1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. Histories were 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello everyone, 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: I am Ben, and we are both suffering from some 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: kind of cold. I'm not sure what it is. I 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: think we've been working a little too closely on these episodes. 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Been maybe, yeah, because we both got hit with the 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: same viral thing. Um, whatever it is, it's constricting everything 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: above my neck. So yeah, sorry, that's not really Look, 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: that's not a transition. Guys listening to this, We just 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: we just want to let you know. That's why we 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: sound a little weird, speaking of fantastic segues. Right, Well, 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: you know one thing that is funny is that whenever 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: one of us is under the weather, um you know how, listeners, 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: when you are under the weather and you have a 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: sword throat, you notice that you get the batman boys. 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not wearing hockey pads or whatever that 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: line was. But yes, today we returned to you, having 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: narrowly avoided Death's door and still not quite up to Uh, 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: we couldn't we couldn't wait to get back onto the 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: podcast and to talk about a subject that was fascinating 23 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: from the moment you introduced it, Matt, And this one 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: is something that you came up with. Could you give 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: us an introduction here? Sure? This week we've been looking 26 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: at suppressed energy. We started with Tesla, one of our 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: oldest videos, and we're really interested in the subject because 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: this seems to be energy and electricity and the gathering 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: of it seems to be one of the most important 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: things that exists for humanity. Um, your computer, like the 31 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: computer that just made that noise, it would not be 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: here if we couldn't efficiently get energy somewhere and store it. 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: Uh Okay, So this A lot of people know about Nikola, Tesla, 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: A lot of people know about Thomas Edison. There are 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: a lot of big names out there, sure, yeah, But 36 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: there are people who wanted to try different unconventional ways 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: to harness energy, to deploy energy to the public. And 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: one of these guys his name was Thomas Henry Moray. 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: And you may have heard of him, but probably not, 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about him today. Yeah. So who 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: was Thomas Henry Murray Will He was born in August 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: in eight let's both high five, Matt. You and I 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: were both born in August, not of ee, not of 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: e two, as far as we know. Uh So, Mr 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: Murray graduated the Latter Day Saints Business College. He became 46 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: an engineer, getting a PhD via correspondence courses at the 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: University of Uppsala, and uh for decades he was tinkering 48 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: with these ideas of alternative energy, following the lead of Tesla, 49 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: who was one of his personal inspirations. So this is 50 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: huge for me. As much as we admire Tesla right now, 51 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: imagine if you were not necessarily contemporary, but you know 52 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: you're aware of Tesla, and you're aware of his research, 53 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: and it's kind of current, and you're like, oh man, 54 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: how can I expand on this, especially if you were 55 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: bright enough as this gentleman apparently was. Right, that's all 56 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: now we have to get. Also, you'll notice as we 57 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: go forward that we are putting in a healthy dose 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: of apparently allegedly's and reportedly uh So. In sometime in 59 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, Um Murray began demonstrating what he called 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: radiant energy device to various people. Yeah, okay, so this 61 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: thing is kind of interesting. It's a solid state detector, 62 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: at least that's what they called it. Um. He he 63 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: termed he coined the term a Moray valve. And okay, 64 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: so here, let's just go through how it works. Been 65 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: so allegedly it stimulates this is kind of weird, stimulates 66 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: oscillations that are already existent in the radiant energy from space. 67 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: So the energy that's coming in from the Sun, um, 68 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: other stars that just exists out there, from the ionosphere. 69 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: That idea of harnessing that radiant energy that's just there. 70 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the the that idea of energy, uh, 71 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: the idea of some energy from the heavens. He's not 72 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: the first person to do that. No, no, he's not 73 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: the last. But the oscillation thing then would be that 74 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,559 Speaker 1: this energy is coming to Earth from space in waves, yes, 75 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: and somehow being able to harness those waves. So he 76 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: he had a bunch of antenna that we're connected to 77 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: basically high voltage capacitors, uh, some semiconductors, some transformers and 78 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: I guess we'll look at this a little later. Um, 79 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: but it means that the device was allegedly able to 80 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: convert this ambient radiant energy into some form of usable electricity. Okay, 81 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: So if we think about the way that a hydro 82 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: power generator is able to harness the tides to generate energy, 83 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: right yeah, Well, in that case, you've got the physical 84 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: movement of waves, right right, yeah times. Uh. In this case, 85 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: you're dealing with something a little more I was gonna say, esoteric, 86 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: but harder to grasp. Yeah, if it's if it's real. 87 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: Uh So. One of the most popular tests that you 88 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: will hear about when you read about Murray or talk 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: about Murray is that this Murray valve apparently ran for 90 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty seven hours NonStop one time, generating 91 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: around fifty kilowatts of power, and it had no connection 92 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: to conventional power sources. This is a great bar story already. 