Speaker 1: Fillow conspiracy Realist. We are beyond excited and maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit punchy to bring you a story that absolutely
Speaker 1: rocked us the first time we read about it. Do
Speaker 1: you remember this, Matt.
Speaker 2: I can't forget this, and I really wish I could,
Speaker 2: So maybe you think about that before moving forward with
Speaker 2: this episode. You already played it, so you know, we
Speaker 2: get the download. It's cool this one. It haunts my
Speaker 2: dreams too.
Speaker 1: It's really upsetting, and we have I think, Matt, you
Speaker 1: and I both have a pretty a pretty strong constitution
Speaker 1: when it comes to learning about and exploring dark, disturbing things.
Speaker 1: But our tale this evening takes place in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven when a guy in a small town in
Speaker 1: the Czech Republic in Chechia is he's happy he's a
Speaker 1: new father. He says, I'm going to get a baby monitor,
Speaker 1: I keep an eye on my baby, and then instead
Speaker 1: he learns something very disturbing about his neighbors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, connects to another camera and what he finds is
Speaker 2: it's horrible. If you are sensitive to the abuse of children,
Speaker 2: then caution yourself away from this one because it's not
Speaker 2: in the title. Just be careful. It's there it's worth
Speaker 2: your time, though, so just use your own judgment.
Speaker 1: And that's just the beginning.
Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 3: learn the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 2: name is Nolan.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Control dec At most importantly,
Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Before we begin today's episode,
Speaker 1: we want to include a very important disclaimer or call
Speaker 1: it a trigger warning, call it what you will. It's
Speaker 1: important for us to say at the offset of today's
Speaker 1: episode that this show will contain descriptions of graphic child abuse,
Speaker 1: very dark and true things.
Speaker 2: In psychological horror.
Speaker 1: Really and if this is something that personally you feel
Speaker 1: that you should not be listening to, then now is
Speaker 1: the time. Just wait for our next episode to come out.
Speaker 2: Use our old adage turn back.
Speaker 1: Now, Yes, exactly man, exactly as you can.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's part of the adage as well.
Speaker 1: Yes that's true, that's exactly true. This topic existed on
Speaker 1: our show first as a video series back when we
Speaker 1: were doing YouTube.
Speaker 2: Roughly four years ago, well over four years.
Speaker 1: And longtime listeners, you know that we have covered many
Speaker 1: things on the audio podcast that we never made videos of,
Speaker 1: and we have also covered many things on video that
Speaker 1: we've never made an audio podcast. Lest you think that
Speaker 1: this is just a rehash of the video, we would
Speaker 1: like to let you know that this episode is much
Speaker 1: more in depth and it includes some pertinent updates. Our
Speaker 1: story begins in a small town with a population of
Speaker 1: the little over ten thousand people called Kurrham in the
Speaker 1: Czech Republic in May of two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Yes, and in this small town there was a new
Speaker 2: father named Edward T, mister Edward T. And he did
Speaker 2: something simple that almost every new parent has done, or
Speaker 2: many new parents have done. He installed a CCTV camera
Speaker 2: baby monitor so we could watch the new baby.
Speaker 1: In the nursery room or nursery area of their house.
Speaker 1: But there was a malfunction. Matt instead of seeing his
Speaker 1: own wee little tyke and the camera feed, he picked
Speaker 1: up a different signal. And in this signal he saw
Speaker 1: two children, two young boys, covered in filth, chained or
Speaker 1: tied up and restrained, locked in a cellar and being
Speaker 1: tortured by two women. One of the boys was naked
Speaker 1: on the floor, his hands were strained behind his back
Speaker 1: and he was being forced as mister Edward t watched
Speaker 1: who was being forced to eat food from the floor
Speaker 1: like a dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can find video stills like Ben found,
Speaker 2: and we would not recommend looking at them, but if
Speaker 2: you need to understand it, you can find them.
Speaker 4: And if you such is there, they're not. There's nothing
Speaker 4: that would be problematic as far as like having on
Speaker 4: your computer or something like that. Yeah, just kind of right, vignettes.
Speaker 4: They're sort of like the side of a face, and
Speaker 4: there's nothing graphic overtly graphic about them, but they are
Speaker 4: they are chilling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see you can see the force feeding and.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, and that's I mean, that's a really good point, Nol.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because I'm sure several
Speaker 1: of us listening we're thinking, wait, is this something that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on my computer.
Speaker 4: It's like three or four of them. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 4: then you know they immediately make you feel repelled and disgusted,
Speaker 4: But they're not inherently graphic.
Speaker 1: Right, and so we can only imagine what is going
Speaker 1: through Edward's mind as he watches this. Is this some
Speaker 1: odd malfunction? Is this some hallucination? What he quickly realized,
Speaker 1: most likely based on the details of the seller that
Speaker 1: he could see in the background, was that this house
Speaker 1: seemed fairly similar to his own, and he deduced that
Speaker 1: this was indeed a camera feed from a similar baby
Speaker 1: monitor in his neighbor's house. Naturally, not being a monster himself,
Speaker 1: Edward called the police, and here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 2: Very quickly, yeah, very very quickly. So the police proceed
Speaker 2: to the neighbor's home, which is occupied by Clara and
Speaker 2: Katerina Marova. They're two sisters who are living at this
Speaker 2: house where they believe the feed has been coming from.
