1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Fillow conspiracy Realist. We are beyond excited and maybe a 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: little bit punchy to bring you a story that absolutely 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: rocked us the first time we read about it. Do 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: you remember this, Matt. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: I can't forget this, and I really wish I could, 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: So maybe you think about that before moving forward with 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: this episode. You already played it, so you know, we 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: get the download. It's cool this one. It haunts my 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: dreams too. 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: It's really upsetting, and we have I think, Matt, you 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: and I both have a pretty a pretty strong constitution 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to learning about and exploring dark, disturbing things. 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: But our tale this evening takes place in two thousand 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: and seven when a guy in a small town in 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: the Czech Republic in Chechia is he's happy he's a 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: new father. He says, I'm going to get a baby monitor, 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: I keep an eye on my baby, and then instead 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: he learns something very disturbing about his neighbors. 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, connects to another camera and what he finds is 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: it's horrible. If you are sensitive to the abuse of children, 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: then caution yourself away from this one because it's not 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: in the title. Just be careful. It's there it's worth 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: your time, though, so just use your own judgment. 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: And that's just the beginning. 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: name is Nolan. 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Control dec At most importantly, 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Before we begin today's episode, 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: we want to include a very important disclaimer or call 35 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: it a trigger warning, call it what you will. It's 36 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: important for us to say at the offset of today's 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: episode that this show will contain descriptions of graphic child abuse, 38 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: very dark and true things. 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: In psychological horror. 40 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: Really and if this is something that personally you feel 41 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: that you should not be listening to, then now is 42 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: the time. Just wait for our next episode to come out. 43 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: Use our old adage turn back. 44 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: Now, Yes, exactly man, exactly as you can. 45 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: Yes, that's part of the adage as well. 46 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: Yes that's true, that's exactly true. This topic existed on 47 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: our show first as a video series back when we 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: were doing YouTube. 49 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: Roughly four years ago, well over four years. 50 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: And longtime listeners, you know that we have covered many 51 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: things on the audio podcast that we never made videos of, 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: and we have also covered many things on video that 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: we've never made an audio podcast. Lest you think that 54 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: this is just a rehash of the video, we would 55 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: like to let you know that this episode is much 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: more in depth and it includes some pertinent updates. Our 57 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: story begins in a small town with a population of 58 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: the little over ten thousand people called Kurrham in the 59 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Czech Republic in May of two thousand and seven. 60 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: Yes, and in this small town there was a new 61 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: father named Edward T, mister Edward T. And he did 62 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: something simple that almost every new parent has done, or 63 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: many new parents have done. He installed a CCTV camera 64 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: baby monitor so we could watch the new baby. 65 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: In the nursery room or nursery area of their house. 66 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: But there was a malfunction. Matt instead of seeing his 67 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: own wee little tyke and the camera feed, he picked 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: up a different signal. And in this signal he saw 69 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: two children, two young boys, covered in filth, chained or 70 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: tied up and restrained, locked in a cellar and being 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: tortured by two women. One of the boys was naked 72 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 1: on the floor, his hands were strained behind his back 73 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: and he was being forced as mister Edward t watched 74 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: who was being forced to eat food from the floor 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: like a dog. 76 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can find video stills like Ben found, 77 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: and we would not recommend looking at them, but if 78 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: you need to understand it, you can find them. 79 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: And if you such is there, they're not. There's nothing 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: that would be problematic as far as like having on 81 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 4: your computer or something like that. Yeah, just kind of right, vignettes. 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: They're sort of like the side of a face, and 83 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: there's nothing graphic overtly graphic about them, but they are 84 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 4: they are chilling. 85 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see you can see the force feeding and. 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: The Yeah, and that's I mean, that's a really good point, Nol. 87 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because I'm sure several 88 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: of us listening we're thinking, wait, is this something that 89 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't be on my computer. 90 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 4: It's like three or four of them. Oh yeah, and 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 4: then you know they immediately make you feel repelled and disgusted, 92 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: But they're not inherently graphic. 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: Right, and so we can only imagine what is going 94 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: through Edward's mind as he watches this. Is this some 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: odd malfunction? Is this some hallucination? What he quickly realized, 96 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: most likely based on the details of the seller that 97 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: he could see in the background, was that this house 98 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: seemed fairly similar to his own, and he deduced that 99 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: this was indeed a camera feed from a similar baby 100 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: monitor in his neighbor's house. Naturally, not being a monster himself, 101 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: Edward called the police, and here's where it gets crazy. 