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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cutting the Distance today. I'm live from the field.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined with John Wyke of Northwest s Purchasers. He

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Speaker 1: served thirty five years in the military and military aviation work.

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Speaker 1: He's originally from the Northwest Hardwoods of Connecticut, where he

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Speaker 1: started hunting at the age of ten. He moved to

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Speaker 1: Washington about twenty eight years ago. From there, he started

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Speaker 1: hunting turkeys shortly after and he's never looked back. To

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Speaker 1: describe the way John hunt's turkeys, He's a mountain turkey

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Speaker 1: hunter who would rather sit at home and watch TV

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Speaker 1: than hunt turkey's out of a blind. He has a

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Speaker 1: running gun style, chasing and setting up on goblin birds,

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Speaker 1: and that's his only style. Today's episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: give a quick recap on the Kansas turkey hunt as

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Speaker 1: well as the hunt we're on right now here in Washington.

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the show. John's hey, it's good to

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Speaker 2: Jason.

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Speaker 1: We're two weeks in the season, and are you tired

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Speaker 1: of it yet? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, right, how can you get tired of

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Speaker 2: doing this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a it's been fun. I get

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Speaker 1: tired during the season. It's long days. This morning we

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Speaker 1: got up at what three forty five, I think to

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Speaker 1: try to get past the bird, and yeah, you go

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Speaker 1: to bed at ten. But uh, long long days. So

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Speaker 1: we're we're physically tired, but I'm not tired of tricky

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Speaker 2: No, try not to be anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yep. So we're gonna start this episode, like every episode

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Speaker 1: of Cutting the Distance, we are going to take questions

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Speaker 1: from our listeners. If you have questions you'd like to

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Speaker 1: submit to myself or guests, email them to us at

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Speaker 1: CTD at phelpsgame Calls dot com. I have to laugh

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Speaker 1: at this question before I get ready to give it

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Speaker 1: to you, because we've we've both got this question on

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Speaker 1: this hunt. As we're hunting, people are messaging us this,

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Speaker 1: do you have a spot for me to hunt? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a question I never hear. Never. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we don't hear any of that too much, y'.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, because because we all know that that's all

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Speaker 1: that matters when it comes to killing the tricky right.

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Speaker 1: If you have the right spot, then everything else is

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Speaker 1: going to be a gimme.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's golden. You just pick the right spot

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Speaker 3: in the woods. You're gonna kill birds. It's it's really easy.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's elaborate on that question a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And rather than give them spots, how would you prepare

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Speaker 1: somebody to go investigate, look, find e scout whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be good hunting spots you know here in Washington,

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Speaker 1: and I know you hunt Idaho, Montana other places, like

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Speaker 1: what's a what's a good recipe for figuring out where

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Speaker 3: Well, first thing for us always, you know, we jump

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Speaker 3: right on on X and then mix on X with

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Speaker 3: Google Earth at the same time, and we're looking for

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Speaker 3: in it. We like the higher elevations. Our birds tend

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Speaker 3: to move up pretty quick. They'll follow the snow line.

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Speaker 3: They'll chase it right up to whatever elevation and you

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Speaker 3: want to go up to Not that you can't find

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Speaker 3: them down low as well, but you know, we just

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Speaker 3: we like prefer to hunt the upper stuff, so we

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you get on on X and start looking

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Speaker 3: at Timberland. You got all kinds of different timberlinds out here.

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Speaker 3: and it's just pretty easy to find. If you're using

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Speaker 3: It's not that complicated if you're able to look yep.

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Speaker 1: And that's one thing you touched on there a little

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Speaker 3: And there they are staring at you.

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Speaker 3: So it's not the ones you really want to hunt, probably,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you had we were hunting the spot last night

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Speaker 3: And people even gave reports where like, man, we're watching

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so just quick recap, get on on X,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely carry lots of water with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have question number two, which we've lived a

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, first thing is take note as to what

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Speaker 3: we're like two weeks behind still in our season. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: some friends I know found a couple of nests. I

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Speaker 3: So they're going to be pretty hand up still. Which

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Speaker 1: Yep. We're going to get into the nine am spark

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's the better hunting is still ahead. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 1: those should be used. I don't think you should be

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Speaker 1: and I don't think you should be cranking on a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean we experienced that in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of days hunting together too. You know, early morning obviously,

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Speaker 3: make it realistic. You want some realism, but obviously noise

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Speaker 3: And then we move into the day a little bit

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Speaker 3: and Jason proved really well, how we'll get the woodpecker

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Speaker 1: Which one are you picking?

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Speaker 1: to cut that right, you know. So we ran into

434
00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,679
Speaker 1: a little bit of vegetation really cause and you know,

435
00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 1: some some impediment on the on their travel paths. And

436
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,000
Speaker 1: then same thing. I don't necessarily we had got that

437
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,879
Speaker 1: bird this morning going we thought, oh, he's gonna come

438
00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,560
Speaker 1: down the road. So we did what a typical hunter

439
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,040
Speaker 1: would do. We ran down to the edge of the road

440
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,359
Speaker 1: and squawked on our hen call and the next time

441
00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000
Speaker 1: we heard him gobble. He was literally walking down the creek,

442
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 1: which we never thought he would do. And so it's

443
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,879
Speaker 1: just one of those things like is that one of

444
00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,960
Speaker 1: those times where we did what we thought was right,

445
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,359
Speaker 1: but that's what every other hund would do, Like, oh,

446
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna go set up on the side of the

447
00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,240
Speaker 1: road and then that whether it is or not, it's

448
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,600
Speaker 1: just one of those things that goes through my mind

449
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 1: as I rethought this morning, like we did exactly what

450
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,439
Speaker 1: a hunter would do. Did that affected or maybe not?

451
00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 1: Maybe he was gonna get drug down there by hint anyways,

452
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,640
Speaker 1: but it always makes you think, could we have multiple

453
00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 1: times even this morning, like we've and yesterday we would

454
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,520
Speaker 1: try to get like one move ahead of the turkey

455
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 1: right right. Yeah, I'm The more we do this and

456
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: the more it keeps like we should we need to

457
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 1: almost be like we need to guess like two or

458
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 1: three moves ahead right to get us some more because

459
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,800
Speaker 1: it seems like we're always playing like, oh that makes sense,

460
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: we think we can, but then they beat you there

461
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 1: or they do something different. It's like, well, shoot, we

462
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 1: knew that that second or third you know that second

463
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 1: or third idea, like they were going to a Look,

464
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 1: we should have just went there versus trying to cut

465
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 1: them off in the middle or right.

466
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's another good thing for having on X.

467
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to Yeah, we were in an area today

468
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 1: we didn't really know the clean way through, and we

469
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 1: had those three or four different birds gobbling and finally

470
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 1: we oh, shoot, there's an open ridge in here. We

471
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: got in there and it was the most beautiful turkey

472
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 1: ridge ever had everything they need.

