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Speaker 1: Ye sure, it's time Hell and Lower. Hello, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Naughty but Nice Show. I'm your host, Rob Shooter,

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Speaker 1: and it is Thursday, which means our dear friend Mark

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Speaker 1: Looper joins us. Hey, Loopy, are you there?

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Speaker 2: Luis?

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Speaker 1: You make me smile. Mark. We've become such good friends

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Speaker 1: over the years. We were always friendly, and then we

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Speaker 1: started doing the show together. I think the turning point

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Speaker 1: was when you started to work at Okay Magazine.

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Speaker 3: It was, you know, you helped me get into the

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Speaker 3: world of magazines, which I'll always appreciate. And yeah, we've

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Speaker 3: become great friends. And doing this every week is a

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Speaker 3: lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I like it. I look forward to I love the naughties.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, noughties. I love doing this show

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Speaker 1: every day. But I love seeing you on a Thursday too.

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Speaker 1: I just it makes me sort of a bit giddy.

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Speaker 1: I was up this morning and I was going over

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Speaker 1: the stories and then I was like, oh, I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to talk about it. I can see what that

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Speaker 1: little devil thinks. You make me nicer.

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Speaker 3: I mean you are listen, you have a naughty side,

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Speaker 3: but I like to see your nice side as well.

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Speaker 1: The little secret here I can tell it because we're

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Speaker 1: all friends. I think you might be naughtier than me,

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Speaker 1: but you're more restrained than you can keep it in

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Speaker 2: You can't help yourself.

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Speaker 3: But I am a bit more discreet.

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Speaker 1: You're more discreet. You're more discreet. If there was a

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Speaker 1: I would jump right in. I couldn't resist it. I'd

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Speaker 1: be there for like two seconds. You could sit there

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Speaker 3: Which is why that makes me laugh. You are it's

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Speaker 3: just you are who you are, and I just look.

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Speaker 1: I can't help it. I can't have it. People are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: don't say that, Robert, don't poke them out. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's the truth. It's always the truth. Like we have

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Speaker 1: friends and people we work with on TV who are

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Speaker 1: real chopon is and you can just be very cool

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Speaker 1: about it. You can turn the other the cheek. I

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Speaker 1: can't help myself. I'm like that fool, doesn't know what

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Speaker 2: It's so good, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's jump in show. What time is it? My phones?

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Speaker 1: It is tea time big story at the top of show,

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Speaker 1: this really is a big story. So Taylor Swift and

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Speaker 1: even Hugh Jackman look like they're going to be subpoenas

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Speaker 1: maybe this week or next in the Justin bell Donie

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Speaker 1: and Blake Lively lawsuits. The sources are telling me the

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Speaker 1: two A listers are going to be formally supoenaed very

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Speaker 1: very soon in the explosive war between Blake and Justin

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Speaker 1: bell Doni. It could happen at any moment. Now. Supinas

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Speaker 1: are really really important here because when you get a subpoena,

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Speaker 1: you're not talking to a member of the press, You're

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Speaker 1: not gossiping with a friend. This is illegal documents. You've

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Speaker 1: got to tell the truth. And if they're told to

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Speaker 1: hand over their cell phone records, their text records, they

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Speaker 1: have to do it. Mark They could potentially go to

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Speaker 1: to get a subpoena and everything is going to come out.

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Speaker 1: Every naughty little joke, every sassy little email, and we

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Speaker 1: all do it. If I went through your phone, I

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Speaker 1: that we're a little bit sensitive. I make naughty jokes

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Speaker 1: sometimes that isn't who I am necessarily, but we've all

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Speaker 1: really not happy about this. This is a mess. She's

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Speaker 1: not a messy person. Neither's Hugh Jackman. If the truth

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Speaker 1: be told, she is not really as intimate in this story.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think we're going to find out a

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Speaker 1: lot from Hugh. But Taylor and Blake were bests. It's

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Speaker 1: like you and me gossip in Mark. We've sent each

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Speaker 1: other naughty pictures of celebrities. I mean we have that

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Speaker 1: of Ray Five's recently, and the first person I sent

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Speaker 1: it to Mark was you. Yes here. I do understand

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Speaker 1: Taylor being upset. This is such a mess, and now

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Speaker 1: not her jam. She doesn't like messy. Her whole life

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, we look at Taylor like girl

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Speaker 3: if I wear Taylor, I would just be pissed altogether.