102 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: Very quickly, yeah, very very quickly. So the police proceed 103 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: to the neighbor's home, which is occupied by Clara and 104 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: Katerina Marova. They're two sisters who are living at this 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: house where they believe the feed has been coming from. 106 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: And the two boys that were on the camera that 107 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: were seen were Andreje and Jacob. These are Clara's sons. 108 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: So Clara's sons, Andrea and Jacob. But those weren't the 109 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: only people they found at the house. 110 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Police found two adults and three children. 111 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: The third child was an adopted daughter, the adopted daughter 112 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: of Clara Morova, a thirteen year old named Anika or 113 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Anna sulternately called both. She ran into the arms of 114 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: the police, sobbing about the terrible and horrific abuse that 115 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: she had endured. She directed the police to the boys 116 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: in the cellarn They had serious grievous wounds. One of 117 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: the boys died in the hospital, and evidence indicated that 118 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: the adults had been slowly skinning him and either eating 119 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: parts of him or forcing him to eat parts of himself. 120 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Let's pause there, Let's rewind two years. How did we 121 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: get to this situation, because up until two thousand and five, 122 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Clara Morova was a single mother of two and her 123 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: two sons Andredge and Jacob or as we talked about 124 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: off air, perhaps pronounced yakub jakub and Andredge n d 125 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: r e j. These two kids lived pretty good lives, 126 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: you know. They went to summer camp, they had a 127 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: knack for language, they loved to play outdoors. But things 128 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: began to change when Clara's sister Katerina visited the house 129 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: and she brought along this thirteen year old orphan sometimes 130 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: called Anna, sometimes called Anika and Anika. 131 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: At the time, she would have been eleven. 132 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: At the time she would have been eleven, that's right. 133 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: Anika had a terrible, terrible story. She had escaped an abusive, 134 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: possibly a child trafficking ring in Norway, and now as 135 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: a result of this escape, she is under the protection 136 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: of a secret organization, and Clara, being a very good 137 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: hearted person at first, almost instantly becomes a nurturing maternal 138 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: figure to Anna. 139 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: And apparently Anna is suffering from various diseases. She has leukemia, 140 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: her kidneys are failing, she's going blind and deaf, and 141 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: she's spending a significant amount of time in the hospital 142 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: because of all of these things that are going wrong 143 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 2: with her. 144 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: And it's important to note that it's always Clara's sister 145 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Katerina who takes Anna to the hospital. Clara is never 146 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: allowed to accompany her, but she is in contact with 147 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: Anna's doctor. She starts receiving instructions via text message and 148 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: email from this mysterious doctor who is, as far as 149 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: Clara knows, the only person who knows how to fully 150 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: treat Anna or Anika for both her psychological and her 151 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: physical trauma. And these treatments get very weird, very quickly. 152 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: One of the treatments that Clara Morova later mentions in 153 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: court was that the doctor instructed her to rub Anna's body, 154 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: especially her crotch part, for several hours and then this 155 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: would improve her quality of life. Keep in mind, again, 156 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: this is as far as Clara knows at this time. 157 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: This is an eleven year old. 158 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, shaking my head. 159 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: It's dark stuff. Clara never meets the doctor at all 160 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: except one time. 161 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the car in the dark, so she couldn't 162 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: actually see this person's face at all. But this is 163 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: still a doctor, so the trust in some way in 164 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: the institution that he represents, it's still there for her. 165 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: And he also was a diplomat. Yeah, he showed Clara 166 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: diplomatic passport, and he also passed along what he said 167 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: were Anna's medical files. And later Clara said, I know 168 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: it sounds naive, but the fact that he was a 169 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: diplomat and a doctor was a guarantee of authority for me, 170 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: and so I trusted him. Okay. 171 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 2: So when Anna was at home, she would describe these 172 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: horrifying stories about sexual abuse that she experienced while she 173 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: was in Norway. And during the days when she's hospitalized, 174 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: when she's constantly there, Clara was supposed to talk to 175 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: her on the phone several times a day, and this person, 176 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: this doctor, would mediate Clara's messages to Anna so she 177 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: can hear mommy while unconscious, so she would be at 178 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: the hospital and stay unconscious for periods of time, at 179 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: least according to what Clara knew. 180 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, And by two thousand and six, Clara paid less 181 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 4: and less and less attention to her own children, and 182 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: her sons spent more time at their grandparents' house than 183 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: they did at home. And Clara was still trying to 184 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: help help Anika recover from her traumatic experiences in Norway 185 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: and ultimately decided that she wanted to adopt her, but. 186 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: The doctor said there would be huge problems with this. 187 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: He told Clara that an adoption would not be possible 188 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: the authorities would never approve it because her sons were 189 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: being abusive toward Anika. So the doctor told Clara she 190 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: needed to cure the boys to remove the evil spirits 191 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: inhabiting them by instituting a regimen of therapy, and he 192 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: said the appropriate therapy was hard discipline and physical punishment. 