WEBVTT - Jamie Lee Curtis

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio. Are

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<v Speaker 1>we on?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we on? We're always on? We're always But like,

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<v Speaker 2>so Jimmy did what?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Phil Collins is on the Tonight Show and

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<v Speaker 3>he's agreed to let the Roots play and then air

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight as the song, and of course you know it

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<v Speaker 3>comes with the iconic drum roll.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>I went all out for this. I went and found

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<v Speaker 3>the drum set that he actually played.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything you did. We are preparing for it, of course

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<v Speaker 1>you did, and the entire show from the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, we have Phil Collins Tonight. Don't mess up?

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<v Speaker 1>Like literally, he meant it jokingly.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we're on the last verse, I remember, and

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden I looked to my right and

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<v Speaker 3>you can see Jimmy's head poking out like the parent

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<v Speaker 3>of a school play, like, don't mess this up. And

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<v Speaker 3>whenever I'm in a situation where okay, this is what

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<v Speaker 3>my therapist calls, this is me manifucting myself, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, all right, I can't mess up. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>miss You've done this a million times, like literally in

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<v Speaker 3>my head, right this you mess up? And literally he's

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<v Speaker 3>like and you told me, and I'm like, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>mess up.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you know?

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<v Speaker 3>He's like herd doesn't show all right? I mean you

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<v Speaker 3>got this pain still crows. I'm looking at the band.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's looking, dude, do you and me? And I hit

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<v Speaker 3>myself right in?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course you did, Yes, of course you.

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<v Speaker 1>Did first hit it. Yeah, I hit myself in the face,

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<v Speaker 1>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I played that song last night in the car on

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<v Speaker 2>the drive to the premiere of Scarpetta. It is like

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<v Speaker 2>a fight song, you know. It was raining and like

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<v Speaker 2>it was sort of like my pump up song before

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<v Speaker 2>going into the.

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<v Speaker 1>You still need that after all this time. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to get in the mind state. O I do? I do? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to listen to the theme song from Rocky

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Going to Fly now. Yeah, but no, doun dun.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to listen to it in my car and

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<v Speaker 2>its entirety just to sort of like give me a

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<v Speaker 2>little pump up.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, it's good to know that you still have to.

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<v Speaker 3>I figured after a police in a person's.

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<v Speaker 1>Career where they're already arrived that you know they just

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<v Speaker 1>show up in No, you got to pump it up

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<v Speaker 1>a little. I got that, all right, So let me

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<v Speaker 1>get some context. No, why I got because I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>profession now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you are with a lowercase p.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So basically, two days ago I had something else totally

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<v Speaker 3>planned and I got a text from uh Today's guests

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<v Speaker 3>or I texted Today's Guests, which I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Smelled me in the hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, you were on Kelly Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>Clarkson and I waffed it down the hall. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a signature scent that lingers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you did, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I turned around, but you had already hit the corner

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<v Speaker 3>because I walked fast, and I let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>And ten minutes later I was like, was Jamie Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis just in this all? And literally yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it anyway, So to let you guys know

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<v Speaker 1>our guest today.

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<v Speaker 2>Is oh, they already know, right, so they already know.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't let me give you. Your flowers are for me?

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<v Speaker 2>I do I avoid flowers. See I avoid the flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Why we're cool? No, we have to now get in

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<v Speaker 1>the space where we.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you know what you do your flowers. I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>check out your cool glass.

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<v Speaker 3>I literally had to check out your cool glass.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, So literally what more can I say?

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<v Speaker 3>About our guests, Iconic SAG Award winner, Emmy Award winner,

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<v Speaker 3>Golden Globe, Independent Spirit Award winner, Oscar winner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why is that I have nothing to do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing to do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Are wrong? Wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>You knew this was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't tell you this way Too many in her

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<v Speaker 3>cannon a bunch of films that have changed our life. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a canon. It's time for your flowers. I'm ready,

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<v Speaker 3>Jamie Lee Curtis, welcome to the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me and for being you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll make this not awkward. This won't just be

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<v Speaker 1>a not awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never going to be awkward. I can't be awkward.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm humans. I'm awkward just waking up, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, it's not going to ever be awkward, at.

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<v Speaker 1>Least to our first question.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So we've had a meeting, and for me,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it was seven am, but for you it

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<v Speaker 3>was for.

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<v Speaker 1>Five am, I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I was amazed at how alert you were.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm under the understanding that people in California also

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<v Speaker 3>have to adjust to other time zone. So my manager

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<v Speaker 3>gets up at three am. Yeah, you know, just to

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<v Speaker 3>because that's when the world starts. H What time do

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<v Speaker 3>you routinely start your day?

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<v Speaker 2>Four o'clock? I wake up at four o'clock with.

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<v Speaker 1>A job, without a job on the clock. Four o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, just I wake up at four o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I love? First of all, I was born early in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, so I think I'm just naturally drawn to

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<v Speaker 2>wake up with the morning. I don't really know. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a morning person. I'm not a night person. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be at your game nights. I used

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<v Speaker 2>to host game nights. I was famous for hosting game nights.

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<v Speaker 2>I've invented some games that we play at game nights.

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<v Speaker 2>My problem is there at night, I don't do well.

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<v Speaker 2>The lights go down, I go to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>When was your game night period, like.

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<v Speaker 2>In the eighties, particularly in the eighties and nineties, And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm the girl who says, let's do a

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<v Speaker 2>game night and play all the various different games. My

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<v Speaker 2>favorite game I claim I invented it. We call it

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<v Speaker 2>first line of novel. Where you basically go by a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of dime store you know, secondhand store books, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you bring them in nobody looks at them right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then each So let's say we have eight people

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<v Speaker 2>in the group. Okay, So then I pick the book

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<v Speaker 2>and I open it and check out the first line,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I show the book and I say, the

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<v Speaker 2>book is called Quest for Love. For lack of a

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<v Speaker 2>better pulp fiction title, the book is called Quest for Love.

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<v Speaker 2>Then everybody at the table writes what they think the

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<v Speaker 2>first line of the book is, or they want us

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<v Speaker 2>to think the first line of the book is. I

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<v Speaker 2>write the real first line of the book, and then

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<v Speaker 2>everybody hands them to me. Then I shuffle them. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I read them all out loud, and then we have

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<v Speaker 2>to vote. Every person votes, and you get a point

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<v Speaker 2>for guessing the right book. You get a point if

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<v Speaker 2>you fool people. So if your first line fools everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a point, And if you end up guessing

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<v Speaker 2>the right first line, you get a point. And you

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<v Speaker 2>go around the table, so everybody gets a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>not be making one because they are reading. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>called first line of novel. I love it because you

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<v Speaker 2>actually get really incredible writing from it. I've saved everyone

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever written, everyone my children have ever written. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>that person. So anyway, I'm a game night person, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do game night because you do it late

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<v Speaker 2>at night and you probably have cocktails. And do you

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<v Speaker 2>do a game afternoon? Can you do a game brunch?

