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Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: So everyone listening, I hope this is I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: it a whirl.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me what you think.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It Crew.

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Speaker 2: Was that good? That was pretty good?

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Speaker 3: You know what, It's got.

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Speaker 1: A little groove in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 1: I want to shake it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm feeling kind of like sexy all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for letting me try that on for size.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I think now it's it's imperative that

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Speaker 1: we take turns.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we do. I don't know. It's hard, it's yours,

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Speaker 2: it's yours. No, it's ours, it's yours. Well, this one,

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Speaker 2: this episode, Call It Crew, I'm gonna talk about some

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Speaker 2: thing that I actually have not really talked about before,

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Speaker 2: definitely have not talked about in detail, and we wanted

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Speaker 2: to make a special episode about it and have someone

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Speaker 2: on that was an expert because I have since discovered

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Speaker 2: that there are millions and millions and millions of people

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Speaker 2: also diagnosed with this and it felt very lonely when

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Speaker 2: I first realized I had it. And it's okay, So

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Speaker 2: we're just gonna we're gonna talk about Jess.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, they're gonna have a lot of guesses.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be really traumatic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not. Okay. Two ish three, maybe twoish

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Speaker 2: years ago, I was watching Ghostbusters and there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of silent parts in it. And I turned to

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Speaker 2: Matt and I said, is the TV buzzing? I was

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Speaker 2: very confused and he was like no. I'm like, do

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Speaker 2: you hear that ringing in your ear? And he was like, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't. And long story short, I realized that I

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Speaker 2: I had something called Tonight's which is and I still

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Speaker 2: have it to this day, which is a constant noise.

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Speaker 2: Actually I don't have it. You can have it in

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Speaker 2: one ear or the other ear. I only have it

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Speaker 2: in my right ear. I have it right now. I

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Speaker 2: can always hear it. And it was very distressing to

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Speaker 2: me because I realized, after a few days, oh, I

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Speaker 2: still hear this constantly. I'm not sure this is something

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Speaker 2: that I was really devastated over it. I heard it

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Speaker 2: very loudly a lot. I found it very hard to parent.

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Speaker 2: I was so self conscious. I felt like I was

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Speaker 2: going a little crazy, and I ended up doing a

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Speaker 2: hearing test and finding out that I also had some

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Speaker 2: hearing loss. Apparently I am have the hearing of someone

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Speaker 2: who is more like sixty years old and found that

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Speaker 2: news very distressing. And then I was told that Tonight's

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Speaker 2: could be caused by some sort of hearing loss I

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Speaker 2: don't need right now. I don't need a hearing aid,

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Speaker 2: although I'm sure I may need one at some point,

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Speaker 2: maybe in my forties, and I'm going to rock that,

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Speaker 2: by the way. Everyone but that it could also be

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Speaker 2: caused by a tumor, so I had to go for

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Speaker 2: an MRI. It was a whole thing where they had

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Speaker 2: I did not have a tumor on my scan, and

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Speaker 2: then I had to learn that this was something that

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Speaker 2: wasn't going to go away and I had to live

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Speaker 2: with it. And it's taken me some time, and I've

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Speaker 2: learned that after the pandemic especially, But I want to

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Speaker 2: ask our amazing expert on about this. That more and

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Speaker 2: more young people quote unquote have come forward with saying

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about it, because honestly, it was

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Speaker 2: not something that I knew a lot about and I

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Speaker 2: kind of want to get into it and for anyone

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Speaker 2: listen that has vertigo also can be another symptom of it.

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Speaker 2: I just think it would be really nice to feel

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Speaker 2: comforted by knowledge and stories.

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Speaker 1: This has never come up in our friendship, only when

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Speaker 1: we started working on the podcast, and obviously multi layer

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Speaker 1: aspects of who we are come to light. And another

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Speaker 1: this and it was incredibly interesting to hear you two

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Speaker 1: talk about it the way that you reported how you felt,

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Speaker 1: what you felt when you felt it, and then also

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Speaker 1: obviously just the bigness of it that I had. I

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Speaker 1: had no idea what was happening in your life. So

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Speaker 1: today we have an expert. Her name is Joey Ramenie

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Speaker 1: and she is a trained vestibular audiologist and a national

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Speaker 1: best selling author. She is also the founder and director

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Speaker 1: of Seeking Balance International. She supports people from all over

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Speaker 1: the neuroplasticity recovery process. She is from Melbourne and she

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Speaker 1: is here today with us to discuss all and I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited to learn more this. I feel like this

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Speaker 2: Hi Joey, Hello Joey, Hi, Hi, welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 2: Call it what it is. We are so excited to

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Speaker 2: have you. I'm personally so excited to have you on.

