1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Now that they have Guerrero under contract for fourteen years, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: there's a clear plan they're going to try to win 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: with him, build around him. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: Let's hit the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Ken your notes column fresh out this morning. I think 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: you saw it, probably I reply right away. I'm like, oh, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: I was looking forward to a notes column. I love 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: me a good Ken Notes column in the athletics. So 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: let's start with the minor league park side of things 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: and a little bit of what you wrote about there. 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Can you enlighten us well? 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: Scott? 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: First of all, I appreciate those kind words, and yes, 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: I wrote about mostly the A's park, Sutter Health Park 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: in West Sacramento, and how there have been some home 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: runs that have been hit with launch angles and exit 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: velocities that do not usually result in homers. So there's 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: an immediate concern there by some of the A's people 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: that this place is going to play pretty small, and 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: keep in mind it's not even. 21 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Warm yet, so. 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: That's one aspect. Then Tampa Bay, you saw over the 23 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: last couple of days what happened with the Angels hitting. 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: All those home runs. They had what six yesterday? 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: Four in one inning for the day before. Now the 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: Rays weren't hitting as many home runs. But that park, 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: which the Rays initially thought during their first homestand might 28 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: not be the. 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: Hitter's environment they expected. 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: Is now looking like it will be. And again the 31 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: weather has yet to turn really warm, so we're gonna 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: see how this plays out. But major League Baseball and 33 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: minor league parks, it's questionable has been from the start. 34 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: What's the choice? What other choice do they have? There's 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: no choice. 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: In particularly for Tampa Bay, there's no choice. And that 37 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: was the product of a natural disaster. 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: The A's had a choice. They could still be in Oakland, 39 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: they could. 40 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Still have gotten a stadium done in Oakland. There's a 41 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of things that could have happened, but this is 42 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: where they are for now, and again we'll see how 43 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: it plays out. These statistical sizes are still too to 44 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: really make any huge judgment, But as I wrote, the 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: A's are expected to call up a pitcher who's a 46 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: sinker ball or JT. Gin in the next day or two, 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: maybe to join their rotation because he's a sinker baller, 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: and they're already thinking we need guys like this. 49 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: Need the ball on the ground. It gets hot out there, 50 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 4: so it's gonna get warm too. But the other looming 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 4: part of this what about the playoffs? Neither of the 52 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 4: We haven't heard any plans of if either of these 53 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 4: teams make the playoffs, because contrary to what maybe ownership 54 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: is doing, the players want to win, and the players 55 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 4: want to make the playoffs. Is there any new leeway 56 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: and to say where they would play? 57 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything yet, Eric, And my guess is 58 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: baseball feels that Listen, this is a problem we don't 59 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: need to address just yet. It's not a situation where 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: the playoffs start tomorrow. 61 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: Now. 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: If we get to September, even late August and either 63 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: or both of these teams are in contention, oh it's 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: going to be a talking point, no doubt. And the 65 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: question for the playoffs is not so much how the 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: park would play, but capacity. These stadiums told what twelve 67 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: thousand people or so, and the media areas are not 68 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: very big at all, especially at Sutterhealth Park in Sacramento, 69 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: what I understand. So there are all kinds of issues 70 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: that would arise if indeed these teams were in contention, 71 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: but we're not there yet. 72 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: Ken, Let's stay American League and Talk Blue Jays. You 73 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: wrote another article about what's next for them? So what 74 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: do you think is next for them? And specifically, if 75 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: you can mix in there, do you think there's a 76 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: chance that Bobaschett really happens. I felt like for a 77 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: while the thoughts were this guy's going to free agency. 78 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: Vladdie is the key target. It almost feels like they've 79 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: got a little momentum now, and also Bo probably recognized 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: the size of the paycheck. 