1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Ron Ananian, the door lock bothered me. Credit to James 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Earl Jones. Maybe I was using the force this week 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: because I kept thinking about that door lock. I couldn't 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: get the key to going to the door lock because 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: somebody had tried the Jimmy block cylinder of the Car Doctor. 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: They tell me that the systems contaminated and I have 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: to change out everything. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: Which system Okay, why is it contaminated? 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. They said it had a bunch of 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: dust in it, probably from the compressor, although it does 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: seem to work. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Aanian, the Car Doctor. 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: the phone and call in. 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: take your calls at five six ninety nine hundred. 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: And Nae running. 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: You know, we were talking previous show about trusting your 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: repair shop and you know, having that relationship with them, 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: and you know, can you trust your repair shop? Can 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: you trust them to do the right thing? Can you 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: trust them to not do the wrong thing. You know, 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird thought. It occurred to me 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: this week. We had a pretty man, I'll tell you, 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: a regular customer, but an older customer. They've been coming 28 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: to us for years and missus Jackson, she just counts 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: on us, all right, you know. And that's a big 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: part of order repair, you know, that's that's what order 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: repair is. It's so much more than fixing cars auto repairs. 32 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: It's that relationship you develop with people like any other business, 33 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: but you know, you've got people's lives in their hands. 34 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: You've got the reliability of the vehicle you're responsible for 35 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: so much, you know, it's not just you know, an 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: oil change is not just a dump and pump and 37 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: a way you go. It's you know, you got to 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: go to take care of it. And the car came 39 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: in for service and she was complaining about the check 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: engine light was on, that she was seeing dashboard warning 41 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: indicators and she didn't know if the car was going 42 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: to be reliable anymore, and you know, she was getting 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: a little upset. She's older, and you know, you're trying 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: to take care of the seniors because you're all going 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: to get there someday. 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: Right. 47 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: You want to take care of the old folks, right, 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: You're going to be like them, hopefully. And you know 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: I brought it in and you know, it came in 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: my rack and it was my turn, so I took 51 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: it around the block. It did my usual you know, 52 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: pre repair drive, and I've got no dash warning lights on. 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: The only thing it said was change engine oil, which 54 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: is green. It was a green letter is seven Lincoln. 55 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: It was a green warning system. Scanned it for codes, 56 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: there were none, and I preceded the service the vehicle 57 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: and did what I would normally do and called her 58 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: and the next called her that afternoon and told her, hey, 59 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: your car is done, come get it. And we talked 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: in depth at the dish and she swore to me. 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: She said, ron, I know I saw a check engine light, Darlene, 62 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: it now I wasn't there, kiddo. She said, Well, I 63 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: can always trust on you to do the right thing, 64 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: because I may not be telling you to do the 65 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: right thing, and maybe I shouldn't tell you. It got 66 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: me thinking, you know, can't you tell your repair shop 67 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: the wrong thing forcing them to do the right thing. 68 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: Can you tell your repair shop your car is doing something? 69 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't do. I wonder how honest how many of 70 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: them would be that they wouldn't do the wrong thing. 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Probably a lot, all right, But you'd sure find out 72 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: who the bad guys were, right, you know. That's it 73 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: just got me thinking, you know, do they do the 74 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: right thing even when you tell them to do the 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: wrong thing? And I think that's a sign of a 76 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: good shop? I really do not because it was us, 77 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: Because I see a lot of this, you know, I 78 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: hear stories about a lot of shops. People come in 79 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: asking for things and they say, no, it's not needed, 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: it's not worn out, it's not bad. You know, are 81 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: we looking at this all wrong? Do we need to 82 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: make the measure of barometer the barometric or the you 83 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying is the measure of Is the 84 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: measure of accuracy of the quality of a s going 85 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: to be that they don't do the wrong thing? They 86 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: always do the right thing? By not fixing something? Is 87 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: not fixing something a sign of trust and reliability in 88 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: the shop? Food for thought. Let's get the hour going. 89 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Michael and Pennsylvania fifteen GMC. Yes, Michael, you're on with 90 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: the car doctor, sir? How can I help? 91 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: All right? 