dad,

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Speaker 1: he gave me so much rope and was my biggest supporter,

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Speaker 1: and I stand on his shoulders every day, and so

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be where I am. Would out my dad,

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Speaker 1: and I reckonized my mom. He was the soft theme

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Speaker 1: my family though he was like my Jewish mother. And

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Speaker 1: my mom, who I all a lot of my success to,

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Speaker 1: also was the one who pushed me. She was a

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Speaker 1: school teacher and she you know, I get punished if

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Speaker 1: I didn't get certain grades in school, and she was

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Speaker 1: the one who kind of like drove me, and she

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Speaker 1: was the toughie. And so between the two of them,

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Speaker 1: I got everything I need. My mom is still left

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Speaker 1: today ninety two. She's wonderful and she's still a painting

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Speaker 1: the ask but I love in the pieces and I

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Speaker 1: had great parents. I was very, very very fortunate. What

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Speaker 1: if now? So if someone's wondering, are they supposed to

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Speaker 1: be within an infrastructure, within a corporate infrastructure, or doing

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Speaker 1: what you did something pre existing or to be just

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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur Maverick, how does somebody know who they are?

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Speaker 1: People want to leave their jobs. The snow globe has

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Speaker 1: been shaken right now with this pandemic. So it's an

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Speaker 1: interesting time to not be stunted and to get on

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Speaker 1: some goddamn road, plant some seeds and make it happen.

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Speaker 1: I think the you know, the younger you are, the

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Speaker 1: easier it is to take chances. You know, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you don't have that mortgage or those

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Speaker 1: kids to pay for. So like if you're twenty five

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00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: or twenty six and you're in the job and you

579
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: have that thing inside mean, was that saying go out

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Speaker 1: and do it? Just fucking do it, you know, the

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Speaker 1: back of course of this that you know, and be

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Speaker 1: course of this computer that we're on here, and you know,

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00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: like the batris to entries. So you don't need a

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Speaker 1: research department, you know, you don't need a sales department.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many different things today that you

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00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: could do without a lot of capex that didn't exist

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Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty years ago. So when you're young is

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Speaker 1: the time to do it. Now. That doesn't mean just

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00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: blow your world up. You have certainly, but but the

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Speaker 1: younger you are and the less responsibility you are, the

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Speaker 1: more quote irresponsible you can be and I don't mean

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Speaker 1: that literally responsible, the more you could go out on

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Speaker 1: a limb and do things. So it's a It takes

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Speaker 1: an idea. You know. I had this show, Big Idea

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00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: where I view entrepreneurs on TV, and I needed everybody

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Speaker 1: from Bill Gates on down to somebody making cookies in

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Speaker 1: their basement, and the commonalities, the threads for success we're

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00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: studyingly consistent in no particular order. That's what the show is,

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Speaker 1: So go throws them at me. First of all, there's

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Speaker 1: no such stupid hardre like that. There's no hard one.

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Speaker 1: It's a hundred hour weeks. But as I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: if you love what you're doing and it's your baby

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00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: and it's your toy, it's not hard like there's nothing

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00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: you'd rather be doing. But wait, that doesn't mean just

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00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: sitting at a desk for a hunter. He means like

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00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: you're thinking about it. You're working at your strategizing at

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Speaker 1: the chessboard. This child the machine. The other thing is

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Speaker 1: you can't be afraid of failure. You talk to every

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Speaker 1: great successful, uber, successful person, CEO of celebrity for't your

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Speaker 1: fifty you know, corporate chieftain, entrepreneur, a billionaire, and they'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you about their failures. I used to get

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Speaker 1: motivational speeches and I used to do this little exercise

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Speaker 1: where I'd be on stage and I'd say, I talk,

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Speaker 1: I give you my failure ship and I said, I

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Speaker 1: want to just demonstrate something. And I'd say, I asked

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Speaker 1: them the audiences there are a single young woman in

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Speaker 1: the audience, and they said, yes, I bring mum by stage.

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Speaker 1: So let's do a little role play. Pretend you're at

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Speaker 1: a coffee shop and I'm gonna come over you and

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Speaker 1: I ask you if I can buy you a cup

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Speaker 1: of coffee? Yes, other date and I go over and

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Speaker 1: I say and when I asked, you say no, And

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Speaker 1: I go over that only to th up winnings don't

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Speaker 1: in Deutsche Hope I'm not being rude. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: buy you a drink. And she says no, and now

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Speaker 1: I soap back. I go back to my chail. I failed.