473
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 3: He never would have known there if you didn't flip

474
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 3: on X and you're like, look, this is open in there.

475
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got in there. I want to live here.

476
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeaice it was, and it was literally the only way

477
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,439
Speaker 1: we could get through this area without you know, just

478
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, bushwhacking horribly.

479
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 3: So, but now you know where they were set up

480
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 3: and where they were gobbling from in the morning. You

481
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 3: know they're fly down area, and you know the pattern

482
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 3: to get out of there.

483
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, now the hard part will be setting up

484
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 1: in there in the morning and not touching a call. Yeah,

485
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: like we say, sometimes you can get in there and

486
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: buger them up. I think. I I'm very very confident,

487
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, we we always joke as we sit down

488
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 1: on our setups. This morning we had to go to

489
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 1: a three percenter Yeah at one point, and that's why

490
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here. You know, mid afternoon, I would go

491
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: into that spot with an eighty percent chance of killing

492
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 1: the bird there.

493
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah seriously, Yeah, this morning we're like thirty percent chance

494
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 3: of this being successful. Yeah, turned to zero.

495
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: But that's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they're And

496
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 1: the reason you need to ask this question is we

497
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: walked our road to some today, just trying to explore

498
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: the area, and we've seen two dead birds, you know,

499
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: two somebody had breasted them out and taken the legs,

500
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: you know, basically cleaned up birds and it's like, man,

501
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: there are a lot of birds getting killed near Yeah.

502
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 3: We didn't realize how much pressure was in here until

503
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: we started finding the carcasses.

504
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, wonder.

505
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 1: This is happening.

506
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and is now we know we got to change

507
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 2: their tactics.

508
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, one predator, i mean, one was so fresh

509
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: a predator hadn't even got to the other one been

510
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: picked on a little bit, but both real, real, yeah,

511
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: fresh kills. So yeah, don't do what a turcula would do.

512
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: And then that doesn't I mean you have to take

513
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 1: that with the grain of salt, like there are things

514
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 1: that are just the right move but don't typically do

515
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, we talk about seven to

516
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: nine note yelps. I'm gonna get into the culling a

517
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah you hear what, Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

518
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: You know, somebody's just gonna do their normal yelp. Yeah.

519
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: You listen to me and you call it's like two loud,

520
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: one quiet, three, you know, and throw a bubble cluck

521
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 1: in there, and it's like and if you listen to

522
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: real hens, that's what they're doing.

523
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 3: They're yeah, they're raising their tone up and down, facing

524
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: one direction, turning and facing the other direction, versus monotone

525
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 3: with a straight note.

526
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. And these turkeys, I mean, I don't want to

527
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: give them too much credit. They're not the smartest bird

528
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: on the planet, but they're also not dumb. They're there,

529
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: they get conditioned their turkeys. They're doing what turkeys are doing.

530
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: So calling different. You know, we're not afraid to purr,

531
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: We're not afraid to cluck, you know, bubble cluck, mix

532
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, just sound like a realistic can. And

533
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: there's times where and we also escalate our calls. I

534
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: think we start with a low volume and then nothing answers,

535
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: and then our second set of yelps and clocks will

536
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: be a little louder. It's just you don't typically hear

537
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: a hint out here, just yeah, yeah, got jack. You know,

538
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: she's just just not doing that. And I think ninety

539
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: five percent the hunters that come out here that's how

540
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: they call. Yeah, so yeah, all right, we're gonna diverge

541
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: off of that. Don't do it a typical turkey hunter

542
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: would do. But it's important to think about out there,

543
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: like can I get this bird to work somewhere besides

544
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: down this road where he's been called you know, it's

545
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: it's just changing the game a little bit or by

546
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: little decisions. Can I get you know, can I call

547
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 1: them up a ridge versus a road? All of that.

548
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the style of turkey

549
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: hunting we're doing here. You know, a typical day in

550
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: the Turkey woods, you know, for most might be a

551
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: couple of miles, maybe a couple setups to get on

552
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: some hot birds and you're done. This is these sort

553
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: of you know, Miriam's Rios type hunts. They're completely opposite.

554
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,959
Speaker 1: Like we've talked about it multiple times. You might as

555
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: well be hunting elk or you know, mountain meal deer

556
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yesterday when we killed, well we both killed

557
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: our a bird. Yesterday we got back and I pulled

558
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: out the iPhone. You know, it's like twelve plus miles, yea,

559
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: a hundred foot of elevation gain. Like we're we're working

560
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: our tail off. And I think a little a little

561
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: bit of it relates back to pressure in area.

562
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, these they've moved further out of it.

563
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the birds that you there are birds. There's

564
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: no denying there. Birds from here to mile marker one

565
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: and a half in this area. There there are birds there,

566
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: but you can tell when you call to them that

567
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: they've been worked or they've heard a.

568
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: Call before, they've worked hard versus.

569
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: I joked yesterday you should never see a mile marker

570
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: more than three, why you're a turkey hunting. But we

571
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: started to see those mile markers deep in there. Yeah,

572
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: you get in there, and now those turkeys maybe have

573
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: only heard a handful of calls from guys, or maybe

574
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: haven't got bumped, and they start to react like they should,

575
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: like a tom without a hen. You know, yesterday this

576
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: this chunk that we are hunting. Now we literally touched

577
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: all four corners of aside from one big peak on

578
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: the opposite side. But we could hear up there. We

579
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: put in work and and.

580
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: Oh it was hardcore. I mean yeah, we were digging

581
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: deep to get out there. But and we knew what

582
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: Reggie was on and we're looking at our round X

583
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: as well. Man, we're gonna have to crash through thick,

584
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: thick timber just to avoid being seen on a point

585
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: and play the game all the way over to the

586
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: other ridge. And we knew we're gonna it's going to

587
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: be a twelve mile day, But we're going to get

588
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: near that bird, yep.

589
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: And I mean there were decisions made throughout yesterday where

590
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: we could have taken we I'm almost don't want to

591
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: admit it, and I think I still think it was

592
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: a wild turkey. But he was a domesticated wild turkey.

593
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: I have some sorts he was. He was just very

594
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: comfortable living off the edge of this public So we

595
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: got drugged down there and we hiked up maybe a

596
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: couple hundred feet, hit a road system. We could have

597
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: just easy taken that road system back towards the truck

598
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: or two in a different area, we elected to go.

599
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: We got to a beautiful basin. We knew it was

600
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna suck because we had to walk up through a

601
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: fairly steep clear cut, but it gave us the ability

602
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: to sound check an entire canyon amazing looking Turkey country,

603
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: and when we finally did get to the top, we

604
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: were able to locate my bird in a different bird.

605
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: And if we hadn't have put in that extra effort,

606
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have had that opportunity.

607
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he heard that sound too. I mean he

608
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: heard it from an area that another hundred probably would

609
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: never be on it as well. Yeah, so as that

610
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: sound got close to him, it created realism.

