1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Former Big League pitcher Tyler Clifford with us on FT 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Do you remember how many innings you locked in the 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: bigs or in a range? 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 2: Oh? 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 3: Man, I want to say it's over nine hundred something, 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: wrong along those lines. I know my appearances. I think 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: I had eight hundred and seven appearances because as relievers, 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 3: you know, that's what we take pride in, is our 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: appearances more so than the innings. 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: But I know, I know accumulated quite a bit. 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: That's why I'm asking. 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: So what was the key to longevity for you? In 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: a world right now where it's so tough to keep arms. 14 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 4: On the field. 15 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: I didn't throw hard enough to get hurt, I think 16 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 3: was the biggest thing. No, I just had a good routine. 17 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: I think routine in baseball is huge, and I was 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 3: very structured and you know, the timing of my off 19 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: season throwing program, off season workouts, and just really stuck 20 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: to that routine for almost, you know, twenty years, and 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: my body knew what to expect, when to expect it. 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: And it's the formula seems to work because I stayed 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: pretty healthy. So, uh, it was a fun ride. I 24 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: was glad to, you know, as a competitor you never 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: want to be hurt. You want to be out there competing, 26 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: And so that was like a huge driving force and 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: why I put all the work in that I did 28 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: because I didn't want to be hurt. I wanted to 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: be out there with the boys and try to strike 30 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: people out. 31 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: You know, you think, you think. 32 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 5: They have a shot at teaching a kid that hasn't 33 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 5: been in the big leagues that yet, because everybody just 34 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: wants their shot. They just want to touch the big leagues. 35 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 5: And so they're going to throw the heavy ball as 36 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 5: hard as they can and they're like, uh, well, I 37 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 5: don't want to play fifteen years in the big Oh wait, no, 38 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 5: everybody wants to play fifteen years in the big leagues. 39 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 5: But they're taught throw it as hard as you can. 40 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 41 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: The the new you know way of the world in 42 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 3: professional baseball, especially like the entry point for all the 43 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: amateurs is they feel like, what's going to get them drafted, 44 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: what's going to get them to the big leagues the 45 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: quickest is to throw the hardest. And so it's a 46 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 3: tough thing to teach because you know, these kids are stubborn, 47 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: they're they're they're competitive, just like I was, and they 48 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: want to they want to maximize their stuff, but at 49 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: the same time, they might like you to your point, 50 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: it might be a detriment to the longevity. 51 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: Of their career. So, uh, could I teach them to 52 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: do that? 53 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: Yeah? 54 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: I can try. I don't know if they would listen though. 55 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the routine part, right, and a lot 56 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: of guys you talk to will say, hey, I figured 57 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: out a routine. You know during my time in the 58 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: big leagues, did you pitch around guys that didn't have one, 59 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: whether they were young guys or just guys around where 60 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: you'd just be like, hey, you need to like kind 61 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: of harness things to make sure that you're taking care 62 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: of yourself. 63 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh of course I'm kidding. 64 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 4: But what did they do? 65 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you definitely see you know, you're you're 66 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: in different you know, I was on ten different teams, 67 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: you know, I've been in you know, a hundred different 68 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: clubhouses with different dynamics, and guys have certain things going 69 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 3: on that that will help them that at least they 70 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: think that it will, or worth work, ethic or you know, 71 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: circumstances with their home life and all these all these 72 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: things that go into that. But yeah, certainly if there was, 73 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: if there was somebody with a ton of talent that 74 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: I thought was a little bit behind the eight ball 75 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: as far as their you know, their preparation, or they 76 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: were just you know, dumb things that we were gonna 77 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: hurt them, you know, maybe hurt their arm or not 78 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: progress them on the mound. 79 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: I would step in and try and try to talk 80 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 2: to them. 81 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 3: And and that was really the most enjoyable part of 82 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: the longevity of my career. And then and towards the 83 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: back end, being a veteran guy having a voice to 84 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: to be able to kind of have those conversations with 85 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: some of the younger players, and you know, maybe I 86 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: made a difference, maybe I didn't, but it you know, 87 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 3: it was it was been, you know, it felt you know, 88 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: I got a lot of a lot out of that 89 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: for myself, just trying to be that guy. So it 90 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: was enjoyable and and I hope I helped some guys 91 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: along the way. 92 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 5: All right, part of your journey. I don't remember you 93 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 5: as a national first. I remember you as a Trenton 94 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 5: thunder great. We used to play against each other in 95 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 5: double A. You were a starter at that point. One 96 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: of the things that even back then, and maybe I 97 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 5: just put it into my memory of something back then. 98 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 5: You would always lick your hand like I'm not like 99 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 5: some guys would be. Like if watching a video, just 100 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 5: like a little little on the fingertip, you would hammer. 