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Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer at

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and how Stuff Works and I love

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Speaker 1: all things tech and In mid November, Sony, the company

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Speaker 1: that makes the PlayStation four game console, announced it would

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Speaker 1: not be taking part in the two thousand nineteen E

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Speaker 1: three Conference E three, which essentially stands for the Electronic

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Speaker 1: Entertainment Expo, although I think they just call themselves E

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Speaker 1: three these days anyway. It's a big annual industry event

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Speaker 1: that takes place in Los Angeles, California. It's not the

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Speaker 1: largest video game industry conference in the world. There's one

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Speaker 1: called Games Common Germany that has about three hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: more people attending it than E three, but E three

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Speaker 1: is usually viewed as one of the most important video

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Speaker 1: So let's take a step back to talk about the

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Speaker 1: brief history of E three before we explore the whole

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Speaker 1: Sony story here. So, before there was an E three,

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Speaker 1: at c e S. C e S is another one

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Speaker 1: these days. There was no dedicated conference for video games

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Speaker 1: Famicon also known as the Nintendo Entertainment System, and the

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Speaker 1: for about a decade, c e S was the one

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Speaker 1: an organization coming together. Originally it was called the Interactive

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Speaker 1: to the Entertainment Software Association or e s A. The

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Speaker 1: e s A as the organization that created E three.

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Speaker 1: It organized a brand new trade show dedicated solely to

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Speaker 1: so the goal was multifold. It was to give video

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Speaker 1: So that first event in uh in N had approximately

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Speaker 1: death of E three several times in the past, and

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Speaker 1: so far it's still alive. So back when the conference

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Speaker 1: was scaled down in two thousand seven, there were people

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Speaker 1: who were saying the writings on the wall, this conference

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Speaker 1: is just going to fade away, and it didn't. It

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Speaker 1: came back in when e A announced it was going

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Speaker 1: to establish its own event during E three. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: long before news broke that Activision was also planning to

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Speaker 1: skip the event that year, and then another company called

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Speaker 1: war Gaming, which is a smaller developer They make a

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Speaker 1: game called World of Tanks, said it too was going

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Speaker 1: to skip the event, and then Disney followed suit, although

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Speaker 1: to be fair, that was likely because Disney was planning

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Speaker 1: on shutting down its video game developer division, which was

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Speaker 1: called Disney Interactive Studios, and instead they were switching to

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Speaker 1: a model where the company will license out Disney properties

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Speaker 1: to third party developers. But we didn't really know that

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Speaker 1: at that time. From the outside looking in, seeing these

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Speaker 1: various companies kind of pull out of the three, it

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Speaker 1: looked like it was a cascade effect, like maybe this

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Speaker 1: was going to be uh the end of E three

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Speaker 1: with lots of companies bailing on this established trade show.

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Speaker 1: And it may even have been what convinced the E

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Speaker 1: s A to open the show up to the public

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Speaker 1: in ten that by making the show accessible to the public,

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Speaker 1: it would also bring pressure on video game companies to

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Speaker 1: participate or risk being left out of all the excitement.

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Speaker 1: So there's some who have said that that was probably

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Speaker 1: why the E s A really chose. One they could

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Speaker 1: sell tick it's and make money, and two this would

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Speaker 1: force the companies to participate for fear of otherwise getting

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Speaker 1: the ill will of the gaming community, and thus the

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Speaker 1: trade show itself would remain relevant by force. And while

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Speaker 1: Wired was musing on the possibility that E three might

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Speaker 1: die after Polygone would call for E three to change

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Speaker 1: or die, in Brian Crescente wrote an article saying it

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Speaker 1: was clear that the reasons the E s A started

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Speaker 1: E three were no longer relevant. Whereas in years past,

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Speaker 1: game developers would use E three to land publication deals

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. Polygone cited industry professionals

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Speaker 1: like Sean Leyden of Sony, who said that these days

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Speaker 1: those deals are done before the games are complete and

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Speaker 1: well ahead of E three, so they're not happening at

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Speaker 1: E three, they're happening before, and E three's mission to

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Speaker 1: bring attention to games isn't relevant anymore either. People are

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Speaker 1: pretty aware of video games, and the piece pointed out

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Speaker 1: that the three opening up its doors meant it was

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Speaker 1: trying to be the next Packs. But Packs is still

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Speaker 1: Packs and manages to work pretty darn well, so it

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Speaker 1: might mean that E three is just being kind of

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Speaker 1: a watered down version of Packs. Many video game journalists

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Speaker 1: are guessing that Sony's announcement really means that the company

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Speaker 1: is just trying to get its ducks in a row

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Speaker 1: for the successor to the PlayStation four. Sony executives already

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Speaker 1: have confirmed that the company is working on the PS five,

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Speaker 1: and most analysts guests it's going to come out either

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Speaker 1: by the end of twenty nineteen or perhaps in and

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Speaker 1: it's possible that Sony wants to make sure it can

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Speaker 1: hold an event all its own to announce this next

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Speaker 1: piece of hardware and not have to worry about winning

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Speaker 1: a trade show. And because they're focusing on the PS five,

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Speaker 1: it probably also means they're winding down development for the

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Speaker 1: PS four, which means they don't have very much to

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Speaker 1: show off for the console that they are getting ready

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Speaker 1: to phase out. And again, just like the PlayStation experience,

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Speaker 1: it may well be that one of the reasons Sony

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Speaker 1: wants to pull out of the three is they just

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Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot to show off, and so

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make a lot of sense to maintain a

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Speaker 1: presence there now. That could mean that in Sony would

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Speaker 1: be right back at E three now with the PlayStation five,

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Speaker 1: and that is just a blip in the radar. Or

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Speaker 1: it might mean that more companies will follow suit and

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Speaker 1: I'll like to have their own events instead of going

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Speaker 1: all in together, and it could mean the E three

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Speaker 1: is finally starting to unravel. Why do I think I

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Speaker 1: I suspect Sony will be back in twenty unless the

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Speaker 1: company just decides that it's much better to have your

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Speaker 1: own stage rather than share it with others. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: real value I think is that by having a concentrated event,

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Speaker 1: you get a lot of excitement that it's all focused

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Speaker 1: at the same time, and you can you can get

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Speaker 1: a lot of leverage out of that. But holding your

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Speaker 1: own event means you can really control the focus and

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Speaker 1: control the narrative. And so I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: Sony will be back in, but if they announced that

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Speaker 1: they're done, I think the three might be done too.

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Speaker 1: Despite the fact that PC gaming continues on strong, it's

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Speaker 1: getting stronger. Um, I just don't think that the the

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Speaker 1: developers and the other companies will want to participate if

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Speaker 1: there's a perception that the event is kind of falling apart.

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Speaker 1: It might be one of those cases where people say

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Speaker 1: the ship looks like it's sinking. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's sinking, but let's go ahead and get in the

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Speaker 1: lifeboat just in case. Well, that wraps up this episode.

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Speaker 1: It was fun to kind of talk about this and

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Speaker 1: to go over Sony's announcement. Uh. It surprised me when

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Speaker 1: I heard about it, and then I had to learn

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Speaker 1: more and it was all have fun to kind of

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Speaker 1: or not E three will stick around. What do you

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Speaker 1: Maybe that I'm completely off base, and maybe E three

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