81 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: I would agree that maybe the chances of signing Bashett 82 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: are higher than they were I don't know three months ago, 83 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: but it will take two to tango, and while both 84 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: sides have said the right things, we'll see. 85 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: How it develops. 86 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: I can't see it happening during the season because look 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: at how long it took them to get Guerrero done. 88 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: It seemed like forever and it was years in the making. 89 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: So I don't see bobaschev being this many months away 90 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: from free agency just. 91 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: Saying hey, let's do it right now. Now. 92 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: What could develop, and I mentioned this in the story, 93 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: is that he's a shortstop at a time when most 94 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: big market teams, most heavy spenders, are set at shortstop. 95 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Things can always change, of course, and the Braves are 96 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: one team in particular that might be looking at shortstop 97 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: in the offseason, and Boba Shed of course Alexanthopolis would 98 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: be familiar with him, although I think Biship came after 99 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: Anthopolis was gone from Toronto. 100 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: But regardless, the Braves could be one team. 101 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: But what happens if Bishett doesn't get the market that 102 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: he expected, sort of like Pete Alonso this offseason, could 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: then he circle back to the Blue Jays the way Alonso. 104 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: Did with the Mets. 105 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: Now when you ask me what's next for the team 106 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: in general, Scott, I've be critical of them for I 107 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: don't know a year or so for seemilarly not having 108 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: any kind of plan or direction. Now that they have 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: Guerrero under contract for fourteen years, there's a clear plan. 110 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: They're going to try to win with him, build around him. 111 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: They'll have opportunities to do that. They've got money coming 112 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: off the payroll this year's significant money, money coming off 113 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: the payroll next year as well as significant money in 114 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: that case, so they're going to have opportunities. And with 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Guerrero there, it seems to me that they'll have a 116 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: better chance with free agents because teams will see, Okay, 117 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: Vlad's there, we know what's going on, and eventually we'll 118 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: get some resolution on what exactly their front office is 119 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: going to look like. Remember Mark Shapiro, team president in 120 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: the last year of his contract, Russ Atkins general manager 121 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: with another year after this, and that's been something too 122 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: that I would imagine players have had questions about what's 123 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: this team going to look like from a management perspective. 124 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: So we'll see how it all plays out. But the 125 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: Jays now, in my view, are in a better place 126 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: with Guerrero than they were with all this uncertainty, with 127 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: the possibility of losing Guerrero and Bisheff for just draft picks. 128 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: That would have been a calamitous outcome and it's not 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: going to happen. 130 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 5: There's always been this ongoing talk about sho Heo Tani, 131 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 5: Babe Ruth, you know, who's better player all these different categories. 132 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 5: Now my question to you is we're talking about shoe 133 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 5: Hao Tani, the pitcher. Who's going to have more you know, 134 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 5: innings pitched? You know, once it's all said and done. 135 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: Well, if I'm not mistaken, show Hayes at around four 136 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: hundred and Babe Ruth, was it about twelve hundred? 137 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: Is that right? Guys? 138 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Yep, Yes, I'm on in the rough range. 139 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So that means Show has got to pitch eight 140 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: hundred more innings in his career. He's probably a guy 141 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: who is not going to average more than one hundred 142 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: and fifty over the course of his career if you've 143 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: being that much. 144 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: So that's five or six years of pitching. 145 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure shoeeo Tany is going to get to 146 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: Ruth's level with the innings workload that he is probably 147 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: going to be under. So I would bet Babe Ruth 148 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: if I had to guess right now, I just don't 149 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: think Joey is going to pitch that much. 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That's our exclusive ft 168 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: link harrys dot com slash foul for a three dollars 169 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: trial set. 170 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: Can you tell us what time of year you're gonna say? 171 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 4: You know what? Maybe the astros are cooked? Is it 172 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: gonna be September twenty eighth? When Ken Rosenthal finally says, 173 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 4: you know what, this wasn't the Astros year because you 174 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: said on your show yesterday, Yeah, you said a fair territory. 175 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 4: You're like, I can't count them out? Ever, wellever could happen? 