Speaker 2: And the two boys that were on the camera that
Speaker 2: were seen were Andreje and Jacob. These are Clara's sons.
Speaker 2: So Clara's sons, Andrea and Jacob. But those weren't the
Speaker 2: only people they found at the house.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Police found two adults and three children.
Speaker 1: The third child was an adopted daughter, the adopted daughter
Speaker 1: of Clara Morova, a thirteen year old named Anika or
Speaker 1: Anna sulternately called both. She ran into the arms of
Speaker 1: the police, sobbing about the terrible and horrific abuse that
Speaker 1: she had endured. She directed the police to the boys
Speaker 1: in the cellarn They had serious grievous wounds. One of
Speaker 1: the boys died in the hospital, and evidence indicated that
Speaker 1: the adults had been slowly skinning him and either eating
Speaker 1: parts of him or forcing him to eat parts of himself.
Speaker 1: Let's pause there, Let's rewind two years. How did we
Speaker 1: get to this situation, because up until two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: Clara Morova was a single mother of two and her
Speaker 1: two sons Andredge and Jacob or as we talked about
Speaker 1: off air, perhaps pronounced yakub jakub and Andredge n d
Speaker 1: r e j. These two kids lived pretty good lives,
Speaker 1: you know. They went to summer camp, they had a
Speaker 1: knack for language, they loved to play outdoors. But things
Speaker 1: began to change when Clara's sister Katerina visited the house
Speaker 1: and she brought along this thirteen year old orphan sometimes
Speaker 1: called Anna, sometimes called Anika and Anika.
Speaker 2: At the time, she would have been eleven.
Speaker 1: At the time she would have been eleven, that's right.
Speaker 1: Anika had a terrible, terrible story. She had escaped an abusive,
Speaker 1: possibly a child trafficking ring in Norway, and now as
Speaker 1: a result of this escape, she is under the protection
Speaker 1: of a secret organization, and Clara, being a very good
Speaker 1: hearted person at first, almost instantly becomes a nurturing maternal
Speaker 1: figure to Anna.
Speaker 2: And apparently Anna is suffering from various diseases. She has leukemia,
Speaker 2: her kidneys are failing, she's going blind and deaf, and
Speaker 2: she's spending a significant amount of time in the hospital
Speaker 2: because of all of these things that are going wrong
Speaker 2: with her.
Speaker 1: And it's important to note that it's always Clara's sister
Speaker 1: Katerina who takes Anna to the hospital. Clara is never
Speaker 1: allowed to accompany her, but she is in contact with
Speaker 1: Anna's doctor. She starts receiving instructions via text message and
Speaker 1: email from this mysterious doctor who is, as far as
Speaker 1: Clara knows, the only person who knows how to fully
Speaker 1: treat Anna or Anika for both her psychological and her
Speaker 1: physical trauma. And these treatments get very weird, very quickly.
Speaker 1: One of the treatments that Clara Morova later mentions in
Speaker 1: court was that the doctor instructed her to rub Anna's body,
Speaker 1: especially her crotch part, for several hours and then this
Speaker 1: would improve her quality of life. Keep in mind, again,
Speaker 1: this is as far as Clara knows at this time.
Speaker 1: This is an eleven year old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, shaking my head.
Speaker 1: It's dark stuff. Clara never meets the doctor at all
Speaker 1: except one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the car in the dark, so she couldn't
Speaker 2: actually see this person's face at all. But this is
Speaker 2: still a doctor, so the trust in some way in
Speaker 2: the institution that he represents, it's still there for her.
Speaker 1: And he also was a diplomat. Yeah, he showed Clara
Speaker 1: diplomatic passport, and he also passed along what he said
Speaker 1: were Anna's medical files. And later Clara said, I know
Speaker 1: it sounds naive, but the fact that he was a
Speaker 1: diplomat and a doctor was a guarantee of authority for me,
Speaker 1: and so I trusted him. Okay.
Speaker 2: So when Anna was at home, she would describe these
Speaker 2: horrifying stories about sexual abuse that she experienced while she
Speaker 2: was in Norway. And during the days when she's hospitalized,
Speaker 2: when she's constantly there, Clara was supposed to talk to
Speaker 2: her on the phone several times a day, and this person,
Speaker 2: this doctor, would mediate Clara's messages to Anna so she
Speaker 2: can hear mommy while unconscious, so she would be at
Speaker 2: the hospital and stay unconscious for periods of time, at
Speaker 2: least according to what Clara knew.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And by two thousand and six, Clara paid less
Speaker 4: and less and less attention to her own children, and
Speaker 4: her sons spent more time at their grandparents' house than
Speaker 4: they did at home. And Clara was still trying to
Speaker 4: help help Anika recover from her traumatic experiences in Norway
Speaker 4: and ultimately decided that she wanted to adopt her, but.