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<v Speaker 1>I have something close to that. We are elevating our.

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<v Speaker 2>Game nights to a TV show.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can talk about this or not,

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<v Speaker 3>but if hypothetically there were a situation like that in

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<v Speaker 3>which I haven't been at a table with a microphone

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe like four or five people, I want to try.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea that I look super fun. I literally want

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<v Speaker 1>to do this now. I wish I wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>have had Okay, sorry, that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know each other, by the way, for the people,

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<v Speaker 2>But can I actually say, well, we're kindreds sirs, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>mutual admiration. We just peop. You know, you see people

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<v Speaker 2>you like, You're like, oh, I like you, like you cool?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that happens in show business. That happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You run into a lot of people, often at award shows,

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<v Speaker 2>and you go ooh, I think you're cool. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're cool. Okay, hi, and then you never see each

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<v Speaker 2>other again. So you and I met at a screening

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<v Speaker 2>for Everything Everywhere, all at once. At the time, when

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<v Speaker 2>we were still coming out of COVID Yes, I was

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<v Speaker 2>on the publicity tour for that movie. Everybody was still

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<v Speaker 2>wearing masks, everybody was still freaked out about COVID Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were in the basement downstairs at a building.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a hotel. Yeah, it was a hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>But we went down some stairs and I walked in

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<v Speaker 2>and they had told me that there was a cocktail party.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't do cocktail parties period. I'm sober, so

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<v Speaker 2>I like cocktail parties to me is nothing but high

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<v Speaker 2>voices and wine breath. People like going, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have bad breath. So it's like you get both.

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<v Speaker 2>You get this awful sound and you get this awful smell.

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<v Speaker 2>So I avoid it like the plague. I literally walk.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I'm not going to and I find

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<v Speaker 2>the corner and I stay in the corner and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving. And I was in this front room and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about to leave and you came in

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody said, ooh, that's Questlove. Questlove just got here.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you were coming for the screening of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, and as we passed, like at some point

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<v Speaker 2>we met in that lower level and I think I said, Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're cool or something, and you said these

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<v Speaker 2>words to me, dust off your mental Yes, And I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at you and I said what And you said,

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<v Speaker 2>dust off your mental And then I think I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck you, stop.

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<v Speaker 3>It, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you got

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<v Speaker 3>it come in.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not. I just said fuck you and then

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<v Speaker 2>I left and that was it. And then when all

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<v Speaker 2>of that happened, and that night happened, I remember the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning, I think I wanted to like write you

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<v Speaker 2>and go you motherfucker. How did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>That?

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<v Speaker 3>Film is why I'm here today. Like I think in

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<v Speaker 3>the pandemic, there becomes a wake up moment or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And because we were so thirsty.

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<v Speaker 3>For content and all those things at the time, I

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<v Speaker 3>was going through a pivot, which was, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty. I grew up in a showbiz family. My

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<v Speaker 3>father was like an oldies do op singer back in

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<v Speaker 3>the day. By the time I was born, I was

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<v Speaker 3>part of the family business as a nightclub act and

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<v Speaker 3>all those things. And then my best friend and I

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<v Speaker 3>start a group so I'll say that from the age

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<v Speaker 3>of five, I've always at least been on a stage

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<v Speaker 3>entertaining someone or do something in a professional musical artist

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<v Speaker 3>audience capacity since the age of five, Like not three

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<v Speaker 3>weeks of not going by since I was five that

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't entertaining someone. And then for the first time

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<v Speaker 3>of my life in twenty twenty eight months went by

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<v Speaker 3>and I never touched a drumstick.

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<v Speaker 1>I never had to entertain. I didn't do a set list.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was created by like DJ and online

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<v Speaker 3>and whatnot. But this also allowed me to watch a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of TV and a lot of movies. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is also the time period in which I had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of time on my hands, did a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of therapy and all those things.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's something about that movie that just like I

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<v Speaker 3>saw myself in that film in terms of maybe we

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<v Speaker 3>have this in common where my joke is matrix bullet dodging,

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<v Speaker 3>like compliments, I was the King of no All these

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities come up, and my first thought is I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want my light to shine so bright that it makes

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<v Speaker 3>others uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather blend in, I rather dull myself. I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>try to.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I'm well aware as a three hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>six foot two black man with primitive, exotic hair and

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<v Speaker 3>all those things like me trying to play small in

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Package is it's stupid, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean? And I don't know that. I

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<v Speaker 1>watched that film.

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<v Speaker 2>About It's expansive.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it ten times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And I think that helped me, especially especially

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<v Speaker 3>when that was my moment and when I got my

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<v Speaker 3>Oscar in twenty twenty two, like that was like my

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<v Speaker 3>biggest fear, like, oh God, what will happened now? Like

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<v Speaker 3>no one's going to talk to me and all my

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<v Speaker 3>friends are going to alienate me and da da da

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<v Speaker 3>da da da, And I just I was self evidencing,

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<v Speaker 3>like why I didn't deserve it? And somehow like that film,

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<v Speaker 3>when I see in it, it grounded me and it

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<v Speaker 3>helped me so but more than that, I meant, you

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<v Speaker 3>lost yourself in that character. And I knew instantly, like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe ten minutes into it, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>our Oscar moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that I'm looking up something. Yes, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to read you this. I'm sure you know it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to read it to you anyway, you

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<v Speaker 2>know why from here and you're here, and we're here together,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just said every word you just said. Our

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<v Speaker 2>deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest

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<v Speaker 2>fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is

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<v Speaker 2>our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We

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<v Speaker 2>ask ourselves, who am I to be? Brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you not to be? You are a child

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<v Speaker 2>of God. Your playing small does not serve the world.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people

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<v Speaker 2>won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine,

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<v Speaker 2>as children do. We are born to make manifest the

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<v Speaker 2>glory of God that is within us. It is not

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<v Speaker 2>just in some of us, it's in everyone. And as

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<v Speaker 2>we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

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<v Speaker 2>people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

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<v Speaker 2>from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. Mary

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<v Speaker 2>Anne Williamson wrote that, and then Nelson Mandela took it

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<v Speaker 2>and expanded it and made it his. But she wrote that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is very important for you and I both

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<v Speaker 2>to know that fun fact, fun fact, that quote fun

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<v Speaker 2>facts with questlove that should.

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<v Speaker 3>Be like a little That quote you just read me

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<v Speaker 3>is on my three uh, I have three post its

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<v Speaker 3>on my mirror. My entire mirror is every morning. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so for you you explained the rocky things here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just I used to when I was a

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<v Speaker 2>young actress play the rocky theme that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like, well for me, I have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Every morning I get up, I have to be nice

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<v Speaker 3>to myself in the mirror, like especially in the morning

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<v Speaker 3>where you know or whatever you look, how you look and.

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<v Speaker 1>Only you, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how especially in twenty twenty six, where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I come from a genre of music in which

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<v Speaker 3>my Instagram is turning into a digital morgue of saying

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<v Speaker 3>goodbye to this person, that person, that person.