611
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: Yep. And we'll talk a little bit more about once

612
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: we located that bird. Kind of our approach, and it

613
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: ties back into the don't do what hunters would do either,

614
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: the way we had to approach him just to guarantee

615
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: that he hasn't you know, seen or heard something that

616
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: he didn't like. So, yeah, a lot of miles. It's

617
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: it's in an effort. I feel like you can control

618
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: the outcome a little better when you're putting in that

619
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: many miles finding birds that haven't been messed versus if

620
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: you're always leaving it to chance trying to hunt these

621
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: pressured birds. They're doing sporadic turkey things. You know. We

622
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: talked about like how smart can something be with that

623
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: little pea brain of theirs. But they and I don't

624
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: know if they're smart or if they're just have an uncanny

625
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: ability to do what just random thing they need to

626
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: do not to get killed.

627
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very instinctive. You know, they've dealt with enough pressure.

628
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: They figured some things out.

629
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: Yep.

630
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: Educated birds.

631
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm gonna diverge a little bit from our

632
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: conversation just give a quick update on our Kansas. I'm

633
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: sure you'll have some stuff to interject with the way

634
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: that the things were going so out there in eastern Kansas.

635
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, we're hunting easterns. We'd been hunting early May.

636
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Typically that's typically when you start to get your hands

637
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: with full nests. They're not near as interested in feet

638
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: in as long you're like, all right, money, you know,

639
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: we've got loan toms, and so we were always told

640
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: that they're more callable early. So we decided to go

641
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: there April twenty, April twentieth. We fly out there to Kansas,

642
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: and everything is is a little bit late, and so

643
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: or it actually seems to be a little early in Kansas.

644
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: Whatever it is that those toms are completely handed up

645
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: all day long, like they there were some toms we'd

646
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: see that would still have hans out in the field

647
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: with them at one or two o'clock, which I don't

648
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: It may be extremely late, like they haven't even started

649
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: laying their first egg. But I almost can't believe that,

650
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, April twentieth by then, especially being that far south.

651
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: But or she had just went later egg nested for

652
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: a little bit and then popped right back up a

653
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. But we could not call those birds

654
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: off very easily. Do you have any And I've always

655
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: said Easterns are more stubborn, They're more difficult, They're more

656
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: hard headed. When they fly down. They don't mind if

657
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: they live in the bottoms. They don't care if they

658
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: ever gobble at you the rest of the time, you know,

659
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: goblet of the roost a little bit, but.

660
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: Way more frustrating. I mean, it requires a lot more finesse.

661
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of different type tact calling than

662
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: what we do out here. Our birds out here don't

663
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 3: really want to hear a lot of cutting, whereas you

664
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 3: know Easterns they do.

665
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: They want to hear it excited. Yeah, yeah, And that's

666
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 1: sometimes the only time we could get them to do

667
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: and get a call or get anything out of them.

668
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: But they were very, very content just doing what they

669
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: wanted to do and not dealing with you at all.

670
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: As a hunter. They had their you know, seven eight

671
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: ten hens, all with an eyes sight. They were all

672
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: roosted together every night. You know, they roost a little

673
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: more I would say typical in a typical spot every

674
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: night there, and they knew all their hens showed up.

675
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: We sat close to a roos tree one night, all

676
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: the hen show up. Tom's being I don't know why

677
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: they didn't fold their hands out. They come in from

678
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: a completely different direction, but they all meet at the

679
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: same rooster. It's just very difficult to hunt.

680
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: A lot more tactics of crawling, a lot of moving

681
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: and trying to sneak in and get in the right positions.

682
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: There's there's so much more you got to put into it. Easterns.

683
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: And just like you had mentioned earlier, you don't like

684
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: to sit in the blind, and I don't necessarily. We

685
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: all know when we go to Kansas, if we just

686
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: sit in a spot, we will kill a bird. Yeah,

687
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, they're very very patternable. But we don't like

688
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: to hunt that way. So what they do is they

689
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 1: get us running ridge to ridge with gobbles and then

690
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: they would be on the opposite ridge by the time

691
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: you got and you're just like, it's almost like you

692
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: have to sit still to kill them. But who wants

693
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: to hunt them that way? Yeah? Some birds?

694
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: That's you have no choice. If that's the kind of

695
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: air you're gonna hunt in, I mean, you got you

696
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: gotta do.

697
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: Yep. I was uh. I was able to kill my

698
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: bird on the first morning there. We didn't really roost.

699
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: We don't roost those birds in Kansas like we do,

700
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: and I guess you don't roost here a whole lot.

701
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I usually roost pretty you know.

702
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I don't do much of that. We just

703
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: go out and listen in the morning and get in tight.

704
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is awesome because every morning's kind of a

705
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: new morning. I've always liked just that excitement, Like no,

706
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: when I'm seventy one hundred yards on a bird and

707
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: I liked I always like to look at and like, oh,

708
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna pitch here, and like guess, and I guess

709
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: ninety percent wrong, But I still like that game. But

710
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: there I was able to We went out listen. We

711
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: had a couple of different birds. We had one close,

712
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: and so we didn't He didn't only gobbled once. Early

713
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: we had to go set up in the dark, and sure,

714
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: sure enough, as it started to get daylight, he was

715
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: sixty yards away in a tree. We had already set

716
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: our hen out there, not in the right spot for

717
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: what we wanted, and three jakes fly down first. I'm like, oh, no,

718
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: he's just holding up up there like maybe he doesn't

719
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: want to fly down because of these jakes. He doesn't

720
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: want to get bullied around. So we sit there for

721
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. We're just gobbling up there in the tree.

722
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: And we sit there for forty minutes after the jakes

723
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: have flown down, gobbling in the tree, and at about

724
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm guessing fifty fifty five minute mark, and these jakes

725
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: are just at full strut under his tree. So it

726
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: almost looks like they're waiting for him to come down

727
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: and they're gonna whip his butt. You know, we had

728
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: that hen decoy. I don't know exactly what's going through

729
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: their head, but so they were just puffed up under

730
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: his tree for fifty minutes, fifty.

731
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: Yards from shutting in the tree basically.

732
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, two hens fly down and

733
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: hit the jakes. We're like, oh boy, it's about ready

734
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: to happen. And what I think happened is why we

735
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: were setting our decoys up, and I was being a

736
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: dummy because I didn't think that that bird was that close.

737
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: I had like a spidercum land and I was trying

738
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: to like move my gun barrel around and loaded my shells,

739
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: and I think he just got nervous like he wasn't.

740
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: We didn't spook him enough that he just flew out it,

741
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, and just fly away. But we knew something,

742
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: and I think even his hens knew something, even though

743
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: they were even deeper than the Jakes. And those hens

744
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 1: flew down and I was keep my eyes on her.

745
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: They flew into the jakes, and then you could see

746
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: they kind of like, did the scurry walk away from us?

747
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: Dead away from us.

748
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh boy, they just knew someone.

