1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, normal, so normal for women, it's weird. 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: I'm Mary Catherrinham and I'm Carol Markowitz. 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 3: Mary Catherine. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: Our transcription service for this podcast has no idea what 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: we're saying in the introduction. Are these people hilariously wrong 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: all the time for some reason that you know? I'm 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: Mary Katherine Ham, I'm Carol Markowitz. It becomes like, I 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: don't even. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 4: Know we got it. 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: We should start a thread on us of the different 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: things it calls us. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really, it's not even close. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 3: So I do enjoy that. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 2: The last one was it had you saying, I'm normally 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: it's so but normal if it takes for women's game weird, 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: and mine was I'm am Mary Kay and I'm Carol Marka. 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: How's it going, America, Catherine? 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: I think you know what if that's the AI, Yeah, 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: I feel okay for a little while. 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 3: Still right, America, Catherine. Though, that's pretty good. 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll take that up. It's the two hundred and 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary. It's perhaps that's what I'll be this year. 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: All right, America, Catherine, let's get into it. 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: The war in Iran continues, except that earlier today, President 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: Trump said that he has ordered the strikes on Iran's 27 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: energy facilities to be postponed for five days now. Shortly 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: after airing this information on Fox News, Trey Yanks, who 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: delivered that information, then tweeted that Iran denied that they 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: were in talks. He said, shortly after our report, Iranian 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 2: state media denied the direct or indirect talks were taking place. 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: US official state talks are happening. Iranian officials say they aren't. Yeah, 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: so I don't know. We'll see what happens with that. 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: But over the weekend, Iran fired two intermediate range ballistic 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: missiles at da Go Garcia, which is a joint US 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: UK military base about four thousand kilometers away in the 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: middle of the Indian Ocean. Now, what was really interesting 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: about that, and you and I had a good time 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: laughing about it over the weekend, was that there were 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: several people who were really surprised that Iran had lied 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 2: about their missile capabilities. 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: Don't you don't say it's true. 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: It turns out Iran is not telling the truth, and 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: this was a shock to some people. Piers Morgan, our 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: old friend Piers Morgan, who now by the way, blocks 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: me on x, which you know understandable. He tweeted, So, 47 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: not only has Iran brazenly lied about its ballistic missile 48 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: range cape of capacity, but this means it can probably 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: hit the UK with them, and if we have zero 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: I repeat zero defense against these missiles. 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: Very worrying. 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Donald Trump has been saying. 53 00:02:59,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 4: That is worries. 54 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: And that's what Marco Rubio was saying in twenty fifteen 55 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: when the first jcpoa Obama deal with Iran was made, 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: and he's making these criticisms like, don't believe them about 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: their missile capabilities, don't give them more capabilities while we're 58 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: at it, don't believe them when they tell you under 59 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: the deal that they're not improving their capabilities. And now 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: we have concrete proof, which, although as Pierre's notes, very worrisome, 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: also shows the need for taking these capabilities out before 62 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: they decide to go nuclear at some point. 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Mike Cernovich, another ex person, tweeted something similar. He said, 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: Israel is far from perfect, but now everyone sees what 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: Iran would do with more advanced weaponry. They're attacking Arab 66 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: conations like a rabid dog. They had missiles that could 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: reach Europe. They lied about everything. I said this to 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: you in our personal text, but maybe it's the Russian. 69 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: To me, I just assume. 70 00:03:58,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: All of these. 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: Regimes are ying. Why would you not. 72 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: I just it's so baffling to me, you know, going 73 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: back to the Iraq War, which is what taints a 74 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: lot of what we're doing today, because people are very 75 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: gun shy understandably to get into a Middle Eastern entanglement. 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: I fully understand. But even back then, Saddam Hussain lied 77 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: about his weaponry. Now he exaggerated it. 78 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: He made me better than it was. 79 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 4: He was still lying. 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: And that's, you know, the crux of this thing where 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: we cannot believe these people. We cannot trust these despots, 82 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: just can't rely on anything that they say. And that's 83 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: the mode of operation that we should have here. 84 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 5: Well. 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: And you can't just hear what you want to hear, 86 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: which was what Obama did far too often. Is they 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: wanted to make this deal, and they wanted to have 88 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: a deal done just for the sake of having a 89 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: deal done. 90 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: And again it also. 