1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. I'm Kitty Kuric, and this is next question. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: It's not often I get to talk to Speaker of 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: the House, Nancy Pelosi in the library of my New 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: York apartment, So I can't tell you how appreciative I am, 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Madam Speaker, that you made the time to come and 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: talk to me about your new book, Measure and a 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: book in your library I know, and it's called The 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Art of Power, my story. As America's first woman Speaker 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: of the House. You have had such a fascinating life, 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: as you say, going from housewife to house member to 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: House speaker. But that's not really the story you chose 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: to tell in this book, is it. 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: Well, that is another book, and it is. This book 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: is about a decision I made years ago that I 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: wanted to write about at least four decisions or rooms 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: where it happened, whether domestically Affordable Care Act and the TARP, 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: the Wall Street meltdown, and globally the war in Iraq, 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: which I opposed, and our relationship with China. Just telling 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 2: the story as I saw it. But that was a 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: while ago. I couldn't write it until I was no 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: longer Speaker because I don't have the time. So when 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: I did, then it was like, well, you have to 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: say something about Trump, and you have to say something 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: about January sixth, and you have to say something about 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: what happened to your husband. So it has some more 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: current things there, but the point was to write about 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: what happened in those four important decisions for our country. 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: There's another book. This is not a memoir. There's another 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: book that'll talk about some things that have happened around 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: now and again with more personalities, and that this is 31 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: more policy policy. It is a lot about making these 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: critical decisions, the role of leader, the use of power. 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: And I know that you write that your friend Louisiana 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: Congresswoman Lyndy Boggs told you early on in your political career, 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: know thy power and use it. How hard was it 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: as a woman, because you're such a pioneer to actually 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: embrace that power and use it? Was that something you 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: had to really learn how to do. No, it's something 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: I had to decide to do. It was I keep 40 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: saying when you reach When I became speaker, I knew 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: I had to do the job in a very particular 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: way in terms of the use of power, the diversity 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: that I wanted to bring to it, not just me, 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: but so many other people the understanding I wanted people 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: to have about power being from consensus, come from listening, 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 2: from respect, not from above, but from the people that 47 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: have to make the votes for it, And so you 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: build them as much consensus as possible, not recognizing that 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: you're not always going to have unanimity. 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: How hard was that though, for you as a woman, 51 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: as a young woman, as someone who was in the minority, 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: who wasn't being taken as seriously, perhaps as you think 53 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: you should have been, and as you should have been. 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's that other people's problem. 55 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: That's not my problem. 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: You don't take me seriously, that's to your peril, because 57 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: we're here to get a job done. When I first 58 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: went to Congress, there were twenty three women out of 59 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: four hundred and thirty five members. 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Is that appalling? 61 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: And so I immediately knew that we had to make 62 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: a change, and that made a decision to elect more women, 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: more democratic women, of course, but more women to Congress. 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: We now have ninety four when from twelve to ninety four. 65 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: Still want more, but the republics have gone from eleven 66 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: to thirty something, which is good. But they still need 67 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: more as well. But so it wasn't when I say 68 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: there were twenty three it was a novelty. It was 69 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: a novelty. 70 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't. 71 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: It was a rarity too, And so people didn't men 72 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: didn't feel so threatened by that. Then as our numbers 73 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: grew and grew, they wondered. 74 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: And what's going on here? What's going on here? 75 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: And if we ever wore the same color one day 76 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: and solidarity for whatever diagnosis there was or whatever was 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: going on, they'd be like, what are they up to now? 78 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: Or if we other gathered in their well just to 79 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: share a thought, what are they up to now? And 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: then when I ran for leadership, it was poor babies 81 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: who said she could run. 82 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: You write about that, and it was so frustrating you 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: say that a lot of the men really tried to 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: diminish you and your skills and insist on a pecking 85 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: order and a timeline, like wait your turn, little lady. 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: But you had a great response to them, didn't you. 87 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: Well, they said, you know, some of our people, I've 88 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: been waiting a long time for a physician to open up. 89 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: And I said, well, wait a minute, we've been waiting 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: over two hundred years, So don't talk to us about 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: a timeline. But I I said to them, don't vote 92 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: for me because I'm a woman, but don't vote against 93 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: me because I'm a woman. I wasn't putting myself out there. 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: We need a woman in leadership. I wanted to win. 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: I wanted to prevail for the Democrats. I thought that 96 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: was really important. I take great pride in being a Democrat. 97 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: And we were losing each election ninety four, ninety six, 98 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: ninety eight. So in two thousand I asserted myself politically, 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: and in California that night we went from twenty six 100 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: Democrats and twenty six Republicans to thirty one Democrats twenty 101 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: one Republicans, and then they started to take notes. But 102 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: I didn't get elected Speaker because of anything other than 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: the fact that I won the majority. And that was 104 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 2: That's how you got a speaker, you win the majority. 