1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer, and today, before I get to him, though, 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: I have a really special trend. Close friend of mine 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: used to be a training partner of mine and this 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: guy is like reinvented himself over and over and over 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: and over what the great ones do. Before I get 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: to him, I just want to chime and the start 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: here from our sponsor. 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Man, 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: he is one of my favorite dudes. And he's also 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: the man who led the Cleveland Browns out of the 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: tunnel for their first opening game win this year against 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bevegels. 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking that's probably what you're most proud of 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: these days, isn't it. 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 4: I mean, let me tell you, by the way, what 33 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: an introduction? Oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you've 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 4: been doing this for years. 35 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 5: I mean, maybe you can come to WW and just 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 5: introduce me all day every day. 37 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: Let's go. But yes, Like, let me tell you something. 38 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 5: When they called the Cleveland Browns call and say, hey, 39 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 5: would you like to be the dog Pound Captain? And 40 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 5: what you get to do as a dog Pound captain 41 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 5: is you take a guitar. Obviously the Rockerball Hall of 42 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 5: Fame is in Cleveland. You take a guitar with the 43 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 5: opposing team on it, like there at logo like it 44 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 5: was the the Cincinnati Bengals, it said whoda on it, 45 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 5: and you slam it up against an amplifier and smoke 46 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 5: comes out of it and you just break a guitar. 47 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 5: It's like every kid's dream, and so I got to 48 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 5: actually do that for the home opener, and what a 49 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: game it was in the rain. Just the Browns like 50 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 5: people are like, oh, same old Browns. This isn't the 51 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 5: same old Browns. That defense is revamped, revitalized and took 52 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 5: Joe Burrow out. And so it was a fun game 53 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 5: to watch, fun game to be there in person. Whether 54 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 5: it was raining or sunshine, I don't care to see 55 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 5: the Browns and the way they conducted themselves during that 56 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 5: game was unbelievable and. 57 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: Had dominated the Cincinnati Bengals. I love it. 58 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: What was a bit of rush for you? 59 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: Like you headline WrestleMania one, You're right, headline of WrestleMania. 60 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: Were this experience? 61 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 4: Oh? 62 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 5: Come on, I mean anytime you could headline WrestleMania, be 63 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 5: the main event and you go up against John Cena 64 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 5: and you're the WWE Champion and you walk in the 65 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 5: ww Champion and you walk out the WWE Champion. And 66 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 5: by the way, the Rock the biggest movie star in 67 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 5: the world, was involved in that match. I mean, that's 68 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 5: one of the most memorable moments I've ever had. Unfortunately, 69 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 5: I actually don't actually remember it because I got a 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 5: concussion at the end of the match, and so yeah, 71 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 5: it was it was crazy, like my head hit the 72 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 5: cement and I just I kind of like I have 73 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: little like the one moment you always want to remember 74 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 5: for the rest of your life is the one moment. 75 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 5: I have bits and pieces that I remember, but I 76 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 5: don't remember, if that makes any sense at all. 77 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: Of course, Hey, you're talking to the guy who's been 78 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: could cussed quite a bit. Absolutely, yeah, Harry Man. So 79 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: so you could cuss. When do you kind of come 80 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: to and realize what it's just happened? Later on? 81 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 5: No, yeah, so so later on that night, I would say, 82 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 5: I remember going back into the gorilla position, as we 83 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 5: call it, which is right when you go out whenever 84 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 5: we go out into the audience under the ramp, we 85 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 5: leave a place called the gorilla position where all the 86 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: people are telling you, you know, your music goes, and 87 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 5: that's where the entrance to the ramp is and that's 88 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 5: where you. 89 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: Go back into. 90 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: So once I hit the gorilla position, I remember being 91 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 5: in there and I think I was like apologizing profusely 92 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: like I messed everything up because that was concussed I 93 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 5: I don't remember anything, so I imagined I messed the 94 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 5: whole main event of WrestleMania. Luckily I didn't, and it 95 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: came off like perfectly, and not many people knew exactly 96 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 5: what was going on except for the professionals that were 97 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 5: in there. I was very fortunate to have someone like 98 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 5: the Rock and John Cena and even Mike Yoda who 99 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 5: was the referee in there to kind of guide me 100 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 5: safely throughout the whole the whole time we were in there. 101 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: They know that you're not they like helped you through. 102 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically everyone was guided safely throughout this entire 103 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 5: thing and made sure that I was able to do 104 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 5: what I needed to do without the audience knowing because 105 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 5: we're live. This is the main event, right, you know, 106 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 5: And yeah, you're at the. 107 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 4: Super Bowl and you got to you don't want to leave. 108 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 5: And by the way, I don't have fifty two other 109 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 5: or fifty two people to rely on. 110 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 4: It's just me and the people that are in that ring. 111 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 5: So it's me, Sina Rock and Mike Kyota are the 112 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 5: only people that we can rely on, and obviously the 113 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 5: trainers and everyone and the doctors are all there and 114 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 5: everyone's making sure that I can get through that match 115 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 5: and go through what I need to do. But by 116 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 5: the way, it was at the end of the match, 117 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 5: so luckily it was kind of all over. 118 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 4: But I just remember going to the girl position. 119 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 5: I remember being back there being like, wow, I think 120 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 5: I messed up everything. And then I remember going back 121 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 5: to the trainer, everyone getting me okay. 122 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: I remember going back talking. 123 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 5: With my wife Maurice and just being like and she's 124 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 5: just like, you did great, you did great. But I 125 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 5: was like, not necessarily depressed, but it was like a god. 126 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 5: I remember the next day everything was just foggy, and 127 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 5: I was like, wow, like everything's just kind of foggy. 128 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 5: And but now, like I look at look back on it, 129 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 5: and I watched that match. It's hard to watch, but 130 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 5: it's like it went off without a hitch diat. 131 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: What's that? 132 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 3: Why is it hard to watch? 