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Speaker 3: Why am I involved in this? Why are you dragging

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Speaker 3: into this? You should have settled this. This is so messy.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine this is going to really change their

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Speaker 1: Well, it isn't. These two are not as close as

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Speaker 1: they used to be. We've seen no support on social media.

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Speaker 1: They just didn't know the answer. But I asked, would

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Speaker 1: Blake just settle this to help her friends? At this point,

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Speaker 1: it's not about Blake. It's bigger than Blake. You're dragging

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Speaker 1: in other people, and isn't it now worth settling just

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Speaker 1: to protect Taylor, to protect you, to protect all these

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Speaker 1: to fix this. And if winning is worth dragging me

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Speaker 1: because you're going to lose a really good friend. It

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Speaker 1: feels now as if these two camps, Justin and Blake,

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Speaker 1: I can just end this. I don't have to be

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Speaker 1: And that's what Blake is here. I don't think Blake

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Speaker 1: first one that initiated legal action, and that's what blew

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth thinking about when other people are

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Speaker 1: hurt as clatteral damage, is it still worth it? Is

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Speaker 1: this worth it? If I was in a lawsuit market

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Speaker 1: the process, why wouldn't I settle that? Why wouldn't I

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I suspect that's a speculation, but I

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Speaker 3: suspect that Ryan Reynolds was really the master behind that's

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Speaker 3: You know, these people are less and smart, these celebrities

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Speaker 3: powered attorneys like you know, Justin Baldoni has, they are

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Speaker 2: They're going to fight this. And I think they are.

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Speaker 3: So deep in this now that if they do settle,

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna envolve for them.

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Speaker 3: It's just sad.

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Speaker 1: It's not yeah either way. Now it's just so so ugly.

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Speaker 1: You get like that sometimes, don't you, With little wars

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Speaker 1: in your own life, you get to the point of

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Speaker 1: just then just stop digging, stop digging. People can't do it. Mark,

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Speaker 1: And I think you're right here. There's an arrogance of

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Speaker 1: celebrity that Blake has that Ryan certainly has. We know

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Speaker 1: stories about Ryan. Ryan thinks he's smarter than anybody in

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Speaker 1: whole question of the day. Taylor Swift could be Supena

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Speaker 1: this week or next in the Blake Lively legal drama.

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Speaker 1: Will these two ever be friends again? What do you think? Hey?

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Speaker 1: Go vote on our Twitter page at Naughty Nice Rob.

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Speaker 1: A facebook page is Nordy gofub Michella to check back

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Speaker 1: down mat Rauta. Here your results? Hey, Loopy? What are

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: So Lizzo is shutting down o zeppik rumors. She revealed

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Speaker 3: that she dropped sixteen percent of her body for Wow,

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Speaker 3: the old fashioned man.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's very impressive.

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Speaker 3: So lizob was just done with the ozempic chatter and

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Speaker 3: she's breaking down exactly how she achieved this amazing transformation,

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Speaker 3: as you say. Grammy winning singer to the Instagram Lab

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Speaker 3: this week to share the specifics of her health journey. Really,

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Speaker 3: she asked sixteen percent of her body fat and drops

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Speaker 3: her B and I over ten percent, all.

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Speaker 2: Without win loss drugs.

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Speaker 3: She said, counting calories is the only thing that has worked.

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Speaker 3: I had to stop kidding myself, Rob. She went on

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Speaker 3: to say that she reached her week lass goal in

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Speaker 3: January and has kept it off with changes to her routine,

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Speaker 3: including ditching sugaren morning drinks and choosing a savory breakfast.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, m I want everybody to find

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Speaker 1: their own happiness and their own solution here. I don't

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Speaker 1: want anyone to be fat chained. And this is the

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Speaker 1: tricky part for Liza with me, is that she spent

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Speaker 1: so long being really happy about who she was, and

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Speaker 1: now a question was that ever really true? Adele did

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Speaker 1: the same thing too, Remember with Dell, was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: never going to change, I'm never going to go Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to get skinny Minnie, and then boom

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Speaker 1: she does also too. I think it's only fair to

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Speaker 1: be a little skeptical here. I'm not calling her a liar,

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Speaker 1: but I spoke to some of her friends and they said,

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Speaker 1: it's just a coincidence that while all these weight loss

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Speaker 1: drugs were release, that's the time that she lost the weight, Like,

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Speaker 1: she didn't do this five years ago before the drugs,

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Speaker 1: And so I want to believe her. We should believe

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Speaker 3: I think it's you know, this is is very cute,

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Speaker 3: So, Kate Middleton and Prince William work their youngest child's

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