749
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that bird it's the ground. I let him

750
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: take about two steps and clear everything. I'm like, I

751
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. And so was shot that bird.

752
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: So I you know, if it wasn't for an hour

753
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: of him hanging up in a tree, you I wouldn't

754
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: have huntred for very long. But we were able to

755
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: get that one killed. And then we actually we went

756
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: and did a cold sit on a on a field

757
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: where we know two big birds had been frequenting and

758
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: we only been we only been set up for half

759
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: an hour. Set it just to Dave Dave Smith decoy

760
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: a hand out there maybe forty yards from us, a

761
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: little bit further, but we wanted him to pull our

762
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: attention off of the edge, and all of a sudden

763
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: and they're coming, two big giant birds, like old old birds,

764
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: big old paint brushes.

765
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: On him, and the sire.

766
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: To be able to get him coming to decoys. But

767
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: then the bird, the non strutter, he came over and

768
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: started to mess with the big bird, and he did

769
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: it at the wrong time. He needed to do it,

770
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: like ten yards later, because as soon as they started

771
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: to tussle up and wrap next and kind of messed

772
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: with each other, they just went straight to our left

773
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: at sixty yards and a little too far to shoot,

774
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and so we had to let that bird go. They

775
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: were active in the morning, but you needed once again,

776
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: you really needed to be in the way where they

777
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: wanted to go. Later in that hunt, we got some

778
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: really good action. A tom actually pulled off of his hens,

779
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: came into us, but once again saw something that decoy

780
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: he didn't necessarily like and exited at about fifty yards

781
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: and just not quite The guy I was hunting with

782
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: wasn't quite comfortable shooting there. But yeah, we don't need

783
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: to tell the whole entire hunt, but it was just

784
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: one of those things where Easterns are stubborn, and I'm

785
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: starting to really unlike them, especially now that you know,

786
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: I only had a two day break and was able

787
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: to come out here and hunt Mariam's I'm like, man,

788
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: this is way better for the most part. You know

789
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: the answer. They're more huntable. You can, you know, get

790
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: back on him at three o'clock in the afternoon and

791
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: they'll stip, you know, typically start gobbling.

792
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: Again, versus we have to train you enjoy being in

793
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: two Yeah.

794
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: And those birds in Kansas, they would just gobble half

795
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: hour in the morning, half hat night. That was all

796
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: you're getting out of them all day. So real, real frustrating.

797
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna jump more into a Washington focus. Now

798
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: let's do a little update here. First thing we need

799
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: to mention is it is hot. Yes, it is hot.

800
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: We we're hitting what mid eighties.

801
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're only a couple of days into this high

802
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: pressure and it's had its effect for sure.

803
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: Yep. And give us a little of your I'll call

804
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: it your opinion, but it's also probably pretty factual. Since

805
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: you've been out here doing this enough, you talk about

806
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: like three days in a row is what you like

807
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: to see, no matter what it is. But it needs

808
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: to be three days and then maybe not this hot.

809
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:35,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

810
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I've experienced this so many different times over

811
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: the years. It's not even funny and it's realistic to me.

812
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: So we'll call it my science if you want. But

813
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 3: anytime we've seen a pressure drop or pressure change, whether

814
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 3: it's going into a high pressure or a low pressure,

815
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: if it's extreme like this is. You know, we just

816
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: went from fifties to low sixties at the most, and

817
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 3: then we jumped straight into this high pressure of upper

818
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: seventies and hitting eighties. And what I've always experienced when

819
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 3: that happens, whether it's either direction, you know, it usually

820
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: takes a good three days minimum before things really get

821
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: back to normal and birds start becoming extremely workable. You

822
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: can still kill a bird. Obviously we did it, but

823
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: it took a lot of work. It took more work

824
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: than it normally does. Now we've been trying to tell Jason,

825
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: this is not normal, this is not what we normally

826
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: experience it.

827
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: It's got to get better.

828
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: And what I found, it's always about a three day mark,

829
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: and that's just way. Whether it's bad weather, you can'

830
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 3: three days boom, doesn't matter. If it's still bad as

831
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: long as you slipt into it for three days or so.

832
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and we'll roll into that a little bit

833
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: not what I'm used to, So I hunt a different

834
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: area typically, I haven't been in this area, and I'm

835
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: a little I'm a little shocked at how much contrast

836
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: there is to my normal spot and in the way.

837
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: So I still think this is pretty dang good hunting.

838
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: These guys are telling me this is nothing like it

839
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: normally is. So I'm excited to see if maybe this

840
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: high pressure holds for a couple more days and we

841
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: can experience that, you know, third and fourth day, even

842
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: the fifth day before we head out a camp, and

843
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: see if those birds really turn it on.

844
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. So we're hoping too.

845
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: On this hunt. The nine ams and this is we've

846
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: always talked about this. If you listened to almost any

847
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance podcast, you know we always joke about

848
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: the old timers saying, you you young guns, young guys

849
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: can go go hunt those birds off the roofs and

850
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: I'll go kill them. At nine o'clock. You know, I'm

851
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna eat breakfast. So nine AM and the three paid

852
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: the three pm kind of the spark, you know, Yeah,

853
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: it's the time to be out there. It really is.

854
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Get on those critters. And the nine am to me

855
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. You know, hens are gonna

856
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: go lay on their nest, go lay their eggs, and

857
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: those toms find themselves lonely.

858
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

859
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: The three pm spark is a little bit more interesting

860
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: to me. It's like, I don't know if it's a

861
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: temperature thing. If it's a the sun's getting low enough. Finally,

862
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: like why three pm? Because I'm not going to lie

863
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: Like my sweatometer says that three pm is still damn hot.

864
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: It's the hottest it's been all day at three pm,

865
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: and these birds are starting to fire off at three

866
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: three point thirty.

867
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

868
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: Well, the other good thing about when you have this

869
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: kind of a high pressure is we can kind of

870
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: predict they're not going to go sit in it. So

871
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: look we did yesterday, we moved to a different area.

872
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: I knew that area is going to be a little

873
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: bit cooler in general. But that three o'clock timeframe has

874
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: just been golden for a lot of years that I

875
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: can always think of it. Birds are usually out and

876
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: they've spent their day eating, and now it's heading towards

877
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: their thought process, in my opinion, is you know, we're

878
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: going to be start starting to gather up, and a

879
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: lot of times you're just going to see Tom's out

880
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: there by themselves and they've lost their hands for most

881
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: of the day, but they want to gather back up

882
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: with them so they can you know, have their way

883
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: first thing in the morning. And if you're a hen

884
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: that's kind of starting to talk around that time of day,

885
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: you're probably looking to gather up with them.

886
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Yep.

887
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: And so then were't have to come in.