133 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 5: I don't know, you don't I don't like seeing my 134 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 5: self concussed to you. 135 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: Oh you you say in the end, okay at that. 136 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 4: Part, Okay, Yeah, maybe I'm. 137 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: Seeing myself locked out quite a bit. 138 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you originally got into to wrestle, right, what's 139 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: more taxing on you? 140 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 3: The developmental league for the big leagues. 141 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's so it's it's kind of interesting. 142 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 5: So I started in California a place called in El 143 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 5: Segondo called UPW Ultimate Pro Wrestling, and I paid like 144 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 5: twenty five hundred dollars to learn the art of professional wrestling, 145 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: and they taught me how how to do for the arts, 146 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: you know, what I have to do in the ring 147 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 5: to succeed. Finally, I got on a show called Tough Enough, 148 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 5: which was a reality show where you could win a 149 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 5: contract to WW. I didn't win, I got second place, 150 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 5: but I impressed the execs so much that they gave 151 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 5: me a contract to our developmental system, which was brand 152 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 5: new at the time called Deep South Wrestling. So I 153 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 5: went to McDonough, Georgia, moved from LA, packed up all 154 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 5: my stuff, moved to McDonagh, Georgia, and started training under 155 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 5: Bill DeMott. And I swear to you every day I 156 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 5: would go, one more day, you can do it, one 157 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 5: more day, you can do it, like because your body 158 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: is aching and there it's almost it almost felt like 159 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: they're trying to break you because they're preparing you for 160 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 5: what you have to get ready for to get into 161 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: Monday night Raw, Friday night SmackDown. 162 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: Is this guy in love with the business does he? 163 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 5: Is he here for the right reasons or is he 164 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 5: just here to be famous or money? And I'm a 165 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 5: guy off a reality show, so everyone expected me to 166 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 5: just be like, I'm here to be famous. 167 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: I don't love this business, but. 168 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 5: I did truly genuinely love the art of professional wrestling. 169 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: I've loved it since I was a child. I loved 170 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 5: the ultimate warrior, you know, PAULK. Hogan, Macho Man, Randy Savage, 171 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 5: like these were all my heroes, my idols growing up, 172 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: and so to be able to do what they were doing, 173 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 5: I wanted to put it full force. So going to 174 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 5: McDonough it was tough training, like very very tough. I 175 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 5: remember sweating, breathing heavy every day, thinking, man, should I 176 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 5: just quit? Should I just give up? I mean, can 177 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 5: my body take it? Can my mind take it? Mentally 178 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 5: and physically? 179 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: Can I do this? I don't know if I can. 180 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 5: And every day going one more day, you can do it, 181 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: one more day, you can do it, one more day, 182 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 5: you can do it. And so finally I was six 183 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 5: months there, I became the first ever Deep South Heavyweight champion, 184 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: and once I was there, one of the sayings that 185 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: they would say was if you can sell out in 186 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 5: I guess you could say the developmental system, because we'd 187 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 5: have shows every Thursday. We would have a show, and 188 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: if you could sell out this show, which is like 189 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: two three hundred people, then you go to the next territory. 190 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 5: And that's the old school way. There was territories everywhere, 191 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 5: and superstars would go from territory to territory to sell 192 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 5: out everywhere. If you could sell out everywhere, then you're 193 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 5: a bona fide worldwide superstar. So when I was World 194 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 5: Heavyweight Champion or Deep South Evyweight Champion, we were selling 195 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 5: out every show. 196 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: So then they moved me. 197 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 5: To Ohio Valley Wrestling in Louisville because I was there 198 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 5: for six months in Deep South, moved. 199 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: Me to Louisville, and so we went. 200 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 5: To Louisville, and it was tough because I was a 201 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 5: good guy at Deep South Wrestling. 202 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 4: I was a good guy and by the way, that's 203 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 4: all I knew. 204 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 5: So when I went to Ohio Valley Wrestling, they hated 205 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 5: me because I was this guy from real world and 206 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 5: it was a little bit. It was a different territory, 207 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 5: different audience, different people. So now I had to learn 208 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 5: how to utilize this audience like I did down at 209 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 5: Deep South. Because Deep South it was like, oh, it 210 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 5: just came to me. Now I actually had to really 211 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 5: work and try to figure out this audience. That's where 212 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 5: Paul Hayman came up to me and he goes, you 213 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 5: know why this isn't working? And I was like, nah, yeah, yeah, 214 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: and he goes, You're not a good guy, and I 215 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: go what do you mean. He goes, you're a heel, 216 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 5: which is a bad guy as a term for bad 217 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: guy in our world, and I. 218 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: Was like, I don't know. He goes, watch. 219 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 5: So Paul and I sat down and we came up 220 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: with a promo and I went out there and I 221 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 5: don't think I've been a good guy for the last 222 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 5: twenty years in WWE because of that moment, that one 223 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: moment where Paul was like, you're not. 224 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: A good guy, You're a bad guy. 225 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 5: And from there I went six months in Ohio Valley Wrestling. 226 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: We were selling out every night and they brought. 227 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 5: Me up to smack down as like the host, and 228 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 5: I didn't want to be a host. 229 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 4: I want to be like you know, I want. 230 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: To be a guy that puts asses in seats, you know, 231 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 5: I want to be the guy that people. 232 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: Paid tickets for. And a host. 233 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: Being the next Ryan Seacrests is not going to do 234 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 5: it in ww A credit Ryan Seacrests very talented person, 235 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 5: no doubt. 