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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is a Thursday, and there is a ton to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Lincoln Riley, Steve Sarkejian, Mark Sanchez Al joining

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Speaker 1: us on a July show storms, humidity, heat rolling. It

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Speaker 1: is the football season's almost underway.

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Speaker 3: Jamax. Yesterday and little Chicago, let's just say the.

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Speaker 1: Bears practice went a little sideways and Ben Johnson was

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Speaker 1: not happy. It was a little volcanic at the Bear's practice.

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Speaker 3: And you know I'm leading with that.

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Speaker 4: Of course you are, yeah, you are Team Chicago right now.

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Speaker 1: You love it so per multiple reports, I did see

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Speaker 1: some of the video. The Bears offense and Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: were a disaster yesterday. At one point Ben Johnson barking

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Speaker 1: at him. He pulled the first team off the field.

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Speaker 1: It was a disaster for Caleb Williams yesterday and some

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Speaker 1: of his OTA issues resurfaced, not getting the play right,

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Speaker 1: looking disorganized, not getting the footwork right. So two things

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Speaker 1: can be true. I think he's a huge talent, and

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Speaker 1: I also think his critics are valid. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: love Tom Cruise, but I think scientology's wacky. Love my wife,

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Speaker 1: don't agree with her on everything. Smoked a cigar last night. No,

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Speaker 1: it won't extend my life. Have politicians I like don't

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Speaker 1: agree with all their policy Two things are true, Kayleb.

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Speaker 1: Williams is super talented, but you're now starting to see

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Speaker 1: last year OTAs in camp some of the same problems

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Speaker 1: not as correctable as many of us think. Can't get

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Speaker 1: the playwright what I talk about Yesterday, Belichick saying the

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Speaker 1: best part of Brady he got the play right, no

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Speaker 1: pre snap penalties, he didn't hold on the ball too long.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you we're gonna know by early

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Speaker 1: early October if this guy can play. The coach is fine,

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Speaker 1: the offensive line's been upgraded, the weapons are good enough.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about the bears daunting schedule.

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Speaker 1: Oh second toughest in the league. Nonsense. They're favored in

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Speaker 1: for their first six games. For their first six games,

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Speaker 1: it's a bunch of teams rebuilding. New Orleans, Washington, Vegas,

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Speaker 1: Dallas is rebuilding. Jerry Jones doesn't want to admit it,

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Speaker 1: but they're rebuilding. That early schedule and even the later schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's New York, it's Cleveland. There's a lot of reb

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Speaker 1: building teams. There's not a lot of great defenses until

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Speaker 1: you get to Baltimore in late October, so you're gonna

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Speaker 1: know Jayden Daniels coming in with a shaky o line,

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Speaker 1: complete overhaul organizationally, and one big time weapon Terry McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: By early October, we were all going with Jayden Daniels,

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Speaker 1: WHOA We thought he was going to be Lamar Jackson ish.

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Speaker 1: He's Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: That's the new standard, and I'm not asking you to

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Speaker 1: chop it up and be dominating. In September. Bow Knicks

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Speaker 1: with Sean Payton was bad in September, and Sean Payton's

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Speaker 1: as smart as they get. He had a touchdown, four

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Speaker 1: picks and a passer rating in the sixties. But bow

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Speaker 1: It's a new world. I used to be a believer

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Speaker 1: of year two and with when you look at Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna have Steve sarkejan On bottom of the hour,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley, a lot of heat at USC on Lincoln

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Speaker 3: So it's the big ten sec.

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Speaker 1: All these coaches are talking right now and that's why

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Speaker 3: So I'm all fired up.

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Speaker 1: I said this, there's heat on Sark sort of like

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Speaker 1: It's same with Sark. Everybody knows he can coach. He

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Speaker 1: it shows unpopular opinion rivalries are overrated. Ooh, Dallas and

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Speaker 3: In the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The best rivalry is Kansas City in Buffalo. It has

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Speaker 1: Playoff has created two dynamic advantages that college football didn't

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Speaker 1: Texas five years ago, if they would have played, the

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Speaker 3: These are nineteen year old kids.

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Speaker 1: So in a memo to all you college football rivalry

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Iowa and Wisconsin play for a

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares I'm in the Big ten building, nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the Texas Longhorn schedule right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the Red rivalry, read the Red River Rivalry.