93 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly. So here here's the crazy thing. Then 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: there were a ton of contemporary or at least a 95 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: handful of contemporary experts at the time that got to 96 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: take a look at this device and they said, okay, 97 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: well it's working. Something's happening. You're getting electricity. But they 98 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 1: couldn't explain how the heck it worked right. And these 99 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: were engineers, journalists, apparently officials from various UH companies like 100 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: Bell laboratories or government agencies like the Department of Agriculture, 101 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: and someone even according to Moray, disassembled and rebuilt the 102 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: device and got it working, you know, because it's a 103 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: solid state uh detector. So you can take apart these 104 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: things and then put them back together. If that is true, 105 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: that's an extraordinary test because you know, even even today 106 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: if you look on YouTube, where tear down videos are 107 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: so popular, that's really how you demystify stuff. But what okay, 108 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: so we said, we're going to go back more detail 109 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: on this device. So what what exactly were they tearing apart? 110 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: What is the Murray device? Or well, let's start with 111 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: what it was not, And what it was not was 112 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: a perpetual motion machine, or at least an alleged perpetual 113 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: motion machine. He even explicitly said that that was not this. 114 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: So okay, well, let's talk about what a perpetual motion 115 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: machine is. I guess right. Um, So, as far as 116 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: we know, that's not possible a machine that you could 117 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: that would not be connected up to any at least 118 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: known energy source, that would be able to create power, 119 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: some forum of usable work in perpetuity that we that 120 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: currently does not exist at least to our knowledge, and 121 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: it cannot exist because it would violate the thermodynamic laws 122 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: right for laws describing the characteristics of closed systems. Without 123 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: going too far into this um, the laws of thermodynamics 124 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: are some of the most well established laws in in 125 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: the in the world of physics, primarily because almost everything 126 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: we observe, pretty much everything we've observed so far, seems 127 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: to uh substantiate the existence of these these principles. Now, 128 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: we had an interesting moment because you and I did 129 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: a vlog earlier in the week on the types of 130 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: perpetual motion machines, whether someone has invented them or not, 131 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: and we had some great responses on YouTube, some some 132 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: of you, if you are watching our YouTube shows as well, 133 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: thank you. Some some of you raise some really cool 134 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: and interesting points with some stuff we want to follow 135 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: up on. One of the big ones we got that 136 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I want to address directly is um the notion that 137 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: the universe itself is a perpetual motion machine. However, the 138 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: tricky word here, as I think we say, is the 139 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: word perpetual, imperpetuity, forever, endeavor and ever. Amen. That uh 140 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: that from what we understand about the observable universe is 141 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: not is at least not going to happen with our 142 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: universe due to the um unstoppable build of entropy. Yeah, 143 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: you can't stop entropy, at least we can't do it yet. 144 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: That well, that's the thing there there with our universe, 145 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: at least our current models, there was in an insertion 146 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,359 Speaker 1: of energy, a energy, a point where the energy expanded 147 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: and if the Big Bang happened, if the Big Bang happened, 148 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: which is our currently our best model, uh, there was 149 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: energy input and it's going to go and move like that. 150 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: It's going to continue to grow and expand and then 151 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens after that. Yeah, if we want 152 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: to space out a little bit, I know this is 153 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: a tangent, but then we could also look at it, 154 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: um look at the universe from a bigger, bigger picture 155 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: than the Big Bang, and that would be like the 156 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Big Bang and then a big crunch, then another big bang. 157 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: So this series of oscillating universe, if you will universes, 158 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: I guess, or it's one big wave man, it's yeah man, 159 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: True Detective second season, please get here faster. Well, we'll 160 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: see what they say, uh, if they if they have 161 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: that wouldn't it be cool if Rust made a cameo. 