193 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: Clara began beating the boys repeatedly, often for very minor 194 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: perceived in fractions. She would use her bare hands, a 195 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: belt or a wooden kitchen spoon. She would also lock 196 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: them in the closet or bathroom for punishment, for a 197 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: kind of time out situation where often they were forced 198 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: to stay there overnight. Eventually, the doctor decided that this 199 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: therapy was inadequate, and we'll return after a word from 200 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: our sponsors. 201 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: So when we left, we heard that the doctor decided 202 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: that this physical punishment that was being enacted on these 203 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: boys was not enough. And Clara is told then by 204 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: the doctor to stop behaving as their mother, and she's 205 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: ordered to take the boys and move to this other town. 206 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: It's a small town in a different district. Okay. So 207 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: the doctor then advises a stronger type of therapy, not 208 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: just the physical stuff, at least the kind that he 209 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: had prescribed before. And in this place, this new house, 210 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: Clara meets with Jan Scurla a different person, and Yan 211 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: Turk both spelled to Ja, and they also meet with 212 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: Hannah Basova, and of course Katerina also joins them. 213 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: The sister. Yeah. 214 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so this escalation I guess that was recommended 215 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 4: involved the following and this is big time trigger warning territory, 216 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 4: I would say. So the boys were kept in dogs 217 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: cages and they were not allowed to communicate with each 218 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 4: other at all, nor to have any of the comforts 219 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:33,479 Speaker 4: of being physically held by their mother. Clara helped simulate 220 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 4: drowning them in a bucket, waterboarding essentially, while Katerina held 221 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: their hands. 222 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. In addition, they were burned with cigarettes, scratched with 223 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: forks and cutlery, hog tied for long periods of time, 224 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: forced to recite quote vulgar sentences. We don't know what 225 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: those are. But they were also made to beat one another, 226 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: and Jacob was at least one instance forced to protec 227 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: and he was dead and lay in a hole that 228 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: had been dug in the grounds of the compounds. 229 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: So the Yons were connected with the doctor. They were 230 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: his like acolytes and some. 231 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Yon and the Yons and Hannah as well as Katerina 232 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: were members of something. Yeah, and that that's something still 233 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: remains mysterious today. But they were, Yeah, they were affiliated. 234 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: They weren't just random people. And there's there's pretty compelling 235 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: evidence that Clara actually knew or had been familiar with 236 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: at least Jan Turk and Hannah Basova before on some level. 237 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: Have you seen the French film Martyrs, either one of 238 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: you I believe it's a very extreme, like horror kind 239 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: of thing, but it involves a cult situation that's very 240 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 4: similar to this, where it's all about breaking people down 241 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: to find who they truly are, to like expose their 242 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: ideal selves by torturing them or whatever. 243 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: To get them closer to God. 244 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: Close to God. 245 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this seems like the ideology that's at 246 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 4: play here. It's very twisted and sick, but it reminds 247 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: me of that. I'm wondering if that movie was inspired 248 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: by this case at all. 249 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: And that movie, while I'm very punishing, movie is actually 250 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: very well done. 251 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: It is for sure. 252 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: There was an American remake that wasn't good, but living 253 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: the French one is quite good. 254 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: And if I'm remembering the correct one, that ending that 255 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: stays with you. So Probably the most extreme escalation of 256 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: violence here occurs when yon Skila and Jan Turik cover 257 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: the children's heads with bags, tie them up, burn them 258 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: with more cigarettes, and then they focus a lot of 259 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: their abuse on Dredge. They rip off a piece of 260 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: tissue from his buttocks and they burn the wound. According 261 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: to some sources, he was forced to eat it and 262 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: to prevent the screaming and yelling. From this torture, the 263 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: group regularly taped the children's mouth shut. While all of 264 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: this is happening, By September of two thousand and six, 265 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: Clara begins the adoption process with Annika, and she does 266 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: so with the doctor's approval. The mysterious doctor from the 267 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: text messages again, but surprise, surprise, more shady stuff occurs. 268 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: First in the Czech Republic, when you are adopting a child, 269 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: the court requires a DNA test of the child. The 270 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: doctor said this could not happen full stop because, according 271 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: to the doctor, it might reveal Anna or Anka's leukemia, 272 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: which for some reason he didn't want to have happened. Yeah, 273 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Clara was told that that would 274 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: make the child unadoptable. Oh the child. 