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: Blows my mind that there was a there was a revolution, 92 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: an attempted one, and uprising and ran. Yeah, during his 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: first Obama's first term and then the second term, he 94 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I didn't help you guys with that. 95 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna help 96 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: the Malas continue for about ten years to get closer 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: to nuclear and I'm also going to give them a 98 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: bunch of money and that he thought that that was 99 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: going to do good. And they still claim that it 100 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: did good, even though we now see what the capabilities 101 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: are and that that money did not open opportunities for 102 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: the Iranian people's surprise, surprise, and against all of that evidence, 103 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: Ben Rhoades continues to tweet that the JCPOA was the 104 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: way to go, and I just completely disagree. As I 105 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: have said in the past, you cannot gentle parent the 106 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: Middle East and doing it with the maral caam bad idea. 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it reminds me of that like pawn 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: Shop TV show where they're like, you know, we'd like 109 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: a revolution and Obama's like, the best I could do 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: is palettes of cash fear oppressors. 111 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: You know, let me serve that up. 112 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. 113 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: It's mystifying and I do wonder you know, this long 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: range or medium range strike or attempted strike mean that 115 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Iran is sort of flailing. It has seemed to be 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: flailing since day one, going after Arab states solidifying by 117 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: the way Arab state support, overt public support for this 118 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: engagement by the US and Israel, not silent behind. 119 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: The scenes, like Okay, it's fine if you hit them. 120 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: They are talking about it. 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: So they have really solidified that support on our side. 122 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: And this is maybe continued flailing because they are sort 123 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: of trying to see what sticks to the wall, which 124 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: is dangerous and also perhaps a clue that the eight 125 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: thousand strikes we have made have made a difference. 126 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: Right at some point we're going to have to see 127 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: their Iranian people rise up and take over here because 128 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: there is only so much we could do from the air. 129 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: I don't want boots on the ground. 130 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody does. And it's funny Trump keeps 131 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: threatening that because it's a very trumpy thing to do, 132 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: like options are on the table, like we'd like to 133 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: say about him. And you know, it's also interesting because 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: I think his primary pushback in the United States is 135 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: this insane. I can't even call them right wing. I mean, 136 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: on what planet are they right wing anymore? In the 137 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: last few days Tucker Carlson gave an interview to the 138 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: very left wing Economist magazine in the UK and he 139 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: was asked if the US should share power with China, 140 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: and he gave one of his like, of course, of 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: course they should share power, baffled that anyone would oppose 142 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: the US and China being in some sort of power 143 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: sharing relationship because America First now means, you know, being 144 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: on equal footing with China, apparently. And this is the 145 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: biggest kind of pushback that Trump has in the USA 146 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: because the Democrats are basically out of the picture. 147 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: They're hardly talking about this more than just. 148 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: Like this isn't the way I would do it, but 149 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: that's all they're doing. And yeah, so that's Trump's biggest 150 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: political kind of hump here. 151 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: Right, And as you say, in what way is that 152 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: America first? That there's a an authoritarian regime that very 153 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: obviously wants to not be in a partnership with US 154 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: but dominate us, And we're like, yeah, I think I 155 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: think we should do that because we wouldn't want to 156 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: be a hedgemon. That is like Howard Zen's stuff SOCA 157 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: two thousand. 158 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: And four even worse, really, because interested they you know, 159 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: they keep pushing this thing like, oh no, the Ayatola 160 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: said that there was a fatwah on nuclear weapons, Like what, 161 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 2: why are you believing this? 162 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the Iranians also told Al Jazeera this week 163 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: that missile strike was a false flag attack. Of course, 164 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: we had nothing to do with that M M missile 165 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: that came from Iran. So the fatwas and the official 166 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: spokespeople of Iran. Sure, go ahead and believe them with no, 167 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: with no grain of salt. 168 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: Tune into the woke right as they completely eat that 169 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: up and spit it out to their gullible audience, along. 170 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: With the Obama bros. 171 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: By the way, in case you want to see the 172 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: whole shoe and action. 173 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: So that's all the news we have about Iran, but 175 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: we will continue to stay on this because it's obviously 176 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: the biggest story around. I don't know, I don't know 177 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: how much longer this lasts or if these talks are real. 178 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: We're gonna probably have a better picture by our Thursday episode. 179 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and be right 180 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: back with more on Normally. 181 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: All right, we are back on Normally with a story 182 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: out of Cuba, and it is of Western influencers and 183 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: political activists traveling to offer aid and comfort to comies, 184 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: not to the normal people of Cuba who have been 185 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: under the thumb of the commies for all these years. No, no, no, 186 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: They claim to be offering aid and support in light 187 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: of the US embargo, because of course it's the US 188 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: that's the problem in Cuba, and they're showing up with course, 189 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: with regime approval. They are staying in nice hotels. Medea Benjamin, 190 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: head of Code, filmed herself in a first class seat 191 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: talking about how she was going to Cuba, and I thought, 192 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: aren't you supposed to be an economy isn't in your world? 