162 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: Oh please. I don't think he can though, because it's 163 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: differ different time period. Okay, well, no spoilers. If you 164 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: haven't watched it, check it out. Uh without kids in 165 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: the room, dude, we should start getting paid to do 166 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, talking about shows that we yeah, 167 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: that I love. How do we do that? I don't know. 168 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: I feel like it's payment enough for us to do 169 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: it that way, because if someone was paying us to 170 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: say that we like to show that we didn't like. Yeah, 171 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: if that's that's not I don't know if I'd be 172 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: comfortable doing And that's not going to happen. So we 173 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: are not being paid to endorse true detective. We just 174 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: enjoy it, right, Yeah, sorry about that us. But anyhow, 175 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: so Murray there is and you say, no, you guys 176 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: are being dicks. This is not a perpetual motion machine 177 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: because it's receiving external energy from this unidentified source that 178 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: modern human beings have yet to use, and it's called 179 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: it's It might be confusing for some of us right 180 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: now to hear it called alternately a radiant energy device. 181 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: And we're describing these antennas these semiconductors and stuff. But 182 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: why is it called a valve? What's called a valve 183 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: because the most important part of it is this valve, right, 184 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: So al right, bear with us here. Okay, So the 185 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: valve itself, it's made of this kind of quote, a 186 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: mixture of tribo luminescent zinc, a semiconductor material, and a 187 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: radioactive or fissile material formed in a rounded pellet inside 188 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: a tube. Yeah, and we're gonna keep going with some 189 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: quotations here for for the description of this this alleged machine. 190 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: So the antenna on the Murray device could vary, but 191 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: they were always going to be built out of some 192 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: highly conductive metal, and the valve inside was functioning as 193 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: a diode or deode of sort. Right. And so here's 194 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: the part where it gets suited science, if it hasn't 195 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: already for all the for all the physics majors who 196 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: are already throwing room. Yeah, I get ready reset your 197 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: eyes because they may roll pretty crazily here. Um. So, 198 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: according to Murray, when the machine was tuned to the 199 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: resonance of zero point energy in the area, this energy 200 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: flowed through the antenna and to the valve. The valve 201 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: acted kind of as a one way gay, so it 202 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: trapped the energy feeding the load of the machine once 203 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: the This meant that the matter in the vicinity of 204 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: the machine was out of equilibrium and the zero point 205 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: energy was not returning, creating an energy vacuum. So to 206 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: restore this equilibrium, energy would flow towards the vacuum and 207 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: in the process created greater capacity for this valve to 208 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: pump electricity. Alright, alright, I'm right. So it's again. I'll 209 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: take another water example. Okay, so think of a water wheel. 210 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: That's a very clever invention. It's not a perpetual motion machine, 211 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's powered by an external source of energy. Right, 212 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: water moving. So when uh, when this when the water 213 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: from a streamer, creek or whatever hits the water wheel, 214 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: it fills up the series of ferris wheel things right 215 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: in the on the wheel and I'm sure there's a 216 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: specific name for them, you guys. I'm sorry, I'm usually 217 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: better at these. And then um, the motion of the 218 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: water pushes the wheel and then the weight of the 219 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: water returning brings it back down. So it's kind of 220 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: a a loop in that regard. That's the idea, I 221 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: guess so with invisible cosmic a yeah, exactly, and uh yeah, 222 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: and of course then in this case it would be 223 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: the idea of an energy vacuum rather than gravity powering 224 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: part of the process. But here's the thing, we don't know. 225 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: We can't no matter how many times it was demonstrated 226 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: back then, we will never get to see that device 227 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: in action. That's correct. That's because it was destroyed, and 228 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: it was reportedly because more a. Basically, he decided not 229 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to sell it um and he didn't want to disclose 230 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: the plans to build one of these things. Um. So 231 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: either either the big business quote big business like Bell Laboratories, 232 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: or anyone interested in energy and monetizing it um or 233 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: communists rush up, perhaps somebody somebody. He didn't want someone 234 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: to get their hands on it. Yeah, allegedly. And anyway, 235 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: today's children are still trying to figure out how to 236 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: use this device and to recreate it. Oh. I have 237 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: some interesting let's call them again bar stories about about 238 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: how this went down. So that's really what the show is, 239 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: by the way, bar stories. Yeah, we're podcasting from we 240 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: turned the audio studio into a bar. Knowle's got this 241 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: button that he pushes, Uh, the killer tender man. He's 242 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, and the shelves flip yeah, and we 243 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: have all sorts of drinks that right, and drinks that 244 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: he thought weren't