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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Zach Creggor's Weapons, which

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Speaker 1: is a very scary movie. So either go and watch

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Speaker 1: it first, or if you're too scared, listen to us

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Speaker 1: talk about it and then you can decide whether or

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Speaker 1: not you want to go see it. But it is

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Speaker 1: really scary. Hello. I'm Rosie Knight, and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep into

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday and Thursday, the summer's biggest movies every Friday,

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Speaker 1: and news on Saturday. And today is Friday, which means

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Speaker 1: we are in the popcorn pop out talking about Oh Baby,

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Speaker 1: Zach Creig's new movie Weapons, So we are going to

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Speaker 1: share our non spoiler thoughts. Then we're going to dig

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Speaker 1: deep into the movie and what we think about it,

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Speaker 1: and to do that, I am introducing a guest co host,

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Speaker 1: a wonderful pal of mine who is also a fantastic

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Speaker 1: film critic who you might have read at Bloody Disgusting

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Speaker 1: or Fangoria and is also behind the very fun certified Forgotten,

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Speaker 1: where you can find thoughts and podcast episodes on movies

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Speaker 1: that maybe no one else remembers, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: I love being on that site and it is Matt Donato,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today on X

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Speaker 1: ray Vision. How you doing that?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great, And thank you for having me

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Speaker 2: here to talk about some weapons.

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Speaker 1: It is so fun. I'm very glad that you're going

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Speaker 1: this is a crazy movie and I am really really

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Speaker 1: happy with how positive the feedback has been so far,

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Speaker 1: because I was not one hundred percent sure that would

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Speaker 1: be the case. I didn't know where this was going

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Speaker 1: to land for people. But I'm really excited. I loved

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Speaker 1: your review of it, and I was super stoked you

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Speaker 1: with some non spoiler thoughts. So, Matt, I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: you what, let's go back do Zach's kind of big

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Speaker 1: breakout debut. What were your thoughts on Barbarian? Where are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm high on Barbarian. I do think it is

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Speaker 2: that's something that's hard to replicate. And we'll get into

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Speaker 2: it's very twisty. It's very like does a really good

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Speaker 2: you know we're both horror fancy here. So we've seen

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Speaker 2: and it just doesn't work, and yet Zach Kreger pulls

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Speaker 2: that payoff is just something that I Number one, you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, that's actually what I was going to

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Speaker 1: of interesting stuff. So then, how did you feel, Let's

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Speaker 1: How did you feel when you came out of weapons

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Speaker 2: I felt relieved because of the hype we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: I felt excited because Craiger proved now twice that he

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Speaker 2: It's not just a spooky, scary acting. It was funny

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Speaker 2: Non spoilers, and it's just the payoffs there. It's it's

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Speaker 2: it's action, it's comedy, it's horror, it's drama, it's it's everything.

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Speaker 2: It's a total package kind of horror film.

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Speaker 1: He's unbelievably well versed in kind of how to play

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Speaker 2: Back to it.

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Speaker 1: And we're back, okay, Matt, let's try and let's try.

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Speaker 1: And Weapons is kind of like barbarian I feel like,

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Speaker 1: what if you try to, like do a detailed recap,

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Speaker 1: you're pitching weapons to somebody, to a friend, to a

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Speaker 2: It is. It is a little bit of Tarantino and

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Speaker 2: that is about broken people finding meaning in nothing and

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Speaker 1: scary that is. I found that to be really interesting.

431
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it extends even further, like when

432
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: looking at weapons. Let's say, going back to like the characters.