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Speaker 3: I'm delighted to be invited. So sunny Australia, warm vibes.

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Speaker 2: So I want to dive in a little bit because

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Speaker 2: when I was first diagnosed with tonight is what I

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Speaker 2: something my brain. This is what I was told, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know, was just something my brain was making up,

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Speaker 3: There's so many different ways to describe tinatus. It is

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Speaker 3: it's a sound that is generated inside of our body

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Speaker 3: that nobody else can hear. And it could be sounds

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Speaker 3: and mechanically generated like if you think about just even

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Speaker 3: that is a type of tinatus, which is like a

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Speaker 3: mechanical generated sound. But what you're referring to there is

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Speaker 3: there's other biological events happening. So every single moment of

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Speaker 3: chair or the clothes we're wearing. So all of that

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Speaker 3: neurological activity also has the potential to create kind of

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Speaker 3: sound in the brain, in the auditory cortex that we

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Speaker 3: brain is like fizzing and buzzing like a disco So

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Speaker 3: it's real, it's happening. The question of whether we hear

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Speaker 3: sometimes I think the tinatus can actually be the body's

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Speaker 3: then that just generates its own little panic cycle, which

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of just a false alarm cycle that

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Speaker 2: That's what I when I first had it, I was

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Speaker 2: And a doctor told me that it really helped me.

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Speaker 2: He said, listen at some point, you will hear it

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Speaker 2: So I can hear it right now, but it's much

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Speaker 2: other people there are different versions of these sounds, right,

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Speaker 2: So I've heard that sometimes it can sound like a

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Speaker 2: This was very soon after the pandemic. I had a

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Speaker 2: I think that I was diagnosed with some hearing loss

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Speaker 2: So I understand that it could be purely from hearing loss. However,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many factors at play, but yes, and

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Speaker 3: also chronic dizziness, which is the other. So these are

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Speaker 3: even visual spotting and dotting like from using lots of screens,

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Speaker 2: I was told that it is not curable, and that

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Speaker 2: is what was very maddening to me early on. What

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Speaker 3: Well, I can actually feel my blood boiling, like, this

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Speaker 3: is why I have seeking balance and do what I do,

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Speaker 3: because it's it's unfair to say that it's not true,

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Speaker 3: it's inaccurate. As these beautiful biological beings that we are,

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Speaker 3: we are constantly in dynamic change like no, like we

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Speaker 3: literally have cells dying and replenishing on three seven ten

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Speaker 3: day cycles. We are being remade all the time and reborn.

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Speaker 3: So nothing is static, nothing is forever. And the sounds

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Speaker 3: dance that we participate in. So if I concentrate on

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Speaker 3: my brain actually says, Okay, Team Joey's really interested in this.

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Speaker 3: She's studying it all the time, she's talking about it,

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Speaker 3: she's thinking about it. So let's give her more neurological

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Speaker 3: do I end and where do you begin? And I

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Speaker 3: think in the modern day world, we are literally drowning

435
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Speaker 3: in data. We're drowning in all of these outer world inputs.

436
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: We're losing ourselves and we're merging with other people and

437
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: other places and other politics, and it's really really frightening.

438
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: And I think to survive, we numb ourselves go grab

439
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: you know, more food, or more coffee, or more alcohol,

440
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 3: or go shopping. Like we really move to outer world

441
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: distractions to cope, and the body samata sizes and that's

442
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: when we get our tenetus in our dizziness and our

443
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: brain fog and the chronic fatigue that you know, you

444
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: just wake up Monday morning with dread because you've got

445
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: to do the whole week again. So this idea of

446
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 3: cleaning out our inner world outer world messiness and having

447
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: those stronger boundaries that brings us into sovereignty, that brings

448
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: us into self authority, self permission. So yeah, the short

449
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: answer is yes, what you're noticing is real, and just

450
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 3: because it's real for you doesn't mean it's real for

451
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 3: the next person. So again, really honoring uniqueness, individuality, and

452
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 3: I think having sas you know, having a little bit

453
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: of that badass, unapologetic this is my body, this is

454
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Speaker 3: my life.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's got that.

456
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got that.