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00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: Guess what, I'm the worse than her. Yeah, I fail.

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Speaker 1: So you can't be afraid of failure. Not those next

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Speaker 1: great things are not gonna happen. So embracing failure is

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00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: a huge one. So surrounding yourself with people smarter than you.

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Speaker 1: If you're working for somebody, they've better be smarter than you.

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Speaker 1: If you're working next to you, they should be smart

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Speaker 1: than you. If they're working for you issues. That's not

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Speaker 1: that easy. It's not that easy to find a good team.

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Speaker 1: It's not that easy to find great people. You have

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Speaker 1: to take the time, stop the machine down which some

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Speaker 1: man's hurts the machine, to find the great team. And

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Speaker 1: he is the secret source beyond the toolbox of smart

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Speaker 1: driven how the roll of things we talked about, you

640
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: have to have this naive sense of entitlement. Why not

641
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: mean like not in a title entitlement. It gets a

642
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: bad rap. I don't need it in that way. Like,

643
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: for instance, if I want to run from there now,

644
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna tap me on the shoulder and say, Donnie Deutsche,

645
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: you should be the next. But if I said to

646
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Speaker 1: us solf. You know what. I love the city. I'm

647
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: from the city. I know I can raise money. A

648
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: great motivator. I had to run an organization. Why not me? Question?

649
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Let me go on a run from air. I know

650
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: because when we talked about earlier it was that level

651
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: of public. I can't put my family through until you

652
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: say that. And I'll never forget when I worked on

653
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: I mean not even why not me? It is me?

654
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: It is it? Remember, and here was another little carollary

655
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Speaker 1: to that that will give you the cahunas to say,

656
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: why not me? Or it is me? I remember I

657
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: got hired to work on Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in

658
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: ninety two, and I went down and I was going

659
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: to meet then the governor and his inner circle. And

660
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I remember the night before I was sitting at a

661
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Speaker 1: rib joint called Doze. And at the next table and

662
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't met most of these people yet was George

663
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Speaker 1: Stephanopolis and rug Ball, James carvill Uh staying greenber the post.

664
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Speaker 1: You know, the inner circle was going to be running

665
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: the world if he got like I remember, I was

666
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: over here in the conversation for about forty five minutes.

667
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: At the end, I set to myself. I don't know.

668
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: No genius is there, you know, And that was at

669
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: that me and I remember every time, other than Bill Gates,

670
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: I yet to meet the person that I walk away

671
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: from more Cuban. Many times there's different people where I go.

672
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, no genius there. Yeah, they're right, they're

673
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: dreaming there, hungry they were not, And there are no

674
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: geniuses out there. So when you put together the two

675
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: pieces of by the way, why not me or it

676
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: is me? And there are no geniuses out there. The

677
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: people are agreeing about are aspired to being you meet them,

678
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: they put their pants on once a ley. You put

679
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: those two things together. Now I agree, and most people

680
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: you will agree, do not work hard. Most people push

681
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: the papers around the desk, act like they're super busy.

682
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: But it's very comforting to realize that if you're working

683
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: your ass off and you're working smart, most people don't

684
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: work that hard. And anybody who works with me, the

685
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: people that succeed, they work hard. It's very very simple.

686
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: You're loyal, you're somewhat smart, and you work hard. What

687
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: have you done wrong? And this is a big question

688
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: mark that I talk about a lot, and I mentioned

689
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: this earlier. Now somebody's gonna say these are very high

690
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: class fuck up. And this is a lesson that I

691
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: want to talk about that might be valuable someday for

692
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: so many people. I monetized my company at a very

693
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: young age. As I said to you, I sold my

694
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: company for close to manage when I was at age

695
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: forty three. And that's great, And I did it because

696
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: I was a little bored and whatnot. But and since

697
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: then I've got to go after my passions in media

698
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: and television and doortan politics and all these other things.

699
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: But I often questioned how it would have scaled. You know,

700
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I sold it because I was bored with advertising for

701
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: SAE and I said, oh, building an advertising agency two

702
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: or three times or five times of size wasn't going

703
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: to turn you on. Also, pigs get thought and hobbs

704
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: get slaughtered. So as it pertains that one entity, you know,

705
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: you needed your pile. What I was ignorant of is

706
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I look back now and I see where the world

707
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: has gone and how the media's has changed. Oh what

708
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: could I have taken just that base, going on to

709
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: other things and built a full blown media empire? You know,

710
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: out I know somebody else with Gary's. He's the younger,

711
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: the version of me today, but the landscape is so different.