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Speaker 1: I got news for you if you let me, If

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Speaker 1: for the Texas Longhorns. Number one would be the game

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Speaker 1: two would be the game at Georgia November, and then

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Speaker 1: The highest rate of game last year for Texas was

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Speaker 1: football rivalries are like family traditions. If you're totally honest

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Speaker 1: with yourself, you're diluted a little bit by him, like

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Speaker 1: Grandma's fruitcake it's mid and you know it and Uncle

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Speaker 1: Hanks peanut riddles stinks. No cap be honest, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you've talked to yourself into thanksgivings.

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Speaker 3: Ooh is the best. But then Earle gets drunk.

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Speaker 1: Go sideways and you regret it and you can't wait

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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear about rivalry games.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State Texas is not only great because the teams

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Speaker 3: It's great because the loser can lose again. Ohio State lost.

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Speaker 1: At Oregon, lost, is a twenty point favorite, was allowed

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Speaker 3: That's how the NFL works. That's how high school football

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Speaker 1: Why in college do you get if you lose a

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Speaker 1: Oh the Iron Bowl, when's the last time it mattered? Now?

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Speaker 1: Michigan in Ohio State remains fantastic. But the NFL is

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Speaker 1: year for college football game, it's gonna be Texas and

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. That's gonna be the big number, not a

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Speaker 1: is a lot to add. I will say this. It

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Speaker 1: is a lot to ask arch manning opening game at

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Speaker 1: with college football national championship momentum, elite coaching staff, and oh,

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Speaker 1: it is a big ask. I can't wait. Jmck we

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Speaker 1: got a lot going on. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. Listen, these offensive coaches like Ben Johnson, I

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Speaker 1: applaud him. He's what's concerning about Caleb Williams. The stuff

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Speaker 4: So his backstory is didn't he follow Lincoln Riley to USC?

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Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley it takes the USC job. It's like, oh yeah, Caleb,

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Speaker 9: going to be critical, and archs does play a part

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Speaker 9: in that. You know, we're fortunate DJ Campbell's a returning starter.

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Speaker 9: Cole Hudson rotated with DJ. Played a bunch of football.

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Speaker 9: Trevor Goosby really at the end of the season. He

436
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Speaker 9: was playing against all sorts of high, high caliber opponents

437
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Speaker 9: from Georgia to Texas A and M to Clemson, so

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Speaker 9: he got a lot of experience at tackle. But there'll

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Speaker 9: be a couple of new faces in there, and I

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Speaker 9: do think that's going to be one of the keys

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Speaker 9: for us in the ballgame is I don't want to

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Speaker 9: say protecting them, but putting them in really good positions

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Speaker 9: so they can go out and execute and play It

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Speaker 9: plays a unit.

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Speaker 1: So Jeremiah Smith is on a short list of the

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Speaker 1: most talented college football players I've ever seen. Reggie Bush.

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Speaker 1: I can remember seeing him as a sophomore and thinking, oh,

448
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Speaker 1: he could probably play in the NFL right now. Javon

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Speaker 1: Curse was kind of like that. When you play a

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Speaker 1: guy like Jeremiah Smith, do you bracket him, do you

451
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Speaker 1: double him? Do you trust your corners? He is so

452
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Speaker 1: physically strong that it's one of those you can take him,

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Speaker 1: do you? I mean? What? How?

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Speaker 3: What is a game plan? Is there a perfect one?

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Speaker 3: Do you just mixed coverages?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 9: It's interesting. I had a chance to coach Julio Jones

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Speaker 9: for two years uh in Atlanta. Reminds me a lot

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Speaker 9: of him. So big and physical but yet fast and

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Speaker 9: then cover ground, so strong at the point of attack

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Speaker 9: when the balls in the air, you see that, you

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Speaker 9: see that, you know, just the ability to make contested catches.

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Speaker 9: And I do think at the end of the day,

464
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Speaker 9: a that's where your attention needs to be. But hey,

465
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Speaker 9: they got really good coaches. He's going to be moving around.

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Speaker 9: He's not going to be lining up in one position

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Speaker 9: all the time. Ideally you've you've got multiple people with

468
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Speaker 9: eyes on him and guarding him. But you can't. You

469
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Speaker 9: still have to play great team defense, and you've got

470
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Speaker 9: to have the ability to stop the run, and you've

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Speaker 9: got to cover the two other white House they have.