275 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 276 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: So to make things even more complicated, when Anna or 277 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: Anika is supposed to go to court for this adoption 278 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: hearing do you want this person to be your adoptive mom? 279 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera. You're not being four to do 280 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: this all the all the basic questions one would ask. 281 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: Clara's sister Katerina instead contacts a local actor named Victor Scala, 282 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: and Victor Scala's daughter impersonates Anna or Anka in front 283 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: of the court, and at this time neither the daughter 284 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: of Victor Scala, neither her name nor her picture have 285 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: ever been published. Somehow, this whole, this whole con job worked. 286 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: The court approved the adoption, and at that point the 287 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: doctor has Clara Andredge Jacob Briacob and Anika move into 288 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: a new house in that town in Kurrum. Anika has 289 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: a normal room from descriptions, it had quite a few 290 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: toys and it was painted a happy yellow color. The 291 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: boys are tied up and the abuse continues in a 292 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: seller and this is when Edward T, who I have 293 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: been trying very hard not to call mister T over 294 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: the course of this episode, discovers the abuse. 295 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 2: So let's let's just let all that sink in for 296 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: a second. Okay, we're back up to the point again 297 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: where it's been discovered. Let's talk about the sisters, Katerina 298 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: and Clara and what is going on with them, because 299 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: none of this makes sense. Let's start somewhere right. So 300 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: these sisters both were apparently exhibiting some signs of mental disorders, 301 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: and they believed that they had received some kind of 302 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: spiritual visions, something that is giving them higher than regular instructions, 303 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: basically like martyrs. M Yeah, but they did say that 304 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 2: they had been duped. 305 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: They did so. They said that there when the police 306 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: were discovered had discovered this event, and when it eventually 307 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: went to trial, they said that the kids were beaten, 308 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: sexually abused. Shocked more because the adopted daughter, Anika, was 309 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: the mastermind behind it. 310 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: And yeah, guess thirteen year old girl. 311 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: Right, Anika and the mysterious text message email only doctor 312 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: they said had brainwashed them. Police were not sure how 313 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: to proceed. The three children were being held at a 314 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: foster home kind of situation. But then Anna or Anika escaped, 315 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: and as it turns out, Anna or Anika, whatever name 316 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: you want to call, this person was not a child 317 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: at all. You see, her real name was Bibora Skilova 318 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: and she was thirty three years old. 319 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: Wow that's a twist, Yeah, it really is. And if 320 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: you look at pictures of her, you can find pictures 321 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: of her online from various stages in her life, some 322 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: family photos from early on when she was with the 323 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: new family, as well as later photos of her, and 324 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: she definitely he almost passes as a thirteen year old girl. 325 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: And we're talking Christian Baale levels of physical fluidity, changing 326 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: of appearance. So, according to Clara Morova, Bobora had incited 327 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: this torture, gradually convincing the mom and her sister that 328 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: she was being victimized by these boys, that they were 329 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 1: being unfair, that they needed discipline, and she said, you know, 330 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: my doctor saved my life. This is the only person 331 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: who can advise them. And as the investigation unfolded, police 332 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: realized they were dealing with more than an isolated case. 333 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: They realized there were multiple people involved. 334 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 4: So the so called friends of Anika's who were a 335 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 4: party to this torture, such as the yans Yon Turrek 336 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 4: and Yanscria, who by the way, turned out to be 337 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 4: Barbora Skorlova's brother Yanscria that is also had known each 338 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 4: other previously. And law enforcement began to really get the 339 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 4: picture that there was more at play here than Metpi, 340 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: and that they may actually be on the hunt for 341 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 4: some kind of cult. 342 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: And we'll get to that. Right after a word from 343 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: our sponsor. 344 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: We returned. I guess this segment of the episode could 345 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: be called we were going to use Gallo's humor. Where 346 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: in the world is Barbora Skilova. First she goes to Denmark, 347 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: but the heat is catching on to her, so she 348 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: flees Denmark. And this is right, This is right after 349 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: she escapes the foster exactly ly. And she was eventually 350 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: found later in Norway and Oslo, where she had purportedly 351 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: originally come from. Right when she visited this house, she 352 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: was living with other members of this organization or cult, 353 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: and she was living as a thirteen year old boy 354 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: named Adam. You can see pictures. She shaved her head. 355 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: She went to school for three or four months. The 356 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: only class she didn't go to was pe and her 357 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: teachers didn't want to push it on her. Apparently she 358 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: did such a good job that even later people who 359 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: taught her would still refer to her as Adam. Police 360 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: believe that Barbora's father, a man named Joseph or Yoseph Scala, 361 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: may be the mastermind behind the torture. He was suspected 362 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: by several sources to be the doctor behind those text messages. 