1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's seven 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen, the new 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: network for crime Climb stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: x him Triumph Channel one thirty two. A chillingly meticulous 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: plan put together by Stephen Paddock, which included weapons modified 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: into machine guns. Authorities for covering a total of forty 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: seven firearms, including that startling arsenal found in this hotel room, 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: thousands of rounds of ammunition and be fired off and 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: on for somewhere between nine and eleven minutes. Fire arms 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: have been recovered. These farms were recovered from three different locations. 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: It was a hotel security guard who may have stomped 16 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: the slaughter. He was advancing towards the room when the 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: suspect fired through the door at the security guard. Panic 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: was able to shoot the guard through the door. He 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: was able to provide additional information to the police on 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: exactly which room that we were looking at that wounded 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: security guard, providing crucial intelligence to Swan teams who about 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: an hour later breached that door. Bridge Bridge Brige All 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Eyes on Las Vegas, Nevada, as we try to unravel 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: what happened to so many victims, Joining me Aunt Harris, 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, five time Emmy Award winner Dr Bethany Marshall's 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of l A death scene investigator Joe Scott Morgan, 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, and joining me right now 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: is a very special guest, a woman who was there 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: and lived to tell the tell Barry Adams is joining us. 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: She was there at that country music festival, heard the 31 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: shots and survived, and she's joining us now. Barry, Thank 32 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: you for being with us. Thank you for having me, Barry. 33 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: As now, the news is that possibly this guy's girlfriend 34 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: knew what was going on and took a flight out 35 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: of town just after the shooter Funnels For a hundred 36 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, I'd like to hear in your own words, 37 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: what happened just as Jason Aldeen took the stage. Okay, 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: So Jason came on stage, and uh, he did two songs, 39 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: and then he talked just a little bit basically about 40 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: how he was not going to be talking or you know, 41 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: doing a lot of dancing. He was just gonna be 42 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: playing music. And then he proceeded to do two more songs, 43 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: and it was in I believe that fourth song that 44 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: you started to hear the gun fire, and um, he 45 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: stopped and he turned around and he ran off stage. 46 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: When you first heard the gunfire, joining me is Barry Adams, 47 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: who lived through the Vegas massacre. When you first heard it, 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: I've listened to it over and over. Barry. It sounds 49 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: like popping, like a fireworks or something. It did sound 50 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: a little bit like fireworks. Um, but I think that 51 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: I quickly knew that it was not fireworks because it 52 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: was in perfect succession. So, you know, I've been around guns, 53 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: I've been around gunfire, and I knew that that's not 54 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: what was happening. What did you do you hear this? 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: And what happened? I turned around and looked at my 56 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: husband and we knelt down on the ground and we 57 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: immediately prayed, and then I kind of got up underneath him. 58 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: He out on top of me. I pulled out my 59 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: phone and I text my boys, so you're here gun 60 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: fire and dropped to your knees and pray, mm hmm. 61 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Immediately immediately, what did you say? Well, I first prayed 62 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: that this was not gunfire, but I knew in the 63 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: back of my head that it was. And then I 64 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: just prayed that God would be with us because I 65 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: knew that I couldn't I couldn't do this on my 66 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: on my own. Very Where were you, Where were you positioned? 67 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Where were you sitting? If your face stage? We were 68 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: standing to the left side, and we were very close, 69 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: maybe ten or fifteen yards from the stage, so we 70 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: were very close to the day after. After you had 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: knelt down and prayed, what happened then? Um? When he well, 72 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: like I said, my husband kind of got on top 73 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: of me. I pulled out my phone. I was on 74 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: my knees and I text my boys and my mom 75 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: that I loved them more than they knew. And then 76 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: he finished empia in that clip, and so we had 77 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen seconds and I told my husband, 78 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: we got a guy to here. We have to run. Wait. Wait, 79 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to take it in. I remember 80 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: the moment um A doctors had told me that they 81 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: had found a mass on my ovaries and that had 82 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: grown very, very aggressively, and I had to leave the doctor. 83 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I remember it was pouring rain, and I went to 84 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: pick the children up. I think they're about three at 85 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: play school, and I remember that moment thinking how many 86 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: more days will I be able to pick them up? 87 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: What's going to happen? Am I going to see them 88 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: grow up? And I remember that moment when they came 89 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: running to me that morning at play school, and I'm 90 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: just trying to get a mental picture of you Berry 91 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: texting your children that you love them and your family. 92 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: I mean, what was going through your mind that I 93 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: had that I had to get back to my boys. 94 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: That's where I was running too. I was running to 95 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: my boys. How old are they? Fourteen and sixteen years old? 96 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: Just really right when they need you the most? I mean, 97 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: anybody can change a diaper or give a baby bottle, 98 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: but it swims. They're growing up and they need their 99 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: mother and they need their father to guide them and 100 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: help them to get them across the finish line. That's 101 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: when I think they need you the most. Barry what 102 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: what did you text them? I love you more than 103 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: you know? That was it? When you were texting your children? 