92 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, h yeah, I have a twenty fifteen GMC 93 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 5: and it is making a noise that is making my 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 5: mechanics think it's a wheel bearing. Oh now we replaced 95 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 5: the yeah, okay. 96 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: Go ahead, no, go ahead, Michael. 97 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, So we replaced the driver's front wheel 98 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 5: bearing and it's still making the noise. So but I 99 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 5: you know, I'm not you know, the car doesn't pull 100 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 5: nothing like, nothing like that. And you know, the faster 101 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: you accelerate, you know, the more it's the noise gets. 102 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: Okay, how's he how is he diagnosing this? Michael? Is 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: he driving this on the road? Is he listening to 104 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: it on the list? 105 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, he took it. He's I'll tell you what 106 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 5: he's done so far. He's taken it for a drive himself. 107 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: Uh. 108 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 5: And he's also put it on the lift and had 109 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 5: one of his guys get in it, put it in 110 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 5: gear and you know, I put it in driving, get 111 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 5: the tires turning. Uh. And he's actually listened, you know, 112 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 5: went to each wheel location, you know, with with a stethoscope. 113 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 5: Tis here, you know, just something that me that my 114 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 5: ten point which you know which one it is? 115 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: Uh? 116 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 5: And then he's thinking the worst case scenario. You know, 117 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,799 Speaker 5: it could be something to do with the transfer case. 118 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: Could so let me ask you, let me let me 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: ask you this. So he put it. He put a 120 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: driver's side front wheel bearing in it because he thought 121 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: that's where it was the loudest, right, Okay, and he's 122 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: has he listened? Has he listened again? Up in the air? 123 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: Is the noise still in the same place? 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 5: Yes? 125 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 6: So. 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 5: And he's actually a little shorthanded right now. So I 127 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 5: had the rescheduled to come in because he had one 128 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 5: of his guys go down. So and since it's not 129 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 5: really uh pressing on fire type of issue, you know, 130 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 5: I have to go back in in another week. And 131 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: I was just trying to see if I could offer 132 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 5: him any insights. 133 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: I'd listened to the new bearing. How do you know 134 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: the new bearings not bad listening listening to me? 135 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 5: We we don't, Yeah, we don't. 136 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: Listening listening to a vehicle on the lift with a stethoscope. 137 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: I do it all the time, and it's it's kind 138 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: of okay. You know. It's how many people walk in 139 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: and go, oh, that's why you're the car doctor. No, 140 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: this is just the right way to do it, you know. 141 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 5: It's it's and I mean, I've been going to this 142 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 5: guy for better part of eighteen years now, you know, 143 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 5: and he's you know, been extremely honest with me. Tries 144 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 5: to say, yeah, I get it, I get it. 145 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: Hey, how do you know the new parts any good? 146 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: You know, new means never ever worn. 147 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it's yeah, we don't. We don't know that. 148 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: Now. Now I'd be curious if if he can stop 149 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: the front wheels from turning. This is an all wheel 150 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: drive or four wheel drive. 151 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 5: Vehicle, all wheel all wheel drive. 152 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so if he takes out the front drive shafts, 153 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: so now the front tires won't turn all right? Is 154 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: the noise? Is the noise still there? 155 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 5: If the noise, I would imagine that might be one 156 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 5: of the next. 157 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: Right, If the noise is there. If the noise is there, 158 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: then you know you're looking at the wrong end of 159 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: the truck. If the noise is gone, then you know 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: it's from the middle of the vehicle forward that that 161 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: that eliminates transfer case. Right, So now you're into is 162 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: it something in the drive shaft, one of the wheelbaring, 163 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: or there's a front well, let me finish, there should 164 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: be a front differential. There should be a front differential here, 165 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Michael no. 166 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 6: Ah. 167 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, Now I'm wondering, does this vehicle have a carrier bearing? 168 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 6: Could that possibly be. 169 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was saying. Yeah, if there's a 170 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: front differential here, this could be carrier, this could be 171 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: side bearings. So you know, maybe he wants to listen 172 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: to that. If he if he were to lock up 173 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: the left front wheel, and maybe he's gonna have to 174 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: take the tire down and you know, wedge something between 175 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: the rotor should be a finned rotor, if he puts 176 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: a screwdriver between the caliper and the roder to kind 177 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: of lock it in place, or however he wants to 178 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: do it. Everybody's got their own way of doing it. 179 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: If he can hold that driver's side front tire still 180 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: so that it doesn't turn, is the noise gone? Is 181 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: the noise still there, then it's I'm I'm gonna and 182 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: it's forward of the transfer case. Then I'm going to 183 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: vote on I'm going to vote on, you know, differential 184 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: or right for wheel. And that's easy enough to figure out. 185 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: If it's gone with the left lock up the right, 186 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: if the noise is still there, then it has to 187 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: be front differential that's making the noise, and you have 188 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: to watch carefully because differential noise will walk the noise. 