Speaker 1: The doctor said there would be huge problems with this.
Speaker 1: He told Clara that an adoption would not be possible
Speaker 1: the authorities would never approve it because her sons were
Speaker 1: being abusive toward Anika. So the doctor told Clara she
Speaker 1: needed to cure the boys to remove the evil spirits
Speaker 1: inhabiting them by instituting a regimen of therapy, and he
Speaker 1: said the appropriate therapy was hard discipline and physical punishment.
Speaker 1: Clara began beating the boys repeatedly, often for very minor
Speaker 1: perceived in fractions. She would use her bare hands, a
Speaker 1: belt or a wooden kitchen spoon. She would also lock
Speaker 1: them in the closet or bathroom for punishment, for a
Speaker 1: kind of time out situation where often they were forced
Speaker 1: to stay there overnight. Eventually, the doctor decided that this
Speaker 1: therapy was inadequate, and we'll return after a word from
Speaker 1: our sponsors.
Speaker 2: So when we left, we heard that the doctor decided
Speaker 2: that this physical punishment that was being enacted on these
Speaker 2: boys was not enough. And Clara is told then by
Speaker 2: the doctor to stop behaving as their mother, and she's
Speaker 2: ordered to take the boys and move to this other town.
Speaker 2: It's a small town in a different district. Okay. So
Speaker 2: the doctor then advises a stronger type of therapy, not
Speaker 2: just the physical stuff, at least the kind that he
Speaker 2: had prescribed before. And in this place, this new house,
Speaker 2: Clara meets with Jan Scurla a different person, and Yan
Speaker 2: Turk both spelled to Ja, and they also meet with
Speaker 2: Hannah Basova, and of course Katerina also joins them.
Speaker 1: The sister. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so this escalation I guess that was recommended
Speaker 4: involved the following and this is big time trigger warning territory,
Speaker 4: I would say. So the boys were kept in dogs
Speaker 4: cages and they were not allowed to communicate with each
Speaker 4: other at all, nor to have any of the comforts
Speaker 4: of being physically held by their mother. Clara helped simulate
Speaker 4: drowning them in a bucket, waterboarding essentially, while Katerina held
Speaker 4: their hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In addition, they were burned with cigarettes, scratched with
Speaker 1: forks and cutlery, hog tied for long periods of time,
Speaker 1: forced to recite quote vulgar sentences. We don't know what
Speaker 1: those are. But they were also made to beat one another,
Speaker 1: and Jacob was at least one instance forced to protec
Speaker 1: and he was dead and lay in a hole that
Speaker 1: had been dug in the grounds of the compounds.
Speaker 4: So the Yons were connected with the doctor. They were
Speaker 4: his like acolytes and some.
Speaker 1: Yon and the Yons and Hannah as well as Katerina
Speaker 1: were members of something. Yeah, and that that's something still
Speaker 1: remains mysterious today. But they were, Yeah, they were affiliated.
Speaker 1: They weren't just random people. And there's there's pretty compelling
Speaker 1: evidence that Clara actually knew or had been familiar with
Speaker 1: at least Jan Turk and Hannah Basova before on some level.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the French film Martyrs, either one of
Speaker 4: you I believe it's a very extreme, like horror kind
Speaker 4: of thing, but it involves a cult situation that's very
Speaker 4: similar to this, where it's all about breaking people down
Speaker 4: to find who they truly are, to like expose their
Speaker 4: ideal selves by torturing them or whatever.
Speaker 1: To get them closer to God.
Speaker 2: Close to God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this seems like the ideology that's at
Speaker 4: play here. It's very twisted and sick, but it reminds
Speaker 4: me of that. I'm wondering if that movie was inspired
Speaker 4: by this case at all.
Speaker 1: And that movie, while I'm very punishing, movie is actually
Speaker 1: very well done.
Speaker 2: It is for sure.
Speaker 4: There was an American remake that wasn't good, but living
Speaker 4: the French one is quite good.
Speaker 1: And if I'm remembering the correct one, that ending that
Speaker 1: stays with you. So Probably the most extreme escalation of
Speaker 1: violence here occurs when yon Skila and Jan Turik cover
Speaker 1: the children's heads with bags, tie them up, burn them
Speaker 1: with more cigarettes, and then they focus a lot of
Speaker 1: their abuse on Dredge. They rip off a piece of
Speaker 1: tissue from his buttocks and they burn the wound. According
Speaker 1: to some sources, he was forced to eat it and
Speaker 1: to prevent the screaming and yelling. From this torture, the
Speaker 1: group regularly taped the children's mouth shut. While all of
Speaker 1: this is happening, By September of two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: Clara begins the adoption process with Annika, and she does
Speaker 1: so with the doctor's approval. The mysterious doctor from the
Speaker 1: text messages again, but surprise, surprise, more shady stuff occurs.
