1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: It's Sunday, December seventh, twenty twenty five. Welcome to Real 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward. We 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: are in the Advent season, a time of anticipation and 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: preparation as we remember the hope that came into the 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: world through the birth of Jesus Christ. In a moment 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: of darkness, God sent his son to be the light 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: of the world, and a time of despair, he sent 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: the Prince of Peace. This Christmas season, let's fix our 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: eyes on the one who came to save us. Our 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: scripture today comes from Isaiah chapter nine, verse six. For 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: to us a child is born, to us a son 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder, 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: and his name shall be called Wonderful counselor Mighty God, 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. As always, we want to 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: be an encouragement to our viewers and listeners to hold 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: fast to the Gospel and the unchanging Word of God. 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 1: I am Ryan Helfenbein. I'm filling in for doctor Tim Clinton. 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: I'll be your host today. 19 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim 20 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and x We love being a 21 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: part of your Life. 22 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Joining me now is Rod Martin. Rod is the CEO 23 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and founder of Martin Capitol. He's also an investor, futurist, 24 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: and tech entrepreneur, helping to launch a number of ventures, 25 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: including PayPal. Rod is also a regular commentator on politics 26 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: and business. Rod, thank you for joining Sunday the Road 27 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: Forward is great to see you as always, great to 28 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: be here. 29 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: Thank you well. 30 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: I know that you have an eye on what's going 31 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: on all around the nation, and you write quite a 32 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: bit at your substack. Very impressive the content that you're 33 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: putting out there. You have a newsletter as well that 34 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: goes out to tens of thousands. You one hundreds of 35 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: thousands of followers on social media. Many people are subscribing 36 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: to what you're talking about, especially when it comes to 37 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: economic policy. Sixty two percent of Americans under the age 38 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: of thirty have a favorable view of socialism or socialistic policies. 39 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: That comes to about thirty two million young people in 40 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: the United States of America. Obviously, Zori mam Donnie won 41 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: his race for mayor. He swears in on January one. 42 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: What do you make of all of this? Is this 43 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: the end of civilization as we know it? Or is 44 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: there a way to fight back for free markets, for 45 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: capitalism and freedom. 46 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think the biggest single thing is that young 47 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: people feel this affordability crisis, which is very real. It's 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: also very really the creation of four years of horrendous 49 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: fiscal and monetary policy. So we're in the hangover from that, 50 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: just like we were in the very beginning of the 51 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: Reagan years. But within a couple years, Ronald Reagan was 52 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: able to get the economy on such good track that 53 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: we went from having a recession about every two and 54 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: a half years from World War Two until his presidency 55 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: to having a recession about once every ten years since 56 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: his presidency. That's actually quite an extraordin difference. And at 57 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: one point we actually hit seven point one percent GDP 58 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: growth in the Reagan years. That's about to happen here. 59 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: You know, Trump's bringing eighteen trillion dollars in investment into 60 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 3: the United States. That goes straight to manufacturing jobs, high 61 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: tech jobs, all kinds of positive things. Deporting all of 62 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: these illegal aliens, ten million of whom flooded into the 63 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 3: country in just the four year span of Joe Biden 64 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: absolutely pushed housing prices through the roof, as you start 65 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: to eliminate that housing is going to regulate, and it's 66 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: gonna be more affordable. And while I'm not a huge 67 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: fan of this fifty year mortgage idea, I get it. 68 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: If you can buy a lower payment and then you're 69 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: smart and you make double payments after a certain point 70 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: when you're able to, that's actually a pretty good on 71 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: ramp for some people. A better on ramp would be 72 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: more economic growth. And that's a exactly what all that 73 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: new investment and the new tax cuts are going to produce, 74 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: just like clockwork, just like they did in the early eighties. 75 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Am, I'm very optimistic and hopeful that 76 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: we can achieve some kind of growth. And I love 77 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: what you say about the nineteen eighties. That was certainly 78 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: true about Ronald Reagan. You look at the turbulence of 79 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies. There was an energy crisis, there was 80 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: an inflation crisis. Jimmy Carter only exacerbated the problem, and 81 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: he was a terrible president, and Ronald Reagan had to 82 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: inherit all of that. But then you saw the landslide 83 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: victory in nineteen eighty four. Americans were seeing that it works. 84 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: And I think that is the biggest firewall against socialism. 