189 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: It'll it'll walk a bad wheel bearing. I'm not telling 190 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: him anything. He doesn't know, I don't think for everybody 191 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: else'll it'll walk that noise right down the axle and 192 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: it'll sound like it's coming out at the at the 193 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: hub itself, and it's not. It's up more towards the 194 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: axle differential itself. 195 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: All gotcha, Okay, Yeah, I just figured i'd give it 196 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 5: a shot and see, I have an appointment in about 197 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 5: a week, so we'll give us, give. 198 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Us a call back, let us know what happens, all right, sir. 199 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 5: Ah, Yeah, sure, thank you, thank you very much. 200 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Michael. Yeah, listen, diagnosis is just you know, 201 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: you you're asked as a mechanic. You're asked to do 202 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: some very strange things and tackle some very different problems, 203 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just how can you simplify it? You 204 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: know the college professors all say, kiss right, keep it simple, sir, 205 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: And you know that's just all part of it, you know, 206 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: Can I can I take the part off the vehicle 207 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: and test it on a bench. How would I test it? 208 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: Regardless of what it is, I'm trying to test and 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: that's what we're looking forward to doing here. So just 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: food for thought. Eight five five five six zero nine 211 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. I'm run an ady in the car doctor. 212 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Don't go away. 213 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 7: Whether it's a little red Corvette or you go, You've 214 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 7: come to the right place to get that car fixed. 215 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 7: We're on an Ady in the car doctor. Eight five 216 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 7: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. Now back 217 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 7: to Ron's. 218 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: Let's go to Robert in Wisconsin. Robert, Welcome to the 219 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: car doctor, sir, how can I help? 220 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 6: Thank you, Jess. I have a I just purchased a 221 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 6: twenty thirteen on the CRV about a week and a 222 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 6: half ago. In I noticed that when I sell from 223 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 6: a stop in at around the twenty to twenty five 224 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 6: mile p hour mark, it vibrates a little bit. 225 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: What's what's a little bit, Robert? 226 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 6: It's it's not really bad, but it's uh no noticeable. 227 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So have you have you taken it back to 228 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: where you purchased it and gone for a test drive 229 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: with the salesman? 230 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 6: Now, actually I bought it from a private party. 231 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: Okay, all right? How many miles are on it? 232 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 6: One hundred and thirty one thousand okay? 233 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: And does it operate normally otherwise? 234 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 6: Yes, all right, do you use I took it to 235 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 6: a mechanic. Yeah, right, and he put it on and 236 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 6: he scanned, he did a scan or whatever, and he 237 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 6: couldn't find any problems. And his guess was that it 238 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 6: was a shudder in the transmission. But he was just guessing. 239 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, well, and that's kind of where 240 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: I was going to go. Is there or shutter in 241 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: the transmission? Do this? Is it? Is it a low level? 242 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: You know? 243 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if it happens. I wonder if it's happening 244 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: at the shift point. You don't you only notice it 245 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty five mile an hour range? 246 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 6: Yeah? 247 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Okay, does your mechanic is this a regular mechanic at years? 248 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: You've been to see this guy before? 249 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been to him before, but I haven't had 250 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 6: to take my car to, you know, to be serviced 251 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 6: too much, because my Chevy Equinox before was pretty good, 252 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 6: and I, you know, I just kept up the maintenance 253 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 6: on it. 254 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: Okay, if you if you lean harder into the vibration Robert. 255 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: In other words, as it's happening, if you step down 256 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: a little harder on the accelerator, does the vibration go 257 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: away over after a while? 258 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 6: Exactly when if I accelerate fast and then I don't 259 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 6: feel the vibration, It's only when I accelerate slow. 260 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Okay, get your hands on Honda bulletin fifteen dash oh 261 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: eighty six. It's been out there a while. It's been 262 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: about there about five years May of seventeen, and it 263 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: talks about vibrations under light acceleration, just like you're describing. 