888
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had great hunts. Well, I killed my bird

889
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: about nine am years was a little later than three

890
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: m But we got on a bird and worked the

891
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: bird yesterday for hour and a half. Yeah, probably yesterday,

892
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: right at three o'clock, I think, I yeah, yeah, I

893
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: think I got picked off. You know. It was it

894
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: was some up and down cliffy country, you know, a

895
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: little bit steep elevations, and it was I think we

896
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: just got caught guessing he was a little bit further,

897
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: but we still worked him for a bit and then yeah,

898
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I was able to get into a different bird later.

899
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: So pressuring pressured birds here, you start to realize whether

900
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, I know you're good. I think I'm pretty

901
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: good hit this thing. But we were starting to realize,

902
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: like pressuring pressured birds, no matter how good you are,

903
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: we're running into some struggles, right. They don't want to

904
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: play the game. They don't want to turn around. We

905
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: watched a couple of birds through the binos come down

906
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: a uh you know, by themselves, one really big bird.

907
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: It looked like maybe at a jake with them in tow.

908
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: They didn't gobble at all. Coming back nine o'clock, we

909
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: we did some calling. They did gobble once I take.

910
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: The one back on their own. We didn't evene.

911
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far away from one of my calls on

912
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: either side as it could get, just for sure literally

913
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: just gobbled on his own. But it's just weird. We

914
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: were we were I wouldn't say were in their zone,

915
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: but we were with an earshot where two birds without

916
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: a hen should answer any any hint call and nothing.

917
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: And and we tried resetting up, we went to multiple

918
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: different spots, just could not get a peep out of

919
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: them talk And so we've talked about it about this afternoon,

920
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: like we just need to go find a spot where

921
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: maybe somebody hasn't talked to a bird yet or a

922
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: bird that want you know, very very few people have

923
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: talked to. So, yeah, we're we're dealing with some pressured

924
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: birds here. Turkey hunting is very popular, and uh it's

925
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: it's you know, for for good reason. There's it's there's

926
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: some really really good turkey hunting here, but uh, there's

927
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: there's also a lot of hunters.

928
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: We've seen quite a few boots on the road. That's

929
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: a good indicator. You got pressure.

930
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, pressure. So we're dealing with that. And our way

931
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: to deal with that is we said, put a lot

932
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: of boot you know, boot in and try to get

933
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: to some birds or think a little bit outside the box, like,

934
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, are there short little hikes that maybe don't

935
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: have good access or you know, little chunks you can

936
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: get into on ag edge, whatever it may be, like,

937
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: try to find that little you know, diamond in the Reugh.

938
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll look for the easy roads in look for

939
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: the stuff that's gonna take effort that yep, a lot

940
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: of people don't want to put that effort into it.

941
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit. We we kind of started

942
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: going down that path about you know, we worked our

943
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: tail off to even locate my bird but then in

944
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: my in my mind, the approach to my bird was

945
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: a little bit different than what most people would have,

946
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, do, and it goes back to don't do

947
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: what a typical hunter would do. So we were climbing

948
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: up a very steep, real good looking ridge. Turkeys had

949
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: been on that ridge, real grassy. Get to the top

950
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: located bird across the canyon, the big canyon. We were

951
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: climbing up. All right, he's there, gobbled a couple times.

952
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: He was just on the ridge we were on too.

953
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: He's been moving, yeah, and so we know we know

954
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: where he's at. We get up, we climb. Someone said,

955
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: there's a road up there another fifty yards. Yeah, we

956
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: get to the road, and at that very point, it

957
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: would have been very easy to walk that road directly

958
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: to his gobble.

959
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, it would have been the fastest, easy.

960
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: And like most people would have got there and been like, oh,

961
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: this road leads right to the ridge that he's on.

962
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: You know, the only problem was you get down there

963
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: about four five hundred yards and you're going to be

964
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: completely exposed to the ridge that he was on, and

965
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: if he looks out there sees you anything's up, or

966
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: if you try to call to him and like, really

967
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: get his eyes over to that road anywhere in between. Yeah,

968
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: the gigs up. You're not going to call a burden

969
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: that's seen you.

970
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: He might gobble, but he's probably not gonna come.

971
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: He's not going to come in. So we look at

972
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: it and we're like, oh man, we got to climb

973
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: the next little knob and the next little knob, and

974
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: we got to stay rolled over so he can't see

975
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: us or hear us. And then we get to the

976
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: end and once again, it would have been very easy

977
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: to just track and hit the road just a little

978
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: bit further back, but yeah, we had to. You know,

979
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: it was put your hoods on everything, and it was

980
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: one of those just dry sticks snapping and crunching and cracking. Yeah,

981
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: but we did it on just enough, I think on

982
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: the backside that you know, it wasn't right in his face,

983
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: and we we took the absolute hardest route to get there.

984
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: But the nice thing was when we finally did hit

985
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: the road, we knew we were behind his ridge, we

986
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: were out of his eyesight, we were out of everything,

987
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: and we got to that point without screwing it up

988
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: exactly where we could have screwed it up real bad.

989
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: And he heard our call on that other ridge yep,

990
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: and then he never saw anybody else, and the next

991
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: time he heard our call it was closer to him.

992
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: So it was just I don't like, I don't want

993
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: to necessarily say we did something that not everybody else

994
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: would do. But I think a lot of people would

995
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: have just walked that road. And so it's just going

996
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: that extra step making sure that you don't screw up

997
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: the you know, the opportunity that you have and keep

998
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: it intact right. It's yeah, if you if you blow

999
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: it up early, then you might as well not even

1000
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: walk over there. So keep it in tack.

1001
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look how many miles we put into it.

1002
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, do we want to give up

1003
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: going the best possible route after all these miles.

1004
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: No, let's give it every ounce we got ye paid.

1005
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: Off, so we'll follow that up. So we get there.

1006
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: He gobbles to the woodpecker call. We didn't we were.

1007
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: It was that's one of those times where not blowing

1008
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: a turkey calls like one of the few good times,

1009
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Like we want to ye a little bit of that

1010
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: shock and awe. You don't want to necessarily disclose your location,

1011
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: because he doesn't know there's a hin here right now.

1012
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: We would pick her call from the road answers, some

1013
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: of them has been there, so he we didn't have

1014
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: to look at on X or anything. We just know

1015
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: go down there. We got on his ridge, get set up,

1016
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk a little bit about certain

1017
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: calls here on the box call on your bird, but

1018
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: on this bird. I think I yelped a little bit

1019
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: on my my mouth call and I'm like, huh nothing,

1020
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: nothing well John, and John starts the olp, and sometimes

1021
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: I think he does this just so he can say

1022
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: a bird answered, maybe not you, but no, we we

1023
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: call a little bit. We call a little bit different,

1024
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: different pitches different, I mean, and the bird hammers back

1025
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: at him. I'm like, all right, I'm not calling for

1026
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: my bird, own bird in you know. It's like I

1027
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: didn't want to, but it's like I'm just done calling it.

1028
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: We want to kill this bird.

1029
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we set up at a tree,

1030
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: we get all set up, we put the we didn't

1031
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: have to, so we get all set up. Someone drops back.