363 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: But it is not confirmed. 364 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: But it is not confirmed. Yeah, so let's look a 365 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: little bit more into the character of Joseph Scila. 366 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: So this guy is believed to be the head of 367 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: a group called the Ants, and this group allegedly began 368 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: as just a hiking collective and then it ended up 369 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: later evolving into some offshoot of this strange, enigmatic, controversial 370 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: thing called the Grail movement. 371 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if we want to pause just for a second 372 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: there to explain what the Grail movement is. Sure, it 373 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: started in Germany in the late nineteen forties, and it 374 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: was the It follows the teachings of a guy named 375 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: Oscar Ernst Bernhardt, who is also known by his pen 376 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: name Abdrushin. He was a self proclaimed messiah, and he 377 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: did not establish this organization himself. The movement was organized 378 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: by people who followed them. They primarily wanted to disseminate 379 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: and spread the work of a book he wrote, in 380 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: the Light of the Truth, the Grail Message. There all 381 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: around the world. They live in different areas, sixteen countries 382 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: across Europe. They're also in twenty two African countries worldwide. 383 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: They're somewhere in the neighborhood of ten thousand members. But they, 384 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: for their part, were largely considered maybe maybe a little 385 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: out there, a little off the beaten path, but not 386 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: harmful you know what I mean. Certainly not as harmful 387 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: as organizations such as say the Catholic Church. 388 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Oh, shots fired and other things. But yeah, it's one 389 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: of those kind of I don't know, just a little 390 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: more eccentric new version of religions that ends up being 391 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: called a cult because that's how we describe. 392 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: Cults, right right. So from what we understand about this story, 393 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: this group, the Ants was part of a larger organization 394 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: similar to a scouting group in the US, like Girl 395 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: Scouts or boy Scouts or I think didn't boy Scouts 396 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: change their name now they're just scouting? 397 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: I think you're right, right, I didn't know that. 398 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, they I think now they will admit female children 399 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: as well. 400 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: Wonderful, we'll see. 401 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: I mean, the Girl Scouts are still around. Yeah, I 402 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Tell us what you think 403 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: about it. 404 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: Too much money in those cookies, man. 405 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Anybody who ever had to be 406 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: in the Boy Scouts you'll understand. You'll understand exactly what 407 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying when I say that man peddling popcorn just 408 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: did not compare. 409 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: Well. 410 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 4: Those cookies just sell themselves, true popcorn. You gotta have 411 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: a really slick line. 412 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, popcorn, you gotta you've got to work the angles, 413 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: for sure, sell popcorn. But this organization, this kind of 414 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: scouting organization, they met up regularly. They would go hiking 415 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: and camping, maybe twice a month or so. In Boy Scouts, 416 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: groups of kids will be organized into smaller groups called troops, 417 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: and troops are often going to be named after animals, 418 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: like just almost any animal you can imagine. Rabbit, true, yeah, 419 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: that's great, the rabbits. 420 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: The we blows, that was one of mine. 421 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: You had a troop of boy Scouts called the wee Blows. 422 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, wasn't that just like the many boy scouts y's 423 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 4: you know it's. 424 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it was awesome, just for. 425 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: Below cub right, I can't remember, is it cub scout? 426 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: We blow boy scout? Okay, okay, but eagle right, coveted 427 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: eagle like doctor Buzz rendezvous. 428 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 4: Isn't there also life life Scout? 429 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's life after eagle is the top one, and 430 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: then you get life before that. 431 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 4: Oh wow, gotcha? Okay, gotcha, I think. 432 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: And then after that there are all things like order 433 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: the arrow, and then do you want to be a 434 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: Scout master? And that's cool. It's interesting. You know, our 435 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: one of our coworkers and producers, Ramsey Yun, is an 436 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Eagle Scout. 437 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're not. 438 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: I am. I was gonna say, yeah, I just wanted 439 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: in another life. In another life, I paid my dues 440 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: in the boy. That came out way more cryptic than 441 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: I meant. I meant that I had to go get 442 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: orienteering marit badges and stuff. 