104 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: What was happening around you? What did you see? What 105 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: did you hear? Um? I heard gunshots was the the 106 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: loudest and uh, people were screaming and uh. By the 107 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: time we got over the the first and second fitch, 108 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: you could hear people started starting to break windows out 109 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: of the buildings to try to get inside of buildings. Um. 110 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: People were putting people in the back of trucks. Um. Yeah, 111 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: people were hurt. It just it sounded like the closest 112 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: thing I could imagine to be in an a war. 113 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: It was very disorienting. It was dark, and the gun 114 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: shots were reverberating, so you couldn't tell where they were 115 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: coming from. So you could have been running towards the shooter. 116 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 1: You don't really know if you're running towards our away. 117 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: You were just trying to get out. What was the 118 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: crowd doing a lot of people were just trying to 119 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: get down, which didn't help anybody because the gun shots 120 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: were becoming they were coming from above. But you know, 121 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: when you hear gunshots, you think get down. I had 122 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: actually read or watched I can't remember active shooter training, 123 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: and I remember it was shocking to me because I 124 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: my first thought was always to get down or to 125 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: play dead, and he said, that's actually not what you 126 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: need to do. If you're in an open space, you 127 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: need to run. So that came in very handy for 128 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: me because I knew to run, and I think a 129 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: lot of people did not. I just don't know you 130 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: had the presence of mind to even think, you know, 131 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: it just came. It was in the back of my head, 132 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: and I had talked to my boys about it. Unfortunately, 133 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, hey, this is what you need to do 134 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: if you're ever in a situation with a shooter. We 135 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: had gone over it, what you needed to do in 136 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: the different situations, and it just came. It just came forward, 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: you know. So what did you do to try and escape? Uh? Well, 138 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: the first time we ran, we ran to a bar 139 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: area where they were serving food and we jumped over 140 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: it and got underneath that, and then we realized that 141 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: there was no hard surface, that was just cloth and canvas, 142 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: So then we ran to So that was not going 143 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 1: to protect you, so you had to keep going. And 144 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: when you ran to the beverage area, what did you 145 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: see around you? The people behind the counter were not 146 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: they know a lot of people were not responding. They 147 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: just they were not um. They didn't understand what was happening. 148 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: And even one of the guys behind the counter looked 149 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: at me and said, it's just a speaker. I said, 150 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: it's not a speaker, and you need to run like 151 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: they just didn't understand what was happening. So we ran 152 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: from that area when it stopped again, to the fence, 153 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: and the fence was about ten feet high, so I 154 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: couldn't get my boots into the fence to scale it. 155 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: There happened to be a gator like an a TV there. 156 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: I call up on the gator and then I was 157 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: able to get over the fence the first sense um 158 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: and then and all this time the shots are still 159 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: ringing out constant, with only a ten or fifteen second 160 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: stopping between. It was horrifying. You just thought they were coming, 161 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: and there's more than one and you don't know where 162 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: it's coming from. So then we get to another fence 163 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: and people had pushed that sense down and we're going 164 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: over that fence and a girl had her foot caught 165 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: in it, her leg and my husband stopped and you know, 166 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: helped her get her leg out because she was literally 167 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: just penned and trapped there and people were going over her. 168 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: I hope you remember that in the future when you 169 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: have to look at it like every wife does. Why 170 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: did I marry him? You remember that moment that he 171 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:40,359 Speaker 1: stopped and he helped that woman get her leg out? Yeah? 172 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: I think it all the time, and I look at 173 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: my husband and I remember when he saved me from 174 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: drowning one time. He risked his own life to save me, 175 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: and I remember that when I feel like d I 176 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: v O r ce. So your husband actually stopped and 177 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: helped another person get their leg out. Yes, And you 178 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: saw so much of that. People were very, very kind. 179 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: People were trying not to trample each other. They were 180 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: covering each other. Um, everybody was really working together. It 181 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: was it was good. That was good. I just can't imagine. 182 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: It was dark. You heard the guns fire, it wasn't stopping. 183 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people were screaming a lot of people 184 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't even know what was going on, and said the speakers, Okay, 185 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: so you get over the second fence, then what happens? Um, Well, 186 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: by then I started to struggle a little bit because 187 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I think I had so much adrenaline in me. I 188 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: started to have trouble breathing, I started to have trouble walking. 189 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: I just I was shutting down. And my husband just 190 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: kept you know, at that point, he was keeping me going. 191 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't think I could run any further, 192 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: but he, um, he kept me going. And we were 193 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: going down the street and we just saw this, how 194 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: was keeping you going? He was just pulling me. He 195 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: was just pulling my arm and saying, come on, we 196 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: gotta keep going. We gotta keep going. You can do it. 197 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: We gotta keep going. And then we saw a guy. 198 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: He just saw a guy, a young guy, dropped down 199 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: the street and he just flagged them down and and said, hey, 200 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, I'll give you forty bucks if you'll just 201 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: take us back to our hotel right now. And the 202 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: guy said, what's going on? And he said, you know, 203 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: there's a there's a shooting, and can just please take 204 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: us back to our hotel? And this it was just 205 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: a young kid, and he said sure, and we got 206 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: in the car and he took us back to our hotel, 207 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: which was not on the strip, that was a couple 208 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: of blocks away. Uh, he would not take our money. 