101 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 5: I mean you would go full tongue way out whole hand. 102 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 5: Was that something you knew you were doing in the 103 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 5: moment or was it like something after the inning and 104 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 5: you watch the video you're like, holy crap, no wonder 105 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 5: my mouth. 106 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: Is so dry. Yeah. 107 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: Well I did have a mouth dryness occur at times 108 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 3: because of the extreme licking of my hand. But I 109 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: was always a moisture guy because I had real dry hands, 110 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: so I needed that moisture to create a little tack. 111 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: Where you know, a lot of guys use the rosin 112 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: bag because they're they're sweating a lot, and the moisture 113 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 3: kind of drips down on their hand and the rosin 114 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 3: kind of creates tack in that way. I never had 115 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: that issue. I wasn't really a high like, I didn't 116 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 3: sweat a lot, so I always needed the moisture. So yeah, 117 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 3: I was constantly trying to find moisture in my tongue 118 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 3: and doing. 119 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: It that way. 120 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: So it looked funny and all my teammates called me 121 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 3: out on it all the time, but I didn't care. 122 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: I needed I need a good grip on the baseball. 123 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: So that's just kind of how it all went down. 124 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: You were looking, you were looking for moisture in your throat. 125 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 5: That's how that's. 126 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: I was sticking it. Yeah, you were, you were, you were. 127 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 5: Way back there. Did you ever get into the spider 128 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 5: tack because you were still around you were using it? 129 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 5: Never did it? Did it ever work when you tried it? 130 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 5: In a sense of. 131 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 3: Mine, So I certainly, yeah, I certainly I would mess 132 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: with it in like throwing sessions in bullpens and stuff. 133 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: But it was because I was a change up guy, 134 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: so having that tacky sensation on my hand with a 135 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: change up, I mean, I would spike this thing straight 136 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: into the dirt. 137 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: So I needed that pitch. So for me, it was 138 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 2: it was zero. 139 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: Benefit to to try to put tack on my hand, 140 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: and I I couldn't spin the baseball anyway, so it 141 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: wasn't something I really needed. And that was pretty much 142 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: the pitch that it was probably gonna help with the most, 143 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: and I just you know, would sacrifice my breaking ball 144 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: to keep the good change up and just roll rolled 145 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: like that for my whole career. 146 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Were you glad when they kind of cracked down on it, 147 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: just like, hey, it's not helping me anyway, and this 148 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: could this could keep going down a weird direction. 149 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess I was in a way, you know, 150 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 151 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: Sometimes I felt like certain climates dictated there needed to 152 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: be something, because like if you pitch on a dry 153 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: day in Colorado or Arizona and I you know, you 154 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 3: ran into it sometimes maybe in Cincinnati, and then and 155 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: then the inconsistencies. 156 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: Of the way the ball was rubbed up. 157 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you could get a baseball in your hand 158 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: and it just felt like I had a coating of 159 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: baby powder all over it, and it just was super 160 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: slick and almost dangerous to the point where like I 161 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: don't know where the ball's going. Man, this thing, you know, 162 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 3: fly out of my hand because it's so slippery. So 163 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: from that standpoint, I wasn't I was like, I get it, 164 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: I get why guys need it, But yeah, it was 165 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: starting to get a little out of hand, and you 166 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: were definitely starting to see, you know, some some ticks 167 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: up and guys of stuff that you know, like two 168 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: years prior, like you didn't have that pitch man like 169 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: you know. 170 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: So, but I never got that benefit. 171 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: So I was like, you know, kind of even the 172 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: playing field for me because I never needed it. But 173 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, And I also think it's good because 174 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: it might put a little more torque on guy's elbow 175 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: because they'd be they're able to rip breaking balls harder 176 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 3: and maybe more torque on the elbow. I don't know, 177 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: but like, at least in my mind, that makes sense. 178 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: So I think overall it's it's beneficial that it's not 179 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: around anymore. But you know, as a pitcher, you messed 180 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: with it, but I never I never never could figure 181 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: it out. 182 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Well, like you mentioned, you were a changeup guy. So 183 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: have you seen, for example, Tommy Cainley last year? 184 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, forty one straight change ups or something crazy? 