712
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: He's not spending his time just dealing with clients he gets.

713
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: So I got tired of service oriented nature, becausiness, not

714
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: understanding that the business the medium was going to come

715
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: from the business itself and I could have built. So

716
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: I often challenged myself in that, Yes, I've got to

717
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: do all these other things, but what would my life

718
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: had looked like? Because I always say to people, don't

719
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: sell for money. You can't go visit your money or

720
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, don't do it because you're

721
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: bored and you want to do the next thing, when

722
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you want that next challenge whatnot. But I wonder what

723
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: the challenges would have looked like had I not done

724
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: Now these are big time high class. Y has been

725
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: a devoted father, and if I wanted to be at

726
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: their games for thirty or I wanted to do pick

727
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: them up from school, I've been able to do that,

728
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: And what a luxury. And that's what you'd be thinking

729
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: about in your ninety not that you didn't weren't bigger

730
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: part of the media landscape. Yes, I get it though,

731
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: but I'm one of these people like you, and most

732
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: successful people are no matter what level of success they have,

733
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: they're still tortured souls, Like you're not sitting there. You're

734
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: not sitting here going oh that thing, Franko. And I

735
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: built this big skinny Girl brand, and I have this

736
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: kind of big media platform and made or I've done

737
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: all these tremendous you know, philanthropic things. You're just tortured

738
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: over the next thing you haven't done. You Actually, I

739
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: was gonna say, um, you just peaked probably seven years early,

740
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: because I just turned fifty. And it's not like I

741
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: care about the age and I'm not vain or anything.

742
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: It's more just like, what are we doing here? Like

743
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: I want to not be the golden goose that has

744
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: to lay every egg, and I want, you know, a

745
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: better quality of life. And I have an amazing relation

746
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: to my daughter, but it lacks a lot of balance.

747
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: So I think that what you're saying, well, you are

748
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: a life. What I know of your life is I

749
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: think you've naturally done that over the last three or

750
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: four years yourself. I mean, you're still working hard, but

751
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: you were manically driven, which made and goes back to

752
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: a lot of our early discussions to get you where

753
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: you needed to get to. I had no safety net.

754
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Even if you don't have any money, if you have

755
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: a parents, it might leave you a house or even

756
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: if you're poorer than I was. I had no safety net,

757
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: no parents, No one's gonna take care of me. I'm

758
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: in thirties, I'm alone. If this thing doesn't happen, Really,

759
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I'm working in a restaurant as

760
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: a you know, a cocktail, which is the rest of

761
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: my life. So I didn't know what was going to happen.

762
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: So what percent did you think that you are lucky?

763
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: And what percentage? Smart? Great question. Um, I don't know

764
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: how to bring the opposition, but I will say I

765
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: promise you that every person on your podcast, as you

766
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: talk to people say is that luck plays a partment,

767
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: But you make your own luck. I'm gonna give you

768
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: the cliche answer in that, you know, I could talk

769
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: about the lucky breaks I've had. I've tel that's some

770
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: unlucky breaks, you know. I could talk about a TV

771
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: show I had on MSNBC. A company was that was

772
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: raiding through the roof and was amazing, and the president

773
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: just didn't like my face, and it was that moment

774
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: in time and like, but that's the fucking world, you

775
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That's like and I can tell

776
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: you about my great breaks. You're didn't get bad breaks.

777
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: So whenever any successful person will tell you about all

778
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: this lucky thing happened to me. But it was the

779
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: residue of all the hard work and all the other stuff.

780
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: So you need good breaks. And some people are just

781
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: luckier than other people. They just are. It's just the world.

782
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: But it's the other stuff that gets you there, and

783
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: then the luck will come me. I wish I had

784
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: a more original, prolific answer, but that's it. No. I

785
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: think it's how you're navigating the car. The ship hits

786
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: the fan. But sometimes you can turn something really bad

787
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: into something good by the way that you handle it,

788
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: by the way you deal with it. How are they

789
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: handling what happens? Are they manic and they need to

790
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: talk about it twenty four hours a day? They need

791
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: to try to keep putting a band aid on it.

792
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: Do they sit back and cleanse the palette and just

793
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: take a deep breath and learn from it? I mean,

794
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to handle Something'll you an example

795
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: of another failure of mine. I wrote and started my

796
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: own sort It was scripted, but it was so off

797
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: scripted reality show on USA that work was called dumb

798
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: and it was. It was like a curb with Theoris

799
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: as I played a fictionalized version of myself. I wrote

800
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: it on the show. I played a scummy TV host,

801
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: like a Ward Polvich type TV host, and I had

802
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, a gay son, and I had I'm It

803
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: was I think the most. I'm stunned that I did it.