264 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: Number one. There's a software update for the PCM, the 265 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: power Train Control Module that will modify transmission shift point 266 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: and operation. Number two it talks very specifically about transmission 267 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: fluid exchange procedure. You know, the trans fluid could very 268 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: well just be worn out. Listen, it could have a 269 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: problem with the trans it could have a bad trans period, 270 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: all right, and it's just it's just it's just impending 271 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: mechanical failure. But it's possible. And I would follow the 272 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: bulletin and then you know, try some different things coming 273 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: at it from the perspective of a is it a 274 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: trans issue. It's possible if the fluid and the trans 275 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: is just worn out. You know, transmissions today are so 276 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: much more than what they once were, and the transmission fluid, 277 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: they have additive packages in them that help improve shift quality, 278 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: help improve their ability for friction and and friction in 279 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: terms of you know, catching and shifting from one transmission 280 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: gear or the other. So sometimes the internal components of 281 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: the transmission get glazed or they'll get hard, and they 282 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: won't have bite, and they'll chatter, and they cause a 283 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: vibration that you feel out at the steering wheel. You know, 284 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: in the least little way, changing fluid will give it 285 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: some vitality. You ever, you ever, ever, you have a 286 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: situation where like the skin on your forearm is dried 287 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: out because you haven't drank enough water, and you rub 288 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: it and you feel like, God, my skin is so 289 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: hard and brittle. And yet you'll go and you know, 290 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll go drink a couple of bottles of 291 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: water and come back two days later and your skin 292 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: is soft and supple. It's it's it's it's kind of 293 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: the same idea in that you know, the trans fluid 294 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: is worn out, it's it's dried out and fresh fluid 295 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: has a suppleness to it, It has body to it, 296 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: and it will allow it would allow the friction plates 297 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: and the internal components of the transmission to work and 298 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: grab each other without that. You know that roughness that 299 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: your hand feels when you're going over dry skin. It's 300 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: it gives body back to the worn components. Now it 301 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: may need a trans you don't know, but I'll tell 302 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: you what if it is. If it is transmission and 303 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: you continue to drive it, the problem will get worse, 304 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: and then you'll definitely need a transmission a lot sooner 305 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: faster than you won't try this too the next time 306 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: it happens. You know, if we want to verify it, 307 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: to diagnose it, as you're driving it, we're gonna call 308 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: the We're gonna call the point where the vibration occurs 309 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: the sweet spot. All right, Robert, can you can? You? 310 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 8: Can? 311 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: You drive it? Get it to that sweet spot where 312 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: the vibration's happening, you know, whatever it's doing, Okay, And 313 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: as you're in that sweet spot, if you take your 314 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: left foot and tap the brake pedal, keep your keep 315 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: your right foot on the gas. Make sure there's nobody 316 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: behind you. All right, tap the tap the brake pedal, 317 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Tap the brake pedal just hard enough to get the 318 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: brake lights to go on. Making sense. What's what's going 319 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: to happen is the engine controller is going to see 320 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: you request brake lights thinking you want to slow down. 321 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: If it's in the transmission torque converter, it's going to 322 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: release the converter. It's going to disable the command to 323 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: apply converter, and the vibration will in all likelihoods stop 324 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: or go away or diminish. If it continues and doesn't change, 325 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: then the fault is in the main component of the transmission. 326 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: You're going to You're gonna change the fluid anyway, uh, 327 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, just to just to try it, because transmissions 328 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: are obviously cheaper than I'm sorry, transfluid is definitely cheaper 329 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: than a transmission. The transmission for that car is probably 330 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: five six grand, is an educated guess. Uh, you know 331 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: transfluid service three hundred let's see three hundred six grand. 332 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: M Okay, let's try the three hundred. Uh yeah, so, 333 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: but that's that's where I think you're going. 334 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 6: Go ahead, I do have an appointment on Thursday day. 335 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 6: I have the transmission order to change. And I also 336 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 6: read online something about it. Instant shutter fix. 337 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, instant l G. LG company by the name of 338 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: LG makes it Instant shutter fix, little red tube white cap. 339 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: We use it in the shop, all right, and it's 340 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: it's I'm not opposed to it at all. First thing 341 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: I would do is first thing I would do is 342 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: the fluid change itself, obviously making sure they're using correct 343 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: Honda fluid, you know, because you know, all transmissions take 344 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: specific fluid these days. Not it's not one one works 345 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: with everything that those days are gone. But you know 346 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: by all means trans fluid change. And I wouldn't be 347 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: afraid if I saw the fluid, If I saw the 348 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: fluid change give me some kind of an improvement in 349 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: the operation of the transmission, I wouldn't be afraid to 350 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: take it back in five thousand miles and try it 351 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: one more time, keeping the fluid cleaner. I wouldn't be 352 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: afraid to adde shutter fix after I see that the 353 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: trans fluid did the job, and then see where you go. 354 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: All right, kiddo, but you're on the right path. It's yeah, 355 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's cheaper than replacing the transmission 356 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: eight five five five six nine nine zero zero. I'm 357 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: running anading the car. Doctor, I'll be back right after this. 358 00:18:11,600 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 4: Don't go away. 359 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: And we are back. Let's do a piece of email. 