176 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: Ever's a long time, that's true. 177 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but last year when there was seven and nineteen 178 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: or even before that, I remember writing something along the 179 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: lines of is this the end, and the underlying theme 180 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: was yeah, I think it might. 181 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: Be the end, it wasn't the end. 182 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: So therefore, even though the Astros have lost Tucker and 183 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Bregman and Presley, the culture there is so strong. I'm 184 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: not about to count them out. 185 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: And no one should. 186 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: Considering their success since twenty seventeen with the cheating or 187 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: not even post scandal, they've. 188 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: Been really, really good. 189 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: So there's something there with them that has endured over 190 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: the years, a culture that has basically led to winning. 191 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: So yes, I won't say I won't count them out ever, 192 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: but certainly if there's an X next to their line 193 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: in the standings come September twenty eighth and they're eliminated, yeah, Eric, 194 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I'll count them out then. 195 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: Nop. That's good timing at that point. So we'll wait. 196 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: We got a little time in between now and then. 197 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: Where do we think the Cubs are going to be at? 198 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: So you wrote in your notes column about the nine 199 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: and six record, but what's impressive about it in your mind. 200 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: That the schedule has been so difficult for one and 201 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: after this trip to Los Angeles and San Diego, Dodgers 202 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: and Padres They've got the Dodgers for two more games 203 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: at Wrigley and then by April twenty third, they're going 204 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: to be done with the Dodgers and Padres. 205 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: That's a good thing. 206 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: Both those teams are really good. And the other thing 207 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: that has been good about the Cubs so far, and 208 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: again it's really early and it's too early to pass judgment, 209 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: but offensively they lead the National League and runs per game. 210 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: That was a sore spot for them last year. They 211 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: were middle of the pack offensively in the National League. 212 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: So we'll see if it continues. We'll see if they 213 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: sustain it. But with Kyle Tucker there, it seems like 214 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a better offense, no kidding, that 215 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: was what was supposed to happen. 216 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: What about the Orioles rotation depth? Where is that? Where 217 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: is that going to come to fruition at because they 218 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: have some pieces, But I don't know the timeline for 219 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: Tyler Wells. I don't know the timeline for Bradish And 220 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 4: is it going to be too late by the time 221 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: those guys get back. 222 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: Bradish and Wells notun till after the All Star break. 223 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez, who knows every year, there seems to be 224 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: mystery surrounding when he's going to pitch again. Kyle Gibson 225 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: eventually will be ready. They've got some other pitchers, Trevor Rodgers, 226 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Chase McDermott also on the end list. These guys are 227 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: lesser contributors, at least that's the expectation, but their bodies 228 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: and their pictures, so they could enter the equation at 229 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: some point. But like Scott was saying earlier, I've got 230 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: the same question about them, and I've had it for 231 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: a while now, the rotation and will it be good 232 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: enough in a rugged division at a time when they've 233 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: got all of these young position players taking another step 234 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: forward or at least having the potential to do that. 235 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: And you guys mentioned Kobe Mayo, and that's a really 236 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: interesting case. And the Ools fans saying our system's not 237 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: as deep are right. 238 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: It's not as deep as it once was. But here's Mayo, a. 239 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: Guy who most likely is going to end up at 240 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: first base, could play third, but he's not going to 241 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: play third for the Oriols. 242 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: That's where Westbrook plays. 243 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: So that's a player, a prospect, top one hundred guy 244 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: that you could still build a package around for any 245 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: picture that might be available at the deadline. I'll confer 246 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: it a right on down. 247 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: So will they move him, I don't know. 248 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: Maybe they feel he's the guy to replace Ryan Montcastle 249 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: in a year or two. Mant Castle has one more 250 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: year after this. But you can't just win with young players, right, 251 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: and you can't hold back when you have a clear 252 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: need and an opportunity to make some noise, not just 253 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: in the division, but in the playoffs. So Mayo is 254 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: going to be the next interesting test case for them, 255 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: whether they hold him or not. 256 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: I want to go a little bit Rockies action here. 257 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 5: They got a couple of prospects they just brought up, 258 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 5: Chase Dollander and Zach Veen. Think they were brought up 259 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 5: a little bit too soon or is this just the 260 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 5: way Rockies are going to be working now this year? 261 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: Well I wrote about this today in my notes Colin Todd, 262 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: and it's. 263 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: An interesting thing. 