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe that it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a digital morg what a reallyful way of saying it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is that I believe that at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, you kind of have a have

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<v Speaker 3>a will or purpose inside to like to be here,

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<v Speaker 3>like I have a purpose on her if I have to,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what it's like. And you know, it's easy

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<v Speaker 3>to just cower under the covers and hide and whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>eat it away, smoke it away, sniff it away, shoot

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<v Speaker 3>it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, you're you're talking to a dope fiend who's sober

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven years congratulations. So you're talking to somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>understands what you're what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'd read that quote every morning, like literally

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<v Speaker 3>say it to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have just said, do you know the quote?

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have said yes, But I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what, I skip that exercise this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I mean it is the why me? Why

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<v Speaker 2>do I get to do this? Why do I get

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<v Speaker 2>this life? And other people who are way more talented

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<v Speaker 2>than I am, way more beautiful than I am, way

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<v Speaker 2>more everything than well, no, it is the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>the beast. And yet the rocky theme for me represented

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<v Speaker 2>this sense that you can do it too, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>this dund dun d d d D and it just

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of it, you go, okay, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to go do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me ask you how old were you when

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<v Speaker 3>you realized the lineage you came from. Oh, like, when

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<v Speaker 3>did mom and dad stop being like, oh, those are

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<v Speaker 3>my parents too?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? Honestly, you have to remember this was

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<v Speaker 2>all pre internet. There was no DVR. There were no tapes,

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<v Speaker 2>there were no DVDs. Your parents were in the movies.

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<v Speaker 2>You rarely saw the movies your parents made because they

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<v Speaker 2>were in the theaters and most of them weren't kids movies.

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<v Speaker 1>How were you when you saw Psycho for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know. I think I made up a story.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea I've seen it since. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously people love that movie, and it's amazingly shot, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course my mom wrote a book about the shot

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<v Speaker 2>by shot, and you thing they've recreated the movie. Scarlett

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<v Speaker 2>Johansson played my mother in a version of the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>so obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>You played your mother in a version of us.

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<v Speaker 2>I've played my mother, I know. I mean, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to do? It's yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. My

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<v Speaker 2>point is I only appreciate them now because I have

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<v Speaker 2>grown children. Most of my work my grown children haven't seen.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is now a digital world. My children could

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<v Speaker 2>see everything I've ever done. They don't, you know why,

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<v Speaker 2>It's not their fucking life. They're living their lives. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to look at my life anymore than I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to look at my parents' life. I am a

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<v Speaker 2>forward person. I am a forward movement person. I am

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<v Speaker 2>zero sentimentality.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't hold on to something clinging? You know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is? It's there was that play called That

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<v Speaker 2>Championship Season about a group of guys who had great

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<v Speaker 2>success early when they were in athletics, and the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of their lives they've been looking back at that moment.

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<v Speaker 2>When I watch the Olympics, I watch all these young

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<v Speaker 2>people peaking, having these moments. When I see young people

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<v Speaker 2>succeed in any field, I always get a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of like, I am so happy that I'm the head

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<v Speaker 2>bitch and charge at sixty seven, Like I'm glad I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the head bitch in charge at thirty seven or

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven or fifty seven. I'm so happy that I

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<v Speaker 2>have the perspective that I have at my age to

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<v Speaker 2>really be able to put all of this into context,

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<v Speaker 2>versus getting that that attention very early that was not

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<v Speaker 2>in my don't put your finger up. I just saw

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<v Speaker 2>your finger.

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<v Speaker 1>He and I had. Look, I have to counter with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you you pulled out a random time period and said, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>when I was thirty seven, yeah, you did true lies.

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<v Speaker 2>At thirty seven, I was thirty five years old that

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I hung under that helicopter three days before

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<v Speaker 2>my thirty fifth birthday. I remember exactly, So even then

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<v Speaker 2>you felt like the underdogbe No, I'm just saying I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, I was married, I had young children.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing the dance of trying to be a

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<v Speaker 2>mom and a domestic person and an employer and a

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<v Speaker 2>home person and a wife and a partner and not

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<v Speaker 2>take all the focus. And you know, I get a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of attention, and you know children are supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>get the attention, not the parents.

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<v Speaker 3>So you are aware at least by that point, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you're pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Your name behind your back is like jameley Hurst. Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm allow yourself to bask in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't bask in anything, but I just don't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Life's too hard. Life's too hard for everybody. The world

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<v Speaker 2>is too complicated. There are too many great people who

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<v Speaker 2>never get an opportunity to do anything. I mean, die,

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<v Speaker 2>never having manifested their talents into any public forum, if

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<v Speaker 2>they are performers, or if they're artists, or if their

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<v Speaker 2>singers are like I have been able to do so

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<v Speaker 2>much with so little. And I say so little because

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't have those skill set. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a skill set, Babe. I'm gonna put the oh, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just you and me with our fingers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not asking permission. I don't want it.

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<v Speaker 3>This feels like the nice guy version of who am

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<v Speaker 3>I to shot?

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<v Speaker 2>Not I totally understand, I'm not. So here's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say. Yes, when I was young, I was

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<v Speaker 2>in I think it had to have been Halloween as something,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was in Chicago, and it was when Jeans

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<v Speaker 2>Ciskel and Roger Ebert were the two film critics at

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<v Speaker 2>the two different papers in Chicago, and they ended up

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<v Speaker 2>partnering and making that show. And it was Jeane ciscl

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<v Speaker 2>It was the tall, skinny one. And I remember I

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<v Speaker 2>was sitting with him in his like shitty office filled

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<v Speaker 2>with papers and files, and just like I was on

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<v Speaker 2>a couch and like he was writing up something about

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<v Speaker 2>me for some for the paper. I guess I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really remember what it was. I don't have a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And I remember he was looking at me

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<v Speaker 2>and he was saying, yeah, I don't know what it

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<v Speaker 2>is about you, but you've got something, there's something interesting

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:14.320
<v Speaker 2>about you. And I looked at him and was like, really, wow, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is it tell me? I would love to know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is that you're seeing so that I can

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<v Speaker 2>then take that and build on it. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? Like, what is it tell me? Because I

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<v Speaker 2>was an untrained, uneducated actress sitting in this guy's office

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this job I do, and he said, he

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<v Speaker 2>said to me, he said, no, never know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>The minute you find out what it is, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to commodify it. You're going to try to

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<v Speaker 2>encapsulate it, you're going to try to turn it into

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<v Speaker 2>a brand, you're going to try to do something with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to fuck you up. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>ruin what it is you've got going. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest gift he could have ever given me, because

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<v Speaker 2>I have just from then on gone, okay, whatever, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know what I do. And I'm not being

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<v Speaker 2>self deprecating because it's funny. Do you know the Dopey podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Not heard of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the Dopey podcast is dope fiends that dealt with Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And and he lost his partner, not life partner, his

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<v Speaker 2>best friend partner in the show to an overdose, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've I've done the show. I've I did it here

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<v Speaker 2>in New York. And I'm telling you that because I

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<v Speaker 2>read him the same quote that I could read you,

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<v Speaker 2>which is and this would apply to you. Okay. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know Hannah Gatsby? Okay, Yes, they have a special

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<v Speaker 2>they did called Nanette. I remember where I was watching it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I start soing, but I mean like ugly crying

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<v Speaker 2>because I was so moved by what they were saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me just find it on the internet, which

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<v Speaker 2>I will find because it speaks to what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I have built a career out of self deprecating humor,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to do it anymore. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>understand what self deprecation means when it comes from somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who already exists in the margins? It's not humility, it's humiliation.