360 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: I say, it's not so quick. This comes to us 361 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: from Donald. I've been Let's see. My question is this. 362 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: I have a two thousand and six Ford Focused two door. 363 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I was getting a check engine light and it came 364 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: back to a low temperature being detected from the thermostat 365 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: P zero one twenty eight. Actually, P zero one twenty 366 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: eight is not necessarily low temperature, Donald, and for everybody 367 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: else p zero one twenty eight. And the majority of 368 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: cases is about thermostat rationality. And the reason I'm talking 369 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: to you about this especially this time of the years 370 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: as we're getting ready to head into the fall. Today's 371 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: the last day of summer, as we're heading into the 372 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: fall season, and then you know, after fall comes winter 373 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: and things get cold. We want to make sure that 374 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: the engine's at proper operating temperature. And you know, being 375 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: off by as little as four to five degrees can 376 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: have an effect on overall fuel economy and engine performance. 377 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: So we want to be sure that we're operating the 378 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: cooling system. You know, the cooling system is quote unquote 379 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: tuned like the rest of the engine. So P zero 380 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: one twenty eight is a rationality fault. Think about rate 381 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: of rise of heat in your house. You turn the 382 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: thermostat up to seventy how long does it take to 383 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: go from sixty five degrees to seventy degrees? That's basically 384 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: what the onboard computer is doing. It's seeing you start 385 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: the engine cold when it's called that. If it's sixty 386 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: five degrees in your driveway that morning, the engine block 387 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: is at sixty five degrees, and it's seeing how long 388 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: does it take to get to operating temperature? And the 389 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: majority of cases, and for the purpose of this conversation, 390 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: we'll call it one hundred and ninety five degrees? All right, 391 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: So what is the rate of rise from the point 392 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: of start to the point of shutting it off? I'm 393 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: sorry to get getting up to operating temperature? How long 394 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: is again? And does it get to operating temperature? Does 395 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: it ever get to one ninety five? That's all part 396 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: of it. So that being said, you know, yeah, then 397 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: Donald went on he goess, I replaced the thermostat and 398 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: the light did not come on for a long time, 399 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: define long time, but now it is with the same 400 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: P zero one twenty eight. Okay, uh, you know I'm 401 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: going to go here. You know how long ago is 402 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: a long time? Is it six months? Is it a year? 403 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: Is it two years? Was it yesterday? And I don't 404 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: know that. So I'm going to diagnose a P zero 405 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: to one to twenty eight that repeats, let's say, once 406 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: in two years. Two years is a long time to me. 407 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: You know when twenty eight can come back. First of all, 408 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean, you know, you replace. It doesn't mean 409 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: the part held up. Depends on the quality of the part. 410 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: This is where we make the argument for companies like Motorad. 411 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: A Motorad thermostat the believe it or not, they call 412 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: that device that operates the thermostat. That's the cooling pellet 413 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: heat motor. They actually call that a heat motor because 414 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: it reacts to heat. And Motor Red makes the finest 415 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: stuff out there. They're actually oe and a lot of things. 416 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: And you know it's is it a good quality thermostat? 417 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: If not, get yourself a motor Red. That eliminates that 418 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: question Number one. Number two, You know, is is this 419 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: a bad new thermostat? Yeah, it could be. What kind 420 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: of condition is the cooling system in overall? How's the coolant? 421 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: All right? You know coolant? We always check freeze point 422 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: and you know level. How about we check acidity. Get 423 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: down to your local loota parts store and ask for 424 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: cooling system test strip which will test the cooling system 425 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: to see if it's acidic or not. Has it, you know, 426 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: has it turned like apple synagor has it gone bad? 427 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 1: And you know, if it has, it's what we call 428 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: it's gone acidic. And the cooling system you could have 429 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: protection good to thirty five below and the cooling could 430 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: be three years old. But if it's acidic. Acidic is acidic, 431 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: it's rotting the cooling system from the inside out and 432 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: that will affect everything, including thermostat and its operation. So 433 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: how clean is the cooling system? Not necessarily visual what 434 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: you can see, but how clean is the cooling system 435 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: in terms of acidity. It's like having an upset stomach. 