105 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: I asked a friend of mine what he would like 106 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: to ask you, Speaker Pelosi, and he said, please ask 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: her why she never ran for Presido. And so Ralph Esposito, 108 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: my friend, this question is for you. Why haven't you 109 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: or why didn't you? Well, first of all, I came 110 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: to Congress. I ran the first time when I was 111 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: forty six years old. That's down the path politically. I hey, 112 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: I'm a legislator. I loved legislating, and being Speaker of 113 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: the House is the second most important position. I mean, 114 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: this vice president is person in line to become president. 115 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: But in terms of power, the awesome power of the 116 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: speakership is, in my view, on a par not all 117 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: a part with the president. He has other responsibilities. But 118 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: for what I cared about, making a difference in people's 119 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: lives through legislation and the use of power to do 120 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: so is about again respect, listening, learning from members, building consensus. 121 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: It's hard because you're talking about policy and you with it. 122 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: You have to have a vision as to what your 123 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: goal is. You have to have a knowledge of the 124 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: issues and judgment about how to prioritize. You have to 125 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: have strategy as to how you're going to bring people together. 126 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: And that's a big undertaking, and so you don't have 127 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: time to think about any other office but the one 128 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: you're in. For the first time. In this book, you 129 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: talk extensively about the brutal attack on your husband, Paul. 130 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: It's been almost two years. I can only imagine how 131 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: horrifying that was. 132 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 2: It was horrifying, and it continues to be. We're hoping 133 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: about the time it is two years, the end of October, 134 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: that pop we call them pop will be more fully covered. 135 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: He's on his way, he's about eighty percent. No, it 136 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: was beyond shocking that someone would come into our home 137 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: and seek me out, not find me, but assault my 138 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: husband in that way, and really a centimeter, as the 139 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: doctor said on trial, from his being a fatal attacking 140 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: his brain. But it is it's not to enlarge the issue. 141 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: It's not just about us. It's about the exposure that 142 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: anyone in the political arena has if you speak out, 143 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: and the rest, and we have to turn that down 144 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 2: in terms of what that man was saying when he 145 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: was going through our house and the rest and what 146 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: was said, it's very similar to what was said on 147 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: January sixth, what was going through the House of Representatives 148 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: in the United States, Senate. 149 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the political climate 150 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: in a moment, but I saw your husband at the 151 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: kend Center Honors shortly, not too long after this had happened, 152 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: and he had a bandage on his head, and I 153 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: believe he was wearing a fedora, and he was in 154 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: good spirits. That was an unusual thing. 155 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: In other words, he does still go to some things, 156 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: but he has to prioritize and not stay too long. 157 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: But he loves the Kennedy Center Honors. He was able 158 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: to go that year, but not the next year. So 159 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: how is he doing? You said, eighty percent? What are 160 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: some of the challenges he still facing? 161 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: Me one who has any kind of a brain traumatic 162 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: brain injury, right, and. 163 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: It's concussion and all that kind of thing. It's about 164 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: having dizzney spells, which means you can fall and have 165 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: other injuries. It's about being again fainting with the Disney spells. 166 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: Things like that. If we go to an event now, 167 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: even in a friend's home, pretty soon after a few minutes, 168 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: he'll be sitting down, not stand up a long time. 169 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: You know. 170 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: So and that's all doable, No, you know, people are 171 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: suffering so many worse things. 172 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: And still it's so unnecessary and so infuriating that this 173 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: happened to him. 174 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: Well in our own home, which is to make our 175 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: home a crime scene, to come through, break in, find 176 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: his way into the bed, our bedroom. Imagine where's Nancy, 177 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: Where's Nancy and that. And what was really sad about it, Katie, 178 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: was that people on the other side of the eye 179 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: were making a joke of it. And you wonder, what 180 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: is it about these people that they think it's funny 181 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: that someone is assaulted in that way, and not only someone, 182 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: but our system is assaulted. Other families are fearing, why 183 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: should I go into this if this is one of 184 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 2: the consequence could be one of the consequences. They made 185 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: jokes of it, people laughed, They got all this feedback 186 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: on the social media, and that's just not right for 187 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: our country. How do you explain that? It was so infuriating? 188 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: You know, after President Trump's failed assassination attempt, you condemn 189 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: political violence and no uncertain terms, and. 190 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: I thought he survived, Oh my god. And after this 191 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: happened to your husband, people were making jokes. They were 192 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: mischaracterizing this situation, lying, yes, lying about the situation, including 193 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: the president's own son and high ranking people. I mean, 194 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: it's just gross, isn't it. It's gross? 