Speaker 1: First in the Czech Republic, when you are adopting a child,
Speaker 1: the court requires a DNA test of the child. The
Speaker 1: doctor said this could not happen full stop because, according
Speaker 1: to the doctor, it might reveal Anna or Anka's leukemia,
Speaker 1: which for some reason he didn't want to have happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Clara was told that that would
Speaker 1: make the child unadoptable. Oh the child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to make things even more complicated, when Anna or
Speaker 1: Anika is supposed to go to court for this adoption
Speaker 1: hearing do you want this person to be your adoptive mom?
Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera. You're not being four to do
Speaker 1: this all the all the basic questions one would ask.
Speaker 1: Clara's sister Katerina instead contacts a local actor named Victor Scala,
Speaker 1: and Victor Scala's daughter impersonates Anna or Anka in front
Speaker 1: of the court, and at this time neither the daughter
Speaker 1: of Victor Scala, neither her name nor her picture have
Speaker 1: ever been published. Somehow, this whole, this whole con job worked.
Speaker 1: The court approved the adoption, and at that point the
Speaker 1: doctor has Clara Andredge Jacob Briacob and Anika move into
Speaker 1: a new house in that town in Kurrum. Anika has
Speaker 1: a normal room from descriptions, it had quite a few
Speaker 1: toys and it was painted a happy yellow color. The
Speaker 1: boys are tied up and the abuse continues in a
Speaker 1: seller and this is when Edward T, who I have
Speaker 1: been trying very hard not to call mister T over
Speaker 1: the course of this episode, discovers the abuse.
Speaker 2: So let's let's just let all that sink in for
Speaker 2: a second. Okay, we're back up to the point again
Speaker 2: where it's been discovered. Let's talk about the sisters, Katerina
Speaker 2: and Clara and what is going on with them, because
Speaker 2: none of this makes sense. Let's start somewhere right. So
Speaker 2: these sisters both were apparently exhibiting some signs of mental disorders,
Speaker 2: and they believed that they had received some kind of
Speaker 2: spiritual visions, something that is giving them higher than regular instructions,
Speaker 2: basically like martyrs. M Yeah, but they did say that
Speaker 2: they had been duped.
Speaker 1: They did so. They said that there when the police
Speaker 1: were discovered had discovered this event, and when it eventually
Speaker 1: went to trial, they said that the kids were beaten,
Speaker 1: sexually abused. Shocked more because the adopted daughter, Anika, was
Speaker 1: the mastermind behind it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, guess thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: Right, Anika and the mysterious text message email only doctor
Speaker 1: they said had brainwashed them. Police were not sure how
Speaker 1: to proceed. The three children were being held at a
Speaker 1: foster home kind of situation. But then Anna or Anika escaped,
Speaker 1: and as it turns out, Anna or Anika, whatever name
Speaker 1: you want to call, this person was not a child
Speaker 1: at all. You see, her real name was Bibora Skilova
Speaker 1: and she was thirty three years old.
Speaker 2: Wow that's a twist, Yeah, it really is. And if
Speaker 2: you look at pictures of her, you can find pictures
Speaker 2: of her online from various stages in her life, some
Speaker 2: family photos from early on when she was with the
Speaker 2: new family, as well as later photos of her, and
Speaker 2: she definitely he almost passes as a thirteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: And we're talking Christian Baale levels of physical fluidity, changing
Speaker 1: of appearance. So, according to Clara Morova, Bobora had incited
Speaker 1: this torture, gradually convincing the mom and her sister that
Speaker 1: she was being victimized by these boys, that they were
Speaker 1: being unfair, that they needed discipline, and she said, you know,
Speaker 1: my doctor saved my life. This is the only person
Speaker 1: who can advise them. And as the investigation unfolded, police
Speaker 1: realized they were dealing with more than an isolated case.
Speaker 1: They realized there were multiple people involved.
Speaker 4: So the so called friends of Anika's who were a
Speaker 4: party to this torture, such as the yans Yon Turrek
Speaker 4: and Yanscria, who by the way, turned out to be
Speaker 4: Barbora Skorlova's brother Yanscria that is also had known each
Speaker 4: other previously. And law enforcement began to really get the
Speaker 4: picture that there was more at play here than Metpi,
Speaker 4: and that they may actually be on the hunt for
Speaker 4: some kind of cult.
Speaker 2: And we'll get to that. Right after a word from
Speaker 2: our sponsor.
Speaker 1: We returned. I guess this segment of the episode could
Speaker 1: be called we were going to use Gallo's humor. Where
Speaker 1: in the world is Barbora Skilova. First she goes to Denmark,
Speaker 1: but the heat is catching on to her, so she
Speaker 1: flees Denmark. And this is right, This is right after
Speaker 1: she escapes the foster exactly ly. And she was eventually
Speaker 1: found later in Norway and Oslo, where she had purportedly
Speaker 1: originally come from. Right when she visited this house, she
Speaker 1: was living with other members of this organization or cult,
Speaker 1: and she was living as a thirteen year old boy
Speaker 1: named Adam. You can see pictures. She shaved her head.
