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Speaker 1: Anyway, this is the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: am Renee Stubs. It's a little jet lagged, a little tied.

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Speaker 1: It's been a tough week, Caitlin. As anybody that follows

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Speaker 1: the pod knows what happened to my mum. So it's

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Speaker 1: a it's been a tough week. But I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: it's good to see your friend. We're talking to each

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Speaker 1: other on zoom. Caitlyn Thompson in New York City. Caitlan, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a great one woman. Oh my goodness. We had

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Speaker 1: some great matches throughout those that you know, one final

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Speaker 1: was amazing, the other one not so much. But let's

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get into it all. I really

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Speaker 2: appreciated the fact that I feel like there were a

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Speaker 2: lot of new watchers of this year because everyone was

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Speaker 2: talking about how chaotic it was. They're like, oh, this

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Speaker 2: woman is so chaotic, got all of these seeds, and

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Speaker 2: it's like, have you not ever seen like this happens

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Speaker 2: every year? This is this is carnage, you know. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it was great to get the on the scene report

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Speaker 2: from you and our friend Andrea Petkovich after the first

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Speaker 2: week talking about some of those crazy upsets. Why maybe

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Speaker 2: Coco losing early was not a crazy upset. Just you know,

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Speaker 2: this is part of it, right, Like grass is the

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Speaker 2: most unpredictable surface and we get a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: interesting results. That's said to have Cinner and Alcoraz in

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Speaker 2: the final on the men's side was something that a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, probably before the tournament would have said,

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Speaker 2: to see Good in the final not the craziest thing.

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Speaker 2: She was, after all, coming in a five time grandsime

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Speaker 2: in grandson finals maybe just not this one. Amanda nisi Mova, Yes,

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Speaker 2: to say, anything strike you in the run up to

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Speaker 2: sliding doors moment. You know, one timeline goes one way.

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Speaker 2: The other timeline goes another way. Obviously, we can talk

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Speaker 2: lot of people thought would win this tournament losing to

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Speaker 2: before we get into those last matches that we just

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Speaker 2: watched Saturday and Sunday on the singles, what were your

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean talk about sliding doors moment. You're so right, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean the you know, the thing that changed in

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Speaker 1: the universe in that match. Now, do we know that

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Speaker 1: Gregor Dimitrov was going to win in three sets and

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Speaker 1: we think that Cine might have come back, We don't know.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is he was down two sets of

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Speaker 1: When he ended up getting through that match and I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a really long life asking me that question.

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Speaker 1: And there's there's absolutely no one out there that's an

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Speaker 1: that's genetics, that's life, that's getting older, and that's these

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Speaker 2: I was like what Yeah, and then become Venus Williams,

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Speaker 2: I think for me, the the Novak Djokovic, you know,

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Speaker 2: but it does definitely feel like the page has been turned,

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Speaker 2: but really like it doesn't come down to much.

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Speaker 1: Well, one thing I do want to say in stress

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Speaker 1: before we get to the women's what an incredible two

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Speaker 1: men we have at the top of the men's game.

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Speaker 1: Dear Lloyd. That speech that jani'sinner gave after the French Open,

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Speaker 1: we talked about it was extraordinary. I've never felt worse

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Speaker 1: for a tennis player than I did that day when

435
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Speaker 1: Yanick lost that match, having three match points and serving

436
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Speaker 1: for the title and all the things, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: what a gracious speech he got off there, particularly after

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Speaker 1: the one the day before, which wasn't so gracious from

439
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Speaker 1: a little bil Russian. But Yannick gets up there after

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Speaker 1: and he's so exemplary in this speech and congratulates Carlos

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Speaker 1: and his team and thanks his team for getting to

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Speaker 1: the final, and it was a great effort. It was

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Speaker 1: just like it was the most amazing speech. And I

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Speaker 1: just feel like when we saw the speeches from the

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Speaker 1: two of them yesterday after women that he was like, oh,

446
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Speaker 1: thank god, you two are going to save men's tennis

447
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Speaker 1: for twenty years. This is awesome.