264 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: You never want to rip a team for calling guys 265 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: up and trying to win games. That's what we've been 266 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: screaming about for years regarding service time manipulation, and no 267 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: one is in favor of that. But with Donander and Veen, 268 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: if they stay in the majors the rest of the year. 269 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: They were called up early enough where the Rockies would 270 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: lose a year of club control. They'd have them for 271 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: only five more years instead of six. Should they have waited, 272 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: I think today's the day in which you could have 273 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: waited until a guy gets called up to have that 274 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: extra year of control. You could certainly make the case 275 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: that that would have been the wiser move, the more 276 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: coherent move. But again, I'm sure their argument would be, hey, whoa, whoa, 277 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: we're trying to win and you're ripping us, or. 278 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 3: You're criticizing that. 279 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily criticizing it, but I'm just pointing out 280 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: that all they have to do is wait a little 281 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: bit longer with Donander in particular, and they would have 282 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: been clear with that year of club control. 283 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 4: All right, Ken, this is what this show's about. It's 284 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 4: about an opportunity for players to get back at reporters 285 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 4: when they say things that we do that are just 286 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: you know, you didn't agree with. So we're going to 287 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: run a little clip of what you said about what 288 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: AG and I said, and I want to hear your 289 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 4: rebuttal from it, or your continued support of what you 290 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 4: and Alana thought the s n Y. 291 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 6: Broadcast went bananas. Obviously a benefit of the New York Mets, 292 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 6: but they were like, this is just elemental stuff. You 293 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 6: don't bring in the infield in a basis sloaded situation 294 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 6: when you have a slugger at the plate. I was 295 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 6: watching that game the other day, kid and the corsess 296 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 6: and why I was going crazy about it. What is 297 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 6: your take on this? Because AJ and Eric don't necessarily 298 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 6: agree with me, but I don't understand the defensive alignment here. 299 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: There's one out, You've got a chance for an ending, 300 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: ending double play, and I believe they intentionally walked the 301 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: batter before to set that up. So Gary Cohen's point was, 302 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: why are you doing that to set up the double 303 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: play and then not playing for the double play. The 304 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: other egregious part here was the positioning of the center fielder. 305 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: He was like a short fielder in softball, and naturally, 306 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: when Alonzo crushed the ball the left center it went 307 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: way over his head. 308 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: So I'm with you, Alana, their dorks of the week. 309 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: I heard what AJ and Eric said, and I understand 310 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: their point, And actually Eric was saying, Alonso runs hard 311 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: to first is beating out a few double play balls 312 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: already this year. But I'm sorry that to me, was 313 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: not the right percentage play, which was the argument AJ 314 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: and Eric were making. All right, let me be clear, Eric, 315 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: you and AJ were. 316 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: Not the dorks of the week. 317 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: It was the Marlins that Alana selected as the dorks 318 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: of the week. And I would say, in general, as 319 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: you stand there with your arms crossed, reasonable men can 320 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: disagree about baseball strategy, and that's all. 321 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: This is where reasonable men were disagreeing. 322 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 4: I would agree, and I think the only person that 323 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 4: really should be arguing about infield in there is the 324 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: third basement in shortstop thinking, oh my gosh, Pete A 325 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: Lonzo is way closer to me. But I agree with 326 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 4: the situation that what McCullough did, what Clayton McCullough did, because, 327 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 4: and we talked about on the show, you have a 328 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: tough time scoring runs. You're down by one run, and 329 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 4: obviously if the infield was back, they still wouldn't have 330 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 4: caught that one hop rocket off the left centerfield wall. 331 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 4: So you're looking for that out at the plate to 332 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 4: be able to keep the game close for an offense 333 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: that doesn't do too much. So that's that was my situation. 