85 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: Socialism is a lie that doesn't but capitalism is actually 86 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: a solutions based model that works. So when people are 87 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: seeing their standard to living go up, they're seeing incomes rise, 88 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: they're seeing debts go down. I think credit card debt 89 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: in the United States is a little over one point 90 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: five trillions something like that, and college debt is one 91 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: point eight. But if young people see, hey, my basis 92 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: at twenty one was this, At twenty five, it's this, 93 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: and at thirty and my life is getting better, it's 94 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: going the right direction. I think that is the best 95 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: proof that socialism doesn't work. 96 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: Well, look, it doesn't work anywhere it's been tried. You know, 97 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 3: you look at Great Britain right now and they're really 98 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: struggling because they elected socialists. You look at all of Europe. 99 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: Europe had a larger collective GDP than we did in 100 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: very recent memory. Now they're at two thirds of our GDP. 101 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: What's the difference stifling socialist policy from the top down 102 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: in Europe versus even in the Obama and Biden years, 103 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: which are comparatively bad robust capitalism in the United States. 104 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: Now you say, well, okay, but we're poor here, well, okay, 105 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: but every country in Europe is now poorer than Mississippi. 106 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: So there's a distinct comparison to be made here. And 107 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: if you really let her rep here, it really changes things. So, 108 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: for instance, if you have the growth rate that you 109 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: had under Barack Obama, it takes more than half a 110 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: century to double the economy, which means there's just no 111 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: opportunity for young people. There's no opportunity really for anybody 112 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: except the super rich. If you have just the GDP 113 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: growth rate that you had from World War Two until 114 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: Obama three point four percent a year, that doubles the 115 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: economy every twenty six years, it's just an extraordinaryfference. It 116 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: means things are booming. It means there are new jobs, 117 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: there's opportunity for advancement, there's opportunity to buy homes. All 118 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: these things come together, and we've done this before, we 119 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: know how to do it. We're looking all over the 120 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: world at socialists who are failing to do it. And honestly, 121 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: I'm not a bit worried about Zora and Mandani. He's 122 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: about to give us an object lesson in everything I 123 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: just said, and in the process he's gonna drive listings 124 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: off the New York Stock Exchange in Nasdaq to the 125 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: New Texas Stock Exchange in Dallas. And he's gonna move 126 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: hedge funds straight to Miami and Palm Beach. The Red 127 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: states will get richer, the Blue states will get poorer, 128 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 3: just as they already are in population. 129 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: Okay, And on that point, it is a very important 130 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: point that you made right there, and that is mobility. 131 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: And for the longest time that has been true of 132 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,239 Speaker 1: the wealthy class in his country. The tax risk policies, 133 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: we know don't work because there's not enough money in 134 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: the world that the rich have to pay for everything 135 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: that the socialists want. But also in the United States 136 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: of America, we have freedom of movement, and people can 137 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: leave California, they can leave New York, they can go 138 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: to Florida, they can go to Texas. You were in 139 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: the sunny state of Florida. My native Texas is doing 140 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: quite well. But the Blue states are getting bluer. I 141 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: mean they are getting super super blue. New York City 142 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: has been blue for quite a while. We had Mayor Bloomberg, 143 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: who was the last so called Republican mayor. My favorite 144 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: was Rudy Giuliani. He cleaned up crime in New York City, 145 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: and they benefited quite well. In the nineteen nineties, there 146 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: were all kinds of reforms and changes in New York City. 147 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: But to your point, these guys can go to any 148 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: other state. They don't have to stay in New York City, 149 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: and America still benefits from that. Movement. 150 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: Ability is the problem socialists can never overcome. You don't 151 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: see migrant caravans going to Venezuela. You see them flooding 152 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: out of Venezuela, even at the cost of crossing the 153 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: Darien Gap to walk all the way to Texas. There's 154 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: a reason, and this is the difference. You've heard Democrats 155 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: talk about Trump's wall as being like the Berlin Wall. 156 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: He's a fascist, he's a communist. No excuse me, No, 157 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: Trump's wall is intended to keep people who aren't supposed 158 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: to be here out. The Berlin Wall was intended to 159 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 3: keep people who were supposed to be there in. The 160 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: Berlin Wall was a prison. This is a fence around 161 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: your front yard. And the difference is start you don't 162 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: have to keep people in a place that is doing well. 163 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: And that's why California and New York and Illinois are 164 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: losing population like to states like Texas and Tennessee and Florida, 165 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: and they're just gonna see that increase like crazy over 166 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: the next few years. So, you know, people vote with 167 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: their feet, and that's exactly what we're seeing. 