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Speaker 2: It's true. And it was looking real dicey there with

449
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Speaker 2: the Sandwich generation of you know, Medvedev, who I love,

450
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Speaker 2: but you know he's mercurial, mercurial, it's Verev, you know,

451
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Speaker 2: which you know, the less said about the better dommy team,

452
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Speaker 2: who's you know already in the ranks that they're retired,

453
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Speaker 2: and Tisipas, who you know, is sort of out on

454
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Speaker 2: a great spiritual walk about at the moment, and so

455
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Speaker 2: like for me, just like this idea that these guys

456
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Speaker 2: have come along and like just in time, it's sort

457
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Speaker 2: of reminiscent of before, you know, before fetter and adults

458
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Speaker 2: started winning everything, there was a real crisis in men's tennants,

459
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Speaker 2: basically post agacy, like between two thousand and like two

460
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Speaker 2: thousand and five or so, like who's going to take

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Speaker 2: it up? The women were overshadowing them, you know. It

462
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Speaker 2: was really like, oh wow. And that's certainly the feeling

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Speaker 2: that I think a lot of us have had the

464
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Speaker 2: last couple of years, where it's like, oh, well, the

465
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Speaker 2: women's game, it's like, actually much more interesting, And here's

466
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Speaker 2: come along these two guys in the early twenties and like,

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Speaker 2: let's see what happens for the thint twenty years.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard to it against either of them. And

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Speaker 1: I loved him. It is a little bit more like

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Speaker 1: he was like, come on, crowd, give me some love,

471
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Speaker 1: giving me some love a little bit today. I just

472
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Speaker 1: love that they're both so different. They're so different, but

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Speaker 1: they are two of the nicest guys you will ever

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Speaker 1: ever ever meet. So I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put any negative note in here,

476
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Speaker 2: but do you want to address the fact that Nick

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Speaker 2: Curious tweeted an asterisk? I have no, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to even talk about that. I don't need

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Speaker 1: to give that time.

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Speaker 2: Great, she's reclaiming her time, folks, I.

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Speaker 1: Am reclaiming my time. Let's talk about the ladies.

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Speaker 2: Claiming your time. To talk about the ladies. Where to start?

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Speaker 1: Let's start with how incredible tournament Amanda Anissa overhad Okay

484
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Speaker 1: before we get to the final, to have achieved what

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Speaker 1: she's achieved after taking a mental breakaway from sport after

486
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Speaker 1: the loss of her father at such a young age,

487
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Speaker 1: who was her mentor her coach, and having lost a

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Speaker 1: parent in the last week and a bit, I'll tell

489
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Speaker 1: you what to do it at that age. Incredible that

490
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Speaker 1: she's been able to even come back and be the

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Speaker 1: person that she is and she is a really really

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Speaker 1: sweet girl and to come back after having that break

493
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Speaker 1: and to get herself into these positions is awesome. She's

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Speaker 1: one of WT one thousand this year. She's had a

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Speaker 1: great year so far. And to beat Sabalanka in that

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Speaker 1: semi final and get through the matches that she did,

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Speaker 1: zudos dude finals of Queens look Out. She's back and

498
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Speaker 1: she's in the top ten and that's where she deserves

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Speaker 1: to be because she's that good.

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Speaker 2: And you know, like I was saying in the in

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Speaker 2: the beginning moments of the show today, you know, if

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Speaker 2: anybody started to play at Queen's which was the tournament

503
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Speaker 2: immediately preceding womenon where she gets to the finals and

504
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Speaker 2: went down to Taitana Maria who was summoning like true grass,

505
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Speaker 2: you know, excellence. This is somebody who had was very

506
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Speaker 2: comfortable on the surface and had gone through a murderer's

507
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Speaker 2: row of really great players on her way to the finals.

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Speaker 2: Like that was incredibly well deserved in terms of her.

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Speaker 2: You know, her was obviously semi final against Sabolenka, who

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Speaker 2: I think again a lot of us thought was her

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Speaker 2: tournament to capture, especially after having lost to like very

512
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Speaker 2: tough in the in the preceding two slams, one to

513
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Speaker 2: Madison Keys that sam is the Australian, the other to

514
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Speaker 2: Coco in the finals of the French But you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's maybe start there.

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Speaker 1: But see, the thing is Sabalanca is, look, you have

517
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Speaker 1: to pick her everywhere she goes, because she's been so

518
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Speaker 1: consistently good at the Grand Slams as well. But I

519
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Speaker 1: just I don't feel like she moves well enough on grass,

520
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Speaker 1: and you have to be able to move. Listen, she

521
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Speaker 1: has the weapon. So yes, you can hit anyone off

522
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Speaker 1: the court and not move that well. There's been a

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Speaker 1: couple of won the tournament and that's the case. But

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Speaker 1: if you look traditionally at the winners of Wimbledon in

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Speaker 1: women's singles, they're very athletic, very athletic, and so if

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Speaker 1: you're not serving someone off the court and crushing every

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Speaker 1: single ball, which so Abalanka can do, you've still got

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Speaker 1: to be able to manage the footwork and you've got