436 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: You don't see it from the outside, but you know 437 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: it's there all right. Last for it came out with 438 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: and you know you've got to look at everything today. Okay, 439 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: there's no one my car does this. It's it must 440 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: be that kind of a scenario, all right. They've got 441 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: a bulletin that came out quite a while ago that 442 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: talk about you gotta love how they lump things together, okay, 443 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: TSBO eight, dish nine, dish three that talks about if 444 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: you've got a P zero one twenty eight, a delayed 445 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: three four upshift, all right, and a change in the 446 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: way they apply he'll hold. They're updating the software and 447 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: the main engine computer and this is for all vehicles 448 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: built before April tenth of two thousand and eight. You know, 449 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: is it like a fix all kind of a bulletin? Right? 450 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: You know, well, we're going to take care of the 451 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: trans hill hold and by the way, we'll fix the 452 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: thermostat so it doesn't it doesn't do the wrong thing 453 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: at the wrong time anymore. But there is a software 454 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: update for this as well, and you know that's got 455 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: to come into the equation. Also, they do a lot 456 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: with software for the record, and you'll see a lot 457 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: of things get solved and you won't know why, you 458 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: won't know what fixed it, all right, And no, you 459 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: can't do one without the other. But if you haven't done. 460 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: So if this vehicle is running original software, Donald by 461 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: all means there's well there's probably more than just this 462 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: software update for an almost twenty year old vehicle. So 463 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, think about software and programming and you know, 464 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: see what that does for you. But like I said, 465 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: you can find more about the thermostats itself. Get out 466 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: to motorad dot com. And if you're thinking coolant and 467 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: you want to read some stuff about coolant, you can 468 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: get out to the Peak website for Peak Coolant And 469 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: you know, I'll get you that web address when we 470 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: come back and we pull over in a couple of 471 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: seconds here and we'll take a pause. But yeah, we'll 472 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: talk about Peak in a little bit. Let me just 473 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: do this. Oh, I'm not going to do this because 474 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: you know what, we have this gentleman on the phone. 475 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: We go to We go to Wayne first Tom and 476 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: just talk about his transmission fluid level, oil level in 477 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: his Colorado. I was actually going to answer his email. 478 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: Let's go to Wayne real quick twenty sixteen Chevy Colorado. Wayne, 479 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: you're there, sir, Yes, sir, How are you doing good? 480 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: Sir? 481 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. You're trying to check trans oil in 482 00:24:54,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: this twenty sixteen Chevy Colorado and just isn't that great? 483 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: They like, what are they thinking? And I'm gonna tell 484 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: you you probably can't do this. You need to get 485 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: the vehicle up off the ground and it needs to 486 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: be level, right because in the bottom of the trends 487 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: there's gonna be what looks like to be a drain plug, 488 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily a drain plug. You're gonna pull 489 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: that plug out while the engine is running, and you're 490 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: gonna count the number of drops per second that comes 491 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: out of it. Once it's warmed up. The engine has 492 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: to be the transmission has to be an operating temperature, 493 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be some ridiculous three drops per second 494 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: flow rate. Blah blah blah blah blah. We'll get it 495 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: warmed up to operate a temperature. We'll pull the plug. 496 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: We'll see a little bit of a stream. I prefer 497 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of a stream. And it becomes a 498 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: feel thing after a while. You just get a sense 499 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: of it because I like a little more fluid in 500 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: there than what they call for, just because when it's operating, 501 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: working hard. But that's the method. And then if it's 502 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: low up on the passenger side, and you'll love this. 503 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Up on the passenger side, there's going to be a 504 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: little cap and you've got to have another three hundred 505 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: dollars worth of tools to pump fluid out of a 506 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: clean container and up the hose and into the yepkay yeah, 507 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: right right now. If you don't have, if you don't 508 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: have four level jack stands, right now, you got to 509 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: think about this, right, You're gonna work on this. You 510 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: gotta because you can't jack it up front or back 511 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: because if you tilt the transmission, it's going to affect 512 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: how the fluid comes out. You know what a bird 513 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: bath looks like, right, you know the with with the 514 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: water coming out the center. It's basically a bird bath 515 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: style fluid check where the fluid has to be so 516 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: high in order to get into the top part and 517 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: then dribble down through the center and then when it 518 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: finds its level, it stops flowing until you put more 519 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: fluid or water in the bird bath kind of a thing, 520 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: and then water starts to flow again. Yeah, don't ask you, 521 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: don't ask me why I'm a fan of dipsticks, trust me. 522 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 2: Uh, I'm from the old school. Yeah, well, I can 523 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: still I have one more question? 