168 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: In just giving you a final word, what opportunities do 169 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: Republicans and the Trump administrative Trump administration have in twenty 170 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: twenty six to assolve the affordability crisis that gen z 171 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: are experiencing right now? 172 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 3: You know, it's mostly just a matter of continuing the 173 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: policies that we have put in place. In by the way, 174 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: just ten months Trump has only been back in the 175 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: White House very briefly, and already tremendous change and tremendous 176 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: progress has been made. So again, get rid memorial legal aliens, 177 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: you bring down the cost of housing, Increase investment into 178 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: the manufacturing and tech sectors. We will increase the number 179 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: of jobs, we will increase the quality of those jobs, 180 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 3: we will increase the salaries attached to those jobs, and 181 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: we will see an economic boom June July of next 182 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: year that just continues out to the horizon as it 183 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: did in the eighties. 184 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm with you, and I'm here for it. I 185 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: hope to see it happen, and I believe it will. 186 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. 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It's great to see you. 220 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: To see man honatively with you. Thanks for the opportunity. 221 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Well, I really appreciate brother, the writings that you're doing, 222 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: your substack articles writing over at Standing for Freedom Center 223 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: as well and oftentimes discussing more controversial topics. I think 224 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: than maybe the evangelical world is comfortable with, but certainly is. 225 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: It is all based on the truth and it is 226 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: done in love. And you wrote an article just recently 227 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: talking about some of the issues that we're having with 228 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: immigration and the communities that have been created over say 229 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the past ten, fifteen, twenty years, Islamic communities. I'm thinking 230 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: of places in Dearborn, Michigan, even New York City, even 231 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: Saint Paul, Minneapolis, the Twin Cities. There are places across 232 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: the United States today where Sharia councils are being set up. 233 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: Another way of saying Sharia courts, that that people are 234 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: invoking more and more of the name of Allah. They 235 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: are Muslim calls to prayer that can be heard at 236 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: city council meetings. You're even hearing pro hamas talking points 237 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: given from very large democratic platforms. Something is happening in 238 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: America shifting around, and I think the more recent shooting 239 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: in d C kind of called attention to this. You 240 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: wrote about this recently regarding Elon and Omar and the 241 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: Somalian community. Tell us a little bit about this piece. 242 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, it really kind of highlighted what has been an 243 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 6: issue and it's. 244 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: Challenge for quite some time. 245 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 6: Uh Trump's presidency and his focus on immigration has definitely 246 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 6: caused us to do what's right and just at the border. 247 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 6: But what it's also done to Ryan is it's exposed 248 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 6: a lot of these en plays, these these communities within 249 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 6: communities that don't at all reflect or represent American ideals, 250 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 6: that have no real connection to America as a country, 251 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 6: as a nation, you know, the things that we hold dear. 252 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 6: This was brought up really most recently in Trump's conversation 253 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: or really interview uh where where the media had gotten 254 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 6: a chance to ask him questions. 255 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 4: Uh, in the in the in the office with the with. 256 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 6: The cabinet, and he mentioned Illehan and Omar and her 257 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 6: constant complaints. He mentioned the Somali community, and and recently 258 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 6: what was found out was that there's a massive fraud, 259 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 6: a situation that that's taken place there in Minnesota, Minneapolis 260 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 6: in particular, where hundreds of thousands of Muslims, tens of thousands, 261 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 6: close to one hundred thousand Muslims have been have been 262 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 6: brought in folks from Somali under the guise of you know, 263 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 6: family reconnection, family reunification. And what they're finding is up 264 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 6: to eighty percent of those are not DNA are not 265 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 6: foundly they've done DNA testing and recognizing these folks are 266 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 6: not family at all. The larger issue really is the 267 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 6: fact that our country has not only been invented at 268 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 6: the border, but that even those we've been letting under 269 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 6: what we thought of. 270 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 4: Our wise pretenses, are not Americans. 