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I put myself down in order to speak, in order

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<v Speaker 2>to seek permission to speak, and I simply will not

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:42.360
<v Speaker 2>do that anymore, not to myself or anybody who identifies

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<v Speaker 2>with me. If that means that my comedy career is over,

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<v Speaker 2>then so be it. I loved I remember when I

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<v Speaker 2>watched that. I remember where I was. I was sobbing

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<v Speaker 2>because I have self deprecated my whole life. And it

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<v Speaker 2>isn't humility. It is humiliation. It is a way of

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<v Speaker 2>being very small. And I don't do that as much anymore.

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty able to say I know what I'm good

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:17.240
<v Speaker 2>at and I know what I am not good at.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm probably five years into that process.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of it is just.

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<v Speaker 3>The rewiring my mind to all of us think you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to think that, but I'm actually shocked that I made

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 3>it five decades to this place. You and me both

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 3>in sort of the worst condition. And Okay, I guess

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 3>like a lot of people when I tell them this,

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.200
<v Speaker 3>they looked at me like an alien, like, but you're

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<v Speaker 3>guys living.

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.560
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no no, and I'm looking at you like, okay,

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>they did not know.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's what I can tell you. Those are just

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<v Speaker 2>old ideas. I'm a big the reason I'm not a

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>nostalgic person because I'm a new ideas person. I will

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<v Speaker 2>every day you have the opportunity to look at something

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and go, oh, that's an old idea of mine, that's

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.240
<v Speaker 2>an old idea of myself. That's an old idea of

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>a friendship. That's an old idea of a behavior. It's

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 2>an old idea of a mindset. And I can have

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>a new one because God gave us brains to use.

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the amazing thing about the human mind is we

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>can change our minds. We can learn, we can rewire,

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:34.960
<v Speaker 2>we can rethink. We can have a feeling about someone

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and then say, you know what, I don't have that

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:41.919
<v Speaker 2>feeling for you anymore. And I know that's hurtful, but

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.959
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to pretend I have that feeling for

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 2>you anymore and spend the rest of my life pretending

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I do. That's a brave statement of self ownership.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you not broken up with friends? But have you?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, teach me because Spring this part of the journey

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 3>is probably the hardest. And I guess my answer to

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>it is to hide and now live out in the country.

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I you know, and I still have to look people

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.479
<v Speaker 3>in the eye and communicate and all those things. So

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 3>how do you know when someone's not serving you anymore

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<v Speaker 3>and that you need to pivot and move on.

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<v Speaker 2>To You know it? You know it the way you

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>know it is? You know it? You know what?

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Is that?

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Why? Okay? What what is it?

0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 1>If you know you know?

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, if you know you know, push your tight I'm

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>saying you don't even know it. If you know you know.

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But if you know, you know, and I from the

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>clips this is your legend. I believe you know when

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think you know when you know.

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 2>And the extricating from those relationships is painful. Sometimes distance

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>just happens. You know. I'm not suggesting that every one

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>of those relationships you should hold a summit and declare

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>a break of the relationship, and I you know, never

0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the twain shall meet and we will never. But I

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 2>do believe there's a way. It just happens organically, and

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>before you know it, you haven't talked to that person

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>in six months. And by the way, I'm not saying

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>that there's this big pejorative negative attachment to them. It's

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I have changed and I'm no longer who I was yesterday.

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm different than I was yesterday, here today with you,

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and then hopefully tomorrow I will be different too. And

0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the goal of life is to be able to still

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the gate marriages, children, you know, close friendships, your family.

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>You can't really divorce your family. You can't really well,

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you can separate from your family, of course. But you

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. I'm just saying that I think

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you know when you know, and I think you just

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>you take your own counsel to look at. I'm a

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 2>big to thine own self be true. Like that's just

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a cornerstone for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it? Okay? So for me, the number is five.

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:33.239
<v Speaker 3>I'll ask you who are the three people when or

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 3>if you feel yourself sort of getting close to either

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 3>manifucking yourself or you need to be talked off a

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 3>line they do like manifucking. That's a shout out to

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Lawrensander for that. I got to credit people who to

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 3>take that from. Who are the three people that are

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 3>your alleged talkers? Who who do you turn to when?

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Ah, I'm not that person. I have a beautiful friend

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>in Losane who is in our industry, and we were

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 2>very very very close friends, and then since since families

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 2>and children, we have remained very much each other as

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>cheerleaders and pride holders. And when I feel like I

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>need to be able to share a moment and say

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.719
<v Speaker 2>I need to like I need to share this with you,

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>because she shares it with me, I have that I'm

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>not a big ledge. I'm not a big ledge girl.

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm old.

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Are you the person we were in too? When we are?

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I am a bit and I'm.

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Their pressure for you to always be the wise age.

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 2>And I also am sober. And I talk to and

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>communicate with a lot of people every day through lists

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>of gratitudes and fears and sort of I share. There's

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 2>a book called the Book of Awakening, which is a

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily a spiritual book, but it's written by a

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 2>poet and it has a daily sort of reminder. I'm

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that person.

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm am I allowed to ask.

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever went public with your rock bottom moment

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 3>that led you to sobriety?

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Of course?

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. I'm billboards of me all over the

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>United States right now with the Foundation for a Better

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Life that talks about me getting sober as the bravest

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>thing I've ever done in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your lowest year?

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I got sober in nineteen ninety nine, in February

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>of no I was an opiate addict. I was a

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 2>secret opiod addict.

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I was Oh, secrets too, how do.

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 2>You have secrets? Well, secrets, that's you know, that's what

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>addicts do. That's what so I mean, It's all good.

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I've been sober for a long time and I work

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of people, and I talk often with

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>sober people, men, women.

0:31:59.160 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm so I process, I have psychoanalysis. I process a

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>lot on the daily, so I don't end up near

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>the ledge. The ledge rarely comes for me because I've

0:32:14.720 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I have anticipated. I'm an anticipator. I'll see that ledge

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>coming and I'll start to work on trying to avoid it.

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So you live in the present.

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I live totally in the present, never in the past.