185 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: What did you think? And do you think that if 186 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: you were pitching now, a team would have been like, hey, 187 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: let's up that by like double that's some guys do 188 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: that now. 189 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: The relievers are they're just like, yes, hey, I saw 190 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: it when I was on the Astros. In twenty seventeen, 191 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: Lance McCullers came in relief for us in a playoff game, 192 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: and he threw like thirty six straight sliders or something or. 193 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: What else his breaker, his breaking ball. 194 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: And then I saw Kinley do it, and I'm just 195 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: I don't get I could never do it. Like I 196 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: was always a guy who wanted to mix and match 197 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: and and I you know, I'm watching Kaylee do this. 198 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, just mix in a heater. You know, 199 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: it has to have to be a strike. Just mix 200 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: it in. 201 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: And you know, it worked, which is the most most 202 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 3: amazing thing. Like every time I see a guy do it, 203 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: I'm like, how is this working? You know, because I 204 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: was always in my mind like, you know, throw the 205 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: two of the same pitch and then go to something 206 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: else and play that chess game. 207 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: And these guys are just like, screw it, I'm throwing it. 208 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: So uh it was. 209 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: It's fun to watch if he can execute it, but 210 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: I never understood it. 211 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Okay, KP, this is your first arena club experience. We're 212 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: going to open a slab pack together. 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They send it to you 234 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: foul at Arena club dot com slash foul. 235 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 5: Favorite baseball moment. 236 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: For me it was the gold medal with the WBC 237 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: team in twenty seventeen. I think was just being around 238 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 3: those guys, having a series of three weeks to be 239 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: on the same team with it was basically an all 240 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: star team, and you know, we traveled to three different 241 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: locations and it felt like a unit, and we won 242 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: the gold and just the whole all encompasing experience of 243 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: winning that gold medal was probably the highlight of the 244 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: things that I accomplished. 245 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: How do they get more American starters to get involved, because, yeah, 246 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: you guys won. 247 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's I know, I think I 248 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: think it's a you really got to plan it out, 249 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: and I think I think the d RO is doing 250 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 3: a good job of trying to get his starting staff 251 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 3: set so they can kind of build up their off 252 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: season programs, maybe a little sooner than they might they 253 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: might you know, during like a regular regular season. But 254 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: that's the biggest thing because you have to plan it. 255 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: As a player, you have to work up to that 256 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 3: workload quicker and that that is the biggest going to 257 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: be the biggest thing to prevent injury and have guys 258 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: on their on their game sooner. 259 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: So it's just you just got to plan it out 260 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: really good, because I think guys want to do it. 261 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a it's such a cool thing 262 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: to do. 263 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: Uh, but you got to really plan it out properly 264 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 3: for guys to prepare the correct way. 265 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 5: All right, at thirty seven years old, you put you 266 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 5: got forty innings in Rochester, New York. Going back to 267 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 5: a obviously you had you know, you had a couple 268 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 5: of rehab assignments before. But forty innings at thirty seven 269 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 5: years old in the bushes? Is that because you love 270 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: the game where you were hanging on because you put 271 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 5: up numbers a year before. Did you feel like you 272 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 5: were kind of pushed out of the game for no 273 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 5: reason other than you just didn't throw hard anymore. 274 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a little bit of that. 275 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 3: I think you know, once you once you put so 276 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: much work into an off season and you feel like, 277 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: you know, my arm was feeling good, I was still 278 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: getting out, still able to compete and do it. If 279 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 3: I didn't think I couldn't get out, then I would 280 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 3: have just shut it down. But I think it was 281 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: a product of knowing how much work I put in 282 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 3: and if I had to spend some time in Triple 283 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: A to get back to the big leagues, and I 284 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: really wanted to end my career in Washington, So that 285 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: was like kind of part of it. 286 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: Also, So I wanted. 287 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: To get back to the big leagues at least to 288 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 3: say I finished my big league career as Washington National 289 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: So all those things were at play, and it was 290 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: a fun experience. 291 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: It was tough at times. 292 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: There was times where I called my wife and I'm like, 293 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: just tell me, just just just say the word and 294 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: I'll come home. Like one of those kind of things. 295 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 3: Is it. It grinds on you. But I'm glad I 296 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: stuck it out that last year because to get back 297 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 3: to be in the big leagues with the Nationals run 298 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: out of that tunnel for a few more times, with 299 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: them playing my walk out music and having the fans 300 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 3: interact with me one more time. 301 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: It was it was totally worth it. But yeah, I 302 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: was that year in Rochester. 303 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: It was the first implementation of the pitchclock, and I 304 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: was a guy who was real methodical, real slow. Had 305 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: six pitches at that time, so I'm sitting there shaking 306 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 3: four times, getting pitchclock violations in triple A and like 307 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: it was a circus for me to figure out the pitchclock. 308 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: So once the season was all said and done, I 309 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: was happy to hang them up because I'm like. 310 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with this pitchclock thing anymore. 