271 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 6: They they've doctored American culture, and we've got we've got 272 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 6: to recognize that, come to terms with that, and deal 273 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 6: with it. 274 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: You know, it is fascinating to me. You and I 275 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: co authored something over at the Freedom Center regarding the 276 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: crisis right now in immigration and for the law longest 277 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: time in American history, you know, all the way up 278 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: really until the nineteen sixties, you know, immigration was merit based, 279 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: largely sensible reasonable. We were immigrating from like nations that 280 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: had a cultural cohesion with the West, and many of 281 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: them were oriented either towards Protestantism or Catholicism. But when 282 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: they were coming over, we didn't have this chain migration, 283 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, based on family ties. It had to do 284 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: with merit. It had to do with whether this person 285 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: was bringing something to the United States. It would be 286 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: a net positive this you know, this individual if they 287 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: were going to be a medical professional, you know, and 288 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: come up with some life saving patent or whether this 289 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: person was going to go work as an engineer in 290 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley or NASA. And it's kind of interesting, even 291 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: with the H one B controversies that we're seeing even 292 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: right now, the number of college graduates from universities in 293 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: the interior of India, let's say, and these don't present 294 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: a threat in terms of national security. These are not 295 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Islamic ideologists that are trying to foament hatred or division. 296 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: But these are just H one B, a lottery recipients 297 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: who are coming to the United States. And we're told 298 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: that the whole purpose of H one B is that 299 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: these are highly skilled, unique almost PhD level brain power. 300 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: But the truth and the reality is far different than that. 301 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: We're importing people that could scarcely perform high functioning jobs. 302 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: We're importing people that have all kinds of ideologies that 303 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: are not compatible with the Americans system, the American form 304 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: of governance. They don't have to be Christian, but they 305 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: certainly do need to adhere to the values, the morals 306 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: and in our system and framing of government. And it 307 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: seems like that has all been thrown out. What are 308 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: your thoughts? 309 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's really transpired over the course of the last 310 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 6: thirty thirty years or so, this idea that regardless of 311 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 6: your condition, regardless of the environment from which you came, 312 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 6: regardless of whether or not you have anything to offer 313 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 6: the United States, you have a freedom and the Americans 314 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 6: have an obligation to embrace you, to embrace your culture, 315 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 6: to keep that culture similar rather than blending into the 316 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 6: family that we have, the civic family that we have. 317 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 4: Known as America. 318 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 6: I think there's a reckoning that's taken place Ryan, and 319 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 6: that reckoning is that there's an important aspect of a 320 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 6: clear national expectation that we as Americans must must kind 321 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 6: of lay out. 322 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 4: And that begins with the fact that if. 323 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 6: You're here in America, you become a part of our 324 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 6: American family. 325 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 4: You learn the language, you honor its laws. We're a 326 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: nation that that respects others. But it's it's the respect 327 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 4: that you give us that's important. When you're coming to 328 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: our country. 329 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 6: If you brought our system, you lose any opportunity to 330 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 6: be a part of our of our of our country 331 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 6: and as a part as as the fact that you 332 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 6: left a country and in order to come to ours 333 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 6: is indicative of the fact that you left something that 334 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 6: needs to be left behind. Uh, there was, there were 335 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 6: corrupt governments, corrupt systems, and for you to come transplant 336 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 6: here and then and poor everything about America says to me, 337 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 6: And that's kind of what I laid out in the Peace. 338 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 6: It says to me that you don't belong here and 339 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 6: that you actually need to be sent back home. 340 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: That's right, And I want to be very very clear. 341 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: You're a pastor, we understand the purpose of the Great 342 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: Commission is to go into all nations, baptizing them in 343 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: the name of the Father, Son of the Holy Spirit, 344 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: teaching them to obey everything that Christ commands. We are 345 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: to be sent out into the nations. We are for 346 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: the nations. And yet, as a pastor, we have to 347 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: recognize that in Acts chapter seventeen, it's very clearly laid 348 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: out that God is appointed a time for nations. He's 349 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: even appointed their borders and boundaries. That God is sovereign 350 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: over the rise and fall the various nations, whether it 351 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: be the Roman Empire, the Attila, the hun you know, 352 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: the Japanese Empire, or even the United States of America, 353 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: and every nation matters to God in the ultimate sense. 354 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: What you're suggesting is very common sense. It's very sensible. 