334 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: I've got no problem with that rational and it's flip 335 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: a coin in some degree with that. But what about 336 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: the center fielder? 337 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: Hello, what do we do? 338 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: I left? I left that out my ball. 339 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: And throw out the guy at home. 340 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, no, that was not that was 341 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: not good. The center fielder, they have their cards and 342 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: they pull the card out and they go, really, is 343 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 4: this the same Pee Alonzo like, he just hit the ball. 344 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: He just one handed the ball out to right field, 345 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: which Gary Cohen had said last week, these balls look 346 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: juice if peed Alonzo's hitting that ball. So maybe maybe 347 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: that I can one hundred percent agree the center fielder. 348 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: He might have just been lost, but that's okay. Centerfielder 349 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: don't know where they're going all the time. 350 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: Todd, you're you're the last one of this argument this week. 351 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 5: I would have had the middle and field back. 352 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I would have. There's been four of his 353 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 4: twelve ground balls with runners on first and second or 354 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 4: first first and second double play opportunities. He is only 355 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 4: grounded into one double play in that situation, he's beaten 356 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: out the other three. 357 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 5: I would had corners up kind of halfway and middle 358 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 5: back for sure. 359 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, good with you, Ken. 360 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: Good stuff. Discussion. 361 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: That is a good discussion. I like that's a baseball 362 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: That's a good baseball debate right there. That's why I'm 363 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: glad they brought it up on the broadcast. That's a 364 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: good stuff, especially early in the season like this, when 365 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: you know the games matter, but we want to get 366 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: into the intricacies. Anyway, Ken, have a great weekend. Where 367 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: are you this weekend? 368 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: By the way, no game for me this weekend. 369 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: I'm off there you go, enjoy a real weekend for Ken, 370 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: all right. 371 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: Part time. Ken, have a good weekend. 372 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: Enjoy see it Fair Territory. Of course Monday next week 373 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: and Thursday, you'll have a very fresh can I love 374 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: that so fresh? AJ is really at his freshest when 375 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: he has an off week from he can't work his games. No, no, 376 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: you'll s Gale get the same from Ken. He's really 377 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: bringing it on Monday and then of course on Thursday 378 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: as well with Alana Rizzo. That show is live on 379 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: the Fair Territory Live feed on the Foul Territory YouTube channel. 380 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 7: AJ. 381 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: It is time for people to get some new clubs, 382 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,479 Speaker 2: and to do that, they need to go to their 383 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: local PXG for a fitting right. 384 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 8: No doubt. I was there today. I've been there before. 385 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 8: Last time I was there, they gave me this killer gap. 386 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 8: I you look at that sweet spot, Scott, it is 387 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 8: worn out. That is right in the sweet spot right there. 388 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 8: So I went and got it. New clubs today, new irons. 389 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 8: But more importantly, I got this bad boy. I got 390 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 8: me a new putter. This is my old putter. 391 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 7: It's on order. 392 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 8: Yes, that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter. Now I'm 393 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 8: going to the Allen putter. They talked me into it 394 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 8: because I was draining some putts today. Bob, the guy 395 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 8: who helped me out, he helped me with my irons. 396 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 8: He got them teed up perfectly. But then we went 397 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 8: to the putting green. I was draining them putts because 398 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 8: that's the most important part of golf. 399 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: PCHG fittings are fun. Schedule you're fitting today, as you 400 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: can hear from AJ For a limited time, you could 401 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: save up to twenty percent on your entire order. Head 402 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 2: over to PXG dot com slash foul that's PXG dot 403 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: com slash foul to save up to twenty percent on 404 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: your entire order. PXG dot com slash foul restrictions apply 405 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: see site for details. All Right, that's it our Friday 406 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: Arena club conversation. I really like this question, and I 407 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: want to give immediate props to Daniel Murphy, who I 408 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: called a game with the other day and who has 409 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: come up with this question and asks almost every baseball 410 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: fan who will finish with more career innings pitched? One 411 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: has already finished, obviously, the late great Babe Ruth He's 412 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: in the twelve hundred range, and Shoho Tani's in the 413 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: four hundred range. Who will have more innings pitched? 