311 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 4: But it was it was. 312 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: It was a fun experience to have. 313 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: And then you're coming up to the bigs where you 314 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 4: didn't have to deal with it. 315 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: No, it was it was in the wait. Actually, you're right, 316 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: I don't because that's right, they didn't have the pitchclock 317 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: in the big leagues. 318 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what year was this, twenty twenty two, right, 319 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: So twenty came. 320 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that last year where it's like cool, do this 321 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: up until this point. 322 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: And I had to completely completely change my pitching style 323 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: and triple A and then you know, figured it out, 324 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: had some bumps in the road figuring it out, and 325 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: then got the big leagues. 326 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, no moren pitchclock. 327 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: Yes, right, and then twenty three a tier. Yeah, good time. 328 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: He was great timing. 329 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a great time, all right. So then 330 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 4: let's finish with this. 331 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: So now, I mean you are a marked man at 332 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: a place like this, at the pro rivals open, Like 333 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: when we talk to John Smult, who's the commissioner, for example, 334 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll use that that name he goes. Tyler Clippard's on 335 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: my hot list of guys to follow that could win 336 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: this thing. 337 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: So what does it feel like to be. 338 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: One of the top former pro athletes in North American 339 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: sports to now be confident in a tournament like this. 340 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm so thankful for John because I 341 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: think we share the love of golf. Like I'm a 342 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: golf psychopath, Like I know everything about the PGA Tour. 343 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: I watch it religiously. It's the only thing I really 344 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: watch at home. 345 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: I'll throw on a baseball game every now and then, 346 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: but golf is really like the forefront of my life 347 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: now and it keeps that competitive side fed for me 348 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: that I know I need moving forward for the rest 349 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: of my life, because that's not going anywhere. You don't change. 350 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: You want to you want to compete, and golf facilitates 351 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: that for me. And you know, I'm still playing and 352 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: uh you know, local local am stuff and and trying 353 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: to do US mid am stuff and and so like 354 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: I'm really I really take it seriously. But getting into 355 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: this environment around you know, all the some of the 356 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: best golfers in the world sports here, Yeah, they're they're 357 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: in for it because I don't know if a lot 358 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: of these guys are playing the caliber golf that I am. 359 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: But listen, I got to back. 360 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: It up, so you know, but that's what this event's 361 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: all about, you know, talking some some smack and backing 362 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: it up. 363 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: So you want that. 364 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do both of those things. 365 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: There's definitely some guys are gonna come here that are 366 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: fresh off the field baseball. I feel like the community 367 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: they know who's good and all of that, but maybe 368 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: from one of the other three sports where they're like, oh, 369 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty good and then they show up to 370 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: an event like this and they're like, I'm okay. 371 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: Tournament. 372 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: Tournament golf is a little different animal. So yeah, it'll 373 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: be interesting to see how guys hold up. And when 374 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: you get a pencil in your hand, it's, uh, it's 375 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: it's a totally different world. And uh, putting everything out 376 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: making those two three footers that you just rake away 377 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: on on your normal Saturday is you can't do that here. 378 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: So uh, that's that's really the separator. And especially in 379 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: a three day event like we have here. So I 380 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: like my chances. 381 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so last one top former MLB player now golfer, 382 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: but you can't say so. Besides, you're like, who who 383 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: is the top competition these days of former players, former 384 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: you know that you've played with or that you know 385 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: people have mentioned. 386 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Aaron hicks Is is up there. 387 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: He's We played together in New York for about a 388 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: year and we would play a lot of golf together 389 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: and he always always mentioned him when I talk about 390 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: people that I've played with in my career, because Hicksy 391 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 3: is by far the hits the ball further than anybody 392 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: I've ever played with, along with a good short game 393 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: and can putt. 394 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: And you know, you you're. 395 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: Around guys that can hit the ball far a lot 396 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: because I mean these athletes are strong and fast, but 397 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: Hicksy's got the full package. So uh, he's he's going 398 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: to be one to look out for for sure. 399 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: He played when he was five years old. 400 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, me and him had a junior golf background too, 401 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 3: So me and him, you know, did some a J 402 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: g A stuff growing up. So he's got the competitive 403 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: golf background like I do. So that helps a lot 404 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: to see. 405 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: To me, that's the difference the short game, right where 406 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: some of these guys are big, strong, you can hit 407 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: the ball consistency. 408 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just finding the way to get 409 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: the ball in the hole and not make double bogies exactly. 410 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hey, good luck, thank you, great to have 411 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: you on, good to see in person, Thanks for having me, 412 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and we'll be right back.