355 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: This is not xenophobic. And I think oftentimes the left 356 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: once to cudgel people into silence by suggesting that any 357 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of criticism towards these open border policies is racist. 358 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 4: That's that's a that's a big part of the problem. 359 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 6: And I address that in the piece that the church 360 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 6: has been complicit in either silence, acquiescence, or the promotion 361 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 6: of these leftist ideas that everyone deserves and has the 362 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 6: right to come to the United States. And so as 363 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 6: a result, there there's a whole generation of young people. Now, Ryan, 364 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 6: you're not very aware of this, that these folks who 365 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 6: not only are rejecting that idea, but but are promoting 366 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 6: hatred right that and and ideas that that are that 367 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 6: are really anti immigrant. 368 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 4: And that's not where we are. 369 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 6: We have no problem with legal immigration, but there needs 370 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 6: to be a standard. There needs to be a way 371 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 6: in which we do that, a way that honors uh 372 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: the traditions, the Christian traditions of our country, UH and 373 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 6: and really looks to preserve that culture as it allows 374 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 6: others to come and participate in the benefit. 375 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 4: Is there up. 376 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right We'll leave it there, Virgil Walker. 377 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: No one could say it better this morning. 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She is a best 410 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: selling author and CEO of faith based fashion brand Pretty 411 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Little Patriot. She's also a conservative commentator and thinker. Her 412 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: work is widely recognized by the left, who coined the 413 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: name Patriot. Barbie Lenzi, Welcome to Sunday The Road Forward 414 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: is so great to see you. 415 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 7: Nice to see you too, Ryan, Thanks for having me well. 416 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: I'm honored. I appreciate the work you're doing. You were 417 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: in the Lone Star state, my home state. We are 418 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: seeing some pretty hopeful signs in America. Christianity is making 419 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: a comeback. We are seeing growth in the download of 420 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: Bible apps the cell, the selling actually of Bibles has 421 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: gone up. Church attendance has gone up, baptisms have gone up. 422 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: Faith making a comeback. Not everywhere in America, but certainly 423 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: in large pockets in America. Faith is going mainstream. I 424 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: welcome this. I was obviously just like you were, and 425 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: everyone shocked, saddened by the sudden, tragic loss of Charlie Kirk, 426 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: assassinated by a transgender activist on September the tenth, and 427 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: we saw real revival in the wake of that event. 428 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: Many many people across the country went back to church 429 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time. Others entered 430 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: church for the first time like ever. I think gen 431 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: Z thirty four percent of gen Z had never been 432 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: to a church service anywhere in the United States. Hard 433 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: to imagine, but it looks like faith is slowly making 434 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: a comeback. I wanted to see what your thoughts were, 435 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: what you were seeing in all of this. 436 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 7: Yes, well, I think that the assassination was a very big, 437 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 7: you know, turning point trigger for a lot of people. 438 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 7: They had to stop and look at who Charlie was 439 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 7: and sort of taking out his little soundbites out of 440 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 7: context what did he actually preach? You know, he was 441 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 7: this face of turning point, but what did he really say? 442 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 7: What he said was the ministry, the gospel. And a 443 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 7: lot of people stopped. I mean, we saw his following 444 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 7: go from what was it two million to like twenty million. 445 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 7: It's crazy they went. Some people said, I didn't even 446 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 7: know who Charlie Kirk was, and I'm like, how did 447 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 7: you not know who Charlie Kirk was? He was he 448 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 7: was like paving the way. Well then they all went 449 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 7: and researched who he was and realized it wasn't really 450 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 7: necessarily always politics with him. It was Jesus Christ. That's 451 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 7: where his morality came from. That's what he talked about. 452 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 7: But I think there is also a huge credit to 453 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 7: be given God forbid to social media, because listen, where 454 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 7: did we used to get the gospel from your pastor 455 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 7: in the church pew on Sunday and or on Wednesday 456 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 7: and if you had Christian friends, that was it, that 457 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 7: was the gospel. Now you have Christian influencers, a lot 458 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 7: of them, and not even necessarily Christian influencers, but influencers 459 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 7: in general that are starting to hear the gospel themselves. 