457
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Speaker 1: So I'm listening to you, and first of all, I'm

458
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: it's like intoxicating. I'm like, I'm watching you and I'm

459
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: listening to you dark and I'm like yes and yes

460
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: and yes.

461
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Speaker 2: Well this is reminding me of when you had your

462
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 2: eye twitch and you were talking. Yeah, this is what

463
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 2: this is reminding me about. I think you have to

464
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: repeat the story so that Joy can hear it.

465
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I again, Kimila and I a joke

466
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: or do we that we like to bring it back

467
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: to how we've expect something. And since I'm on the

468
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: outside of this little diad, I got an eye twitch.

469
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: And it was during a time where I think that

470
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: my body was saying.

471
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Speaker 3: Hold the fuck up, Yeah, you need.

472
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: To calm down, you need to chill out, you need well, actually, honestly,

473
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: more than anything, I think, it was like I need

474
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: your attention. You're not paying attention to me, and I wasn't.

475
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: I was like, just keep swamming, just keep swamming. I've

476
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: got this, We've got this, and to keep going. And

477
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: I would stand there talking to someone while I was

478
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Speaker 1: trying to get something done, and I would be holding my.

479
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: Eyelid and because it lasted a year for her, it

480
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: lasted a year.

481
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Speaker 1: And people would be like, why are you holding your

482
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Speaker 1: eye lid? And they're like, well, I just it's not

483
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: you can't see it, but I can. So is that something?

484
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean?

485
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: My guess is that all those neuropathways are obviously looking

486
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Speaker 1: to different. We have a news that that's another form

487
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: of it.

488
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Speaker 3: Yes, And like this trim twitching, jerking, they're actually like

489
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: little ways the neural system is expelling and discharging a

490
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: pent up neurological energy. So it's like, so the next

491
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: book I'm writing is actually talking about how we digest

492
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: and metabolize and excreet all the invisible data that we're

493
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: taking in. So as we go about our day, we're

494
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: taking in like politics, judgments, assumptions, cultural nuance, thoughts. You know,

495
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: even if like someone was to give you the evil

496
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: eye and give you a bit of a smirk so

497
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: that no words passed, but there is a message they're

498
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: coming like in all of this human relating, and we

499
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: have to take that in and digest it. And so

500
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: the body's literally riddled with all of these neurological traffic

501
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: jams and undigested life experience where we haven't been able

502
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: to biochemically complete what we've just experienced in the day.

503
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: This is when people come to me because they're smaticizing,

504
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: and I help them learn to integrate and excrete. So

505
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: it's not actually all about tinatus and dizziness. It's the

506
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: whole human experience.

507
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: So only because I'm trying to also be a person

508
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: who I mean, who doesn't semat size? Will you please define?

509
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 3: That's the word we use when the symptomatology is coming up.

510
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: So the soma, the sematics the body. So the physical

511
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: body is beginning to say okay, shoulders tenching or eyelids twitching,

512
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: and this is the body doing what it's yeah to

513
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: complete its biochemical processes.

514
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: So in my experience, my body has told me things

515
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: that my mind hasn't. So for me, a sematic response

516
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: would be I've talked about this before. When I'm in

517
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: a difficult conversation, when I'm nervous, when I'm just feeling

518
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: challenged on some level, I can instantly feel my body

519
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: temperature rise and I get armpit sweat super cute. I know,

520
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: I know, it's charming. It's a really lovely part of me.

521
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: You can all just imagine me with my armpit sweat

522
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: rings right now. But I instantly start sweating. And it's

523
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: how I know, because sometimes my mind is like, again,

524
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: just keep swimming, you've got this. I'm an opt I

525
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: skew optimistic. I've dealt with a lot in my life.

526
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: I've kept going. I know I can, or at least

527
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: I believe I can. I think and there and therefore

528
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: I am. But my body, it's it's it's it's actually

529
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: a weird. Obviously, it's like an inverse of some people's challenge.

530
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: Some people are like, I can't do it. I can't

531
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: do it. I can't do it. I'm like, I can

532
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: do it, and then my body is like nope, nope,

533
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: something's wrong.

534
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: It's just white knuckle to it. Make it happen. The

535
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: body's giving us that feedback loop, the Bayo feedback loop.

536
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: And you know, I just think you can't do life wrong.