195 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: But you have to remember this is follows the context 196 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: of the current former president, current candidate for president again, 197 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: I don't like using his name, saying to the mobs 198 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: in his events. If you beat up the press, don't 199 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: worry about it. I'll pay for your lawyers. I'll pay 200 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: your legal fees. Well, what is that, If you beat 201 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: up the press, I will pay your legal fees. We're 202 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: talking about freedom of the press, which is the guardian 203 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,479 Speaker 2: of our democracy, of our freedom, of all of the 204 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: First Amendment rights. You know, the press is about transparency 205 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: and the rest. So I consider it the most important 206 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: of them. And if you beat them up, I will 207 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: pay your legal fees. And then we saw what happened 208 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: in Charlottesville, with all the violence that happened there. Oh, 209 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: there are good people on both sides of that. The 210 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: President's the then president said, and of course culminating on 211 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: January sixth. January sixth, an insurrection incited by the President 212 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: of the United States. It was horrible, and now he 213 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: tries to distance himself from it. But he refused to 214 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: send the National Guard, his Secretary of Defense, Secretary of 215 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: the Army, that's the chain of command for that. They 216 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: refused to send it. And now they're lying about it too. 217 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: But it's really a sad situation. Let's know, you'se even 218 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: talking about. All we have to do is win the election. 219 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: And hope that the Republicans will take back their party. 220 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: It's really turned into a cult to a thug in 221 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: my view, and this is more of a situation where 222 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: the Grand Old Party did great things for our country, 223 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: provided great leaders in our country, and whether we disagreed 224 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: on some policy matters, we're all patriots and respected each 225 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: other in that way. That's not the case with this guy. 226 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: So if they would take back their party, it's up 227 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: to them to decide what that party is, of course, 228 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: but it shouldn't be what we're seeing now. 229 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more of my conversation about Speaker 230 00:13:54,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: Pelosi and her new book right after this. You want 231 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: to get smarter every morning with a breakdown of the 232 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: news and fascinating takes on health and wellness and pop culture. 233 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: Sign up for our daily newsletter, Wake Up Call by 234 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: going to Katiecuric dot com. We're back with more of 235 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: my conversation with former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. 236 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: What do you make of people who have now minimized 237 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: the threat of bodily harm and the damage that was 238 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: done on January sixth, Madam Speaker, I mean, what do 239 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: you make of that and the fact that former President 240 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: Trump says he will pardon the insurrectionists. 241 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: Well, first, and what happened that day was horrible. It 242 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: would assault, of course on the Capitol, the beautiful capital, 243 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: which is an emblem of a temple of democracy to 244 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: the world, under the dome that Lincoln built during the 245 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: Civil War. During the Civil War, people said, don't continue. 246 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: The dome saved the steal and the manpower for the 247 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: war Civil war, and he said, no, I have to 248 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: show that we are resilient, and they completed the dome. 249 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: And these people came in with Confederate flags under the dome, 250 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: even a Nazifi under Lincoln's dome. 251 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: So that was. 252 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: Horrible optically to the world that it was an assault 253 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: on our constitution, which was more significant because this is 254 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: when the day we are supposed to ratify, certify the election, 255 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: a peaceful transfer of power of the results of the 256 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: electoral College for the president. Appalling. But that's why they 257 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: came that day to prevent that from happening. This just 258 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: wasn't any day of the week. It was the day 259 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: that we were required to do that, and we did. 260 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: And then the third was of course an assault on Congress, 261 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: an assault on Congress which had the responsibility to do that. 262 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: But physically the Senate chamber, the House chamber, seeking the 263 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: President of the Senate, who's the vice president of the 264 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: United States, with the gallows, you know, a horrible situation, 265 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: seeking out the speaker of the House on our side, 266 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to bullet in the head and all that. 267 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: So Congress, the Capital, the Constitution all assaulted that day, 268 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: intentionally that day because of the day it meant. Thank god, 269 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: the vice president honored his responsibilities as vice president according 270 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: to the Constitution. But what's sad about it is, following 271 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: all the damage and defecation and danger of all of it, 272 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: we go back in. They said, oh, we'll just have 273 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: to do it and undisclosed because no, we're going to 274 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: We're going to the Capital. 275 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: We're going to the floor. 276 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: And Chuck and and Mitch we all agree that would 277 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: be the course, the three of us, and so we 278 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: went back. But when we went back, overwhelmingly the Republicans, 279 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: including their leadership, voted not to accept the results of 280 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: the electoral College. It was so saddening to see them 281 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: walk away from that. So when you ask what do 282 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: you think of these people? What do you think of 283 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell. If you read his speech that day or 284 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 2: even up until the thirteenth of February when we were 285 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: impeaching the president for this and McCarthy and the things 286 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: they said that day, and then what they ended up doing, 287 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: just walking away from their remarks and now supporting him 288 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: for president. 289 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: Why do you think they had a change of heart. 290 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: I don't pay too much value of whether about Kevin, 291 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 2: but in terms of Mitch, he's a serious person in 292 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: the Congress of the United States. I feel very sorry 293 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: for him. I don't know how he lives with his decision, 294 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: but that's his decision. 295 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Are you concerned that after this upcoming election that if 296 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: President Trump loses, Hi'll refuse to accept the results. Oh? Sure, 297 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean he is irresponsible. I don't know what he 298 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: will do, But is there a plan if that happens? 299 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: You plan on our side? Yeah? 300 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: Well, everybody knows what he's capable of. Who would have 301 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: thought the lack of patriotism, the lack of interest in 302 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: a peaceful transfer of power, abandonment a fact and truth. 