460 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 7: And starting to seek it out, and then they go 461 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 7: share that with their audience. And that is the most 462 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 7: authentic ministry that you can have because they're not preaching, 463 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 7: they're not pastors, they're not coming from a context of 464 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 7: a Bible and the law. They're saying, I'm looking at 465 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 7: a relationship with Jesus and this is what I've been 466 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 7: doing on my social media. This is what it looks 467 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 7: like to have a relationship. And it's so raw, and 468 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 7: it's so authentic, and it's so uncondemning that people who 469 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 7: normally wouldn't want to go to church or would feel 470 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 7: condemned or judged in church are saying, well, I can 471 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 7: get the gospel if I follow this person. And then 472 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 7: that's that little seed that God tells us to plan. 473 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 7: We're not the one that maybe will bring them to 474 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 7: the Lord and call them and pray with them and 475 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 7: lead them to Jesus, but we plant that seed. And 476 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 7: then once that seed is planted, they say, you know what, 477 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 7: I think I will maybe I'll try to go to church, 478 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 7: maybe I'll try to hear more about this. And so 479 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 7: as much as we kind of don't like social media 480 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 7: for some reasons, I feel like it's playing a really 481 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 7: big role in leading people into an authentic relationship with Jesus. 482 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree. I think just like when the Internet, 483 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, came about in the nineteen nineties, you know, 484 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: obviously pornography immediately was trafficking and internet, but also, like 485 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, there were tons of apologetic resources that were 486 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: made available that people were getting, libraries of information that 487 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: they were not exposed to. Ever, social media can kind 488 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: of do the same thing. Some of the greatest Christian 489 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: pologists of our lifetime are all on social media and 490 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: they have millions of followers. 491 00:30:59,800 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: You know. 492 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: I think of people like doctor Frank Turk, I think 493 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: about Cliff Kinneckley, Wesley Huff, Gosh, Bryce Crawford, there are 494 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: many others, and they're using their platform to get the 495 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: gospel out there. Joe Rogan more recently, we were having 496 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: a conversation about this, but like you know, he has 497 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: over twenty million subscribers I think on Spotify, and even 498 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: he I mean, I'm not saying Joe Rogan is a 499 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: Christian apologist. I know he's a seeker. Hit the very 500 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: least is expressed that he really takes Christianity seriously, Like 501 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: he's reading the Bible, he's attending church services somewhere, but 502 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: he's relaying to his audience that he doesn't think this 503 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: is a myth at all. There's real power in Jesus' name. 504 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: There's real power to the Christian faith that it can 505 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: actually transform and change people's lives for the better. And 506 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: to your point, also, this is not a dead religion. 507 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: This is not a religion of dry bones. This is 508 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: not a religion of relics and a bunch of old 509 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: people wearing robes and carrying around parchments. This is a 510 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: living faith, a real personal faith with a living savior, 511 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: and his name is Jesus Christ. And you can have 512 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: relationship when you have forgiveness, you can have peace, you 513 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: kind of restoration, you can have rescue from those things 514 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: that keep people in bondage. It's real. 515 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 7: And think about what it looks like. Okay, it's hard 516 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 7: to imagine us being non believers and what our lives 517 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 7: look like if we had never been believers. So I 518 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 7: was raised in the church. I'm sure you were too. 519 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 7: There's never been a point in my life where I 520 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 7: didn't believe that God was real. Maybe I wasn't walking 521 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 7: closely with him, but I always knew he existed. I 522 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 7: don't know what it looks like for someone to have 523 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 7: never been introduced or to never even explore it, but 524 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 7: the vulnerability that it takes when you take that first 525 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 7: step and you say, you go to church and you 526 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 7: want to learn, and now you're on that journey with Jesus, 527 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,959 Speaker 7: and that journey does not happen overnight. You don't give 528 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 7: your life to the Lord, and then you quit drinking 529 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 7: and you quit cussing, and you start following all the 530 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 7: rules you know, and the law that some people think 531 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 7: Christianity is, it's not like that. I've actually had people 532 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 7: tell me while I'm ministering to them, but I don't 533 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 7: want to give up my sin, like they know it's 534 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 7: a sin, and they're like, I know that as soon 535 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 7: as I follow Jesus, he's going to ask me and 536 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 7: my response is not necessary to that. But what does 537 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 7: it look like if you don't know that God is real, 538 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 7: and you don't necessarily believe that God is real and 539 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 7: you've never really even thought to look at it. But 540 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 7: here you are watching Joe Rogan and he's on that journey, 541 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 7: and you are not hearing someone say to you God 542 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 7: is real and here is my testimony and here's what 543 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 7: God did for me. And they're like, cool, now I'll 544 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 7: start my journey. They are on that journey with Joe Rogan. 