804
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: It was so well written, so well done. So the

805
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: problem with it was it was on USA, which is

806
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: a broadcast network, and it was a very high mind

807
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: the show. It just didn't get bored by Netflix or Apple.

808
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: And it lasted one season and was going And I

809
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: remember saying to people instead of like, okay, only last

810
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: one season, I got a scripted comment that I wrote

811
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: myself that I started on the largest tape in the

812
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: world and you did it and it was on I

813
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: agree that, okay, last five season, like I hit the

814
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: one in a thousand. Okay, maybe it's like writing a book.

815
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: Someone wrote a book, it's published people, right, It's like

816
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: a last and it was fucking brilliant and it was

817
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: really and I like, I hit that ball as hard

818
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: as I could fucking hit it. It needed to be

819
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: on an h FIOD each of our show them because

820
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: people could don't consume high minded shows when they're actually on.

821
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: They sween them. We know why people consumed it. It

822
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: just didn't get there. But I could have gone, oh

823
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: my god, my show was canceled, and this matter where

824
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: the versus no, look what I fucking did, but not

825
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: only that you learned from it and something else that

826
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: will affect I mean, that's what I thought of when

827
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: you just said that. And all the people you met

828
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: on your other show, the big idea you actually had

829
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: those conversations. If the podcast gets canceled tomorrow, I had

830
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: this conversation, like, I'm smarter and I've grown more as

831
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: a result that I am more. Importantly, you've given something

832
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: to your audience because your brand is accessible, fame and success.

833
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: In other words, that you because you were kind of

834
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: the every woman and you you play that and I

835
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: don't mean you play that fictitiously. It's like you're the

836
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: girl oh I would be sitting next to on a

837
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: bus and then all of a sudden you've got fame

838
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: and fortune. You made fame and fortune accessible to the

839
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: every person. And I went back to what I talked

840
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: about earlier with you, and that was, that's also the

841
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: problem you serve up because I'm gonna be the next past. No,

842
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And you know, oh you have to to

843
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: be as cute, funny and sassy. You don't have to

844
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: be Jenniferston's. You don't have to be this amazing actor.

845
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: You don't have to be this craftsman. You can just

846
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: be you would be famous and and and have to

847
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: build a successful company. It's full of gold. That's a

848
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: great point. It is so, but I'm saying, you know,

849
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: for you, what has to be very rewarding is the

850
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: amount of people that stop you go, oh, because of you,

851
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: I've tried it. So of course you have tried that.

852
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: So that's the real gift of this podcast is not

853
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: that you get to talk to people like me are

854
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: people much more than me, but that you get to

855
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: share it with people and just affect their world. And

856
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: somebody takes one little thing away from today what we're

857
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: talking about. That's a win for both of Exactly, they're

858
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: creating their own toolbox, as you said earlier, for their

859
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: own success. And there are different little pieces to the recipe. Definite.

860
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: You know, you're one ingredient to the recipe. So you're

861
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: getting we're all getting older. Are you vain? What do

862
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: you What relationship do you have to age and vanity,

863
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: which are two separate things. Great questions, Bethany. I'm really

864
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: enjoying this. Thank you, Ages. It's very interesting. I'm sixty three.

865
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: And what I've noticed is, and to your viewers who

866
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: are not watching this video wise, they're not gonna be

867
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: able to go, oh my god, you're great for sixty three.

868
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: You do look great, and you work out. I was

869
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: thinking of you today. I don't work out a lot,

870
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: and I was in front of your house on the beach,

871
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, Donnie's probably sucking a gym right now.

872
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it. It's interesting. I got into

873
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: working out years ago, and I in one of my

874
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: books Often Wrong, Never in Doubt, I wrote a chapter

875
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: called the Charles out the School of Management, which I'd

876
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: like to go into. When you walk into a meeting,

877
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: if you're really fit and you're buff or whatever, the

878
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: definition have been great shape or whatever like it said.

879
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: It says there's two signals that happened on the other

880
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: side of the table of person. This is a very

881
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: disciplined person because there are a few things we can

882
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: control of our life. It's one of the things I'm

883
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: not going to say. And the other thing is the

884
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: ship hits a fan of business me. I want to

885
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: know I'll compete the ship out of the other person.