193 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: Isn't there only economy seating? But just like most socialists 194 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: of notes, she ends up getting the good stuff while 195 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,479 Speaker 1: everybody else gets stuck in the back. Membership had this privileges, 196 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: and now they were down in Cuba saving the day. 197 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 4: I suppose, right, Carol, apparently. 198 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: I mean I've heard that they've done some really amazing 199 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: humanitarian work. 200 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: Was there a mural involved. 201 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: Yes, we have some tape of some gold Bink folks 202 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: painting a mural for the people of Havana, which should 203 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: fix the grid problems. 204 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: In no time. 205 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 5: I am helping to leave a gift and vision of 206 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 5: money that is a mural more humanity, and it's going 207 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 5: to have little boats with notes in it and the 208 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 5: bird on the other side. 209 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: And see like from a poemates, Oh my god, the 210 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: kas that they're wearing. These are the biggest clowns in 211 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: the world. And they like that these people in Cuba 212 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: are suffering under communism. They like that they're continuing to 213 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: put up a fight and say, you know, an ideology 214 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: that's been dead essentially for like thirty years, the Cubans 215 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: still continue to live under and these people go there 216 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: and act like just poverty tourists. Look at how terrible 217 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: their lives are, but at least they have really high 218 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: literacy rate. And it's just it's pathetic and sad that 219 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: they don't want the Cuban people to have a better 220 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: life because it fits in with their ideology, which is 221 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: hating America and wanting America to fail. And so if 222 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: America has this example of a communist country at their doorstep, 223 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: you know, quote unquote succeeding, I would say, just surviving 224 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: and barely, then that's all they really want to see. 225 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Can we talk about artist solidarity for a second, because 226 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: these are all these artists who are traveling down, including 227 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Hassan Piker, who hosts all of the twenty twenty eight 228 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: hopefuls for the Democratic Party podcaster streamer. These are all, 229 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: like you know, free speech beneficiaries and art, free art 230 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: beneficiaries who travel down there to visit a regime that 231 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: is right now and this is just one of hundreds 232 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: and thousands of political prisoners, but right now imprisoning for 233 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: nine years a reggaetone artist who had the crime of 234 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: recording a uprising anthem called Patria avida, which is a 235 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: reversal of the regime's slogan, which is homeland or death. 236 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: This is home and life. 237 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: And he has been in jail for several years now, 238 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: probably not humanly, and he's a political prisoner for his 239 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: beliefs and for his art. I get to an artist, 240 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: and I believe there's one more who recorded it with him. 241 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: They get no mention by any of these folks, the 242 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: artists who travel down to make murals. 243 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just ridiculous. 244 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, But has the guy in prison heard about the 245 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: literacy rate, because maybe that would change his perspective A 246 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: little I. 247 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: Was listening to a Cuban American talk about this, and 248 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: she was like, people train to swim from Cuba, not 249 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: just to Florida, but to get Mo. They want to 250 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 1: get to the land of get Mo, which is the 251 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: land of promise compared to Cuba, and like, in that situation, no, no, 252 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: you idiots, you useful idiots. This is not the land 253 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: that you have romanticized with its fifties cars, which by 254 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: the way, exists because they've existed in the fifties since 255 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven. 256 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, not to be cool, it's because it's all they have. Yeah, yeah, 257 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: you know, we finally finished Miracle on Ice. I know 258 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: it takes us forever to watch a movie as a family. 259 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: We watch it like half an hour at a time. 260 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: What an ending, really, But the movie they mentioned the 261 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: Berlin Wall, which got us talking with the kids about 262 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: what that was and when it came down and all 263 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: of that, and making the very obvious point that all 264 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 2: the defections were only going in one direction. There were 265 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: no defections going the opposite way. I mean, look, there 266 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: were people who went to the Soviet Union and regretted 267 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: it very much during that whole period, but the open 268 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: defections were never going to be like the US hockey 269 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: players like I have to stay here. 270 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: It's just never and there's a real good reason for that. 271 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 3: So I think in the same way. 272 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: That I didn't think it was worth for Ron de 273 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: Santis to debate Gavin Newsom because the debate had already 274 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: happened in real life in Florida one, I think in 275 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: the exact same way. Capitalism one, freedom, one democracy one. 276 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: It's the argument has been over for such a long time. 277 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: These people are just hanging on to something that doesn't 278 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: exist anymore. 