545 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 7: They're like living it with him every day. There's no 546 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 7: vulnerability in that. They just get to kind of stay 547 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 7: in their home and their safe place listen to Joe 548 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 7: say well, I kind of looked at this first, and 549 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 7: this is what I think about it, and maybe this 550 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 7: is real. And they're like, well, maybe it is. And 551 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 7: they get to live out that journey with someone along 552 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 7: the way. That's a very think about how rare that 553 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 7: might be that you would approach a friend and go, hey, 554 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 7: I'm thinking about looking at this Jesus thing. And they're like, 555 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 7: you know what, I've been thinking about it too. Let's 556 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 7: look at it together. 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Amy 598 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: is the host of the Amy Robbins podcast and a 599 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: regular cultural and political commentator. Amy, Welcome to Sunday The 600 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: Road Forward. It is great to see you here. 601 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 8: Rian, It's always great to be with you. 602 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: I I've noticed there's a lot of controversy this week. 603 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: I know you can't help, but notice this that this 604 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: has kind of hit a fever pitch. For weeks on end, 605 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: Candace Owens has gone on her podcast daily almost talking 606 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: about Charlie's murder, his assassination. We all have questions, we 607 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: all have suspicions, we all have an interest in getting 608 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: to the bottom of what this is. However, Candace has 609 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: has trumped up all kinds of stories about bad actors 610 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: within Turning Point itself, accusing various members, accusing pastors in 611 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel, including Frank Turak, and you know, accusing Macron 612 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: and the French government. It's it's kind of crazy to 613 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: follow all of this. I don't think that every conspiracy 614 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: is wrong. I just want to say this from the 615 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: from the beginning, Amy, I know you and I we 616 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: watched what happened during COVID, We saw BLM, we saw 617 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: J six. We knew that the public popular narratives being 618 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: promoted by the media were largely untrue. And that's everything 619 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: from masks to vaccines to BLM was not some kind 620 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: of an operation funded by the Ford Foundation to promote Marxism. No, no, no, 621 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: this is about social justice for black Americans. We know 622 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: that we were lied to for years. However, that doesn't 623 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: make every conspiracy theory automatically true. And here we are 624 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: in this moment and even people like Erica Kirk have 625 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: been insinuated as being a part of some dastardly plot 626 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: to kill Charlie Kirk, and I just think that's crazy. 627 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 8: Look, I want to kind of second what you said 628 00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 8: that there's importance in asking questions. I mean, look at 629 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 8: the history of our government. They don't have the greatest 630 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 8: track record of being something that the people can just 631 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 8: completely blindly trust anymore. That has kind of gone out 632 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 8: the window, especially in this day and age with social media, 633 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 8: where every single one of us kind of had access 634 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 8: to that horrific event that happened to Charlie. We saw it, 635 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 8: and you had people that you know. I don't fault 636 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 8: people for asking questions. I think it's important to ask questions. 637 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 8: But what I think we have to be really careful of, 638 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 8: especially when it comes to people like Candie Owan's who 639 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 8: is blatantly throwing out accusations without irrefutable evidence. That is 640 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 8: where we start to come to the problem. And she 641 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 8: up into this point, she keeps saying I have the evidence. 642 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 8: I have the evidence, but she's presented no evidence. And 643 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 8: to me, the Bible is very clear about the importance 644 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 8: of choosing our words wisely. And I think in a 645 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 8: situation like this where you you know, when you have 646 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 8: to pause every so many minutes to read a sponsored 647 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 8: ad in the middle of your story, you know, to me, 648 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 8: it comes off very clickbaity. It comes off you know, 649 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 8: she's making millions of dollars off of dragging people along, 650 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 8: but she's dragging people's name through the mud while she's 651 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 8: doing it without actually presenting evidence. And you know, people 652 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 8: have to remember that Canvas is not the judicial system, 653 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 8: Canvas is not the one that she's not an investigator 654 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 8: at this point. This is still an ongoing investigation. And 655 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 8: while I think it's good that she's asking questions, the 656 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 8: way she asks questions implements people in such a way 657 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 8: that people start to believe, without evidence that certain people 658 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 8: are involved in this. And I think that is where 659 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 8: it's really scary. It's it's really sad because now those 660 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,439 Speaker 8: people get a target on their backs as well. And 661 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 8: you know, and she'd better start producing something very quickly 662 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 8: that backs up these claims and these accusations that she's making, 663 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 8: especially against