236 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: In my mind. 237 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 5: But I want to be like the biggest star in WWE, 238 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 5: not a host. But I figured if they can give 239 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 5: me a microphone, no problem. I can set myself up 240 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 5: and make sure that they want to punch me or 241 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 5: beat me up or do whatever to where they have 242 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 5: to get me in the ring. And that's exactly kind 243 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 5: of what happened. So you asked, like a long story short, 244 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 5: what's harder developmental or being in WWE. It's all tough 245 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: if you want to be a superstar in any sport, 246 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 5: in anything that you are doing. The developmental is very 247 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 5: difficult because you're trying to learn the process and your 248 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 5: brain is absorbing something brand new. 249 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 4: But once you're there and you know what you're doing, 250 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: you're still learning. And I'm still even twenty years to 251 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: this day, I'm still a sponge. I'm still absorbing everything 252 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: I learned from so many people. When you introduced me 253 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: to Sean. 254 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 5: McVay, and it was before he won the Super Bowl, 255 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 5: before when he first got a coach, you had him 256 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 5: working out with me and I was like, wow, this 257 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 5: guy is so young and he's the head coach of 258 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 5: the Los Angeles Rams. 259 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: I mean, this is crazy. 260 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 5: And then once I worked out with him, I was like, wow, 261 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: I will run through a wall with this guy like 262 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 5: this is this There's there's something special about him. And 263 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 5: so from that day I was learning. I took something 264 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 5: from that day and then sitting down with dinners that 265 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 5: you've that you've brought me to with him, talking to him, 266 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 5: having conversation with it, with him, his motivation, his dedication. 267 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 5: You could see the star power of why he is 268 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 5: a head coach and a successful head coach on who 269 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 5: he is because when you work at it, when you 270 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 5: work at your job, when you work at your profession, 271 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: and you keep working no matter what, and you're always learning, 272 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 5: always progressing and learning from everybody. 273 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 4: It's a tough question. It's the hardest. There's no hardest. 274 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 4: It's all hard if you want to be successful. 275 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: I got two. 276 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: Questions off of that before we do that we gotta 277 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: talk about the just real sign on here, the coincidence 278 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: of coincidences. I hope these two guys up to go 279 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 2: work out on breakables great place because everybody trains together. 280 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: I had John Lynch training with Sliced alone. I have 281 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: the you know, Rock is coming in there, going with 282 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: this person. 283 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: I meet you. You come to one of my parties, 284 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: right and I meet you for the first time. 285 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: You're like, come to my gym. You're gonna love it. 286 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 5: I'm like, ah, yeah, whatever. So I call you. I go, hey, 287 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 5: do you mind if I stop by? Yeah, sure, no problem. 288 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 5: I walk in. Sofessor Solon is sitting there just doing shrugs, 289 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 5: and I'm like, what is this place? 290 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 4: This is absolutely nuts. 291 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: Like every celebrity you could possibly think of is like there, 292 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 5: or athlete like Terrell Owens is there, like on the 293 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 5: running machine like slides over here doing shrugs. 294 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: You know you have you have Levano's kicking. 295 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 5: I'm like, what is this place? Like all all different 296 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 5: walks of life. It's not just sports, it's not music, 297 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 5: it's not just it's everything. And I was like, this 298 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: is the greatest gym I've ever seen in my entire life. 299 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: Because everyone was by the way, no one was a 300 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: superstar there. 301 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 5: Everyone was like it's almost like a family, and everyone 302 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 5: like kind of gelled together. And what the thing I 303 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 5: loved most about Unbreakable that what you did was the 304 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 5: merging vets and players. You would have all these veterans 305 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 5: come in on like a certain day. I think it 306 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 5: was like a Wednesday, and I'll never forget I'll never 307 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 5: forget Wit coming in And it was the first time 308 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 5: I ever met Wit Whitworth and uh, he had always 309 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 5: like he was he was talking to these these these 310 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 5: kids and all these people that were there were vets, 311 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 5: like there were kids, there were older people, and everyone 312 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 5: was just talking about their story and what they're dealing with. 313 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 4: And Wit was so honest and so. 314 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 5: So involved, and it was just it was a very cool, 315 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 5: just thing that that that I got to experience and 316 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 5: be there with and hear their stories and make me 317 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 5: appreciate our vets even more than I already did. 318 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: And I've been Diraq, I've been. 319 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 5: I've done shows, I've done tours with us, so but 320 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 5: to be in there in that gym and work out 321 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: with the veterans and you give them a place to. 322 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 4: Kind of open up and and kind of. 323 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 5: Tell their story and look at the support system that 324 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 5: they had. 325 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: It was unbelievable. 326 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: I appreciate that, bro. Yeah, and it looks it's not 327 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: a gym, it's a mental health place. 328 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: Right. 329 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: We're a community and we're. 330 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: A family, and especially it's a scarier world. But the 331 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: thing that I set him up with Chris jul And 332 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: who's a linebacker coach with the Rounds right now and 333 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: Sean McVay. Right, you guys start talking and you're like, hey, 334 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: whre'd you go to school? 335 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: Oh? 336 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: I went to Miamia Maha, right, and then I went 337 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 3: to Miamibleau. Where'd you go? You guys know you lived 338 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: in the same building. 339 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 5: Right, I know we lived in We lived in Sim's dorm. 340 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 5: And then not only that, Like I was like, do 341 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 5: you ever go to attractions? 342 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: Did you ever go to First Run? 343 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 5: And we were like stadium and we're like talking, Like 344 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 5: I was like, what is this? 345 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 4: This is crazy? 346 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: See if people I don't know that Missus Shavin went 347 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: to the same school, live in the same dorm. 348 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: People have no idea my lie. 349 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 4: Of Ohio, baby, my Moe of Ohio. 350 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: So how much were you getting paid? In the Developmental 351 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: League for a week. 352 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: Oh gosh. Ever then, yeah, back then, not much. I 353 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 4: mean you were getting paid. So I think, honestly, I 354 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 4: think from the real world. 355 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: So when I was on the Real World, and obviously 356 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 5: before I was in WWE, I was on a show 357 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: called The Real World, very popular show on MTV. I 358 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 5: did all the challenges, So I was winning these challenges. 