209 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: And before he left, he said, you know, I just 210 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: I live in that area, and I'm gonna go back 211 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: and see if i can get some more people out 212 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: of there. I mean, that's incredible. Whoever he is, God 213 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: bless him, because no one will ever know that that 214 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: guy was helping people. Can I ask you something? What 215 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: went through your mind when you saw your boys account? Ah? 216 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any words. I was just 217 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: so thankful for that opportunity, you know, just the opportunity 218 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: to continue to do this, to be their mom. I 219 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: want to pause and thank our partner who was making 220 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: our serious sex in one program possible. It's legal Zoom. 221 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: When you run your own business, you know, time equals money. 222 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: That's not just an old thing, it's true. So why 223 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: waste your valuable time dealing with issues legal Zoom can 224 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: help with? 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What 244 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: do you feel? I don't know. I think I'm still 245 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: in a little bit of shock, you know, I'm still 246 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: just so it's surreal, like it's it happened, but it 247 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: didn't happen. And that's so strange. It's such a strange feeling. 248 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: I know, I know in my mind that there are 249 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: people that are not going home to their families. It's 250 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: just I mean, there's no rhyme or reason to you 251 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: know what happened. It's just it's sad. It's so sad, 252 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know how to explain it to my boys. 253 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're doing the best we can, but it's 254 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: really hard. You know. My main concern was we didn't 255 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: sleep all night, and I wanted to make sure that 256 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: I called and got ahold of my oldest side where 257 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: he got up for school and looked at his phone 258 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: or turned on the TV and just experience the you 259 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: know that feeling. I want to just him to know 260 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: that we were okay, we were coming home. What did 261 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: your sons do when they saw their mothers? They just 262 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: hugged me. They just hugged me and hugged me. They 263 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: didn't cry that um My son texts me, you know 264 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: several times when he went back to school the next 265 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: day and make sure I was okay. So I knew 266 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: it was on their mind before this incident. They would 267 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: always tell me, you know, don't mom me, you're so crazy. 268 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: You warned me about all this stuff, and you know 269 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: you're so overprotective. I don't think they're gonna, you know, 270 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: you just make I just want to rip this earpiece 271 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: out and run to my children right now and my 272 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: husband and my mom, Just thinking what went through your 273 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: mind and went through your heart and when you wanted 274 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: to just stop running and hide the way you said, 275 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: just and to look back and think so many other 276 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: people didn't make it, and people that are wounded may 277 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: still pass away. The death count can go up. It's 278 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: just and then of course you're gonna wonder, why did 279 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: I make it and they didn't make it? What about 280 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: all the other parents that didn't make it? And exactly, 281 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: I just am grateful that you did. Now, your husband, Jason, right, 282 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: is he right there with you? Can he pick up 283 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: for a second? Hold on? Hello, Okay, Jason, I'm just 284 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: hearing from your wife Barry about what you did during 285 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: the shooting. When you first heard the bullets? What what 286 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: did you think it was? You know, I actually thought 287 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: it was a helicopter because the way that it was 288 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: reverberating off all the building was a very odd sound 289 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: and it was really tough to tell what it was. 290 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: We heard gunshot, we know a gunshots sound like hearing 291 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: him in sen session like that, like Tapa. It almost 292 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: sounded like some kind of helicopter was trying to take off, 293 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: and a lot of people were looking that direction. So 294 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: when did you realize it was they were actually bullets. 295 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: I think we finally realized it was bullets when Jason 296 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: Aldeen actually missed a lyric and was looking left and 297 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: he kind of stopped singing that the band was playing, 298 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: and then he ducked and ran off the stage. Is 299 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: when we kind of were like, this is something really serious. 300 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: What did you do when you saw Aldi leave the stage? 301 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: Thank god, because he's an open target to right up 302 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: there on the stage. What did you do? Well? We 303 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: She turned around on me immediately and then she I mean, 304 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: like she told you on the on the phone here 305 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: that it was just amazing to see her kneel down 306 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: and immediately start praying. And I dealt down with her 307 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: and started praying as well, and then I saw other 308 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: people around us start to kneel and that's when she 309 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: crawled up underneath me and I kind of covered her 310 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: to kind of see. We thought the heater was ground level. 311 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: We had no idea this year was you know, elevated position. 312 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: So as far as we knew, he was walking through 313 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: the gates, you know, shot security guards and was working 314 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: his way through the crowd. So we thought, as you know, 315 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: low as possible would be the best scenario. But after that, first, 316 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, sixty rounds or whatever he was shooting, it 317 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: could have been a hundred rounds, and so all we 318 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: know was done. That's when we got up and she 319 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: looked at me and said, we gotta run, and so 320 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: we ran and she literally dove behind this counter um 321 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: that was we thought was a hard surface on the 322 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: on the outside, but we found out once we got 323 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: behind it that it was actually just made a clock. 324 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: Everything was skeleton. If you know anything about these festivals, 325 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: there's nothing hard surface. So then what happened. And once 326 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: we were behind there, other women were literally jumping and 327 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: diving and hitting like sliding so hard across the countertops. 