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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Scheger is a production of the

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Speaker 2: What's Up, Everybody, Welcome to the Season with Peter Schrager.

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Speaker 1: We are going into the final week of the season,

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Speaker 1: Week eighteen, but we are also heading towards the start

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Speaker 1: of the coaching hiring process that starts right.

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Speaker 2: Away next week.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to spend today's podcast hitting on a

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Speaker 1: lot of those different teams, a lot of these different candidates,

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Speaker 1: and I've gone through the rolodexo I wanted to have on.

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Speaker 1: Originally I was going to have on a coaching agent

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Speaker 1: and I was like, that's a little bit I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's instructive, but it can also be biased towards that

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Speaker 1: want to hear from agents telling us about how hard

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Speaker 1: their jobs are.

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Speaker 2: I kind of crossed that one off the list.

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Speaker 1: Then I was going to go through one of the

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's pretty narrowly focused, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to use this platform in this time period

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Speaker 1: teams are listening. Then I decided to just focus on

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Speaker 1: as a team that has DJ Reid, a free agent

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Speaker 1: coming out and saying he's looking forward to being a

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Speaker 1: free agent after signing a massive deal with the Jets

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, a team that had Garrett Wilson,

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Speaker 1: ball longing for how much he missed his old offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Lafleur after they got blown out by the

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Speaker 1: Rams two weeks ago at a home game, and Sauce

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Speaker 1: Gardner sending a Instagram post to T Higgins saying that

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't be going to the Jets, the team that

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to have on as our Yes.

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Speaker 1: One of the top Jets bloggers slash voices, he's also

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Speaker 3: I wanted to bring out a friend of mine, a

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Speaker 1: And his name is Danny, And Danny's the one who's

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk Jets. We're gonna go through all.

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Speaker 1: The Jets stuff in a second, but before we do Jets,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do a little bit on some of

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Speaker 1: just kind of emptying the bag quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: First, the Bears.

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Speaker 1: If you think Jets fans are in disarray, go talk

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Speaker 1: to a Bears fan. This week, Bears have not on

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Speaker 1: a game since before Thanksgiving. We know that the Bears

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Speaker 1: aren't an utter tailspin. To end this season with a

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Speaker 1: The Bears process, from what I'm being told, is going

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Speaker 1: to be run by GM Ryan Poles. Now, a lot

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Speaker 1: of Bears fans want Ryan Poles out of a job.

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Speaker 1: From what I'm told, barring any crazy, crazy news in

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Speaker 1: When the Bears fired their previous head coach, Matt Naggy,

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Speaker 1: He's been a podcast guest here, He's been a podcast

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Speaker 1: I could tell you that Poles and the Bears they

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Speaker 1: They're a mess in that we don't know where they're

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Speaker 2: And he went with John Gruden.

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Speaker 1: And then he dropped a little nugget that the Saints

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Speaker 1: and like Aaron and like so many others who are

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Speaker 2: Of the New Orleans Saints. That's a name to watch.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It's been a very fun

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Speaker 1: Me on first of all, subtle Flex Hawaii and then

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Speaker 1: This, we're in our home offices with sick kids and

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Speaker 4: get it. They're doing the diligence. So that That's where

434
00:20:11,986 --> 00:20:14,066
Speaker 4: I'm at right now. I'm really rooting for Rabel. If not,

435
00:20:14,946 --> 00:20:16,466
Speaker 4: I think Liam Cohen would get a lot of Jet

436
00:20:16,546 --> 00:20:19,146
Speaker 4: fans really excited. They want the young offensive mine first

437
00:20:19,146 --> 00:20:21,186
Speaker 4: time head coach though, So that's the concern there.

438
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Speaker 2: Danny, what do you say?

439
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Speaker 7: I think you've hit it on the head.

440
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Speaker 5: Peter. You know, the last time the Jets were in

441
00:20:27,106 --> 00:20:29,386
Speaker 5: a spot like this was you know, I think when

442
00:20:29,386 --> 00:20:31,906
Speaker 5: we were one in fifteen other co type and what

443
00:20:32,106 --> 00:20:35,066
Speaker 5: Leon has to He said, you know, I've had enough.

444
00:20:35,746 --> 00:20:38,546
Speaker 5: I got to I got to bring in somebody that

445
00:20:38,626 --> 00:20:41,506
Speaker 5: can change this whole organization around. He went out, he

446
00:20:41,586 --> 00:20:45,586
Speaker 5: got the tuna, he let him pick the groceries. Right now,

447
00:20:45,626 --> 00:20:47,866
Speaker 5: I'm not saying there's another candidate out there like him.

448
00:20:48,186 --> 00:20:50,346
Speaker 5: I think last year there was in Jim Harbaugh. And

449
00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:54,306
Speaker 5: look what Jim's done with the Chargers very quickly. But

450
00:20:54,506 --> 00:20:58,146
Speaker 5: I agree with Joe and probably the most similar type

451
00:20:58,186 --> 00:21:00,746
Speaker 5: guy to that type of a CEO coach who can

452
00:21:00,786 --> 00:21:03,786
Speaker 5: come in and really put his stamp on the organization

453
00:21:03,906 --> 00:21:06,386
Speaker 5: quickly is Rabel. And I think they also have to

454
00:21:06,506 --> 00:21:09,626
Speaker 5: oh and really turn over every stone around the league

455
00:21:09,666 --> 00:21:12,106
Speaker 5: and see who could be available via trade as well.

456
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Speaker 7: And I don't know who that guy is.

457
00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:15,226
Speaker 6: You don't know who's.

458
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Speaker 7: Unhappy, you know, with a current GM or ownership.

459
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Speaker 5: But to me, the most obvious choice is probably Vrable,

460
00:21:22,506 --> 00:21:24,066
Speaker 5: but there's gonna be a lot of competition for him.

461
00:21:24,066 --> 00:21:25,826
Speaker 7: It seems like he's the top of everyone's list.

462
00:21:25,866 --> 00:21:29,946
Speaker 5: And then for GM, I think you know, whether you're

463
00:21:29,946 --> 00:21:32,666
Speaker 5: picking the head coach first or the GM first, the

464
00:21:32,706 --> 00:21:34,826
Speaker 5: two guys have to be in sync. So it's Rable.

465
00:21:35,226 --> 00:21:37,346
Speaker 5: You got to let him be in on that conversation

466
00:21:37,586 --> 00:21:39,386
Speaker 5: and bring in a guy that he can work with,

467
00:21:39,626 --> 00:21:42,306
Speaker 5: who has a relationship with We've seen these arranged marriages

468
00:21:42,666 --> 00:21:45,706
Speaker 5: starting with Rex and Izick to mccagnan and Bowles, the

469
00:21:45,826 --> 00:21:50,186
Speaker 5: Solid and Joe d It just doesn't work right. I mean,

470
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Speaker 5: we need guys that are coming in as a team

471
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Speaker 5: that are gonna work in sync and turn this thing around.

472
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think Mike Tannebam's role needs to be

473
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Speaker 1: analyzed here. So here's how it's gonna work in these meetings.

474
00:22:02,826 --> 00:22:05,266
Speaker 1: And you guys probably know this as Jets fans, but

475
00:22:05,786 --> 00:22:08,386
Speaker 1: they're gonna likely fly everyone down to Palm Beach, where

476
00:22:08,386 --> 00:22:11,186
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson spends his winters. They're gonna sit down in

477
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Speaker 1: Palm Beach and it'll be Christopher Johnson, who's the younger brother.

478
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Speaker 1: It'll be Heimi Ala who who is the president of

479
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Speaker 1: the Jets, and it'll be Mike Tannembaum and maybe Rick

480
00:22:21,826 --> 00:22:26,426
Speaker 1: Spielman in there. Tannabaum, who was obviously there ten fifteen

481
00:22:26,466 --> 00:22:28,546
Speaker 1: years ago last time I went to the playoffs, but has.

482
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Speaker 2: Been on ESPN the last several years.

483
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Speaker 1: Does this thirty third team for a Cup of Coffee

484
00:22:33,466 --> 00:22:36,266
Speaker 1: was serving as an agent to Dan Quinn and Steve Kerr.

485
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting voice in.

486
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Speaker 1: Jets fandom because yes, there was great, glorious years of

487
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Speaker 1: AFC championships, but there also were some years at the

488
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Speaker 1: end there where Jets fans weren't enamored. He's gonna have

489
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Speaker 1: a voice now. Is he going to ultimately play a

490
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Speaker 1: role moving forward?

491
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Speaker 2: Is that GM who gets hired Curious of what's Tannebaum's

492
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Speaker 2: deal here? Is this a one and donner? Am I

493
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Speaker 2: gonna have to report to him?

494
00:23:01,066 --> 00:23:04,346
Speaker 1: Joe your thoughts on Tannabaum being so intimately involved in

495
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Speaker 1: all of this.

496
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Speaker 4: It's definitely an Now. I would rather have him and

497
00:23:08,946 --> 00:23:11,946
Speaker 4: Spielman wang in than just Woody and Chris and whoever

498
00:23:11,986 --> 00:23:13,986
Speaker 4: else in the family is now weighing in on decisions.

499
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Speaker 4: I think it's good they have former guys who have

500
00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:19,386
Speaker 4: done the job, and Tamnebaum did something that's really hard

501
00:23:19,386 --> 00:23:21,106
Speaker 4: to do here. He left with a winning record. I

502
00:23:21,146 --> 00:23:23,146
Speaker 4: think he was a little over five hundred, which does

503
00:23:23,186 --> 00:23:26,026
Speaker 4: not happen for a lot of Jets gms, so not perfect.

504
00:23:26,106 --> 00:23:27,786
Speaker 4: You know, he hit the t boat trade and things

505
00:23:27,786 --> 00:23:30,426
Speaker 4: got ugly at the end. But I would rather have

506
00:23:30,506 --> 00:23:32,306
Speaker 4: him weigh in. I hope it's just a one off, right.

507
00:23:32,346 --> 00:23:34,986
Speaker 4: He is working with them for the interview process. When

508
00:23:34,986 --> 00:23:37,226
Speaker 4: it's done, it's done, you clearly hand it off to

509
00:23:37,266 --> 00:23:40,026
Speaker 4: the new general manager or the new VP of football operations,

510
00:23:40,346 --> 00:23:41,866
Speaker 4: and then you get out of the way, and hopefully

511
00:23:41,906 --> 00:23:45,626
Speaker 4: they strongly recommend to Woody and ownership and Himei that

512
00:23:45,746 --> 00:23:46,306
Speaker 4: look like.

513
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Speaker 6: You trusted us to run this process.

514
00:23:48,626 --> 00:23:52,426
Speaker 4: Let your new GM bring in some recommended changes to analytics,

515
00:23:52,466 --> 00:23:54,826
Speaker 4: to scouting, to sports medicine, to how we deal with

516
00:23:55,186 --> 00:23:58,066
Speaker 4: the media, to every part of the organization, because every

517
00:23:58,106 --> 00:24:00,826
Speaker 4: little thing matters and adds up and they need that

518
00:24:00,946 --> 00:24:03,266
Speaker 4: full reset. They I don't blame them for the Rogers

519
00:24:03,306 --> 00:24:05,626
Speaker 4: hail mary. They missed on Zach Wilson. They needed to

520
00:24:05,626 --> 00:24:08,066
Speaker 4: throw a hail mary. It likely ended when he got

521
00:24:08,106 --> 00:24:11,026
Speaker 4: hurt against Buffalo. The timelines didn't add up anymore. This

522
00:24:11,146 --> 00:24:12,786
Speaker 4: year was just kind of an ugly et blog. I

523
00:24:12,786 --> 00:24:14,026
Speaker 4: didn't think it was going to be this ugly.

