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Speaker 2: They're doing more and more research on using food how

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Speaker 2: to fix, you know, certain deficiencies or heal certain things,

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Speaker 2: versus looking at this nutrient. Does this vitamin A is

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Speaker 2: going to do that? No, look at the food sources

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Speaker 2: and apply it to the same thing. Because we eat food,

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Speaker 1: I started to realize that not being an expert isn't

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Speaker 1: a liability, it's a real gift. If we don't know

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Speaker 1: something about ourselves at this point in our life, it's

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Speaker 1: probably because it's uncomfortable to know.

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Speaker 2: If you can die before you die, then you can

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Speaker 2: really live.

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Speaker 1: There's a wisdom at death's door. I thought I was insane. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, my name is Kat I'm a human first

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Speaker 1: and a licensed therapist second. And right now I'm inviting

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Speaker 1: you into conversations that I hope encourage you to become

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Speaker 1: more curious and less judgmental about yourself, others, and the

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Speaker 1: world around you. Welcome to You Need Therapy, Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to a new episode of You Need Therapy podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kat and before we get into today's

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Speaker 1: very exciting episode, quick reminder that this podcast does not

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Speaker 1: serve as a substitute or a replacement for any actual

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Speaker 1: mental health services, and today it also does not substitute

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Speaker 1: as a replacement for any medical advice, because we are

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Speaker 1: talking about some things that have to do with the

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Speaker 1: insides of your body, and those things have to do

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Speaker 1: with digestion and pooping, which you might be like, ooh,

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Speaker 1: why are you talking about that? Well you will see.

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Speaker 1: I have Crystal back who's been on multiple times. Hi Crystal, Hi,

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Speaker 1: And I've been wanting to do this episode for so

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Speaker 1: long because digestion, gut health, lack set of abuse or

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Speaker 1: and also gets i think not even sprinkled in it

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Speaker 1: way wellness influencers and people on the internet in general

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Speaker 1: that we don't need to care about our health and

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Speaker 1: skinny teas and stuff around losing weight to stuff about

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Speaker 1: healing your gut microbiome, like it's like the same thing,

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Speaker 1: but we're using different language to then, like you know, say,

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Speaker 1: we're acting like this is about the inner health when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really important to understand how absorption

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Speaker 2: But really the main job too is just to move

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Speaker 1: another way people purge is through laxative abuse. And I

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Speaker 2: The function of laxatives are to treat constipation, and constipation

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Speaker 2: A stimulant laxative targets the nerves in the muscles of

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Speaker 2: It's just very strong muscle that is meant to contract,

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Speaker 1: And there's a time and a place to use something

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Speaker 2: Effects when you stimulate a nerve chemically, not naturally with

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Speaker 1: To use it again. And if I guess I'm thinking

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Speaker 2: other medical side effects can come in as well.

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Speaker 1: So far, we've talked about people who are like purposely.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes this is a behavior that we find or start

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Speaker 1: But I think also the reason I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: Creating an issue. Yes, So what's also interesting is hearing

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Speaker 2: look at the food sources and apply it to the

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Speaker 2: same thing. Because we eat food, we don't eat.

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Speaker 1: Supplements right well, And I think that's a marketing tactic too,

435
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Speaker 1: that I see a lot where it's like made from

436
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Speaker 1: we'll just say apples made from the skin of an apple,

437
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: versus like, yeah, well, I tell myself, well then this

438
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Speaker 1: is good, I should be taking this. But I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: you say if you have to take that, if you

440
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Speaker 1: you need that as a supplement from a balanced diet

441
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Speaker 1: that is meeting the things that your body needs. It

442
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Speaker 1: just needs a little help. That's one thing. But if

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Speaker 1: you're taking that instead, that's not equal, right, it's not

444
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Speaker 1: doing it instead is not equal. There are some people

445
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Speaker 1: that need again extra help. But for us to be like, oh,

446
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Speaker 1: this pill is from an apple, so it's just like

447
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Speaker 1: eating an apple, or this pill is from green foods,

448
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Speaker 1: so it's like eating spinach or know, a green salad

449
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Speaker 1: or something like that, it's not the same as eating

450
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Speaker 1: the salad. And I think our brains do this gymnastics

451
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Speaker 1: exercise that we tell ourselves that it is like taking

452
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Speaker 1: this green powder instead of eating green food.

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Speaker 2: Right, if it says, you know, taking this one pill

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Speaker 2: is the equival, it's like you're eating twenty heads of

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Speaker 2: broccoli or like your whole you know, like your whole

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Speaker 2: day worth of vegetables. Well, your body's not meant to

457
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Speaker 2: have the whole day's worth of vegetables in one setting.

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Speaker 1: So can it even absorb everything that it needs in

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Speaker 1: that No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, because it's so much, you wouldn't naturally be able

461
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Speaker 2: to consume that amount, which means that your body also

462
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: doesn't need that. Yeah, I just can't use that amount.