1032
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: So we were at a weird spot where this ridge

1033
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: line trail split. So we set up.

1034
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: This is sharp ridge too. There was a lot of room.

1035
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: Now this is a.

1036
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: Great segue into my next point, but we might as

1037
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: well rolled in. We set up at an angle, right yeah,

1038
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: This bird was not gonna walk a lot of a

1039
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of people, even myself. The first your instinct is

1040
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: to set up right here because you can see down

1041
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: the ridge. But guess what, when that turkey gets visible

1042
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: and you can see it, it can see you, and

1043
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of chance for stuff to go wrong.

1044
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: After he's gonna pick.

1045
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna pick something out. So we've set up at

1046
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: an angle. Set up at an angle that gives you

1047
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: the ability to shoot both trails, both angles, and keep

1048
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: his eyes off of you.

1049
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: Right yeah.

1050
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: We want to try to get that ninety degree angle

1051
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: if we can possibly somehow. If you're using the decoy,

1052
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: it's even better. And you know, putting that decoy out

1053
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: where if he's gonna see it, he's also shootable at

1054
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: the same time, but just don't have him coming straight

1055
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 3: into you with his eyes.

1056
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: And one thing we've did with the decoy the first

1057
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: the first evening and then this morning we brought one

1058
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: is set that decoy up so that you don't believe

1059
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna be in it's its line of sight when

1060
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: it does see it, because if you're behind it, the

1061
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: idea of the decoy is to take his eyes away

1062
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: from you, right. But I've seen a lot of people

1063
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: set up where they're like straight line with their decoy

1064
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: where they expect that bird to come. It's like, no,

1065
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: set that thing off at a forty five degree to

1066
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: your left from where you think the bird's gonna come,

1067
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: and let it see the decoy before it sees you.

1068
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: That way. Is he comes around, it gives you a

1069
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: chance to move your gun whatever it may be. But yeah, yeah,

1070
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: don't don't set that bird up.

1071
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: Line up.

1072
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: But that's that's a good point. Don't line up with it,

1073
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: and that does happen. I've had people send me a text, man,

1074
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: I just made a classic mistake. I lined up right

1075
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: behind the deep Yeah busted.

1076
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: So it's instinctive though a little bit right, And if

1077
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: you don't think about it, you're like, well, the bird's

1078
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: coming this way, I want this decoy towards him. And

1079
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: then you go straight behind it and you're just in line.

1080
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people get picked off,

1081
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of or a lot of

1082
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: people say like, oh, I didn't you know, like I

1083
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: just told the story. I didn't like my decoy. It's well,

1084
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe didn't like seeing the you know, your face behind it,

1085
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: or the shine of your gun. You never know what.

1086
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: So back to my spur. We get set up, Smoe

1087
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: set up behind us. You're set up to my right.

1088
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: I think you yellped a couple more times, and he

1089
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: gobbles twice from down low and uh, me and you

1090
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: were kind of besting at the tree, like wow, we

1091
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: don't want to have to keep pulling gobbles out of him,

1092
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: and you know, you're you don't want to have to

1093
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: force everything. And I think we just get done finishing

1094
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: up that conversation. And and he's right, He's he's in.

1095
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: You can tell there's no more timber between him and us.

1096
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: He cut the distance in half that.

1097
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: You were like, all right, he's here. So I clicked

1098
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: my safe and uh, we're waiting. Then I can see

1099
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: he comes. I could see his head bobbing from the right.

1100
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: We can hear him spinning drip yeah, sin, yeah, I

1101
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: forgot yeah. We I I evidently assume everybody's deaf when

1102
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: we're calling birds. And I'm like John, you hear him spinning, Yeah,

1103
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I hear him spinning. I just thought you might not

1104
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: get loud. So he shows up, and we were hoping

1105
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: he comes a little bit like straight down my barrel

1106
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: like at twelve o'clock, which we just said we don't

1107
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: want to do, but this is pretty.

1108
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: Much we wanted to see him. His head come up

1109
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: going towards it.

1110
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he comes up more like at my two

1111
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: o'clock and works towards my twelve o'clock right, and I

1112
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: see his head bobbing about three steps, and then he

1113
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: gets to a spot and anybody a ton of turkey's

1114
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: on if you just read their their mannerisms, and his

1115
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: head goes blink straight up, turn to the left towards us,

1116
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: and pow yep, And he was about thirty yards and

1117
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: I knew he killed him. And then all of a sudden,

1118
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I hear John say, I don't know if I could

1119
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: see him very well, and I'm like, oh, dang it,

1120
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: because I I just soon because I had such a

1121
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: good view that. But anyways, it was it was a

1122
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: great hunt.

1123
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: It was a good setup.

1124
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: We did everything right, you know, and we didn't overcall him.

1125
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: He did what a bird's supposed to do with everybody

1126
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 3: hopes and yeah, I mean for filming wise, I was

1127
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: on your right. If i'd been on your left, that

1128
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: I would have seen him perfectly like you. But I mean,

1129
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: we're still going to see him through the shrub. He

1130
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: stopped right behind that shrub and stuck his head O.

1131
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, great hunt. We couldn't have killed him at a

1132
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: higher elevation. Yeah, the tippy top peak of the whole place.

1133
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: But it was cool furthest away highest top yep.

1134
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: That we Yeah, we talked about setting up at an

1135
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: angle which I really wanted to cover, which simple did

1136
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: a lot on this, And then last night on Your

1137
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Bird we jumped in an area we've already mentioned. It

1138
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: was cooler, little flatter. We needed a little break after

1139
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: getting my maps, my bird all the way back to camp.

1140
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: I do want to don't call me a wop, but

1141
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: I just want to say, packing a twenty ish pound

1142
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: bird for four miles on a on a shoulder sling,

1143
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: it becomes very uncomfortable.

1144
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: Sure it does.

1145
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: That's my complaint of the day. I'll take it every day.

1146
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: I'd rather take that that complaining. But so we get

1147
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: your bird located after you knew there was kind of

1148
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: a little honey hole at the back end of this

1149
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: public piece. We get back there, we got some birds

1150
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: answering way down, like we're not going to make a

1151
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: plan on them this late, and we just get to

1152
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: the edge and we get hit by two birds.

1153
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: One just said too, wouldn't it be nice we could

1154
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: kill a bird with this view? And I'm like, yeah,

1155
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: that's it was. It was beautiful, that's the goal.

1156
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: We get hit by two birds to one of John's

1157
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: and so remember this little point. John yelps with a

1158
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: mouth call and we get a bird to answer straight

1159
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: ahead and probably at nine o'clock to our left, and

1160
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: just to set the scene, they're probably over a forty

1161
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: five degree slope, like very steep. Yeah, it was very

1162
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: very steep off the edge. And so we get set

1163
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: up real quick and get everything ready and I didn't

1164
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: have the greatest setup, and you guys kind of just

1165
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: kneeled behind an old root wad that it fell over.