524
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Speaker 2: How crazy it ended in the fourth play of his tenure. Yeah, sad.

525
00:24:18,786 --> 00:24:20,506
Speaker 4: It really is sad. And I was in the building

526
00:24:20,506 --> 00:24:22,066
Speaker 4: and it was like I couldn't even watch it. I

527
00:24:22,066 --> 00:24:24,706
Speaker 4: was starting to watch Enigma a little bit, and I

528
00:24:24,746 --> 00:24:25,866
Speaker 4: was just like, I don't want to watch this again.

529
00:24:25,906 --> 00:24:27,466
Speaker 4: I don't want to relive this night. I don't want

530
00:24:27,466 --> 00:24:29,546
Speaker 4: to relive this. Just want over at this point, which

531
00:24:29,546 --> 00:24:32,546
Speaker 4: is shit, because it's not like you just you had

532
00:24:32,626 --> 00:24:34,466
Speaker 4: such high expectations, but you just got to blow it

533
00:24:34,506 --> 00:24:36,106
Speaker 4: up and start to work again. And I know that's

534
00:24:36,106 --> 00:24:38,866
Speaker 4: frustrating for everyone to hear, but you don't want to

535
00:24:39,266 --> 00:24:42,306
Speaker 4: row along something that didn't work, and this just didn't work.

536
00:24:42,346 --> 00:24:44,746
Speaker 4: They're four and eleven. Three of their wins are against

537
00:24:44,786 --> 00:24:47,106
Speaker 4: the mac Jones Jaguars, the Will Levis Titans, and the

538
00:24:47,186 --> 00:24:50,586
Speaker 4: Jacobre Presett Patriots. They are up picking in the top

539
00:24:50,626 --> 00:24:53,986
Speaker 4: four most likely. So you want to go full refresh

540
00:24:53,986 --> 00:24:55,586
Speaker 4: and hopefully that's what's allowed to happen.

541
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Speaker 2: Danny, your thoughts on the Rogers era as a whole.

542
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean the excitement in the parking lot prior

543
00:25:03,826 --> 00:25:05,986
Speaker 5: to the you know, the opener of the bills was

544
00:25:06,066 --> 00:25:09,506
Speaker 5: like thing. You know, I've seen him coming out with

545
00:25:09,506 --> 00:25:11,946
Speaker 5: the flags. I mean, the lights are going off. It

546
00:25:12,026 --> 00:25:14,746
Speaker 5: felt like it was a Super Bowl at MetLife. You

547
00:25:14,786 --> 00:25:19,386
Speaker 5: know that lasted about ten minutes, you know, going from

548
00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:21,506
Speaker 5: that high to that low, and that short of amount

549
00:25:21,546 --> 00:25:23,866
Speaker 5: of time was definitely not healthy for you know, the

550
00:25:23,946 --> 00:25:27,426
Speaker 5: eighty thousand people that were in attendance. But look, I

551
00:25:27,426 --> 00:25:29,426
Speaker 5: think they made the right move, you know, taking that

552
00:25:29,466 --> 00:25:31,946
Speaker 5: swing and going for Rogers. And if he didn't get

553
00:25:32,026 --> 00:25:34,706
Speaker 5: hurt four plays in, I think it would have been

554
00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:39,026
Speaker 5: I think we would have made the playoffs. But you know,

555
00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:42,666
Speaker 5: something was obviously off this year. He also had a

556
00:25:42,706 --> 00:25:45,586
Speaker 5: forty year old coming off in Achilles and it just

557
00:25:45,626 --> 00:25:46,306
Speaker 5: didn't work out.

558
00:25:46,506 --> 00:25:50,626
Speaker 7: So, you know, it's unfortunate. I think it was the

559
00:25:50,706 --> 00:25:53,666
Speaker 7: right move, but you know, here we are building from

560
00:25:53,706 --> 00:25:54,386
Speaker 7: scratch again.

561
00:25:54,866 --> 00:25:58,386
Speaker 1: Okay, and now, Danny, do you bring him back for

562
00:25:58,466 --> 00:26:00,866
Speaker 1: next year? If a coach comes in and says, all right,

563
00:26:00,906 --> 00:26:02,946
Speaker 1: there's no other I mean he saw Mike Greenberg, no

564
00:26:03,026 --> 00:26:03,826
Speaker 1: relation to Tampa.

565
00:26:03,906 --> 00:26:05,666
Speaker 2: Mike Greenberg, the ESPN one who made the point that

566
00:26:05,666 --> 00:26:06,106
Speaker 2: I think a lot of.

567
00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:09,186
Speaker 1: People not along with saying you're not you're not getting

568
00:26:09,186 --> 00:26:12,666
Speaker 1: Sam Donald back here. You know, the free agent class

569
00:26:12,706 --> 00:26:15,866
Speaker 1: is not a lade. The quarterback draft is probably not

570
00:26:15,946 --> 00:26:18,346
Speaker 1: going to be a top two pick fall into the Jets.

571
00:26:18,826 --> 00:26:20,626
Speaker 1: Are you any worse off with Rogers? But to me,

572
00:26:20,746 --> 00:26:22,986
Speaker 1: my response is culturally, you got to just get rid

573
00:26:23,026 --> 00:26:24,546
Speaker 1: of them if you want to start new and reset

574
00:26:24,586 --> 00:26:25,066
Speaker 1: what you thought.

575
00:26:25,226 --> 00:26:28,066
Speaker 5: Because of the cap situation and the dead money, you

576
00:26:28,146 --> 00:26:31,306
Speaker 5: definitely have to look into is there is there a

577
00:26:31,346 --> 00:26:33,426
Speaker 5: way to bring them back for one more year and

578
00:26:33,146 --> 00:26:35,706
Speaker 5: be a bridge guide to potentially a rookie that you

579
00:26:35,826 --> 00:26:38,786
Speaker 5: draft if you can, you know, sit down and get

580
00:26:38,826 --> 00:26:42,466
Speaker 5: everyone on the same page. Garrett Wilson top of the list, right,

581
00:26:42,546 --> 00:26:45,266
Speaker 5: because if Garrett's not happy, it's not going to work.

582
00:26:45,346 --> 00:26:47,706
Speaker 5: And you know, really the way that we saw it

583
00:26:47,786 --> 00:26:50,386
Speaker 5: was Devonte was coming in to open things up for Garrett,

584
00:26:50,626 --> 00:26:54,186
Speaker 5: not the other way around, So that that relationship has

585
00:26:54,226 --> 00:26:56,906
Speaker 5: to be fixed. That's but for the next you know,

586
00:26:56,946 --> 00:26:58,706
Speaker 5: head coach and GM, that's top of the list.

587
00:26:59,506 --> 00:27:01,066
Speaker 7: You have to look into it. I wouldn't say you

588
00:27:01,146 --> 00:27:03,106
Speaker 7: just release them day to season's over.

589
00:27:04,746 --> 00:27:07,386
Speaker 5: Again because if you if you get rid of him now,

590
00:27:08,706 --> 00:27:10,066
Speaker 5: the dead cap is so big.

591
00:27:11,706 --> 00:27:14,026
Speaker 7: So you have to at least look into that situation.

592
00:27:14,106 --> 00:27:15,626
Speaker 7: And maybe a Rabel.

593
00:27:15,306 --> 00:27:17,626
Speaker 5: Says, you know what, I'll take Rogers for a year,

594
00:27:17,666 --> 00:27:20,346
Speaker 5: I'll draft somebody, let him sit, and I think we can.

595
00:27:20,226 --> 00:27:23,946
Speaker 7: Win ten games running the ball, playing good defense with Rogers.

596
00:27:24,546 --> 00:27:27,146
Speaker 1: What about culturally though, having him in there with the

597
00:27:27,226 --> 00:27:28,106
Speaker 1: McAfee once.

598
00:27:28,186 --> 00:27:30,826
Speaker 5: I think, I think that's for the new head coach

599
00:27:30,986 --> 00:27:34,466
Speaker 5: and GM to the side if it can right ANSWER's

600
00:27:34,506 --> 00:27:35,706
Speaker 5: going on inside the locker room.

601
00:27:35,706 --> 00:27:38,706
Speaker 7: But again, what I see from Garrett Wilson I don't like.

602
00:27:38,786 --> 00:27:41,466
Speaker 5: And I think every Jets fan you know is on

603
00:27:41,506 --> 00:27:44,226
Speaker 5: the same page that Garrett Wilson is a key piece

604
00:27:44,266 --> 00:27:48,106
Speaker 5: into turning this situation around and he's got.

605
00:27:47,866 --> 00:27:48,306
Speaker 6: To be happy.

606
00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:52,906
Speaker 1: Joe, I'm gonna give you guys names. Now forget GM

607
00:27:52,946 --> 00:27:55,186
Speaker 1: for a second. I'm gonna pepper you with just names.

608
00:27:55,706 --> 00:27:56,346
Speaker 5: Give me your.

609
00:27:56,186 --> 00:27:58,786
Speaker 1: Thoughts if this is ultimately the head coach of the

610
00:27:58,826 --> 00:28:02,026
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Are you feeling good? Are you feeling

611
00:28:02,026 --> 00:28:05,186
Speaker 1: like you're settled? Are you feeling like you know this?

612
00:28:05,186 --> 00:28:06,626
Speaker 1: This won't be it? The first name I'm I'm going

613
00:28:06,666 --> 00:28:09,906
Speaker 1: to give you is the one that you mentioned. Liam Cohen,

614
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:15,706
Speaker 1: who is a University of Massachusett's former quarterback, has been

615
00:28:15,826 --> 00:28:19,546
Speaker 1: around coaching ranks, was with the Rams for a while

616
00:28:19,666 --> 00:28:23,626
Speaker 1: under McVeigh, and of course was with Kentucky when Will

617
00:28:23,706 --> 00:28:26,026
Speaker 1: Levis had his big ears, and then went back to

618
00:28:26,106 --> 00:28:29,146
Speaker 1: the NFL and was with Tampa Bay in this great

619
00:28:29,146 --> 00:28:33,266
Speaker 1: Baker season. If Liam Cohen, first year head coach, really

620
00:28:33,306 --> 00:28:36,826
Speaker 1: green but also considered a really smart offensive mind as

621
00:28:36,826 --> 00:28:38,626
Speaker 1: the head coach, how are you feeling in the morning

622
00:28:38,666 --> 00:28:39,746
Speaker 1: after that press conference?

623
00:28:40,546 --> 00:28:42,506
Speaker 4: I think I'd be excited. I think you're playing coordinator

624
00:28:42,546 --> 00:28:44,626
Speaker 4: roulette a little bit, but that is inevitable when you're

625
00:28:44,666 --> 00:28:46,186
Speaker 4: doing these searches. If you're not going to land the

626
00:28:46,186 --> 00:28:48,226
Speaker 4: big fish like Vrabel and if you're going to play

627
00:28:48,266 --> 00:28:51,346
Speaker 4: coordinator Roulette. I think most Jet fans would be excited

628
00:28:51,426 --> 00:28:53,826
Speaker 4: to see that be from the offensive side of the football.