537
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: It's not even about you know, I don't know, tuning

538
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: in and living perfectly. It's like when your body's really

539
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: going to talk to you, the pain gets higher. Like

540
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: pain is the body's most efficient form of communications. So

541
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: we do what we can until we reach that threshold

542
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: where we're like whoa, whoa, this is too much. And

543
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: that's usually when people come to me. But yeah, this

544
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: trip tremoring, jerking, twitching, that can actually be the body's

545
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: way of, in a healthy context, releasing neural excess energy

546
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: that doesn't need to live in the body. And that's

547
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: why actually shaking it out and dancing and physical activity

548
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: is so important for our health to complete some of

549
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: those biochemical processes.

550
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Speaker 1: And it's funny because we were talking about, you know,

551
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: not that a tremor is painful but that there are

552
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: these ways that our body experiences pain or discomfort and

553
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: it's actually got purpose. It's a signal. Yeah, it's letting

554
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: you know exactly.

555
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: I would say every single thought, sensation, story, intuition, image,

556
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: all of it. I think all of it has its place.

557
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: And I really encourage people and teach people to pause

558
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: as often as they can, body scan and actually take

559
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: notice of what's going on in my body and multiple

560
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: times a day. And I call that collecting the warm data,

561
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: Like inside your body is the warm data that is

562
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: giving you that feedback. It's like the dashboard of your car.

563
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: It's always available to you. And then the cold data

564
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: is from outside of us. That's the outside looking in.

565
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: That's your test results, your blood tests, your MRI scans,

566
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: that's all the cold data. The warm data is that

567
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: intuitive data that's in the body, and we sense it

568
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: and feel it, and we get better and better and

569
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: better at that with practice and support, and in the

570
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: beginning we're just like, oh my god, it's just overwhelming.

571
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: I can't make sense of anything inside of me. But

572
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: it does honestly become much more fluid and fluid.

573
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Speaker 2: One of the things I was told right at the

574
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Speaker 2: very beginning was to have white noise on in every

575
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: room so I could start to sort of tune it out.

576
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: Is that something that you would recommend for people listening?

577
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: What I'm just thinking, because why I'm asking is it

578
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: would be easier, much easier for me now to go

579
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: through a program that helps me. In the beginning, it

580
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: was so distressing. My anxiety about it was so bad

581
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: that it felt disoriented in you know, like I didn't

582
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: It's just I couldn't even hear my children. Even though

583
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: I could they were talking and I could hear them,

584
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't that that's the only thing I could hear.

585
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: What is something initially you would recommend to help someone

586
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: sort of sender themselves that you've seen work.

587
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent. Well, the body scan for sure,

588
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: if they're capable of that. Getting out in nature also

589
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: really really supportive and useful in so many levels, but

590
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: out and about around the house. I mean, any kind

591
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: of noise. If you want to use white noise, pink noise, whatever,

592
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: go for it. But I wouldn't use it to drown

593
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 3: out the sinatus because what that's doing is teaching the brain. Hey, brain,

594
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: we have a problem, focus on it. Get rid of it.

595
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: I talk about this in my book rock Steady. The

596
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: more we focus on the tinatus as a problem, the

597
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: more we neurologically exacerbate it, which keeps the perpetuated symptom loop.

598
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: So what I say to people is there's nothing wrong

599
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: with using noise, but just think about what's my motivation

600
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: if I put on my favorite playlist, like listening to

601
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: your podcast or you know, all this fun music to

602
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: match my mood. You know, maybe I'm sad and I

603
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: want to listen to blues music or Willie Nelson. Maybe

604
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: I want to dance, so I put on some Latin

605
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: music when I'm choosing the music, which is still going

606
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: to drown out the tinatus. But when I'm choosing the

607
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: playlist to get me in an emotional state that's coming

608
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: from a place of desire, pleasure, moving, you know music

609
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: took to cook to. Yeah, I'm actually achieving the same

610
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: purpose of shifting the neural activity away from the tintus.