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Speaker 1: to manage those little things. And if she gets a

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Speaker 1: bit off balance on grass, you can see it a

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Speaker 1: lot more than you can on a hard court, for example,

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Speaker 1: where she can just push off and be so much

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Speaker 1: more aggressive, and clay she might get a little bit

534
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Speaker 1: more time to get somewhere right. So I think on grushy,

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Speaker 1: just to me, she still looks uncomfortable moving on it,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that might be the difference, you know, with

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Speaker 1: her winning the tournament or not. If you look at

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Speaker 1: eger the way that Eager moves great on every surface, right,

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Speaker 1: it was just a matter of her being able to

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Speaker 1: you know, adjust with the forehand and you know, be

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Speaker 1: more aggressive with the serve. Which was clearly a positive

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Speaker 1: thing for her through this tournament. Her serving stats were

543
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Speaker 1: through the roof such good serving and that won or

544
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Speaker 1: a lot of matches and won them very easily. But

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Speaker 1: the heart of the court, the drier, the conditions, she

546
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Speaker 1: was always going to help her as well. And I

547
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Speaker 1: could see that through the week, and I thought she's

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Speaker 1: going to be the one look out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think also, you know, maybe having had

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Speaker 2: a rough kind of similar to what you were saying

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Speaker 2: about Center and demitrav like maybe having a rough eighteen

552
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Speaker 2: months where she didn't win a single tailor much as

553
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Speaker 2: her grandson Taylor, where she was really kind of in

554
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Speaker 2: the wilderness herself, sort of trying to figure out what

555
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Speaker 2: was going on, coming into a tournament that pretty much

556
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Speaker 2: nobody thought she was gonna have a chance in much

557
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Speaker 2: less win and then just being freed of pressure, free

558
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Speaker 2: to sort of focus on the things that she does

559
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: well helped a little bit by the hardness of the

560
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Speaker 2: court and the bounce. Yeah, it was like sort of

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Speaker 2: I would like to see this version of Ega more

562
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Speaker 2: where she doesn't look pained, she doesn't look stressed, she

563
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: doesn't look anxious, she doesn't look upset and she's just

564
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Speaker 2: moving well and playing free. I you know, I had

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Speaker 2: the chance to watch her when she was like really

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Speaker 2: really young, when she won the French Open Girls, and

567
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Speaker 2: I think that same year she won the Wimbledon Girls.

568
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: So you know, obviously like she can win on grass,

569
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Speaker 2: but she smiled on the court, and I just want

570
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Speaker 2: to sort of take a moment and say, like, what

571
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Speaker 2: a nice thing it was to see. And it was

572
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Speaker 2: really nice to see her dancing in the pictures with

573
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Speaker 2: NNIX Center or the Wimbledon ball. You know, like there

574
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Speaker 2: is something to the joyousness of release and relief, and

575
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Speaker 2: you know, I want to say that I like this

576
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Speaker 2: version of ego because it doesn't feel like you're watching

577
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Speaker 2: somebody play a pained way and it feels like, you know,

578
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: it was it was sort of it was a nice

579
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Speaker 2: thing to do. I mean, obviously when you're not being

580
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Speaker 2: pushed very hard, which she wasn't in her last two matches,

581
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Speaker 2: because not only did that Anissimova match go real fast,

582
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Speaker 2: the match she played before with Benchic, who's no slouch

583
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Speaker 2: like Belinda Benchich is you know, an elite player, She's

584
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Speaker 2: a gold medal in her closet, Like she went through

585
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Speaker 2: some incredibly tough matches to get to the to the Semis,

586
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Speaker 2: and you know, she didn't make much of a stand

587
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Speaker 2: against Ega either, So it wasn't so much Anisimova collapsing

588
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Speaker 2: in the final, although I definitely think the nerves and

589
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Speaker 2: the pressure got to her undoubtedly, but Eaga's level in

590
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Speaker 2: those last two matches was pretty unreal if if she

591
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Speaker 2: also pretty much blanked Benchitch at least in one of

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Speaker 2: those sets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, didn't somebody who beat Caroline to

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Speaker 1: police show over in the finals that royan oh and

595
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Speaker 1: one two with one of the biggest serves in the world,

596
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Speaker 1: and she played to get to the final, Like you know,

597
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Speaker 1: I know, rhyme's not like Wimbledon, but it's it's still

598
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Speaker 1: she can beat some of the best players in the

599
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Speaker 1: world like oh and one. There's a reason why we

600
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Speaker 1: like call it the Eagers. She onto you know, bake,

601
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like that's what she does when she's on.