real, things like that Victory jin from 245 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: It is terrible. It's so it's so bad. Winston was right, 246 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: it's not cool. But we we have other things. So anyway, 247 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: here we are in a bar, where where else would 248 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: be more appropriate for the stories that we're about to say. 249 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: So the story goes that Murray was we talked about 250 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: this in our episode, that Murray was involved with something 251 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: called the Rural Electrification Agency or association or service and 252 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: they were infiltrated by uh, the Reds. I could have 253 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: some dramatic music mill. Yeah, they totally just infiltrated. Perfect, 254 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: We just got infiltrated. That was how good? That was so? Uh. 255 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: His assistant turned out to be one of these communist agents, 256 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: and it was apparently his assistant who destroyed it. But 257 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: Murray also said that he his wife, and his children 258 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: were harassed and threatened by people who wanted to give 259 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: up the technology because it could be weaponized. You know, 260 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: that's a common theme, Uh, with new forms of energy, 261 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: new forms of harnessing energy. The idea of persecution be yeah, 262 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: being harassed by some external force. I don't know, man, 263 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we'll get that. So uh so 264 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: we do know that one of the first things you 265 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: do if you're an inventor in that day in age, 266 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: and you want to legitimize yourself, so you're not just 267 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, doctor Pede Slickawilly selling snake oil or whatever. 268 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. It sounded made up, and uh he 269 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: uh we we do know that Murray applied for a patent. 270 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: You go to the patent office, you lock your idea down. 271 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: But he was not given a patent um for two reasons. First, 272 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: the device used a cold cathode rather than a hot one, 273 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: which scientific understanding the day said a cold cathode would 274 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: be silly, who are you, doctor Slickawilly? And second, um 275 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: Ray could not as as you said earlier, man, he 276 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: couldn't define the source or nature of this energy. Well yeah, 277 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: and maybe that's the nature of discovering a new form 278 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: of energy. You can't really describe it unless you've given 279 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: a name, or maybe it wasn't real anyway. So let's 280 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: get into a concept here that we're going to talk 281 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: about in our upcoming episode something called zero point energy. 282 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what the hell is it? Right? Well, according 283 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: to Scientific American, this is a real thing, and it's 284 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: just an unavoidable part of quantum physics. And people have 285 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: been studying this since the nineteen twenties and basically since 286 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: the discovery of quantum physics. Okay, and we've got we've 287 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: got a quotation here from that article, uh, by a 288 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: fellow named John o'bben in obyen In, a material science 289 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: researcher at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. And he's 290 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: got a pretty good explanation of zero point right. He says, 291 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: zero point energy refers to random quantum fluctuations in the 292 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: electromagnetic and other force fields that are present everywhere in 293 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: the vacuum. In other words, an empty vacuum is actually 294 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: a seething cauldron of energy. This energy is present even 295 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: at the absolute zero temperature negative two and seventy three celsius, 296 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: and of course, even when no matter is present. The 297 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: effect of these vacuum fields has been detected, just barely. 298 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: The effect is very tiny by the attraction they induce 299 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: in a capacitor, which is really just too close parallel 300 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: metal plates. So, uh, two plates together, and then you 301 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: can detect a chain or what is it? I really 302 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: don't I can't wrap my head around it, but you 303 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: can you can detect that there is energy or movement 304 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: of some sort between the two plates and the so. 305 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: So I guess what we're saying is that zero point 306 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: energy has that cool name. Uh, not just because it's 307 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: a cool name, but because it is meant to describe 308 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system can 309 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: have after all of the other energy is removed, even 310 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Right, So, scientists still don't completely understand 311 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: the nature of this, but it is real and you know, 312 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: for um, for our physics majors who have maybe destroyed 313 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: your apartment in anger listening to this or cracked or dashboard, um, 314 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: we we hope that this is a little bit of 315 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: a light at the end of the tunnel. And also, honestly, 316 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: when you get to the fringes of theoretical physics, which 317 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: we're we're branching towards with this, when you get to 318 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: the fringes of this sort of this sort of mental exercise, 319 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: it becomes very close to uh, metaphysics and philosophy. Yeah, yeah, 320 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: because we can't explain it yet. The only reason it's 321 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: still magic is we can't explain the old Arthur C. 322 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: Clark quotations Clark body all day. So there's a problem 323 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: with zero point energy, right, Yes. The problem is that 324 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: even if we can harness this energy and make use 325 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: of it, somehow, it seems to be so low energy. 