303 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: I mean, this was a very irresponsible thing for him 304 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: to do, and to encourage people to follow him, his toadies, 305 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 2: his enablers in the Congress and in other parts of 306 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: the country. When we brought the case for our accepting 307 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: the electoral college results, it was based on most of 308 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: these states had Republican leadership in the positions of authority 309 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: to approve these plans, mostly Republican that we were quoting 310 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: in terms of the integrity of the vote. So now 311 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 2: everybody knows what to expect of him, and that's a 312 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: different story. 313 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: But an insurrection. 314 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 2: Incited by the president of the United States was not 315 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: something anybody could expect. 316 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: I know that this is a plea for decency, a 317 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: return to decency in some ways. Do you think that 318 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: both sides are contributing to the current lack of civility? 319 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: To put it mildly, and why do you think it's 320 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: gotten so bad. I've covered politics a long time. You've 321 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: been in politics probably for as long as I've covered them, 322 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: and I think people have said, it's just never been 323 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: like this. What do you think the root casts? 324 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: First of all, let me disagree with that stipulation that 325 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: you put forth that both sides are responsible. 326 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: No, I'm asking if you think, oh, oh yeah, I'm 327 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: not saying they are. I'm asking if you believe that's 328 00:19:59,080 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: I think. 329 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 2: I don't see any of our people saying to their supporters, 330 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: beat up the press and we will pay your legal fees. 331 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: I don't think I see our people saying in Charlottesville 332 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: there are good people on both sides. That equivalence that 333 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: some have put forth is so wrong. And also when 334 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: they say there's dysfunction, there's not a dysfunction. It's obstruction. 335 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: Obstruction on the part of the Republicans who do not 336 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: believe in science, do not believe in governance. And if 337 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: you don't believe, if science tells you we have to 338 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: take care of children because this is how their brands developed, 339 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 2: and you don't believe in any initiatives to address that 340 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: because you don't believe in governance, then we have a disagreement. 341 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: Same thing with the planet, and the list goes on. 342 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: So we have a major policy disagreement, and that's legitimate. 343 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: Since the beginning of our country, we've had those disagreements. 344 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that if you're anti governance of 345 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 2: that you're going to take it down. You take it, 346 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: you want to minimize it, you want to change the 347 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: balance between federal and state and all that. That's legitimate debate, 348 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: but not to take it down as they try to 349 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 2: do on January sixth, So I do not in any way. 350 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 2: See now, I have been a victim of everybody, well, 351 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: the far left, the far right, everybody, as far as 352 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 2: I'm concerned. But on the left it's mostly policy. At 353 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: largely it is always policy disagreement. They don't want I 354 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 2: don't go far enough here and go far enough there. 355 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. 356 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: But on the other side, I've been a victim of 357 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: the Republicans for twenty years I was leader or speaker. 358 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: They had me like a devil in flames, an animal 359 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: with horns, cloven feet, all the rest of that. And 360 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: really contribute it to the atmosphere in which my husband 361 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 2: was attacked. 362 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: Where do you think that comes from? That rage against 363 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: you specifically? Do you think it's misogyny? What do you 364 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: think is behind that? I think it's a bankruptcy of 365 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: ideas on their part. They don't have anything to suggest, 366 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: because what are they for. They'refore tax breaks for the rich. 367 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: The only thing they did when he was president and 368 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: they had the majority was a tax bill that gave 369 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: eighty three percent of the benefits to the top one percent, 370 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: top one percent, adding two trillion with the T not 371 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: a B or an M, two trillion dollars to the 372 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: national debt, and then saying well, we can't do this 373 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: for the children because it will add to the national debt. 374 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 2: So they don't have an agenda that has popular appeal 375 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: if people understand it, So that do they have to 376 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: do the politics of personal destruction or attack. And that's 377 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: what they did. And of course I'm very proud to 378 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: represent San Francisco. In fact, when I gave up my 379 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: leader ship Roles, I said, don't worry about me. Nothing 380 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: makes me prouder than to step onto the floor to 381 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 2: say I speak for the people of San Francisco. They 382 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: like to say, oh san Francisco, Yeah, san Francisco values, 383 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 2: the song of Saint Francis. Make me a channel of 384 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: thy piece. Or there's darkness, May we bring white hatred, love, despair, hope. 385 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: The list goes on. So but I think it's their 386 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: anti governance attitude, they're anti science attitude, and they don't 387 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 2: want en rich people don't some rich people don't want 388 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: to pay taxes, so they fund this bankruptcy of this 389 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: lack of ideas with personal attacks. 390 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about that, because the Democrats have 391 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: been losing white working class voters for some time and 392 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: they seem to be gravitating toward Donald Trump. Why do 393 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: you think that's happened and why do you think that 394 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: they feel? Many Trump's supporters feel that he cares more 395 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: about them than the Democrats do. 396 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: Well, because he's a good snake oil salesman. That's why 397 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: you have to give him credit. He gets out there 398 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: and sells a bill of goods. But what does he 399 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: do give a tax break to the top one percent. 