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't look back at comments. People will say, oh,

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>you posted something, you got a lot. I'll be like,

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 2>really what I was like, don't read the comment. That's

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>my secret, Like, don't read comments, Just say what you

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 2>need to say. There was a quote about the Beatles

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>was say what you need to say and put a

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>backbeat to it. It's just sort of like, say what

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>you need to say, and I say what I need

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to say how I need to say it. I try

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>to avoid stepping in shit, which I've done obviously, be many,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>many many times, because just the nature of the beast,

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I try to avoid those moments. If

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I can sit now.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm afraid to ask you ask a question about the past.

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Because ask me the past.

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Go okay, because really this is like truly one of

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 3>the rare times where I get to ask someone.

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>That you ask whatever you want to ask.

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Was part of an era, okay. So I always wanted

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 3>to know, especially for an actress. And this comes from

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 3>me watching like Once upon a Time in Hollywood three

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:39.239
<v Speaker 3>or four times, you know, because you really sort of

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 3>took your first steps into your career in the mid

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 3>seventies to be a teenager, to be a woman and

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 3>a teenager in the seventies, especially in the Sharontate era,

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 3>the Manson era, was there just a general fear surrounding

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 3>you being in that environment in Hollywood that one day

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 3>you might turn up missing or like, how cautious were you?

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>So here's what you need to know, Okay. I lived

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>on a dirt road in a house with a fairly

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 2>conservative set of parents, and I just was a schoolgirl.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I had.

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing Hollywood about my life at all, nothing nothing.

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I was not a party girl. I wasn't a club girl.

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>I was a good girl. I was not a bad

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 2>girl on any level. I wanted to be a bad girl.

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be Susie Quattro. I wanted to be

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Chrissy Hind. I wanted to be bad and rebellious. And

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.959
<v Speaker 2>I was just a good girl. I said, yes, ma'am,

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes sir, And weirdly enough, Sharon Tate's house. I lived

0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:58.360
<v Speaker 2>off of Bennett Canyon, and I passed Clo Drive every

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>single day on my way to school and on my

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 2>way back. So I passed Clo Drive twice a day

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>every day for my entire childhood. And that's where she

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 2>was killed. I remember my mother was very famous at

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>the time, and so I do remember we had an

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 2>armed guard in front of our dirt road gate for

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>like a week. I remember there was a guy sitting

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>in a chair in front of our gate. But beyond that,

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I was not that girl. That was never even a question.

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So this means you're a kick ass actress, because.

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I am a kick ass actress, is what I am.

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 2>I am just now I can tell you that I'm fearless.

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I since I've gotten to know you, and this actually

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 3>started when I started directing the SNL episode, which I'll

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 3>say that I probably have watched every episode of SNL,

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 3>like a thousand and two, like in a three year

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 3>period of me working on that documentary and especially watching

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:03.760
<v Speaker 3>your eighty two.

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Episode where you host it. Yeah, well, first I.

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.399
<v Speaker 3>Was like, I probably would have been her friend had

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.560
<v Speaker 3>I been a prominence in the early eighties or eighty

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>two whatever. You just seem like the most fun person,

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 3>which I'm skipping. All right, I can't believe I'm doing

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 3>this for the first time in my life.

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>You're closing your thing. Close the fucking thing. And by

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the way, don't you worry about like what I'm supposed

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>to be talking about. Don't you worry. I'll say the

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 2>name of the show, and life will be good. Everyone

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>will be happy. Nobody's going to not watch Scarpetta on Amazon,

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>starring Nicole Kidman and me from the Patricia Cornwell novels. Yes,

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>because I'm on your pod or not. I appreciate I

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't come here to talk about Scarpetta. I know they

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 2>would love me to say Scarpetta on Amazon, but I

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't come here. I came here because you said three

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>words for me, No, four words, dust off your mantle.

0:36:56.440 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 2>That blew my mind. I cannot tell you what that

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 2>meant to me, because.

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Are you saying, ma'am was the only person.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 2>The only person, and it was so out of the

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>possibility of realm, just like not possible. Anyway, I want

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>to tell you I am the only person who's hosted

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 2>SNL twice, never with Lorne Michaels. My years were Gene

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Domanian that one year she did it right when he left,

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and one year with Dick Eversol when Lorne Michaels left,

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>and then he came back the next year and brought

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>my husband there, and then I got married to Chris

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 2>that year, nineteen eighty eight four four, And so it

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>was weird because I've never met Lorne Michaels. I hosted

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 2>SNL twice, not my metier. I am not a sketch comedian.

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not.

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.879
<v Speaker 3>You have to acknowledge at least that the last time

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 3>you won the show, which leads me to my I

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 3>just want to story of the entire process of making

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:06.800
<v Speaker 3>the perfect video with Jamaine Jackson.

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, so it was so bizarre, that was so.

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me at least give you flowers here.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 3>You transformed into that character, even as did I purposely

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 3>stayed out the way I didn't want to.

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 1>He told me, guess what I'm gonna do, and I said,

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 1>I already know what.

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna do, because anything to do with your volta,

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 3>And of course he's here, I know what you're gonna do.

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 3>And Perfect is almost like an underground like it's a

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 3>weird movie.

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Man, it is, but a weird movie.

0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>The thing is is that Perfect came along when America

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 3>was getting cable, and so I've seen Perfect at least

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 3>four or five times simply because it was always on HBO. Yeah,

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 3>so it might have not been a big box office hit,

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 3>but we know that film, and we.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Mean it was supposed to be. It was the big

0:38:55.000 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Columbia Pictures Summer movie nineteen eighty five, this cover of

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Rolling Stone for their double summer issue. It was supposed

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 2>to be. And by the way, it was supposed to

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.879
<v Speaker 2>be great music. I mean, you had the opportunity, and

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 2>somehow the best song they could come up with was

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>closest thing to Perfect.

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>What.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I was so disappointed that they couldn't. They ended up

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>using Jump. That was the song I used when we

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 2>were like doing the work, and like it was an

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>old song, it wasn't even a new song. I couldn't

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 2>believe they couldn't come up with a better soundtrack, closest

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>thing to perfect him in a white unitard with a

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>with a with an erection.

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Wait, wait, come on, look, Jermaine Jackson's catching a last

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 3>slander on the internet.

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Hair whatever, but.

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Wait, what what happened?

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 2>No, no, oh, stuff it back the fuck off Internet.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Let the guy be Jermaine Jackson. Yes, it happened to

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 2>wear a white one suit and had an erection.

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean everyone did.

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if everyone did.

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 3>But it was a But they still showed that video

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 3>endlessly on BT, and I always wanted to know, like.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Just the song's not good, but.

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 3>Somehow they just rammed it down our throats because there

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 3>weren't a lot of product back then.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:24.880
<v Speaker 2>That was a weird.

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 3>So you thought you just did a video and it

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 3>just like went down the hole and no one saw it.

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Well I hadn't. I mean obviously yes, but I mean

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I understand it's been seen.

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>I'll say for black people, if you're not a hard junkie.