443 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 4: That's fair. 444 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: Wow. So this group, the Ants, was just kind of 445 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: like one of those yeah, the same, but kind of 446 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: like it. They were just called the Ants. 447 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the Rabbits to Nola's example. Is so even now, 448 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: we don't know very much about the internal escalation that 449 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: led this group, that led Joseph Scala and his followers 450 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: to go from being a hiking enthusiast group to possibly 451 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: an offshoot of this other new spiritual movement. But we 452 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: do know that psychological experts studied Barbora Scarlova extensively while 453 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: she was in custody and while she's under supervision, and 454 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: this again is going to be a situation where we 455 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: do want to give a warning about the graphic nature 456 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: of their findings. So in their investigation, the way that 457 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: the trial went is that the trial didn't really focus 458 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: on the mysterious doctor because they couldn't find that person, 459 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: couldn't prove who it was, so instead they looked at 460 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: Clara and Katerina as the instigators along with Barbora or Anika, 461 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: and according to the psychologists, Barbora was the main initiator 462 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: and manipulator of the situation. She initiated the abuse by 463 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: getting the grown ups quote unquote grown ups, because let's 464 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: not forget she was in her thirties to abuse these children. 465 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: And when she was arrested in Oslo, Norway, living as 466 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: thirteen year old kid named Adam, police also found her diary, 467 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: and in her diary, she allegedly described all the details 468 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: about her various identities, including how she prepared herself, and 469 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: experts said that beyond a shadow of a doubt, this 470 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: woman does not have schizophrenia or a similar disease. She 471 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: knows what she's doing is wrong, she can differentiate between 472 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: good and evil, and she's wearing multiple identities just to 473 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: manipulate people. 474 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not multiple personality disorder anything to that effect. 475 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: It's I'm doing this to get something. 476 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 4: Well, and she's obviously successful at it. I mean this, 477 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 4: the amount of effort that's going into these schemes is outrageous. 478 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 4: Like you said, Ben Christian Bale, method Meisner kind of 479 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: like levels of yeah prep. 480 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: Well, and here's one of the craziest things. You'd think 481 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: someone like this is a criminal mastermind of some sort 482 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: of genius level of person elector yeah. Yeah, But her 483 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: her IQ levels were tested multiple times and she consistently 484 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: came back as around ninety nine, which is not not 485 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: a genius. It's I mean, it's it's fine, it's functioning, 486 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: but it's you know, I don't know what do you 487 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: guys know what your IQs are, at least from the tests. 488 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 2: I don't know mine is either I'm hoping I'm in 489 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: the hundred something range. 490 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: Your way up there. 491 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: I honestly havenoyed less. We should all take one. 492 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 4: I don't know, we have to go one, two three share. 493 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Also, the IQ test is I'm sure several folks listening 494 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: along with us will point out, is just cartoonishly flawed. 495 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and here's the here's the thing. The big question, 496 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: right she kept scoring ninety nine, is that because she 497 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: wanted to score around to ninety nine? 498 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: Good question? Is it an affectation right, Because what they 499 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: also found was that the experts believe that this person 500 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: had consciously chosen to live as a child on all 501 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: levels on you know, like we said that like a 502 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: Meisner Daniel day Lewis level where production never raps and 503 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: the movie never ends. 504 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 505 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: This allows her to avoid taking responsibility for her actions, 506 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: and they say, at the same time, it allows her 507 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: to get the attention that she desperately seeks, because they 508 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: said she had what's called a histrionic personality and a 509 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: strong inclination to manipulative behavior. They also had sexologists study her. 510 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 4: I didn't realize they were called sexologists, And you. 511 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: Know, it may be an error of translation on my part. 512 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: I hope not. 513 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 4: It's a very straightforward name for a profession. 514 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: It's a legit thing, sexology, scientific studies of course. 515 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: Of course, of course, So the people in this profession 516 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 4: proved that she definitely has sata masochistic predispositions, which I 517 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 4: could see that as being very clear from her actions 518 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 4: and with lesbian and pedophilic orientation also pretty clear. 519 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. In other words, she means this means, I guess, 520 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: or kind of tells us that she is excited by 521 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: the exploitation and torture of children. She is sexually stimulated 522 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,959 Speaker 2: by that, which is that's the horror that we were 523 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: talking about at the top of the show. 524 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: That's what they call a bad combo. 525 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, a monster made flesh. I haven't you know? This 526 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: is this is the kind of thing that you would 527 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: maybe here associated with very monstrous serial killers. Yeah, you know, 528 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: like Albert Fish or something. 529 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, and it gets us into some of the most 530 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: most basic but controversial and difficult to discuss topics, which 531 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: is the whole nature versus nurture thing of when you 532 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: you know, when you're when you're born, or what happens 533 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: to you, What creates something like that in someone? Generally, 534 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: my opinion would be that some thing happens to you, 535 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 2: that that person is made that person is things happen 536 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: to that person to create that kind of orientation, in 537 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: my opinion. And you know, when you think about the doctor, 538 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: whoever that person was, if it was, in fact, you know, 539 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: the father. 