629
00:28:54,106 --> 00:28:55,986
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a franchise that has basically only

630
00:28:56,106 --> 00:28:58,666
Speaker 4: hired guys from the defensive side of the football outside

631
00:28:58,706 --> 00:29:00,986
Speaker 4: of Gase, which I've tried to erase from my memory.

632
00:29:01,266 --> 00:29:03,906
Speaker 4: So I think you'd be a generally happy fan base

633
00:29:03,946 --> 00:29:05,586
Speaker 4: if they hired him. He seems to be a top

634
00:29:05,586 --> 00:29:10,706
Speaker 4: three pick from fans right now, Danny, But Joe, Is.

635
00:29:10,666 --> 00:29:14,266
Speaker 5: Liam Cohen a great play caller or is he a

636
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:18,906
Speaker 5: culture builder? Head coach CEO? That's what I'm great I think,

637
00:29:18,946 --> 00:29:21,306
Speaker 5: I think Williams. I think Liam's done a great job

638
00:29:21,306 --> 00:29:24,026
Speaker 5: with Baker in the Bucks. You know, they're putting up

639
00:29:24,066 --> 00:29:26,586
Speaker 5: a lot of points, and I mean Mike Evans is

640
00:29:26,626 --> 00:29:29,306
Speaker 5: having a fantastic season under the radar Bucky Irving.

641
00:29:29,746 --> 00:29:32,346
Speaker 7: But the Jets need more than a play caller, right

642
00:29:32,506 --> 00:29:34,666
Speaker 7: We need somebody that can really come in and change

643
00:29:34,666 --> 00:29:38,226
Speaker 7: the culture, like with what I've seen Jim Harball do

644
00:29:38,306 --> 00:29:39,226
Speaker 7: with the Chargers.

645
00:29:39,586 --> 00:29:43,026
Speaker 5: You know he's not a play caller, right, No, No,

646
00:29:43,106 --> 00:29:44,186
Speaker 5: they have they have their guys.

647
00:29:44,186 --> 00:29:46,386
Speaker 2: Greg Romans, the play caller in.

648
00:29:46,466 --> 00:29:49,986
Speaker 1: La but those guys don't Those guys don't grow on

649
00:29:50,026 --> 00:29:50,666
Speaker 1: trees right now?

650
00:29:50,986 --> 00:29:56,426
Speaker 4: How many? How many guys besides raybo Cat you go

651
00:29:56,426 --> 00:29:57,146
Speaker 4: to college?

652
00:29:57,346 --> 00:29:58,346
Speaker 2: What about Pete Carroll?

653
00:29:59,906 --> 00:30:00,946
Speaker 5: I like Pete Carroll?

654
00:30:01,426 --> 00:30:02,826
Speaker 2: Do you seventy three years old?

655
00:30:02,866 --> 00:30:04,146
Speaker 1: I think he was the coach of the Chicks for

656
00:30:04,186 --> 00:30:06,826
Speaker 1: the for the Boomerasias and Fake Spike before.

657
00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:07,786
Speaker 2: Yeah.

658
00:30:07,906 --> 00:30:09,786
Speaker 5: I like Pete Carroll. I don't think it's the right

659
00:30:09,786 --> 00:30:11,826
Speaker 5: fit with the Jets. I think he's the right fit

660
00:30:11,866 --> 00:30:14,546
Speaker 5: with a team that has a short window to win now,

661
00:30:14,986 --> 00:30:18,186
Speaker 5: not a rebuild, and we're looking for somebody that can

662
00:30:18,226 --> 00:30:21,426
Speaker 5: come in right the ship and be here a long term.

663
00:30:21,746 --> 00:30:24,106
Speaker 5: So I think Pete Carroll's probably a better fit for

664
00:30:24,146 --> 00:30:26,826
Speaker 5: a different team, Joe.

665
00:30:27,786 --> 00:30:30,426
Speaker 4: I think Pete Carroll people would be again excited about

666
00:30:30,426 --> 00:30:33,146
Speaker 4: because outside of Rabel, there's not a lot of names

667
00:30:33,146 --> 00:30:35,586
Speaker 4: out there who have been former head coaches who have won.

668
00:30:35,826 --> 00:30:38,066
Speaker 4: Ed Carroll's obviously won a lot. You worry about the age,

669
00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:40,386
Speaker 4: but he's always been a high energy guy, so I

670
00:30:40,426 --> 00:30:43,106
Speaker 4: don't worry about quaint as much with him. I just

671
00:30:43,186 --> 00:30:44,946
Speaker 4: I feel like I haven't heard a lot of chatter

672
00:30:45,026 --> 00:30:47,946
Speaker 4: about that marriage. Maybe he doesn't want to come back here.

673
00:30:47,986 --> 00:30:49,866
Speaker 4: He's already been a head coach here. It seems like

674
00:30:49,986 --> 00:30:53,066
Speaker 4: maybe that's more of a Bears thing. I certainly wouldn't

675
00:30:53,106 --> 00:30:54,866
Speaker 4: hate it, you know, I'd be more excited about that

676
00:30:54,906 --> 00:30:56,386
Speaker 4: than some of the other names I've been seeing, like

677
00:30:56,506 --> 00:30:58,866
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith or Matt Naggy trying to get a heart

678
00:30:58,906 --> 00:31:01,346
Speaker 4: attack for every Jet fan when they see that. So

679
00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:05,906
Speaker 4: I don't think you'd see Jet fans angry about a

680
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:08,346
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll because again, he's won, and it's very hard

681
00:31:08,386 --> 00:31:09,866
Speaker 4: to find guys who have won. You got to end

682
00:31:10,026 --> 00:31:11,946
Speaker 4: a lot of times you end up rolling the dice

683
00:31:11,986 --> 00:31:14,346
Speaker 4: on the coordinator of the moment, And can they build

684
00:31:14,346 --> 00:31:16,546
Speaker 4: the right stack, can they have the right assistant head coach?

685
00:31:16,666 --> 00:31:19,906
Speaker 4: Can they know can cod hire the right defensive coordinator?

686
00:31:20,106 --> 00:31:22,026
Speaker 4: Is a guy like Rivera here as an assistant head

687
00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:24,026
Speaker 4: coach to help him as a first time or on

688
00:31:24,106 --> 00:31:26,306
Speaker 4: the job or something like that. I don't know, but

689
00:31:26,826 --> 00:31:30,146
Speaker 4: if it's not veryable, Carol's probably the only other former

690
00:31:30,226 --> 00:31:33,106
Speaker 4: head coach out there with that kind of reputation that

691
00:31:33,146 --> 00:31:34,026
Speaker 4: would be in the mix.

692
00:31:34,266 --> 00:31:36,826
Speaker 1: I want both your thoughts, Danny, I was doing Good

693
00:31:36,826 --> 00:31:40,426
Speaker 1: Morning Football today and Tom Pellasero very suddenly dropped the nugget,

694
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:42,066
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's from Bob Lamont, the agent

695
00:31:42,106 --> 00:31:45,626
Speaker 1: who doesn't need to be dropping nuggets. And Bob represents everybody,

696
00:31:45,986 --> 00:31:47,306
Speaker 1: but his biggest client for many.

697
00:31:47,226 --> 00:31:48,386
Speaker 2: Years was one John Gruden.

698
00:31:48,466 --> 00:31:50,426
Speaker 1: And now John Gruden's name came up on Good Morning

699
00:31:50,466 --> 00:31:53,386
Speaker 1: Football that the Saints offered him the offensive coordinator job.

700
00:31:53,426 --> 00:31:55,426
Speaker 1: He said, no, thank you, you went to barstool instead.

701
00:31:56,026 --> 00:32:00,426
Speaker 2: Danny from lot E, If John Gruden is wearing.

702
00:32:00,106 --> 00:32:03,466
Speaker 1: The Jets colors at a press conference on January eighth

703
00:32:03,586 --> 00:32:06,266
Speaker 1: as the CEO of the football team, what is your reaction?

704
00:32:07,346 --> 00:32:09,506
Speaker 7: Wouldn't be too excited about that one.

705
00:32:09,586 --> 00:32:11,906
Speaker 5: You know, John was given the keys by the Raiders

706
00:32:12,706 --> 00:32:15,866
Speaker 5: really to come in, pick the players, run the team,

707
00:32:16,026 --> 00:32:18,866
Speaker 5: and we saw what happened, right, It wasn't a success.

708
00:32:19,146 --> 00:32:25,946
Speaker 5: I think he made the playoffs once as a enough Okay,

709
00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:29,186
Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, if I was going to go

710
00:32:30,146 --> 00:32:33,146
Speaker 5: for a coach like that, honestly, i'd take Rex over

711
00:32:33,226 --> 00:32:35,746
Speaker 5: John Rudin. But I'm excited about that either.

712
00:32:36,506 --> 00:32:38,306
Speaker 2: All Right, Rex thoughts Joe.

713
00:32:39,346 --> 00:32:42,346
Speaker 4: It's honestly, it's it's mind blowing to me that this

714
00:32:42,466 --> 00:32:43,986
Speaker 4: is actually like a real conversation.

715
00:32:44,106 --> 00:32:44,586
Speaker 2: It seems to be.

716
00:32:44,626 --> 00:32:46,066
Speaker 4: It seems like he's going to get intoview.

717
00:32:46,186 --> 00:32:47,226
Speaker 2: He will get an interview.

718
00:32:47,386 --> 00:32:48,946
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy is not been a head coach

719
00:32:49,106 --> 00:32:51,626
Speaker 4: in a decade. Now, Listen, what every Jet fan loves

720
00:32:51,626 --> 00:32:54,586
Speaker 4: about Rex is that Rex has a genuine passion for

721
00:32:54,746 --> 00:32:57,786
Speaker 4: being a Jet thank you for the organization, which outside

722
00:32:57,786 --> 00:33:00,666
Speaker 4: of fans it's few far between out there. Now Does

723
00:33:00,666 --> 00:33:02,466
Speaker 4: that mean he has any idea how to coach a

724
00:33:02,506 --> 00:33:05,746
Speaker 4: winning team at twenty twenty four? Who is his offensive coordinator?

725
00:33:05,786 --> 00:33:08,306
Speaker 4: Is he re High the old band from twenty ten?

726
00:33:08,866 --> 00:33:12,066
Speaker 4: I don't know, but man, I do if he gets

727
00:33:12,106 --> 00:33:15,306
Speaker 4: an interview, and like Rabel's already somewhere else, I do

728
00:33:15,546 --> 00:33:17,706
Speaker 4: kind of worry about the ground smell of being like

729
00:33:18,026 --> 00:33:20,306
Speaker 4: about it just time. And I also feel like if

730
00:33:20,346 --> 00:33:23,186
Speaker 4: you're not bringing Rogers back, like there's a Rex in

731
00:33:23,346 --> 00:33:26,066
Speaker 4: Rogers like one two year like bridge thing I could

732
00:33:26,226 --> 00:33:28,346
Speaker 4: maybe talk myself into, because I don't have a choice

733
00:33:28,346 --> 00:33:31,026
Speaker 4: because I'm a Jets fan. Beyond mat Man, that is

734
00:33:31,106 --> 00:33:33,746
Speaker 4: like potential for a complete disaster, and I don't want

735
00:33:33,746 --> 00:33:36,386
Speaker 4: to ruin by what was good Rex memories. Although it

736
00:33:36,386 --> 00:33:39,386
Speaker 4: didn't angreat, it just feels like crazy to me. I

737
00:33:39,426 --> 00:33:40,306
Speaker 4: don't think they can do it.