279 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to me, unfortunately, you have to keep 280 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: debating it to some extent because younger people are just 281 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: like that sounds neat, and it's like, look, Westerners, I 282 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: encourage you. If you want to join La revolution, it's 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: happening ninety miles south of here, and you can have 284 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: no streaming and no posting to Instagram because and you 285 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: can have rationed food and rationed healthcare and all those things. 286 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: You can experience those in real life by just going 287 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: ninety miles. And yet they still live here. 288 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: Yep. 289 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody comes in this direction. Yeah, yeah, it's 290 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: you're not going to convince lifelong communists, but I guess 291 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: it's worth convincing the younger generations that freestyle is not 292 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: ever actually free. 293 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: It really isn't. 294 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: We're going to take a sharp break and be right 295 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: back with more on normally. 296 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: All right, we are back on normally with some talk 297 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: about people who are not normal and about whom I 298 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: feel like I know far too much at this point, 299 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: and that polyamorists, the polyamorists are at it again, Carol. 300 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: Which it's like vegetarian CrossFit polyamorous, Like you're going to 301 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: find out in the first five minutes for sure. 302 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: And what we have now is a new memoir called 303 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: Adult Braces by a woman named Lindy West, who formerly 304 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: had gotten some fame with another memoir that was became 305 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: a TV show at one point. And this is about 306 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: how she was in a marriage the man named Aham, 307 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: who then decided he didn't want to be in a 308 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: monogamous relationship anymore, and so he convinced her that they 309 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: should be polyamorous, and that he should have a girlfriend, 310 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: and that not only that she should live in the 311 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: guest room sometimes so that he could be with the girlfriend. 312 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: And this is all presented by her as a uplifting experience, 313 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: but to reviewers and most readers, it seems it is 314 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: presented in a way that makes them go ooh girl. 315 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: Right, That's the thing is that this is a book 316 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: about how happy she is to be in a polyamorous relationship. 317 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: And I don't think the guest room is sometimes, but 318 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 2: I could be wrong on that. From what depression I 319 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 2: got was the girlfriend now lives in the bedroom and she, 320 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 2: Lindy West, is in the guest room. But it's okay 321 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: because they like tuck her in at night and like 322 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: her like a baby, and she loves that. But it 323 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: is the thing is that everybody who reads this book, 324 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: and I admittedly have not, but I read all the 325 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: discourse around it, just does not believe her. And that's 326 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: a real problem for a memoir if you're writing a 327 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: memoir and people are saying, I don't buy any of this. 328 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: They just don't trust your own version of your life. 329 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: And I'm sure it's, you know, annoying to her, because 330 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: apparently she is very annoyed. But there's something to that 331 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: and she should really maybe think about that. 332 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: Well. There was another memoir of polyamorism, recently called It 333 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: was Molly rodin Winter was the writer was more and she. 334 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 2: Was in. 335 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 4: It had the same vibe. 336 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: And the vibe is that in every story of polyamory, 337 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: which is they attempt to mainstream constantly, is which the 338 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: elite media in general, every time there's a person involved 339 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: who is long suffering, long struggling, who has been admonished 340 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: that they should get into this, that if they don't, 341 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: that they're thinking is backwards and dare I say conservative, 342 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: because they want one partner right, and they wrestle with 343 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: their own issues with this and their insecurities, and you 344 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: have constant back and forth and check ins with your 345 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: partner about what the boundaries are, and the boundaries just 346 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: old fashioned the boundaries that you should be with one 347 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: person and that would make them happier, but they overcome 348 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: their own issues with it to acquiesce to their partner's desires, 349 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: and it looks like just long term emotional abuse to me. 350 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 351 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the feeling I get for most polyamorous stories. 352 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: But what I would say about Lindy is that it 353 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: even goes beyond that. So in the Atlantic, a writer 354 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: named Helen Lewis reviewed the book and just all the 355 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: stuff around Lindy West, this is the part that really 356 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: caught my attention, She writes, even her relationship wasn't all 357 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: that it seemed. In her twenty nineteen essay collection The 358 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: Witches Are Coming, she had written that she and Ulu 359 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: that's her husband's last name, her quote unquote best friend, 360 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: and a quote unquote once in a generation musical talent 361 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: had a dawn ritual where they lay in bed talking 362 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: for hours. And as I'm reading this, I'm like, that's 363 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: very nice. That's my husband and I don't have a 364 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: dawn ritual where we lay in bed talking for hours. 365 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: So Lewis goes on in adult Races, Lindy adds that 366 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: what I admitted is that we only developed that ritual 367 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: to mitigate a toxic pattern we'd been stuck in for years. 