524 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, real quick, I'll tell you. Let me 525 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: pull over to take this. Poor quick, let me let 526 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: me pull over. Take this pause Wayne, so I don't 527 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: run over, Tom won't be out of whack, and I'll 528 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: be back right after this. I'm running any of the car. 529 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: Doctor will return. Don't go anywhere there, I am. Let's 530 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go back to Wayne. I'm sorry, Wayne, 531 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm still here for your brother. What's your question? 532 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: Real quick, real quick. I think I know the answer 533 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: to it, but I just need confirmation. Sure, it's still 534 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 2: on the twenty sixteen Colorado. Okay, it's the radio. All 535 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're driving down the road and it's 536 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 2: calling Zimbabwe, or it's changing the radio station, or it's 537 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: just going completely you know, wacko while you're listening. 538 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: To the radio. 539 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: Right, factory right, fact, that's a computer problem. 540 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: Factory factory radio. Yes, okay, and. 541 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 2: Put an eight screen on it from the factory. 542 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, that's that. Well, first thing I would 543 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: do is pull codes just to see if there's anything 544 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: in there. So what you're saying is you have the 545 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: navigational setup, right, Okay. 546 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has everything. 547 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: Right, that's that can be that that is all likely, 548 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: But understand what you're looking at is you're looking at 549 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: a screen. There's going to be another module that has 550 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: control and authority over that monitor, and then there's going 551 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: to be a cable that connects the two in between. 552 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: So you you can't assume that it's it's the module. 553 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: You know, this is your desktop computer all of a 554 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: sudden locks up. Is it the CPU? Is it the 555 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: power supply? Is the motherboard? Is it the cables in between? 556 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: You know you've got it? Or is it a software issue? 557 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: You've got to diagnose that all right, and that's not. 558 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: Good in other words that say, take the dash apart. 559 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: Well, that's a first thing I would do is when 560 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: the problem is happening. First thing I would do is 561 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: when the problem is happening, can I communicate with all 562 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: the modules that are on that on that network, on 563 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: that bus. By that, I mean if we were to 564 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: look at a wiring diagram of if we were to 565 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: look at an audio wiring diagram, there's gonna be there's 566 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: going to be at least one, likely two or three 567 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: modules that have control and command authority over that over 568 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: that monitor display. Can I can I talk to all 569 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: the modules on that bus. Do this, all right, Wayne, 570 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: send me the VIN send me the seventeen digit vin 571 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: ron at cardoctorshow dot Com, and I'll, you know, remind 572 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: me about this conversation, and I'll be glad to look 573 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: up a wiring diagram for audio and send it back 574 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: to you and you'll see what I'm saying. 575 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: All kay, no problem, we do it. 576 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: Then we can kind of go from there. All right, brother, 577 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: good luck to you. Keep me posted. Yes, sir, Yes, sir, 578 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: let's go over to Cam in Florida. Cam your first name. 579 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: I want that name. That's kind of cool. I'm Cam. 580 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: So what's going on? Brother? 581 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 6: Hey? 582 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 8: What's going on? 583 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: Man? 584 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? So what do you got? 585 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 6: I got? 586 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 8: Uh? 587 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: All right? 588 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 8: Well, just to give you a run, I got myself 589 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 8: twenty eleven CI on XD and I've had it since. 590 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 8: It had one hundred and fourteen thousand miles like brand new. 591 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 8: I changed my oil with the oil and I put 592 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 8: Lucas and seafoam in my system every time I changed 593 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 8: my oil. And I've got three hundred and thirty eight 594 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 8: thousand miles and I drive this thing every day. I 595 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 8: used to drive it some mobilling back, and it runs 596 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 8: like a champ. I've replaced, you know, when when the 597 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 8: cool packs started acting up, I replaced all my cool 598 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 8: packs along with uh, the intake and the mass airflow 599 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 8: and all the little sensors go with. I take very 600 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 8: good care of this one point eight Toyota motor. Gotcha 601 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 8: run like a champ? 