Speaker 1: She went to school for three or four months. The
Speaker 1: only class she didn't go to was pe and her
Speaker 1: teachers didn't want to push it on her. Apparently she
Speaker 1: did such a good job that even later people who
Speaker 1: taught her would still refer to her as Adam. Police
Speaker 1: believe that Barbora's father, a man named Joseph or Yoseph Scala,
Speaker 1: may be the mastermind behind the torture. He was suspected
Speaker 1: by several sources to be the doctor behind those text messages.
Speaker 2: But it is not confirmed.
Speaker 1: But it is not confirmed. Yeah, so let's look a
Speaker 1: little bit more into the character of Joseph Scila.
Speaker 2: So this guy is believed to be the head of
Speaker 2: a group called the Ants, and this group allegedly began
Speaker 2: as just a hiking collective and then it ended up
Speaker 2: later evolving into some offshoot of this strange, enigmatic, controversial
Speaker 2: thing called the Grail movement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we want to pause just for a second
Speaker 1: there to explain what the Grail movement is. Sure, it
Speaker 1: started in Germany in the late nineteen forties, and it
Speaker 1: was the It follows the teachings of a guy named
Speaker 1: Oscar Ernst Bernhardt, who is also known by his pen
Speaker 1: name Abdrushin. He was a self proclaimed messiah, and he
Speaker 1: did not establish this organization himself. The movement was organized
Speaker 1: by people who followed them. They primarily wanted to disseminate
Speaker 1: and spread the work of a book he wrote, in
Speaker 1: the Light of the Truth, the Grail Message. There all
Speaker 1: around the world. They live in different areas, sixteen countries
Speaker 1: across Europe. They're also in twenty two African countries worldwide.
Speaker 1: They're somewhere in the neighborhood of ten thousand members. But they,
Speaker 1: for their part, were largely considered maybe maybe a little
Speaker 1: out there, a little off the beaten path, but not
Speaker 1: harmful you know what I mean. Certainly not as harmful
Speaker 1: as organizations such as say the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: Oh, shots fired and other things. But yeah, it's one
Speaker 2: of those kind of I don't know, just a little
Speaker 2: more eccentric new version of religions that ends up being
Speaker 2: called a cult because that's how we describe.
Speaker 1: Cults, right right. So from what we understand about this story,
Speaker 1: this group, the Ants was part of a larger organization
Speaker 1: similar to a scouting group in the US, like Girl
Speaker 1: Scouts or boy Scouts or I think didn't boy Scouts
Speaker 1: change their name now they're just scouting?
Speaker 2: I think you're right, right, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they I think now they will admit female children
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Girl Scouts are still around. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Tell us what you think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Too much money in those cookies, man.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Anybody who ever had to be
Speaker 1: in the Boy Scouts you'll understand. You'll understand exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I say that man peddling popcorn just
Speaker 1: did not compare.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Those cookies just sell themselves, true popcorn. You gotta have
Speaker 4: a really slick line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, popcorn, you gotta you've got to work the angles,
Speaker 1: for sure, sell popcorn. But this organization, this kind of
Speaker 1: scouting organization, they met up regularly. They would go hiking
Speaker 1: and camping, maybe twice a month or so. In Boy Scouts,
Speaker 1: groups of kids will be organized into smaller groups called troops,
Speaker 1: and troops are often going to be named after animals,
Speaker 1: like just almost any animal you can imagine. Rabbit, true, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great, the rabbits.
Speaker 2: The we blows, that was one of mine.
Speaker 1: You had a troop of boy Scouts called the wee Blows.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wasn't that just like the many boy scouts y's
Speaker 4: you know it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it was awesome, just for.
Speaker 1: Below cub right, I can't remember, is it cub scout?
Speaker 1: We blow boy scout? Okay, okay, but eagle right, coveted
Speaker 1: eagle like doctor Buzz rendezvous.
Speaker 4: Isn't there also life life Scout?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's life after eagle is the top one, and
Speaker 1: then you get life before that.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, gotcha? Okay, gotcha, I think.
Speaker 1: And then after that there are all things like order
Speaker 1: the arrow, and then do you want to be a
Speaker 1: Scout master? And that's cool. It's interesting. You know, our
Speaker 1: one of our coworkers and producers, Ramsey Yun, is an
Speaker 1: Eagle Scout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not.
Speaker 1: I am. I was gonna say, yeah, I just wanted
Speaker 1: in another life. In another life, I paid my dues
Speaker 1: in the boy. That came out way more cryptic than
Speaker 1: I meant. I meant that I had to go get
Speaker 1: orienteering marit badges and stuff.
Speaker 4: That's fair.