738
00:33:40,346 --> 00:33:42,386
Speaker 5: I agree with you, Joe, but I would interview Rex

739
00:33:42,386 --> 00:33:44,186
Speaker 5: and I would hear what he has to say, because look,

740
00:33:44,226 --> 00:33:46,586
Speaker 5: he's been on ESPN, He's seen what's going on in

741
00:33:46,586 --> 00:33:50,026
Speaker 5: the league, and he knows football, and he can shoot

742
00:33:50,026 --> 00:33:52,226
Speaker 5: it to Wood's straight and tell him really what's going

743
00:33:52,266 --> 00:33:55,026
Speaker 5: on here, what the problems are here, and what needs

744
00:33:55,066 --> 00:33:56,946
Speaker 5: to change. And I think that would just be a

745
00:33:56,946 --> 00:33:59,386
Speaker 5: good conversation, you know, for what he to have. I'm

746
00:33:59,386 --> 00:34:01,266
Speaker 5: not banging a table for Rex to be the coach,

747
00:34:01,746 --> 00:34:03,386
Speaker 5: and I don't think a lot of Jets fans would

748
00:34:03,386 --> 00:34:05,426
Speaker 5: be happy for that. I'm just saying when it comes

749
00:34:05,466 --> 00:34:08,186
Speaker 5: to hiring an old coach that hasn't had success in

750
00:34:08,226 --> 00:34:11,466
Speaker 5: a while, and we're bringing up Gruden, you know, I

751
00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:13,226
Speaker 5: don't think either of these guys are the right fit

752
00:34:13,346 --> 00:34:13,706
Speaker 5: right now.

753
00:34:13,866 --> 00:34:15,506
Speaker 1: One thing I would say with Rex, and I wish

754
00:34:15,546 --> 00:34:17,986
Speaker 1: I could. Maybe I will reach out to him. I've

755
00:34:17,986 --> 00:34:19,946
Speaker 1: talked to him before. It's like you can't come in

756
00:34:19,986 --> 00:34:21,226
Speaker 1: there and be like my son is going to be

757
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:24,346
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, my brother's defensive coordinator, and Dennis Thurmond is

758
00:34:24,386 --> 00:34:26,706
Speaker 1: going to be, you know, in the in the defensive room,

759
00:34:26,786 --> 00:34:29,386
Speaker 1: like those guys can all have jobs, and I understand,

760
00:34:29,386 --> 00:34:31,466
Speaker 1: but like you kind of need to pair Rex with

761
00:34:31,466 --> 00:34:33,826
Speaker 1: one of these hot offensive coordinators to kind of satisfy

762
00:34:33,826 --> 00:34:34,866
Speaker 1: the fan base, right.

763
00:34:35,546 --> 00:34:37,946
Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, because that was always a concern with Rex

764
00:34:37,986 --> 00:34:40,066
Speaker 4: about was he just focused on the defense and it

765
00:34:40,106 --> 00:34:42,226
Speaker 4: worked for a little bit with Shoddy, But you need

766
00:34:42,226 --> 00:34:44,106
Speaker 4: a new offensive mine if you're going to go that route,

767
00:34:44,106 --> 00:34:45,426
Speaker 4: and you have to have a real.

768
00:34:45,466 --> 00:34:46,746
Speaker 6: Forward thinking plan.

769
00:34:48,146 --> 00:34:49,826
Speaker 4: And look, I mean, he's probably one of the five

770
00:34:49,866 --> 00:34:51,666
Speaker 4: or six most likely people to get the job, which

771
00:34:51,706 --> 00:34:55,906
Speaker 4: again feels inconceivable, but everything around this franchise feels inconceivable

772
00:34:55,906 --> 00:34:56,266
Speaker 4: at times.

773
00:34:56,306 --> 00:34:58,226
Speaker 6: So I think he's gonna get an interview and be

774
00:34:58,226 --> 00:34:58,626
Speaker 6: in the mix.

775
00:34:58,986 --> 00:35:00,866
Speaker 1: Okay, I got a few more names that will wrap this.

776
00:35:01,146 --> 00:35:03,066
Speaker 1: I actually love this exercise. It's good to get it

777
00:35:03,066 --> 00:35:05,586
Speaker 1: all out there, all right, Danny, I'll start with you

778
00:35:05,626 --> 00:35:08,586
Speaker 1: on this one coach with New York Ties, the pride

779
00:35:08,626 --> 00:35:12,266
Speaker 1: of Polly Prep in Brooklyn, and a guy who absolutely

780
00:35:12,306 --> 00:35:14,586
Speaker 1: despises the Miami Dolphins and a guy who also has

781
00:35:14,626 --> 00:35:19,066
Speaker 1: a legal bout going on with the NFL, Brian flores

782
00:35:19,146 --> 00:35:21,906
Speaker 1: Man a very few words, would he do anything for

783
00:35:21,986 --> 00:35:24,506
Speaker 1: you as far as moved the needle as a new

784
00:35:24,506 --> 00:35:25,866
Speaker 1: head coach of the New York Jets.

785
00:35:26,186 --> 00:35:28,386
Speaker 5: I would definitely say Flores is in the top five

786
00:35:28,506 --> 00:35:33,306
Speaker 5: on my interview list. He's a hard nosed, no nonsense,

787
00:35:34,346 --> 00:35:37,226
Speaker 5: you know, really strong defensive coach. He's done a great

788
00:35:37,266 --> 00:35:40,586
Speaker 5: job with the Vikings. I think he's also a culture builder.

789
00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:43,386
Speaker 5: But with him as well, you know who's he bringing

790
00:35:43,426 --> 00:35:46,906
Speaker 5: his offensive coordinator because he's not bringing Kevin O'Connell with them, right,

791
00:35:47,306 --> 00:35:51,106
Speaker 5: so you know that's going to be the key piece

792
00:35:51,146 --> 00:35:54,466
Speaker 5: with Flores is who's running the offense. But Brooklyn guy,

793
00:35:55,386 --> 00:35:58,906
Speaker 5: you know AFC East experience, did a decent job with

794
00:35:58,986 --> 00:35:59,546
Speaker 5: the Dolphins.

795
00:35:59,546 --> 00:36:02,506
Speaker 7: He you know, they made the playoffs with they.

796
00:36:02,226 --> 00:36:05,346
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't make the playoffs. They made it

797
00:36:05,346 --> 00:36:07,186
Speaker 1: with Gase, they didn't make it with and they just

798
00:36:07,266 --> 00:36:11,226
Speaker 1: missed out. Okay, But obviously going back in it, like

799
00:36:11,306 --> 00:36:13,466
Speaker 1: just for Floras and I'm not speaking on behalf of Brian,

800
00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:16,546
Speaker 1: but like he and Tua obviously had an issue and

801
00:36:16,586 --> 00:36:18,706
Speaker 1: he and Chris Career, so there was friction there, which

802
00:36:18,746 --> 00:36:20,146
Speaker 1: is never a good thing for your head coach.

803
00:36:20,186 --> 00:36:21,986
Speaker 2: They weren't on the same page. But he was not

804
00:36:22,026 --> 00:36:22,426
Speaker 2: a to a.

805
00:36:22,466 --> 00:36:25,906
Speaker 1: Guy from all tents from all the accounts afterwards, and

806
00:36:25,946 --> 00:36:27,866
Speaker 1: whether or not he's right or not is you know,

807
00:36:27,946 --> 00:36:29,106
Speaker 1: the jury's out on that.

808
00:36:29,186 --> 00:36:31,186
Speaker 2: But like he would have gone with FITZI I think

809
00:36:31,186 --> 00:36:32,986
Speaker 2: over Tua, he's.

810
00:36:32,786 --> 00:36:34,466
Speaker 5: Got to come with a GM that he has a

811
00:36:34,466 --> 00:36:36,666
Speaker 5: relationship with, that he can work with. But he's definitely

812
00:36:36,706 --> 00:36:38,106
Speaker 5: a guy the jet should be talking to.

813
00:36:38,866 --> 00:36:41,226
Speaker 1: Okay, Joe, what do you think of Flora's I like

814
00:36:41,306 --> 00:36:42,706
Speaker 1: Flora's a lot as a candidate.

815
00:36:42,866 --> 00:36:45,186
Speaker 4: I think he should be in the top like three ish.

816
00:36:45,266 --> 00:36:47,786
Speaker 4: I think from an energy and an attitude and a

817
00:36:47,826 --> 00:36:51,546
Speaker 4: toughness standpoint, they badly need that, especially on the defensive

818
00:36:51,546 --> 00:36:53,906
Speaker 4: side of the football. They are just so soft and

819
00:36:53,946 --> 00:36:56,506
Speaker 4: it's crazy watching a unit that was so good quickly

820
00:36:56,506 --> 00:36:59,386
Speaker 4: gets so bad. Who's the offensive coordinator? You know, I'll

821
00:36:59,386 --> 00:37:00,986
Speaker 4: get you high in the sky. Could he bring Josh

822
00:37:01,066 --> 00:37:04,226
Speaker 4: McCown this is offensive coordinator? About that?

823
00:37:04,426 --> 00:37:04,506
Speaker 5: Ye?

824
00:37:04,626 --> 00:37:07,106
Speaker 4: Could you include a trade for jj McCarthy in that

825
00:37:07,186 --> 00:37:09,706
Speaker 4: since the Vikings are going to roll with the now

826
00:37:09,826 --> 00:37:11,746
Speaker 4: you know, now we're piecing it all together to ride

827
00:37:11,786 --> 00:37:13,986
Speaker 4: the coattails of the Vikings. Like you gotta think a

828
00:37:14,026 --> 00:37:17,066
Speaker 4: little outside the box in a vacuum. I think Flora

829
00:37:17,146 --> 00:37:18,826
Speaker 4: is a strong candidate, and I think if they don't

830
00:37:18,826 --> 00:37:21,346
Speaker 4: get Rabel, I think you t hear a lot of

831
00:37:21,386 --> 00:37:23,546
Speaker 4: Jet fans being like, all right, I prefer him. I

832
00:37:23,626 --> 00:37:26,626
Speaker 4: prefer Cone, and you know, maybe we could get Carol.

833
00:37:26,666 --> 00:37:28,466
Speaker 4: But I hear Flora's his name come up a lot,

834
00:37:28,506 --> 00:37:30,066
Speaker 4: and I think he hates the Dolphins.

835
00:37:30,066 --> 00:37:31,706
Speaker 6: I think he might not have been wrong about Tua.

836
00:37:31,786 --> 00:37:33,706
Speaker 4: I think Jet fans will like that he's familiar with

837
00:37:33,706 --> 00:37:36,186
Speaker 4: the division, and you know, he won a decent amount

838
00:37:36,186 --> 00:37:37,706
Speaker 4: of games in a really hard situation.