359 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 5: So I was making quite a bit of money back then, 360 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 5: like I would make if you'd win a challenge, you'd 361 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 5: make like fifty grand. And then I would go do 362 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 5: college tours where I would get paid like anywhere from 363 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 5: fifteen hundred to three thousand dollars to do motivational speeches. 364 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 5: Now I didn't graduate from mine in Ohio, but Real 365 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 5: World is so much like college that colleges would pay 366 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 5: me to come motivate their students. 367 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: And I looked at it as a way to cut promos. 368 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 5: You know, learn how to cut promos, how do you 369 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 5: you know, hone my craft in a different way to 370 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 5: get an audience. And thousands of people would come and 371 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 5: you know, watch these speeches that I would do from 372 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 5: the schools. I went to every college you can think of. 373 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 5: It was crazy. And then I'd also do like I 374 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 5: get paid to go do host parties. 375 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 4: So I was getting paid a lot. 376 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 5: But then also I created a merchandise line where I 377 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 5: had T shirts because I saw that WWE, you know, 378 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 5: their superstars had T shirts, and I figured, well, if 379 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 5: they have T shirts, I'm going to make my own 380 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 5: T shirts and show that I can sell T shirts. 381 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 5: So I would wear these T shirts on the challenges 382 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 5: and then I would sell them. So if anyone ever 383 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 5: got a b MIS T shirt that was off my website, 384 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: then they were getting it from me. 385 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 4: Like I was stuffing these T shirts in and posting. 386 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 5: Them and taking them all to the to the post 387 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 5: office every single week. 388 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: It was. It was crazy. So I was making a 389 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: lot of money. I was making six figures. 390 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: When I got in developmental, I was I took a 391 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: pay cut because I wanted to. I said, I can 392 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 5: take a pay cut in this because I am. I 393 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 5: believe that I can make more, and so I invested 394 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 5: in myself. I've always invested in myself. Some people were like, 395 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 5: you know, oh, when I want to challenge my first challenge, 396 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 5: I moved to LA I paid for acting classes inprov 397 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 5: classes and learning the art of profession wrestling u PW 398 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 5: wrestling classes. 399 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: So and then I also was like, all. 400 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: Right, we're do all like the big world trainers Golds Gym. 401 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 5: So I was in Santa Monica at the time. This 402 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 5: was before Unbreakable, by the way, And so I was 403 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 5: in Santa Monica. 404 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: Where do you go the mecca? 405 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 5: You go to golds Gym, right, and so worked out there, 406 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 5: got a nutritionist. So I invested all my money that 407 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 5: I would make into myself. I bought all these T 408 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 5: shirts ahead of time and got them like three dollars 409 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 5: a T shirt and sold them for like fifteen bucks 410 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 5: a T shirt, and so I would make money off 411 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 5: of them. But it wasn't necessarily to make money. It 412 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 5: was necessary to promote myself and get people talking about 413 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: me and get to people talking about that. So ww'd 414 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 5: see that WVI did see that. They gave me a contract. 415 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 5: I took a pay cut, went to mcdonne a Georgia. 416 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 5: Then I went to Louisville, and then from Louisville, I 417 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 5: got like into WWE and started making the money that 418 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 5: I thought I could possibly make. 419 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: And I want people to hear the aults because the 420 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: secret to success is outwork in the world and being 421 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: miserable and broke and getting turned down and rejected for 422 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: years and years. 423 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 3: My first Super Bowl I covered nineteen ninety five. 424 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: The New York Post said, if you can get yourself 425 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: down there, we'll pay you two hundred and fifty dollars. 426 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: But I to write eight stories for two hundred fifty bucks. 427 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: And the New York One TV said, if you get 428 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: yourself down there, we'll give you one hundred and fifty 429 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: dollars for three hits from four hundred and fifty bucks total. 430 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: So I got myself down there, but I don't remember 431 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: how I get myself because I was making. 432 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: Nine grand a year during that time. 433 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: I was. 434 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 5: So I can tell you how you got down there, 435 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 5: and I don't even know the story. 436 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 4: I know you, Jay, So I got down the Emperor. 437 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 5: You're you're a people person, and you're just a likable 438 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 5: human being. 439 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: I appreciate, and I remember I got the plate. 440 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 5: You have an amazing ability to bring people together and 441 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 5: to unite people, and I've never seen anyone do it 442 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 5: as well as you. So when you say I don't know, 443 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 5: oh I got down there, I knew he tech. Now 444 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 5: you got down there, you met one guy this guy 445 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 5: was like, oh, let me introduce you to my buddy here. 446 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: Oh okay, I jay, I am saying, And all of 447 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: a sudden, there you. 448 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 5: Are on the floor or on the field, and and 449 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 5: how did I get there? 450 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 4: Because you're just a people person and that's what. 451 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 3: You got to do, right. But that's but my point 452 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: is it's the grind, Like you got to put that 453 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: grind in. I had to put that grind. 454 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: People nowadays they're like, oh my gosh, they're so in 455 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: the time because it doesn't happen for them. 456 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 3: Overnight. Shit does not happen overnight. 457 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: Min was eleven years worth, making nine thousand, fours and 458 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: fifty bucks a fucking year until I finally got a 459 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: job for fifty grand for CBS. 460 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 4: That was bleep. 461 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: But this again, I invested in myself. You invested in 462 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: yourself by deciding to outwork the world. The other question 463 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: I have for you as you realize that you're laying 464 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: a success is to be the heel. Okay, that is 465 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: such a rare trait. So I'm a sensitive Now. 466 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 4: Do you have a face like this? I have a 467 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 4: very coachable face. 468 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm sensitive. Shit like I broke, 469 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: you know, Look, I break the story. You know, I 470 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: remember that one year up broke. You know, Jive's gonna 471 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: trade O'Dell Beckham and I got murdered, and so did 472 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: every one of the followers. An unbreakable people just destroying, 473 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: like holy shit ball and I can't I've sent him. 474 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: I can't take you like that. How are you able 475 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: to like departmentalize and take the hate that you're making 476 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: sure you get. 477 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: There's a lot of people in you know, even in 478 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 5: WW right now that do not like getting hated on, 479 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 5: do not like getting booed. 