611
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: But it's not coming from getting rid of it. It's

612
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: coming from moving toward the desire to feel my body

613
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: dance and move, to be emotionally connected. So I think

614
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: a lot of modern day therapies and tinatus retraining techniques,

615
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: they kind of miss the juicy importance of bringing the

616
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: emotional body along because we can't just look at the

617
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: physical it's if you look at the whole person. Actually,

618
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: you can't just look at the thoughts or just look

619
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: at the emotions, or just look at the sound. We

620
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: have to look at the whole person and say, Okay,

621
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 3: how can we best participate in these neural maps. And

622
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: it's going to be everything from body position to the

623
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: mindset and the thoughts to meaningfully addressing and meeting the

624
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: fears that are alive in that moment. We have to

625
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: digest and process the fears or the fears takeover. And

626
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: then the missing piece, which I really talk about at

627
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: length in my rock Steady book, is what do I

628
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: desire to feel? Because they're the neural pathways I need

629
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: to start focusing on. And if I want to feel connected, juicy, playful, free,

630
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: maybe I have a playlist that takes me on that

631
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 3: journey and I can groove to the music and then

632
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: I'm really firing the neurons and actually has nothing to

633
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: do with the tinatus. So again that's the smoke, not

634
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: the fire.

635
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: I love that analogy.

636
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: I think even the knowledge that something can be done

637
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: about it, because when you have it and you go

638
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: to a doctor and and you say this is so distressing,

639
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: it feels very isolating. Initially, and I felt very lonely

640
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: because I felt like I'm the only one that can

641
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: hear this, Nobody else can it. Just I felt very alone.

642
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: I think just the knowl if someone had just said

643
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: to me, Hey, there's actually a way to cure this

644
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: is what you're saying to write, I think I would

645
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: have felt gotten over hearing it so loudly a lot quicker.

646
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: I think the hopelessness comes from people saying there's nothing

647
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: to be done, and so that's why I feel like

648
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: this is so exciting, and I hope anyone listening, because

649
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: the more I said, oh I have this, I was

650
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: shocked at how many people around me were like, oh yeah,

651
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: I had that too.

652
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: It's one in three people, it's a lot. Not everybody

653
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: has it to psychologically distressing levels, but some people are

654
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: debilitated and suicidal. And there are so many people who

655
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: literally their lives are saved when they enter the rock

656
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: steady process because they get their life back.

657
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: It's that duck I found that distressing too. I found

658
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: it very triggering to know that some people had ended

659
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: their own lives over it, because I thought, God, what

660
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: if it gets that bad one day? Because I understood

661
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: that mine wasn't the worst that it could be. I've

662
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: heard the sort of noises that other people hear sounds

663
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: other people here, and it was unimaginable to me.

664
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Speaker 1: There's quite a few people that have written in, so

665
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: I would love to read some of their questions. If

666
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: that works for everyone, Yeah, I would love to.

667
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Speaker 3: And can I just add here if you are listening

668
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 3: and you're really in that difficult alone place. On my website,

669
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: there are heaps of case studies of people who have

670
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: gone through it, and they've gone through the dark soul

671
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: of the night. They're on the other side, and I

672
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of companionship gauging with real life

673
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: stories where you're getting it. We want to recondition ourselves

674
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: to believe in the body and to really participate in

675
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: the process and not feel like we're just passive victims

676
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: and lives being thrown upon us. So, yeah, the case

677
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: studies are powerful, and my book also, rock Steady, has

678
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: a lot of mythbusting and useful supportive tricks and ideas

679
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: and home practices that you can try straight away.

680
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: And also we will put make sure this is in

681
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: all of our online for everybody. But can you just

682
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: say what your website is.

683
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: It's seeking balance dot com dot au.

684
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: Okay, Anne wrote it, and she said, any quick and

685
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: easy solutions for dizziness because I get dizzy very often.

686
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: My heart is with you, an I'm I'm gonna say

687
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: the body scan. It's all about reorienting ourselves to understand, Okay,

688
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: my shoulders are above my hips, I can feel both

689
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: feet on the ground. Like we want to really build

690
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: our neurological structures in the proprioceptive system, which is thirty

691
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: percent of our balance function. So you have your ears,

692
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: your eyes, and your proprioceptive system, which is a fancy

693
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: word for how we orient ourselves, how we locate ourselves

694
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: and the sensation of touch. So when we're swaying side

695
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: to side, our propriaceptive system is going okay, lifts and right,

696
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: and we hone that we absolutely refine that function through practice,

697
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: and my book Crop Steady has a lot of really

698
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: simple practices that will help you with that.

699
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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, because I know that verdigo is part of this.

700
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: And I wrote in and they said that there is

701
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: constant itchy and cracking noises in the ear for months

702
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: a cause of concern. My current doctor has been very

703
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: dismissive and very agitated. Is that something that tonight's orus

704
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: can sound like? Can it sound like that?

705
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Speaker 3: Yes? Oh? Absolutely?

706
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: Am I itching too?

707
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 3: Itching?