886
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Now that's literally never gonna happen. But there's a strength

887
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: of confidence and if you know, and I've I've used

888
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: that in my life and it's become part of my

889
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: personal brand that it's kind of there's a people making

890
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: jump when I'm on more than Jella, always making jokes

891
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: on my god, you with my T shirts and are

892
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: you taking hd H whatnot, And it's it's just become

893
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: part of my self worth is feeling good and that

894
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: as it's helped me in the aging process and that

895
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: I will go and I'll meet people and I'll see

896
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: people my age and whatnot. You know, I'm not going

897
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: to compare myself to a twenty seven year old, but

898
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: if I could be the best I can be for

899
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: sixty three in every way, So I don't mind when

900
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: somebody says you look great for your age. And sometimes

901
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: people say that's a backhanded compliment. No it's not. That's

902
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: the best I can do. That's your age, that's my age,

903
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: and I want to be the most amazing sixty three

904
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: or old. I'm not going to be a forty year

905
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: old anymore. And you you have to come to terms

906
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: because what is interesting about age. I think everybody you

907
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: know in the forties is great, you know, early fifties,

908
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: you know what's you're heading towards sixty. You can't run

909
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: the numbers anymore and say, oh, I'm just a middle age.

910
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's it. You're either at the beginning of

911
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: the back nine or halfway through the back nine. And

912
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: you think about your kids and how old they're going

913
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: to be when you pass away. You count that math

914
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: twelve times. You can't do it different and it's sixty

915
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: three or how many great years do I have left?

916
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: And I say great, I can still work out the

917
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: way I want. I still have career options in front

918
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: of me and whatnot. But you also have to settle

919
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: it and realize that most of it is behind you.

920
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's a very sobering thought, like you know,

921
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: so what does that look like? And everybody I know

922
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: now at my age, they still want to work, but

923
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: they want to do it on their terms. And so

924
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: that's the you have to kind of find because you're

925
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: talking about sorry to interrupt you, you're talking about the

926
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: value of time forgetting the money. Now you're talking about

927
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: the true value. Yesterday, I was often tens of thousands

928
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: of dollars to go to some casino to do to

929
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: show up there and they think, oh, you just walk in. No,

930
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: that's my time. I bring my daughter, my makeup, my head,

931
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: fun that right there? You go time? And how is

932
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: that X amount of thousandaw was gonna change? It's utiles.

933
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: It's you learn there there's in economics is financial utiles.

934
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: There's money, and it's like what is the value of

935
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: that money versus and so that as you go further. Now,

936
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you want to sit and contemplate your

937
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: navel or just like the last thing I don't want

938
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: to do. I love when people say to me, how

939
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: do you not play golf? Oh my god, I would.

940
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play golf ald time I blow my brains out,

941
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's just not so I

942
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: still need to need drim You know why it's sixty

943
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: three and my starting. I start a podcast eight months

944
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: ago because I want to be in a conversation. I

945
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: love talking interesting people. I love talking about my j

946
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Fox and Dennis Leary and Hunter Biden and Joe Scarborough

947
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: and Co Walace and half Frankin and uh Stevenin and

948
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: all the interesting people have spoken to over the past

949
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: six or seven or eight weeks. And that's fun and

950
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: giving something to people where because it is teaching people

951
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: about branding in their own brand and their own personal brand.

952
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: And so yeah, do I need to do that, No,

953
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: of course not. But it just keeps you relevant, keeps

954
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: you other and like it turns me on. You know,

955
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: if somebody says to me, do you want to start

956
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: your own next business? No, because I know what that

957
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: takes at this To be honest with you, I know

958
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be great at it because there's so much

959
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: you have to do. You know, there's a there's a

960
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: tournament school like sucking money now, and that's as like,

961
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: what fucking money is the problem with having And I've

962
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: been very fortunate I've created wealth. Is that you're able

963
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: to say fuck you, like not I don want to

964
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: do that I feel like, like that's the problem. You

965
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: don't you can lose your driving it Well, you're just

966
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: valuing the money differently, you're valuing There's just it is,

967
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: there's so much required in starting that next thing and

968
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: starting the next business. That's why a lot of people

969
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: at later ages. It doesn't mean you can't be doing

970
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: great things and starting new things, but they're gonna take

971
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: on different forms that probably not going to be as

972
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: monetarily driven. Also, your risk curve changes. You know, for

973
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: me to start a business, and let's say, okay, I

974
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: was gonna have to invest X amount of dollars, I

975
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: don't know do I want to risk those dollars. So,

976
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, everything in your life curve. So one way

977
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: the question to your question about age is on the

978
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: vanity part, I want to look and feel as good

979
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: as because I'm always somebody. If I feel like I

980
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: look good, that matters to me. It's just that's it's like,

981
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's like what are we We are are

982
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: inside and we are outside, Like that's what where we're masks?