480 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 4: They love the cheers. They live for the cheers. I 481 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 4: guess I'm different that way. 482 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: I've always been a button pusher, and so if I 483 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: see a button, I'm gonna push it. 484 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 4: And I enjoy the boot and I love the most 485 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: thank you, thank you. Yeah. Maybe I'm just I don't know. 486 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 5: Maybe I'm just confident with myself and my ability and 487 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 5: know that I am truly genuinely always doing right. I 488 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 5: feel like, but my character in WWE is a bad guy, egotistical, arrogant. 489 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 5: But there's a reason that he and I always think 490 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 5: about like mentally, all right, what's going on? In the 491 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 5: miss's brain, like the mis character in WW, why is 492 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 5: he acting the way he's acting? And the main reason 493 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 5: I always come up with is I never got the 494 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 5: respect I feel like I've ever deserved. And when I 495 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 5: walk out there and people are booing me, you shouldn't 496 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 5: be booing me, you should be booing the guy, like, 497 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 5: why are you booing me? When the guy across the 498 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 5: ring from me, my opponent, the person I'm going up against, 499 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 5: has done X, Y and Z, And whenever I do X, 500 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 5: Y and Z the same thing, you boo me, but 501 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 5: you cheer him. So this person can can do something 502 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 5: the same thing I do, and you cheer him, and 503 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 5: then I get booed. So that's all the mentality in there. 504 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 5: And I never take anything I guess too seriously and 505 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 5: it just doesn't bother me. I'll go on X and 506 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 5: I'll look at all the comments, just the hatred or 507 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 5: the misstucks. I can't stand him. He's nothing. It motivates me, 508 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 5: it feels my fire. Oh my god, you're there. 509 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: I heard somebody do my own social media. I can't 510 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: do it. I can't look at them nothing. I can't 511 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: do it. Really, yeah, Oh absolutely say. 512 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 5: I love the blaw I love the blogs, I love 513 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 5: the tweets or the axes, whatever you want to call them. Now, 514 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 5: like I enjoy reading all about the hatred and disdain. 515 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 5: And then whenever I find something that has really poked 516 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 5: the bear, I'll poke it even more and I'll find 517 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 5: more ammo for it in order ammunition, so they'll boo 518 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 5: me even more. 519 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 3: What about in public? 520 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 4: In public? 521 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 5: Honestly, people don't hate me in public. When I went 522 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 5: to say, when I went to the Browns game as 523 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 5: the dog Pound captain, everyone. 524 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 4: Was like, moos, moos, moos. 525 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 5: I love you, I love you on Dancing with the Stars, 526 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 5: I love you on miss and missus. Oh my god, 527 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 5: blah blah blah, like oh, you're the worst. You're the 528 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 5: worst in WWA. But it's so much fun to hate you, 529 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 5: you know, it's like, oh, thank you. It's more implements 530 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 5: than anything else. 531 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I'm not Yeah, I remember an accent. I've 532 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 3: never said that publicly, but I've broken the story. 533 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: When we're in Arizona, the Patriots are flying in to 534 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: play the Seahawks, and again they didn'thit the Baltimore Sea 535 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: on and I've reported that as Patriots trunk playing. I 536 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: reported that they found who they accused of Tampa with 537 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: the balls for the flay cake, and then they have 538 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: the video of it, and they got these guys and 539 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 2: you know all those videos and with the time they landed, well, man, 540 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: we're down there and all these Patriots fans are hating me, 541 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: and I'm. 542 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 3: Like, ah, no problem, just don't dude, don't touch me. 543 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: And twice someone grabby and I end up snatching two 544 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: Patriot fans in front of my bosses at Fox. I 545 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: was just like, hey, hey, hey, you can't touch me. 546 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: And then one celebrity came and jumped my shit over. 547 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: Now I'm not gonna say his fucking name, but I 548 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: was like, hey, you fucking play a tough guy on TV. 549 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: Let's not get a roles mixed up here. But that's 550 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: why I was like, And so these are football fans. 551 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: They go a little nuts. So you've never had a 552 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: wrestling fan take it too. 553 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 4: Far with you? Not yet. No, I've never had that 554 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 4: that happen. I've been very fortunate in that instance. 555 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 5: And I think our fans, they're very dedicated and very loyal. 556 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 5: I don't think our fans maybe they would do that, 557 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 5: but so far, I haven't had the experience of doing that. 558 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: Now. 559 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 5: Granted I have been in and you know overseas where 560 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 5: someone threw a drink that I don't believe was a 561 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 5: drink at me and so we got I've had things 562 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 5: thrown at me in the ring, but I always take 563 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 5: that as a compliment to be honest that I'm doing 564 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 5: my job, that you're hating me as much. So, but 565 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 5: I've never had anyone throw at me. But I also 566 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 5: don't like hang out at the bars at two and 567 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 5: two three o'clock in the morning waiting for someone to 568 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 5: like kind of eg get on. If someone is, you know, 569 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 5: all whoop, well whoop missus us blah blah blah blah blah, 570 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 5: like I'll just be like, you know what, yes, you can, 571 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 5: good job perfect. 572 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 4: Does that make you happy? If that makes you happy, then. 573 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 5: I'll just walk away because I'd rather I'd rather walk 574 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 5: away than then get a lawsuit from millions of dollars 575 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 5: because I elbowed someone in a mash fit or something 576 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 5: like that. 577 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 2: I don't know what motivates you to constantly throughout your 578 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 2: life reinvent yourself. 579 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 5: What motivates me to keep reinventing myself. I guess the 580 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 5: love of what I'm doing. I enjoy my job. People 581 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 5: are always like, you know, you're you're forty three years old, 582 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 5: you know, how are you How are you still going? 583 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: And how are you still doing this? How are you 584 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: still loving it? It's because when you love your job, 585 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: it's not a job. 586 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 5: And so I am always trying to always evolve and 587 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 5: figure out new ways to entertain. 