839
00:37:38,146 --> 00:37:40,066
Speaker 6: So I don't mind him as a candidate at all.

840
00:37:40,386 --> 00:37:42,786
Speaker 1: Okay, some wild card names that I'm going to put

841
00:37:42,786 --> 00:37:45,786
Speaker 1: out there, Mike McCarthy if it doesn't work out in Dallas,

842
00:37:45,866 --> 00:37:48,266
Speaker 1: if he's a if he's either fired or he's like,

843
00:37:48,306 --> 00:37:51,666
Speaker 1: I want to entertain other options because my contracts expired, Joe,

844
00:37:51,706 --> 00:37:54,066
Speaker 1: would you be interested in meeting with Mike McCarthy as

845
00:37:54,106 --> 00:37:55,906
Speaker 1: the next head coach of the New York Jets.

846
00:37:56,506 --> 00:37:58,626
Speaker 4: It doesn't get me particularly excited. I think doesn't hurt

847
00:37:58,666 --> 00:37:59,786
Speaker 4: to meet with him. He's a guy who's had a

848
00:37:59,826 --> 00:38:02,106
Speaker 4: lot of success. Obviously there'll be a lot of well

849
00:38:02,186 --> 00:38:03,746
Speaker 4: Rodgers is going to come back now? I don't know

850
00:38:03,746 --> 00:38:05,666
Speaker 4: where the relationship sits at the moment. I'm assuming it's

851
00:38:05,666 --> 00:38:09,506
Speaker 4: pretty positive based on the latest documentaries, but I don't know.

852
00:38:09,746 --> 00:38:11,626
Speaker 4: It kind of feels like maybe the time has passed

853
00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:15,946
Speaker 4: him by, and I'm not particularly excited about it. Reasonable

854
00:38:15,986 --> 00:38:18,906
Speaker 4: from an interview perspective, but if they're end up hiring him,

855
00:38:19,186 --> 00:38:19,866
Speaker 4: I feel like there's not.

856
00:38:19,866 --> 00:38:21,546
Speaker 6: Going to be parades in the streets of forum talk

857
00:38:21,586 --> 00:38:21,986
Speaker 6: about it.

858
00:38:22,346 --> 00:38:24,826
Speaker 2: Danny, Mike McCarthy, what's your reaction.

859
00:38:25,346 --> 00:38:26,546
Speaker 7: With the talent he's had.

860
00:38:26,986 --> 00:38:30,026
Speaker 5: I think he's underachieved, hasn't shown up in a lot

861
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:33,506
Speaker 5: of big games. I think having Aaron Rodgers for all

862
00:38:33,586 --> 00:38:36,586
Speaker 5: those years probably should have more than one ring. And

863
00:38:37,346 --> 00:38:40,226
Speaker 5: you know, been a disappointment with the Cowboys as well.

864
00:38:40,466 --> 00:38:42,906
Speaker 5: Seems like they win a lot of games and then

865
00:38:42,906 --> 00:38:45,706
Speaker 5: when it comes to, you know, crunch time in the playoffs,

866
00:38:45,866 --> 00:38:49,426
Speaker 5: they underperform. So I'm going to pass on Mike all right.

867
00:38:49,506 --> 00:38:51,786
Speaker 1: Joe Cliff Kingsbury, former head coach, having a lot of

868
00:38:51,826 --> 00:38:52,906
Speaker 1: success with Jayden Daniels.

869
00:38:52,946 --> 00:38:54,106
Speaker 2: We haven't mentioned his name yet.

870
00:38:54,386 --> 00:38:56,026
Speaker 4: I think that'd be an interesting one. I know he's

871
00:38:56,066 --> 00:38:58,346
Speaker 4: been through the cycle and interviewed here before. Again, I

872
00:38:58,346 --> 00:39:01,226
Speaker 4: think people will be excited about an offensive mind. There's

873
00:39:01,226 --> 00:39:03,866
Speaker 4: always been some questions there that he kind of flame

874
00:39:03,906 --> 00:39:05,586
Speaker 4: out down the stretch. But was that more of a

875
00:39:05,626 --> 00:39:08,746
Speaker 4: Cardinals thing, Kyler thing than a him thing. I mean,

876
00:39:08,786 --> 00:39:10,146
Speaker 4: not at the top of the list, but someone I

877
00:39:10,146 --> 00:39:11,746
Speaker 4: think worth talking to, and you know he's going to

878
00:39:11,786 --> 00:39:14,506
Speaker 4: bring it innovative offense and with depending on who the

879
00:39:14,586 --> 00:39:17,506
Speaker 4: quarterback is and how you're designing an offense around him.

880
00:39:17,786 --> 00:39:20,066
Speaker 4: It's an interesting enough name. I'm curious if he would

881
00:39:20,426 --> 00:39:22,546
Speaker 4: go through the interview process again with the Jets, kind

882
00:39:22,546 --> 00:39:24,586
Speaker 4: of like a lot of Jet fans are excited about Munkin.

883
00:39:24,706 --> 00:39:26,466
Speaker 4: But is Monken gonna go do the whole song and

884
00:39:26,546 --> 00:39:28,226
Speaker 4: dance again after twenty nineteen.

885
00:39:28,586 --> 00:39:30,466
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, And I wonder if Kingsbury is in

886
00:39:30,506 --> 00:39:31,026
Speaker 6: the same boat.

887
00:39:32,106 --> 00:39:34,066
Speaker 2: Danny, what do you think Kingsbury has a name?

888
00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:36,306
Speaker 5: I like Cliff a lot. I think he's a great

889
00:39:36,306 --> 00:39:39,826
Speaker 5: offensive mine, great play caller. He's done a masterful job

890
00:39:39,826 --> 00:39:42,786
Speaker 5: of Gayden Daniels. I think we all see that. My

891
00:39:42,906 --> 00:39:46,506
Speaker 5: concern with Cliff and it's just just not knowing the guy.

892
00:39:46,586 --> 00:39:46,786
Speaker 6: Right.

893
00:39:47,186 --> 00:39:50,346
Speaker 5: Can he come in and be a CEO and change

894
00:39:50,386 --> 00:39:55,226
Speaker 5: the culture. If the answer to that is yes. Look,

895
00:39:55,826 --> 00:39:58,946
Speaker 5: he obviously can get the offense turned around, and he

896
00:39:58,986 --> 00:40:01,106
Speaker 5: can work with the rookie quarterback, and there's not many

897
00:40:01,146 --> 00:40:03,546
Speaker 5: guys out there that can coach the quarterback these days.

898
00:40:03,786 --> 00:40:07,026
Speaker 7: So you know, Cliff's definitely in the top tier.

899
00:40:07,506 --> 00:40:10,026
Speaker 5: Definitely want to talk to him, and I think with

900
00:40:10,106 --> 00:40:12,226
Speaker 5: his personality, he'd be a good fit for New York

901
00:40:12,226 --> 00:40:12,626
Speaker 5: as well.

902
00:40:12,946 --> 00:40:15,946
Speaker 1: Morning after Joe, The answer is Cliff Kingsbury Morning After.

903
00:40:16,026 --> 00:40:18,066
Speaker 1: The reaction by the New York Jets fan base that

904
00:40:18,106 --> 00:40:21,226
Speaker 1: you deal with is eh, is all right, It's kind

905
00:40:21,226 --> 00:40:23,066
Speaker 1: of it's kind of like I think.

906
00:40:23,506 --> 00:40:26,066
Speaker 4: I think it's like cautious optimists think he's like, all right,

907
00:40:26,146 --> 00:40:29,106
Speaker 4: let's be open minded. We'll look at everything he just

908
00:40:29,146 --> 00:40:31,546
Speaker 4: did with Daniels like. He's got the fun personality. I

909
00:40:31,546 --> 00:40:34,546
Speaker 4: think that could fit well handled the right way. How's

910
00:40:34,586 --> 00:40:36,906
Speaker 4: he building the rest of his staff? Again, I think

911
00:40:36,986 --> 00:40:39,226
Speaker 4: Jet fans, from what I've seen, if you trot out

912
00:40:39,466 --> 00:40:41,546
Speaker 4: a Matt Maggie, you trot out in Arthur Smith, you

913
00:40:41,586 --> 00:40:44,146
Speaker 4: trot out to Rivera. That's why I've seen Jet fans

914
00:40:44,146 --> 00:40:46,266
Speaker 4: of a very visceral, angry reaction. I don't think you

915
00:40:46,306 --> 00:40:47,946
Speaker 4: get that with Kingsbury. I think people will be open

916
00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:48,666
Speaker 4: minded about it.

917
00:40:48,986 --> 00:40:52,426
Speaker 1: A couple more start with you, Joe Aaron Glenn, former

918
00:40:52,506 --> 00:40:56,586
Speaker 1: Jets legend parcels Era has really paid his dues, but

919
00:40:56,626 --> 00:40:58,906
Speaker 1: that defense has been torched this year despite injury.

920
00:40:59,706 --> 00:41:01,826
Speaker 4: I mean, I like Glenn. He's gotten less popular in

921
00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:03,626
Speaker 4: the past month, which maybe isn't fair at him because

922
00:41:03,626 --> 00:41:05,386
Speaker 4: he's playing with a bunch of practice squad guys on

923
00:41:05,426 --> 00:41:08,586
Speaker 4: defense right now. I like that he's coming from such

924
00:41:08,626 --> 00:41:11,946
Speaker 4: a strong culture. He's learned under Dan Campbell. It's nice

925
00:41:11,946 --> 00:41:14,266
Speaker 4: that he's played here and was like a successful, like

926
00:41:14,346 --> 00:41:16,946
Speaker 4: overachieving guy. How much that translates to being a coach,

927
00:41:17,146 --> 00:41:19,906
Speaker 4: I don't know, but people will be very open minded

928
00:41:19,946 --> 00:41:22,146
Speaker 4: to giving him a chance because again, he's another guy

929
00:41:22,226 --> 00:41:26,066
Speaker 4: I think that will identify well with the organization. And

930
00:41:26,146 --> 00:41:28,186
Speaker 4: let's see how the defense looks to the playoffs. Can

931
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:30,426
Speaker 4: they If the Lions go in Super Bowl or get

932
00:41:30,426 --> 00:41:33,066
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl and the defense overachieves, I think

933
00:41:33,106 --> 00:41:35,946
Speaker 4: people will start talking themselves back into him. Who's the

934
00:41:35,946 --> 00:41:38,786
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, of course, will be a key question. I

935
00:41:38,826 --> 00:41:40,506
Speaker 4: think he'll definitely get an interview, and I think it's

936
00:41:40,546 --> 00:41:42,226
Speaker 4: either the Saints or the Jets.

937
00:41:42,266 --> 00:41:47,546
Speaker 6: Wherever he ends up being a head coach, Danny.

938
00:41:46,666 --> 00:41:49,346
Speaker 5: It just feels too similar to Salah Right, I got it,

939
00:41:49,466 --> 00:41:54,786
Speaker 5: you know, legit defensive coordinator on a winning team. Look,

940
00:41:55,346 --> 00:41:58,426
Speaker 5: they've done an amazing job changing the culture with the Lions,

941
00:41:58,546 --> 00:42:01,066
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, Glenn has a front row

942
00:42:01,146 --> 00:42:03,666
Speaker 5: seat to you know, what Dan Campbell has done, and

943
00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:04,146
Speaker 5: I'm sure.