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 3>With Halloween, we really got to know your trading places,

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 3>I know. But Perfect was always on BT at least

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 3>like once an hour. Because it's also like Jermaine's in

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 3>the Shadow of Michael Anything Jackson wise just got rammed

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:54.280
<v Speaker 3>down our throats and I probably like, if you say Jamie.

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Lee Curtis the first thing I think of, It's perfect.

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just you and.

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes White, Onesie.

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I always white. It was a weird back

0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 1>vend It was so weird.

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 2>It was a little weird. I mean, I mean it

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 2>was perfectly lovely. I just hated the song. I just

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe this was the fucking song that we were

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 2>going to turn this into a hit movie with that

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be the song of the summer.

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, really, they tried it, they tried it.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Of all of your characters, pleaded, which one were you

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:27.359
<v Speaker 3>given a lease?

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh? In terms of elasticity to mold into true lives?

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>For sure?

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 1>What was it initially and how did you change it?

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, the elasticity was the trust from Jim. Jim Cameron

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 2>wrote it for me. Now I'm me and believe me.

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:47.279
<v Speaker 2>That was weird to get a phone call and have

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>the phone ring at my house. I remember where I was,

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I remember where I was sitting. Phone rang, phone rang, Hello, Hi, Jamie,

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>It's James Cameron. Yeah, like, because you know, okay, okay, sure, hi,

0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:00.319
<v Speaker 2>James Cameron.

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Like wife earlier the matter, I stilled the.

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Phone rings and Hyatt's James Cameron like.

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Really, are you generally shocked when you get the call?

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, I'm a mom with you know, I'm

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 2>sitting in my house anyway, he said, I've written this

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 2>movie for you. Okay, you may think I am. I'm

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>just not sure that I think. And that's lovely. And

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.359
<v Speaker 2>you said dust off your mental And I will never

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 2>forget that as long as I live to the day

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>I die, I will remember those four words because it changed,

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it began then something that became, you know, unthinkable and extraordinary.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.879
<v Speaker 2>But all I want is freedom, Like I want freedom here.

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to be here. I want you

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 2>to be here, I don't I want freedom. I want

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 2>to take the material and then be able to do

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 2>with it whatever the freedom that takes me, and being

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>free as an actor is not something that I have

0:42:54.520 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 2>felt necessarily throughout my career. True lies, Jim Cameron can

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 2>do every single job on that movie. There is not

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.720
<v Speaker 2>a job on a movie set that Jim Cameron cannot

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>do himself, not one he could even because he would

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>learn how to make clothes. He would go, he would

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 2>learn how to work a sewing machine, and he could

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>make you clothes. He cannot act, He cannot act. He

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:27.399
<v Speaker 2>can build a camera, he can build a set, He

0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 2>can do every job on a movie except act.

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>How will you know to capture the perfect performance?

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Then, so he trusts who he hires, and he loves actors,

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>and he loves that process. He loves the the weird

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>alchemy of what it takes to take words and turn

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:55.479
<v Speaker 2>them into feelings and turn them into emotions. And he

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 2>cannot lead you there. He is not going to have

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 2>the secret key to open the door to get you

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>emotionally to a place. He hires you to do your job,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 2>and that level of trust and freedom is extraordinary. The

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 2>same thing happened on the Bear. I had never met

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Chris Starr. We had texted, We had one phone call

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:26.360
<v Speaker 2>that lasted one minute. I'm so great, I'm so stoked

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 2>you're doing this. That's so great. I asked him for

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of references of how he wanted her to look.

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>That was it. I showed up in Chicago having never

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 2>met anybody, not one person, not one person in that kitchen,

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 2>did I know? And I showed up as Donna Brazado

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and he said, let's roll. And I was freed, freed

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to just take the text, which beautifully written, every word

0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 2>is written, and interpret it and then play the scenes.

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And I've never been freer.

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Right now, My my comfort zone, my safety is musical documentaries.

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 1>That's my safe zone. Actually, you're one of the first people.

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Who have come to you saying I think you can

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I can think I think you can do a narrative.

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.919
<v Speaker 3>Right So, literally after that phone call, I sat there

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 3>with my manager Sarah, who you met, like something like

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.439
<v Speaker 3>about to have a colonic right there, like I can't

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 3>do this?

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 1>You think I can do that? No? No, No.

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 3>My question to you is what is the process of

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 3>when a director talks to an actor of what they want?

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Like when all right, let me pick something that's okay,

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 3>So when you're chosen for a Freaky Friday, I'm pulling.

0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Something random from from your past.

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.879
<v Speaker 3>Been in a situation where you know a director knows

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 3>exactly what they're doing, exactly what they want, and then

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 3>you've been in a situation probably where the director doesn't

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 3>know anything.

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Can I recommend something to you?

0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Have you had Maggie jillen haul on here yet?

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Not at all?

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you guys should ask Maggie to come and have

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>this convot with you, because Maggie's wrote and directed The

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Bride just coming out with Christian Bale and Jesse Buckley.

0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>This is a movie Maggie wrote and directed. And I

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>watched something on the internets about how she directs the

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>two different actors, and that with Christian she would go

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 2>up and be very quiet and whisper in his ear

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and give him little adjustments, and with Jesse she would

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 2>shout out, Jesse, now do it this way. And at

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:59.359
<v Speaker 2>one point, apparently Christian Bale said to her, I want

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>you to yell at me too, like he was feeling

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>left out.

0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Now one's afraid of Christian Bale.

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you this.

0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Does he not know that tape still exist?

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Here is my story for you. Okay, the day of

0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the bear Io at Debris, who I'm assuming you've had

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 2>in this very chair.

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:19.919
<v Speaker 1>Friend of mine. No, No, I haven't, but we're friends.

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she's awesome. You should have her. I will Io

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:27.840
<v Speaker 2>was shadowing Chris Storer because she was set to direct

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 2>an episode of the show and she wasn't in that

0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:34.840
<v Speaker 2>episode because that episode is the flashback of the family dinner,

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:37.359
<v Speaker 2>and so she's not in it. And so that whole

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>week she was shadowing Chris. So she was coming to

0:47:40.960 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the set watching Chris set cameras watch and watching him

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 2>work with the actors in the rehearsal if there was rehearsal,

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 2>or where he put his camera and what. And you know,

0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it was a very crowded little house. And Io and

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.399
<v Speaker 2>I were sitting on the stairwell, the staircase going up,

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 2>talking for like forty five minutes one day, and we

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't know each other, and we were getting to know

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.840
<v Speaker 2>each other. And at one point she said, like, what

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:10.320
<v Speaker 2>do you like? What do you like from a director?

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:14.879
<v Speaker 2>And I said, okay, I hate. I did a show

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 2>called New Girl, and the way they directed that show,

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.920
<v Speaker 2>they would shout at me, okay, now Jamie say this, Okay, Jamie,

0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 2>now do this. And I hated it because I felt

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>like what I said, I like it if somebody comes

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>up and just whispers in my ear, I don't want

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 2>my scene partner. You're my scene partner here, I don't

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 2>want you to know what adjustment I'm going to make.