1166
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: We may do. We thought it would be if those

1167
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: birds can came in on a string, it would have

1168
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: just been close shooting. We would have been able to

1169
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: kill him when they showed up. Yeah, I believe the

1170
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: bird that was straight ahead of us actually starts to

1171
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: work to the right, but we cannot get this dang

1172
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: bird to answer.

1173
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he answered once to my original call. We knew,

1174
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: and we had two of him because one was a

1175
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: little left, one was a little right. Yep, And he

1176
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: answered me that one time, and that was pretty much it.

1177
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: But we knew he was there.

1178
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we're set up and John's yelping on

1179
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: his mouth call and I can kind of see the frustration.

1180
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: You just shake your head. You're like, now they're dang

1181
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: hind up bird or just a bird doesn't want to

1182
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: play the game, and you kind of I'm always hesitanting

1183
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have necessarily did this anyways, but you

1184
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: look at me and kind of pointed my box call,

1185
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: get your box call out like that. What so here

1186
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: me being real nervous, I'm like, I'm just all just

1187
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: call real quiet, just real light pressure. And I probably

1188
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: I just did a real short, not a long, maybe

1189
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: five yelps, pretty soft, and yeah, they hammered, like cut

1190
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: the end of it off, and I'm that worked.

1191
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: They're almost going away, yeah, until you did that.

1192
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it pulls him up. It pulled him

1193
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: up to our elevation. But now these birds were quite

1194
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: a bit to our right. But we had a real

1195
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: good like on the rim of this drop off, was

1196
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: was real clean. We're sitting there and I accidentally kind

1197
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: of squawked my box a little. You know, you're trying

1198
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: to keep that thing box quiet, and you look at

1199
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: me and shake your head, yeah, like go ahead and

1200
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: do it. And that wasn't I didn't mean to ask you,

1201
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: but I kind of in around about.

1202
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm not whatever, it's gonna work.

1203
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: Hits the box again and so swipe it again, same thing,

1204
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: and then I think we'd be quiet. We we went

1205
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: pretty quiet there because he's real close at.

1206
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: That yeah, at that point, and then.

1207
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: We start to see three birds, and and you had

1208
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: made uh I'm either I heard you whisper to me

1209
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: or something like they're going to see you before they

1210
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: see me. And I'm like, so now I'm like tucked

1211
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: way into my tree. I got like half fly hanging out.

1212
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: But I do see three birds come in.

1213
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the angle that we're set up. We're

1214
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: set up at a good angle over us for filming,

1215
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: and I look over at you and I'm like, dang,

1216
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: he's yeah.

1217
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: Because the way I took the birds, if they would

1218
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: have came in straighted to our left, I would have

1219
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: never been picked. But they came to our right, which

1220
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: now like exposed me way before that.

1221
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: You get way before I, soom get exposed.

1222
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: So we're sitting there and I start to see the

1223
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: first bird come out, and I'm like, I don't see

1224
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: a beard, but I And at that point it was

1225
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: real sunny and shady and the sun was kind of

1226
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: setting weird, and I'm like, jake. I thought it was

1227
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: a jake, right, And then I see two birds come by,

1228
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, whoa. I one had a really big,

1229
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, beard, and then the other one came by

1230
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: and it looked really good. I'm all right, we got

1231
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: two toms and a jake is what I thought the

1232
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: whole time. Well, then they sit there and mess around

1233
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: on that top for a bit, and that hen turns

1234
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: towards like you know, they had heard a box call

1235
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: five minutes ago, but she turns directly towards us. Yeah,

1236
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: and takes off sprinting.

1237
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, oh boy.

1238
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: And there was a little dip between us about fifty

1239
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: yards out a pretty good brushy dip and then he

1240
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: got back up to that green grass and when she

1241
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: took off, both those toms took off down to the brush.

1242
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I hope they don't turn left

1243
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: in that little crick draw and get out of here.

1244
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're running. Are they scared? Are

1245
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: they running towards us? Like? What's going on? You know?

1246
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: I can start seeing heads bob over. Oh, here they come.

1247
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna be good.

1248
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like forty yard max to the minute

1249
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: they were showing up and get better after that.

1250
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: And uh, first bird goes through, I'm like, oh, let

1251
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: the jake go. And then the second bird I can

1252
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: see and I'm like, it looks like the real, you know,

1253
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: the good one. And I can hear. I could hear

1254
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 1: you before that tell some among something about which bird

1255
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: you were gonna shoot, but I couldn't hear. I can

1256
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: hear you guys chatting, and uh, the bird I was watching,

1257
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's taking John so long?

1258
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: Why is he not shooting with the big rope?

1259
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, that bird's just sitting there and uh,

1260
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: maybe something's in his way. You know. I don't got

1261
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: your perspective and uh, pow, and the bird I was

1262
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: watching flew off. I'm like, what, John, There's no way

1263
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: John missed. And Simona, even off camera, said I think

1264
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 1: you missed bad.

1265
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like he said, So I'm like, oh, man,

1266
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: you missed. I'm like, I didn't miss anything.

1267
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: We walked out there and there was some miscommunication. You

1268
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: had shot the bird in the back, which typically is

1269
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: the biggest uh tends to be for me, and and

1270
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: he got that bird in the middle to kind of

1271
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,240
Speaker 1: come out of strut a little bit. And so there's

1272
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, your bird was an old bird three years

1273
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: plus but great bird. Yeah, great bird, just uh, you know,

1274
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: he was a brawler, all tore up. But that was

1275
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: what I want to I told the story there a

1276
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: little bit, but really wanted to go back to Most

1277
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: people use box calls for locating birds windy days, high ridges,

1278
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: big country, and uh in that instance, I we've talked

1279
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: about the bird. I called him my wife or in

1280
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: for my wife, and click attap only would answer box call.

1281
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: I had to literally box call the thing into our

1282
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: lap and not necessarily box calls. But don't be afraid

1283
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: to try something different, try your you know, your crystal,

1284
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: your crystal pop call, Try your slate pot call, Try

1285
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: a different striker, try a box call. Try you know,

1286
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: if you have a diaphragm that you think is way

1287
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: too raspy and and not high enough pitch, try that

1288
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: and then go try your high pitched one. Yes, I've

1289
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: learned from hunting with Eric brought now hunting with you.

1290
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: Hunt with all of these guys that call different Chris Parrish.

1291
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: There are times where the way Chris Parish, which is surprising,

1292
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: you know, the way he calls, isn't what the want

1293
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: to hear that day.

1294
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a phenomenal call.

1295
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like it. He can do whatever he

1296
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: wants with a call. But yet that bird wanted, you know,

1297
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: somebody else's old raspy call, and that's a little slower

1298
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: cadence and a little louder, and it's just it's one

1299
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: of those things where just hit him with a lot

1300
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: and see if you've got something in your toolbox or

1301
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: your arsenal that's going to get him fired. That's right,

1302
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: something different.