588 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 4: And have fun. 589 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 5: It's like with WWE, it has such you know, it's 590 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 5: not just WWE in the ring. I mean, we have 591 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 5: shows now where it's like miss and Missus. 592 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 4: Now. 593 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 5: I have a production company that we're developing shows. So 594 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: my wife and I are developing shows for other people 595 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 5: as well as ourselves. We have a couple of things 596 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 5: on the horizon that I can't really discuss, but it's 597 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 5: been great. 598 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: You know. 599 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 5: We started Mad Road Productions a couple of years ago, 600 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: and people have been you know, lining up to like 601 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 5: work with us, and so that's kind of cool. Yeah, 602 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 5: that's it's one of those things like I guess it's 603 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 5: always been since I was a kid, you know, when 604 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 5: I was you know, working at Mister Hero flipping Burgers, 605 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 5: working for my dad Drop and fries. You know, you 606 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 5: wanted to do something better. So I went to college, 607 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 5: and once I got onto college, I saw that you 608 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 5: could try out for the real road. Once I tried 609 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 5: out for the real world, it changed my mindset that 610 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 5: I could act do what I wanted to do and 611 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: not do what go against the green. I guess you 612 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 5: could say because once you once you go to high school, 613 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 5: you get to college. After college, you go back to 614 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 5: where you're from. You do your job, which is, you know, 615 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 5: whatever it is that you set out to do in college. 616 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 5: But real world changed my whole perspective on that and said, 617 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 5: if you have dreams, you can pursue them. So once 618 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 5: I got the dreams, I found the tools that I 619 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 5: needed to pursue my dreams. There's different tools that you 620 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 5: need to gather all so you can build the right 621 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 5: career that you want. 622 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 4: And so that's exactly what I did. I worked my 623 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: butt off. 624 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 5: I progressed and progressed until I made it to the WWE, 625 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 5: utilizing real World to evolve into a WWE superstar. Then 626 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 5: going to WWE and evolving my character from you know 627 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 5: this reality star to the Hollywood A lister to oh 628 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 5: now he's got his own reality show. Now he's a 629 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 5: two time the only, like, the first ever two time 630 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 5: Grand Slam champion the history of WWE. It's not The Rock, 631 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 5: it's not Austin, it's not Hogan, it's not Sean Michaels, 632 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 5: it's not John Cena. I'm the first ever two time 633 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 5: Grand Slam champion in the history of WWE. And most 634 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 5: people wouldn't know that, but it's the truth, and it's 635 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 5: crazy to me. And so how do I keep evolving? 636 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 5: All Right, You've done everything there is to do in WWE, No, 637 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 5: I haven't. In my mind, I always want to be 638 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 5: number one. I always want to be the WWE Champion. 639 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 5: I always want to be the main event of Wrestlemanian. 640 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 5: If I'm not there, I'm working my butt off to 641 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 5: get there. And then how am I evolving from that? 642 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 5: I'm evolving outside of WWE, doing the reality shows, doing 643 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 5: the production company, doing the movies, doing the TV shows, 644 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 5: acting all these. 645 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 4: Other things like I have. 646 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I wrote I wrote a children's book 647 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 5: that I was like, oh, I have two kids, I'm 648 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 5: just going to write a book. And so every time 649 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 5: I was on the airplane flying to wherever, I would 650 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 5: just write this book, and so I wrote a book 651 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 5: and now we're doing the illustrations and trying to find 652 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 5: a publisher for it. 653 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 4: So it's like my mind is always going. 654 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: My mind is always trying to remain fresh and trying 655 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: to do exactly what I need to do to get 656 00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 5: to where I want to be. 657 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 4: And right now I'm very happy. 658 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: That's incredible. So first of all, as far as you 659 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 3: publish here, we'll talk off line here. I got people 660 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: before it. And then when you're in the ring is 661 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 3: what I love about. Like I was looking at you're 662 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: in a ring, you go on these tangents. Right when 663 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 3: I'm on TV, I. 664 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: Do minute and a half minute hits, minute and a 665 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: half hits, right, I don't use teleprompter when I was 666 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: hosted for like UFC, I have to use teleprompter for 667 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: sponsors in but otherwise I'm Fox and novels that I 668 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: don't have teleprompter and we don't really rehearse. But again 669 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: we're just going in little sports, you're going for like 670 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: three minutes, like you're. 671 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: Going long, long, long. Even when I'm doing doing ballers, 672 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: I wasn't following my fucking scripts. I got the ADHD. 673 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: I can't follow my scripts. What do you do when 674 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: you go in? Are you have you scripted it out 675 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: or do you just have bullet points you kind of 676 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: know where you're going? 677 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 4: How do you do it? 678 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 5: Okay, so you say three minutes, I just had, like 679 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 5: I don't know how long ago, but I just did 680 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 5: a segment. 681 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 4: Where I interviewed John Cena. 682 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 5: And you know how John Cena says, you can't see 683 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 5: you right, Well, John Cena wasn't there, but I interviewed 684 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: John Cena because you can't see him, but I can 685 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: because I've been able to see John Cena since I 686 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 5: beat him at WrestleMania. So I interviewed nothing and no 687 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 5: one for eight minutes and it was an It was an. 688 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 5: I even had a match with Air. I had a 689 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 5: match with Air with you can't see me John Cena, 690 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 5: I had a match with him put a skull crush 691 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 5: at finale. Like, how do I come up with these things? 692 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: Is beyond me? Obviously, it's a team in WWE. 693 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 5: You know, we have a lot of creative minds that 694 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 5: make sure that our show goes on without a hitch, 695 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 5: and to do something like that, to go out there 696 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 5: and literally have an interview with no one and make 697 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: it entertaining in front of and live. You only get 698 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 5: one take. And so do I memorize? I memorize a 699 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 5: certain portion of what I need to be memorized. But 700 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 5: a lot of times, and where you're out there, things change. 