463
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Speaker 2: And think about the volume of eating the vegetables, you know,

464
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Speaker 2: like that's a really important part of satiety and getting

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Speaker 2: the nutrients in the amounts you need throughout the day

466
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Speaker 2: versus a lot at one time. You know, like if

467
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Speaker 2: you take those excessive amounts of things, your body just

468
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Speaker 2: again it's like, well I can't use all of this

469
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Speaker 2: right now, and there's not a storage. It's not storing

470
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Speaker 2: those vitamins. I mean, the fats all have vitamins. It's

471
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Speaker 2: storing them some but like we're just peeing them out

472
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Speaker 2: because it's like I don't have anywhere to put this,

473
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Speaker 2: I can't use it. So our urine is fluorescent yellow.

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Speaker 1: So you're spending a lot of money to just pee

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Speaker 1: out viamins. Yeah, when you could buy some broccoli for

476
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Speaker 1: three ninety nine and be able to actually use that nutrient.

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Speaker 1: There's contrants when you need them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's take a step back for a

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Speaker 1: second and go back to where we kind of started.

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Speaker 1: If somebody's listening to this episode and they're like, oh, wow,

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Speaker 1: I have been using these possibly abusing them, whether it

483
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Speaker 1: was intentional or I thought I was doing something really

484
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Speaker 1: helpful for my body, and you're thinking, like I want

485
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Speaker 1: to not do this anymore. But also it feels like

486
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Speaker 1: your body's become dependent on them. What would you say

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Speaker 1: to those people?

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Speaker 2: Something important to know is that your body is incredible

489
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Speaker 2: and it definitely has the ability to heal itself, even

490
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Speaker 2: when we do some really intense things to it, you know,

491
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Speaker 2: and so including over use of laxatives. And while initially,

492
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Speaker 2: you know, we can have a lot of fear of constipation.

493
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Speaker 2: It can be so uncomfortable and make it even hard

494
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Speaker 2: to eat sometimes with just how uncomfortable it can make us,

495
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Speaker 2: so it makes sense that we want to get rid

496
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Speaker 2: of that feeling. And so you do need to transition

497
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Speaker 2: off of the stimulant laxatives. The best thing to do

498
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Speaker 2: is stop them cold turkey. There's no evidence to wean

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Speaker 2: yourself off of them. Yes, so you stop the stimulant

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Speaker 2: laxatives as soon as possible, because damage is being done

501
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: every time you use it. So weaning off does damaging.

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Speaker 2: Does not write like it is more damaging. At the

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Speaker 2: same time, it would be helpful to start a stool

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Speaker 2: softener so that way you are still getting relief, but

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Speaker 2: you have to let your gut do the work. And

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Speaker 2: if we've created somewhat of a lazy gut, you know

507
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Speaker 2: where it's not work as well. Time is what is

508
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Speaker 2: going to get it to heal and start working again.

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Speaker 2: So non stimulant lax of like mir relax, like prunes,

510
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Speaker 2: prune juice, apple juice, magnesium, you know, those are things

511
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Speaker 2: that help draw water and attract water, but they're not

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Speaker 2: forcing water. Make sure you are very very well hydrated.

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Speaker 2: If you are dehydrated and you are trying to, you know,

514
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Speaker 2: pull water in, it's not going to happen. And water

515
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: is so important to stay in your body that that's primary.

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Speaker 2: And so make sure you are very well hydrated. Make

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Speaker 2: sure you know you're eating those higher fiber foods like

518
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Speaker 2: think about how GISs like swell when they have water liquid.

519
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: We want that effect in your intestines. That's why having

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Speaker 2: fiber throughout the day is really important. So so going

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Speaker 2: into like the medici like mir relax and stuff might

522
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Speaker 2: be needed if it seems like getting that fiber in

523
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: first hydrating isn't really working, but that can be really helpful.

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Speaker 2: And just starting a regiment of that and then as

525
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Speaker 2: regular ballel movements happen, you're having normally formed stool and

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Speaker 2: you're going regularly, you then you know, like go to

527
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Speaker 2: like every other day, you know, with the stool softener

528
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Speaker 2: and then yeah, and then you can come off of it.

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Speaker 2: Laxatives of any kind, whether they're stimulant or non stimulant,

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Speaker 2: are not meant to be for long term use. So

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Speaker 2: if it seems like you're doing all the things and

532
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: it's just not working, then definitely see a medical professional

533
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: because there, you know, there could be something else going on.

534
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: There's some like ibs. You know, there's certain conditions that

535
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: can cause like chronic constipation, and it just might look

536
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: like work with a diet tiss that can really help

537
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: create a type of meal plan and just kind of

538
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: a bowel regimen and like protocol that can be really helpful.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also hearing through this conversation that if you're

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Speaker 1: taking one of these supplements, that's something you should be

541
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Speaker 1: telling your healthcare providers about because of the ways that

542
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: they can actually impact other parts of your body. And

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Speaker 1: even the things like the supplement that is supposed to

544
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: be like the fiber supplement or the non stimulant will

545
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: actually stimulate the different types of teas with the sinna

546
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Speaker 1: leaf and all that, all of those are not supposed

547
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Speaker 1: to be used every single day for the rest of your.