602 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: Gotcha you done then? 603 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 2: Right? 604 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Okay? 605 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 8: I bought him a ninety six Corole I had one 606 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 8: hundred and eighty two thousand. 607 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: Miles on it. 608 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 8: So I'm thinking it's, you know, fairly good condition internally 609 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 8: and just some of the outside and we've been. 610 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: We got it, and I put all. 611 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 8: The air spark view all that stuff I've replaced, and 612 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 8: it runs really good. But the out the tail pipe 613 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 8: it's got as it starts, it's kind of a gray 614 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 8: a light grayish smoke, very faint, almost like a cigarette. 615 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 8: And uh and it's kind of just very light and 616 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 8: steady as I'm watching driving off in the road. Is 617 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 8: that is that bout seals? Rings or head gagets are 618 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 8: all the above? 619 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: I would bet on rings, And I'll tell you what. 620 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: Let me pull over and take this pause, because I'm 621 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna run up against the clock here. I don't want 622 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: to rush you, and I can kind of talk to 623 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: you a little bit more about it, but I've got 624 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: I've got some ideas and answers for you. Don't go anywhere, Cam, 625 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm running any and the car doctor. We'll return right 626 00:31:50,920 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: after this Ronny car doctor here. Cam, you're still there, sir? Okay, So, 627 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: first of all, one hundred and eighty one hundred and 628 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: ninety thousand miles, you know, twenty five year old vehicle, 629 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: anything's possible, right, How much oil does it burn? 630 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 8: Really, it's it's not so bad when we go to 631 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 8: when it's about a thousand shy of when it's time 632 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 8: about change. It's it's flirting with a court line. 633 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So it's a court in three thousand, is 634 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: what you're going to tell me, ye, give or take. 635 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: So it's burning oil. The problem with the older the 636 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: problem with the older Toyota is this generation. It depends 637 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: on what the oil change intervals were like, although that 638 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: didn't always have the authority, but it's usually what we've 639 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: got here is sticky or stuck oil control rings. So 640 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: you you know, you would do a traditional compression test 641 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: on the engine and find nothing. You would do a 642 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: cylinder leaked down test and find nothing. The problem is 643 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: the oil control ring, the third ring is stuck in 644 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: the bore and it doesn't have the ability to control 645 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: and scrape oil off the cylinder walls to put it 646 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: back into the crank case. Instead, it sneaks up past 647 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: the compression rings because a compression ring is a compression ring, 648 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: not an oil ring, and it causes it to burn. 649 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: So your question was, is it valves them seals? Is it? 650 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: Is it top end or bottom end? You know it's 651 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: it's it's good, go ahead. 652 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 8: I just I was hoping that I'd be able to 653 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 8: get in here and do everything, me and him with it. 654 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 8: I don't know I'm able to do rings or any 655 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 8: of that stuff. 656 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: Right the knowledge I have, right, well, the knowledge and 657 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: also you know the age of the vehicle. You don't know. 658 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: You don't know what the engine is going to look like. 659 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: It's you're gonna open up a twenty thousand mile, twenty 660 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: five year old engine. If it were me, all right, 661 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: and I wanted to try and diagnose it, my first 662 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: step would be is I'd pull the PCV valve out 663 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: of it. I believe it's valve cover or between the 664 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: intake menifold runner, I'm trying to remember ninety six, but yeah, 665 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: and just be aware the gramt's probably rock hard, right, 666 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 1: So just you know, can you get the PCV valve 667 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: out of the cover and when you start it does 668 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: that change? Does it stop smoking? You know? Is the 669 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: PCV valve out of calibration drawing in oil? Okay? The 670 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: fact the fact that the fact that you don't see it, 671 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: and I doubt it, but I don't want to leave 672 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: any stone unturned, cam all right, The fact that you 673 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: don't see it smoke on a continuous basis or you do. 674 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: Do you see it smoke all the time? 675 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 8: I uh, not all the time? Started and you'll. 676 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: Come out right because the issue there is. The issue 677 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: there is the catalytic converter is finally warming up, and 678 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,959 Speaker 1: when the cat warms up, it will oxidize and burn 679 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: off the oil. So the question here becomes if it's 680 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 1: top or bottom end that two hundred thousand month files 681 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: a quart in three thousand. I'd probably leave it alone. 682 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: See if it fouls plugs, because you're having to put 683 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: an entire engine in it, and I don't know if 684 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: that's worth it. I'm run An ad in the car Doctor, 685 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 686 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 6: See you