701 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 5: The audience isn't where they need to be. I need 702 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 5: the audience to be here to react a certain way. 703 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 5: If they're not reacting a certain way, I need to 704 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 5: figure out how to get them to react that way 705 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 5: to advance the story that I'm trying to portray and 706 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 5: to advance my character. 707 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 4: So, yes, I have bullet points. 708 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 5: Yes, I have a script in my mind of where 709 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 5: I want to go and what I want to do 710 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 5: and what I want to say, and I'll go over 711 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 5: it and rehearse and rehearse, rehearse in my head, And 712 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 5: a lot of times when I go out there, it 713 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 5: changes because you don't know what the audience is going 714 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 5: to do. 715 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: What do you rehearse it for half hour before? Do 716 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: you rehearse it for days? Do you rehearse it for no? 717 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 4: No, no, half hour before? Right, it's not days? 718 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Do you want to past somebody else's w W? What 719 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: your script is going to be. 720 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 5: Everything is run past like yeah, some of it, yes, 721 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 5: But whenever you go out there and it's live and 722 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 5: you have to change everything up, you can't go back 723 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 5: and say, hey, I'm going to try this. 724 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: You just kind of do it out there. 725 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: But you got to work beforehand and come in and say, okay, yeah, 726 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: here's where I want to go. It's not like you 727 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: just showing up like you know, no yeah, yeah, yeah, 728 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: I mean me and Brad Yeah, no, you can. 729 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 5: We have we have storylines in place, we have larger 730 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 5: than like characters. This is like you know, a soap 731 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 5: opera if you will, you know, and so we have 732 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 5: stories that we have to portray. So obviously, all right, 733 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 5: what's the story we're trying to tell? And how do 734 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 5: we get from A to B all the way to 735 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: where we need to go, which is usually our pinnacle 736 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 5: is a match? 737 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: Did they tell you this is a story we need 738 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: you to go with or do you say do you 739 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: try and sell it to them? 740 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: Hey, this is everything. 741 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 5: There's a lot of creative minds in this business where 742 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 5: everyone is trying to put forth the best shows possible. 743 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 5: So I'll put forth creative. Sometimes it's taken other times 744 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 5: it's not. And then sometimes it's given to me and 745 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 5: I'm like, uh, this is great, or I need to 746 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 5: work on this to make it great. 747 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: That kind of thing. 748 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the most impressive people and pro wrestling are. 749 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if you're allowed to say anything about this, 750 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: And obviously I have a love. 751 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: Friends for wrestling, but how how you Your referee is 752 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: like your director out there and you just can never 753 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: see it, like you never see that they're part of it. 754 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 4: Never you know. 755 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 5: They couldn't even see John Cena a couple of weeks ago, 756 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 5: so they can't see anything. That's the idea. That's why 757 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 5: we're professionals and do what we do. Everyone always says, 758 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 5: you know, I could do this. Anyone could do this. 759 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 5: And it's funny whenever we get whenever we get like 760 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 5: a sports figure or a celebrity, everyone always says, wow, 761 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 5: this is a lot harder than I thought. Wait, you 762 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 5: don't have teleprompters. Wait, you don't have que cards. Wait, 763 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 5: this is live. Wait we don't get to tape. No, 764 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 5: it's live, it's in your face, it's ready to go. 765 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 5: We don't get que cards, we don't get teleprompters. You 766 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 5: get one take and you're out there in front of 767 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 5: ten to twenty thousand people. If you're at WrestleMania, you're 768 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 5: front of ninety thousand. Like literally, George Kittle that day 769 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 5: learned how to do everything he needed to do during 770 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 5: that match. I had with Pat McAfee, like, so, you know, 771 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 5: for him to come out there, and yes, that was 772 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 5: his dream, yes, yes, And honestly, after he's done, after 773 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 5: he's done with the forty nine ers, like, I think 774 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 5: the dude could have a career if he wanted to. 775 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 5: You know, he's such an athlete, great brain. But if 776 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 5: he ever does that again, I'll have to put a 777 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 5: skull question. 778 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 4: Cannatly on. 779 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 3: I think you'd be perfect right there. 780 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: I think you could be your next Buck somebody you 781 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: bon it, no doubt he's born for something like that. 782 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 3: And it's natural too. Tittles hilarious, dude, if. 783 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: You're around, he's hilarious and he's not trying to be hilarious. 784 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: There's a couple of guys like that, Like Jared Allen 785 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: was like that. Tittle's like that too. He's not trying 786 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: to be hilarious. He's fucking just hilarious, and it's just 787 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 2: he'd be great for that. All right, listen, before I 788 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: let you go, I asked, all my my guess is 789 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: give me your unbreakable moment in life, like the one 790 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: moment that should have or could have broken you and didn't, 791 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: and as a result, you came out of the other 792 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 2: side of that tuttle stronger. 793 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of moments, you know. I 794 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 5: think the first moment is developmental. Developmental was very difficult 795 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 5: for me. And like I said before, when we were 796 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 5: talking every day and this isn't a lie, this is 797 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 5: absolute truth, I would get up my body was aching, 798 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 5: rump bumps and bruises inside outside, just absolutely aching. And 799 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 5: every day I'd wake up and say, one more day, 800 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 5: you could do this, one more day, you could do this. 801 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 4: That broke a lot of people. 802 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 5: I watched a lot of people walk in developmental and 803 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 5: walk right back out because they couldn't handle what it 804 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 5: took to become a WWE superstar. And then there was 805 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 5: a moment when I main evented WrestleMania, I lost the 806 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 5: WWE Championship, and then literally that entire year, I couldn't 807 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 5: win a match and I couldn't figure I was at 808 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 5: the top like, you you don't get higher than main 809 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 5: eventing WrestleMania and retaining the WWE Championship against the poster 810 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 5: child w WW at the time, John Cena with the 811 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 5: rock in there. 812 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 4: You don't get higher than that, right, So I lost 813 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 4: the title. 