944
00:42:03,986 --> 00:42:05,866
Speaker 7: He's been played a big part in it as well.

945
00:42:05,906 --> 00:42:08,706
Speaker 5: But it just feels too similar to Saul hiring the

946
00:42:08,706 --> 00:42:11,506
Speaker 5: hot defensive coordinator. I know he has, you know, the

947
00:42:11,546 --> 00:42:14,026
Speaker 5: history with the Jets, and I always liked Aaron Glenn,

948
00:42:14,026 --> 00:42:16,826
Speaker 5: but in the position that we're in, I think we

949
00:42:16,906 --> 00:42:18,106
Speaker 5: just need something a little different.

950
00:42:18,506 --> 00:42:20,586
Speaker 1: All Right, The next three names I'm just going to

951
00:42:20,666 --> 00:42:22,946
Speaker 1: throw together, and you guys tell me if any of

952
00:42:22,986 --> 00:42:29,466
Speaker 1: them do anything for you. Joe Brady, Okay, Helen Moore

953
00:42:30,866 --> 00:42:34,586
Speaker 1: and Wes Phillips, who is helping Kevin O'Connell with the

954
00:42:34,666 --> 00:42:36,906
Speaker 1: Vikings offense. Do any of those three names, and he's

955
00:42:36,906 --> 00:42:38,866
Speaker 1: also Wade Phillips's kid, Do any of those three names

956
00:42:38,866 --> 00:42:39,826
Speaker 1: do anything for you, guys.

957
00:42:40,426 --> 00:42:42,186
Speaker 4: Brady's kind of interesting. He's a guy I think the

958
00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:44,186
Speaker 4: Jets have spent some time looking at He's familiar with

959
00:42:44,186 --> 00:42:47,306
Speaker 4: the division. I think he's done really good work in Buffalo,

960
00:42:47,466 --> 00:42:50,146
Speaker 4: kind of like the He's got an interesting background. I

961
00:42:50,186 --> 00:42:52,346
Speaker 4: think he's a name that came up a decent amount,

962
00:42:52,426 --> 00:42:54,266
Speaker 4: especially compared to the other two you mentioned, and have

963
00:42:54,426 --> 00:42:57,426
Speaker 4: not really heard kicked around anywhere near as much.

964
00:42:57,466 --> 00:42:58,666
Speaker 6: And that doesn't mean they're.

965
00:42:58,466 --> 00:43:00,106
Speaker 4: Not going to get hired, because I don't think people

966
00:43:00,266 --> 00:43:02,786
Speaker 4: expected Gas to get hired when he got hired, you know,

967
00:43:02,826 --> 00:43:05,346
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. I think Brady of those three,

968
00:43:05,426 --> 00:43:06,586
Speaker 4: to me, is the most interesting.

969
00:43:07,586 --> 00:43:10,226
Speaker 2: Danny, Kellen Moore, West Phillips, Joe Brady.

970
00:43:10,226 --> 00:43:11,866
Speaker 1: I just put them all in because the three offensive

971
00:43:11,866 --> 00:43:13,986
Speaker 1: guys on three teams that are going to the playoffs.

972
00:43:14,226 --> 00:43:16,706
Speaker 5: I agree with Joe. Joe Brady is the top of

973
00:43:16,746 --> 00:43:20,026
Speaker 5: that list for me. You know, a few years back,

974
00:43:20,226 --> 00:43:22,426
Speaker 5: if you guys remember, he was, you know, hot, at

975
00:43:22,426 --> 00:43:25,066
Speaker 5: the top of at the top of you know, everybody,

976
00:43:25,066 --> 00:43:25,746
Speaker 5: the interview.

977
00:43:25,546 --> 00:43:26,986
Speaker 1: For the Carolina job, I think when he was twenty

978
00:43:27,066 --> 00:43:30,106
Speaker 1: nine years old. Any names that I have not mentioned

979
00:43:30,826 --> 00:43:32,426
Speaker 1: that intrigue you. I'm going to throw out a name

980
00:43:32,466 --> 00:43:35,186
Speaker 1: who's running the defensive backfield in Denver that I have

981
00:43:35,306 --> 00:43:37,306
Speaker 1: not gotten any traction with that I've mentioned a few

982
00:43:37,306 --> 00:43:41,586
Speaker 1: places Jim Leonard, the Old Jet is with Patrick Sartan

983
00:43:41,666 --> 00:43:43,546
Speaker 1: and with those guys, you want to talk about a cultural,

984
00:43:43,786 --> 00:43:45,946
Speaker 1: cultural guy. I remember when he's a player, and then

985
00:43:46,226 --> 00:43:48,186
Speaker 1: you hear about the Wisconsin years, and then I know

986
00:43:48,186 --> 00:43:50,226
Speaker 1: from Sean Payton that in Denver, like he's a real

987
00:43:50,346 --> 00:43:53,506
Speaker 1: voice there. That's my name as an absolute wild card

988
00:43:53,506 --> 00:43:56,306
Speaker 1: outside the box, like thought, Jim Leonard to come in

989
00:43:56,346 --> 00:43:58,906
Speaker 1: and you got your your bridge to the rex Era

990
00:43:59,146 --> 00:44:01,066
Speaker 1: and your bridge to the Jets, But you also have

991
00:44:01,106 --> 00:44:03,266
Speaker 1: a young coach that hasn't been talked about at all.

992
00:44:03,466 --> 00:44:05,866
Speaker 1: Is there any other names that you guys would like

993
00:44:05,866 --> 00:44:09,186
Speaker 1: to see at least interviewed that as fans and as

994
00:44:09,186 --> 00:44:10,826
Speaker 1: people who follow it kind of.

995
00:44:10,946 --> 00:44:12,026
Speaker 2: Move your need a little bit.

996
00:44:12,586 --> 00:44:14,786
Speaker 4: Leonard has some big fans in the bad Lands staff.

997
00:44:14,826 --> 00:44:16,666
Speaker 4: I will say that would be right outside the box.

998
00:44:16,706 --> 00:44:20,586
Speaker 4: I think the name recognition certainly wouldn't hurt him. Questions again,

999
00:44:20,666 --> 00:44:23,026
Speaker 4: who's calling the plays? Is he ready for that kind

1000
00:44:23,026 --> 00:44:25,586
Speaker 4: of role? Do you leap frog and give him McCown

1001
00:44:25,706 --> 00:44:27,826
Speaker 4: directly an interview as a head coach and skip and

1002
00:44:27,826 --> 00:44:29,946
Speaker 4: say you know what, he was maybe gonna get interviewed

1003
00:44:29,946 --> 00:44:31,746
Speaker 4: as a head coach a few years ago for Houston,

1004
00:44:31,986 --> 00:44:33,666
Speaker 4: and we're gonna just jump right ahead and we're gonna

1005
00:44:33,666 --> 00:44:36,106
Speaker 4: assume he learned enough from O'Connell and could be that

1006
00:44:36,146 --> 00:44:38,666
Speaker 4: guy for us. I know he's beloved by the Jets organization.

1007
00:44:39,106 --> 00:44:41,146
Speaker 4: So those are two other guys with former Jet ties

1008
00:44:41,186 --> 00:44:42,946
Speaker 4: that I think are interesting. It doesn't feel like there's

1009
00:44:42,946 --> 00:44:45,746
Speaker 4: any like names at the college level that anyone is

1010
00:44:45,746 --> 00:44:46,546
Speaker 4: talking about anymore.

1011
00:44:47,466 --> 00:44:51,706
Speaker 2: Matt Campbell's name, like it's almost the window pass now.

1012
00:44:51,906 --> 00:44:54,386
Speaker 4: Yeah, we spent a lot of time talking about Matt Campbell,

1013
00:44:54,386 --> 00:44:56,706
Speaker 4: but I feel like that windows kind of passed now,

1014
00:44:56,746 --> 00:44:59,026
Speaker 4: and it's just there's not like that college head coach

1015
00:44:59,106 --> 00:45:00,986
Speaker 4: that since they didn't get it on.

1016
00:45:00,946 --> 00:45:02,466
Speaker 6: Hardball, that they're going to go after it all.

1017
00:45:02,546 --> 00:45:05,666
Speaker 4: So Leonard and McCown a little more deeper cuts, but

1018
00:45:05,706 --> 00:45:06,746
Speaker 4: would be interesting.

1019
00:45:07,386 --> 00:45:12,226
Speaker 5: Danny, I'll throw one out there, Joe, what about Kirby Smart?

1020
00:45:12,426 --> 00:45:16,546
Speaker 5: And look, I think that's one percent chance of him

1021
00:45:16,586 --> 00:45:17,226
Speaker 5: even taking the.

1022
00:45:17,226 --> 00:45:20,306
Speaker 4: Nay, why not create some buzz I like it?

1023
00:45:20,386 --> 00:45:22,106
Speaker 5: Why not make the call. I mean, if there's one

1024
00:45:22,106 --> 00:45:23,546
Speaker 5: guy in college that I think could do it at

1025
00:45:23,586 --> 00:45:24,746
Speaker 5: the NFL level, it's him.

1026
00:45:25,586 --> 00:45:28,106
Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to wrap this because

1027
00:45:28,826 --> 00:45:31,906
Speaker 1: my advice to any any team that's in a situation

1028
00:45:31,946 --> 00:45:33,266
Speaker 1: like the Jets, and I think the Bears and the

1029
00:45:33,306 --> 00:45:37,706
Speaker 1: Saints are, it doesn't hurt to try to at least

1030
00:45:37,746 --> 00:45:39,386
Speaker 1: meet with these guys, and if they say no, there's

1031
00:45:39,386 --> 00:45:39,986
Speaker 1: no harm done.

1032
00:45:40,026 --> 00:45:41,306
Speaker 2: The fans do not spite you for that.

1033
00:45:41,786 --> 00:45:44,346
Speaker 1: But like if Adam Schefter tweeted out that the Jets

1034
00:45:44,346 --> 00:45:47,066
Speaker 1: have requested an opportunity to meet with Kirby Smart and

1035
00:45:47,146 --> 00:45:50,106
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart declined it and is going back to Georgia.

1036
00:45:49,626 --> 00:45:51,306
Speaker 2: I don't think a single Jets fan.

1037
00:45:51,146 --> 00:45:53,386
Speaker 1: Would be like, oh, what the hell are they doing

1038
00:45:53,386 --> 00:45:54,346
Speaker 1: talking to Kirby Smart.

1039
00:45:54,346 --> 00:45:55,346
Speaker 2: I actually liked that idea.

1040
00:45:55,386 --> 00:45:58,146
Speaker 1: And I had the news that the Bears were sniffing

1041
00:45:58,146 --> 00:45:59,306
Speaker 1: around on Marcus Freeman.

1042
00:45:59,466 --> 00:46:02,586
Speaker 2: I know that because it's true and Freeman got an extension.

1043
00:46:02,186 --> 00:46:02,626
Speaker 5: Of Notre Dame.

1044
00:46:02,706 --> 00:46:05,706
Speaker 1: Not because I'm my report, but he's a good coach

1045
00:46:05,706 --> 00:46:08,106
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. But it didn't hurt the Bears to

1046
00:46:08,146 --> 00:46:10,866
Speaker 1: have that out there. I think it actually was like, okay, cool,

1047
00:46:10,866 --> 00:46:11,706
Speaker 1: we're looking for something.