1303
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was not shy to saying, hey, Jason, get

1304
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: the BAX call.

1305
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which I'm always has that there's you know,

1306
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: everybody's rando a box call those but some of you

1307
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: and you guys out there. One thing bad about a

1308
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: box call is it's the absolute maximum movement in order

1309
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: to get a turkey sound outs fact. Yeah, you know,

1310
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: diaphragms very little movement. Pop call, like I really only

1311
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: have to make a quarter inch circle with my fingers,

1312
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: but a box call, I'm having to move a paddle

1313
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: at least three inches minimum, and so there's a lot

1314
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: of movement. So I always get a little hesitant. But

1315
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: you either got to take the the little bit of

1316
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: risk that you might get saw versus the chance that

1317
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: none of your other calls are working right now on

1318
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: this bird.

1319
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 2: Yeah you're about to lose him.

1320
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So it's it's pulling out all the stops

1321
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: and yeah yeah, that was That was one thing that

1322
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: like it reiterated what I learned back and click attack,

1323
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: you know ten years ago my wife's bird is like,

1324
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: there are times where a box call needs to be

1325
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah, be used, and and it can be.

1326
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 3: A very box calls because it's really hard to beat

1327
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: a lot of times. I mean it wishould one with

1328
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 3: a good drop and you know, of course Jason was

1329
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: using a Phelps box call that kind of helped.

1330
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that uh that that box is sounded really good

1331
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: and we it They backed it up again this morning,

1332
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: and it maybe goes back to a little bit is

1333
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: don't be like all the other hunters. Yea, we use

1334
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: that box call more this morning, and you were just

1335
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: because it was something different. I bet you not everybody's

1336
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: throwing a box call at these birds and apparently once

1337
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: again the same as last night. I think it worked

1338
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: better getting birds to answer when we were like searching

1339
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: for that gobble or working down a ridge versus our

1340
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: mouth calling. So it's just you know, don't I guess

1341
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: the moral stories, don't be afraid to try something, you know,

1342
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: all the calls in your.

1343
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you may have a call you love to use,

1344
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: and it may always work in the past, but yeah,

1345
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: if a bird's not tune in into it and he's

1346
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: just not answering, pull out the next one, move on

1347
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 3: and keep trying.

1348
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna end up with

1349
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: a everybody's gonna stereotype me is like the guy that's

1350
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: definitely afraid of ticks. But I think you might have me.

1351
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna close on this. I I put

1352
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: a post on there on social media about promethrone and

1353
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: got I probably haven't got more questions on a specific topic.

1354
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you right now, I'm holding one in

1355
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: my hand. I'm waiting for this to get you. I

1356
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: could get rid of it.

1357
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, as I was getting all the podcast stuff set up,

1358
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: you pulled one off of my leg and we are

1359
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: to set the stage here. We're literally in a dirt

1360
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: camping spot.

1361
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: There's no hass, nothing near but dirt.

1362
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: You went to toss your carcass last night, YEA had

1363
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: six on the outside of your pants, and just I

1364
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't have said it because it probably made you more nervous.

1365
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, if you have six on the outside,

1366
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: image and then you trying to fall asleep. All I

1367
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: could hear was John over there yelling about ticks in

1368
00:57:59,320 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: his tent.

1369
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: I was like that, drop my pants now.

1370
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1371
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: I was plucking them off for like I don't even

1372
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: know thirty minutes. They were everywhere on my legs, and

1373
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 3: I was like, you gotta be kidding me.

1374
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you said you've never I've always gotten the

1375
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: ticks bat over here, But you said you've never experienced

1376
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: something like we've had the last couple of days.

1377
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 3: I've been walking through brush and always cutting the distance

1378
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 3: through all kinds of junk, and I've you know, yeah,

1379
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: randomly I'll get a tick, I mean with the permeter

1380
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: and it's you watch them climb a little ways and

1381
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 3: just fall off. But I'll tell you what, this is

1382
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: a whole new game right here. And we're just sitting

1383
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 3: on dirt and there constantly we're looking down like up

1384
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: here comes another one walking up my legs.

1385
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been so I'll just I'm gonna just do

1386
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: a quick recap on you know. Some of the people

1387
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 1: like where do you get it? What do you use?

1388
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: The two brands that I use and I use them

1389
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: interchangeably is repel or Sawyer. And I like to use

1390
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: the aerosol. I don't like to use the spray or

1391
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: like a squirt bottle. You know, I use squirt bottle.

1392
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: So I just used the aerosol. It's I think it

1393
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: usually comes and mix it like a half percent. Yeah,

1394
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm not here to give any advice, like

1395
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: there is some you know, promethrone is a poison, so

1396
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: do all your own due the euligence, like make sure

1397
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: you do not put it on your Skin's right. It

1398
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: needs to be put on your clothes and it needs

1399
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: to be allowed to dry.

1400
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, your socks too, up socks.

1401
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing I would just recommend. I know

1402
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: you guys aren't hunting gaters, but like, I think I'm

1403
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: faring a little bit better. You and smell have had

1404
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: a few more on you know, get inside your pants.

1405
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: Like the gators are hot when it's eighty five, but

1406
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just avoiding dealing with them up my

1407
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: pants right now.

1408
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: You are, I'll give you that. I can't stand it

1409
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: when it's this hot and wearing gaters all the time.

1410
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I'm definitely picking more ticks off the

1411
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: inside of my.

1412
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: You are you? Oh?

1413
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: I got to tick crowl up my boot right now.

1414
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: I'm telling you we're recording. I know I have one

1415
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 3: inside my pants on my leg right now. I'm holding

1416
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 3: it with my hands because I'm talking through a microphone

1417
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 3: with the other one.

1418
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: All right, well, I that No, we're on day two

1419
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: a day four of our washing the hunt. I appreciate

1420
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: having you on, John balth and knowledge when it comes

1421
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: to turkeys and uh, I want to I want to

1422
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: recognize you do a lot with the veterans, a lot

1423
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: with the youth. Can't thank you enough for for what

1424
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: you do for people that want to get out and

1425
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: experience an awesome Turkey hunt.

1426
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 3: So really by giving back, you know, we have a

1427
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 3: good time doing ourselves, but you get to a point

1428
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: where you just want to get back, and that that's

1429
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: important for all of us. So take a kid out,

1430
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: take a veteran out, take somebody out that's never hunted.

1431
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: Do whatever you gotta do to spread the sport.

1432
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: We need everybody out there.

1433
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we appreciate it. Thanks for having Thanks for hunting

1434
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: with me this week. It's been been a blast. We're

1435
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: not even close to being done yet, so we're going

1436
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: to thank If you want to find out more about John,

1437
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: follow him on Instagram Northwest fur Chasers. The guy spends

1438
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: a ton of time out in the Turkey woods and

1439
01:00:47,680 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: knows this stuff. Thanks Sean and a