328 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: Their bodies were slamming into the into the into the 329 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: food service little trailers. And I was like, ladies, y'all 330 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: need to be careful because at that point, you know 331 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: that they could almost kill themselves or hurt themselves just 332 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: the way that they were jumping and diving head first. 333 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: And then I'm looking for something hard surface because I'm 334 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: almost I see that the fact that the outer part 335 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: of the counter is just nothing but cloth and she 336 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: Barry's got her back up against it, and I said, baby, 337 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: you can't stay there. Let if they could shoot straight 338 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: through that surface. So I'm looking for something hard. There 339 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: was a cooler. I tried to roll him the way, 340 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: but I quickly realized that that just wasn't gonna work 341 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: because at that moment time the second, you know, clips 342 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: of bullets were starting to fly, and you know, people 343 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: were running and screaming everywhere. And then we look kind 344 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: of both believed. I guess we both had decided that 345 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: we have to get out of here at this point. 346 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: And we had spent the last two evenings on that 347 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: left side, and there's like a little tower in the corner. 348 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: We both just ran towards that tower. And there's a 349 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: perimeter fence there. If you guys have seen the news, 350 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: we were we were pretty much caged in there. There 351 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: was no way out, so there was only one exit, 352 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: and it was back at the beginning. So there was 353 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: this huge, you know, nine ft fence there. And Barry 354 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: started to run to the left and I called her back. 355 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, And I saw some people 356 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: jumping up on the top of a gate and and 357 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: and springing over the fence. I said, we have to 358 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: go this way. It's kind of like a four wheeler, 359 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: but you know it's uh people use them on farms 360 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: or you know, they also use them. You know, it's 361 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: like an all terrain vehicle, but it's got a roof, 362 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: so they climb up on that and then get over. 363 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: Because the fence was so high, there's no way she 364 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: could have made it, you know, as a woman. And 365 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: there remember this is there's a lot of women here. 366 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: There was a lot of women at these concerts, you know, 367 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: women with their you know, with their young children, as 368 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: far as girls teenagers that wanted to see country music. 369 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: So that's what I was in fear of that. There's 370 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: women everywhere. So as we're going over, there's also other 371 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: women going over the fence as well. And there was 372 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: another man on the other side that was trying to 373 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: help some of the women drop because it's another you know, 374 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: non foot drop on the other side. Barry actually tore 375 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: up her leg a lot. She told you that she's 376 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: got scrapes and bruises all the way down her right leg. 377 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I saw a photo of what 378 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: happened to her legs. Just totally destroyed trying to jump 379 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: back over, so you get, don't you get her and 380 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: other people over the fence to take off running across 381 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: the other fence, and then what happened, well, yeah, we 382 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: well the other fence was she was trying to go 383 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: down towards the parking lot because again you still hear 384 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: the bullets, because it's just he's continually to unload bullets 385 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: and we have no idea where this person is or 386 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: if there's more than one or whatever. It's just complete 387 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: chaos at this point. And there's another perimeter fence that 388 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: I see people pushing at that at that same moment, 389 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: like it's it's already kind of down that people are pushing, 390 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and this one lady was like trapped all tangled up 391 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: in the and one of the wires, and as people 392 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: are just flying past her, she stops. She's like, please 393 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: help me, and my leg is caught, and you know, 394 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, people don't mean to push, but they're kind 395 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: of pushing in that in that situation, they're trying to 396 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: get around you because they're just wanting to get away. 397 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: So I'm untangling this lady's leg and she is so 398 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: thankful because you know, once a mob of people run 399 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: over you like that, you can just literally die just 400 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: being trampled and and and being trapped up underneath, you know, 401 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: this situation. So she got out and then there was 402 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: there was nancy. There were shoes, purses, sunglasses, I mean 403 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: you talk, everything just just littered everywhere as people just 404 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: dropping whatever they had in their hands and running. And 405 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: we saw boots laying on the ground where people have 406 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: literally ran out of their boots, just escaping the situation. 407 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: Once we got over that past that second fence, you know, 408 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: like Barry was saying, her adrenaline has gone. She's wiped out, right, 409 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: So we just continue to keep running down this road 410 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: and people are breaking windows. It sounds like trying to 411 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: get into some of these buildings that directly behind the 412 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: the complex, like maybe it's some office suites or something, 413 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: just trying to seek shelter. I don't know why, but 414 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: that was disoriented as well, because you're thinking, why they 415 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: breaking windows? Are they just trying to seek shelter. All 416 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: this time you can hear bullets, just bullets, bullets, bullets 417 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: bullets with me is Jason out of this is Barry's husband, 418 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: Both survivors of the worst mass shooting in US history, Jason, 419 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: when you hear of things like that, CBS lawyer Thank 420 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: Good as CBS fired her, it says she really didn't 421 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: have any sympathy for the victims because there are probably 422 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: gun titen Republicans. I mean, why would somebody say something 423 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: like that. I don't know. I think if you look 424 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: at the statement released by Jason Aldean, I think it 425 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: really hits the It really hits the mark when he 426 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: talks about we're not Republicans. You know, we're not Democrats. 