548
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Speaker 2: Life or weekly like it just to oh, I just

549
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: need to clean out, you know, like Okay, we'll drink

550
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: more water, get more fiber, use food. Trust you that

551
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: your body knows what it's doing, give it what it

552
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: needs to do its job, and just kind of challenge

553
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: what am I actually doing to my body? What I'm

554
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: telling my body something's wrong. I'm giving it this chemical

555
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: that's damaging it. So it's like feels threatened, you know,

556
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: like it's not going to work properly, which is going

557
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: to kind of create a cycle and perpetuate the like, oh,

558
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Speaker 2: my body's not working.

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Speaker 1: I need to do something. You even saying the word

560
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Speaker 1: irritating earlier about like the sena in the teas, the

561
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: fact that you're giving yourself something that irritates your body

562
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: to me is like a oh, why wait, that doesn't

563
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: seem like wellness and health. So something I would also

564
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Speaker 1: encourage people to do, because a lot of this is

565
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: propaganda and stuff that's been marketed to us and packaged

566
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Speaker 1: in a way that makes us feel like we're doing

567
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: good things for our body, but also is sudding us

568
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the message that we need something that like we really

569
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: might not need for the sake of their profit and

570
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: their business and all of that. So something I would

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Speaker 1: be encouraging of is to just be very curious about

572
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of these products. And when you see something

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00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: on the internet that's like, seems too good to be true,

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00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: or this new miracle product, well it probably is too

575
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: good to be true, and be curious about it. Look

576
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: into it before you order it, before you take it,

577
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: really figure out what are the ingredients in that? And

578
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: would I take those ingredients separately if it wasn't packaged

579
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: in this cute little bottle, right, maybe not. I share

580
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: that as a way to take some of the shame

581
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: off of us, because this is like a game to

582
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of businesses of like how can we get

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Speaker 1: people to buy this thing or create a product that

584
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: people think that they need. How that works is people

585
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: create problems and then a solution to solve them, and

586
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: we might not have a problem.

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Speaker 2: Some people also start with good intentions because they did

588
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: something that helped them, but they also maybe didn't have insight,

589
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: and that's maybe a disorder, you know, like oh, I

590
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: use laxatives every day, and I feel lighter, you know,

591
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: all these things and I want everyone to know that way. Yeah,

592
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: and you know, they don't know what they don't know.

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Speaker 1: They don't know that they're actually in an active eating discrier, right,

594
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: and we don't know that about the people. I think

595
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that is a big danger. I've probably talked about this before,

596
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: but that's a big danger of marketing through social media

597
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: and through influencers. Is these people seem relatable and they

598
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: like I want to be just like them, and they

599
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: seem so healthy and they take care of themselves. We

600
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: don't actually know what's going on, and if they are

601
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: actually struggling with something like an eating disorder, even disordered eating,

602
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: an exercise addiction, we don't know that, and so for

603
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: us to take their advice blindly, it's easy to do.

604
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: I get it also really really dangerous, And I like

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Speaker 1: what you said of like, I don't think anybody's in

606
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: an eating disorder, Like I'm going to go ruin people's lives, right,

607
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: It's that they they're in that space where their brain

608
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: really thinks that this is working for them, and so

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00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: they want to help people. So I have compassion for that.

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm really setting a message right now for people to

611
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Speaker 1: just be more cautious, more curious. You could be optimistic,

612
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: but be cautiously optimistic. Yeah, you buy the one hundred

613
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: and forty dollars sylum husk.

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00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're not sure, that's where reaching out

615
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: to a professional just to kind of douce a reality

616
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: check even, you know, like the sillium husk, like is

617
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: this something.

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Speaker 1: I need you? Like maybe?

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Speaker 2: And like metamucles like ten bucks.

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Speaker 1: Of those pore so we can start with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but yeah, I think that it's just if

622
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Speaker 2: you're not sure to ask. Yeah, when you are googling,

623
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Speaker 2: make sure you're looking at credible web pages, professionals in

624
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: their websites, you know, and those type of articles.

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00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having this conversation and I hope

626
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: this was helpful for you guys. If you have any

627
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: questions about things that we talked about, you can send

628
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: those to Katherinet You Need Therapy podcast dot com. And

629
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Speaker 1: if there are questions that I can't answer in Crystal

630
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: can I can get her feedback on those as well.

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Speaker 1: You can follow us at You Need Therapy podcast at

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00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: kat van Buren and where can people follow you in

633
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: your practice? Because you don't work for three quart Therapy,

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Speaker 1: you have your own business.

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00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: You can contact us at Horizon Nutrition Counseling dot com

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Speaker 2: and we are on Instagram at Horizon Underscore Nutrition Counseling.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful all right. I hope you guys have the day

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Speaker 1: you need to have and I will talk to you

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Speaker 1: later by