400 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: He doesn't care about those people, but he gives them 401 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: the impression they do. 402 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: But I do. 403 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm respectful of the American people. I do think there 404 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: are some people who have concerns about well, some of 405 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: them are just want to discriminate and we'll never get them, 406 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 2: and we're not. Our appeal is not to them. Are 407 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: There's some cultural issues Gun's God being a woman's ready 408 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: to choose and gaze which have been for a while 409 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 2: pulling some people into a place where they felt they 410 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: should vote because of cultural issues. And that's important. Some 411 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: of that is diminishing in terms of LGBTQ as they 412 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 2: see more of family members, etc. But nonetheless the gun 413 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: issue in that. But I am very respectful the fact 414 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: that there are some people in the country, some of 415 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: them have voted that way, that are concerned. 416 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: About the future. 417 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: They don't They're uncertain about globalization, they're concerned about innovation, 418 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: They're concerned about immigration. They are seeing everything that diminishes 419 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: their prospects immigration the least. But that's not how they 420 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: see it. Immigration, innovation, and globalization. They have to see 421 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: a larger picture about how they do benefit from that. 422 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: But if they see a factory leaving down the road, 423 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 2: they have a legitimate concern. I think what Joe Biden 424 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 2: has done and masterfully. I give him so much credit 425 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: for it is he all of the bills that we've passed, 426 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: whether we started with the Rescue Package, the First Bill, 427 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: the Infrastructure Bill, the Chips and Science Act, the Packed 428 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: Act for Our Veterans, and the IRA the Inflation Reduction Act, 429 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 2: all of those bills have a justice element in them 430 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: that more people will participate. They'll be a funding for 431 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: education for stem so people can be involved. That people 432 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: understand that this Infrastructure Bill and some of the others 433 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: have real jobs. You don't even need to go to 434 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 2: college for there about making a good living and if 435 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: you decide to go to college after, that's up to 436 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: you and good for you. But you don't have to 437 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: be able to sustain a lovely lifestyle and a retirement. 438 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: And I don't think those bills have been put out enough. 439 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: And that's part of what my shall we say interest 440 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: is in this campaign is to make sure people understand 441 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: what is in it for them at their kitchen table. 442 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: Joe Biden, fifteen million jobs, the other guy, the worst 443 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: job record since Herbert Hoover. Okay, and these people are 444 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 2: voting for fifteen million jobs, wages rising, unemployment down, the 445 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 2: list goes on of things that have affected people at 446 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: that table that they may not be fully aware of. 447 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: Something is clearly being lost in translation. 448 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: Well it is, but again they inoculate, They go out 449 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: there with guns and gay blah blah blah blah blah, 450 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: and so it's harder to get the message across. But 451 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: we have to do it, and that's what campaigns are about, 452 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: and that's what we will do, and in doing so, 453 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: to make sure everybody understands the legacy of Joe Biden 454 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 2: as president, one of the most consequential presidents in our 455 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: country's history when it comes to all of the issues, 456 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: whether it's jobs or pensions, whether it's education or environmental 457 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: protection for children to have clean air, clean water to drink, 458 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: and safer neighborhoods with gun violence legislation, but we all 459 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: all of it. We have to do more. Elections are 460 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: not about what you have done. It's about the future. 461 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: So when we go out there, we have to make 462 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 2: sure that people see the contrast for the future for 463 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: their kitchen table, not the boardroom table, not the cabinet table. 464 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: Their kitchen table needs. Whether it's about how democracy affects, 465 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: Democrats are about freedom, freedom of a woman to choose families, 466 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: to choose the size, timing or if they have a family, 467 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 2: about LGBTQ, but choosing who you love rather than somebody 468 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: in Washington, d C. 469 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Doing that for you in your state. 470 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: Capital issues that relate to the job opportunities sixteen million 471 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: jobs versus worst record since Herbert Hoover and they're voting 472 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: for him. Well, we have to make sure that people understand. 473 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: Now there's inflation and the cost of living, and that's global. 474 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: It's been contained the most in the US, but people 475 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: have to know, and they blame that on President Biden. Well, 476 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 2: they blame it on whoever's in power at the time. 477 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: But many of these things go back in terms of 478 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: chain of command. But you know what, that's the way 479 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: it is. You get the credit, you get the blame 480 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: if you have the office, and it's no use. We 481 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: don't agonize. We organize to win the election and not say, oh, bony, 482 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: they thought this. 483 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: No. 484 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: I respect the goodness of the American people and the 485 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: fairness of the American people in a calm, respectful way. 486 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 2: I think Carmo House will do that beautifully. We have 487 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: to take a quick break, got to pay the bills. 488 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this. 489 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: We're back with more of my conversation with former Speaker 490 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: of the House Nancy Pelosi. I want to ask you 491 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: about the current political situation and the time we have left. 492 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: I know that, but it also is connected with your book. 493 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: You talk about the Trump family and basically saying that 494 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: there should have been an intervention by the family. You right, 495 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: a former President Trump's family and staff truly understood his 496 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: disregard both for the fundamentals of the law and for 497 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: basic rules, and if they had reckoned with his personal 498 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: instability over not winning the election, they should have staged 499 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: an intervention. But with all due respect, Speaker Pelosi, when 500 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: I read that, I wondered, couldn't the same thing be 501 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: said about President Biden. Should people have earlier determined that 502 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: perhaps he didn't have the physical stamina to endure a 503 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: re election campaign and put the Democratic Party in a 504 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: better position for this election. 