people within Turning Point, the very organization that 664 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk gave his life for, spent his life building 665 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 8: and gave his life for and you know, I just 666 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 8: think it is it's we need to all pay attention 667 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 8: to the words that we speak a little bit more carefully, 668 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 8: and you know, just not go out there and question 669 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 8: make accusations based on questions when we don't have the 670 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 8: evidence yet and ready to present and all put together 671 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 8: in one big case. The guy's going to get his 672 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 8: day in court, and we hope that all the correct 673 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 8: evidence is presented at that point. And if there are 674 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 8: some holes in that story that I think we do 675 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 8: need to get answers to that, but we don't have 676 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 8: all those answers at this point. And so I think 677 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 8: what's happening is really dangerous, and it's dangerous to the 678 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 8: people that are being implicated in all of this as well. 679 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely never mind the fact that there there really is 680 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: a shooter that has been caught and rather than putting 681 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: the focus and the attention where it should be, a 682 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, transgender activist committing this heinous crime. Potentially others 683 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: that are involved in this, sure, but there needs to 684 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: be a trial. What they're needs not to be is 685 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: a mistrial, a miscarriage of justice. And so you know, 686 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: there can be this element of such interference happening at 687 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: such levels that it even gives a defense attorney the 688 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: ability to go to the judge and say, there has 689 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: been so much undue influence outside on this trial. You know, 690 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: we can't possibly try this case properly. You know, you know, 691 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to petition the court to you know, a 692 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: judge's ruling to issue a mistrial or something like that, 693 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: something ridiculous. That's where we have to be so careful. 694 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: There is a reason why justice is slow. There's a 695 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: reason why it takes a long, a long period of 696 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: time for all this information to get out there. I 697 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: think that one of the things I was happy to 698 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: see is in the aftermath of j six, after months 699 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: and months and months and even a year year and 700 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: a half went by, we had mounting evidence to prove 701 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: that this is not actually an insurrection. There was some 702 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: dumb things that happened, People did, some dumb stuff people do, 703 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: some people did belong in jail. The vast majority of 704 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 1: people on that day, we're not doing anything actually wrong 705 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: in the way that the media tried to describe it. 706 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: And in this case, I think what we might end 707 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: up finding out about the Utah shooter is that so 708 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: much of the blame falls squarely on this individual. But 709 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: either way, we need to have a trial, we need 710 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: to have transparency, we need to have due process. We 711 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: don't want influencers interfering with that. 712 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 8: Yeah, you make such a great point on all of that, 713 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 8: and you know, I think you're right. It's like this, 714 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 8: there's a reason why he's not going to trial right 715 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 8: this second. And you have to take a lot of 716 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 8: time to put these pieces together because a you don't 717 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 8: want to falsely accuse somebody, and you want to make 718 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 8: sure that you have all the evidence that you can bring. 719 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 8: I mean, it goes on both sides, and so I feel, 720 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 8: I my heart does go out to the people that 721 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 8: have been implicated in all of this. And quite frankly, 722 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 8: I'm not even following it and watching it anymore because 723 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 8: I don't want to give it the clicks. I don't 724 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 8: want to give it the notoriety, the you know, the 725 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 8: I don'tant to validate what she's saying right now, and 726 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 8: you know, I it's just but you can avoid it. 727 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 8: At this point, it's everywhere everybody is talking about it. 728 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 8: And you're you're starting to see spinoffs from other podcasts 729 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 8: that are using her information which isn't even actually information. So, 730 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 8: you know, I just hope that we do get justice 731 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 8: in this case. Everybody wants answers. Everybody wants to see 732 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 8: somebody held accountable for what happened to Charlie. And then 733 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 8: we can't forget in the meantime that we still have 734 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 8: a widow and a family who is still grieving over 735 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 8: the loss of her husband, over the father, and to 736 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 8: be drugged through this, I think it's just really unimaginable 737 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 8: and I don't think it's I don't think it's right 738 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 8: to do. 739 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,959 Speaker 4: That to Erica. 740 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we will leave it there. Amy Robbins really appreciate 741 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: you joining Sunday the Road Forward CEO and founder of 742 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 1: Alexo Athletic. I encourage our viewers to go check you 743 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: guys out. 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