433
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Julia Gardner's character I think is brilliant because

434
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: she's the school teacher where her entire class goes missing,

435
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 2: as you said, and she immediately becomes the scapegoat for

436
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: the towns. The idea of like, well, obviously it's you,

437
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: Like you're the person we trust as a teacher to

438
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 2: have our kids and basically like caretake for our kids

439
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 2: for all day. So obviously, like you're at fault. But

440
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: then you go back to her home life and like

441
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 2: she's an alcoholic and she is a mess, and she

442
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: is trying to like solve this as a detective who

443
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 2: has no power and the brokenness like being there. And

444
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: then Alden's character, you know, he's a cop and he's

445
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: also got his own baggage. Like everyone is just a

446
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: level of broken and messed up. That makes the investigation,

447
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: let's say that much better because like Brolin Archer, he's

448
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 2: he's just rage. He's yeah, he's furious and grief and

449
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: so many things. And talking to Brolin like that was

450
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: the first thing I asked him, you know, like you know,

451
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: I said him, like, hey, you're a father, Like how

452
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: do you approach a role like this and not like

453
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 2: dig in too deep or like become too fearful yourself.

454
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: And he's like, honestly, I've never played a character like this.

455
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: Because of that, He's like, I could not imagine this

456
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: happening to my children, so I didn't want to put

457
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: myself in that scenario. But he's like, I finally, you know,

458
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: I pushed myself to tackle that character because of it,

459
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, I needed to express those emotions. I

460
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: needed to feel that, and he's like, I just yeah,

461
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: like how do you not how does that not become personal?

462
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's so funny. That was also like

463
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: my first question was like you are a dad, like

464
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: how did this feel? And he was like ended up

465
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: with a little tear in his eye. Like I think

466
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: the interesting thing to me as well is kind of

467
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: as someone who doesn't have kids, you know, I did

468
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: still I do still feel like when you know, I

469
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: have nieces and nephews and stuff. But I think that

470
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: there's a an interesting, like feral exploration of kind of

471
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: what parenting is, which obviously has also been really interesting

472
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: in movies like You Speak No Evil, you know, and

473
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that, these kind of ideas of what does

474
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: it mean to be a parent and who are like

475
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: how do you be a good parent? And what do

476
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: you need to teach your kids? And I think like

477
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: throughout the years, kind of scary kid horror has often

478
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: touched on that, but I think this is one of

479
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: the most unexpectedly great scary kid horror movies that we've

480
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: had in like a long time.

481
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: And it's funny because the kids are missing like that,

482
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: like the idea that it is a very much scary

483
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: kid horror movie, and there are elements where there's some

484
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: like nightmare classroom scenes that really mess with you.

485
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: Fucking the end of this movie, I think I felt

486
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: like it was very enjoyable and exciting and great, and

487
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: I was like cheering it on. But there are people

488
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: I've spoken to who were like legitimately shocked because at

489
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, guys, the young boy who

490
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: is able, who is the you know, the nephew hypothetically

491
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: of this witch who has moved into town. He manages

492
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: to wrap her hair around the string and we get

493
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: the kids completely just eating her alive, like destroying her

494
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: in kind of the daylight of the town, and it

495
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: is really brutal, and it feels very cathartic and you're like, yeah,

496
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: like fuck, yeah, this is great. But for some people,

497
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: I think also terrifying because that's not how they perceive children.

498
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: That's also incredibly there are moments in this movie where

499
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: you feel like, like I said, you're watching a kind

500
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: of prestige mystery thriller, but there are moments where Olden peels,

501
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: you know, his face gets peeled off with a view

502
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: with a fruit peeler, you know, so that kind of balance.

503
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: What do you think is about Craig's filmmaking that kind

504
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: of makes that balance and juxtapisation work so well, because

505
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: it's very much what he did in Barbarian with the

506
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: kind of the head smash and then the beautiful lac.

507
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: He likes to keep us unsettled.