708
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: Not so much?

709
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: It's got no, it's just it's going a bit laterally.

710
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: But honestly, you can get dermatitis and like exma in

711
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: your ears. Oh and so you can medically soothe that,

712
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: or you know, olive oil is very safe to try

713
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: in the ears. Just a drop of olive oil and

714
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: just allow that to have a little bit of a

715
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: lubrication and moisturizing effect. But honestly, psoriasis treatments, all of

716
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: those things are still relevant. And and you know, try

717
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: a different doctor if you're feeling dismissed.

718
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Always yes, advocating for yourself. So Kiki wrote in and said,

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Speaker 1: for several years, if I sleep my any side besides

720
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Speaker 1: my left, I get vertigo. Any suggestions on how to

721
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Speaker 1: fix this?

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Speaker 3: Well? BEPPV Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo is the technical term

723
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Speaker 3: for the most common form of vertigo. I've actually had

724
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Speaker 3: it twice. One in four people get it, so very

725
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 3: common and you can treat it. I talk about it

726
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: in my book. You can google it, and there's basically

727
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: little calcium carbonate odiconia molecules. They call them crystals, and

728
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: they live in the ears. They're healthy, but they can

729
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: fall out of their little bedroom and start rolling around

730
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: the ear. So if it's the right side that's getting dizzy,

731
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: it might be the right ear that's affected. So what

732
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 3: we do is we test and treat which ear where

733
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: the crystals are, and then we literally just roll them back.

734
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Speaker 3: It's like less than two minutes the treatment, and once

735
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: you're treated, you're treated full life.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, So it can come and go.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I've had it twice, but you can

738
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Speaker 3: test and treat it literally on the spot. And in

739
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: my rock Steady program, I have a whole video tutorial

740
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 3: where people do that themselves. Because it's so debilitating, you

741
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 3: can be like, I never ever want to go traveling

742
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: ever again because I need to have my physiotherapist around

743
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: the corner nearby in case the crystals come out. So

744
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: it's really debilitating. But once you have this education that Okay,

745
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: I can test and treat myself. I can literally do

746
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: that in my hotel in Thailand. So really important to

747
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: get that kind of basic stuff covered because you don't

748
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: have to live with it, and many people do.

749
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Speaker 2: My friend also has has been diagnosed with to notice

750
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: he wants to know if your treatment because this is

751
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: what I would keep reading when I would google. It

752
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: is part of it to do with listing to different frequencies,

753
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: because I've heard that that's something that people sometimes they

754
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: treat tonight us with that, although it doesn't necessarily sound

755
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: like it's a curing it.

756
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think we're really trained to look outside

757
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: of ourselves for answers to distract, to numb, to ignore,

758
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: to medicate, And I think some of these fancy devices

759
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 3: I don't recommend them, but I also don't not recommend them.

760
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know yourself, if you love gadgets

761
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: and devices that lights you up, it makes you excited,

762
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: go for it in all that frequency matching.

763
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Speaker 2: Because you're getting that feeling internally, and that's really maybe

764
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: what that is.

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00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an emotional yearning for like, ah, you know,

766
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: I really want that inspector gadget watch and you know,

767
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: this makes me feel like I'm an avatar. So it's

768
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: like different strokes for different folks. But me, I would

769
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: go music. I would go the full spectrum of frequencies.

770
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: I would let myself be really flooded with music that

771
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: I love, rather than trying to isolate a frequency and

772
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: really overly obsess about something very linear. I always go

773
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 3: the nonlinear. I always go the complex. Human beings are complex,

774
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: and I think we need to meet complexity with complexity,

775
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: not try and make tenesis into some linear simple You know,

776
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 3: I have a splinter. Get the Tweezers pulled the splinter out.

777
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: This is not what we're talking about. It's going on LINEA.

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Speaker 1: I love what you've said repeatedly, which is the body scan,

779
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: because I do think. I mean, there's a whole book

780
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: about the body knows the score. Your body doesn't forget

781
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: all the things that's been through. It actually doesn't. Your

782
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: mind actually has a different and more sophisticated coping system,

783
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: but your body actually is a little more raw and

784
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: remembers it all. This has been so incredible.

785
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, incredibly.

786
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: Informative for me. I mean, sitting on the outside I

787
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: could watch you guys and hear and listen to you.

788
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: But thank you so much for spend Thank you so much.