505 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: Well, with all due respect, again, you're making an equivalence 506 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: here that doesn't exist. Whether you think their stamina to 507 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: run again and serve for four years is quite different 508 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: whether you're undermining our democracy in the office that you hold. 509 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: And that's what Donald Trump was doing. And this was 510 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: about his harm, his harm to the country, and his 511 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: instability that he was bringing to it and the anti 512 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: patriotic attitude he had. It wasn't about whether he was 513 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: healthy enough to do this or that by physical health. 514 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: It was what it was happening in his distortion of 515 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 2: the facts and how he was misrepresenting to the public. 516 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: Two completely different situations. And when it came, it's just 517 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: a question of does somebody have the stamina, say, for 518 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: four years, we have addressed that, they haven't. 519 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how it was addressed, though, should there 520 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: have been more transparency. Even if these two things are 521 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: not equivalent. Well they're not equivalent, so why they're not equivalent. 522 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: But that doesn't answer the question of whether there should 523 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: have been more transparency, if if President Biden was too 524 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: protected and kept from the public for too long, and 525 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: that it put the Democratic Party at a disadvantage given 526 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: the election is less than one hundred days away. Well 527 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: he's not the candidate. No, but I'm not the kendidate. 528 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: Up until up until ben he had an enormously successful 529 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: NATO summit, the seventy fifth anniversary of NATO in Washington, 530 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: d C. They produced great policy statements and the rest 531 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 2: very unified. A newly expanded NATO under his leadership, strengthened 532 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: and expanded, with two new countries, Finland and Sweden coming 533 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: into the country. Unified in terms of the fight in Ukraine. 534 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: As was stated by them, he has now just a 535 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: matter of days ago, affected a virtuoso performance in bringing 536 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: home the prisoners. 537 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: It was a very. 538 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: Complicated deal, involving many countries willing to surrender prisoners in 539 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: order for us to get our prisoners out and other 540 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: prisoners out. It was masterful. So he has been functioning 541 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 2: a plus. Whether he would do that for another four 542 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: years is a different story. But in the presence we 543 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: haven't lost anything with his service, whereas with that other guy, 544 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: we were getting our democracy shrunken and diminished and our 545 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: freedoms diminished. And you're like, well, why is this happening? 546 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: How could he be standing up there and saying, if 547 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: you beat up the press, I'll pay your bills. 548 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: Is that a normal thing to say? Does that seem normal? No? 549 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: I don't think it does. But I don't think it's 550 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: the equivalent of somebody saying somebody didn't do well in 551 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: the debate and whatever the family decisions were. Now, I 552 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: work with him quite a bit. I never saw that 553 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 2: because I work with them usually earlier in the day, 554 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 2: when he was more in charge than I saw that night. 555 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: I saw it that night with the first I saw it. 556 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 2: So I don't subscribe to any of these Democrats or 557 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 2: this or that in terms of violence the Democrats, or 558 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: this or that. In terms of holding people accountable. He's 559 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 2: not running. The other guy is running. 560 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about Kamala Harris's candidacy. It seems that it's 561 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: off to a very good start. What are you most 562 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: worried about between now and election day. 563 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 2: Well, as I say, we don't agonize, we organize, and 564 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to just make sure that we have our 565 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 2: three ms, our mobilization at the grassroots level, which is 566 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 2: owning the ground, to make sure whatever persuasion we have accomplished, 567 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 2: we're getting out the vote, own the ground as mobilization 568 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 2: messaging the boldest, most progressive message, non menacing, though not 569 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: to be tattooed with some minority view that people have 570 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 2: that they like to see the party go in that's 571 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 2: not our consensus, but of our consensus. So mobilization fueled 572 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 2: by a message of hope and for the future, and 573 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 2: then the money to get that done. Obviously, she's raising 574 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 2: money at the grassroots level a million people and many 575 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: of them knew small donors adding to the coffers to 576 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: mobilize with a message that is again unifying for our country. 577 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 2: So if we have that in place, I think that 578 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: we will do well. But none of it matters as 579 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: much as the candidate. What is the vision of the 580 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 2: candidate for our What are the values that that person 581 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: brings to the table. What is the empathy that she 582 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: has in our heart for the American people, What is 583 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,959 Speaker 2: the commitment to the values of our founders for our democracy, 584 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 2: the gratitude to our men and women in uniform for 585 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 2: fighting for our freedom, and the aspirations of our children 586 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 2: as we go forward. I feel very confident that Kamala 587 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 2: will be able to convey that. You see, they don't 588 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: want to talk about kitchen table issues because they're about 589 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: the boardroom table, not the kitchen table. So they're questioning 590 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 2: her race and this or that, which just shows you 591 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: the bankruptcy of their ideas. 