508
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: I think it's the character development specifically and letting these

509
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: performers really explore within their characters' emotions like this. I

510
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: think I said this before, but like, this doesn't feel

511
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: like your standard. The characters are just there to kind

512
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: of walk through a haunted house or if it's a slasher,

513
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: get killed off. This is very much a character piece

514
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 2: for a lot of the movie. Oh yeah, and I

515
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: think that is at times to the film's detriment a

516
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: little bit. I really like weapons, but I do think

517
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of sag in the middle for

518
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: me where when it does turn into this idea of well,

519
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: it's a movie about perception because the event happens like

520
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: the event happens to the town, and we see it

521
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: from the perspective of different characters like they Basically it's

522
00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: a chapter base and one chapter is archer At. One

523
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: chapter is like Julia Gardner's character. So I think the movie,

524
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: very briefly in the middle, gets a little lost in

525
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: showing us the same thing but from different angles. And

526
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: while that is interesting, it's a little bit of repetition

527
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: for me. But outside of that little moment, I think

528
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: Craiger does a brilliant job actually of letting the story

529
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: flesh itself out and letting the release of information be

530
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: like a slow drip versus giant reveal here and then

531
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: lull and giant reveal, Like everything is pretty much meticulous,

532
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: and everything is so calculated. Like even there's there's a

533
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: scene where it's a hallucination or a dream and Archer

534
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: sees in the sky this giant gun and it's it's

535
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: so cartoonish, but it's so good because the title weapons

536
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: is so misleading, and that alone is going to throw people.

537
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: And some people might ask at the end, like, well

538
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: why is it called weapons? Even at the end and

539
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: that little scene of the of the imaginary ak with

540
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: a clock on it of two seventeen and Archer just

541
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: staring at it like it's such a good throw because

542
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: you don't really know yet still and you're still being like,

543
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: is this gonna be like a gun commentary America.

544
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Like what, that's definitely what you feel like. You're like, okay,

545
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: so is this about? You know, there's this incredible horror

546
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: ritter called Kirsten White, who who I love. She writes

547
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: all different kinds of stuff, but she wrote a book

548
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: called Hide about people who go into an old theme

549
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: park and are essentially, you know, hunted down by some

550
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: kind of mythical creature while they play hide and seek.

551
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: But it's really a commentary on gun violence and how

552
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: we just send our kids to these really dangerous places

553
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: every day and how that can happen to them. And

554
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: I was as soon as the gun came up, I'm like, okay,

555
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: so is that what this is about? Is this about

556
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: how we like send our kids to school and we

557
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: put them in this space that is perceived to be safe,

558
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: but really you really can end up in a situation

559
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: where there's only one kid left over. I don't think

560
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: those are like, I don't think it's a miss. I

561
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: think Zach knows what he's doing. It's almost like a

562
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: it's almost like a thematic red herring because I think

563
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: it is there and it's true. But when you see

564
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: that gun, you're just like, oh, Okay, this is what

565
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: the movie's about, and then you know, ten minutes later

566
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, that's not what it's about.

567
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: But maybe because it's not long after I think where

568
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: we finally do like see the Witchcraft in full form.

569
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think so, it's that element. It's the

570
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: way that he is able to, number one, tell this

571
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: story so eloquently with these characters who have meaning and

572
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: depth and they're all there. But then you do, you

573
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: get you get the gun moment where you said it

574
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: it's a red herring, and it puts you, It puts

575
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: you on the trail of something that is conceivable to

576
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: what this movie could be about and it completely is not.

577
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: And that way of convincing us, I think that's what

578
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: it is. He's able to convince us of what's happening

579
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: when it's completely not and a lot of films aren't

580
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: able to do that. You know, a lot of films

581
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: can't really hide behind their themes and their storytelling. They're

582
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: not as adept at that.

583
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: That's a fantastic way of putting actually, because that's what

584
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: I think the biggest power of Barbarian was was he

585
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: convinced us what the movie was about in the first

586
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five minutes and then suddenly you're like, oh, actually, uh,

587
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: this is a completely different film. So also, let's talk

588
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: about at the heart of it, we do have our witch,

589
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: Gladys Lily played by Amy Madigan, and like, what I

590
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: think is gonna go down as one of our best

591
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: kind of you know, exploitation, which kind of performances. Let's

592
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that. How did that work

593
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: for you?