326 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: The it's the lowest form currently that we can that 327 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: we know of energy. That how is it going to 328 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: be useful? How are we going to be able to 329 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: harness enough of it to actually make an impact on 330 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: human life? Okay, and here we have another quotation. The 331 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: zero point energy cannot be harnessed in the traditional sense. 332 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: The idea of zero point energy is that there is 333 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: a finite minimum amount of motion, or more accurately, kinetic 334 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: energy in all matter, even at absolute zero again negative 335 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: to seventy three celsius. For example, chemical bonds continue to 336 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: vibrate in predictable ways, but releasing the energy of this 337 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: motion is impossible because then the molecule would be less, 338 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: left with less than the minimum amount that the laws 339 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: of quantum physics require it to have. Yeah, alright, So 340 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: so again we're stuck on the laws and the you know, 341 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: the the laws are there because they're the closest we 342 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: have to an absolute right. Um. And I always say 343 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: closest because it's almost impossible to be certain, right yeah, 344 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: we we We can always be ninety nine sure that 345 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: something is going to happen, but there's always that chance 346 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: that point oh oh yeah, um yeah. And here's here's 347 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: what's interesting. However, we do know that, um, even the 348 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: iron clad laws may be completely revolutionized or reinterpreted in um, 349 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, in the span of our lifetimes. If we 350 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: look at how recent the human exploration of the physical 351 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: world is in in this sort of regard, and then 352 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: over the span of civilization, let alone, you know, the 353 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: span of Earth itself, not to mention the universe, then 354 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: this is a very recent understanding that that we're trying 355 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: to arrive at. And we know that there have been 356 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: other forms of alternative energy proposed that don't have the 357 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: same proof that ZPE has. Oh yeah, we we've looked 358 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: at a couple of these. You might remember real energy, 359 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: which I love the R I l love it. You 360 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: might associate that with Nazis and the idea that there 361 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's just another word for kind 362 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: of the same thing being able to pull energy from yeah, yeah, 363 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: to harness an energy that just exists there, and that 364 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: goes back as well to that. That concept goes back 365 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: as well to the two ancient Indian and Near Eastern 366 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: societies and legends of you know, aerial warfare on these 367 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: machines powered by some sort of serious anti gravity sort 368 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: of paintings of them. Yes, and we uh, Matt and 369 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: I are going to probably be returning to some Nazi 370 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: stuff in the next few months. I just act surprised 371 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: when it happens. Um. And then we we also have 372 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: talked about one of your favorites, right, Willem Reich and 373 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: the Oregon energy. Oh man, you can get lost on 374 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: YouTube watching videos about oregonology. Yeah. If you The thing is, 375 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: um that if you just focus your what what your 376 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: sexual prowess in the in the appropriate directions and when 377 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: the appropriate mindset, then you too can change the world, 378 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: can burst clouds, you can put them back together. Um. 379 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: But and it's lost at least some of the recent 380 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: videos I've watched, I've lost that sexual part that was 381 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: originally there. And will I'm reichs singing. Now it's just 382 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: about crystals and metals and arranging them and resonance. Now 383 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: we we also we should point out that we have 384 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: we have a video that touches on real but we 385 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: have some stuff just about villan Reich and if you 386 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: want to if you want to learn more about that, 387 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: those videos are a great starting point because, uh, something 388 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: really strange. We're not gonna tell you what in this episode, 389 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: but something very strange happens to him and his research 390 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: towards the end of his life. And it's absolutely proven 391 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and it's not a secret. Yeah, so you'll have to 392 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: hopefully go to our website something they'll want, you know, 393 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: dot com or YouTube to check it out. Weird stuff 394 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: happens to people who are exploring new energy. That is true. 395 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: Now it's time for us to separate some fact and 396 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: some fiction here. So here's a fact. At this point, nobody, 397 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: and I mean nobody has satisfactorily reproduced this device or 398 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: a similar device and that we know of, Yes, public 399 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: nobody's publicly done that. And it should be noted that 400 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: many of the things we're talking about here come directly 401 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: from More's books and writings, and several of them are 402 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: available online. So if you're interested in this stuff, you 403 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: want to learn more about it, you can actually get 404 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: more A's stuff, right. Yeah, the his his most popular book, 405 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: I Think the Sea and Which Earth Floats or uh, 406 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: it's something like that. We mentioned it specifically in our video. Uh, 407 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: that book itself is not available to read for free 408 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: online as far as I know, but he has several 409 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: other shorter books that are UM based on lectures he 410 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: gave that that do do address this UM. The Patent 411 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: Office has yet to award more A successors, though from 412 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: what we can find, they do keep the patent uh current, 413 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: so the application current. Rather so they have been trying 414 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: to get this patent. So here's a fact. One of 415 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: the one of the biggest topics here that we talked 416 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: about earlier is technology suppression and it's a huge conspiracy, 417 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: but it's also fact because if you just think about 418 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: the the monetary goals and the consequences that would that 419 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: would occur if someone could bring out some kind of new, cheap, 420 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: maybe even free energy that could be harnessed, the consequences 421 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: to the economy, to these massive businesses and corporations that 422 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: own huge billions and billions of dollars worth of steak 423 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: that you know, there isn't free energy that you have 424 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: to pay for your energy somehow. Uh huh, yeah, I 425 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: see what you're saying. The the the idea with this 426 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: tech suppression stuff is that the world's governing powers are 427 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: actively working in concert to suppress any technology that could 428 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 1: topple the status quo. At a fascinating conversation with some 429 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: folks about this a long time ago, Matt um over 430 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech, and the idea was, you know, at 431 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: this time, I was was pretty skeptical still of the 432 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: idea of global tech suppression. I can see it happening 433 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: in some countries, but not for extended period of time 434 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: across the world. And I was talking to this a 435 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: friend of mine who said that he believed it definitely 436 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: does happen. And furthermore, here's where he got weird. He 437 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: said it should happen because something as disruptive as free energy, 438 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, which people are literally dying to pay for now, Uh, 439 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: something that fundamental to the current economic system becoming free. 440 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: Being out of that system would uh cripple economy. So 441 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: people that free power, but they wouldn't be able to 442 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: get food or they wouldn't be able to find shelter. 443 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: And while I see that argument, I think that it 444 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: is self serving and shortsighted if this stuff is true. 445 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: And that's this this part, by the way, guys, is 446 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: entirely my opinion. But the concept is frightening. The concept 447 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: that there would be uh, some group of interest that 448 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: would rather the world exists as a place of suffering, 449 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: inequality and artificial scarcity of resource is um is just 450 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: it's horrifying. I mean, you know, it's not even a 451 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: rain in hell versus serving heaven thing. It's a rain 452 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: in hell versus be a regular person and rightly, yeah, 453 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: in a slightly better world. So it's been alleged since 454 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: ancient times. You know that you can read about people 455 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: saying that the wheel was repressed in sun cultures. Um, well, nowadays, 456 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: it's not that hard of a task to suppress technology 457 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: because of our patent system. If you control the patents, 458 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: then you control the system, you know, I mean in 459 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: my eyes, at least, especially with the some of these 460 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: secretive patents that exist. Yeah, let's jump in like that's 461 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: what we should definitely end our episode on here. So skeptics, 462 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: they say that there couldn't be. And I've been one 463 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: of these before, they say that there couldn't be a 464 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: UM an effective suppression campaign nowadays there are too many 465 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: people that would be required to keep this secret. And 466 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: then also, if you were one of these governing interests, 467 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't you want to monetize the new tech? Wouldn't you 468 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: want to UM make money? And also, hey be the 469 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: guy who saves the world or the lady who gets 470 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: the Nobel Prize for completely changing the world of physics. 471 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: We um. I mean it's a it's a really good 472 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: point to make. People who support the idea of suppression 473 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: would then note what happened with warden Cliff Tower. Yeah, 474 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: but anyway, I just wanted to step into paint the scene. Now, 475 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: that's fine, that's really fun. I didn't mean to jump 476 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: the past. No, no no, no, no, Well, tell me tell 477 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: me what's up with tell me what's up with patents, 478 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: because this is something that we always try to point 479 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: out you and I because a lot of people don't 480 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: know this and everybody should know this. Okay, So, according 481 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: to New Scientists UM, from two thousand eight in the 482 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: year two thousand eight till the end of September in 483 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: that year, a total of sixty eight new US inventions 484 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: were made secret, but only twenty two of them against 485 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: fifty three from the previous year, came from what the U. S. 486 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: Patent and Trademark Office calls John does. These are a 487 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: private U S. Citizens who invent some kind of thing 488 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: and then apply for a patent, you know, like somebody 489 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: who makes them in their garage, like a true inventor. 