414 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 4: It's not even close. I don't think it'll be close 415 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 4: to either, fab Fabor, George. 416 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: George Heurman, Georgie Herm. I don't. 417 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 5: I mean the guy he's not pitching until the second 418 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: half of the year. 419 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: I mean thirty. 420 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 4: He's thirty. 421 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: But let's say he pitches six more seasons. 422 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 4: That's what that's what you think, six with internal bracing, 423 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 4: Tommy John whatever, second surgery, six more seasons. You don't 424 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: how many innings he's averaged in one hundred and sixty 425 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 4: two game season, like his his average, and he's never hit. 426 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: This seventy eight. No, I mean in one hundred and 427 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: sixty two game season per how many innings? 428 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 4: Says average one ninety one hundred ninety innings. Now that's 429 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 4: an average for one hundred and sixty two. Never doing 430 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 4: that again, he's never he's never reached that. Yeah, I'm 431 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 4: saying if he pitched healthy his thirty two starts, that's 432 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 4: what he would get out to. He's never made thirty 433 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 4: two starts twenty three, twenty three, twenty eight, so he's 434 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: always going to be under twenty eight. Now he's with 435 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 4: the Dodgers of nineteen first, you know, number one starters. 436 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 4: They don't need to push him. 437 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: I don't want him doing that. And it's a good thing. 438 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: It's a compliment. Hey, dude, we want you for the 439 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: good stuff. We don't need a first half of fifteen 440 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: starts out of you. 441 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 4: Right, Let's say they get one hundred and thirty innings 442 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 4: out of every year for six years, it's only seven 443 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty innings. He's short, he's well short. 444 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ruth was. 445 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: If you look up Babe Bruce pitching, it was like 446 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 4: he like had like a dare when he was thirty eight. 447 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 4: They go, you won't pitch again, he's like, all right, 448 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 4: one start nine innings hot dog again, Yeah, hot Dog 449 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 4: probably a dinger. So those numbers will be cool once 450 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: show hey gets to like thirty eight. Oh wow, baby, 451 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: Bruce started when he was thirty eight through a complete 452 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 4: game or through nine innings out and know if it 453 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 4: was a complete game. But you sit there and you go, 454 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 4: this is not it's just not gonna be close. One, 455 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: it's a different era. Two, his value as a hitter, 456 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 4: if it even like ticks down a little bit because 457 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 4: he's pitching. They're gonna be like, say, you don't want 458 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: to how about making him like a reliever. Can't take 459 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: him in and out of the game. The schematic or 460 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: the the the like actual fat like whatever's gonna happen 461 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: with a lineup? Yeah, you bring him in, he's dhing. 462 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 4: You take him out, then your. 463 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 2: Then your picture's got to hit whatever it is. 464 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: Well, you lose. Who cares if the pitcher has to hit, 465 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 4: but you lose. 466 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess you're right. 467 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: Twelve twenty one and a third for babe. There's the 468 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: kaboom card, by the way, twelve twenty one and a 469 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 2: third for him, and that's on Arena Club Shoeo. Tani's 470 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: at four eighty one and two thirds. 471 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 4: See he doesn't get injured. 472 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: I think he'll get close, but I don't think he's 473 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 5: gonna overtake. 474 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: For me six seasons. Let's say there's six more seasons 475 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 2: of pitching. I'm going on an average, we're gonna get 476 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: about one hundred innings, So that's six hundred innings, So 477 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: that gets him to a little over one thousand. Like, 478 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: it's not crazy that he could do the only thing. 479 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: He's gonna get one hundred innes No, about one hundred 480 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: like this year, for example, Is he gonna get to 481 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: one hundred innings this year? 482 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: I don't see that. 483 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: Think about this for the next five years. The Dodgers 484 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: are gonna be really good. Right, we're pretty confident in that. Okay, 485 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: so there, they got to get through the regular season, 486 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 2: but they're probably gonna make the playoffs. Can you make 487 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: a case that they're mostly gonna have him geared up 488 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: on a year by year basis for the second half 489 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: of the year, Like, do you think it's worth a 490 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: full season of Otani pitching next year, for example? Or 491 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: do you think that is too much wear and tear? 492 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: And we have no modern evidence of how to play 493 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: this out. 494 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: Nobody knows. Only Shohey knows what he feels in the 495 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: seventh inning of a game when he hits a triple 496 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: that he's starting, and he has he has been through 497 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 4: two injuries now to arm surgeries. He has to know, Okay, 498 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 4: well this is really wearing on me this way, so 499 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 4: maybe we're gonna have an issue. Is it possible that 500 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: they want him to start all year? The only reason 501 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 4: they would is because if they shut him down part 502 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: way through a year, or they start him slow, he 503 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 4: could be like, man, I just never got up to 504 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 4: feeling one hundred percent, so it could be like he 505 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: could he could be a start eight days off start. 506 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 4: It's really all about I don't see him ever throwing 507 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 4: getting thirty starts. I would even say I don't ever 508 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 4: see him getting over twenty five starts in the regular season, 509 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 4: maybe twenty with five postseason starts. 510 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: Okay, so twenty times five is one hundred. 511 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. He did go. He did go deeper into games sometimes. Yeah, 512 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 4: that's why that's why I came up with my one 513 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty. I had about twenty to twenty two starts, 514 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 4: six innings apiece. I'm right about one hundred and thirty. 515 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 4: He's still short. He's still short, and that's okay to me. 516 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 4: The Dodgers paid seventy million a year. 517 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: For him deferred deferred. 518 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: They also but they also have to for the entire 519 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: ten years of his contract or six years if he's 520 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 4: pitching for six years, they have to figure out another 521 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: piece of their rotation because he can't throw every five days. 522 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 4: So it's not like they have to spend some more 523 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 4: money and they're gonna do that that whole time. They're 524 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 4: gonna always have to figure out even with Yamamoto in 525 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 4: there and now Sasaki and there, guys that just don't 526 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 4: pitch every five days. They're just completely geared to pitching 527 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: every six to seven days or six man rotation with 528 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 4: Hey using that off day now it becomes like a 529 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 4: seven man rotation. 530 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a once a week guy. Otani. That's what 531 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: all of them do. 532 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 4: I think all of them will be, And that's okay 533 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 4: because they're built that way. 534 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's funny, what if Otani wasn't on 535 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: the Dodgers and it was a team that's got to 536 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: win at the margins. It would make things very interesting, 537 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: and you'd get angry baseball fans or at least of 538 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: that team, being like, we need to pitch him more. 539 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: Why are we slow playing this. I'm saying, he's fortunate 540 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: that he's on a team that during the regular season 541 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 2: does him to make that many starts right away with 542 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: a lot of things. 543 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: Okay, sure, I'm trying to think who would be on 544 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 4: like that. 545 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: Would tons of teams fit that mold the cub but 546 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: actually Mariners that would have gone after him. The blue 547 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: Jays went after him on the flight. But I'm saying, 548 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: if he was on the Blue Jays right now, have. 549 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 4: More endless cash than you would think. I understand his 550 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 4: high in the league. 551 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: Let's just pretend he's on the blue Jays right now. 552 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: This is a different storyline, not just this year. I'm 553 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: saying over the next several years, because they're like, we're good, 554 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: but we're not auto playoff good, and that makes it 555 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: tougher to manage him and his innings. You have to 556 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: go off what he wants. But he wants to do everything. 557 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: He wants to play, he wants to pitch whatever. They're 558 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: trying to work with him on making sure that he's 559 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: going to be ready for October to be able to 560 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: do both, because that's where he's most fat. But he 561 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: could be a one and he could be the best 562 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: are in the sport. So nobody deal sorry about it. 563 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 2: Let's run aj Prazinski's we'll clip on this too. 564 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 7: One two hundred and twenty one and a third. 565 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: No chance he's getting there, No chance. 566 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 7: For eighty one and two thirds. 567 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 4: Noe, fay, Ruth. 568 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 8: You think he's gonna be eight hundred more innings. 569 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 7: In eight years, you know, And I'm gonna go into more. 570 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 7: I'm going, Ruth, not close. 571 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 4: I think, I don't I don't know. 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