427 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: Were all Americans. You know, there's not there's no black 428 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: white I couldn't agree with him more. I mean, I 429 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: just I just can't get over it. I mean, I 430 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: love country music and I wouldn't have a gun in 431 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: the house to say for any reason, I'm a gun 432 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: violence victim, and I think that's just so hurtful on 433 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: top of everything else these victims have lived through. Well, 434 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: that's I think it's your profiling people. I actually had 435 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: friends because the company that I worked for is based 436 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: out of California, and we had friends there from California, 437 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of Democrats in California, 438 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: and um, I just hate that people are not not 439 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: not caring about the victims that have lived through so much. 440 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: I've got to ask you when you saw when you 441 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: realized that you guys were safe, that you and Barry 442 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: were safe, that moment that you realized you were you 443 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: were safe, what did you do. I think we were 444 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: just holding hands and comforting each other, um in the 445 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: car and realizing that we had finally got with this. 446 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: This young man, his name was Eric, of her call, 447 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: was able to pick us up on the street, and 448 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: he was he was driving blind into it as well. 449 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: He didn't know. We actually have his picture. She took 450 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: his picture when we got out of car because he 451 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: was You sent it to me and I'll put it 452 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: on crime online. We'll try to find him and thank him. Okay, Yeah, 453 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. When you first saw 454 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: your boys again back home, What went through your mind? 455 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: What went through your heart? I think that when the 456 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: moment we walked in, both boys had realized just because 457 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: for a long time, Nancy, we didn't realize what the 458 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: severity of the situation was. We didn't realize how many 459 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: people on the other side. Um, Like I told you, 460 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: some of my friends from California, they actually went through 461 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: the other perimeter fence, they saw some of the carnage 462 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: and and just the destruction this man had caused. And um, 463 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't until the morning hours we realized 464 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: just how bad it was. We bury didn't sleep at all. 465 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: You know, I have been through so many homicides and 466 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: so many homicide scenes and autopsies, and when you see 467 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: bullets that have ripped through people's bodies and destroyed everything 468 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: inside a human being, it's it's horrible, Jason. The people 469 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: just just like you and me. I mean, these people 470 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: with lives, with families, with children, you know, with mothers 471 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: and fathers and brothers and sisters, and there they are, 472 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: and you know they didn't They were just out there 473 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: just enjoying themselves. This was a family festival. They're playing cornicles. 474 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: We were. We were watching the line dancers just moments 475 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: before on the on the other side, on the Mando 476 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: Laid bayside, before we decided to walk over, we could 477 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: have been right there in that path of destruction. Jason, 478 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: I got one more question for you. When you got 479 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: down on your knees with your wife, Barry, and you 480 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: prayed as the bullets were We're being fired. What did you. 481 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: We just prayed that that that God be with us 482 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: at that moment because we needed something. We needed some 483 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: kind of comforting at that point, because we knew that 484 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: there was something really bad about to happen. We just 485 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: prayed to God be with us and for not to 486 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: be a gun. Please God, don't let that be a gun, 487 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: because we knew that there were thirty thousand plus people 488 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: at that festival, and then women, children and and and 489 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: it was just it could have been something. It is 490 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: something just completely unimaginable destruction. Jason and Barry Adams, you 491 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: really don't know what speaking to us and all of 492 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: our listeners has meant to us. And I want to 493 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: thank you, and you go be with your boys. Thank you, 494 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: Aunt Harris. We now are hearing the girlfriend of the 495 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: Vegas Sheeter, was met by the FBI at l a 496 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: x So. She gets back from the Philippines and a wheelchair. 497 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: She is a person of interests as details of her 498 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: double life began to emerge. What do we know aret anything? 499 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: We know that Mary Low dan Lee was living with 500 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: the shooter, Stephen Paddock, in a small town outside Las Vegas, 501 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: keat Nevada. She too took off for Japan U shortly 502 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: before this happened. And we know that this man was 503 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: up in the thirty second floor sweet that the hotel 504 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: comped him four because he was an avid gambler who frequented. 505 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: The people below we just heard from had no idea 506 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: they were being shot at by a man who had 507 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: twenty three guns in his room. They were retrofitted to 508 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: fire hundreds of rounds a minute, and he was moving 509 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: from gun to gun. Now, as far as Mary Lou 510 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: Danley goes, we don't know. She's not considered to be 511 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: connected to the crime. But he did wire Stephen Paddock, 512 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: retired c p A sixty four years old. He did 513 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: wire a hundred thousand dollars to um an unknown account 514 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: in the Philippines, where she is well. We also know 515 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: something else, Art, and I'm gonna throw this to you, 516 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of l A. We also 517 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: know from her sister that she was purposefully sent away 518 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: by the Vegas shooter, who told her he got her 519 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: some cheap flights home to two weeks before the shooting, 520 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: so he intentionally sent her away. Yeah, I think that's 521 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: so interesting that he sent her away because it tells 522 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: me that this is not something that came from out 523 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: of the blue for him. He was planning this for 524 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: a long long time. Nancy. This was not spontaneous. And 525 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: you know all the reports I read, people are saying, 526 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: we don't know what the motive is with it's inexplicable 527 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: that somebody would have done this, Nancy, I feel like 528 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: I do know what the motive is. If you really 529 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: know anything about the psychopathic mind, and we talked about 530 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: this a lot over the years, Psychopaths are prone to boredom. 