789
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: Yes, and I actually did not know that statistic of

790
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: one in three, So I'm sure so many people listening

791
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: will relate to this and be given hope. I really

792
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: you're the first, literally the first person I've heard that

793
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: could ever be like, wow, this is something that could

794
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: fix I love this. You still have it right I

795
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: can hear right now because we're talking about it.

796
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: I smell a part too between you two.

797
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: I will happily have you on in listeners. If you

798
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: have more specific questions about this, please hit us in

799
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: the comments, hit us in our DMS.

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Speaker 3: I really deliberately have a neurodiversity and complexity affirming community

801
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: because we're all so different, and so many of my

802
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: participants have not been believed. It's yes, it's heart wrenching

803
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: and neurodivergences and all of these things matter, like we

804
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 3: have to figure out what brain am I born with?

805
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 3: What body am I born with? How are they communicating?

806
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 3: And how can I fully participate? So I'm actually happy.

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00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being joy.

808
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: We will have you back on pleasure. Yes, thank you

809
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: so much. This was so incredible. Thank you. Okay, bye bye.

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00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: Bye, have a great day you too.

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Speaker 2: I love that she joined us all the way from Australia.

812
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: I want to end this podcast just by saying that

813
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: Jess and I started this podcast to build community for

814
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: people not to feel so alone. When I first had this,

815
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: I felt so alon, I felt crazy, I felt like

816
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 2: it was maddening. And I know this is a very

817
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: specific topic that we are tackling today, but maybe you

818
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: even know someone in your life that has it and

819
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: you don't have it. Please please give this podcast to them.

820
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: It has meant so much to me just listening to this.

821
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: It really felt hopeless for a long time. And this

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00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: is very exciting, very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And obviously, I mean, you know when people when

824
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: we bring on the professionals, and we bring on the doctors,

825
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: and we bring on to the people who study these

826
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: things with their whole beings every single day, they have

827
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: a different set of vocabulary and there are always I

828
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: always love when I'm in a conversation when I hear

829
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: a new word.

830
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, write it down, look.

831
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Speaker 1: It up, you know. So you know, she's clearly given

832
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: us so many things to think about, and so many

833
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: different words and ways of seeing things. And I'm so

834
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: excited to take my notes from today's podcast and double

835
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: click and look some words up and make sure that

836
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I understand all that she was talking about. And I

837
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: have heard about body scans. It is definitely it's not

838
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: an actual scan, by the way. You don't go get

839
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: it in a doctor's office. And I don't want to

840
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: speak to it specifically because I don't know that I

841
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: will describe it as it should be described. But it

842
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: is definitely not a doctor's office visit. It is a

843
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: body scan that you do with yourself, and I'm going

844
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: to now go look it up so I re equate

845
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: myself with it. But it is something that I think

846
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: everyone should look into if you're interested in this topic,

847
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: and also please let us know what was interesting about

848
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: this and what you would like to know more about

849
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: if there's other subjects.

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00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: Because she's talking also about brain fog, and I know

851
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: that a lot of people, a lot of people right now,

852
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: I feel like they're suffering from that.

853
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh, as it pertains to long COVID,

854
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: as it pertains to perimenopause, menopause, we're going to talk

855
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: about that, by the way. Yeah, there's going to be

856
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: so many things that we're going to talk about, and

857
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: often we're going to talk about the chit chat and

858
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: the being together and all that, and then sometimes we're

859
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: gonna pull in these moments and I would love to

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00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: hear from you all and the crew, you know, how

861
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: you respond to it, if it's interesting, if it's like

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Speaker 1: what what would be what would be a topic that

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Speaker 1: you'd like to go do a deep dive into. And

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Speaker 1: because it's we're so lucky we have, you know, incredible

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Speaker 1: people that are really ready to come on and talk

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Speaker 1: to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if we don't know what it is, we

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Speaker 2: will find someone that does. We're all about those experts.

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Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go, let go.

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Speaker 2: I think that we we're gonna call it the end

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Speaker 2: of the episode, but I think that we I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: call it community because I think sharing all of this

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Speaker 2: kind of shit that feels lonely sometimes is gonna be

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Speaker 2: key to helping us all be so much happier. So

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Speaker 2: quite simply just happier at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I will I will add to it.

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Speaker 1: I would also call it you are not.

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Speaker 2: Alone yeah, absolutely all right guys, thanks for joining us

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Speaker 2: and hit us up in the comments.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Joey, Thank you Joey.

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Speaker 2: Bye.