540 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 4: You'd think maybe for it to be that specific, such 541 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 4: a specific hang up, a specific fetish, I guess as 542 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 4: a lack of it for lack of a better term. Yeah, 543 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 4: I don't. 544 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: Know, it's a lot of a lot of serial murderers 545 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: have either a history of abuse or a history of 546 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: brain injury. Oh, absolutely, that triggers them. And then I 547 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: guess if we're looking at maybe a mental condition like schizophrenia, 548 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, they're having people who have committed murders because 549 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: they have a break. But this sounds so calculated on 550 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: this person's part, you know. 551 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, in the in the show I work on outside 552 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 4: of this one about the kill or Keith Hunter jesperson, 553 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 4: he had a head injury. He also had a very manipulative, 554 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 4: abusive father that he kind of kowtowed too when he 555 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: was a child. And he also just had a predisposition 556 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 4: to violence, and so it was kind of a combination 557 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 4: of nature. It's sort of the show's about is like 558 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 4: kind of like pinning down where that divide is, and 559 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 4: you see that in all these cases. But I agree 560 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 4: with you, Matt, that the more abhorrent and kind of 561 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 4: out there that the predilections are for these people, like, 562 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 4: the more likely that part is they experienced something something 563 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: was done to them that they carried with them. That's 564 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 4: that's chilling. 565 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: And that podcast is Happy Face available now wherever you 566 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: find your favorite shows. 567 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 4: Thanks Ben. We've had a couple episodes left and we 568 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 4: took a break off for the holidays, but it's back 569 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 4: strong to me, twelve episodes total, so it chicks me, 570 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 4: Thanks dude. 571 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: And as these details emerge. When we first did this video, 572 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: we didn't have have the benefit of this expert analysis, right, 573 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: We didn't find that the first time around, So the 574 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: video is much shorter, but we have some additional details 575 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: as well as the different specific aspects of this case 576 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: and this horrific event, a horrific series of events emerges. 577 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: The Grail movement themselves deny any involvement with this sect 578 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: or this group, or this community or this dare I say, 579 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: this cult known as the Ants, and they also denied 580 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: any involvement with other offshoot sects of the movement, sort 581 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: of like how sort of like how a mom's in 582 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: the Muslim world will deny the nation of Islam. They'll say, 583 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: that's a different religion. We're Muslim, they're something else. 584 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Well, and the other thing 585 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 2: here is the quality and the amount of filming the 586 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 2: cameras that were set up to monitor this abuse. They 587 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 2: were of such a level that it's thought that perhaps 588 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: this was something bigger than just Barbara up there as 589 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: Anika watching it for her own pleasure, or you know, 590 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 2: could it have been somebody else also watching it? Was? 591 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, was there more to this story? And that I 592 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: think is the most frightening aspect of this because that 593 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: is largely the question upon which our story ends. Publicly, 594 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: no one really knows what happened. Somehow Joseph Scala escaped. 595 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: He was never charged with a crime, just like Kaiser 596 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: Souse disappeared. His whereabouts are unknown as we record this. 597 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: We don't even know if he was actually the doctor, 598 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: which I wanted to ask ask everyone, do do we 599 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: think it's possible that, in addition to impersonating these different people, 600 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: Barbara herself could have been the doctor, like with a 601 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: hidden phone sending text messages or something. I don't know, 602 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: because then she did meet Clara, did meet somebody in 603 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: the car, right yeah, ooh, so you have to wonder. 604 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: We do have good news of a sort of all 605 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: the people who are charged in this trial, Clara, Katerina, 606 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: jan Turik, Hanna Bosova, Jon Skila and his sister Barboris Sklova, 607 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: all of them were found guilty and they were all sentence, 608 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: but they have all served their sentences already and they 609 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: live free somewhere in the world, at least as far 610 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: as we can find. Barboris Sklova was released from prison 611 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, and now people believe she's either been 612 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: living in South Moravia or a place called Berna, Brno. 613 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: The most recent reports show that she is living under 614 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: a new name, no longer plays the piano. She was 615 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: noted as a talented pianist. She's under the monitoring of 616 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: the Probation and Mediation Service or Medication Service. According to 617 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: the psychiatrist who observe her, she has severe mental difficulties 618 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: and she often appears to switch between one or more 619 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: of her previous young male personalities. Here's another thing to 620 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: add to that troubling possibility, that breadcrumb of a larger 621 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: ring people. She has more more young personalities than Anika 622 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: Anna r Adam. Yeah, she exhibits multiple ones. 623 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 2: And is that because she has been she's infected other 624 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 2: families in the past. 625 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 4: Earlier we said that she was analyzed and there were 626 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 4: no signs of multiple personalities. Cazophrannia like calculated even more 627 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 4: or is this like a project monarch? 