Speaker 2: Wow. So this group, the Ants, was just kind of
Speaker 2: like one of those yeah, the same, but kind of
Speaker 2: like it. They were just called the Ants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Rabbits to Nola's example. Is so even now,
Speaker 1: we don't know very much about the internal escalation that
Speaker 1: led this group, that led Joseph Scala and his followers
Speaker 1: to go from being a hiking enthusiast group to possibly
Speaker 1: an offshoot of this other new spiritual movement. But we
Speaker 1: do know that psychological experts studied Barbora Scarlova extensively while
Speaker 1: she was in custody and while she's under supervision, and
Speaker 1: this again is going to be a situation where we
Speaker 1: do want to give a warning about the graphic nature
Speaker 1: of their findings. So in their investigation, the way that
Speaker 1: the trial went is that the trial didn't really focus
Speaker 1: on the mysterious doctor because they couldn't find that person,
Speaker 1: couldn't prove who it was, so instead they looked at
Speaker 1: Clara and Katerina as the instigators along with Barbora or Anika,
Speaker 1: and according to the psychologists, Barbora was the main initiator
Speaker 1: and manipulator of the situation. She initiated the abuse by
Speaker 1: getting the grown ups quote unquote grown ups, because let's
Speaker 1: not forget she was in her thirties to abuse these children.
Speaker 1: And when she was arrested in Oslo, Norway, living as
Speaker 1: thirteen year old kid named Adam, police also found her diary,
Speaker 1: and in her diary, she allegedly described all the details
Speaker 1: about her various identities, including how she prepared herself, and
Speaker 1: experts said that beyond a shadow of a doubt, this
Speaker 1: woman does not have schizophrenia or a similar disease. She
Speaker 1: knows what she's doing is wrong, she can differentiate between
Speaker 1: good and evil, and she's wearing multiple identities just to
Speaker 1: manipulate people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not multiple personality disorder anything to that effect.
Speaker 2: It's I'm doing this to get something.
Speaker 4: Well, and she's obviously successful at it. I mean this,
Speaker 4: the amount of effort that's going into these schemes is outrageous.
Speaker 4: Like you said, Ben Christian Bale, method Meisner kind of
Speaker 4: like levels of yeah prep.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's one of the craziest things. You'd think
Speaker 2: someone like this is a criminal mastermind of some sort
Speaker 2: of genius level of person elector yeah. Yeah, But her
Speaker 2: her IQ levels were tested multiple times and she consistently
Speaker 2: came back as around ninety nine, which is not not
Speaker 2: a genius. It's I mean, it's it's fine, it's functioning,
Speaker 2: but it's you know, I don't know what do you
Speaker 2: guys know what your IQs are, at least from the tests.
Speaker 2: I don't know mine is either I'm hoping I'm in
Speaker 2: the hundred something range.
Speaker 1: Your way up there.
Speaker 2: I honestly havenoyed less. We should all take one.
Speaker 4: I don't know, we have to go one, two three share.
Speaker 1: Also, the IQ test is I'm sure several folks listening
Speaker 1: along with us will point out, is just cartoonishly flawed.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and here's the here's the thing. The big question,
Speaker 2: right she kept scoring ninety nine, is that because she
Speaker 2: wanted to score around to ninety nine?
Speaker 1: Good question? Is it an affectation right, Because what they
Speaker 1: also found was that the experts believe that this person
Speaker 1: had consciously chosen to live as a child on all
Speaker 1: levels on you know, like we said that like a
Speaker 1: Meisner Daniel day Lewis level where production never raps and
Speaker 1: the movie never ends.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: This allows her to avoid taking responsibility for her actions,
Speaker 1: and they say, at the same time, it allows her
Speaker 1: to get the attention that she desperately seeks, because they
Speaker 1: said she had what's called a histrionic personality and a
Speaker 1: strong inclination to manipulative behavior. They also had sexologists study her.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize they were called sexologists, And you.
Speaker 1: Know, it may be an error of translation on my part.
Speaker 2: I hope not.
Speaker 4: It's a very straightforward name for a profession.
Speaker 1: It's a legit thing, sexology, scientific studies of course.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, So the people in this profession
Speaker 4: proved that she definitely has sata masochistic predispositions, which I
Speaker 4: could see that as being very clear from her actions
Speaker 4: and with lesbian and pedophilic orientation also pretty clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In other words, she means this means, I guess,
Speaker 2: or kind of tells us that she is excited by
Speaker 2: the exploitation and torture of children. She is sexually stimulated
Speaker 2: by that, which is that's the horror that we were
Speaker 2: talking about at the top of the show.
Speaker 4: That's what they call a bad combo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a monster made flesh. I haven't you know? This
Speaker 1: is this is the kind of thing that you would
Speaker 1: maybe here associated with very monstrous serial killers. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like Albert Fish or something.