594
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: It is so good what she accomplishes, because it's what

595
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: the first vision that we see of her, I believe

596
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: is a is Julia Gardner's nightmare ye where she is

597
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: like basically coming out of her ceiling at her like

598
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: in one of those like jomb scare moments, but just

599
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: it's the pale makeup face, it's the really bad wig.

600
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: It's like the nylon jumpsuit too. Like everything about her

601
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: is so uns settling and surreal, Like her character alone

602
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: in the way she presents herself is it looks nothing

603
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: like the people in this serb in town, so like

604
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: she sticks out like a sore thumb, and yet nobody

605
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: is thinking about her. Everyone's too obsessed with their own

606
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: ideas and their own revenge arks. Let's say, to even

607
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: care about this insane clown looking person running around the

608
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: woods like it's happening.

609
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: She looks like an evil clown, but that's just like

610
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: she's just like a weird old.

611
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: Lady, but she is. I think that performance is so

612
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: key to everything because for as much as weapons is

613
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: the grounded storytelling piece of what we've just said about

614
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: all these characters who have these things that they are

615
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: working through, it is also a crazy ass looking movie

616
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: and you have like you have the character in the

617
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: middle who is the Pennywise esque like villain, and to

618
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: have both of those again, like to say, Craiger can

619
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: play in both boats, it's crazy, Like it's crazy that

620
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: he can do that and keep us there.

621
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: Well. Also, what I've been really happy to see is like,

622
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: and obviously you know on this podcast people who listen

623
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: to it, well, no, I have many controversial opinions, and

624
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: often I'm not, you know, like having the same take

625
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: as everyone else. This was a movie where I came

626
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: out of it and I was like, oh shit, this

627
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: is like it's basically like a masterpiece, Like it's so good.

628
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: It's got it's critiques, but I have critiques some pretty

629
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: much every movie I think is a masterpiece. And I

630
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: was like, I love it. Are other people gonna love it?

631
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: So like the one hundred percent good reviews on Rotten

632
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: Tomatoes and stuff, I was just like, Okay, I was like,

633
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: this is the other thing I think that Kreiger can do.

634
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: The Barbarian hinted at, but Weapons absolutely kind of cements

635
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: he is playing in an almost like Stephen King esque

636
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: space of like familiar America, whether it's in it like

637
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: La or Detroit or here in this kind of suburban neighborhood.

638
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: He plays with these kind of places and I deals

639
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: that we understand and then shocks us when we follow

640
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: him on that journey. And I think, especially with Weapons,

641
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason that people is speaking

642
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: to people is it's completely original, but it also feels

643
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: akin to something you've seen before because of kind of

644
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: the way he plays with Americana, and.

645
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: It feels very much realistically suburban. It's not like inauthentic

646
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: in what it's doing. Having Archer being like a contractor

647
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: as well, who has blueprints to the entire town. It's

648
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: such a smart little way of giving us like a

649
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: geographical look at everything that's happening where I know, sometimes

650
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: movies lose the actual setting and it's hard to kind

651
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: of follow around where you are where I think like

652
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: it's such a small detail where he has the map

653
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: to the town, but it reveals so much and it

654
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: makes things so much easier from a storytelling perspective. So

655
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: I think like that is a point to Greger and

656
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: just to say he's thinking about every little thing that

657
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: could happen, where once again, we've seen our fair share

658
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: of horror movies where it's just roll with it, like

659
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: to worry about.

660
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: It, so like you know, oh, somebody, like a cool

661
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: teenage girl gets you know, I feel like that's very

662
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of could be very Freddy versus Jason kind of

663
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: vibes where somebody just like shows up and they're like,

664
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: I've got the blueprints, my dad had these or something.