628 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: Thing. Yeah, something is placed upon psyche. 629 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 4: Good god, this story is the stuff of nightmares. And 630 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 4: I know this sounds really messed up to say, but 631 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 4: I would be interested to see this handled very artfully 632 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 4: in a film. Maybe it's too I don't know. Maybe 633 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 4: it's almost like giving a short shrift to the victims 634 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 4: to even consider making this into some kind of work 635 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 4: of you know, fictionalized account or whatever like that. But 636 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 4: it's just got all the intrigue and the twists and 637 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 4: like you could, Oh my god. 638 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: I think there was some I want to say, when 639 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: we were working on this few years back, there was 640 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: some film that maybe borrowed aspects of the story, but 641 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: I think maybe it was just they were borrowing the 642 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: idea of an adult impersonating a child so successfully for 643 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: so long. 644 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 2: It's the it's called orphan. 645 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 1: Orphan, that's what it is. 646 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: It was available like not that long ago at least, 647 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 2: and I don't think it came out that long ago either. 648 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,959 Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine, Yeah, two thousand and nine. 649 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 2: Okay, oh god, that's it's over nine years ago. We're all, yeah. 650 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, maybe we're aging like wine or 651 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: a good cheese, like fine wine, like fine a minor 652 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 1: fine cheese. 653 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 2: Those tannins are really shown up. 654 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: So at this point, unfortunately, this story is probably not over. 655 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: But this is where the path drops off. We don't 656 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: know much else about what's happened. We do know that, 657 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: according to the psychiatric reports, while Barbora has stopped playing 658 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: piano near as much, she does spend a lot of 659 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: time drawing quote, very morbid pictures. As for what happened 660 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: to this group, this possible cult, whatever you want to 661 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: call them, Where the leader is, if the leader exist, 662 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: if the so called doctor exists, what their plans are 663 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: for other children or other families. For now, it's something 664 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's a relatively successful conspiracy. 665 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 4: And that's something that I'm perfectly happy to close the 666 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,240 Speaker 4: book on for today, because geez, the lease. 667 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: I remember the feeling in twenty fourteen when I finished 668 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 2: the video. I didn't ever want to think about this 669 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 2: ever again. 670 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: And here we are, and here we are. 671 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 2: Pull you back in, Matt, Well we got through it. 672 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 4: Well, you're an intrepid traveler, my friend. 673 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: We've made it through guys, all of us. 674 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: We can end on a completely unrelated different note that's 675 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: not near as suppressing. Okay, scary, here it is. We 676 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: want to thank Spencer C. Schlooter who dropped by our 677 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: community page here's where it gets crazy and hipped us 678 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: to an amazing story that I did not believe at first, 679 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: even though it's in Time magazine. 680 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 2: It's titled the US military believes people have a sixth sense. 681 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 2: That's cool, yeah, intuition. Since twenty fourteen, the Office of 682 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 2: Naval Research apparently has embarked on a four year, three 683 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: point eighty five million dollar research program to explore premonitions, 684 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 2: intuition or what we have on this show before called 685 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 2: spider sense. That's right, and specifically they're looking at it 686 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 2: for I was going to say for use, or looking 687 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 2: at it in application to apply to sailors and marines, 688 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 2: people who are actually in the fighting force, and or 689 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 2: people who are surveilling. 690 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: We should do an episode on this. What do you think? Yes, agreed, 691 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: a sense that we may that's the worse joke. Well, 692 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, everybody. Enjoy is the 693 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:02,359 Speaker 1: wrong word, but we hope you have found this as 694 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: strange as we have this story. Let us know if 695 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: you have any updates on the Kurum case or the 696 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: case of the ants and let us know if you 697 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: have found stories in your neck of the woods that 698 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: are similar. 699 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 4: I know this goes without saying, but if you suspect 700 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 4: a child, you know, a friend of one of your children, 701 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 4: perhaps is being mistreated. Any way, there are resources for 702 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 4: reporting this beyond just calling the police. I mean, there 703 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 4: are you know, people that can help absolutely. 704 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: In the US and Canada, you can contact the Child 705 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: Help National Child Abuse Hotline. Its staff twenty four hours 706 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: a day, seven days a week, with professional crisis counselors 707 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: and interpreters that can provide assistance in over one hundred 708 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: and seventy languages. That hotline is one eight hundred for 709 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: a child or one eight hundred four to two two 710 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: four four five three. 711 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 4: But if you feel a child is in imminent d 712 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 4: sure you know, call call it. 713 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: Please, yeah, don't hesitate. 714 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 2: And that's the end of this classic episode. 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