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Speaker 9: We are two really good players too, So I do

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Speaker 9: think a multitude of things that you can do well. Uh,

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Speaker 9: but you better know where number four is at all times.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting when you get quarterbacks that I've always

476
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Speaker 1: kind of felt like ideally I was talking to an

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Speaker 1: NFLGM about this. He goes, I'm not really hiring coaches.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm hiring CEOs. A coach to be a CEO. I

479
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Speaker 1: don't want him on the headset constantly. Now at college

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Speaker 1: it feels a little bit different. But you are a

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Speaker 1: CEO at Texas. You have a great athletic director, but

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Speaker 1: I mean nil transfer portal, building a staff players. So

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Speaker 1: how much I know it's Arch's biggest start, yet, how

484
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Speaker 1: much freedom does he get at the line of scrimmage?

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Speaker 9: In the opener, Well, I mean there naturally, there's going

486
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Speaker 9: to be some you know, and we're still formulating that

487
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Speaker 9: game plan. That thing is nowhere near sett and Stone,

488
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Speaker 9: and we're going against a really good defensive coordinator in

489
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Speaker 9: Matt Patrician, which I don't think people are talking to

490
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Speaker 9: a whole lot about of here's a guy who's been

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Speaker 9: an elite defensive coordinator at the NFL level and worked

492
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Speaker 9: under coach Belichick's been a head coach with the Detroit Lions,

493
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Speaker 9: and so that poses its own challenges too. There's not

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Speaker 9: a lot of tape, no no tape of him coaching

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Speaker 9: in college football, and so putting a plan together that

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Speaker 9: we feel good about also gives Arch a little bit

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Speaker 9: of freedom to to get us in and out of

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Speaker 9: some things that, you know, as looks present themselves in

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Speaker 9: the game because there's so many unknowns. I think is

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Speaker 9: going to be critical and he's more than capable of

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Speaker 9: doing that. You know, he's the guys. You know, he's

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Speaker 9: been been raised watching Tate with with Eli and Peyton

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Speaker 9: and his dad and his grandpa and everybody. So we're

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Speaker 9: going to feel good about that. And he's got great

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Speaker 9: composure and he's been in some fires with us already,

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Speaker 9: so we'll feel good about it. Do we want to

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Speaker 9: major in him have an audible on the road. That's

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Speaker 9: a difficult thing to do, but we're gonna give him

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Speaker 9: some opportunities to do those things, especially some critical moments.

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Speaker 3: So I you know, I was thinking about this. I

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Speaker 3: talked to urban Meyer about this.

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Speaker 9: Is that.

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Speaker 1: I an I L's tricky h Lincoln Riley's done a lot,

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly has done a lot, Dion Sanders has done

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Speaker 1: a lot, and those I would argue those there's value

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Speaker 1: to it, but it is hard to create culture and

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Speaker 1: chemistry when you're bringing in a player and paying him

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Speaker 1: three times what you're paying a third year starter.

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Speaker 3: Like in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Everybody understands there's the salary cap and there's certain guys

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Speaker 1: that get it, and that's the quarterback in college. I

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Speaker 1: think the nil. I'm for it, but there is a

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Speaker 1: danger in the transfer portal not screwing up chemistry.

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Speaker 3: Where do you land on?

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Speaker 1: I mean, have there been guys that you really like

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Speaker 1: but you're like, you know what, man, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to pay this receiver that and bring him into our room.

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Speaker 1: Like is that something you have to think a lot

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Speaker 1: about with the NIL.

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Speaker 9: For sure, I think you hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 9: It happened this offseason we ended up not going on

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Speaker 9: a player because I didn't feel comfortable about what he

533
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Speaker 9: would have had to what it would have cost us

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Speaker 9: to get him in comparison to other players on that

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Speaker 9: side of the ball. And we love our culture, and

536
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Speaker 9: we've exhausted ourselves in building the culture here at the

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Speaker 9: University of Texas, and it's really good, and we're navigating

538
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Speaker 9: the NIL space I think is good or better than anybody.

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Speaker 9: I think there's a lot of respect in our locker room.

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Speaker 9: We believe in production. This is a production based industry, right.