665
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: But he manages to do it in a way that

666
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: it feels like it adds to what we know of

667
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: our character and also as well, it has that feeling

668
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, he's a contract he has all the

669
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: blueprints in the town, but we also know he's this

670
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: really controlling guy who needs to know everything's going on.

671
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: So there's an element to it where in this situation

672
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: it's a positive, but in another situation why he has

673
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: those could be sinister as well. And I love the

674
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: way that they play around with those expectations throughout the movie.

675
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Even once we know about Gladys and we still don't

676
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: really know who can be trusted, and because of the

677
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: way her magic works, no one can because she can

678
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: end up, you know, controlling them. Okay, we're going to

679
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: go to some messages from us sponsors, and when we

680
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: are we're going to talk about like how we feel

681
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: this sets Creger up in the landscape of kind of

682
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: great modern horror Diarthea and we're back. So yeah, let's

683
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: talk about Cregor because I feel like Barbarian and you

684
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: follow up with this, this establishes you as a as

685
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: a very powerful kind of new voice in horror and

686
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: also just in in cinematic film like film storytelling.

687
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: It's interesting, especially because he is his next movie is

688
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: resid Evil, Like we're getting another resid Evil reboot and

689
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: that's coming from Creigor, And part of me is like, ah, God,

690
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: I wish you just kept doing original stuff because it's

691
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: what you just said, You've just knocked out of the

692
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: Park two times in a row. So I want to

693
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: see you how many boundaries can you push? Like where's

694
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: your next movie gonna go? And the other half of

695
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: me is really happy that's happening in a Resident Evil

696
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: sandbox because I like listen. I like the Paul W.

697
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: S Anderson movies for action movies, like they are goofy

698
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: their action, that's what they are. I like Welcome to

699
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: Ratkon City.

700
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Actually, I think too.

701
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: Johannascarts is a great director, and it's really good. It

702
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: gets back to the games, like.

703
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: It's very like classic. It's just like a fun B movie,

704
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: which is what for most of us Resident Evil probably is,

705
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: and as we imagine it in a movie. I just

706
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: thought it was so fun. I thought the cost had

707
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: so much chemistry. I thought the needle drops were great.

708
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: I thought the horror was good. But I also get

709
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: it in an era of Hereditary and Midsummer A lot

710
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: of people watch a movie like that and they go, Okay,

711
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: but what's the point, Like what does it mean? You know?

712
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: Whereas we know that can go over a spectrum, So

713
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: to them bring in someone like Craiger and hopefully give

714
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: him full control, right, that's very interesting thing.

715
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: Because he said it's gonna be by the games. But like,

716
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: also when you see something like weapons, I mean, one

717
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: of the things that I immediately think of is the brutality.

718
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Like there is so much good brutality in weapons, and

719
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: while it's not that often, it is so impactful used

720
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: there there are There's this scene where the child we

721
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: haven't even called that, like, sorry, pull out, kid, I'm

722
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: gonna I had it up for a second.

723
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I'll find it. No, no, I'm finding it now. Don't worry.

724
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: Let's let's play in that little boy. He did such

725
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: a good job. Good job to that.

726
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: Carrie Christopher, that's what it is, Carrie.

727
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Christopher, whose name in the movie is Alex. Yes, Yes,

728
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: So you have Alex played by Carrie Christopher, and.

729
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Speaker 2: He is basically sitting at a dinner table with Gladys

730
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: and his parents. His parents have been possessed, whatever we

731
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: want to say, and Gladys sets them on themselves and

732
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: they just start stabbing themselves in the face of the

733
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: fork over and over again and so horrific. While it's

734
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: not the bloodiest scene of the movie, it is the

735
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: one that got me the most of this child screaming

736
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: for his parents to just stop harming them. So I

737
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: think there are so many things that Craiger understands as

738
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: a horror filmmaker that it is not just about, you know,

739
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: an evil dead type of movie where you have to

740
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: go over the top all the time. What unsettles and

741
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: what disturbs in this movie is thematic and powerful from

742
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: whether it's preying on your childhood and like your wonder

743
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: and like kind of destroying innocence or giving you the

744
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: outright oh yeah, now it's all wis shit, like now

745
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: we are in the witch trenches and like going out

746
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: that stuff. I think it all works in man, like

747
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: the brutality of the payoff, especially though I'm like, oh

748
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: I see it's so gory.