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 2>In the scene. I don't want you to know it

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 2>because I want you to react to what I'm going

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 2>to do differently organically, not oh, she's going to do

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 2>this one with a lot more intensity, whatever, whatever the

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 2>bad direction. And I said to Aole, I like it

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 2>if somebody just whispers in my ear, like simple things

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:08.120
<v Speaker 2>like faster, slower, hot, or colder. And I said to her,

0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I would even love if somebody just set a color

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 2>and nothing else. So I said, I hate if somebody

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 2>yells in front of the crew a direction to me,

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 2>it embarrasses me, it shuts me down. I'd be like,

0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 2>I would feel mortified. So we do the dinner table

0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 2>scene in the episode of The Bear, and we you know,

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of people. These are all these actors

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.680
<v Speaker 2>who I never met, and I'm like, oh my god,

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:43.399
<v Speaker 2>they're John mulaney and oh there's Sarah Bolson and oh

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 2>my god, there's Bob Owenkirk. And I have these monologues

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm about to like lose my shit. And I

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, so, anyway, we did the first take of

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Donna coming in and you know, wreaking havoc at the

0:49:56.200 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 2>table and shit broke, and shit flew and blah blah blah,

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>and then we did it again. So we did two

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 2>takes of it. And after we did the second take,

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting off by myself and Io walked up

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to me. By the way, Christor didn't say a word

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to me, he would say, okay, now let's do it

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>again one more time, please. Reset Io walked up to

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:26.440
<v Speaker 2>me and whispered in my ear, purple. That's all she

0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 2>said to me. She said the word purple. And what

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:35.720
<v Speaker 2>she was saying is, you've done a take red hot.

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 2>You've gone red. The first take I was like, you know,

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 2>an atomic bomb went off. She said this Basically, what

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.319
<v Speaker 2>she was saying is the first take was read. The

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:53.240
<v Speaker 2>second take was fire, searing hot, yellow flame, orange flame.

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:59.880
<v Speaker 2>What she said was, you're wounded. All of what's happening

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 2>to Donna in that scene is pain, not anger. Pain.

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:13.600
<v Speaker 2>The wound is purple, a bruise is purple. And that's

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the take in the show that they used. So for me,

0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 2>from a directing standpoint, that's how you talk to me.

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 2>You want something out of me. No one else knew

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 2>what I was, what the adjustment was. She whispered in

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 2>my ear.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that have you ever considered, especially this exact

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 3>point in your life post Oscar.

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 1>And here's here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to lead people into thinking that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>once you get this mantle, clear it off and you

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 3>place your ward there an where's your asker?

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>In my office she has a do you promise it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not in the bathroom or anything.

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I have many story whereas doorstopper.

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:02.399
<v Speaker 2>There's a googly eye.

0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>You put it on there? Of course, wait, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you did you not post it?

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Of course there's a Google eye. And they them pin

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that my daughter Ruby had because she's sort of gender

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>you know there it's sort of genderless, so it felt

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>like it needed to They them, yes, no, no, no,

0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a Google eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my point is that I wanted to know, did

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<v Speaker 3>you ever entertain the thought of crossing the velvet rope

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<v Speaker 3>to the executive side, the director's side.

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm a DJA member for a long time. I directed

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the sitcom I did I Was Anything But Anything But Love.

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I was prepared to go off and direct a movie

0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 2>that I was going to star in right when COVID hit.

0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>COVID killed the movie. I was going to direct the

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Truth of the matter is. I am married to a

0:52:56.400 --> 0:53:01.000
<v Speaker 2>film director and I have two daughters. The commitment a

0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 2>director has to give to a project, the amount of time,

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 2>is way more than an actor. Now I'm also a producer.

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I produced the movie last year, The Lost Bus, Yes

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Matthew McConaughey and America Ferrar, the true story of the

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Paradise Fire, the story of Kevin McKay and Mary Ludwig,

0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:23.759
<v Speaker 2>who were the school bus driver and school teacher who

0:53:23.840 --> 0:53:26.120
<v Speaker 2>saved the lives of those twenty two children during the

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:31.800
<v Speaker 2>fire in California. Scarpetta, the TV show that we aren't

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.440
<v Speaker 2>talking about because we don't need to, is a TV

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 2>show that I brought on Amazon. I'm friends with the

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>author of the books, Patricia Cornwall. She's written thirty six

0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:45.239
<v Speaker 2>best selling books about a character named Case Scarpetta who's

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:49.919
<v Speaker 2>a medical examiner, and I I'm friends with her, and

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I brought those books to my partner, Jason Blum, who

0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:57.359
<v Speaker 2>runs Blumhouse, and said, the books are available, no one

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>has turned them into a movie or TV show in

0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:05.360
<v Speaker 2>thirty six years. Let's do so. And so I'm producing

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the show Scarpetta, and then I'm only in it because

0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Nicole Kidman, who signed on to play Scarpetta, signed on saying, well,

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and you're in the show jam right because I'm producing it.

0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Of course I'm in the show. And so then it

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, squeen, I am going to because you

0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.319
<v Speaker 2>want me to be, and so I now play her

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 2>out of control, unhinged man, eater, Cray Cray sister.

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Are both roles hard to no manage it.

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<v Speaker 2>I do it all. I do it all, you know what.

0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I do everything with love. I love community, I love teams.

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I love the art form. I love collaboration. I love

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 2>that in this job I can't do when anybody else's

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that job. I need them to do

0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:57.160
<v Speaker 2>their job so I can do my job. I just

0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>love that it's a it's not a singular art form.

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.239
<v Speaker 2>It's a collaborative art form. And I love it and

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I've loved it. It still turns me on, flips my switch.

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>I wake up excited every day of work, every day.

0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Every day, gratitude is important.

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I wake up vitamin G. Like, first first shot of

0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 2>my day is vitamin G gratitude.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I literally it was like, wait, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>one I don't take out.

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but guess what I think you do?

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I have to I have to question how intimidating

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:36.520
<v Speaker 3>was it to enter the well oiled machine of Monty

0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Python when you did Wanda, Yeah, you know it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I assumed that John Clees was calling because I was

0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.759
<v Speaker 2>married to Christopher Guest. I had just gotten married to

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Guest. Yeah, who in that circle in America was

0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:03.319
<v Speaker 2>that level of appreciation for cometic ability was the sort

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 2>of commensurate you know what I mean, Like people loved

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:11.640
<v Speaker 2>spinal tap to the degree as you know that. I mean,

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 2>it's mental how much people love Chris and the work

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't know, the movie people right, and then the

0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 2>movies he made, you know, and he's a really singular talent.

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 2>So I assumed that John Clees wanted to talk to

0:56:24.800 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Guest and kind of using me as the portal.

0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 2>I did not know he was going to ask me

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.399
<v Speaker 2>to be in this thing. And the truth is.