541
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Speaker 9: How you perform ultimately is how you get compensated. And

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Speaker 9: and so I think our players understand that. And so

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Speaker 9: when you bring somebody in from the outside that all

544
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Speaker 9: of the sudden is making more than everybody else, I

545
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Speaker 9: think that's when you can run into some problems and

546
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Speaker 9: and so you've got to make those decisions because we're

547
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Speaker 9: a really good football team. That's the beauty of our sport.

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Speaker 9: I think teams win championships, not not just a bunch

549
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Speaker 9: of talented individuals. And we've got a really good team,

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Speaker 9: and I'm very cautious to uh to do anything to

551
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Speaker 9: to cause you know, any type of you know, feud

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Speaker 9: or disruption to that what we have going right now.

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Speaker 3: Finally, what is arch Manning's best trait? Something that you

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Speaker 3: didn't even have to coach.

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Speaker 1: It's just intuitive there, something he just did well the

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Speaker 1: minute he got on campus.

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Speaker 9: Work ethic. His work ethic is incredible, whether it's you know,

558
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Speaker 9: studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft,

559
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Speaker 9: you know, in the weight room like that. That that is,

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Speaker 9: whether it's innate in him or uh it was you know,

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Speaker 9: handed down from his uncles, whatever, whatever it was, his

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Speaker 9: work ethic is really pretty incredible. And that lends itself

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Speaker 9: to the teammate that he is too. And again that's

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Speaker 9: not to take away the arm talent, the deep ball,

565
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Speaker 9: the athleticism, all that. I think all those things are

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Speaker 9: a byproduct of how hard he works at his craft

567
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Speaker 9: and how hard he works at being a great teammate.

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Speaker 9: You know, those those things. I've never had to coach

569
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Speaker 9: him on it that he walked in the door was

570
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Speaker 9: a great teammate and has worked his tail off from

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Speaker 9: day one, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you're a coach. You could do TV. You did

573
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Speaker 1: a little TV, but in the end, you're a coach.

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Speaker 1: You just love coaching. You're an x as and O's guy,

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Speaker 1: one of the smarter guys I've ever met that does that.

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Speaker 1: And I watched Nick Saban on TV, and I think

577
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Speaker 1: he's such a coach. Nick such a coach. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's coming back to college. Let me ask you

579
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Speaker 1: if somebody in the NFL called him, maybe the team

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Speaker 1: that got Arch Manning or got a great quarterback, do

581
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Speaker 1: you think Nick Saban would take the call?

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Speaker 3: You know him, you know him well.

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Speaker 9: You already have him in Cleveland. I heard you day,

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Speaker 9: you already have in Cleveland. He's coaching Arch. I only

585
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Speaker 9: have Arch for one year. I was going to have

586
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Speaker 9: him for two.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: You know, hey, he is a great coach and I

589
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Speaker 9: loved my time working for Nick. I mean, he really

590
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Speaker 9: is a fantastic coach. I think he feels really comfortable

591
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Speaker 9: to me. You know, he's really good on TV. I

592
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Speaker 9: think he enjoys what he gets to do. He's playing

593
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Speaker 9: a ton of golf, which which which he loves doing.

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Speaker 9: I'm sure, I'm sure you know miss Terry loves having

595
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Speaker 9: him at home, so I don't know, you know that

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Speaker 9: that's obviously a personal thing. As he grows. I know

597
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Speaker 9: he's one of, if not the most competitive person I've

598
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Speaker 9: ever been around. Some sort of those competitive juices get

599
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Speaker 9: flowing pretty good. But man, he looks like he's having

600
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Speaker 9: a lot of fun doing television. He looks relaxed, and

601
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Speaker 9: he's great for our sport. You know, I know people

602
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 9: are love tuning into it to hear his inside out

603
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Speaker 9: all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was just speculation on my part.

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Speaker 3: I you know, I just that's what I do. Steve great,

606
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Speaker 3: seeing you you too, man, you too?

607
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Speaker 1: All right, one of my favorite guys, Sark, who's had

608
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Speaker 1: just a fascinating journey. I mean, I'm telling you right, Texas,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. I mean, I am parked. Pregame game, post game.

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Speaker 3: On Fox. That is going to be.

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Speaker 1: That's as good an opening game as we've ever had

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Speaker 1: on that Labor Day weekend. That's as good as it gets.

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Speaker 9: It's the hurt