749
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: It's so gory and so good and so cathartic, which

750
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times. Something else I like

751
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: about this movie, and kind of the approach that Craiga

752
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: took care is like scary kid movies, right, they are

753
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: often kind of a representation of the fear of parenthood

754
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: or the fear of losing control, and that's definitely in

755
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: this movie. But also I feel like often the kids

756
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: are like, you are just evil and you're gonna have

757
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to die. Right, whether it's like your Midwich Cuckoos or

758
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff like that. And so I kind of

759
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: love that here the kids get to have a heroic

760
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: moment and it's a brutally heroic moment, and I just

761
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: think it works so well. I also think interestingly the

762
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: visualization of Gladys and of Alex when he represents her

763
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: in this kind of these nightmares that people keep having.

764
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: I want to see after that, Like I want to

765
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: see how Zach imagines a zombie, Like let him imagine

766
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: these different kind of zombies in a different visual way

767
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: that's still representative. I yeah, I'm definitely in the same

768
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: space as you where I'm very excited for him to

769
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: take on Resident Evil, but I also want him to

770
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: not do it and just keep making movies like this,

771
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: which is also you know, that's how I felt about

772
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: the Philippoop brothers doing Street Fighter. It's like, I couldn't

773
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: think of a better pair to do it. But then

774
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: when they were like, hey, it doesn't work, we want

775
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: to make this weird like backyard wrestling documentary, I was like, yeah,

776
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: I was like thank you. I was like, that's that's

777
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: what I that's what I need.

778
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: But even mentioning that payoff really quickly. I just love

779
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: the idea that it is a heroic moment. You are

780
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: one hundred percent correct, Like the kids have been captured

781
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: this whole time, they have been stashed away in a basement.

782
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: But it's also the idea of like the sins of

783
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: the parents and the adults and the way that they

784
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: failed the children h still weighing heavily on them because

785
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: while they do get their heroism, then they get the

786
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: takedown Gladys, they have to live with that memory for

787
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: the rest of their lives. Like that is still ingrained

788
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: in them. And it's that creepy narration at the beginning

789
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: of the end. It's just a child's voice and you

790
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: just hear her talking about like some of the kids

791
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: even started talking a year later, and and that just

792
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: ingrained trauma. And even though it is it's the payoff

793
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: we want, and it's the payoff that Gladys deserves, the

794
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: children still lose in the end, and they still have

795
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: to like live with that fact. All of that working

796
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: in like again going back to the idea that Craiger

797
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: thinks of everything, it's not just payoff, boom done, We're over.

798
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: There's no grand moment where it's like everyone just goes

799
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: home and we're fine, Like, no, everyone is still broken.

800
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: At the end of the TV there was still.

801
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Like fremely fucked up. Like after that, it's like understandably

802
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: and again, so something that I'm I'm I'm working on

803
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: a theory that Craiger did not fully agree with me,

804
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's fine, because that's the joy of

805
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: being the filmmakers. You are the author. But I do

806
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: feel like I was like, I feel like he's kind

807
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: of he's he's making these almost like American like suburban

808
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: folk horror movies. Even with Barbarian, it's playing on these

809
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: ideas of like the horror underneath suburbia and the idea.

810
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: But instead of we were talking about this, me and

811
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: him because he was cracking me up. He was like, well,

812
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, in a folk horror movie, I feel like

813
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: there's always like one person who comes in and then

814
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: they change everything, you know. And I was like, well,

815
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Barbarian definitely, you know, has that. And it more like

816
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: she's going into this space where there's this kind of

817
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: culture and horror that she doesn't understand it in the basement,

818
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, but it feels like you're kind

819
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: of peeling back this idea of like what if all

820
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: over America you could have a map and Zach is

821
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: just doing like a different horror movie in each city.