983
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: We're So I want my outside to look because that

984
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: makes my inside feel a little bit better. But the

985
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: age thing is like the age is tricky. You know,

986
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: you and you start to you know, I love that

987
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: when you're no longer. You know, the demo that all

988
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: marketers look for is eight to thirty four or or

989
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: eight to forty nine, or the oldest is four after

990
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: fifty four years old, nobody cares. Nobody fucking bucking me

991
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: cares what the funk I'm doing anymore? Like it's amazing,

992
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: I care. Okay, there's nobody's saying we care. He's gonna

993
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: buy a project because everybody wants the younger person who's

994
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: building your portfolio. So it's funny. So you start to

995
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: become And also now when you and I like are

996
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: not looking at TikTok and like, it's just like that's

997
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: where the world is, like you just there is. The

998
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: world moves on and you have to be comfortab where

999
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: you are in every set of life. So all I

1000
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: can be in every sense of the work, from a

1001
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: work point of view, from a health point of view,

1002
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: from bounding point of view, from a family point of view,

1003
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: is the best fucking sixty three year old of convenient

1004
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: that that's my agent. Well you're putting, you're saying everything

1005
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: is what you're you're putting in. You're getting out for me,

1006
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you brought up. We talked about the

1007
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: fitness thing. I have a brand called Skinny Girl. People

1008
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: think I work out. I don't exercise a lot, and

1009
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: it's funny and it doesn't matter whether I exercise or

1010
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: not as far as my weight to me because I

1011
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: can not depression. But I'm installar. I'm in pajamas. I

1012
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: stay home all the time. And I'll get to the

1013
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: point today. Don't Liz about you. People don't real about

1014
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: you that I never leave my house. It's been public

1015
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: and I never leave my house. So today was the

1016
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: day because it's the summer, and I said to myself,

1017
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: today's to day. I'm breaking the seal. I'm going to

1018
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: getting in the jeep, going to the beach and doing

1019
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: the beach walk. It sounds like nothing to everybody else.

1020
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: I was right by your house today. I took the

1021
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: hour beach. I thought I didn't park in the drive.

1022
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: But I love that I have that access that I

1023
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: always know there's no spot. I like that. I like

1024
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: that too. Out now because there's a public beach that

1025
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I can go to and I usually get a spot.

1026
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: But Donnie lives happened right near there, and if I

1027
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: don't get a spot, I'll go and then I see

1028
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: his his house and his dogs, and I can get

1029
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: a water if I wanted to get some fresh fruit

1030
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: cut up. It's great and I like that, but I

1031
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: don't use it all the time because I don't want

1032
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: to be that person. But today was the day that

1033
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: I said I'm checking that I woke up and I

1034
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: just did the walk and I feel better for it.

1035
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: I knew I was in a little bit of a funk,

1036
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: and I just it broke the seal. So for everybody

1037
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: who's not like sort of motivated the way that Donnie

1038
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: is where most people are, we all go through it.

1039
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: I do feel better for it. So tomorrow I'll be

1040
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: back on your beach and I might be parking your i'veway,

1041
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: But just do the best you can in the moment,

1042
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: is what I say. You know, all right. I've talked

1043
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: to um. You and I are similar in this area too.

1044
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of people who are successful

1045
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: and in quote unquote successful relationships. Now we don't know

1046
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes, but they've been married

1047
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: twenty years. It works as a dynamic, and so what

1048
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: do you think about relationships and your relationship to relationships.

1049
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I know you have wonderful kids, I've met them. You

1050
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: have a good have good relationships with your exes, which

1051
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: says a lot about you more than even being in

1052
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: a successful relationship in many cases. But what is your

1053
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: relationship to relationships and where? How have you weighed that

1054
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: in your mind? And what does that mean to you?

1055
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: Break down a few buckets of relationships. I think as

1056
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: far as a parent, I think I've been a wonderful

1057
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: relationships with my children as well. I have three daughters,

1058
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: and I gave myself a Burnaby high gree I think

1059
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: in friendships, I think I'm not great. I have. I

1060
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: have three of my best friends since first grade. I

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00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: have five of my best friends from college. These forty

1062
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: fifty year relationships. I think I've been a great friend.