531 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: They have inner emptiness. It's a part of the character pathology. 532 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: It's it's the same character pathology as a serial killer. 533 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: So you know how serial killers can just pop up 534 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: kill somebody, go into hiding for months or years, then 535 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: they pop up and they kill again. It's because the 536 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: fantasy is about killing. Are in a sense, they're antidote 537 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: to the inner deadness, in the inner boredom. They have 538 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: a very rich fantasy life. So I think with Stephen Paddock, 539 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: he was probably one of these people who are sort 540 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: of like a thrilled seeker through the gambling and some 541 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: of his other activities, and that the collecting of the 542 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: guns was a part of a secret life designed to 543 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: be very stimulating and fantasy filled for him. And when 544 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: he finally got to the point where he got up 545 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: the courage to commit the crime, to perpetrate the crime, 546 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: and to fulfill all of these fantasies, that's when he 547 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: sent her out of the country. Take a listen to 548 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: what the Vegas gunman's girl friends lawyer, that's right, she's 549 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: all lawyered up, has to say. I have a statement 550 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: to read from my climarily Damily. I am devastated by 551 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: the deaths and injuries that have occurred. In my prayers 552 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: go out to the victims and their families and all 553 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: those who have been hurt by these awful events. The 554 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: bodies of Americans strown across a field along with rash 555 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: food shoes as people literally ran out of their shoes 556 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: trying to get away, a complete nightmare for everyone attending 557 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: that country music festival. And now it is emerging that, 558 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: according to some police, the Vegas killer had to have 559 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: an accomplice. Quote, he had to have help at some point, 560 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: because this guy's level of planning, the firearms, ammunition all 561 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: point to an accomplice. A police as they search for 562 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: a mystery woman that was with him, according to eyewitness 563 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: says during his last days. First of all, we know 564 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: the girlfriend had been shuttled off back home thousands of 565 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: miles away, that he had gotten her a ticket and 566 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: had her leave. But what if anything, did she know 567 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: about his plans? Stephen Paddock planned to escape after shooting 568 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: dead nearly sixt p bull injuring hundreds, say cops, how 569 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: do they know that? Joining me right now, investigative reporter, 570 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: five time Emmy Award winner Art Harris, Cheryl McCullum, crime 571 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: scene investigator, director of the Cold Case Institute, and psychoanalysts 572 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: out of l A. Dr Bethany Marshall also with me, 573 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: Alan Duke the Deep joining me from l A. Art Harris. 574 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: Why do they believe that he had an accomplice and 575 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: an escape route? Nancy? They believed that he had an 576 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: accomplice because there was too much meticulous planning going on. 577 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: He had put two cameras outside in the hall to 578 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: monitor people coming up at him that would indicate he 579 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: was not only one, not only suspecting someone would try 580 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: to breach his room, but maybe figure out how to 581 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: get out. The other thing he had amassed more than 582 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: twenty seven guns. Well, he bought most of almost thirty 583 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: guns in the last year at different shops, different gun stores, Vegas, Utah, California. 584 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: And to spread it out so people would not, you know, 585 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: associate him as amassing an amount from one store. And 586 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: to do this get it back to uh Nevada because 587 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: to the room and kim suitcases up to the room, 588 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: Nancy r. He bought thirty three rifles in one month alone. 589 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: Thirty three rifles in one month alone. Um, here's the 590 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: thing about that. People are now claiming that he was 591 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: in some sort of a few state, the depression, that 592 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: he was spiraling down. You know what, Dr Bethany Marshall, 593 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: I don't give a flying fig about that, because he 594 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: was not insane at the time of the murders. He 595 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: had this so well planned. Insanity under our legal definition 596 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: is knowing right from wrong. And he knew what he 597 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: was doing was wrong at the time he did at Bethany, Well, 598 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: he knew what was wrong because he installed the cameras right, 599 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: so he didn't want to be caught. So that implies 600 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: a knowledge of right and wrong. But Nancy, this is 601 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: not mental illness. And because an enormous amount of energy 602 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: went into the planning. It takes so much time and 603 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: so much energy to purchase all those guns, So the 604 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: idea that he would be depressed or in a few 605 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: state would not match up with somebody who took that 606 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: much time. Let's talk about a potential woman who was 607 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: seen with Paddock in the days before the shooting while 608 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: his girlfriend was out of the country. Is she connected 609 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: to the single worst shooting incident in US history? Cops 610 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: now asking for your help to find this woman. We 611 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: know that a room service receipt indicated two people were 612 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: eating in his room. What do we know about her 613 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: being spotted by other eyewitnesses? Aren't Harris when the anthy there. 614 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: Their's reports are just trickling in. But someone in the hotel, uh, 615 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: but very little. At this point, they are trying to 616 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: connect anyone who had any contact with him. Remember this 617 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: was a high roller, Nancy. He frequented this this hotel 618 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: quite a bit, spent more than a million dollars there. 