368 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: I'd wake up anxious, I'd bobmit my anxiety on Aham. 369 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: He'd snap at me for triggering his anxiety. I'd feel 370 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: alone and unsupported. I'd stare at him with tears in 371 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: my eyes until he had a panic attack. He'd zone 372 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: out for the rest of the day and not listen 373 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: to a word I said, Like, ma'am, that is very, 374 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: very different than the dawn ritual of laying in bed 375 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: talking for hours like one is just clearly a lie. Yes, 376 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: that's what you do, but the conversation is brutal and horrible. 377 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: Yes, And by the way, the idea of going back 378 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: and forth about this terribleness over and over again is 379 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: just like, like, maybe you're not dealing with the root 380 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: of the problem, which is that there are several people 381 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: in this relationship and at least one of you guys 382 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: probably doesn't really want to be there. 383 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: I recommend that Hylen Lewis article, by the way, even 384 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: if you're not at all interested in this Lindy West story, 385 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: because it is also about and she titles it the 386 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: death of millennial feminism. I'd say it's not specifically millennial feminism. 387 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: That died here. It's really wokeness, woke culture. 388 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 2: And Lewis does a really good job of writing out 389 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: what was so annoying about it and why couldn't survive 390 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: and why it pushed people like her away. 391 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Tyler Harper Austin, who also writes for The Atlantic, had 392 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: a piece on this and we spoke just now about 393 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the horseshoe theory on Iran, and he touches on something 394 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: that kind of amuses me about these polyamorous which is 395 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: that they end up making their own sexual relationships this 396 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: political project. He writes that West's devotion to Aham also 397 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: made me think of a different sort of wife, one 398 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: whom West herself would most likely object to, being compared 399 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: to the right wing tradwife who treats her husband as 400 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: if he was a god and says they to submit 401 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: to him. Indeed, in many ways, West's performatively anti white, unpatriotic, 402 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: and cosmopolitan version of polyamory is the blue state mirror 403 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: image of tradwiffery, which, in its various forms blah blah blah, 404 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: he says, such a you know, yeah, both romantic trends 405 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: have adherents who spin their retreat from status quo romance 406 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: as a kind of liberation from modern expectations, and who 407 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: position their marital arrangement as the logical extension of a 408 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: deeper political project. 409 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: So we have this horseshoe that's going on. 410 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: Here too, And in both it's like you're creating a 411 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: product and sort of telling everyone how great it is 412 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: when the lived experience of it looks very different to everyone, 413 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: even from your explaining of it. 414 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 3: Yeah. 415 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 2: And that's also why I think it's so hard for 416 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 2: people to believe that marriage and children is a fulfilling, happy, 417 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: you know path in life. 418 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: Like all these young people don't believe it. 419 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: And I think partly it's because they get lied to 420 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 2: in these memoirs and they could tell and they're like, 421 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 2: everything is a lie and that you know, we talked 422 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: about that a lot on here too. How when a 423 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: lot of things are a lie, people stop believing everything. 424 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: The cut by the way, I ran a piece too. 425 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: It was like, can could opening your marriage lighten your 426 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: mental load? 427 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 4: Answer? No, no, it will not. 428 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: Like you'd rather just do more laundry than do that, 429 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: I promise you. 430 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 431 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: And indeed in that piece, at the end you find 432 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: out this in this case, it's a woman who wanted 433 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: to in her marriage, and you find out at the 434 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: end that there was a man who she talked into it, 435 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: who was like confesses eventually to not feeling very comfortable 436 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: with it. It's like, yeah, don't do that to your partner. 437 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it should be an easy call. 438 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: Don't get talked into having a side person in your relationship. 439 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 2: But you know what, do we know we were just 440 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: going by thousands of years of history, Like. 441 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted, I wish I could reference it specifically, but 442 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: tweeted that, like there's been a ten year project on 443 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: polyamory to convince you that being normal and married and 444 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: raising some kids would not make you happy, when in fact, 445 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: it'll probably make you happy. 446 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 4: Like I can just do that. 447 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: There's like a lot of evidence throughout history that it 448 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: does make you happy. This new thing, though there's no 449 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: evidence yet that it makes anybody happy. And you know, 450 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: the show Arrested Development had this great part where this 451 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: couple was talking about opening their marriage and he says, 452 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: you know, something like, oh, you know a lot of 453 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: people do it, and the wife says, does it work 454 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 2: for them? And he says no, but we could be 455 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: the first. 456 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 3: Good luck. Yeah, good luck with that. 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