592 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: What do you think she should be looking for in 593 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: terms of a vice president that can be up to her? 594 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: I think the most what do you think what is 595 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 2: the most important thing is who can be serve as 596 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: vice president and be a source of judgment, knowledge again 597 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: vision values her for our country when she's president of 598 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: the United States, it'd be important for her to have 599 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 2: somebody who could help win the election because we must 600 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 2: win the election. Everything is at stake, our democracy has 601 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 2: everything is at stake with that guy the other one. 602 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 2: But the most important thing is that's over and above 603 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: the most important thing. Who can be a great vice 604 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: president for our country? And again, somebody that could serve 605 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: down the road, or if necessary. 606 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: Is it important that person be from a swing state 607 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: for example? 608 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 2: That's almost incidental to what is the purpose of the 609 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 2: vice president. My view is that all six of the 610 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: candidates that we've heard about, I don't know if there 611 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: are others, are great. I love them all. Any one 612 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 2: of them would be a great vice president. She has 613 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 2: a rich field of talent to choose from, and so 614 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: some may be helpful one place and more helpful another, 615 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: even if they're not a swing state. They may be 616 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 2: helpful in swing states because of what they bring to 617 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 2: the table. 618 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: But they're all. 619 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 2: I've worked with all of them. I have great respect 620 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 2: for all of them. Any one of them would be 621 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: a great vice president. And that's really my experience with 622 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: presidents has been that's the value that they want to 623 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: know who they can live with very effectively for America. 624 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: Some of it is about chemistry, too, don't you think, well, 625 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: that's to mean who does she have the comfort level 626 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: to trust, the judgment, you know, with speak shorthand to 627 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: each other so that you have an understanding about how 628 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: you go forward. No, I think chemistry is important, But again, 629 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: vision values, empathy, knowledge, and judgment, or part of it 630 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: and that's part of the chemistry. I think you give 631 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: it that name. 632 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 2: I think she has she knows the job, she's been 633 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 2: in the job, she knows the job, so that gives 634 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: her an advantage in making an evaluation. 635 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: But they're all great. 636 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 2: I couldn't make an argument for any one of them 637 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 2: and just say I don't understand why I can't be 638 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 2: this one. I don't understand why I can't be that one, 639 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,439 Speaker 2: because they're all great, and I've worked with each of them, 640 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: so I know pretty well what they bring to the table. 641 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: I want to in the way I started with your 642 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: extraordinary life and career. You know, I'm sixty seven. I 643 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: say I'm on the back nine. My husband says I'm 644 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: on the fourteenth hole, which I really don't appreciate. You're 645 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: a few years older than I am, more than a few, 646 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: and you know, these days, I do think about my 647 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 1: own mortality and what I've contributed. I hope I've done 648 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: something good in the world. And I'm just curious when 649 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: you think about your legacy, Speaker Pelosi, what do you 650 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: think about what do you hope it will be? 651 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think about it too much, but I 652 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 2: think about yours and I think that young women around 653 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 2: the country for a while now have looked to you 654 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: with enjoyment, pride, confidence that they might be able to 655 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 2: do something similar because you have shared your personal experiences 656 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,959 Speaker 2: in a very generous, great generosity of spirit. So thank 657 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 2: you for that. That's why I'm here with you today 658 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 2: as a respect that we all have for you. From 659 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 2: my standpoint, I just want women to know their power 660 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 2: to be ready for whatever opportunity comes along, and when 661 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: it does, to be themselves because there's no one like 662 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,479 Speaker 2: them in the world. And I give them the same 663 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 2: advice that Lindy gave me. She gave it to me 664 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 2: because I said, I have three important titles in the 665 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 2: Democratic Party. I should probably give one up, She said, Darling, 666 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: no man would ever make that statement. Know your power 667 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 2: and use it, which I did, and here I am. 668 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Speaker Pelosi. I wasn't fishing 669 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: for compliments. I wanted to say that because you're wonderful. 670 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: You know, you're just really a remarkable person. And we 671 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: all think about legacy and the rest, but it's really 672 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: important to know how young women are, not even young 673 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: young going into fel They may come out of the 674 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: kitchen or the nursery or wherever it is to be 675 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: in the public arena, and they've got to see the 676 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: respect that you command. Maybe they could do that. Well, 677 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,879 Speaker 1: that's why I believe representation is so critically important. I've 678 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: been watching the Olympics and I've been seeing all these 679 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,760 Speaker 1: extraordinary female athletes and now there are as many women 680 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: as men in these Olympics for the first time, and 681 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: I think, and then I see little girls on the 682 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: balance beam in their living rooms, and I think, this 683 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: is why it matters. Because it sounds trite, but they say, 684 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: if you can't see it, you can't be it, and 685 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: I really think that's true. That's why we need people 686 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: in visible leadership positions coming from the whole spectrum spectrum 687 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: of America, different from rural places, different socioeconomic levels. We 688 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: need to see everyone so everyone can see themselves and 689 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: those people, well, you know. 690 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 2: One of the things I want to say to you 691 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 2: now is that's what Joe Biden was all about. When 692 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 2: we did the infrastructure bill. He had forty percent justice 693 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 2: piece in there, so that the outreach would be that 694 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 2: everyone could participate job wise, but not only that, equity wise, 