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Did he think about osmosis effect that you two would

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:39.400
<v Speaker 1>be as silly and innovative with your humor?

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:41.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know what he thought. I had

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a newborn, I had a six month old. I was

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 2>going to London to make this weird little movie with

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 2>a six month old and my husband to move to

0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 2>London for a few months. It was challenging. I'm a mom,

0:56:55.640 --> 0:56:58.439
<v Speaker 2>so all of the work I do, the first thing

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I think about is how complic hated my personal life

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 2>was because of childhood. I'm not just an actor for

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:08.160
<v Speaker 2>hire where I can just go wherever, and I have

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:12.480
<v Speaker 2>no ties that bind I'm bound fully and so to

0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:16.520
<v Speaker 2>take to be an actor, I have to extricate every

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 2>day from I have a dog. I don't like leaving

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 2>my dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there an understanding with the director and the production

0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:29.840
<v Speaker 3>that you have a boundary as far as time is concerned.

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, to some degree, But I mean at the same time,

0:57:32.920 --> 0:57:35.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a bitch of a job in that way. I

0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 2>mean it's it's a time consuming job, and as you know,

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>movies and television and stuff, it takes time. The good

0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 2>news is for most people, most people work all their

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 2>lives movies and television. There are short lived, little sections

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 2>of time and you commit a lot. But there's just

0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of extricating and a lot of tie breaking,

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's hard for me. That's been hard for me

0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 2>since I had children, and it's hard for me. When

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I leave my house with my dog, I pack when

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 2>my dog is on his walk, I hide the.

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Suitcases because he knows you're leaving.

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 2>If he saw the suitcases, he would know I'm leaving.

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 2>And then now, but I hide the suitcases. Then I

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>don't let him see me leaving the house, so he

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 2>just thinks when I say I'll be right back, he

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:32.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know I'm going to be gone for a week.

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 2>And what I'm trying to do is what I've learned

0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 2>from dog trainers, is if when you walk back in

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:47.720
<v Speaker 2>the house after being gone a week, and you just go, oh, hey, Rooney,

0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 2>how are you, what's up? And talk to people as

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't been gone, your leavings start to not

0:58:57.000 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 2>affect them so much. The problem is we when we're

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:05.320
<v Speaker 2>gone and they and we open the door, we're like

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and that then ramps them up, and that gives them

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the idea that you've been gone. So I'm yes, so

0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:18.840
<v Speaker 2>extricating from Pet's husband's children.

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 3>And this is what I learned, like, this is you

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 3>returning it me with dust off your mantle. You taught

0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:32.640
<v Speaker 3>me a valuable lesson When I tell you, patience is key,

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:34.160
<v Speaker 3>it's helping me grow more.

0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I realized that animals are about.

0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's what I'm gonna tell you. Yes, this is

0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:41.520
<v Speaker 2>your girlfriend's dog.

0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yes.

0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Wait till you get a dog that's yours. See it's different.

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:56.480
<v Speaker 2>It's your girlfriend's dog. You're not her person. But wait

0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:58.840
<v Speaker 2>till you get a dog of your own.

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm at I'm a cat person.

1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Wait till you get a cat.

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 1>No, I've had cats.

1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:12.320
<v Speaker 2>That connection, that idea. Come on, it's the most delicious,

1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 2>it's so sweet, it's it's going to be good.

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 1>It's working on me. Wow. I can't believe this is

1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:24.560
<v Speaker 1>where you let me to. Yeah, Jamie, I appreciate you.

1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm very happy to i'm's and podcast. And by the way,

1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:32.720
<v Speaker 2>let me say this, Yes, I think you are way

1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:38.200
<v Speaker 2>more than maybe even you think you are. And I

1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:41.080
<v Speaker 2>think you're going to expand into the narrative form in

1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful way, and you will figure out what people

1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.160
<v Speaker 2>want and need from you because you can go to

1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:48.880
<v Speaker 2>them and say, what do you want to need from

1:00:48.880 --> 1:00:52.680
<v Speaker 2>me here? Do you want a lot of feedback? Do

1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:55.520
<v Speaker 2>you want a little feedback? Do you want loud feedback?

1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Do you like soft feedback? It's like a lover. It's

1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>like it's in a way, it's very much saying it's

1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>an intimate thing we're doing. And even though we're not

1:01:06.560 --> 1:01:10.040
<v Speaker 2>talking about sex per se, there is a sex.

1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:11.120
<v Speaker 1>There's intimacy there.

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:13.720
<v Speaker 2>There is a big intimacy. And so it's really just

1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.680
<v Speaker 2>do you like it when I do this? Do you

1:01:16.720 --> 1:01:20.040
<v Speaker 2>want me to do this? More? Like? Do this less?

1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.320
<v Speaker 2>How about this? And I think you will find your

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:24.680
<v Speaker 2>voice as a director that.

1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Way I have.

1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I think the fear that I hold with it is

1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:33.720
<v Speaker 3>that I've heard, well one you know, the aforementioned Christian

1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Bale yelling tape still on the internet. There's a story

1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:41.840
<v Speaker 3>that Frank Oz tells about the difficulties of directing Marlon Brando,

1:01:42.840 --> 1:01:46.120
<v Speaker 3>and you know, the abuse that he had to take

1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.520
<v Speaker 3>from Marlon Brando to the point where Robert de Niro

1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:52.000
<v Speaker 3>was sort of like the go between, like they wouldn't

1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:53.160
<v Speaker 3>talk to each other and whatever.

1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:56.720
<v Speaker 1>And I think that also ties into in the music world.

1:01:56.880 --> 1:01:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I do not like cutting vocals.

1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:02.040
<v Speaker 3>I love creating the music, I love engineering, I love

1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:06.320
<v Speaker 3>every aspect of production and songwriting. But I do not

1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:11.520
<v Speaker 3>have the patience to sit there and coach something out

1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:13.640
<v Speaker 3>of you. Now now that I'm in the place where

1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I am and the roots happened to be working on

1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 3>our album right now.

1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I just started giving notes for the first time to

1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:21.640
<v Speaker 1>let my partner.

1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Trek in thirty four years of this group professionally, forty

1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:29.800
<v Speaker 3>years as just a high school friend, Like, this is

1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:31.800
<v Speaker 3>the first time where I'm giving him notes.

1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Previously I can hide behind and yeah. The first time,

1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, that wasn't bad. I think in

1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:39.360
<v Speaker 1>my mind, I'm like, you know, could you do it again?

1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Or I don't like this verse? Or how'd you feel

1:02:43.080 --> 1:02:44.840
<v Speaker 1>he took direction well, and I was shocked.

1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, so maybe he's been waiting for

1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you to give him some.

1:02:49.080 --> 1:02:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I found this out recently, so my work is done here.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie Lee Curtis, thank you very.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, this is the first I'm not asking you know.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm I'm If you had asked me a bunch

1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:05.600
<v Speaker 2>of like pre planned questions, I would have been all right, now, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a great conversation. Thank you for coming on. The

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