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00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: I think it's a boss. I think I was an

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00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: incredibly compassionate, motive, vading, empathetic, great leader and kid very

1065
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: much about the people. I think I get great grades

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00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: there um the great I I still have an incomplete

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00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: on it is the romantic relationship. So I was married

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00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: twice right now, I've been in a relationship for a

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00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: few years. I haven't had that one forever relationship that

1070
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I can look back and say, oh, I've cracked that coat. Now,

1071
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: maybe that's not meant to be. That's what I'm wondering.

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00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: Do you really want that? Do you know? If you

1073
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: want that? We struggle with this. We'll go back to

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00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: the age thing. I do know that as I'm getting older,

1075
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: it is not elegant. For the most it's difficult to

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00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: be single. And in our social mix, it's like like

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00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: if I start dating when you know, the sleeping over

1078
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: the whole this, and also everybody's got their ecosystem. You

1079
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: have your ecosystem. It's a really difficulty. It takes a lot.

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00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: And the age thing is, well, Donna is describing me

1081
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: more selfish. As you get older, you have your own program.

1082
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: And Donnie has a very serious program, and he can

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00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: really only be with someone if they're going to be

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00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: on his program. And I get that, it's your program,

1085
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: you know. So it is so for instance, right now,

1086
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm in a wonderful relationship, but then it's okay, it's

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00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: the person's kids and my kids and all the stuff

1088
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: that comes with that, and so it's so I do

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Speaker 1: the best I can, and I certainly hope I don't

1090
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: want it to be alone, you know, as I get

1091
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: older and older and older. So we'll see if we

1092
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: can figure that out. Life partner that would be ideal

1093
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: life partner. You know, I'm not can take a lot

1094
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: of different forms. You know. It doesn't mean that's going

1095
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: to be married. It doesn't mean you even have to

1096
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: be living in the same house all the time. I

1097
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: think the older I get, the more I realized that

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00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: there are a lot of other car choices, just like

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00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: I've had children, and with my last child, my youngest child,

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00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: uh Daisy, who was amazing, she's fourteen now, and her

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00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: mom and I didn't get married. You know, we had

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00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: a kid like who fucking cares? Great caparents. We just

1103
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: were like divorced parents were we can go from the

1104
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: troma of divorce. I have gotten so much advice on

1105
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: this show just by asking this question and everyone's definition.

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00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: What I've come up with is what you're sort of saying,

1107
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: like the definition is not what it used to be,

1108
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: and especially for people like us, and it's not just

1109
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: a bullshit thing. We used to say it as a

1110
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: bullshit thing, like meaning maybe non traditional. Now I'm realizing

1111
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: that each person who has a very successful relationship, they

1112
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: give each other rope. They really give each other a

1113
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: long leash. Space works. And the common threat I've heard

1114
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: in successful people in successfu relationships is the space. I

1115
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to say to you, Like I

1116
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: now I am in a relationship and it's long distance,

1117
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: and I mean we're together very many nights a week.

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00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: But that in my mind used to be like, what

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00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: do you mean, Like you're supposed to be together all

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00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: the time. Here's the here's the dirty secret. That's actually

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00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: what we're right more naturally programmed for it. You say,

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00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: to anybody who's marrying right now, I'll give you the option.

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00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: You can be with you. You can't do this with grandfather,

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00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: and you can be with your spouse one week on

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00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: and one week off. No, you're right, the dirty everybody

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00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: who's been there, because who like who would want that? Like,

1127
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: like that's what you want? We will want somebody who's

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00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: over emotional partner, you know, a part and that we

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00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: could share our lives with, but we don't want to.

1130
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: But we don't know we wanted until we're secure, and

1131
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: we want it because we're not socialized that the kids

1132
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: growing up today are gonna have a lot more because

1133
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: we grew up and that was traditional. That was like

1134
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: what it was. It was wrong. It was there must

1135
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: be something wrong with you. And that's what I'm saying. Okay,

1136
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying. And my fiance is younger,

1137
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: and in the beginning that was counterintuitive to him. But

1138
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: when I broke it down and said, you have your

1139
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: pod with your kids, we have our pod with all

1140
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: the kids together. I have my pod with my daughter

1141
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: and we have our pod together. It's like four different

1142
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: pods and it works. So anyway, that's what I had

1143
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: to say about that rose and thorne. Not of your life,

1144
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: not including kids, of this business experience, this journey, not

1145
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, your business business is personal to you, but

1146
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: this whole journey, the rose and thorne, excluding the birth

1147
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: of your children, excluding those types of things, your rose

1148
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: and your thorn, the roses. And I gave you an

1149
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: example that right talked for those two people who I

1150
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: impacted you know earlier on. Of course, I run a

1151
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: big business, and because I built a business, and of

1152
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: course I've been in the media, I get to kind

1153
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: of touch a lot of people. What a gift if

1154
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: as a result of like, there's two gifts of doing

1155
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: this right now, the actual hour of enjoyable interactually a

1156
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: really smart person, and the other gift is, Wow, it's

1157
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: somebody out there right now is driving in their car

1158
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: or whatnot, and you are aye or us together somehow

1159
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: inspire them and giving them extra Like what a fucking gifts?