602
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Speaker 1: It's like, look out. She's the most similar person and personality,

603
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Speaker 1: not playing style obviously, but just personality as Steffi Graff.

604
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Speaker 1: It's just like head down, momentum doesn't stop. You do

605
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Speaker 1: not take anything for granted, and you just keep going right.

606
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Speaker 1: And so that's the similarity for me with Steffy, with

607
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Speaker 1: Eager Shantek. But listen, even in the final, she didn't

608
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Speaker 1: waiver at all. She just kept doing the right thing.

609
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Speaker 1: And look, it's clear that Amanda was completely frozen in

610
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Speaker 1: the final. She was probably spent from when the semi

611
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Speaker 1: final came out in that match and just you know,

612
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Speaker 1: depleted and then also incredibly nervous. You could tell that

613
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Speaker 1: her movement was she wasn't the same mover. It was

614
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Speaker 1: like Eager would go and hear to ball and she

615
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: would just start moving to one side. There was no

616
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Speaker 1: sense of balance on the court. And I just thought, oh,

617
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Speaker 1: she's just she's just frozen. And it happens. It happens,

618
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Speaker 1: and she was exhausted and so she, without question will

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Speaker 1: learn from this and it will make her at a player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the idea for me that you know,

621
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Speaker 2: there's anything other than just like, let's applaud this girl

622
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Speaker 2: for what she's been through and how she as you

623
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Speaker 2: said at the top of the podcast, like you know,

624
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Speaker 2: you know what it is to lose a parent, especially

625
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Speaker 2: at a young age, that she did, like you know,

626
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Speaker 2: she's she's been, she's had a she's had a lot

627
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Speaker 2: of life, and I think for me, the idea that

628
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Speaker 2: she's back here at the highest levels of the game,

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Speaker 2: where I think a lot of us knew she always deserved.

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Speaker 2: To me, is a really lovely a lovely thing. Now

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Speaker 2: are we done talking about the women and any other

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Speaker 2: random observations.

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Speaker 1: I just she congrats to IgA. Was just awesome to

634
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Speaker 1: watch and I knew she could play well on grass

635
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Speaker 1: and she trusted herself and she did it.

636
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Speaker 2: So congrets to her. What are we doing that, Yolene asked,

637
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Speaker 2: the Pinko didn't win Wimbledon along with chaseu Way uh

638
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: and then women's final. Uh, you know, at least a

639
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: pretends uh coming back, you know again just minor minor

640
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Speaker 2: quibbles here here and there. I thought Wimbledon this year

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Speaker 2: was a, you know, a lot of talk, especially after

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Speaker 2: the tn T rights acquisition of the French Open. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of talk in this country anyway about some

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Speaker 2: of the commentary and the ways that you know, tennis

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Speaker 2: can and should keep improving. Now, without wanting to put

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Speaker 2: you on any kind of hot seat. What was it

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Speaker 2: like for you watching Wimbledon from the from the broadcast?

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Speaker 2: Obviously you're in Australia, but like, what was it like

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Speaker 2: watching as a as a fan as opposed to being there?

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Speaker 2: Calling it sucks?

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Speaker 1: I'd rather much rather be there, much rather be calling

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Speaker 1: it you're writing it. There's nothing like watching tennis live.

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Speaker 1: Watching it on TV is great, but you cannot get

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Speaker 1: the sense of how hard people hit the ball, you

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Speaker 1: feel the energy. So no, being being at Wimbledon is

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the great things that I still

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Speaker 1: get to do, and so you know, it's always it's

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Speaker 1: always great to be a part of the coverage, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to be there on site.

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, the update from over here is I've

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Speaker 2: just completed a successful edition of wimbled Down. My friend

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Speaker 2: Don has a birthday celebration grass court tennis tournament at

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Speaker 2: her home every year called wimbled Down. So, Claire, my

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Speaker 2: wife and I just won Wimbledon. So I didn't know

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Speaker 2: you were talking about champion today, but you are.

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Speaker 1: Did not did not know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm up you center, I'm a two time wimbled

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Speaker 2: Down champion. Let's just be clear about the pronunciation. Her

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Speaker 2: name is okay, and then then I'm going to grass

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Speaker 2: Court Nationals later today in Philadelphia. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: All right, We'll get that chip and charge out because

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Speaker 1: that fourhand of yours that's not so good on the grass.

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Speaker 2: I want to take any slander. You haven't seen my

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Speaker 2: fourhead in about two years, so anyway, that's the slander.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, yeah you too, Thanks for joining us. Guys,

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Speaker 1: see you next week.

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Speaker 2: Baye