1048
00:46:12,306 --> 00:46:14,226
Speaker 4: I mean, look, Jet fans, I don't see any world

1049
00:46:14,226 --> 00:46:16,986
Speaker 4: they would complain about that. They want the organization to

1050
00:46:17,266 --> 00:46:19,706
Speaker 4: cast a wide net, to think outside the box, to

1051
00:46:19,866 --> 00:46:22,946
Speaker 4: try any and everything to fix this damn thing. And

1052
00:46:22,986 --> 00:46:25,666
Speaker 4: if what he's willing to throw around the kind of

1053
00:46:25,706 --> 00:46:27,466
Speaker 4: money that it would take to get him to leave,

1054
00:46:27,906 --> 00:46:30,346
Speaker 4: I don't think you'd see people complain about it. It certainly again,

1055
00:46:30,386 --> 00:46:32,746
Speaker 4: it's better than hiring some of the lower tier names.

1056
00:46:32,786 --> 00:46:35,746
Speaker 4: I would argue that we discussed where that would generate

1057
00:46:35,786 --> 00:46:37,786
Speaker 4: some buzz, and not in a bad way that you're

1058
00:46:37,866 --> 00:46:40,346
Speaker 4: rolling the dice, but all these guys really, probably outside

1059
00:46:40,346 --> 00:46:43,026
Speaker 4: of Rabel, you're rolling the dice to a pretty big extent.

1060
00:46:43,106 --> 00:46:44,906
Speaker 4: It's just you got to hope for the best and

1061
00:46:44,986 --> 00:46:47,546
Speaker 4: hope it finally clicks together with the head coach of

1062
00:46:47,586 --> 00:46:48,026
Speaker 4: the GM.

1063
00:46:48,506 --> 00:46:49,786
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna wrap with this.

1064
00:46:49,986 --> 00:46:50,346
Speaker 4: Danny.

1065
00:46:50,906 --> 00:46:53,706
Speaker 2: You are a long time season ticket holder with your family.

1066
00:46:53,826 --> 00:46:55,026
Speaker 2: You walked away this year.

1067
00:46:55,546 --> 00:46:58,746
Speaker 1: Your message to the Jets fans and the Jets organization

1068
00:46:58,866 --> 00:47:01,586
Speaker 1: as to why you finally said enough is enough.

1069
00:47:02,626 --> 00:47:05,426
Speaker 5: Look, I haven't felt this way since one in fifteen,

1070
00:47:05,706 --> 00:47:09,066
Speaker 5: So I'm just hoping that what he feels the same way.

1071
00:47:09,386 --> 00:47:12,066
Speaker 5: He's had enough, he's ready to swing big, bring in

1072
00:47:12,106 --> 00:47:14,506
Speaker 5: somebody that he's going to hand the keys to and say,

1073
00:47:14,586 --> 00:47:17,266
Speaker 5: let look, let me, let me stay out of the way,

1074
00:47:17,346 --> 00:47:20,066
Speaker 5: let the football guys do their thing, and bring you know,

1075
00:47:20,146 --> 00:47:23,426
Speaker 5: respectability back to the Jets. I'm hoping that's what can happen.

1076
00:47:23,786 --> 00:47:25,426
Speaker 5: You know, there's been a lot of bad you know

1077
00:47:25,546 --> 00:47:30,306
Speaker 5: press out there, articles about you know, teenagers running the show,

1078
00:47:30,466 --> 00:47:33,466
Speaker 5: Madden ratings and a lot of other nonsense, and hopefully

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00:47:33,586 --> 00:47:35,746
Speaker 5: this is a big wake up call and gets them

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00:47:35,786 --> 00:47:39,106
Speaker 5: to kind of rally around and say, you know, let's

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00:47:39,146 --> 00:47:41,826
Speaker 5: make the right hires here and you know, get on

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00:47:41,866 --> 00:47:43,746
Speaker 5: the road to respectability.

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Speaker 1: Joe, I wrap with you as one of the leading

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00:47:47,546 --> 00:47:50,346
Speaker 1: content creators with one of the number one podcasts on

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00:47:50,466 --> 00:47:55,106
Speaker 1: the Jets. Your message if say Jets ownership or Jets

1086
00:47:55,186 --> 00:47:57,946
Speaker 1: presidenter Jet's leadership is listening to this podcast over the

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00:47:58,026 --> 00:47:59,186
Speaker 1: New Year's weekend.

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00:47:59,826 --> 00:48:01,746
Speaker 6: Man like you got hearts and minds to win.

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00:48:01,866 --> 00:48:03,586
Speaker 4: This is as down as I've seen the fan base

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00:48:03,666 --> 00:48:07,186
Speaker 4: ever viscerally angry across the board. So you better be

1091
00:48:07,346 --> 00:48:11,826
Speaker 4: very proactive with your communications about how robust this search

1092
00:48:11,906 --> 00:48:14,066
Speaker 4: is going to be. You better be very proactive talking

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00:48:14,146 --> 00:48:17,026
Speaker 4: about structural changes that are going to happen to the

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00:48:17,106 --> 00:48:20,186
Speaker 4: organization that you're going to be a forward thinking org.

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00:48:20,266 --> 00:48:22,386
Speaker 4: You're going to staff up the front office. You're going

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00:48:22,466 --> 00:48:25,266
Speaker 4: to staff up analytics, You're going to staff up scouting.

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00:48:25,546 --> 00:48:27,586
Speaker 4: We are going to do this right and build it

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00:48:27,626 --> 00:48:31,306
Speaker 4: the right way. We are going to squash any questions

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00:48:31,386 --> 00:48:34,746
Speaker 4: or debates that were not apologize for how these last

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00:48:34,746 --> 00:48:37,946
Speaker 4: few years ago. Recognize that it's the longest drought in

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Speaker 4: American professional sports which exist, that insane fourteen years. And

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Speaker 4: let's get this new regime to have a mandate sooner

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00:48:45,866 --> 00:48:48,746
Speaker 4: rather than later to make the damn playoffs. And Joe

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00:48:48,826 --> 00:48:50,586
Speaker 4: Douglas and Robert Hollow were given a lot of time.

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00:48:50,626 --> 00:48:53,626
Speaker 4: They were given four years and six years, respectively. This

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00:48:53,986 --> 00:48:56,866
Speaker 4: fan base, more than any other fan base in any

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00:48:56,946 --> 00:48:59,866
Speaker 4: major sport, just needs a playoff appearance to get that

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00:48:59,946 --> 00:49:02,626
Speaker 4: monkey off their back and move forward from there. So

1109
00:49:03,066 --> 00:49:05,906
Speaker 4: let's have a little urgency. Let's not be raising the

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00:49:05,906 --> 00:49:07,986
Speaker 4: ticket price in the middle of the season at the

1111
00:49:08,026 --> 00:49:11,266
Speaker 4: worst possible time, and let's play some offense from a

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00:49:11,266 --> 00:49:14,826
Speaker 4: pr perspective instead of being reactive. And fans will be there.

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00:49:15,186 --> 00:49:17,066
Speaker 4: We'll always show up. We'll just be watching, even if

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00:49:17,106 --> 00:49:18,786
Speaker 4: we don't have season tickets. I don't have season tickets

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00:49:18,786 --> 00:49:21,266
Speaker 4: anymore either. But you know, I'll be watching that Miami

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00:49:21,266 --> 00:49:24,106
Speaker 4: game at four twenty five on Sunday seeing if we're

1117
00:49:24,106 --> 00:49:26,346
Speaker 4: gonna be picking third or ninth or whatever the hell

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00:49:26,426 --> 00:49:29,226
Speaker 4: is gonna happen. But man, this is as Matt as

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00:49:29,266 --> 00:49:30,826
Speaker 4: I've seen the fan base ever. And I get it.

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Speaker 5: Joe.

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00:49:31,346 --> 00:49:32,906
Speaker 1: I think you have a similar I think you have

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00:49:32,946 --> 00:49:35,706
Speaker 1: a similar brain as I do as far as memories

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00:49:35,706 --> 00:49:37,466
Speaker 1: of games are. I was listening to the podcast that

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00:49:37,506 --> 00:49:40,106
Speaker 1: you guys do, and you're like, you had your I

1125
00:49:40,146 --> 00:49:42,586
Speaker 1: guess your first your first child or your second child.

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00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:43,186
Speaker 2: You're like, I.

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00:49:43,186 --> 00:49:45,666
Speaker 1: Remember the game that was an hour later and it

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00:49:45,706 --> 00:49:46,626
Speaker 1: was what was that game?

1129
00:49:46,666 --> 00:49:48,026
Speaker 2: And I cause I think we've all been there where.

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00:49:48,066 --> 00:49:50,266
Speaker 1: It's like, that's how you kind of these life memories, Yes,

1131
00:49:50,346 --> 00:49:51,586
Speaker 1: apt in football memories.

1132
00:49:51,746 --> 00:49:53,986
Speaker 4: The first the first hour my kid's life is watching

1133
00:49:54,066 --> 00:49:56,506
Speaker 4: Darnold against the Dolphins throw a touchdown to Balal Pound. Now,

1134
00:49:56,546 --> 00:49:58,866
Speaker 4: unfortunately they lost that game and now he's a Jets

1135
00:49:58,906 --> 00:50:01,186
Speaker 4: fan already. My wife is furious about it, but they

1136
00:50:01,266 --> 00:50:02,746
Speaker 4: stuck and he's gonna have to deal with it for

1137
00:50:02,786 --> 00:50:04,786
Speaker 4: the rest of his life. And I was trying to

1138
00:50:04,826 --> 00:50:06,746
Speaker 4: explain to him because he's well do you want them

1139
00:50:06,786 --> 00:50:08,506
Speaker 4: to win today when we're watching the Buffalo game, Like,

1140
00:50:08,866 --> 00:50:10,266
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be mad if they win, but I'm

1141
00:50:10,266 --> 00:50:11,666
Speaker 4: also not gonna be mad if they lose because we

1142
00:50:11,666 --> 00:50:13,346
Speaker 4: need a better draft pick, and no six year old

1143
00:50:13,346 --> 00:50:14,866
Speaker 4: should have to wrap their head. I just want to

1144
00:50:14,866 --> 00:50:17,026
Speaker 4: win games and go to playoff games. Danny.

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00:50:17,066 --> 00:50:19,466
Speaker 1: You you've got two beautiful daughters that are under the

1146
00:50:19,466 --> 00:50:22,826
Speaker 1: age of eight, Like they're they're they're born into this.

1147
00:50:22,826 --> 00:50:25,386
Speaker 7: Right, this is why God gave me two daughters.

1148
00:50:25,426 --> 00:50:27,586
Speaker 5: So you know, I can't put a son through the

1149
00:50:27,586 --> 00:50:29,866
Speaker 5: pain that I've been through that.

1150
00:50:29,866 --> 00:50:32,186
Speaker 7: A lot of my friends are putting their kids through.

1151
00:50:34,826 --> 00:50:40,106
Speaker 5: You know, nobody should have to go through it like this.

1152
00:50:40,226 --> 00:50:41,866
Speaker 4: Is like a grieving paraphy.