Speaker 2: Well, and it gets us into some of the most
Speaker 2: most basic but controversial and difficult to discuss topics, which
Speaker 2: is the whole nature versus nurture thing of when you
Speaker 2: you know, when you're when you're born, or what happens
Speaker 2: to you, What creates something like that in someone? Generally,
Speaker 2: my opinion would be that some thing happens to you,
Speaker 2: that that person is made that person is things happen
Speaker 2: to that person to create that kind of orientation, in
Speaker 2: my opinion. And you know, when you think about the doctor,
Speaker 2: whoever that person was, if it was, in fact, you know,
Speaker 2: the father.
Speaker 4: You'd think maybe for it to be that specific, such
Speaker 4: a specific hang up, a specific fetish, I guess as
Speaker 4: a lack of it for lack of a better term. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, it's a lot of a lot of serial murderers
Speaker 1: have either a history of abuse or a history of
Speaker 1: brain injury. Oh, absolutely, that triggers them. And then I
Speaker 1: guess if we're looking at maybe a mental condition like schizophrenia,
Speaker 1: you know, they're having people who have committed murders because
Speaker 1: they have a break. But this sounds so calculated on
Speaker 1: this person's part, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the in the show I work on outside
Speaker 4: of this one about the kill or Keith Hunter jesperson,
Speaker 4: he had a head injury. He also had a very manipulative,
Speaker 4: abusive father that he kind of kowtowed too when he
Speaker 4: was a child. And he also just had a predisposition
Speaker 4: to violence, and so it was kind of a combination
Speaker 4: of nature. It's sort of the show's about is like
Speaker 4: kind of like pinning down where that divide is, and
Speaker 4: you see that in all these cases. But I agree
Speaker 4: with you, Matt, that the more abhorrent and kind of
Speaker 4: out there that the predilections are for these people, like,
Speaker 4: the more likely that part is they experienced something something
Speaker 4: was done to them that they carried with them. That's
Speaker 4: that's chilling.
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Speaker 4: Thanks Ben. We've had a couple episodes left and we
Speaker 4: took a break off for the holidays, but it's back
Speaker 4: strong to me, twelve episodes total, so it chicks me,
Speaker 4: Thanks dude.
Speaker 1: And as these details emerge. When we first did this video,
Speaker 1: we didn't have have the benefit of this expert analysis, right,
Speaker 1: We didn't find that the first time around, So the
Speaker 1: video is much shorter, but we have some additional details
Speaker 1: as well as the different specific aspects of this case
Speaker 1: and this horrific event, a horrific series of events emerges.
Speaker 1: The Grail movement themselves deny any involvement with this sect
Speaker 1: or this group, or this community or this dare I say,
Speaker 1: this cult known as the Ants, and they also denied
Speaker 1: any involvement with other offshoot sects of the movement, sort
Speaker 1: of like how sort of like how a mom's in
Speaker 1: the Muslim world will deny the nation of Islam. They'll say,
Speaker 1: that's a different religion. We're Muslim, they're something else.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Well, and the other thing
Speaker 2: here is the quality and the amount of filming the
Speaker 2: cameras that were set up to monitor this abuse. They
Speaker 2: were of such a level that it's thought that perhaps
Speaker 2: this was something bigger than just Barbara up there as
Speaker 2: Anika watching it for her own pleasure, or you know,
Speaker 2: could it have been somebody else also watching it? Was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there more to this story? And that I
Speaker 1: think is the most frightening aspect of this because that
Speaker 1: is largely the question upon which our story ends. Publicly,
Speaker 1: no one really knows what happened. Somehow Joseph Scala escaped.
Speaker 1: He was never charged with a crime, just like Kaiser
Speaker 1: Souse disappeared. His whereabouts are unknown as we record this.
Speaker 1: We don't even know if he was actually the doctor,
Speaker 1: which I wanted to ask ask everyone, do do we
Speaker 1: think it's possible that, in addition to impersonating these different people,
Speaker 1: Barbara herself could have been the doctor, like with a
Speaker 1: hidden phone sending text messages or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because then she did meet Clara, did meet somebody in
Speaker 1: the car, right yeah, ooh, so you have to wonder.
Speaker 1: We do have good news of a sort of all
Speaker 1: the people who are charged in this trial, Clara, Katerina,
Speaker 1: jan Turik, Hanna Bosova, Jon Skila and his sister Barboris Sklova,
Speaker 1: all of them were found guilty and they were all sentence,
Speaker 1: but they have all served their sentences already and they
Speaker 1: live free somewhere in the world, at least as far
Speaker 1: as we can find. Barboris Sklova was released from prison
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, and now people believe she's either been
Speaker 1: living in South Moravia or a place called Berna, Brno.
Speaker 1: The most recent reports show that she is living under
Speaker 1: a new name, no longer plays the piano. She was
Speaker 1: noted as a talented pianist. She's under the monitoring of
Speaker 1: the Probation and Mediation Service or Medication Service. According to
Speaker 1: the psychiatrist who observe her, she has severe mental difficulties
Speaker 1: and she often appears to switch between one or more
Speaker 1: of her previous young male personalities. Here's another thing to
Speaker 1: add to that troubling possibility, that breadcrumb of a larger
Speaker 1: ring people. She has more more young personalities than Anika
Speaker 1: Anna r Adam. Yeah, she exhibits multiple ones.