1160
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: So that that like, what what's fucking better than like

1161
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: what you talk about? You death thing? What like oh

1162
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: my god, that somebody just went home tonight and said,

1163
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, Donny Droit said this thing today and I

1164
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: might change the way I do this. And it's a

1165
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: strange river even't like what fucking great is that? The

1166
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: phone for me is I never feel successful, Like it's

1167
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: never like I've always tortured like I should be doing

1168
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: this or why am I not doing this? Or what

1169
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: like I beat myself up a lot and I wish

1170
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: I didn't do that as much that I do too.

1171
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: And that's very um honest, And that's the curse of

1172
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. That's who you truly are inside, and it's

1173
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: not something for those people listening. You'll know if you

1174
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: are you aren't doesn't mean you can't be very successful,

1175
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. That's the true there's a

1176
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: blessing in the cars. That is the true curse of

1177
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. There's a hunger and a fire, and you

1178
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: do struggle with it. Was that my carfer, I just

1179
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: I don't feel like a successor. And she looked at

1180
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: me and she kind of ran through my my doci

1181
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: a and are you aren't sucking drugs? And you're like

1182
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: what people aspire to be? And you know, it's like,

1183
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. You know, I feel it's

1184
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: not a sense a fordulance, which I can say. I've

1185
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: written two books, and I feel in the business and

1186
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: done this and done this, and I've been a great

1187
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: successful father and great amazing friends, and I've done these films.

1188
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: But it's like, what's what's that's what? Why am I

1189
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: not well? Because your biggest crescendo of your career, and mine,

1190
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: by the way, was in two your biggest crescendo of

1191
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: your career, even though you've done so many things that

1192
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: are more meaningful and rewarding and possibly more effective, it

1193
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: was a while ago. And I know somebody else I'll

1194
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: tell you offline, but somebody else who sold their company

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00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: for hundreds of millions of dollars when they were forty

1196
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: years old. And that's just gonna be the thing about

1197
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: that you needed to do it and it was the

1198
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: right move. But that is peaking early, and that were

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00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: your crescendo was massive. The wave crested, and you don't know.

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00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if lightning strikes twice, if it's going

1201
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: to happen again to that degree, and it might be

1202
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: somebody else's lightning. So I think that's what we go through. Donnie.

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00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: This was a pleasure, to say the least. And again

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00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: I know you, but this is knowing unit different. And

1205
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: now that I've come to your house, you're gonna have

1206
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: to come and be on on rand, Donnie Deutsch, and

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00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: come on and chat with our and share with the Orowinians.

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00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: He says. I mentioned against great people, but your dog.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Thanks than by the way, you

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Speaker 1: un absolutely kombucha. I like the kombucha red flavors. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you later. So that was a great conversation

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00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: with Donnie. I never know what to expect here, what

1213
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: we're going to get from someone, even from people that

1214
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: I lived down the street from who I already know.

1215
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: I learned so much each time, because when do you

1216
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: really ever take the time to really get to know

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00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: the inner workings of someone's mind as it pertains to

1218
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: business and life and success. So it was a very

1219
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: interesting conversation with Monny. I need to shout him out

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Speaker 1: and thank him because he has donated thousands and thousands

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Speaker 1: of dollars to be strong during times of crisis, which

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00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: I really appreciate, and it's one of the reasons I

1223
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: wanted to have him on because I wanted to let

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: you know that he has given back, goes to the

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Speaker 1: effort and keep listening and keep rating, reviewing and subscribing.

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00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm reading the reviews, I'm reading the ratings, and we

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Speaker 1: are doing incredibly well and we're getting phenomenal guests because

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Speaker 1: of your engagement and involvement. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening. Just Be is hosted an executive produced by

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Speaker 1: me Bethany Frankel. Just Be as a production of The

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Speaker 1: is Morgan Levoy. To catch more moments from the show.

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