695 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: could have ownership of some of the opportunities that were there, 696 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: but also that there would be training for it as well, 697 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 2: so that people see a whole different avenue. Same thing 698 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: with the Chips and Science Act. The Chips Act was 699 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 2: what it was, but the Science Act was was a 700 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: STEM we in California called steams science, technology, engineering, the 701 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 2: arts and mathematics. But we have the arts in there too, 702 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 2: But the STEM in this in this bill to reach 703 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 2: out so that women and people of color and the 704 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 2: rest who might not have been drawn into this are 705 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 2: and there's so much talent out there un exploited. I 706 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: don't like to use that word, but untapped, untapped, and 707 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 2: so that he has that in each of the bills 708 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 2: was to make sure. And he would say to me 709 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,319 Speaker 2: all the time, what are the workers thinking? Is it 710 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 2: getting to the workers? What are the workers thinking? Not 711 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 2: for political reasons, but for the effectiveness of the legislation, 712 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 2: Because it's one thing to pass a bill, have it 713 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 2: signed into law. It's a big deal, but the execution 714 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 2: of it is really important. 715 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 1: And he did both. 716 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 2: He helped pass and execute things that are making it 717 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 2: really different. Used to be, people would have a highway 718 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 2: come through their neighborhood, and divide it. That's not what 719 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 2: this is about. It's about how we unify neighborhood. Then 720 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 2: let's listen to people about how they would see it, 721 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 2: and what are the job opportunities for them? When you 722 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 2: make those decisions, you make job opportunities one way or another. 723 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: What advice would you give to Kamala Harris to convey 724 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: that to the American people? And what do you think 725 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: are going to be the most important issues of this campaign? 726 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 2: Well, but I'd always say the same thing to women. 727 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 2: Be yourself. You know, don't go out there and just 728 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 2: you're the vice president of the United States. You have 729 00:44:53,160 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 2: had opportunity beyond description in that role. You know the challenges, 730 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 2: you know the possibilities. Everything is an opportunity. So take 731 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,640 Speaker 2: your priorities out there. Be yourself. I keep coming back 732 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 2: to that, be yourself. And she's a great communicator. She 733 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 2: knows what is at stake. In a larger sense, I 734 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: don't want any of us. This is not for her. 735 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 2: It's for all of us to be talking about what 736 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 2: are the important issues. I come right back to the 737 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,840 Speaker 2: kitchen table when people ask me, we're the most important issue? 738 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,760 Speaker 1: Our children? 739 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 2: Our children, our children, their health, their education, the economic 740 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 2: security of their families, safe neighborhoods in which they can thrive, 741 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 2: including safety from gun violence, and a world at peace 742 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 2: in which they can reach their thrive and reach their fulfillment. 743 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,359 Speaker 2: But we come right down to that kitchen table. Some 744 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 2: of those issues are democracy issues too. To choose to 745 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 2: have a family, right to choose who you love, right 746 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 2: to choose the field you might want to be in. 747 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 1: That might not sound as. 748 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,920 Speaker 2: Shall we say, prestigious, as some might want you to pursue, 749 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 2: but it's your choice and we want you to have 750 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 2: that opportunity, whether it's in whether it's in technology or vocation, 751 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 2: occasionally whatever it happens to be. And that's what our 752 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,760 Speaker 2: country is about. And so when you're dressing innovation or globalization, 753 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 2: legitimate concerns that people have and we have to respect that. 754 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 2: And some of them don't understand, well, they understand what 755 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 2: it means to them, So it's not to disrespect their 756 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,240 Speaker 2: understanding of it, but we have to make it clearer 757 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 2: to them what this means to them and the issues 758 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 2: they care about have to be addressed. That's right, Well, 759 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 2: they have our address, So we did that for two years. 760 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 2: That's why I'm praising Joe Biden so much, and I 761 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 2: want his legacy to be protected. A far different agenda 762 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 2: than the proposition of Project to twenty five, which the 763 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 2: President says, I don't even know those people. 764 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: No. 765 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 2: One of them was his Office of Management and Budget. 766 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 2: One was his personnel person Now they worked right in 767 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 2: his office. So again misrepresentation, but he gets away with 768 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 2: it because you tell misrepresentation enough times, people start accepting 769 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 2: a fact and we don't want to go around being 770 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 2: fearmongers saying lookally lied again. No, we're talking about what 771 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 2: we bring to the table. I feel very confident about 772 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,720 Speaker 2: the election, especially now. The enthusiasm is great, and that's 773 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 2: the energy that runs a campaign. So and Kamal is 774 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 2: just to be great, and we're all awaiting who the 775 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 2: vice president will be. I keep thinking it might happen 776 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 2: right when we're sitting here. 777 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be great? And we did have breaking news 778 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 1: and get your reaction that speaker. We were sort of 779 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: hoping for that too, But I don't think it's going 780 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: to happen. I think if you hear all that until tomorrow. 781 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time, Thanks for listening everyone. 782 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: If you have a question for me, a subject you 783 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 1: want us to cover, or you want to share your 784 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: thoughts about how you navigate this crazy world reach out. 785 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: You can leave a short message at six oh nine 786 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: five P one two five five oh five, or you 787 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: can send me a DM on Instagram. I would love 788 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Next Question is a production of 789 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia and Katie Kuric Media. The executive producers are Me, 790 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: Katie Kuric, and Courtney Ltz. 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