Speaker 2: And is that because she has been she's infected other
Speaker 2: families in the past.
Speaker 4: Earlier we said that she was analyzed and there were
Speaker 4: no signs of multiple personalities. Cazophrannia like calculated even more
Speaker 4: or is this like a project monarch?
Speaker 1: Thing. Yeah, something is placed upon psyche.
Speaker 4: Good god, this story is the stuff of nightmares. And
Speaker 4: I know this sounds really messed up to say, but
Speaker 4: I would be interested to see this handled very artfully
Speaker 4: in a film. Maybe it's too I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's almost like giving a short shrift to the victims
Speaker 4: to even consider making this into some kind of work
Speaker 4: of you know, fictionalized account or whatever like that. But
Speaker 4: it's just got all the intrigue and the twists and
Speaker 4: like you could, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I think there was some I want to say, when
Speaker 1: we were working on this few years back, there was
Speaker 1: some film that maybe borrowed aspects of the story, but
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was just they were borrowing the
Speaker 1: idea of an adult impersonating a child so successfully for
Speaker 1: so long.
Speaker 2: It's the it's called orphan.
Speaker 1: Orphan, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: It was available like not that long ago at least,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it came out that long ago either.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine, Yeah, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh god, that's it's over nine years ago. We're all, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, maybe we're aging like wine or
Speaker 1: a good cheese, like fine wine, like fine a minor
Speaker 1: fine cheese.
Speaker 2: Those tannins are really shown up.
Speaker 1: So at this point, unfortunately, this story is probably not over.
Speaker 1: But this is where the path drops off. We don't
Speaker 1: know much else about what's happened. We do know that,
Speaker 1: according to the psychiatric reports, while Barbora has stopped playing
Speaker 1: piano near as much, she does spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time drawing quote, very morbid pictures. As for what happened
Speaker 1: to this group, this possible cult, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call them, Where the leader is, if the leader exist,
Speaker 1: if the so called doctor exists, what their plans are
Speaker 1: for other children or other families. For now, it's something
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's a relatively successful conspiracy.
Speaker 4: And that's something that I'm perfectly happy to close the
Speaker 4: book on for today, because geez, the lease.
Speaker 2: I remember the feeling in twenty fourteen when I finished
Speaker 2: the video. I didn't ever want to think about this
Speaker 2: ever again.
Speaker 1: And here we are, and here we are.
Speaker 2: Pull you back in, Matt, Well we got through it.
Speaker 4: Well, you're an intrepid traveler, my friend.
Speaker 2: We've made it through guys, all of us.
Speaker 1: We can end on a completely unrelated different note that's
Speaker 1: not near as suppressing. Okay, scary, here it is. We
Speaker 1: want to thank Spencer C. Schlooter who dropped by our
Speaker 1: community page here's where it gets crazy and hipped us
Speaker 1: to an amazing story that I did not believe at first,
Speaker 1: even though it's in Time magazine.
Speaker 2: It's titled the US military believes people have a sixth sense.
Speaker 2: That's cool, yeah, intuition. Since twenty fourteen, the Office of
Speaker 2: Naval Research apparently has embarked on a four year, three
Speaker 2: point eighty five million dollar research program to explore premonitions,
Speaker 2: intuition or what we have on this show before called
Speaker 2: spider sense. That's right, and specifically they're looking at it
Speaker 2: for I was going to say for use, or looking
Speaker 2: at it in application to apply to sailors and marines,
Speaker 2: people who are actually in the fighting force, and or
Speaker 2: people who are surveilling.
Speaker 1: We should do an episode on this. What do you think? Yes, agreed,
Speaker 1: a sense that we may that's the worse joke. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, everybody. Enjoy is the
Speaker 1: wrong word, but we hope you have found this as
Speaker 1: strange as we have this story. Let us know if
Speaker 1: you have any updates on the Kurum case or the
Speaker 1: case of the ants and let us know if you
Speaker 1: have found stories in your neck of the woods that
Speaker 1: are similar.
Speaker 4: I know this goes without saying, but if you suspect
Speaker 4: a child, you know, a friend of one of your children,
Speaker 4: perhaps is being mistreated. Any way, there are resources for
Speaker 4: reporting this beyond just calling the police. I mean, there
Speaker 4: are you know, people that can help absolutely.
Speaker 1: In the US and Canada, you can contact the Child
Speaker 1: Help National Child Abuse Hotline. Its staff twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day, seven days a week, with professional crisis counselors
Speaker 1: and interpreters that can provide assistance in over one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy languages. That hotline is one eight hundred for
Speaker 1: a child or one eight hundred four to two two
Speaker 1: four four five three.
Speaker 4: But if you feel a child is in imminent d
Speaker 4: sure you know, call call it.
Speaker 1: Please, yeah, don't hesitate.
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