822
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm really feeling it. He was like, yeah,

823
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: but what about in weapons? And I was like, well

824
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: there is you know, we couldn't do spoilers because it's

825
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: a drunket and that's how they are sometimes, and we

826
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: were like, well, you know. I was like, there is

827
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: someone who comes in and changes everything, and he was

828
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know, and I was like, well there is,

829
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: and then like two minutes in he was like, oh

830
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: my god. He was like I really actually like didn't remember.

831
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, but what do you

832
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: think about kind of like do you I feel like

833
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: this and Barbarian are so of a piece that that

834
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: could really continue throughout his career, this kind of exploration

835
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: of like America and this kind of supernatural underpinnings and

836
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: kind of the horrors that we don't see. But do

837
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: you think, like with Resident Evil post Resident Evil, he's

838
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: a very unexpected filmmaker, So do you think do you

839
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: expect to see these themes continue or do you think

840
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: he's going to go somewhere completely different.

841
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: I think the assumption is that they will continue because

842
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: he has now had two chances to tell stories that are,

843
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: you know, both personal and messed up, and they have

844
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: really steered hardcore into horror. I like, I love the

845
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: idea of what you're talking about of these movies being

846
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: in the same universe and just like the world being

847
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: represented through horror and how messed up it is socially,

848
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: because there's like a Quibi show. When Quibi was a thing,

849
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: I think it was like fifty States of Scare or

850
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: something like that, and it was every state had a

851
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: different scare attached to it and that was the episode.

852
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: Different folk horror. It was a different like folkloric kind

853
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, exactly, really spooky ones and like.

854
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great. But like I envision that for

855
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: like Zach Kraiger's America, you know, like basically yeah, be like.

856
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: That, like you know, in fifty years, getting like the

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Speaker 1: box set of.

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Speaker 2: Kind of all his messed up little takes on Suburbia. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's my hope. I mean, that's the thing any director

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Speaker 2: can veer in any moment. I mean, yeah, we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have Halloween without David Gordon Green going to it, Jordan

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Speaker 2: Peel abandoned in comedy to do it like.

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Speaker 1: Becoming Uponestly, Zach Craig.

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Speaker 2: Could do the opposite, you know, like he can go

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Speaker 2: right back to comedy at any point. But no, I

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Speaker 2: think you don't make a movie like Barbarian or Weapons

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Speaker 2: without really effing loving horror, Like that's that's just what

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just before, thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned this a bit earlier about some of

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Speaker 1: the great festival movies you've watched. You review films all

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Speaker 1: over the place, You watch all kinds of movies. What

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Speaker 1: are summer What are like your three best underseen horrors

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Speaker 1: or horrors people should keep an eye out for as

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Speaker 1: they head into the rest of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I know. So this movie called Touch Me, that is

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Speaker 2: it is a love story. It is horror. It is

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Speaker 2: basically the recreator somehow Addison Haymen made a he ti

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Speaker 2: horror movie.

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Speaker 1: And thank you.

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Speaker 2: The practical effects are so good, it's so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Olivia Taylor Dudley and lou Taylor Pucci are going crazy

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Speaker 2: on screen. So I Touch Me is when you want

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Speaker 2: to look out for. I dropping this week is a

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Speaker 2: movie called Descendant and it is a sci fi film

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Speaker 2: produced by Benson Moorehead and Dave Lost and for Ross

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Speaker 2: Stick and it is once again I mentioned it before,

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Speaker 2: but like playing around with grief and themes of grief

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Speaker 2: and things of that nature. So that was I'm not

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Speaker 2: usually a sci fi like alien kind of guy, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it is aliens one hundred percent, but

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Speaker 2: there's definitely a little Little Green Men element to it,

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Speaker 2: and it won me over. So that's I think it's

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Speaker 2: a big boo of confidence. And then I just saw

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Speaker 2: a movie I'm like a South Korean horror guy one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent, and they tend to be a lot of times,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, as you know as well intense Southean horror

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Speaker 2: goals place.