619 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: That so much that they had calmped him a free suite, 620 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: which is common with big gamblers. So you know, he 621 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: had met Mary Lou Danley's girlfriend at a casino and Reno. 622 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: So he was a you know, you could call him 623 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: a night prowler. Probably at the casino here knew a 624 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: lot of people in a very cursory way from his gambling. 625 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: So they've got to rule all those people out, people 626 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: who had and came in contacting with him at the 627 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: at bars, at the tables, uh, and and in the hotel. 628 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: You know, I think he had planned an even bigger 629 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: assault to Cheryl McCullum, crime scene investigator in the director 630 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: of the coal case INSTITTI because in his car we 631 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: now know he had two fifty pound tens uh, the 632 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: explosive tanner righte it was in Um, wait a minute, 633 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: it was in two twenty pound tens and one tin 634 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: pound ten. He also had sixteen hundred, one thousand, six 635 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: hundred rounds of ammunition. If he had shot his car 636 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: or somehow set his car on fire, Cheryl, who know 637 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: what would have happened. It would have been so divantrous, Nancy, 638 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: it's beyond our comprehension. Um. He also there's a theory 639 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: that he might have tried to hit some aviation tank 640 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,919 Speaker 1: full of fuel. And again you're talking about taking out 641 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: thousands of people at that point, all eyes now on 642 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: the girl friend. Take a listen to what else her 643 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: lawyer has to say. I have a statement to read 644 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: from my clientarily damnly. I am devastated by the deaths 645 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: and injuries that have occurred in My prayers go out 646 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: to the victims and their families and all those who 647 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: have been hurt by these awful events. I had faith 648 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: in God, and I will continue to pray for everyone 649 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: who has been harmed or hurt. I am a mother 650 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: and a grandmother, and my heart breaks for all who 651 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: have lost loved ones. I knew Stephen Paddock as a kind, caring, 652 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: quiet man. I loved him and hoped for a quiet 653 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: future together with him. He never said anything to me 654 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: or took any action that I was aware of that 655 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: I understood in any way to be a warning that 656 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: something horrible like this was going to happen. A little 657 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: more than two weeks ago, Stephen told me he found 658 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: the cheap ticket for me to the Philippines and that 659 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: he wanted me to take a trip home to see 660 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: my family. Like all Filipinos abroad, I was excited to 661 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: go home and see family and friends. While there. He 662 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: wired me money what he said was for me to 663 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: buy a house for me and my family. I was grateful, 664 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: but honestly, I was worried that first the unexpected trip 665 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: home and then the money was a way of breaking 666 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: up with me. It never occurred to me in any 667 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: way whatsoever that he was planning violence against anyone. I 668 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: have not made a statement until now because I have 669 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: been cooperating with the authorities, and I voluntarily flew back 670 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: to America because I know that the FBI in Las 671 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: Vegas Police Department wanted to talk to me, and I 672 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: want to talk to them. I will cooperate fully with 673 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: their investigation. Anything I can do to help ease suffering 674 00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: and help it anyway I will do. Please respect my 675 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: privacy and my family's privacy. Thank you, you know, Cheryl McCullum. 676 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,919 Speaker 1: The reason that they are believing he must have had 677 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: an accomplice is because of all of this, Emma. I mean, 678 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: how did he get it up to his room. I'm wondering, 679 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: chryl if he didn't do it in phases like check 680 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: in with two bags and then go out to his 681 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: car and bring in more. Right, I have no doubt 682 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: he's teeth milled it again. Namecy the largest crime scene 683 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: I've ever been a part of was the Olympics, and 684 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: as you will know, there was planning. They were patient 685 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: or he was patient. I have no doubt all three 686 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: thirty You know, the thirty three guns are going to 687 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: come back to him. The room is his, the planning 688 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: was his. It's all gonna point to him. He did 689 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: this by himself. So what do you make of the 690 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: girlfriend's claim Dr Bethany Marshall that she thought he sent 691 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: her away to break up with her. Well, it was 692 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: a beautifully crafted statement, and I'm sure she was helped 693 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: by her attorney. UM that that, Um, he was a 694 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: kind and quiet man. She didn't know that he was 695 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: planning to do this. She thought that he was going 696 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: to break up with her. Um. But I'm very disturbed 697 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: by something her brother said on g m A yesterday. 698 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 1: The brother said that when she when he called Mary 699 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: Lou to let her know what Stephen had done, one 700 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: of her first comments was I have a clear conscience. 701 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: That was a very odd response. Um, not oh my god, 702 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: what what do you mean? Or he killed dozens of 703 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: people or what are you talking about? That? That was 704 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: not her first response. It was I have a clean conscience. 705 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: So It tells me that while she may not have 706 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: been consciously aware that he was planning this, she knew 707 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: at some unconscious or disavowed level that something very strange 708 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: was going on in her household. You cannot tell me 709 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: that a woman can live in a house with that 710 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: many guns that are being stockpiled and he's not thinking 711 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: about it, She's not wondering about it. And Nancy, I 712 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the pictures of the of 713 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: the home that they shared, but it looks like the 714 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: garage is barricaded in front. I've been looking at that 715 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: picture over and over again, the image of the home, 716 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like there's a regular garage door. 717 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: It looks like it's been replaced with some kind of 718 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: a barricade. So how can she go in and out 719 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: of the house and not noticed that a whole section 720 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: of the house has been barricaded or closed off? And 721 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at this level of planning, guys. 722 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the SWAT team noticed that two cameras were 723 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: placed on a room service car outside of Paddock suite, 724 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: and one was in the peep hole of the door. 725 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,760 Speaker 1: There was also a baby monitor camera and the family 726 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: area of this hotel room must have been a big suite. 