814 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 5: Then I started losing every single match, and by the 815 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 5: time we got back to WrestleMania, I was almost not 816 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 5: even on it. So I went from being the main 817 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 5: event of WrestleMania to the very next year. I was 818 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 5: like I was in a not a mid cup, but 819 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 5: it was like a middle match Team Johnny versus Team Teddy, 820 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 5: which I felt I was just thrown in there. Now, 821 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 5: granted I got the win, I got the w but 822 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 5: I just came off of main eventing WrestleMania, and the 823 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 5: very next year I was almost not even on WrestleMania, 824 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 5: like I was I was. 825 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 4: I was almost like poof gone, And it was very 826 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 4: embarrassing for me, and that. 827 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 5: Like what it happened, you know, I don't know what happened, 828 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 5: you know, it just kind of like steamrolled, like it 829 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 5: kept on tumbling. It was like a domino effect, like 830 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 5: there's one loss, there's two loss, there's three loss. And 831 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 5: I couldn't figure out how to maneuver myself to be 832 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 5: a top tier talent. And it took I would say, 833 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 5: six years of all of this, and your brain is 834 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 5: just doing numbers on you, and you're saying, am I 835 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 5: good enough? 836 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 4: Can I get back to where I was? What am 837 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 4: I doing? 838 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: Like? 839 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 4: What am I doing wrong? Like what am I figuring out? 840 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 5: And then it wasn't until a guy named aj Styles 841 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 5: came back and I had he was brand new to 842 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 5: ww A. Now he was a huge star everywhere else, 843 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 5: but in WWE it's just different. And so when he 844 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 5: came in, we started having a program together and it 845 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 5: elevated him and that was obviously our job is to 846 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 5: elevate him because he was he is now a huge 847 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 5: star and he was back then, but in WWE is 848 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 5: brand new, and I think we just elevated each other. 849 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 5: And I think everyone in the back saw that and 850 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 5: was like, WHOA, we need to we need to start 851 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 5: stepping up on the mizz And my brain was like, yeah, 852 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 5: we need to start stepping up, and I need to 853 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 5: start stepping up and I need to start realizing how 854 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 5: good I am, because I think sometimes you go into 855 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 5: when you start losing and you start going down a 856 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 5: tunnel that it's like, oh man, maybe I'm not good enough, 857 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 5: Maybe this isn't for me, maybe I should try something else, 858 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 5: And then you go, wait a second, there's something that 859 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 5: clicks and goes, nah, I'm good enough. 860 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 4: I'm better than good enough, I'm. 861 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 5: Number one, And then you start really figuring out what 862 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 5: you need to do to be a top tier talent. 863 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 4: And from then on, I've been going up, up, up, 864 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 4: in a way. 865 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 5: I could lose every match in WWA and it will 866 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 5: not matter because I am Teflon like you cannot. I'm 867 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 5: indestructible in WWE, And so now that's my mindset. Am 868 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 5: I am completely indestructible. I will make you believe whatever 869 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 5: I want you to believe when I want you to 870 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 5: believe it. And I'm good enough to have five star 871 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 5: matches each and every time, five star segments each and 872 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 5: every time. You can revolve an entire show around me, 873 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 5: or you can give me one minute. You better believe 874 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 5: you're gonna have moments that the fans will have for 875 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 5: the last rest of their life. And so that's where 876 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 5: I'm at today. Was I there when I got done 877 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 5: with WWE Championship in twenty eleven. Hell no, it took 878 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 5: a long time to develop that confident, to get that 879 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 5: confidence back when I was on the rise, getting and 880 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 5: I had the title in the WWE, I was I 881 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 5: was like, I'm the man, I'm great. But then once 882 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 5: you start going downhill and use that slippery slope, it's 883 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 5: like you always see those UFC fighters that lose. 884 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 4: That one match. They're on that that trajectory and then 885 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 4: they went and then all of a sudden, what happens 886 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 4: to them? Like, Yeah, and I've had that glass break. 887 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 5: And it took a long time to fit find all 888 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 5: the pieces to put it back together and make it. 889 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 5: Now it's a nice shiny glass you can see right 890 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 5: through and there's no cracks. And those cracks, by the way, 891 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 5: we're all learning moments, right And I want to keep 892 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 5: those scars. I want to keep those little pieces, if 893 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 5: you will, because they taught me what I need to 894 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 5: do and how I need to be and how need. 895 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 4: To conduct to myself in order to be where I 896 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 4: am today, which is I'm a proud father, a proud. 897 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 5: Husband, and I'm doing what I love in my job 898 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 5: and then even. 899 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 4: Outside I'm doing what I love. 900 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 5: And so I'm I feel like I'm very very happy 901 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 5: and in a great spot and just enjoying life. 902 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 2: Proof right there. Also, adversity is a gift, right fuck 903 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 2: self doubt. Self belief is everything, but adversity really, you know, 904 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 2: builds that self belief. 905 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 5: When you're in that downroof spiral and people are like 906 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 5: and and and people are are not necessarily ganging up 907 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 5: on you, but like telling you you suck and that 908 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 5: you have a choice whether you can believe what they 909 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 5: believe or you can believe what you believe what's deep 910 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 5: down in your heart. And so I always go, what 911 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 5: do I believe? What do I know in my heart? 912 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 5: I know I'm a good guy. I know I'm a 913 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 5: good person. I know I'm trying to do right by 914 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,240 Speaker 5: everyone and by everything, and sometimes my ways are different 915 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 5: than everybody else's. But in the end, I'm trying to 916 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 5: do what's right and do what's best for what I 917 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 5: feel like everyone that's involved in the party. 918 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 3: So thank you so much for joining me here. 919 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 4: Man, you know I haven't seen you in brou Yeah, buddy. 920 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: He moved away. I moved away. We're back there. We're 921 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 3: coming to your house, Rosie and I are coming to 922 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: your house. 923 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: Celebrate, love it all right, I love you, dude, game On, 924 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us here on the Unbreakable Podcast. 925 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 4: Thanks buddy, appreciate it.