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Speaker 1: Very intense, either emotionally or visually or whichever version. We've

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about some of them more entries. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell us about this.

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Speaker 2: One covering Fantasia right now, wrapping on the coverage. And

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Speaker 2: there's a movie called Holy Night Demon Hunters, I believe,

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Speaker 2: and it stars Don Lee and it is goofy action

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Speaker 2: as a as a South Korean horror movie, and basically

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Speaker 2: him and his team of demon Hunters have to like

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Speaker 2: solve this entire occult plot blah blah blah, keep things

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Speaker 2: like very very bland there. But he's just don Lee

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Speaker 2: still just smacking the crap at a Demon's like that's

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Speaker 2: the whole movie. Is him just being like, oh, like,

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Speaker 2: there's the professional over here, who is the exorcist. There's

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Speaker 2: a professional here who's the cam quarder. And then Don

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Speaker 2: Lee just backhanding demons, just straight up backhanding demons. So

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's me. I like it.

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Speaker 1: What famously for our MCU fans play Gilgamesh in the

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Speaker 1: Eternals and movie everybody knows. I love and also I

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Speaker 1: love the fact that this movie Holy Night Demon Hunters.

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Speaker 1: The production company is Big Punch Pictures.

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Speaker 2: I want to wonder who, Yeah, wonder who came up

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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 1: Who came up with that?

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Speaker 2: Matt?

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Where can they follow you? Plug?

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Speaker 1: Plug plug?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me, Matt Donado at Dinato bomb

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Speaker 2: d O, n Ato b O m B and most places.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be blue Sky, Instagram and letterbox for now.

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Speaker 2: Playing around TikTok a little bit so building that up.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you can also listen to my podcast, Certified

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Speaker 2: Forgotten that I co host, and it is a horror

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Speaker 2: movie podcast about horror movies with ten or less critic reviews,

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Speaker 2: and we try to focus and highlight the movies that

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Speaker 2: have been lost to eternity. We have people like Rosyon

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Speaker 2: who bring hell Raiser sequels that I want to see.

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Speaker 1: Hey, hell Raiser, hell World. I believe we did, which

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Speaker 1: is the it's the hell Raiser computer game internet rave

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Speaker 1: movie which.

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Speaker 2: Has starring Henry Cavill.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, you got to listen to the episode

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Speaker 1: that the movie is so fun, also has a crazy

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Speaker 1: twist that I feel like if it was nowadays would

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Speaker 1: have been a bit more respected. But yeah, that's such

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Speaker 1: a I love what you guys do there. You'll love

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Speaker 1: the you guys still have the site right with people's

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Speaker 1: pieces about those movies. I wrote about one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite movies, an old nineties another internet horror movie. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's called brain Scan. I think it's called Yeah

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Speaker 1: Edward Furlong, who I love really great weird stuff. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate you joining us to talk about this movie,

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Speaker 1: which I think my gut says is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: big hit. I think I think it's gonna catch that

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Speaker 1: word of mouth vibe. I think people are gonna want

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Speaker 1: to see it. I think it's got enough scary moments,

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Speaker 1: so people are gonna be talking about it. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get to be talking about more big horror

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Speaker 1: movies as we head into fall, and on the next

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Speaker 1: episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into news news news, news,

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Speaker 1: news news. That's the episode. Thanks for listening, guys, Bye

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Speaker 1: bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Joel Menique and Aaron korfm Our Supervising

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Speaker 1: producer is Abu Safar. Our producers are Common Laurent Dean

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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