1153
00:50:42,826 --> 00:50:45,506
Speaker 5: Look, you talk about memories and stuff like that. I mean,

1154
00:50:45,546 --> 00:50:48,546
Speaker 5: I remember banging the table for Ed Reid and you

1155
00:50:48,546 --> 00:50:51,546
Speaker 5: know tag Leabou I think it was at that time,

1156
00:50:51,586 --> 00:50:55,066
Speaker 5: going up to the podium and you know, saying the

1157
00:50:55,106 --> 00:50:58,306
Speaker 5: Jets have selected Brian Thomas, and you know how furious

1158
00:50:58,346 --> 00:50:58,666
Speaker 5: I was.

1159
00:50:58,746 --> 00:51:00,346
Speaker 7: So the stories are endless.

1160
00:51:01,426 --> 00:51:05,826
Speaker 5: You know, there's been a lot of disappointment, and you

1161
00:51:05,866 --> 00:51:08,706
Speaker 5: know it's time to time to finally get this right

1162
00:51:08,746 --> 00:51:12,506
Speaker 5: and build a long term winning organizations.

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00:51:12,866 --> 00:51:15,026
Speaker 1: You guys are the best. I so appreciate you doing this.

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00:51:15,146 --> 00:51:17,866
Speaker 1: Look it's December, like twenty twenty four. We're gonna turn

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00:51:17,906 --> 00:51:19,626
Speaker 1: the page. Twenty twenty five is the new year.

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00:51:19,906 --> 00:51:21,586
Speaker 2: As you guys know, I went on.

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00:51:21,586 --> 00:51:23,586
Speaker 1: National television and said that the Jets are gonna be

1168
00:51:23,626 --> 00:51:25,386
Speaker 1: the one seed in the AFC and Rogers's.

1169
00:51:25,066 --> 00:51:27,026
Speaker 2: Gonna be the MVP. I have done a lot of

1170
00:51:27,026 --> 00:51:28,426
Speaker 2: great things, a lot of butter things.

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00:51:28,506 --> 00:51:31,026
Speaker 1: I never have even in a million years, imagine the

1172
00:51:31,026 --> 00:51:33,306
Speaker 1: amount of I would take. I can't walk down the

1173
00:51:33,346 --> 00:51:35,546
Speaker 1: street in New York without someone saying nice Jets pick

1174
00:51:36,146 --> 00:51:37,066
Speaker 1: so like, I'm in it.

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00:51:37,106 --> 00:51:39,466
Speaker 2: With you, guys, I really am this year. I'm with you.

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00:51:40,786 --> 00:51:42,506
Speaker 4: We need this season to be over it. It's time.

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00:51:42,666 --> 00:51:44,506
Speaker 4: I am ready. Not that we're not always ready for

1178
00:51:44,546 --> 00:51:46,786
Speaker 4: the off season, but I am really ready for the

1179
00:51:46,826 --> 00:51:49,866
Speaker 4: off season to hit. And it's got to end.

1180
00:51:49,786 --> 00:51:50,186
Speaker 6: At some point.

1181
00:51:50,266 --> 00:51:52,226
Speaker 4: The playoff dround has to end at some point. I

1182
00:51:52,266 --> 00:51:54,666
Speaker 4: look at Buffalo, I look at Detroit. They were a

1183
00:51:54,706 --> 00:51:57,146
Speaker 4: mess for a very very long time, and I hold

1184
00:51:57,186 --> 00:51:59,506
Speaker 4: on to that has some hope in the future. NIXT

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00:51:59,546 --> 00:52:01,586
Speaker 4: to next for a disaster for a while and We're

1186
00:52:01,586 --> 00:52:02,106
Speaker 4: good now, so.

1187
00:52:02,146 --> 00:52:04,786
Speaker 2: Let's see Danny closing statements and then we'll get out

1188
00:52:04,826 --> 00:52:05,106
Speaker 2: of here.

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00:52:06,466 --> 00:52:08,626
Speaker 5: Show you brought the next look what they did, right,

1190
00:52:09,026 --> 00:52:11,746
Speaker 5: you know, they brought in somebody with a lot of

1191
00:52:11,786 --> 00:52:14,426
Speaker 5: experience and knowledge to run the organization and we see

1192
00:52:14,466 --> 00:52:17,826
Speaker 5: the results. So Woody, Christopher hie me, you know, look

1193
00:52:17,866 --> 00:52:19,826
Speaker 5: to them as a case study and you know, let's

1194
00:52:19,826 --> 00:52:20,346
Speaker 5: do the same.

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00:52:21,506 --> 00:52:24,866
Speaker 1: Guys, Happy New Years. I appreciate both of you. Joe Caparosa,

1196
00:52:24,906 --> 00:52:27,226
Speaker 1: you can find them on the bad Lands podcast.

1197
00:52:27,666 --> 00:52:28,386
Speaker 2: Very good listen.

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00:52:28,706 --> 00:52:31,666
Speaker 1: Not just Jets focused, all football focused, but they really

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00:52:31,746 --> 00:52:32,906
Speaker 1: they got the heart of the Jets fan.

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00:52:33,346 --> 00:52:35,186
Speaker 2: And Danny, do you want to promote anything?

1201
00:52:35,186 --> 00:52:36,986
Speaker 1: I know you don't have a blog or a podcast,

1202
00:52:37,026 --> 00:52:39,386
Speaker 1: but you could. You could promote our text chain. You

1203
00:52:39,386 --> 00:52:42,066
Speaker 1: can promote our our weekly padel games.

1204
00:52:42,066 --> 00:52:42,706
Speaker 2: Whatever you want.

1205
00:52:43,946 --> 00:52:47,066
Speaker 5: Yeah, paddle House, Dumbo shout out. You know it's our

1206
00:52:47,066 --> 00:52:49,306
Speaker 5: weekly spot. You know. I'm sure you guys have heard

1207
00:52:49,306 --> 00:52:53,026
Speaker 5: a lot about paddle from Peter. You know, great sport.

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00:52:53,266 --> 00:52:55,426
Speaker 5: And uh, we'll see you in the new year.

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00:52:55,586 --> 00:52:57,026
Speaker 2: In there, all right, boys, thank you?

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00:53:02,986 --> 00:53:03,306
Speaker 4: All right.

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00:53:03,346 --> 00:53:04,466
Speaker 2: I love those two guys.

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00:53:05,666 --> 00:53:07,106
Speaker 1: They didn't know each other are going in but I

1213
00:53:07,106 --> 00:53:10,026
Speaker 1: thought that's a really good like brainstorming session.

1214
00:53:10,066 --> 00:53:12,026
Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe you don't care about the

1215
00:53:12,106 --> 00:53:12,826
Speaker 2: Jet's coaching job.

1216
00:53:12,866 --> 00:53:15,706
Speaker 1: I think it's a huge, huge story over the next

1217
00:53:15,746 --> 00:53:19,386
Speaker 1: few weeks because it determines Rogers's future and also a

1218
00:53:19,386 --> 00:53:22,266
Speaker 1: lot of dominoes will fall. But I have no idea

1219
00:53:22,266 --> 00:53:24,186
Speaker 1: who that job is going to, but good luck to

1220
00:53:24,186 --> 00:53:26,746
Speaker 1: whoever it does, and that includes the general manager role.

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Speaker 5: The season with.

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Speaker 1: Peter Schrager is presented by delivering Results, which is presented

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Speaker 1: by uber eats. And it's time for us to give

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Speaker 1: the award for the delivering results, which is presented by

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Speaker 1: uber Eats, and it goes to a player who really

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00:53:41,106 --> 00:53:43,746
Speaker 1: was outstanding over the weekend, and that's Jaden Daniels, the

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00:53:43,826 --> 00:53:46,386
Speaker 1: rookie from Washington. I could have done a whole podcast

1228
00:53:46,426 --> 00:53:48,586
Speaker 1: on what the Commanders have done. They just won their

1229
00:53:48,586 --> 00:53:52,066
Speaker 1: eleventh game for the first time since nineteen ninety one.

1230
00:53:52,746 --> 00:53:57,826
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels had five touchdowns on Sunday. Jaden Daniels had,

1231
00:53:58,226 --> 00:54:01,826
Speaker 1: of course the one hundred and I think sixty seven

1232
00:54:01,906 --> 00:54:04,666
Speaker 1: rushing yards on Sunday. The guys putting up huge numbers

1233
00:54:04,666 --> 00:54:06,666
Speaker 1: as a rookie and he's doing it for a friend.

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00:54:06,786 --> 00:54:07,946
Speaker 2: That has never needed it more.

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00:54:08,106 --> 00:54:10,506
Speaker 1: If Jets fans listen to that whole podcast and A're wondering,

1236
00:54:10,506 --> 00:54:11,986
Speaker 1: how in the world do we get out of this rut?

1237
00:54:12,106 --> 00:54:15,706
Speaker 1: Getting at Jaden Daniels helps and Jaden was outstanding. That

1238
00:54:15,906 --> 00:54:18,746
Speaker 1: was delivering results presented by Uber Ees, where you can

1239
00:54:18,786 --> 00:54:21,066
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00:54:24,026 --> 00:54:24,226
Speaker 5: Order.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to thank all of you for listening

1243
00:54:27,306 --> 00:54:29,306
Speaker 1: all this season. It's been a great one. Aaron wan

1244
00:54:29,386 --> 00:54:33,506
Speaker 1: Kaufman amazing producer and great friend and co host when

1245
00:54:33,626 --> 00:54:36,466
Speaker 1: needed popping in. He's behind the mic today or he's

1246
00:54:36,506 --> 00:54:39,426
Speaker 1: behind the scenes today, but I always appreciate Aaron's work.

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00:54:39,506 --> 00:54:40,626
Speaker 2: Jason English, who.

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00:54:40,426 --> 00:54:42,026
Speaker 1: I think is as good of an executive at any

1249
00:54:42,026 --> 00:54:45,426
Speaker 1: of these media companies. He's out of iHeart and shows

1250
00:54:45,426 --> 00:54:48,146
Speaker 1: his face. He's present and he's always aware of what's

1251
00:54:48,186 --> 00:54:49,866
Speaker 1: going on. And thank you to the NFL for the

1252
00:54:49,906 --> 00:54:52,666
Speaker 1: opportunity to this podcast with them. We have a playoffs,

1253
00:54:52,706 --> 00:54:54,346
Speaker 1: we have a super Bowl, and then we'll see from

1254
00:54:54,346 --> 00:54:55,386
Speaker 1: there as we head.

1255
00:54:55,186 --> 00:54:57,226
Speaker 2: Into draft time. But the next few weeks.

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00:54:57,426 --> 00:54:59,546
Speaker 1: I know what you're listening for. You want coaching gossip.

1257
00:54:59,626 --> 00:55:01,106
Speaker 1: You want news around the league, We'll try to give

1258
00:55:01,146 --> 00:55:03,266
Speaker 1: you the best of it. Thanks for listening, everybody. Enjoy

1259
00:55:03,266 --> 00:55:05,666
Speaker 1: your New Year's and Happy New Years if you turn

1260
00:55:05,746 --> 00:55:07,106
Speaker 1: this on on Thursday or.

1261
00:55:07,066 --> 00:55:07,626
Speaker 2: Over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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