727 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: Um what did that mean? Was he using these to 728 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: see people as they approached? Did his exit plan involve 729 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: the security guard? Remember Jysu's camp post was investigating the 730 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: gunfire separate from the police. He approached Paddock's room and 731 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: saw the campus, saw the camera. Then Paddock started firing. 732 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: He fired over two hundred rounds through his hotel door 733 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,439 Speaker 1: into the hallway. Incredible. I just I know people are 734 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,919 Speaker 1: looking for the reasons why, and of course under the law, 735 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: prosecutors do not have to show motive or show why, 736 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: but we can't help Sheryl McCollum uh to try to 737 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: figure it out. Absolutely, And Nancy, I remember something you 738 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: said a long time ago. You said, I'm never gonna 739 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: be able to accept any motives they give me. And 740 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: that's how I felt today. There's nothing anybody could possibly 741 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: say that I would accept. There's a reason for doing 742 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,080 Speaker 1: what he did. And I'm gonna tell you again, he 743 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: acted alone. He was the only one in that room. 744 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: He's the only one they found. He's the only one 745 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: that fired any of those weapons. They'll be the only 746 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: thing of insonem period. He did it. Why do you 747 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: think they insist on saying that he had an accomplished Cheryl. 748 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 1: He may have had some help getting something to the room. 749 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: He may have had some help, you know, stopping the 750 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: things in his car. But I'm talking about actually firing 751 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: and murdering people. He did that. He did it, and 752 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: when they got close enough to him, it took his 753 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: own life. Like the punk. He want question, do you, Cheryl, 754 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: what do you believe is the nature of the girlfriend's involvement. 755 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: I believe that she is the only person that can 756 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: tell us unequivocally what his last month, weeks, days and 757 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: hours were like. He was literally descending in hell, and 758 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: she did what would have been the clothes Dr bethany Well, 759 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: I heard one report that he was acting paranoid, he 760 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: was becoming disheveled. So I would say, in a case 761 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: like that, um, it's a really good question. I would 762 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: look for poor grooming. I would look for a paranoid 763 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,439 Speaker 1: thought process. I would look for unexplained absences, a lot 764 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: of money, um leaving their bank accounts. UM. I would 765 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: think about how he was talking about people in that household. 766 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: Because you know, these shooters, they really romanticize and they 767 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: plan and they love the process of getting ready to 768 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: carry out, getting ready to carry out the mass murder. 769 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: So was he talking about gun violence? Was he watching 770 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: violent programs? Was here romanticizing violence in any particular way? 771 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: That's what I would want to know from her. Never 772 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: one thing in Nancy, Yeah, go ahead, and and the 773 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: other planning. He he was a loner. He hated people 774 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: seeing people in the neighborhood, had built a sense that 775 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: was so ugly the rest of the neighbors signed a petition. 776 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,439 Speaker 1: One report had to for him to take it down. 777 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: His comment was, I don't want to see anybody, and 778 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: I don't want anyone watching me. And he picked this 779 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: cold de sact, this house on a cold de sac, 780 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: police believe, because it was away from everything and faced 781 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: a an expanse of emptiness out back. Uh. He paid 782 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: cash for this house three M six or five thousand dollars. Uh, 783 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: right there on the spot. Picked it out because of 784 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 1: the location. Police believe it was a way it was 785 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: hidden he could carry out whatever nefarious activity seas are 786 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: planning there well. Right now, investigators calling on everyone's help 787 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: as they try to identify a mystery woman allegedly seen 788 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: with the Vegas killer in the days leading up to 789 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,919 Speaker 1: the massacre. Several law enforcement are now saying they don't 790 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 1: know if she has a connection to the attack, but 791 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: they want to speak with her as they pieced together 792 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: a timeline. So, Aunt Harris, how are they going about 793 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 1: finding this mystery woman? Las Vegas has one of those 794 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: places I've been their number of times, conventions and reporting. Uh. 795 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: Every place has a camera, it seems, and like the 796 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta Olympics share. We may remember the way they pieced 797 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: together uh little identify a little little photo snippets uh 798 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: of the bomber. They're like they will here. They went 799 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: over every frame of every uh camera that they could 800 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,839 Speaker 1: find in the hotel, outside the hotel, so they will 801 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of video to go over and see 802 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: what frames are other people in with him, uh and 803 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: try to identify those people. So uh, it's it's it's 804 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: a long, tedious process, a lot of stuff to to 805 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: look at, as you know, but they're gonna find somebody 806 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: and they're gonna put this together. I am fascinated though, 807 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: by his his upbringing, Nancy. Uh, you know, as his 808 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,760 Speaker 1: brother said, you know, we were poor. We traveled because 809 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,240 Speaker 1: my father was a bank robber, they never knew him. Uh, 810 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: and so I am wondering that you know what what 811 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: his upbringing may have had to do with this. So 812 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: his his is a petty bank robber who made headlines 813 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: as bank robber. This is gonna sure one up, daddy. 814 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 1: By God, I will show you. I'll make a headline 815 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: that's bigger than anything you ever did. You abandoned us. 816 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 1: We never you've got any help from you. I had 817 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: to take care of my mother. 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