490 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: And this is not just in the United States. Technological 491 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: suppression is real. It is legal. You can get a 492 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: gag order if you invent something. So in fifteen NATO 493 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: countries and also Australia New Zealand, if you invent something, 494 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: you can see your invention become uh subject to government secrecy. 495 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: Often you might not ever see it again for any 496 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: useful time frame. And that's because if someone sees this 497 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: invention as a threat to national security, its publication is 498 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: legally suppressed until such a time as the threat is 499 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: deemed to have lapsed. And right you can't even tell 500 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: people that your invention has been suppressed. So, um, this 501 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: has this has some really interesting comparisons here. Um, if 502 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: we look at how many patents are under wraps that 503 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,479 Speaker 1: we've we being um, the US, the public. We've figured 504 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: out about how many have been applied and put under 505 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: this gag order stuff. Do you want to hear the number? Guys? 506 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: It's huge. Five thousand and two estimated patents that have 507 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: been kept under REPS five thousand and two possible huge 508 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: game changers. Okay, so, uh, Thomas Edison and about a 509 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: thousand patents. So that's uh, that's about five Thomas Edison's Yeah, 510 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: five Thomas Edison's worth of stuff of who knows what 511 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: it is? I can't tell you what it is, and 512 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: can't tell you what it is. Even the inventor can't 513 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: tell you what it is. Yeah, the avenger is the 514 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: one who will get in trouble. We could guess and 515 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: just get a talking to perhaps. So this so here 516 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: we are in two thousand and fourteen, and we know 517 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: that technology can be suppressed effectively. And when you know, 518 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: before we run off the rails and say that Uncle 519 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: Sam is keeping the world in a dark age of 520 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: fossil fuels, well, what we do have to realize is 521 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of these patents could become secret because 522 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: somebody stumbled upon something that DARPA or the n s 523 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: A was already working on you know what I mean 524 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: that Uncle Sam is ge and Uncle Sam is the 525 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: energy company. You know, that's that's a that's an interesting 526 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: thing too, because I mean, yeah, well that's a that's 527 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: a possibility. That might be a story for a later 528 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 1: day or different podcasts. What do you think? So we 529 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: know that no matter what, regardless of whether Murray's uh, 530 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: whether Murray was a charlatan or a man ahead of 531 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: his time, we know that technology suppression is real. And 532 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: it's not just in the United States. It's all over 533 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: the world. Ah. I'm going to be thinking about this 534 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: Moray guy and this machine for a while. I really 535 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: want to know. I want to know if something worked. Yeah, 536 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting to wonder if somebody discovered some sort of 537 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: what if this is real? Someone discovered a solid state 538 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: detector in their garage, applied for a patent, and they 539 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: legally cannot tell us about it, uh, and what if 540 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: they're one of many? You know? To me, that's this 541 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: The weird thing is that it is possible, if not plausible, 542 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: that this thing, if it is real, has been invented 543 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: multiple times and suppressed multiple times. Can you imagine being 544 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: at the patent office and going another one. Gosh, I 545 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: wonder how many times they have to replace the patent 546 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,959 Speaker 1: office the Frederick device one day. One day, these people 547 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: are just putting their last names on the same thing. 548 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: I have to keep up hope, though, because it's so 549 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: easy to spread information. Now, although you spread something like this, 550 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: you know the number of people that will just dismiss 551 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: it out right and go, oh, it's a crazy person. 552 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: Yeah they're doing this, even if they there truly was 553 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: a revolutionary thing. The hardcore skeptic, I mean, the hardcore 554 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: skeptic inside of me might even say, yeah, that's crazy talk. 555 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, but we we do know that at some point, uh, 556 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: some of these things can be revealed, and we just 557 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: don't know the timeline, you know. It's it's weird when 558 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: you think about how many government secrets from the twenties 559 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: and stuff remain classified. Dude, there really is in this case, 560 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: regardless of whether Murray's machine works, whether it's a hoax, 561 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: there really is stuff they don't want you to know. 562 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: Nice then, Oh, I don't know that was really nice. 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